You can't exercise proper Kung Fu in a sparring situation. It was created to incapacitate an opponent and you can't exactly jab/kick soft tissues and break joints when sparring. The rules limit the art. But if a bare knuckled thug attacks you on the street, Kung Fu is one of the more efficient martial arts you can learn. JJ can be effective, but KF can be lethal.
Remember, Kung Fu means "mastery through time and effort." Without those, no matter what you train, you will be weak.
"You can't exercise proper Kung Fu in a sparring situation. It was created to incapacitate an opponent and you can't exactly jab/kick soft tissues and break joints when sparring."
What 'soft tissues' are you referring to?
What joints and joint breaking techniques are you referring to?
Martial arts, or combat in general seems to be more psychological then physical. In terms of passing judgement, it would better make sense to judge the training method rather then the style itself. If a person is afraid of getting hit, with no experience in full contact sparring, then he will lose no matter the amount of time spent training. However it is also important to note that some styles do value full contact sparring more then others, such as Bjj. Though k-fu schools should follow suit.
@Xveldin so whoever said those shaolin monks cant be beaten , and thier kung fu can kil you are just too ashamed to admit that they actually cant, maybe they think thye can fight due to the fact that hollywood give them the misconception that they can. But by actual fact they cant period. KF is never for fighting. But i have to say sanda works, also not even one technique is kung fu, its more like chinese MMA,kick boxing where punches are form boxing,kicks TKD etc. whoever say its from KF
@Xveldin Yea kung fu means "skill earned through hardwork" they say you could be a "kung fu" master in coking, drawing etc. It actually means skil, the real term for kung fu i wushu, but now wushu is nothing more than bullshit performance art, coz mao zedong really killed/rapes it till it waters down to nothing but fancy flips etc, basically its ballet+gymnastics thats all. True about the part where hollywood made their own "MA" called kung fu. Kung fu is NEVER for fighting period man.
@Xveldin lol ok dude. First of all I have been practicing kung fu for many years. It is ment for combat. All the techniques I have learned are ancient forbidden techniques. They are called "forbidden" cause its a kill move. You cant use real kung fu in these staged fights cause well.. you cant kill the other person. I use kung fu to keep me healthy and just to know how to defend myself if i needed to. Every move I have either causes internal bleeding or death. I dont want to hurt other people.
@Xveldin and never kung fu. PRetty sad man, china is number 1 for being a copy cat , literally no originality and so forth. Hell , even sanda is not kung fu ,just a misture of others arts zzz. peace man see you , you made my day
@Xveldin not a sport its too deadly. Thats why the chinese government developd sanda to counter MT, and it did , well a bit lol, also most people ,even china chinese said that sanda IS china's MT, due to the fact that the similarity is there. You would also notice that the punches kicks from sanda is never kung fu, but most of them couldnt accept the fact and keep saying that its from knug fu. Its super obvious man, sanda punches are from boxing, kicks, TKD, etc. Its also called chinas MMA
@Xveldin againa like i said for soldierof fortunes comment , Ur shit true !!! damn kung fu IS for self cultivation nothing else, all who said its for fighting is pretty much bullshit, that watch tooooo much kung fu or should i say wushu movies lol, that will NEVER work in a fight period. That was the reason sanda was developed in the 80s, coz before that MT guys destroyed ALL kung fu even shaolin styles back in the 70s under no rules match. Most china chinese lost and they even said that MT is
@MechPhantom umm ok where did you see this "70's no rules match" where shaolin monks lost to MT? I would like to know. I beat a MT fighter very easily. If i can I am pretty sure most kung fu fighters can. Dude seriously your retarded if you think kung fu cannot beat most martial arts. I dont even know how to fight. I know how to destroy and kill. This is why I am forbidden to get into fights. You will never see a true kung fu fight. Like me everyone good is forbidden to fight.
i'm a student of shaolin kung fu and i DO agree that without knowledge of grappling, one doesn't have a complete arsenal. but there is a counterpoint that most BJJ/MMA practitioners are failing to address: in a street fight - i.e., concrete, rocks, etc., you ARE going to fuck yourself by shooting low at the knees. there are pros and cons to every martial art. it's just a matter of finding what you like, working hard, and not using it as a license to be a badass.
Nowdays, when people watch the UFC they don't realize a couple of things. One, gloves were added to make boxing more applicable and hence more entertaining. I worked some of the early UFC and people have no idea how many hands were broken. Second, fighters now are paid to strike and stay standing. They are offered bonuses for knockouts. Dana White knows most fans don't like technical groundfighting matches.
I started BJJ in the 80's when underground no rule challenge matches were still going on in peoples backyards. I saw a Kung fu guy try to gouge a BJJ mans eyes out. He had his ear bitten off while mounted. I saw another Hapkido guy try to break the fingers of a BJJ man and get his elbow snapped for it. Grapplers can play dirty too. As far as multiple opponent arguement, if you can't keep one guy from taking you down how will a you keep 6 from doing it? That arguement makes no sense.
@rodlpz How can you wrestle six guys to the ground to. What you said also makes your side of the argument have no sense on the multiple opponents part. Anyway, im not trying to make bjj look bad, I love bjj for its unique ground manuevers, but still, I think everybody has something to offer in their training, whether it's taekwondo, arnis, wushu, muay thai, pankration, vale tudo, bjj, ect.
@Jericho11894 No, actually not. I was a wrestler,a BJJ blackbelt, and a blackbelt in 3 striking styles. The argument against grappling often made by "strikers" is that grappling does not work in a multiple opponent situation. My answer to that was to tell them that if their striking skills can't keep me from taking them down how will they work that much better in keeping 6 people off of them? I once demonstrated to prison guards how basic football skills can overcome most striking styles.
@stupidkid915 The kung fu make excuses technique...If this were china WAA WAA WAA WAA.
IF kung fu guy were allowed to do his death touch WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
If kung fu guy had a gun he might have had a chance. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
The kung fu defence against multiple attackers is a myth like alot of kung fu techniques. Kung fu cant handle 1 guy what makes u believe he can handle 2? And as for ancient china if everyone had spear wouldn't BJJ guy have 1 2?
If you stay on your feet, at least you still have a chance of living :0 HAAAAAIIYAAAAAA!!
Chinese martial arts was not tested in the octagon for 30 years... but on the battle field for thousands. it wasnt a sport... back then bad martial artist where killed off... study the history...your theory is not complete... just the same self serving MMA theory which makes your own sport seem superior... no hard feelings but Waaaataaahhh!!!!!
@stupidkid915 Just read ur other replies...Whay the fuck do u care about what happened 300 years ago. It's the 21st century! All that Wushu crap is pretty but antiquated & usless now.
And as for TRAINING FOR MULTIPLE ATTACKERS I'll believe it when I see it...and I don't mean in a Jet li, Bruce Lee movie. Sure a BJJ guy Might get his ass kicked 2 on 1, but if u had ever been jumped u would know to grab 1 guy and take 1 of ur attackers w/ ur. BJJ would fair no better then a KUNG FU guy. KEEEYAA
originally I was just trying to say that BJJ(which is very effective strategy) cant be used with 2 people because if you roll on the ground with one of them it is dangerous the other person may kill you. I am not hating on BJJ and I did not mean to trigger your knee-jerk defense... which consists of attacking things that are different. But the truth is there are lots of strategies for dealing with 2 attackers but you have to stay moving... its just that simple no, movie gimmicks
@stupidkid915 And what I am trying to say is the "multiple attacker" senerio is the "EXCUSE DE JOUR" for arts that are totally nullified by BJJ. I know what I speak of because I was a VICTIM of the KARATE BS for years. for anyone 2 vs 1 is a losing proposition. certain veriables can work in the....Ah, fuck it. U are a true believer and will NEVER be swayed. The cult of kung fu is as dangerous as religious fanaticism. I hope u realize that bs does not work b4 u find out the HARD WAY.
If you read the old manuals from 300-500 years ago for Chinese soldiers, alot of the same techniques of shaolin now were the same back then, why would these still be around if it was not useful?... I love how people think that they have reinvented the wheel... I do not believe old myths of death touches like you are talking about... I know that if 1 on 1 sport fighting, that BJJ is great I have respect for BJJ... But... quit hating on everything else... arrogance is bad for you
@stupidkid915 They r around the same way BULLSHIT religious, medical, & paranormal ideas r still around: Dogma & they feed on peoples misinformation. Donnie Yen looks great on film kicking multiple ass, but come on! REALLY?! Ppl see that go to an instructor who probably has never been in a fight, believe the BS, & pass it on. Ignorance IS BAD 4 U!
BJJ has not reinvented anything just exposed the myth of martial arts. I luv how ppl dismiss bjj as a sport. Pick a fight w/ 1 and find out.
seems like you are used to talking to people who are in love with some movie fantasy... I am saying that these some kung fu arts like those in shaolin where used to fight to the death in warfars not fighting for fun for thousands of years... are you not hearing this? I dont get my info crouching tiger or ip man movies... did you know that there is this concept called history? and a long time ago people fought wars without guns? they used wushu to fight these wars... it not a myth
Mma. Ilove it but its onlya sport not very efective ina bar fight or a street fight jumping. I bet 80% of u guys commenting in here have never been in a damm street fight
Then you got to look at culture difference. I was at the hk harbour in tsimshashui it was martial arts demos from several different styles bjj being one of them after the first few techniques, out of 30 chinese ppl watching only 5 stayed to finish seeing the bjj demo.
They spar regularly if its a good kung fu school in hk. Its going to be hard for a major blow up in mma in hong kong or china because the government don't support it. The government supports Sanda which is mma without the ground work. MMA is dying in Japan also Japan was once the mecca for mma long before the ufc started they had pancrase ken shamrock had fights there before the first ufc.
@imKyurem Your comment demonstrates your level of understanding and maturity. If you train in martial arts I dare you to copy and paste your comment to your instructor, better yet your parents.
@imKyurem That's great. Much respect for Gracie BJJ. I'm merely saying look again at your comment and is that befitting a martial artist? Would your instructor condone such a comment?
This is more like mma vs sanda. Its obvious the bjj guy trained in striking also. Kung fu with gloves on u lose 80percent of the art. Me trained in kung fu judo/sambo some bjj. I also trained kung fu n hong kong. There is some terrible kung fu in hk that do no sparring! only forms n liondance its some that are legit though I was fortunate to train at a hardcore hk kungfu school
You guys and your excuses. I could grapple with you and stick to rule based combat, and let you break them, and still beat you. Stop relying on low percentage techniques and learn about grappling. And remember, when someone is mounting you and you go for their eyes, their dominant position is going to mean payback 10 fold.
Although I don't think the outcome would be too much different, it was unfair to the Kungfu Guy to be fighting someone so much taller. But then at the same time kungfu should prove size does not matter
@newbielives size doesnt matter, rule matters, I didnt see any eye stabbing, ear tearing, throat biting, finger bending, ball grabbing. and there are more things that wont let bjj survive a killing fight.
@alan513 I agree. My martial arts practically teaches me to maim or kill effectively, if that is what my attacker intends to do to me, no matter any hand to hand scenario.
bjj aint shit...this guy is the real deal. what you see here is real jiu jitsu, that originates from his country Japan. mma aint nothing but for american cameras. Asia is where you need to see true martial arts at its best.
@Cenon2007 WTF are you on about...of course i know how big pride is and its history you fucking wanka. it wasnt world wide until this decade maybe...not even that old world wide.
actually this is not fare for any kind of martial arts to fight with BJJ, the grove will cut down the power of fist. They allowed to lock the joints of body, then they should allow to hit the gonad and the eyes... So it is not a match, that is only a street fighting - talking about live or dead.
@robertinho102 bring bruce lee? bruce lee is the one who evolves martial arts, he basically 'invented' mma, we are not being idiots, believing in one system is not good enough, we must cross train. as a martial artist, you need 2 expand your knowledge
@robertinho102 Just because a (mostly fictional) movie was done about the guy, doesn't mean the real person could take on 10 men or a 250lb MMA champ...
This is really not the fight. The MMA guy is bigger, much more conditioned, better striker and a good grappler. The other guy is just a clueless guy with no real fighting discipline. He was lucky though, that the MMA guy doesn't want to hurt him and goes straight for the submission. He could have GnP as long as he wanted and would never lose the full mount.
Great job. I'm a KF guy with repect for B(JJ)'s ground game! He should have checked for your crossed ankles with his legs on your rear naked choke, but KF guys generally aren't used to neutralizing submissions.
why the heck the kung fu guy uses a chest and hand protectors against a grappler, it only stiffens his body and hands for any possible escapes from grasps, oh and it makes his punches to the body useless, is like limiting the BJJ guy to not using full submissions only trapping
@Elbottoo I'd fight the best Kung Fu master tomorow and win. It's a joke that Hollywood helped sell.
It doesn't work and the UFC has proved that time and time again. Look at the early UFC you fucking retard when there were no rules and where did Kung Fu finish? or any other stand up, mystic tiger power punch, special dragon move art? Oh yeah no where!
@brokerstar28 UFC, BJJ and MMA are the only jokes created by hollywood. In fact, mma is fking television entertainment. Why you speak and talk like as if you have any fighting experience or as if you are some sort of authority on fighting. Lmao you clean toilets for a living, so shut the fk up and start cleaning that toilet!! You are only allowed to watch mma after work, filthy maggot.
@Elbottoo, I fight 5 hours a day Monday through Friday, BJJ and many MMA styles are no joke, post a video of you going to a legitimate MMA gym and fight someone in your weight class, that has a year or two of experience, and I'll paypal you a thousand dollars.
@fcuk4220 Tough guys are definitely no joke. Check out the gym from time to time. Do you think some of the guys there are a joke. They just as tough as you, son.
Against shaolin monks youre still nothing but ants.
@Elbottoo Why the hell does someone always bring up shaolin monks in MMA/BJJ videos? When is the last time you met, let alone fought a shaolin monk on the streets of your city? You know who you fight, street punks or drunks. That is what BJJ is for, the streets. Try to fight someone who knows BJJ, even a white belt, and I assure you will be pulled back into reality with a hyperextended elbow.
kung fu guy should have used his CHI to block the negative energy of the grappler, but it probably wouldnt have helped with the bloodflow to your brain blocked and all that ;0
I took 5 Ancestors Fist, but its irrelevant. If Kung Fu was an effective striking art with "proper punches", than it would pretty much be Muay Thai or Western boxing since those punches/kicks have been proven to be most effective through science and fighting. I have no doubt a Kung Fu guy would do well against an untrained opponent. Anyone trained beats an untrained guy but the first UFCs, Vale Tudo, and Gracie challeges showed us what really works. MMA, Thai/boxing/grappling arts
@00SoldierofFortune00 Well have you ever seen choy lee fut? There punches are pretty close to western boxing what about sanda? Look up chung le he is a sanda/mma artist fighter. You lose the essence when you stop looking for new things to try. Look up san soo kung fu. If you still think kung fu is ineffective then your lacking in your arsenal of self defense. By the way do not think i do not appreciate mma but mma is not about any one style.
I think I took 5 fists or something like that, but its irrelevant. If Kung Fu was an effective striking art with "proper punches", than it would pretty much be Muay Thai or Western boxing since those punches/kicks have been proven to be most effective through science and fighting. I have no doubt a Kung Fu guy would do well against an untrained opponent. Anyone trained beats an untrained guy, but the first UFCs, Vale Tudo fights, and Gracie challeges showed us what really works.
Which kungfu r u referring too? Modern wushu kungfu, or traditional ones? Shaolin, esp. the southern, has more than 1.000 grappling techniques DESIGNED FOR WAR during the dynasty period. Very deadly! You couldn't find them in youtube coz of they're being kept secret. A year ago, my master had a challenge from a Korean juujitsu master. The result: he could defeat the Korean Master easily. I had to make sort of agreement not to teach the techniques to anyone and use it in life-death matter.
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The juijitsu guy is way much bigger than the other guy or whatever he is. And people please stop disrespecting kung fu with mma or juijitsu and shit alrite? If a kung fu master is allowed to do all the nasty attacks on a mma fighter, an mma guy would DIE. Like driving your fingers into ur adam's apple, gauging the eyes, neck strike, sternum strike and nut crunch lol!
If the Kung Fu guy couldn't even connect with a flush punch, do you really think he would be able to hit the BJJ guy's eyes with an eye gouge? And grab the adam's apple lol? Do you know how thick the neck of an adult male is? Let alone grabbing it. And even if he did manage to do any of those, he would be taken down (like he just was) and still submitted. You don't have to see to submit someone from the ground.
Yea, I'm the clueless one because I don't believe that judo chops, neck strikes, or grabbing an adam's apple, or eye gauging are effective tactics? Do you even practice MMA or a martial art? Those moves are totally unrealistic, hard to pull off, and with the adrenaline going through your body, pretty ineffective half of the time, especially from the ground. Come back when you have rolled on the ground with someone who knows what they are doing and tell me you would be in a position to do those.
Ummm, do you even know what an armbar is? Yea, try throwing a strike when you are mounted and see if you don't get armbared easily or triangled from the top. And if you can't even throw an effective jab or straight right, how do you expect to hit the collar bone or neck strike? Yea, try that on a boxer or muay thai practioner and tell me how much success you have.
Go practice some grappling at a legit school and tell me those are effective when someone is constantly advancing their position.
@00SoldierofFortune00 bjj is good for one on one. kung fu or striking arts is good for multiple attackers. they both have their good sides. its best to learn both.
Kung Fu is not a good striking art. Boxing/Muay Thai are and are good if you absolutely have to take on multiple opponents. If you take on multiple opponents, chances are you are already screwed. But Kung Fu doesn't teach you how to properly throw a punch/kick, how to properly block them, or even how to keep your hands up defending your chin (usually hands at the waist with Kung Fu). I've taken Kung Fu in the past, and I would take a 3 month boxer or Muay Thai guy over a year long Kung Fu guy.
@00SoldierofFortune00 hmm i disagree. i do wing chun, judo and bjj. i find wing chun (kung fu striking art) very effective. different kind of punching. simple kicks. great counters and blocks. definitely a good guard. and an art based on close range and sensitivity. every art has its good points man. it just depends how you're taught and how easily adapted your body is to it =)
i think muay thai is great, definitely traditional muay thai.
It maybe decent for self defense, but against other opponents who are trained, its not as effective as Muay Thai or Boxing because most TMA's like Wing Chun don't do full on sparring. The first UFC's proved that. A lot of those blocks from Wing Chun, TKD, and Karate aren't practical in an actual fight either. Not trying to bash or hate, but the simplicity or Muay Thai and Boxing coupled with the active sparring is what make them the most effective striking arts.
What martial art besides Muay Thai or Boxing teaches you to have your hands up to protect your chin? If Kung Fu/Wushu has that now, its because they took it from Western/Thai boxing like Bruce Lee did with Jeet Kune Do.
I might have to disagree with you. I once sparred with a quite old kung fu master from the phillipines. Now in all this I've been doing fighting arts all my life, BJJ, wrestling, Karate, Kickboxing and some just normal boxing. But this guy was so fast that strength didn't even matter. He caught my punch in mid air and threw the quickest lock on me I've ever seen. He then desribed to me how he could finish me, he also showed me how if he striked in certain areas it could create openings to vitals
tell me something 00SoldierofFortune00 exactly what kung fu did you take because I've seen kung fu that throw proper punches and strikes they may not be as good as muay thai or boxing but good enough to land on your opponent. There have been fights where kung fu beats muay thai and jujutsu so if you don't explain I'm gonna start swaering at you for your ignorance.
@00SoldierofFortune00 totally agreed, kung fu isnt really designed for multiple strikes though, the intention is to end the fight as quickly as possible with brutal blows to vital areas, like the nuts lol, when that doesnt work your fucked because any striking art that doesnt teach you how to keep your hands up is useless, your not gona ko the guy with one karate chop if he is prepared for it, hes gona hit back and if he finds your chin while your hands are at your waist the fight WILL be over
"Brutal blows to vital areas" means nothing really. The only place you need to aim for in a street fight is the chin or the liver. Everything else is irrelevant. A good punch on the chin will knockout your opponent and a liver shot will incapacitate him, allowing you to get out of there quickly. Eye/muscle gouging, nut shots, and trying to tear bodyparts do little damage at all. So much adrenaline is blowing that they won't feel it anyway. Watch UFC 4, Keith Hackney for example
@00SoldierofFortune00 you won't feel nut shots? There're collections of videos in youtube of UFC guys getting owned by nutshots.... but I suppose maybe they just ran out of adrenaline huh?
There is a difference between being hit by a high level striker with very accurate kicks compared to the average joe on the street or Kung Fu guy who kicks with the instep which doesn't even hurt nor do damage. A lot of the time, the cup rugs against them, so that's also why. You think you would stop a professional MMA fighter with a kick to the nuts in a street fight lol? They would keep coming since they aren't facing legitimate competition from an average/Kung Fu dude.
I agree that groin strikes are basically useless when fighting on the ground, but a groin strike from standing is a VERY effective technique. Maybe even more deadly than a punch to the jaw or shot to the liver.
The nut shot probably wont end the fight, but it will set up the ending of the fight if you follow it up with a KO or HEAVY liver shot....or takedown to mount etc etc.
cuz this guy sucks, in an actual street fight you can do anything.. no rules and no I know ground fighting also. but don't look down Kung Fu, it's punches are really deadly cuz a BJJ dude once tried getting me on the ground so I quickly hooked his nostrils and ripped them up next continuously smashing his hips and kidneys.
Ok BJJ is extremely effective.. I guess I was able to take on the fight cuz I know ground fighting as well, however learn both.. not about how hard you punch but where u punc
@zaikapasaica No shit. People like this guy in the video are only trying to disprove kung fu. However mma should be about whatever works not style. Style is a conformity be your own light and way. At least thats how i interpetate the whole mma debate.
@00SoldierofFortune00 Your statement would be correct had the Kung Fu guy ACTUALLY punched or eye jabbed. He didn't. He danced around and practically let Thomas close the gap. Thomas was not afraid of getting hit and it shows. So it isn't the fault of Kung Fu, it's the fighter. Don't blame Kung Fu. Turn the tables around and stick a K-1 level striker in there and I can almost guarantee Thomas would take some shots or worse case scenario, get TKOd.
@SkemeKOS "stand up styles are simply not enough to be an effective martial artist." <--- this video doesn't show that. it just shows that this BJJ person is good, and this KF is not as good. to really make this case, you guys need to show a champion KF guy vs equally skilled BJJ guy. btw Kung Fu is not a "stand up" style. Most martial arts styles teach grappling. I know that TKD does; I did TKD in high school. Google "tae kwon do grappling".
@SkemeKOS I'm saying that most real martial arts teach grappling. Kung Fu has grappling, Tae Kwon Do has grappling. That doesn't mean they teach that you should stay on the ground the whole time, or seek the ground.
@SkemeKOS , don't bother trying to reason with neutrino78x, this guy lives in martial arts Disneyland. I went back and forth with him for awhile to no avail, like talking to a bag of rocks only not as insightful. Good effort but you are more likely to convince a couple of nuns to get pregnant and then get abortions.
@SkemeKOS Those were some of the dumbest things ever said on youtube. Neutrino78x disqualifies himself as an expert while trying to prove his point, I would laugh if It wasn't so sad. I on the other hand did TKD for 15 years and Kung-Fu for 3, competing all over the U.S. When I was 26 I started BJJ and Muay Thai and realized what a waste of time those other arts were. I learned more about fighting in one year of BJJ then in 18 of the other stuff.
Yeah, I figured that out, too. However, I made a transition to Sanshou (Sanda) instead of jumping to a completely different martial art. I came to realize that Sanshou is an extremely effective combat sport. I don't know if you've ever heard or practiced it before. I highly recommend it.
Yeah, sanshou is great as it teaches you spar and actually fight against other trained fighters. Something that a lot of traditional martial arts lack.
@MechPhantom I loved Kung-Fu as well as TKD, but they just are not effective in the street. I wish they were because I put a lot of time into them, not to mention a ton of my parents money. When I was in college I took a job as a bouncer and found out how ineffective those styles were against your average drunk. I mean no disrespect to you or those martial arts, but I had to live in reality and didn't have the luxury to entertain the silly metaphysical nonsense of most arts.
@liorkle btw just asking what syle of kung fu did u learn? im just curious haha. Yea man these days kung fu are just tooo useless ,even shaolin kung fu, coz it heavily emphasises more on performing and doing fancy , cool ,breaking stuff that will never work in a fight. DOnt worry man , i too hate kung fu/shalin kung fu, coz like you said, form first hand experience i know what you mean, it sucks. I live in asia and i tend to agree. I have a fren who does kung fu and got his ass kicked ...
@liorkle soo bad that he almost died in a street fight in china. Thats why after that i never loked kung fu the same anymore, and thats why i strat to take krav maga which is fucking effective, too i wanna try BJJ coz it seems super effective and good, which can greatly increase my survival if i ever go down to the ground. Thank you man , really support what u said and everyone should see what uhv just typed. See you man thx , remember kung fu SUCKS ! haha
@00SoldierofFortune00 I do Kung Fu/Wu Shu and I also have some BJJ and Krav training, and those "eye gouge" arguments piss me off. In China, grappling skills (shuai jiao) were always essential for winning a fight on the lei tai, and that tradition lives on in modern sanda. That being said, Chinese martial arts lack ground fighting in the same sense as western wresting, Judo or BJJ since traditionally, going to the ground was always avoided by both fighters (even with their wrestling).
@00SoldierofFortune00 FUCKING TRUE MAN !!!!! thats why kung fu is never practical, even if they say it if , its too hard to be able to pull it off , and pretty unrealistic, coz your opponent will be moving around etc, and trying to escape if it ever connects. Kung fu techniques only works on wooden dummies and especailly in the movies thats all :D. U speak the truth man, u rock
kung fu looks great when shaolin monks do all crazy styles- but they have no ground game
- if you have no ground game you must learn to strike harder and fast for a striking style
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ATiRAGEPRO 1 week ago
You can't exercise proper Kung Fu in a sparring situation. It was created to incapacitate an opponent and you can't exactly jab/kick soft tissues and break joints when sparring. The rules limit the art. But if a bare knuckled thug attacks you on the street, Kung Fu is one of the more efficient martial arts you can learn. JJ can be effective, but KF can be lethal.
Remember, Kung Fu means "mastery through time and effort." Without those, no matter what you train, you will be weak.
thedj605 3 months ago
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"You can't exercise proper Kung Fu in a sparring situation. It was created to incapacitate an opponent and you can't exactly jab/kick soft tissues and break joints when sparring."
What 'soft tissues' are you referring to?
What joints and joint breaking techniques are you referring to?
"JJ can be effective, but KF can be lethal"
Are bjj chokes not lethal?
afreiden 3 months ago
Martial arts, or combat in general seems to be more psychological then physical. In terms of passing judgement, it would better make sense to judge the training method rather then the style itself. If a person is afraid of getting hit, with no experience in full contact sparring, then he will lose no matter the amount of time spent training. However it is also important to note that some styles do value full contact sparring more then others, such as Bjj. Though k-fu schools should follow suit.
themaliciousbasement 3 months ago
@Xveldin they are basically lying i guess. See you pal, nice talking to someone thats very intelligent and knows their stuff very well. see you man
MechPhantom 3 months ago
@Xveldin so whoever said those shaolin monks cant be beaten , and thier kung fu can kil you are just too ashamed to admit that they actually cant, maybe they think thye can fight due to the fact that hollywood give them the misconception that they can. But by actual fact they cant period. KF is never for fighting. But i have to say sanda works, also not even one technique is kung fu, its more like chinese MMA,kick boxing where punches are form boxing,kicks TKD etc. whoever say its from KF
MechPhantom 3 months ago
@Xveldin Yea kung fu means "skill earned through hardwork" they say you could be a "kung fu" master in coking, drawing etc. It actually means skil, the real term for kung fu i wushu, but now wushu is nothing more than bullshit performance art, coz mao zedong really killed/rapes it till it waters down to nothing but fancy flips etc, basically its ballet+gymnastics thats all. True about the part where hollywood made their own "MA" called kung fu. Kung fu is NEVER for fighting period man.
MechPhantom 3 months ago
@Xveldin who knows man what you said could be true all this while. But really kung fu is NEVER for fighting , period lol
MechPhantom 3 months ago
@Xveldin lol ok dude. First of all I have been practicing kung fu for many years. It is ment for combat. All the techniques I have learned are ancient forbidden techniques. They are called "forbidden" cause its a kill move. You cant use real kung fu in these staged fights cause well.. you cant kill the other person. I use kung fu to keep me healthy and just to know how to defend myself if i needed to. Every move I have either causes internal bleeding or death. I dont want to hurt other people.
rohitmd152 3 months ago
@Xveldin and never kung fu. PRetty sad man, china is number 1 for being a copy cat , literally no originality and so forth. Hell , even sanda is not kung fu ,just a misture of others arts zzz. peace man see you , you made my day
MechPhantom 4 months ago
@Xveldin not a sport its too deadly. Thats why the chinese government developd sanda to counter MT, and it did , well a bit lol, also most people ,even china chinese said that sanda IS china's MT, due to the fact that the similarity is there. You would also notice that the punches kicks from sanda is never kung fu, but most of them couldnt accept the fact and keep saying that its from knug fu. Its super obvious man, sanda punches are from boxing, kicks, TKD, etc. Its also called chinas MMA
MechPhantom 4 months ago
@Xveldin againa like i said for soldierof fortunes comment , Ur shit true !!! damn kung fu IS for self cultivation nothing else, all who said its for fighting is pretty much bullshit, that watch tooooo much kung fu or should i say wushu movies lol, that will NEVER work in a fight period. That was the reason sanda was developed in the 80s, coz before that MT guys destroyed ALL kung fu even shaolin styles back in the 70s under no rules match. Most china chinese lost and they even said that MT is
MechPhantom 4 months ago
@MechPhantom umm ok where did you see this "70's no rules match" where shaolin monks lost to MT? I would like to know. I beat a MT fighter very easily. If i can I am pretty sure most kung fu fighters can. Dude seriously your retarded if you think kung fu cannot beat most martial arts. I dont even know how to fight. I know how to destroy and kill. This is why I am forbidden to get into fights. You will never see a true kung fu fight. Like me everyone good is forbidden to fight.
rohitmd152 3 months ago
JAJAJA TKD is a JOKE
gargamel6699 4 months ago
its funny because white belts would have known what to do in those headlock situations
sharkfinnigan 5 months ago
leg over wrong side there for a second lol text book bjj
deanpool 6 months ago
very good technique.
dazzassj7 6 months ago
i'm a student of shaolin kung fu and i DO agree that without knowledge of grappling, one doesn't have a complete arsenal. but there is a counterpoint that most BJJ/MMA practitioners are failing to address: in a street fight - i.e., concrete, rocks, etc., you ARE going to fuck yourself by shooting low at the knees. there are pros and cons to every martial art. it's just a matter of finding what you like, working hard, and not using it as a license to be a badass.
defiantwon33 6 months ago
@defiantwon33 cool what does shaolin knug fu teaches you? and is it god for street? thx
MechPhantom 5 months ago
Nowdays, when people watch the UFC they don't realize a couple of things. One, gloves were added to make boxing more applicable and hence more entertaining. I worked some of the early UFC and people have no idea how many hands were broken. Second, fighters now are paid to strike and stay standing. They are offered bonuses for knockouts. Dana White knows most fans don't like technical groundfighting matches.
rodlpz 6 months ago
@rodlpz Fighters are also paid bonuses for submissions, genius.
thevidspot 6 months ago
@cfrancisco74
You are ON POINT!
lsloewen2 7 months ago
I started BJJ in the 80's when underground no rule challenge matches were still going on in peoples backyards. I saw a Kung fu guy try to gouge a BJJ mans eyes out. He had his ear bitten off while mounted. I saw another Hapkido guy try to break the fingers of a BJJ man and get his elbow snapped for it. Grapplers can play dirty too. As far as multiple opponent arguement, if you can't keep one guy from taking you down how will a you keep 6 from doing it? That arguement makes no sense.
rodlpz 7 months ago 5
@rodlpz How can you wrestle six guys to the ground to. What you said also makes your side of the argument have no sense on the multiple opponents part. Anyway, im not trying to make bjj look bad, I love bjj for its unique ground manuevers, but still, I think everybody has something to offer in their training, whether it's taekwondo, arnis, wushu, muay thai, pankration, vale tudo, bjj, ect.
Jericho11894 6 months ago
@Jericho11894 No, actually not. I was a wrestler,a BJJ blackbelt, and a blackbelt in 3 striking styles. The argument against grappling often made by "strikers" is that grappling does not work in a multiple opponent situation. My answer to that was to tell them that if their striking skills can't keep me from taking them down how will they work that much better in keeping 6 people off of them? I once demonstrated to prison guards how basic football skills can overcome most striking styles.
rodlpz 6 months ago
@rodlpz I think the kung fu guy's hair turns yellow and changes to that geezer in dragon ball Z when he is fighting 6 people. lol
juicespirit 5 months ago
AH! The ol' school yard classic: Head lock & hold on for ur life! Didn't know thta was a GUNG FU TECHNIQUE!
cfrancisco74 7 months ago
if there are 2 against 1.... BJJ cant grapple right? if it is ancient China and everyone has spears the ground fighter is skewered right?
stupidkid915 7 months ago
@stupidkid915 The kung fu make excuses technique...If this were china WAA WAA WAA WAA.
IF kung fu guy were allowed to do his death touch WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
If kung fu guy had a gun he might have had a chance. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
The kung fu defence against multiple attackers is a myth like alot of kung fu techniques. Kung fu cant handle 1 guy what makes u believe he can handle 2? And as for ancient china if everyone had spear wouldn't BJJ guy have 1 2?
cfrancisco74 7 months ago
@cfrancisco74
yes the BJJ person would also have a spear but he couldn't use it without studying Wushu... WHATAAAAH
I have seen street fighters with no training take on multiple attackers... Why do you think its a myth... WHOOOHHH
besides I just meant that you cant ground fight with 2 people you get your head stepped on or cut off
stupidkid915 7 months ago
@stupidkid915
Defending KUNG FU EXCUSE TECHNIQUE #1:
the secret to kicking a KUNG FU guys ass 2 on 1. JUST HAVE 1 GUY TAKE KUNGFU GUY DOWN.
Defending KUNG FU EXCUSE TECHNIQUE #2:
If a street fighter w/ no training can defeat multiple attackers THEN WHAT THE FUCK USE IS KUNG FU ANYWAY.
Defending KUNG FU EXCUSE TECHNIQUE #3:
GET CHOKED OUT! PLEASE & then talk to me about sports vs killing.
cfrancisco74 7 months ago
@cfrancisco74
If you stay on your feet, at least you still have a chance of living :0 HAAAAAIIYAAAAAA!!
Chinese martial arts was not tested in the octagon for 30 years... but on the battle field for thousands. it wasnt a sport... back then bad martial artist where killed off... study the history...your theory is not complete... just the same self serving MMA theory which makes your own sport seem superior... no hard feelings but Waaaataaahhh!!!!!
stupidkid915 7 months ago
@stupidkid915 Just read ur other replies...Whay the fuck do u care about what happened 300 years ago. It's the 21st century! All that Wushu crap is pretty but antiquated & usless now.
And as for TRAINING FOR MULTIPLE ATTACKERS I'll believe it when I see it...and I don't mean in a Jet li, Bruce Lee movie. Sure a BJJ guy Might get his ass kicked 2 on 1, but if u had ever been jumped u would know to grab 1 guy and take 1 of ur attackers w/ ur. BJJ would fair no better then a KUNG FU guy. KEEEYAA
cfrancisco74 7 months ago
@cfrancisco74
originally I was just trying to say that BJJ(which is very effective strategy) cant be used with 2 people because if you roll on the ground with one of them it is dangerous the other person may kill you. I am not hating on BJJ and I did not mean to trigger your knee-jerk defense... which consists of attacking things that are different. But the truth is there are lots of strategies for dealing with 2 attackers but you have to stay moving... its just that simple no, movie gimmicks
stupidkid915 7 months ago
@stupidkid915 And what I am trying to say is the "multiple attacker" senerio is the "EXCUSE DE JOUR" for arts that are totally nullified by BJJ. I know what I speak of because I was a VICTIM of the KARATE BS for years. for anyone 2 vs 1 is a losing proposition. certain veriables can work in the....Ah, fuck it. U are a true believer and will NEVER be swayed. The cult of kung fu is as dangerous as religious fanaticism. I hope u realize that bs does not work b4 u find out the HARD WAY.
cfrancisco74 7 months ago
@cfrancisco74
If you read the old manuals from 300-500 years ago for Chinese soldiers, alot of the same techniques of shaolin now were the same back then, why would these still be around if it was not useful?... I love how people think that they have reinvented the wheel... I do not believe old myths of death touches like you are talking about... I know that if 1 on 1 sport fighting, that BJJ is great I have respect for BJJ... But... quit hating on everything else... arrogance is bad for you
stupidkid915 7 months ago
@stupidkid915 They r around the same way BULLSHIT religious, medical, & paranormal ideas r still around: Dogma & they feed on peoples misinformation. Donnie Yen looks great on film kicking multiple ass, but come on! REALLY?! Ppl see that go to an instructor who probably has never been in a fight, believe the BS, & pass it on. Ignorance IS BAD 4 U!
BJJ has not reinvented anything just exposed the myth of martial arts. I luv how ppl dismiss bjj as a sport. Pick a fight w/ 1 and find out.
cfrancisco74 7 months ago
@cfrancisco74
seems like you are used to talking to people who are in love with some movie fantasy... I am saying that these some kung fu arts like those in shaolin where used to fight to the death in warfars not fighting for fun for thousands of years... are you not hearing this? I dont get my info crouching tiger or ip man movies... did you know that there is this concept called history? and a long time ago people fought wars without guns? they used wushu to fight these wars... it not a myth
stupidkid915 7 months ago
Mma. Ilove it but its onlya sport not very efective ina bar fight or a street fight jumping. I bet 80% of u guys commenting in here have never been in a damm street fight
lacedwith5hourenergy 7 months ago
Then you got to look at culture difference. I was at the hk harbour in tsimshashui it was martial arts demos from several different styles bjj being one of them after the first few techniques, out of 30 chinese ppl watching only 5 stayed to finish seeing the bjj demo.
jaffar1808 7 months ago
They spar regularly if its a good kung fu school in hk. Its going to be hard for a major blow up in mma in hong kong or china because the government don't support it. The government supports Sanda which is mma without the ground work. MMA is dying in Japan also Japan was once the mecca for mma long before the ufc started they had pancrase ken shamrock had fights there before the first ufc.
jaffar1808 7 months ago
BJJ CANT BE BEAT DO U UNDER STAND CHINK FANS????
imKyurem 7 months ago
@imKyurem Your comment demonstrates your level of understanding and maturity. If you train in martial arts I dare you to copy and paste your comment to your instructor, better yet your parents.
Tinhamodic 7 months ago
@Tinhamodic ok whoever u are i do bjj ok buddy Team Renzo Gracie
imKyurem 7 months ago
@imKyurem That's great. Much respect for Gracie BJJ. I'm merely saying look again at your comment and is that befitting a martial artist? Would your instructor condone such a comment?
Tinhamodic 7 months ago
@Tinhamodic mhmm
imKyurem 7 months ago
kung fu = joke
samcarr6 8 months ago
This is more like mma vs sanda. Its obvious the bjj guy trained in striking also. Kung fu with gloves on u lose 80percent of the art. Me trained in kung fu judo/sambo some bjj. I also trained kung fu n hong kong. There is some terrible kung fu in hk that do no sparring! only forms n liondance its some that are legit though I was fortunate to train at a hardcore hk kungfu school
jaffar1808 9 months ago
@jaffar1808
Did the hardcore kungfu school spar regulary and teach ground fighting?
Ive heard that MMA is getting big over in HK now.
SkemeKOS 7 months ago
You guys and your excuses. I could grapple with you and stick to rule based combat, and let you break them, and still beat you. Stop relying on low percentage techniques and learn about grappling. And remember, when someone is mounting you and you go for their eyes, their dominant position is going to mean payback 10 fold.
PutYourHeadOut 9 months ago 19
Although I don't think the outcome would be too much different, it was unfair to the Kungfu Guy to be fighting someone so much taller. But then at the same time kungfu should prove size does not matter
newbielives 10 months ago
@newbielives size doesnt matter, rule matters, I didnt see any eye stabbing, ear tearing, throat biting, finger bending, ball grabbing. and there are more things that wont let bjj survive a killing fight.
alan513 9 months ago
@alan513 I agree. My martial arts practically teaches me to maim or kill effectively, if that is what my attacker intends to do to me, no matter any hand to hand scenario.
OmegaEMAN 9 months ago
bjj aint shit...this guy is the real deal. what you see here is real jiu jitsu, that originates from his country Japan. mma aint nothing but for american cameras. Asia is where you need to see true martial arts at its best.
ilovemmamuaythaibox 10 months ago
@ilovemmamuaythaibox MMan aint nothing but for american cameras? Do you have any fucken clue how huge pride was world wide? ESPECIALLY in Japan.
Cenon2007 10 months ago
@Cenon2007 WTF are you on about...of course i know how big pride is and its history you fucking wanka. it wasnt world wide until this decade maybe...not even that old world wide.
ilovemmamuaythaibox 10 months ago
I luv how so many ppl talk shit on bjj and mma no matter how many times they beat all the other martial arts come on now ppl open ur eyes
marcusj53 10 months ago
actually this is not fare for any kind of martial arts to fight with BJJ, the grove will cut down the power of fist. They allowed to lock the joints of body, then they should allow to hit the gonad and the eyes... So it is not a match, that is only a street fighting - talking about live or dead.
imhim2000 11 months ago
bjj is jiujitsu or somthing diffrent ??
muslimintelidie 11 months ago
@muslimintelidie BJJ is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
jcube34 11 months ago
@jcube34
ahaa okay man thanx for the information =D
muslimintelidie 11 months ago
ip man we need you back..and beat those mma idots who think mma is all please..and bring with you bruce lee...
robertinho102 1 year ago
@robertinho102 bring bruce lee? bruce lee is the one who evolves martial arts, he basically 'invented' mma, we are not being idiots, believing in one system is not good enough, we must cross train. as a martial artist, you need 2 expand your knowledge
yuenj01 11 months ago
@robertinho102 Just because a (mostly fictional) movie was done about the guy, doesn't mean the real person could take on 10 men or a 250lb MMA champ...
SimKoning 11 months ago
@SimKoning well when you know where to hit is easy
robertinho102 11 months ago
This is really not the fight. The MMA guy is bigger, much more conditioned, better striker and a good grappler. The other guy is just a clueless guy with no real fighting discipline. He was lucky though, that the MMA guy doesn't want to hurt him and goes straight for the submission. He could have GnP as long as he wanted and would never lose the full mount.
kamhal89 1 year ago
Also, in addition to what I said on the first vid, the BJJ is even a better striker, total lopsided sport fight. Fuck that BS.
wiggalama 1 year ago
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LittleSumoKing 1 year ago
Did this guy go undefeated in China or something? Or did he only post the matches that he won?
dekal1 1 year ago
this is a mismatch BJJ guy must fight a Shanshou guy
23bilog23 1 year ago
Noone really realised the distinct weight advantage the BJJ guy has.
NeiLoMei 1 year ago
@NeiLoMei wouldnt matter. even if the guy was heavier than the bjj guy, he still doesnt know any bjj
GJJalltheway 1 year ago
Beautiful!
talon115 1 year ago
I think the kung-fu guy is a very bad fighter, because if he was not he would win.
nekoaure 1 year ago
@nekoaure
[sigh.....]
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
Its all Ring Fighting. Want to really test Chinese Martial arts? Go drop by Chen Village. Show me the video. Thanks.
dekal1 1 year ago
btw it is "don't have any" not "don't have no". English does not allow double negatives.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
He should go to a Sanda school and find someone his own weight.
megaman349 1 year ago
@megaman349 yep.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
It may be the most effective martial art, but god BJJ really really looks like you're trying to suck the other dude off, lol. Pretty gay.
RTSchofield 1 year ago
Great grappler, and poor KF guy.
Flavioxeneize 1 year ago
the MMA guy is like a python squeezing the living crap out of the kung fu dude.
lln003 1 year ago
廢人打廢人 ＝ ｇａｙ ｖｓ ｇａｙ
6043223022 1 year ago
hey why dont you post some video that showing you get beat up instead???
moneymaker822 1 year ago
Ha, he passed on the armbar because he already did one. Decided to choke him instead!
theshninja 1 year ago
What kung fu style is the non-BJJ supposed to be representing? Just curious.
MartialArts4Ever 1 year ago
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kamhal89 1 year ago
BJJ guy is monstrously in shape.
TransAmFSAS 1 year ago
lol x2
Crimewave9 1 year ago
this is why traditional schools need to modernize theyre art. even if they dont incorporate bjj they still need to teach cround and takedown defense.
kykiske05 1 year ago
Great job. I'm a KF guy with repect for B(JJ)'s ground game! He should have checked for your crossed ankles with his legs on your rear naked choke, but KF guys generally aren't used to neutralizing submissions.
JookLumFist 1 year ago 2
why the heck the kung fu guy uses a chest and hand protectors against a grappler, it only stiffens his body and hands for any possible escapes from grasps, oh and it makes his punches to the body useless, is like limiting the BJJ guy to not using full submissions only trapping
phiphers 1 year ago
lol BJJ...thats probably the weakest of all arts. No joke. Half you braindead MMA fanboys need to get a clue.
Elbottoo 1 year ago
@Elbottoo I'd fight the best Kung Fu master tomorow and win. It's a joke that Hollywood helped sell.
It doesn't work and the UFC has proved that time and time again. Look at the early UFC you fucking retard when there were no rules and where did Kung Fu finish? or any other stand up, mystic tiger power punch, special dragon move art? Oh yeah no where!
Point proved, over and over again!!!
brokerstar28 1 year ago
@brokerstar28 UFC, BJJ and MMA are the only jokes created by hollywood. In fact, mma is fking television entertainment. Why you speak and talk like as if you have any fighting experience or as if you are some sort of authority on fighting. Lmao you clean toilets for a living, so shut the fk up and start cleaning that toilet!! You are only allowed to watch mma after work, filthy maggot.
Elbottoo 1 year ago
@Elbottoo, I fight 5 hours a day Monday through Friday, BJJ and many MMA styles are no joke, post a video of you going to a legitimate MMA gym and fight someone in your weight class, that has a year or two of experience, and I'll paypal you a thousand dollars.
PS, you have to win too :p
fcuk4220 1 year ago
@fcuk4220 Tough guys are definitely no joke. Check out the gym from time to time. Do you think some of the guys there are a joke. They just as tough as you, son.
Against shaolin monks youre still nothing but ants.
Elbottoo 1 year ago
@Elbottoo Why the hell does someone always bring up shaolin monks in MMA/BJJ videos? When is the last time you met, let alone fought a shaolin monk on the streets of your city? You know who you fight, street punks or drunks. That is what BJJ is for, the streets. Try to fight someone who knows BJJ, even a white belt, and I assure you will be pulled back into reality with a hyperextended elbow.
ComradeGeneralK 1 year ago
@ComradeGeneralK
Yes agreed. I think a good 4 stripe white belt will beat most average black belts from any stand up art if they are a similar size.
As your BJJ gets higher up then size becomes much less important as Royce proved vs many bigger opponents from all other ('deadly') arts.
Good luck guys, hope you loose the helicopter kicks and mystical Chi
brokerstar28 1 year ago
@Elbottoo
southtxguitarist 1 year ago
"The same old story".
kokyjabn 1 year ago
every one just shut the fuck up and go suck Thomas Fan dick! is that cool!?
6043223022 1 year ago
kung fu guy should have used his CHI to block the negative energy of the grappler, but it probably wouldnt have helped with the bloodflow to your brain blocked and all that ;0
genjibob 1 year ago
@genjibob lmao
albertoxFTW 1 year ago
@genjibob haha maybe he must train more his CHI :p
pantherkursk 1 year ago
tapped out in 30 seconds, nice!!
zemnoz 1 year ago
kungfu sucks :p
pantherkursk 1 year ago
@pantherkursk it only sucks when lazy ass chee byes like you decide they cant be assed studying for more than 20 seconds :)
yulaw3 1 year ago
@SunWukong4
I took 5 Ancestors Fist, but its irrelevant. If Kung Fu was an effective striking art with "proper punches", than it would pretty much be Muay Thai or Western boxing since those punches/kicks have been proven to be most effective through science and fighting. I have no doubt a Kung Fu guy would do well against an untrained opponent. Anyone trained beats an untrained guy but the first UFCs, Vale Tudo, and Gracie challeges showed us what really works. MMA, Thai/boxing/grappling arts
00SoldierofFortune00 1 year ago
@00SoldierofFortune00 Well have you ever seen choy lee fut? There punches are pretty close to western boxing what about sanda? Look up chung le he is a sanda/mma artist fighter. You lose the essence when you stop looking for new things to try. Look up san soo kung fu. If you still think kung fu is ineffective then your lacking in your arsenal of self defense. By the way do not think i do not appreciate mma but mma is not about any one style.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@SunWukong4
I think I took 5 fists or something like that, but its irrelevant. If Kung Fu was an effective striking art with "proper punches", than it would pretty much be Muay Thai or Western boxing since those punches/kicks have been proven to be most effective through science and fighting. I have no doubt a Kung Fu guy would do well against an untrained opponent. Anyone trained beats an untrained guy, but the first UFCs, Vale Tudo fights, and Gracie challeges showed us what really works.
00SoldierofFortune00 1 year ago
bjj is god, accept it it beats all other Ms's 1v1
jJORDANx100 2 years ago
Da only way I c it beatin' other arts is if da other arts don't practice grappling.
Arts I'd like 2 c in a fight
BJJ vs Sambo
BJJ vs Kudo (formerly a style of karate)
BJJ vs Kajukenbo
Gauntlets 2 years ago
Which kungfu r u referring too? Modern wushu kungfu, or traditional ones? Shaolin, esp. the southern, has more than 1.000 grappling techniques DESIGNED FOR WAR during the dynasty period. Very deadly! You couldn't find them in youtube coz of they're being kept secret. A year ago, my master had a challenge from a Korean juujitsu master. The result: he could defeat the Korean Master easily. I had to make sort of agreement not to teach the techniques to anyone and use it in life-death matter.
waibaitui 2 years ago
i wonder if the juijitsu people are also from hong kong
risingsun08107 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The juijitsu guy is way much bigger than the other guy or whatever he is. And people please stop disrespecting kung fu with mma or juijitsu and shit alrite? If a kung fu master is allowed to do all the nasty attacks on a mma fighter, an mma guy would DIE. Like driving your fingers into ur adam's apple, gauging the eyes, neck strike, sternum strike and nut crunch lol!
Voodoofreak35 2 years ago
If the Kung Fu guy couldn't even connect with a flush punch, do you really think he would be able to hit the BJJ guy's eyes with an eye gouge? And grab the adam's apple lol? Do you know how thick the neck of an adult male is? Let alone grabbing it. And even if he did manage to do any of those, he would be taken down (like he just was) and still submitted. You don't have to see to submit someone from the ground.
You've seen way too many Kung Fu movies.
00SoldierofFortune00 2 years ago 55
you are so clueless you are funny
ElephantRage 2 years ago
Yea, I'm the clueless one because I don't believe that judo chops, neck strikes, or grabbing an adam's apple, or eye gauging are effective tactics? Do you even practice MMA or a martial art? Those moves are totally unrealistic, hard to pull off, and with the adrenaline going through your body, pretty ineffective half of the time, especially from the ground. Come back when you have rolled on the ground with someone who knows what they are doing and tell me you would be in a position to do those.
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Toyomata 2 years ago
Ummm, do you even know what an armbar is? Yea, try throwing a strike when you are mounted and see if you don't get armbared easily or triangled from the top. And if you can't even throw an effective jab or straight right, how do you expect to hit the collar bone or neck strike? Yea, try that on a boxer or muay thai practioner and tell me how much success you have.
Go practice some grappling at a legit school and tell me those are effective when someone is constantly advancing their position.
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Toyomata 2 years ago
@00SoldierofFortune00 bjj is good for one on one. kung fu or striking arts is good for multiple attackers. they both have their good sides. its best to learn both.
Belphybear 2 years ago
Kung Fu is not a good striking art. Boxing/Muay Thai are and are good if you absolutely have to take on multiple opponents. If you take on multiple opponents, chances are you are already screwed. But Kung Fu doesn't teach you how to properly throw a punch/kick, how to properly block them, or even how to keep your hands up defending your chin (usually hands at the waist with Kung Fu). I've taken Kung Fu in the past, and I would take a 3 month boxer or Muay Thai guy over a year long Kung Fu guy.
00SoldierofFortune00 2 years ago 6
@00SoldierofFortune00 hmm i disagree. i do wing chun, judo and bjj. i find wing chun (kung fu striking art) very effective. different kind of punching. simple kicks. great counters and blocks. definitely a good guard. and an art based on close range and sensitivity. every art has its good points man. it just depends how you're taught and how easily adapted your body is to it =)
i think muay thai is great, definitely traditional muay thai.
Belphybear 2 years ago
@Belphybear
It maybe decent for self defense, but against other opponents who are trained, its not as effective as Muay Thai or Boxing because most TMA's like Wing Chun don't do full on sparring. The first UFC's proved that. A lot of those blocks from Wing Chun, TKD, and Karate aren't practical in an actual fight either. Not trying to bash or hate, but the simplicity or Muay Thai and Boxing coupled with the active sparring is what make them the most effective striking arts.
00SoldierofFortune00 2 years ago
lol looks like you got ripped off if your kung fu taught you hands at waist.
mchug001 2 years ago
@mchug001
What martial art besides Muay Thai or Boxing teaches you to have your hands up to protect your chin? If Kung Fu/Wushu has that now, its because they took it from Western/Thai boxing like Bruce Lee did with Jeet Kune Do.
00SoldierofFortune00 2 years ago
I might have to disagree with you. I once sparred with a quite old kung fu master from the phillipines. Now in all this I've been doing fighting arts all my life, BJJ, wrestling, Karate, Kickboxing and some just normal boxing. But this guy was so fast that strength didn't even matter. He caught my punch in mid air and threw the quickest lock on me I've ever seen. He then desribed to me how he could finish me, he also showed me how if he striked in certain areas it could create openings to vitals
AudienceKiller66 2 years ago
tell me something 00SoldierofFortune00 exactly what kung fu did you take because I've seen kung fu that throw proper punches and strikes they may not be as good as muay thai or boxing but good enough to land on your opponent. There have been fights where kung fu beats muay thai and jujutsu so if you don't explain I'm gonna start swaering at you for your ignorance.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
@00SoldierofFortune00 totally agreed, kung fu isnt really designed for multiple strikes though, the intention is to end the fight as quickly as possible with brutal blows to vital areas, like the nuts lol, when that doesnt work your fucked because any striking art that doesnt teach you how to keep your hands up is useless, your not gona ko the guy with one karate chop if he is prepared for it, hes gona hit back and if he finds your chin while your hands are at your waist the fight WILL be over
sharkfinnigan 9 months ago
@sharkfinnigan
"Brutal blows to vital areas" means nothing really. The only place you need to aim for in a street fight is the chin or the liver. Everything else is irrelevant. A good punch on the chin will knockout your opponent and a liver shot will incapacitate him, allowing you to get out of there quickly. Eye/muscle gouging, nut shots, and trying to tear bodyparts do little damage at all. So much adrenaline is blowing that they won't feel it anyway. Watch UFC 4, Keith Hackney for example
00SoldierofFortune00 9 months ago
@00SoldierofFortune00 you won't feel nut shots? There're collections of videos in youtube of UFC guys getting owned by nutshots.... but I suppose maybe they just ran out of adrenaline huh?
importedinventions 8 months ago
@importedinventions
There is a difference between being hit by a high level striker with very accurate kicks compared to the average joe on the street or Kung Fu guy who kicks with the instep which doesn't even hurt nor do damage. A lot of the time, the cup rugs against them, so that's also why. You think you would stop a professional MMA fighter with a kick to the nuts in a street fight lol? They would keep coming since they aren't facing legitimate competition from an average/Kung Fu dude.
00SoldierofFortune00 8 months ago
@00SoldierofFortune00
I agree that groin strikes are basically useless when fighting on the ground, but a groin strike from standing is a VERY effective technique. Maybe even more deadly than a punch to the jaw or shot to the liver.
The nut shot probably wont end the fight, but it will set up the ending of the fight if you follow it up with a KO or HEAVY liver shot....or takedown to mount etc etc.
SkemeKOS 7 months ago
Just an honest to God question.
If a Kung Fu guy can't beat ONE BJJ practitioner, what makes you think he could beat multiple grapplers?
If ONE can take you to the ground, you think MANY can't?
No hostility, I just don't get the logic.
imitchellgill 2 years ago
it also depends on who is fighting who
some striking practitioners aren't advanced enough to stay standing up and are easily taken down.
thats why i learn bjj to also know how to stay standing. and judo.
although i know some practioners that are extrmely hard to takedown.
people generally learn striking arts to fight multiple amaeteur opponents. not advanced bjj fighters
Belphybear 2 years ago
@imitchellgill You cant argue logic with kung fu brainwashees. It really sucks, but its true.
jyakin 1 year ago
cuz this guy sucks, in an actual street fight you can do anything.. no rules and no I know ground fighting also. but don't look down Kung Fu, it's punches are really deadly cuz a BJJ dude once tried getting me on the ground so I quickly hooked his nostrils and ripped them up next continuously smashing his hips and kidneys.
Ok BJJ is extremely effective.. I guess I was able to take on the fight cuz I know ground fighting as well, however learn both.. not about how hard you punch but where u punc
zaikapasaica 1 year ago
@zaikapasaica No shit. People like this guy in the video are only trying to disprove kung fu. However mma should be about whatever works not style. Style is a conformity be your own light and way. At least thats how i interpetate the whole mma debate.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@00SoldierofFortune00 Your statement would be correct had the Kung Fu guy ACTUALLY punched or eye jabbed. He didn't. He danced around and practically let Thomas close the gap. Thomas was not afraid of getting hit and it shows. So it isn't the fault of Kung Fu, it's the fighter. Don't blame Kung Fu. Turn the tables around and stick a K-1 level striker in there and I can almost guarantee Thomas would take some shots or worse case scenario, get TKOd.
MikeUntstinks 1 year ago
@00SoldierofFortune00 Thats exactly what I always say! If you cant even hit the guy how are you going to use one of your "lethal" techniques??
joeyant24 1 year ago
@00SoldierofFortune00
exactly!
hes watched waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many kung fu movies.
these kind of guys dont have no sense of reality.
stand up styles are simply not enough to be an effective martial artist.
plain and simple.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS "stand up styles are simply not enough to be an effective martial artist." <--- this video doesn't show that. it just shows that this BJJ person is good, and this KF is not as good. to really make this case, you guys need to show a champion KF guy vs equally skilled BJJ guy. btw Kung Fu is not a "stand up" style. Most martial arts styles teach grappling. I know that TKD does; I did TKD in high school. Google "tae kwon do grappling".
neutrino78x 1 year ago
@neutrino78x
so basically youre agreeing with me.
ALL serious martial artists need to clued up grappling.
thanks.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS I'm saying that most real martial arts teach grappling. Kung Fu has grappling, Tae Kwon Do has grappling. That doesn't mean they teach that you should stay on the ground the whole time, or seek the ground.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
@neutrino78x
youre right...and its for those reasons why id pick a bjj fighter over a kung fu/tkd fighter.
kung fu and tkd are both awesome martial arts(as are most martial arts)
but i just prefer bjj, jkd muay thai, boxing etc etc as a complete style.
i do think kung fu and tkd have a lot of very useful techniques that can be used though.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS , don't bother trying to reason with neutrino78x, this guy lives in martial arts Disneyland. I went back and forth with him for awhile to no avail, like talking to a bag of rocks only not as insightful. Good effort but you are more likely to convince a couple of nuns to get pregnant and then get abortions.
liorkle 1 year ago 3
@liorkle
yeah, you should see the conversation we had on my BJJ vs video.
you should check it out on my page.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS Those were some of the dumbest things ever said on youtube. Neutrino78x disqualifies himself as an expert while trying to prove his point, I would laugh if It wasn't so sad. I on the other hand did TKD for 15 years and Kung-Fu for 3, competing all over the U.S. When I was 26 I started BJJ and Muay Thai and realized what a waste of time those other arts were. I learned more about fighting in one year of BJJ then in 18 of the other stuff.
liorkle 1 year ago 21
@liorkle
Yeah, I figured that out, too. However, I made a transition to Sanshou (Sanda) instead of jumping to a completely different martial art. I came to realize that Sanshou is an extremely effective combat sport. I don't know if you've ever heard or practiced it before. I highly recommend it.
ComputerJA 8 months ago
@ComputerJA
Yeah, sanshou is great as it teaches you spar and actually fight against other trained fighters. Something that a lot of traditional martial arts lack.
SkemeKOS 7 months ago
@liorkle what do you mean when u said "ealized what a waste of time those other arts were" do you mean kung fu?
MechPhantom 5 months ago
@MechPhantom I loved Kung-Fu as well as TKD, but they just are not effective in the street. I wish they were because I put a lot of time into them, not to mention a ton of my parents money. When I was in college I took a job as a bouncer and found out how ineffective those styles were against your average drunk. I mean no disrespect to you or those martial arts, but I had to live in reality and didn't have the luxury to entertain the silly metaphysical nonsense of most arts.
liorkle 5 months ago
@liorkle btw just asking what syle of kung fu did u learn? im just curious haha. Yea man these days kung fu are just tooo useless ,even shaolin kung fu, coz it heavily emphasises more on performing and doing fancy , cool ,breaking stuff that will never work in a fight. DOnt worry man , i too hate kung fu/shalin kung fu, coz like you said, form first hand experience i know what you mean, it sucks. I live in asia and i tend to agree. I have a fren who does kung fu and got his ass kicked ...
MechPhantom 5 months ago
@liorkle soo bad that he almost died in a street fight in china. Thats why after that i never loked kung fu the same anymore, and thats why i strat to take krav maga which is fucking effective, too i wanna try BJJ coz it seems super effective and good, which can greatly increase my survival if i ever go down to the ground. Thank you man , really support what u said and everyone should see what uhv just typed. See you man thx , remember kung fu SUCKS ! haha
MechPhantom 5 months ago
@00SoldierofFortune00 I do Kung Fu/Wu Shu and I also have some BJJ and Krav training, and those "eye gouge" arguments piss me off. In China, grappling skills (shuai jiao) were always essential for winning a fight on the lei tai, and that tradition lives on in modern sanda. That being said, Chinese martial arts lack ground fighting in the same sense as western wresting, Judo or BJJ since traditionally, going to the ground was always avoided by both fighters (even with their wrestling).
SimKoning 11 months ago
@00SoldierofFortune00
mmm.... once they are on the ground, they can bite, tear, and grab? bjj isn't the best for street self defence. Just saying.
Marshix 9 months ago
@Marshix how would u know ?
Royalgamer100 9 months ago
@Royalgamer100
Are you stupid?
Marshix 9 months ago
@Marshix No I'm not stupid why do you ask but anyway you still have not given an answer to my question I will ask again how do you know ?
Royalgamer100 9 months ago
@Royalgamer100
if you can't figure out why I came to the conclusion of my first comment you really are stupid.
Marshix 9 months ago
@00SoldierofFortune00 FUCKING TRUE MAN !!!!! thats why kung fu is never practical, even if they say it if , its too hard to be able to pull it off , and pretty unrealistic, coz your opponent will be moving around etc, and trying to escape if it ever connects. Kung fu techniques only works on wooden dummies and especailly in the movies thats all :D. U speak the truth man, u rock
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