Ah Ha! Proof of creation! This would be the serpent (snake) in Eden. Now, if the goddamned Evilushunists will stop hiding the fact that this snake has a larynx we can put the debate to rest. In your face, Science!
[part 4] (4.) Scientific Bias: At a national park in the USA, where there was the famous fossilized human footprints found inside of a dinosaurs (in a fossilized creek bed); Rangers were recently ordered to chisel it out. They claimed (along with scientists) it was causing a stir and was unscientific.
Oh okay.... so let me get this straight.... because it doesn't fit their narrow view of the world we are just going to destroy scientific evidence. Conspiracy much? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 That 4th one was a myth - you see, a foot is composed of bones call tarsal, metatarsal and phalanges and had some strange description in 1908. So, some of these track show trace of metatarsal... However, other "fossil" where simply sculpted by George Adam to make money in the 1930's, during the depression, and he put some human foot in these one by basing is fossil on old descriptions...
It's not science who destroyed evidence, it's the department of justice for fraud.
[part 3] (3.) Dating of rocks: Perdue University Scientists recently discovered solarflares and the suns distance from the Earth effects the decay rate of radioisotopes. I'm well aware this effect is minute but we do not know how violently explosive the sun was at it's origins. Also strange radiation from meteors (Siberia) may also have a faster decay rate. Furthermore, polonium halo rings, why are there deposits that shouldn't be there for the kind of radiation science said it was? Hmmmmmm.
To Mumbling: A atheist scientist once said that a beautiful garden doesn't have to be created by a designer. That maybe, but if the garden spells out 'Welcome to Victoria' in the flowers how can you deny intelligent design? This is shown in the structure of the cells and DNA. To much information, truly you can't say this is a accident?
You said," What war front? Whatever voice you are using to subvocalise what I type is clearly off base a little...." Well wether you realize it or not ,earlier on you did come across rather abrasive like you had a chip on your shoulder. But I too at times can be somewhat combative vocally, no hard feelings I hope? I'm working on that in my nature, we all have our little idiosyncrasies. I am glad to here there is no hostility in you. I am not angry either.
@MumblingMickey I said,"I think a lot of creation theories get shoved out of the way and labeled the lunatic fringe long before they are given a real chance" Your responce,"For example...???"
Well that's easy: The Shroud of Turin is one example. In that case, two very smart Christians (nonscientists like me) stumbled upon facts that altered the date of the shroud. They were labeled the lunatic fringe and they were found to be correct. The scientists dated the shroud incorrectly.
@MumblingMickey You said,"You think its accurate clearly and you offer the evidence of photos and a full on expedition to support it. Thats fine, excellent. NOW WHERE ARE THEY?"
*Well as I said before, read the valid news channels report. Also watch the videos on that site and watch the videos on National Geographic.
@MumblingMickey I said,"They did take pictures and showed them, ground and air."
Part of your responce was, "-So where are they again??? Again I don't seem to be able to find any or even references to them." Google Type in ancient secrets of the bible episode Noahs Ark.
Here is an even more recent expedition from just last year.
*Go to National Geographic's website type in: noahs ark found in turkey
*Go to Fox news type in: noahs ark found turkey-ararat
@MumblingMickey You said, "So Gods (plural) created women twice... (why a non reproducing species would need two sexes is beyond me) according to the bible that is!"
This statement is confusing. Go into more detail please, thank you. : )
@MumblingMickey you said,"-complexity in design does not require an intellect to design it." and "-Hydrogen is pretty simple... and so is oxygen... yet just those two elements form snowflakes. Without the advantage reproduction too! Do you see any intelligent design in snowflakes?" First off, human cells were once believed to be simple until advanced microscopes proved otherwise. Just because you can't see complexity under it 's current available magnification does mean it isn't complex.
You know, if the Creationist were smart, I know I know, they would jump on this with everything they had and say that the Bible was telling the truth about snakes having legs...
Please tell me I didn't just give them another argument, Son of a bitch!
@HimesInu "-Creationist-" Yes that would be me (I.E.- The Christian). Yea, I've been all over this subject of the 'snake with legs' for sometime now. They've attacked everything from my grammar to my IQ. Heck even the Science channel for goodness sake. Also official college text book writers. I've been blasted down and blasted again but my sub keeps resurfacing. Any way, hello Himeslnu nice to met you. Care to join the discussion? : )
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 The reason why you've been "blasted down and blasted again" is because you don't give any evidence more than "It's in the Bible." And I don't mean you personally, I mean Creationists generally. I won't attack your IQ, I may correct some grammar, but I deal with hard facts. And that's what most Creationists fail to do. Or when they have hard facts, it's debunked by science, and then they attack the science.
@HimesInu You said,"-Creationists-" "-When they have hard facts, it's debunked by science, and then they attack the science." Well for one thing, science todays views are often prejudice and scewed by their own personal bias. So just because it is debunked doesn't necessarily mean it is entirely untrue.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Alright. I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. Some Creationists, Kent Ham for instance, believe that the Earth was created 6000 years ago Well, science proved this to be wrong. That, in fact, the Earth was created 13 to 14 million years ago. There is no bias in that. Another favorite of Kent Ham is the ice comet. The problem with that, and you can find this in WDPLAC, not sure the episode, is the ice comet would have destroyed the Earth. No bias.
@HimesInu Himeslnu you said,"- the ice comet would have destroyed the Earth.-" Oddly enough on the Science Channel they showed that scientific theory (now believes) Earth more then likely had to have been hit by several small commits, in order to give us water; which is interesting.
"The size of the ice comet he was suggesting would have destroyed the earth."
Clearly basic Newtonian physics poses a problem for the literal translation of the bible too...who'd have thought it? Maybe someone should introduce creationists to the concept of force being equal to mass times acceleration. Or better still lets not waste our time...and just continue to point and laugh.
@HimesInu Kent Ham said,"Earth was created 6000 years ago." You said, "Well, science proved this to be wrong." The jury is still out on this one for me. There is several problems with believing the Earth is millions of years old. Science has measured time based on the distance of galaxies and the like from Earth, there is only one problem with this, how can you measure it when the speed is steadily increasing and you don't know the start speed from the Big Bang? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
[part 2] (2.) The fossil record: In the Grand Canyon a fossilized whale facing vertically was found. This whale went through every time layer. How can this be? The whale would have had to have stood on it's tail for billions of years to fossilize. We all know this is impossible, the top half would have rotted. Therefore it had to have been buried rapidly. This means the layers were created by very fast levels of sedimentry deposits; including animals of various weights, etc.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 WHere did you hear of this fossil? I ask simply because I put in a google search for it and the first page is completely made up of Kent Ham articles. And I'm sorry, but anything that man says should be put to the side. He uses no real scientific method. In fact, he tells people "to put on their Bible glasses" and forget science. Anyone who says that should not be believed.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 WHere did you hear of this fossil? I ask simply because I put in a google search for it and the first page is completely made up of Kent Ham articles. And I'm sorry, but anything that man says should be put to the side. He uses no real scientific method. In fact, he tells people "to put on their Bible glasses" and forget science. Anyone who says that should not be believed.
@MumblingMickey "no, complexity in design does not require an intellect to design it."- No amount of math, subatomic images can sway you, I can see that now. To each his own I guess.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 I have no information that demonstrates how life began. Neither do you!
However I do know even inorganic material can for self replicating devices and in fact I also know that polymers both organic and inorganic will self assemble into structures.
However this does not mean this is HOW what we call living organisms began. But it does show its pretty common. So common people like me are now required by law to carry out actions to prevent contamination of the environment.
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: [PART.V] - Dead Sea Scrolls 'The Complete Story' by Dr. Jonathan G. Campbell, Ulysses Press Berkeley, Ca copyright 1998
Archaeology in the Holy Land, 5th ed, by Kathleen M. Kenyon, Thomas Nelson Publisher Camden, New York copyright 1979
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 It's good that you read. Read the ones on this list if you want to learn why you believe what you believe: search "amazon essential readings in the cognitive science of religion". It is the first result on Google.
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "It's good that you read."- Thank you. : )
You, "Read the ones on this list if you want to learn why you believe what you believe: search "amazon essential readings in the cognitive science of religion. It is the first result on Google."- I'll do my best, I'm currently very busy with a lot of things including scrambling to get my book series to publisher and out on the market. However, if I do get some time I will see if I can squeeze the read in, thank you.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 I read Kenyons book.. shes a shit writer to be honest... I'm not knowcking her work...just her writing style...I'm positive her papers are easy to read... but as a book writer she really needs to hire someone else to do that.
@MumblingMickey I knew you would do this. Why are you now attacking how Kenyon grammatically writes? I thought the arguement was whether the information I read was intelligent? Also, what's up with the vulgarity (shes a sh*t writer)? * That was edited. Maybe my internet typing is crass but your language is far more.
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: [PART.IV] - The Unabridged Running Press Edition of the Classic *'Grays Anatomy' by Sir Benjamin Collins Brodie, Bart. copyright 1901/1974
*My sister gave it to me as a Christmas present, it was a hard read but it was truly an intriguingly amazing read. : )
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: [PART.III] -*The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language copyright 1979, American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc.
*Reason for reading it: To better get a grip on spelling to have a basic grasp on many things and to not lose sight of the old school definitions of words.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "o better get a grip on spelling to have a basic grasp on many things and to not lose sight of the old school definitions of words."
And then we totally fuck up all of that by using Microsoft Word and get lazy again... Bill Gates...he has a lot to answer for!
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: [PART. II] Modern Physical Geology 2nd ed By Graham R. Thompson University of Montana & Jonathan Turk, PhD, Saunders College Publishing, Harcourt Brace College Publishers, copyright 1997.
"Let's just say my novels have been years in the making".
Lets not say that... lets say you haven't sent jack shit to a publisher.... would I be right? Your grammar is crass my friend...and if you have never had anything published then you are not a novelist. What you mean is you'd like to be a novelist.
Well I'd like to be an astronaut. However since I'm not, and theres fuck all chance I ever will be, I don't go around telling everyone I am!
@MumblingMickey Look Mumble why do you feel the need to create this kind of war front? I never wanted this to be a hostile environment. Why do you feel the need to attack my grammar so I get defensive? I never claimed to be good at grammar. I merely claimed I was a writer who just so happens to be working on a novel series. Editors, school English tutors and my wife will help me work out the kinks, but don't tell me to keep my day job. If your incapable of not insulting me I'm done here.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 What war front? Whatever voice you are using to subvocalise what I type is clearly off base a little....
I talk like this... perhaps if you replaced the angry american atheist voice in your head with an Irish accent you might realise its not as confrontational as it reads.
All I'm asking you to do is stop making stupid statements you yourself can go off and find out are factually erroneous... and do that BEFORE making such statements.
Let me give you an anaolgy... you are sitting in front of 100 schoolchildren...they are all 4 years of age... you job is to tell them there is no santa... a hard job to be sure.
Each kid that realises the facts of the matter runs out crying or whatever.
After an hour you are left with 3 children...all of whom keep insisting there is a Santa...cos they seen the presents!
Now what sort of hope to you have in the future these kids have, clearly they ain't too bright!
@MumblingMickey You said,"-children...all of whom keep insisting there is a Santa...cos they seen the presents! Now what sort of hope to you have in the future these kids have, clearly they ain't too bright!"
If your trying to compare Christians to kids who believe in Santa that's very sad indeed. God is so much more then that.
@MumblingMickey "How could you have watched THIS video...and thought that it in any way promoted gods." - As I said before I don't recall which video of Don exodus it was. I watched to many of them. They all blurred together after a while. Perhaps I confused him with a fan using his title heading. Any way, I know now (and frankly have for sometime now known) he isn't a claiming Christian. Alright then, G R E A T so can we 'move on now' we are really beating that horse into the dirt? : )
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 I'm interested in getting my thesis published as a book. Who is your agent? I mean, as a novelist, you surely have an agent. Right? I'd also like to know which publishing house you work with? Maybe Master Books like Ray Comfort? Thanks.
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: *The Middle-East A History vol I & II 5th edition by Sydney Nettleton Fisher Late Professor of History The Ohio State University William Ochsenwald Professor of History Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University copyright 1979 *with contributions from nine prominent Islamic scholars (as source material) and twenty five other non Islamic scholars as well.
@MumblingMickey You said, "-your understanding and adaptiveness in language was coarse, uncouth, barbaric etc...My understanding of language is fine." Well I see you like to degrees back to drawing upon insults and your haughty, colorful college words. I'm frankly not going to bother to dabble in the slamming right now, I'm tired and have to go to bed. Good night. : )
@InTheImageOfDNA Job was anointed: from the aspect that he was anointed with blessings abundant and overflowing both on Earth and in the future in Heaven. So GOD was quite full of love even though in the suffering it didn't seem like it.
@InTheImageOfDNA Christian's however have a protective hedge around them of sorts: A guardian angel when it is needed, The Holy Spirit, the name of Jesus or a actual psychical guardian (a person) who GOD gave you to watch over you, etc. But even people of GOD can have bad things happen, read the Bible's book of JOB. But if you notice GOD provided ample blessing when Job passed the test. This doesn't mean GOD is cruel, on the contrary Job's children went to a better place & he was anointed.
Gen 3:14 the Lord God said onto the serpent, because thou has done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; UPON THY BELLY SHALT THOU GO, & DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE:.." The serpent (annunaki maybe??) did something other than slither (craw) before the intro of disorder (entropy) in other words, before the fall of man
@MumblingMickey You don't know how I can accuse you of poorly typed?
R E A L L Y? You said (and this is verbatim), "Its rteal simple too...so when I ask...where did the wine come from lot drank..." For one thing it's 'real' not rteal, second it's 'Lot' not lot. I thought University students new this grade school level grammar?
[Continued]- This logic of the non-Christian scientists can be found on the Science Channels program Sodom and Gomorrah. Which even they were forced to admit the Torahs story had some bases in fact after the evidence was compiled.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 The science channel is not science... the science channel is basically the same as a TV show that explains babies to 6 year old children...compared to a paper on human reproduction its not exactly what you might call accurate.
Do yourself a favor...go to your TV box and delete the science channel... or you mind will turn into a mushroom!
I deleted all that shit from my TV... I wouldn't allow that crap to plute my kids mind any more than the bible would.
@MumblingMickey You said, "You addressed no comments to me with any ideas of gaps...or even full on crevices!" PART I - Actually for your information it's on 'page 9' of this thread; not only that but I said it twice, ironically following your two post at the bottom of the page.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 For you...logged in as YOU its on page 9... but this site lists comments relative to the users login... it could be anywhere for me... Thats why your own comments always near the top.
Please quote the first three words of that comment so I can find it... But I already looked over three full pages listed by all comments...I found nothing.
@MumblingMickey You said, "You addressed no comments to me with any ideas of gaps...or even full on crevices!" PART II First off, it was a GENERAL PUBLIC STATEMENT MADE TO 'A L L'. Secondly, by your attitude you obviously thinking your sooooooooooooooooo vastly superior and yet you fail to notice a statement posted right after you write something. LOL hmmmm As Cpt Kirk would say, ***"I'm laughing at your superior intellect." ****(R O L L I N G on floor LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL).
Don't really have the time to read all comments on a channel page with 522 of them.... So if its not addressed to me then I'm sure it won't come as too great a surprise if I didn't bother to read that!
As you said it was AFTER a comment I made... fair enough... I don't read my own comments... I know what they contain... I wrote them!
So if you reply to this one...and don't address me...I'll never see that!
@MumblingMickey "Don't really have the time to read all comments on a channel page with 522." Umm news flash I haven't been posting that long, were NOT talking four weeks ago here. Try the day before yesterday. Nice try though.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Also. What attitude? Are you sub vocalising some sort of arrogant voice in your head as you read my comments.
Go right ahead. If it makes you feel better. Whatever floats your noahs boat.
I can't see being surprised at being called on bullshit. You should be well used to that by now. I'd say you could write one of those books you don't write on the mental deflation of being called on garbage.
I'll be happy to take up whatever part of your imagination you'd like.
@MumblingMickey "Also. What attitude? Are you sub vocalising some sort of arrogant voice in your head as you read my comments."- Are you for real? Can't you tell? Read your own posts to me and pretend your me. They come across as cocky, haughty sometimes and downright cruelly put. I never intended this to be a word battle but YOU kept slapping me in the face with your gauntlet. How is that bull. You need to take your head out of those books and take a class in ambassadorship, SERIOUSLY.
@InTheImageOfDNA You said,"A "novelist" that doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're." - It's called a EDITOR perhaps you've heard of one? Look it up in the dictionary. Oh wait by all your poorly typed blogs I guess you don't own one. HAH LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 JESUSRULES, since you are such an awesomely fierce wielder of the rapier of wit and reason, I'd like to read some of your "novels." Can you point me toward some of them?
@MumblingMickey InTheImageOfDNA " since you are such an awesomely fierce wielder of the rapier of wit and reason," "Meoooowww! snarl... I thought I was bad... you turn sarcasm often into a fine art."- Yeah okay whatever, yawn.
@MumblingMickey Actually the Bible has been shown in archeology to have historical facts in what it wrote. As I stated earlier Sodom city and Gomorah city were dug up by non Christian scientists. That is not a fallacy it is a fact. So how is it you feel I have nothing to stand on? I do have some science behind my words.
@MumblingMickey Actually the Bible has been shown in archeology to have historical facts in what it wrote. As I stated earlier Sodom city and Gomorah city were dug up by non Christian scientists. That is not a fallacy it is a fact. So how is it you feel I have nothing to stand on? I do have some science behind my words.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 The Lord of the Rings mentions dwarves and there really are midgets! Therefore, according to your reasoning, we should take J.R.R. Tolkien's writings literally! Good job!
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "Actually the Bible has been shown in archeology to have historical facts in what it wrote."
firstly can I just say for someone claiming to work as a writer your ability to express yourself in writing is uncouth. For one thing a statement can be factual and fallacious concurrently.
Yes I'm aware of Numeira, es-Safi, Feifeh and Khanazir, Bab edh-Dhra and Emar, all candidates that might match the description of Sodom / Gomorrah. None destroyed by fire and brimstone either!
COT. ~Particularly I might add the town of Sodm in Jordan... which is also a town that earned its living from local salt deposits... until of course the environment changed and the access to the salt dried up! At which point its economy collapsed. But it wasn't destroyed by fire an brimstone either... theres no evidence any of these towns were either attacked and destroyed...or fell victim to a natural disaster... and certainly no evidence they were destroyed by fire and brimstone.
CONT. And finally I'm not really sure how you define righteous... but any man that gets blind drunk and then impregnates both of his own virgin daughters after earlier promising them to a crowd of baying horny fuckers might be a lot of things... but 'righteous' would not be one of those things!
Are these the sort of morals you have decided you will live your life by? That if such an action by this man is righteous that its also okay for you to do the same perhaps?
@MumblingMickey "-And finally I'm not really sure how you define righteous... but any man that gets blind drunk and then impregnates both of his own virgin daughters-" Um that is N O T accurate at all. He was blind drunk yes, but his daughters clearly raped him in his weakened state. They thought they were the last people on Earth after the meteor disaster. What they did was a act of desperation, they knew he would not consent sober. How does that take away his righteousness.
Are you trying to tell me that in a hurry to escape from disaster this guy remembered to bring enough alcohol with him to get rat arsed two nights running?
Don't you see any discrepancies in these stories? You question the science so severely it must offer iron clad 100% evidence that you can also easily understand or you reject it. But you don't extend that requirement of proof to these stupid stories. Why not?
@MumblingMickey "Are you trying to tell me that in a hurry to escape from disaster this guy remembered to bring enough alcohol with him to get rat arsed two nights running?"- If the world was occupied by: Wicked, perverted, violence and you just heard the place you lived was going to be destroyed and you had no place to go but a cave; bringing plenty of alcohol to get plastered drunk is typical human behavior when people loose hope. If you don't believe that just look at the homeless and Noah.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 " If the world was occupied by: Wicked, perverted, violence and you just heard the place you lived was going to be destroyed etc. etc..."
Yeah there are too many IF's in there... way too many to include enough bronze age wine to get stinking drunk on two nights in a row...and not a screed of evidence to back the IF's up either.
And no... I think I'd have more important things to be bringing with me than a crate of crappy bronze age wine! So would you.
@MumblingMickey You said about Lot, "And no... I think I'd have more important things to be bringing with me than a crate of crappy bronze age wine! So would you."- True, I probably wouldn't have ether but he came from a city full of corruption. His daughters were saved (I imagine) because GOD knew Lot would never go without his whole family. But that doesn't mean they were innocent, Lot offered them to the rioters; a sign of loss of innocence. They brought the wine for their dark purpose.
@MumblingMickey You said, "Why would they think they were the last people on earth?" - Well obviously they would still have within them the history of Noah's flood. The fact that the sky appears to be falling and everything around you is being destroyed; it's NOT a big jump to realize the emotions of a woman would be terrified this was the end. Even the atheist scientist researching non-religious historical texts agreed this was a logical conclusion to the women's behavior, assuming it true.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Will you for fucks sake at least read the bible before you make such statements... you are denying the findings of science...and the greatest minds on the earth... at the same time you are making crazy assumptions that aren't in the bible at all...Where did they obtain this wine? pop down to the local corner shop did they?
You are going on about 'its not a big jump' but it it is if you jump all the time...from one thing to another!
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Right lets try this another way... in fact lets try it YOUR way...and you'll like this... you are used to it...
From here on in...we'll apply the same requirement for evidence to the bible... that you apply to science...
Is that fair?
You apply this requirement to science.. and you have a tendency to ignore stuff you can't answer without addressing it.. So lets see how the bible stands up to YOUR requirement for evidence.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Its rteal simple too...so when I ask...where did the wine come from lot drank... you have no evidence of anything... so you say 'I don't know'...theres nothing wrong with not knowing... its just information you don't have.
@MumblingMickey You said,"Sodom / Gomorrah. None destroyed by fire and brimstone either!"- WHAT IN THE FREAK KIND OF DRUGS ARE YOU ON? First off, it was the SCIENCE channel that aired it and yes they confirmed that a meteor exploded over Europe, sent meteor rock all over including the site of the cities. Second, the blast caused a ice age from the sun blotting out. This same meteor rock was discovered in core samples in glaciers. This was atheist scientists NOT gibberish.
I also find it very interesting that you know the religious persuasion of scientists depicted on the science channel. Was there a banner at the bottom that introduced them with the heading 'Atheist Scientist' or something?
The last glacial maximum was 20k years ago, this is an interglacial period...the last ice age ended 12k years ago! These towns were in the bronze age... just 3k years ago... and no magic short ice ages since then!
@MumblingMickey -"I also find it very interesting that you know the religious persuasion of scientists depicted on the science channel."- It's what they say not what they profess, like calling the Bible a myth. How is that not a obvious statement of lack of faith?
@MumblingMickey You said, "These towns were in the bronze age... just 3k years ago... and no magic short ice ages since then!" 3,ooo years ago? Where did you learn math? 3000 BC + 2011 AD = 5011 years ago.
@MumblingMickey You said, "The last glacial maximum was 20k years ago, this is an interglacial period...the last ice age ended 12k years ago!"- Heh don't look at me, they were the ones drawing the core samples.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 If you are referring to the supposed asteroid impact hypothesis in 3k bc. the problem is that it would only show an asteroid impact destroyed some towns.
You should take a look at what Russian herders think was 'foretold' about Tunguska. Funnily enough all these Tunguska prophecies came about AFTER the event. And its never just asteroids. Its always angry gods.
No doubt if there was one tomorrow you'd be there ready to needlessly pen god into the equation.
@MumblingMickey You said, "- it would only show an asteroid impact destroyed some towns." Actually, they found a map mosaic buried for thousands of years beneath the floor of a old church. It had been lost to man. It pin pointed the precise location of Sodom, Gomorrah and Zoar. When they dug there they discovered two
bronze age cities. Stunningly similar to the proximity and descriptive in the Torah.
@MumblingMickey You said, "If you are referring to the supposed asteroid impact hypothesis in 3k bc." Yes it was in the 3000's, 3,125 BC to be exact (according to there dating).
@MumblingMickey "You should take a look at what Russian herders think was 'foretold' about Tunguska."- Well sure, people who are prone to pagan demi-gods often connect acts of nature to there god or gods, as do all religions. I do not deny this. But that doesn't mean something didn't occur. It just means they tried to rationalize it.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 CONT. But as it turns out none of these towns have any detritus that wasn't on the earth before during and after they fell to rack and ruin.... Asteroids on the other hand would leave detritus that could be tracked back to an off earth source... and there isn't any!
I suggest you take the matter up with the 'atheist scientists' on the science channel... or just delete the science channel before you brain slips out of your nasal cavity!
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Next the bible also states that Egyptians existed... I have no problem with that... they did... other books and civilizations not only commented... but many got clobbered by them. The bible also states for example that Herod was the governor of Judea... again thats accurate... and others... including the romans confirm it.
But Lord of the rings states that elves exist and so does bread..... Since it got the bread bit right ...clearly there are also elves...yes?
@MumblingMickey WOW. You are just such a wonderful individual it just makes me so thrilled to be alive (heavy sarcasm). Actually the Bible has been proven to have historical accuracy: including the recent Sodom city found and the Gomorah city found, I could go on and on in archeoligical non Christian science digs. No I'm not um home schooled.
@MumblingMickey as for the ants thing: God say that he reveals Himself through nature so that man is without excuse. Donexodus understands this. If you don't have any respect for what I have to say then listen to his evidence for the existence of GOD.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Yes you see there you go again... God didn't say that.. unless you've just been talking to god on the phone and have the recording ready for us...
the BIBLE said that god said it... thats not god saying it... thats a book telling you that the primary character said it!
Now you can now go on to say... but that character is a real character in the universe... and then I'll say... fine...with the exception of the bible... how do you know? Wheres the evidence?
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 To start with Donexodus is atheistic...?!?!? So erm... clearly you are doing some very weird interpretation of what he says there...and his evidence of God would be the same as yours and everyone else's... none at all.
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But erm... yeah.... donexodus's evidence of god.... lol....I think you'd need to lift him off the floor after he pisses himself laughing if he ever reads that!
@MumblingMickey Watched the video: ''Why I'm no longer a Christian' apparently your correct Mumble. Guess I misunderstood, he must of meant he used to be. Well not truly though since he says he never really was into it (in so many words).
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "Watched the video: ''Why I'm no longer a Christian-" Actually I did before you had to tell me to. Oh my.... I guess I CAN research information after all. Why don't you two research the phrase brood of vipers. If I had anything to say about it, your two pictures would be right next to it.
@InTheImageOfDNA Man stop ripping the piss out of him... you, I and he all know hes not a writer...
Yeah he is funny...and uneducated... but he's never going to learn jack shit about anything if every time he meets up with people that have an education they rip the shit out of him no holds barred.
I just told him his language was coarse and left it at that... From that point on he'll be more precise with language... and thats the objective I'd suppose...
@MumblingMickey Yeah, I'm constantly torn on PR techniques with skepticism. I have no delusions about it's direct and immediate effectiveness. (I'm aware of the "The BackFire Effect" where people cling to beliefs more strongly in the face of direct refutation.) However, being proved stupidly wrong when I was in my late teens about religion eventually led to my current perspective. It is anecdotal, but it is evidence that it at least works in some individuals. Not that it will work here...
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "However, being proved stupidly wrong when I was in my late teens about religion eventually led to my current perspective." How were you proved stupidly wrong about religion InTheImage?
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "How were you proved stupidly wrong about religion InTheImage?" (I don't mean this answer as a smart-ass retort but rather I am serious.) I was proved wrong by critical thinking and reality. Fundamentalism and interventionist theology is demonstrably false to anyone who thinks critically.
@InTheImageOfDNA Thanks for keeping your responses less abrasive. May be we can actually have a decent conversation here with out firing insults back and forth.
@MumblingMickey As for the blond joke and saying stupid things: I may not have worded or thought through some of what I was trying to get across (at certain points early on in this thread), but that does not change the fact that the GOD of Abraham is real which only the Holy Spirit can open your eyes and show you.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 To give you an example: most examples of "answered prayer" (which would be "interventionist theology") commit 4 separate examples of fallacious reasoning.
1) ad hoc attribution. "Answered prayers" never differ from naturalistic chains of events.
2) confirmation bias. Answered prayers "hits" are counted but unanswered "misses" are discounted or forgotten.
3) selection bias. Jesus prayers count but identical claims for Ganesh and Allah prayers don't count.
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "1) Prayers never differ from naturalistic chains of events."- My mom one day prayed for me on my way home from Jr. Hi. that I'd be kept safe. My friend and I had just bought jolly ranchers at the local 7-11 store. We were within 3 feet of walking by a telephone pole. A 'still small voice' in my head said, "Don't you want to go back and get a big gulp?" I asked my friend if he heard a voice in his head. He told me a voice told him to go back and get a big gulp.
@InTheImageOfDNA (7-11 story continued) PART II- So we shrugged our shoulders and walked 3 feet back towards the 7-11 store. Just at that very moment a car blew it's tire, swerved out of control and hit the telephone pole. If we had gone 3 feet forward instead of 3 feet backwards I probably wouldn't be alive today to be typing this to you. That car would have crushed us. That was 'GOD' or one of His angels watching over us. Prayers to Jesus GOD's son 'DO' work and the Supernatural IS real.
4) "Answered prayers" are a great distillation of the problem of evil. (I heard that a healed broken leg after 2 weeks was "divine" just a few days ago.) Every instance I hear claimed is usually something medical. And with a U.S. citizen that means that "God" chose to "help" someone in a rich country with medical care with a relatively trifling problem.
Meanwhile thousands of children starved to death in Africa.
That is what is logically entailed by what you believe.
@InTheImageOfDNA You can't believe every lunatic out there. There is lost of wolves in sheep's clothing, tares (weeds) in the wheat field; in other words FAKE Christians. The Bible says they were planted there by the enemy. Their purpose to do exactly what your believing, to make Christian look like: LUNATICS, psycho paths, murders, rapists, child molesters, etc. Jesus said you would know a TRUE Christian by their fruit (their deeds there works). Your med reference is the lunatic fringe.
@InTheImageOfDNA On the other hand, there is cases were people were told they had less then one month to live from a cancer tumor and through prayers to Jesus it went absolute away. It didn't even show up on any medical equipment after two weeks. It was for all intensive purposes completely gone, a absolute miracle. All the doctors were flabbergasted and simply couldn't believe it. This in fact is quite common among Christians. There are countless testimonies of miracles just like this one.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "there is cases were people were told they had less then one month to live from a cancer tumor and through prayers to Jesus it went absolute away."
The statistical incidence of those are no greater or lesser than either any other religion...or in nations that are entirely atheistic and had no prayer.
And there have been studies done on prayer...by Christian organisations too. Lots of them... you should look those up!
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "Meanwhile thousands of children starved to death in Africa."- Starving children in Africa is largely do to a highly unstable region. There are tons of greedy waring factions that help to create poverty in the region. This is the evilness of man's heart and Hell's cruelty. Don't blame GOD for that.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 " Starving children in Africa is largely do to a highly unstable region."
So what? Cancer in the west is primarily due to lifestyle and age.
But pointing to 'unstable region' is pointless since the question is not ...'why are they starving?'
The question is... 'why don't THEIR prayers work?'
So why don't their prayers work? Most African Christians are also biblical literalists too! So forget about why they are starving...why are their prayers ignored?
@MumblingMickey "The question is... 'why don't THEIR prayer work? Most African Christians are also biblical literalists too! So forget about why they are starving...why are their prayers ignored?" I don't think you can wood peg them all in the same hole. God is a personal God each one is handled individually. To truly understand, one would have to know each ones story. If they are true Christians sometimes they maybe given over to trials like Job in the Bible. God has not abandon them.
@InTheImageOfDNA Until Jesus returns for His children there will always be evil running rampant. The god of this world Satan controls this world, do not be surprised when you see suffering. GOD has to permit this. This is known as permissive will. He must let life run it's coarse otherwise we would all be like robots being controlled, with NO FREE WILL. Now that said, as for the unbelievers there is 'NO PROTECTIVE HEDGE' so naturally evil can do whatever it likes, thus what you are seeing.
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "OK JesusRules. You go ahead with your life. Don't try rationality though because it might kill you." It depends what you call rational. If you mean to say I came from a ape I beg to differ. If you said the Earth is 3.5 billion years old I'd say, "Cool, no sweet." If you said ape man evolved I'd say I agree but I don't believe we are of that origin. I believe there were two: one in the image of a beast (ape man) one in the image of GOD, thus the fossil record.
@InTheImageOfDNA Well you said yourself you were religious at one point... I never was btw, Until I was 8 years old I thought all adults were just trying to pull my leg, I couldn't believe they actually thought this crap was real!
I have recently been viewing these 'deconversion' vids... and all ex religious people seem to share one thing. They worked it out for themselves. Yes NEW information helped... but they decided to apply the same logic to Gods as they do everything else by themselves.
@InTheImageOfDNAYou said, "I have a paper on just this topic published over at the Secular Web: "Why Religion is Persuasive."- I got a better one: Why is Christianity is persuasive? It's called GOD.
@MumblingMickey You said, "I just told him his language was coarse and left it at that..." The word 'coarse' dictionary definitions: (1.) common, inferior [wow NAZI much?] (2) Lacking delicacy and refinement [Oh and you are refined I suppose mister potty mouth?]
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Actually I'll correct myself... the word I used was 'uncouth'.. which is basically unrefined, barbaric...etc.... and I pointed out where your understanding and adaptiveness in language was coarse, uncouth, barbaric etc. Remember?
My understanding of language is fine. Yes I use expletives. That does not mean I am not adroit in grammatical or semantic skills.
Now not to put too fine a point on it... but you are taking a certain amount of rope here and hanging yourself.
CONT. As I used t constantly inform my kids when they knew no better... Do not draw unnecessary attention to your weak areas.
Yet here you are picking a fight regarding semantics and language skills.
For fucks sake take a look at the comments above.... then sit back and ask yourself... 'If I have a faining here...do I really want to draw yet more attention to it?' It is often wiser to stay quiet and have others think you a fool, than to open your mouth removing all doubt!
@MumblingMickey You said, "It is often wiser to stay quiet and have others think you a fool, than to open your mouth removing all doubt!"- That's from Proverbs. Hmmmm trying to use my own Torah against me now? Now your starting to sound like Satan.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Satan... you think I'm now some other crazy demon or something... are you living in a friggin cloud? What are you talking about?... thats WHY I PUT IT IN THERE!
So let me get this straight... if I ignore the bible... I'm Satan... and if I quote FROM the bible...I'm also Satan...
Do you think that people who are atheistic have never read the bible?
Pew research have recently compiled results of who knows more about religion... look it up!
@MumblingMickey You said,"-if I quote FROM the bible...I'm-" "-Satan..."
No... I was saying you 'sounded like' Satan in that perticular instance. This is because he used the same technique in the book of Genesis by qouting verses but it misrepresented the facts. NO I don't believe your Satan.
@MumblingMickey You said,"-if I ignore the bible... I'm Satan..."
The bible verse states anything that denies that Jesus is the son of God is of the spirit of the Anti Christ. This is a GENERALITY and NOT LITERALLY saying YOU are the Anti Christ. It simply means you hold to the demonic doctrine of the enemy. In other words, you preach Jesus is not the son of God. In fact you even go so far as to say there is no God. But again NO I do not believe your Satan or the Anti christ.
How could you have watched THIS video...and thought that it in any way promoted gods, goblins or anything else... thats what you need to ask yourself... The line in the description was a second clue... and the title doesn't help either does it?
[scratches head as if he's just realised hes talking to a custard donut]
APOSTACY PART II- Matthew 7;20-21 "-so then you will know them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of Heaven." (Many have called Jesus Lord but knew Him not.) Just because you used to be supposedly Christian DOES NOT MEAN you were truly saved. It just means you acted upon religious rituals, went to church and read the Bible. Your very dialog is a testament to that. It's THE HEART that MUST BELIEVE and the tongue that confesses.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 This idea of saying 'OR' followed by something you have no evidence of is to be honest pretty dumb. We know ants can't talk. I can prove that but we can both accept I don't need to. We know they communicate using chemical signals. Again I won't get into that you can read up on it.
But to then go on to say 'yes GOD DID IT'. Is a truly pointless argument because you can't support it! So why make points you can't support I'll just keep pointing out theres no evidence.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 This idea of saying 'OR' followed by something you have no evidence of is to be honest pretty dumb. We know ants can't talk. I can prove that but we can both accept I don't need to. We know they communicate using chemical signals. Again I won't get into that you can read up on it.
But to then go on to say 'yes GOD DID IT'. Is a truly pointless argument because you can't support it! So why make points you can't support I'll just keep pointing out theres no evidence.
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Wow you are a moron. I predicted you would commit the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY, warned you against it, and you STILL DID IT. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
@InTheImageOfDNA LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL As for the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY: I'm sure the ONE TRUE GOD, (that would be the GOD of Abraham), will get a really LOL out of it. As for me and my house I'll serve the Lord (GOD Almighty)!
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Ah Ha! Proof of creation! This would be the serpent (snake) in Eden. Now, if the goddamned Evilushunists will stop hiding the fact that this snake has a larynx we can put the debate to rest. In your face, Science!
tapesquare 4 months ago
[part 4] (4.) Scientific Bias: At a national park in the USA, where there was the famous fossilized human footprints found inside of a dinosaurs (in a fossilized creek bed); Rangers were recently ordered to chisel it out. They claimed (along with scientists) it was causing a stir and was unscientific.
Oh okay.... so let me get this straight.... because it doesn't fit their narrow view of the world we are just going to destroy scientific evidence. Conspiracy much? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 4 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 That 4th one was a myth - you see, a foot is composed of bones call tarsal, metatarsal and phalanges and had some strange description in 1908. So, some of these track show trace of metatarsal... However, other "fossil" where simply sculpted by George Adam to make money in the 1930's, during the depression, and he put some human foot in these one by basing is fossil on old descriptions...
It's not science who destroyed evidence, it's the department of justice for fraud.
therrydicule 3 months ago
[part 3] (3.) Dating of rocks: Perdue University Scientists recently discovered solarflares and the suns distance from the Earth effects the decay rate of radioisotopes. I'm well aware this effect is minute but we do not know how violently explosive the sun was at it's origins. Also strange radiation from meteors (Siberia) may also have a faster decay rate. Furthermore, polonium halo rings, why are there deposits that shouldn't be there for the kind of radiation science said it was? Hmmmmmm.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 4 months ago
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To Mumbling: A atheist scientist once said that a beautiful garden doesn't have to be created by a designer. That maybe, but if the garden spells out 'Welcome to Victoria' in the flowers how can you deny intelligent design? This is shown in the structure of the cells and DNA. To much information, truly you can't say this is a accident?
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
Oh by the way to anyone readying this thread.
If you see these words:
'Comment removed JESUSRULESFOREVER777',
that is because I often catch gramatical errors and misspellings. It is not because I was trying to hide something I wrote.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
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"e I often catch gramatical errors and misspellings. It is not because I was trying to hide something I wrote."
Try a spellchecker.... but in seriousness its okay...we can't all be literal pedants... that would be boring.
MumblingMickey 4 months ago
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You said," What war front? Whatever voice you are using to subvocalise what I type is clearly off base a little...." Well wether you realize it or not ,earlier on you did come across rather abrasive like you had a chip on your shoulder. But I too at times can be somewhat combative vocally, no hard feelings I hope? I'm working on that in my nature, we all have our little idiosyncrasies. I am glad to here there is no hostility in you. I am not angry either.
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@MumblingMickey I said,"I think a lot of creation theories get shoved out of the way and labeled the lunatic fringe long before they are given a real chance" Your responce,"For example...???"
Well that's easy: The Shroud of Turin is one example. In that case, two very smart Christians (nonscientists like me) stumbled upon facts that altered the date of the shroud. They were labeled the lunatic fringe and they were found to be correct. The scientists dated the shroud incorrectly.
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@MumblingMickey You said,"You think its accurate clearly and you offer the evidence of photos and a full on expedition to support it. Thats fine, excellent. NOW WHERE ARE THEY?"
*Well as I said before, read the valid news channels report. Also watch the videos on that site and watch the videos on National Geographic.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
@MumblingMickey I said,"They did take pictures and showed them, ground and air."
Part of your responce was, "-So where are they again??? Again I don't seem to be able to find any or even references to them." Google Type in ancient secrets of the bible episode Noahs Ark.
Here is an even more recent expedition from just last year.
*Go to National Geographic's website type in: noahs ark found in turkey
*Go to Fox news type in: noahs ark found turkey-ararat
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
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@MumblingMickey You said,"-lets say you haven't sent jack sh*t to a publisher.... would I be right?-"
*Yes you are. But I do spend all my time writing my novel.
You said,"What you mean is you'd like to be a novelist." *Yes again.
You,"Well I'd like to be an astronaut. However since I'm not,-'' "- I don't go around telling everyone I am! Keep the day job."
We'll see about that. I think you'll be surprised. Any way, your not the one who needs convincing it's the publisher.
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@MumblingMickey You said, "So Gods (plural) created women twice... (why a non reproducing species would need two sexes is beyond me) according to the bible that is!"
This statement is confusing. Go into more detail please, thank you. : )
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
@MumblingMickey you said,"-complexity in design does not require an intellect to design it." and "-Hydrogen is pretty simple... and so is oxygen... yet just those two elements form snowflakes. Without the advantage reproduction too! Do you see any intelligent design in snowflakes?" First off, human cells were once believed to be simple until advanced microscopes proved otherwise. Just because you can't see complexity under it 's current available magnification does mean it isn't complex.
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I think God's sending the free cake
Nixom1334 5 months ago
You know, if the Creationist were smart, I know I know, they would jump on this with everything they had and say that the Bible was telling the truth about snakes having legs...
Please tell me I didn't just give them another argument, Son of a bitch!
HimesInu 7 months ago
@HimesInu "-Creationist-" Yes that would be me (I.E.- The Christian). Yea, I've been all over this subject of the 'snake with legs' for sometime now. They've attacked everything from my grammar to my IQ. Heck even the Science channel for goodness sake. Also official college text book writers. I've been blasted down and blasted again but my sub keeps resurfacing. Any way, hello Himeslnu nice to met you. Care to join the discussion? : )
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 The reason why you've been "blasted down and blasted again" is because you don't give any evidence more than "It's in the Bible." And I don't mean you personally, I mean Creationists generally. I won't attack your IQ, I may correct some grammar, but I deal with hard facts. And that's what most Creationists fail to do. Or when they have hard facts, it's debunked by science, and then they attack the science.
HimesInu 5 months ago
@HimesInu You said,"-Creationists-" "-When they have hard facts, it's debunked by science, and then they attack the science." Well for one thing, science todays views are often prejudice and scewed by their own personal bias. So just because it is debunked doesn't necessarily mean it is entirely untrue.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Alright. I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. Some Creationists, Kent Ham for instance, believe that the Earth was created 6000 years ago Well, science proved this to be wrong. That, in fact, the Earth was created 13 to 14 million years ago. There is no bias in that. Another favorite of Kent Ham is the ice comet. The problem with that, and you can find this in WDPLAC, not sure the episode, is the ice comet would have destroyed the Earth. No bias.
HimesInu 5 months ago
@HimesInu Himeslnu you said,"- the ice comet would have destroyed the Earth.-" Oddly enough on the Science Channel they showed that scientific theory (now believes) Earth more then likely had to have been hit by several small commits, in order to give us water; which is interesting.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 4 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Not the size that Kent Ham was suggesting. The size of the ice comet he was suggesting would have destroyed the earth.
HimesInu 4 months ago
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"The size of the ice comet he was suggesting would have destroyed the earth."
Clearly basic Newtonian physics poses a problem for the literal translation of the bible too...who'd have thought it? Maybe someone should introduce creationists to the concept of force being equal to mass times acceleration. Or better still lets not waste our time...and just continue to point and laugh.
MumblingMickey 4 months ago
@HimesInu Kent Ham said,"Earth was created 6000 years ago." You said, "Well, science proved this to be wrong." The jury is still out on this one for me. There is several problems with believing the Earth is millions of years old. Science has measured time based on the distance of galaxies and the like from Earth, there is only one problem with this, how can you measure it when the speed is steadily increasing and you don't know the start speed from the Big Bang? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 4 months ago
[part 2] (2.) The fossil record: In the Grand Canyon a fossilized whale facing vertically was found. This whale went through every time layer. How can this be? The whale would have had to have stood on it's tail for billions of years to fossilize. We all know this is impossible, the top half would have rotted. Therefore it had to have been buried rapidly. This means the layers were created by very fast levels of sedimentry deposits; including animals of various weights, etc.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 4 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 WHere did you hear of this fossil? I ask simply because I put in a google search for it and the first page is completely made up of Kent Ham articles. And I'm sorry, but anything that man says should be put to the side. He uses no real scientific method. In fact, he tells people "to put on their Bible glasses" and forget science. Anyone who says that should not be believed.
HimesInu 4 months ago
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@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 WHere did you hear of this fossil? I ask simply because I put in a google search for it and the first page is completely made up of Kent Ham articles. And I'm sorry, but anything that man says should be put to the side. He uses no real scientific method. In fact, he tells people "to put on their Bible glasses" and forget science. Anyone who says that should not be believed.
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JESUSRULESFOREVER777 9 months ago
@MumblingMickey "no, complexity in design does not require an intellect to design it."- No amount of math, subatomic images can sway you, I can see that now. To each his own I guess.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 9 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 I have no information that demonstrates how life began. Neither do you!
However I do know even inorganic material can for self replicating devices and in fact I also know that polymers both organic and inorganic will self assemble into structures.
However this does not mean this is HOW what we call living organisms began. But it does show its pretty common. So common people like me are now required by law to carry out actions to prevent contamination of the environment.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: [PART.V] - Dead Sea Scrolls 'The Complete Story' by Dr. Jonathan G. Campbell, Ulysses Press Berkeley, Ca copyright 1998
Archaeology in the Holy Land, 5th ed, by Kathleen M. Kenyon, Thomas Nelson Publisher Camden, New York copyright 1979
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 It's good that you read. Read the ones on this list if you want to learn why you believe what you believe: search "amazon essential readings in the cognitive science of religion". It is the first result on Google.
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "It's good that you read."- Thank you. : )
You, "Read the ones on this list if you want to learn why you believe what you believe: search "amazon essential readings in the cognitive science of religion. It is the first result on Google."- I'll do my best, I'm currently very busy with a lot of things including scrambling to get my book series to publisher and out on the market. However, if I do get some time I will see if I can squeeze the read in, thank you.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 9 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 I read Kenyons book.. shes a shit writer to be honest... I'm not knowcking her work...just her writing style...I'm positive her papers are easy to read... but as a book writer she really needs to hire someone else to do that.
Just a personal opinion.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey I knew you would do this. Why are you now attacking how Kenyon grammatically writes? I thought the arguement was whether the information I read was intelligent? Also, what's up with the vulgarity (shes a sh*t writer)? * That was edited. Maybe my internet typing is crass but your language is far more.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: [PART.IV] - The Unabridged Running Press Edition of the Classic *'Grays Anatomy' by Sir Benjamin Collins Brodie, Bart. copyright 1901/1974
*My sister gave it to me as a Christmas present, it was a hard read but it was truly an intriguingly amazing read. : )
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: [PART.III] -*The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language copyright 1979, American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc.
*Reason for reading it: To better get a grip on spelling to have a basic grasp on many things and to not lose sight of the old school definitions of words.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "o better get a grip on spelling to have a basic grasp on many things and to not lose sight of the old school definitions of words."
And then we totally fuck up all of that by using Microsoft Word and get lazy again... Bill Gates...he has a lot to answer for!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: [PART. II] Modern Physical Geology 2nd ed By Graham R. Thompson University of Montana & Jonathan Turk, PhD, Saunders College Publishing, Harcourt Brace College Publishers, copyright 1997.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
(cont.) The McGraw Hill Companies, Inc. was the publisher.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
Let's just say my novels have been years in the making and I'm currently shopping for one (a agent).
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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"Let's just say my novels have been years in the making".
Lets not say that... lets say you haven't sent jack shit to a publisher.... would I be right? Your grammar is crass my friend...and if you have never had anything published then you are not a novelist. What you mean is you'd like to be a novelist.
Well I'd like to be an astronaut. However since I'm not, and theres fuck all chance I ever will be, I don't go around telling everyone I am!
Keep the day job!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey Look Mumble why do you feel the need to create this kind of war front? I never wanted this to be a hostile environment. Why do you feel the need to attack my grammar so I get defensive? I never claimed to be good at grammar. I merely claimed I was a writer who just so happens to be working on a novel series. Editors, school English tutors and my wife will help me work out the kinks, but don't tell me to keep my day job. If your incapable of not insulting me I'm done here.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 9 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 What war front? Whatever voice you are using to subvocalise what I type is clearly off base a little....
I talk like this... perhaps if you replaced the angry american atheist voice in your head with an Irish accent you might realise its not as confrontational as it reads.
All I'm asking you to do is stop making stupid statements you yourself can go off and find out are factually erroneous... and do that BEFORE making such statements.
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JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
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Let me give you an anaolgy... you are sitting in front of 100 schoolchildren...they are all 4 years of age... you job is to tell them there is no santa... a hard job to be sure.
Each kid that realises the facts of the matter runs out crying or whatever.
After an hour you are left with 3 children...all of whom keep insisting there is a Santa...cos they seen the presents!
Now what sort of hope to you have in the future these kids have, clearly they ain't too bright!
MumblingMickey 9 months ago 6
@MumblingMickey You said,"-children...all of whom keep insisting there is a Santa...cos they seen the presents! Now what sort of hope to you have in the future these kids have, clearly they ain't too bright!"
If your trying to compare Christians to kids who believe in Santa that's very sad indeed. God is so much more then that.
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@MumblingMickey "How could you have watched THIS video...and thought that it in any way promoted gods." - As I said before I don't recall which video of Don exodus it was. I watched to many of them. They all blurred together after a while. Perhaps I confused him with a fan using his title heading. Any way, I know now (and frankly have for sometime now known) he isn't a claiming Christian. Alright then, G R E A T so can we 'move on now' we are really beating that horse into the dirt? : )
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 I'm interested in getting my thesis published as a book. Who is your agent? I mean, as a novelist, you surely have an agent. Right? I'd also like to know which publishing house you work with? Maybe Master Books like Ray Comfort? Thanks.
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Books I've read: *The Middle-East A History vol I & II 5th edition by Sydney Nettleton Fisher Late Professor of History The Ohio State University William Ochsenwald Professor of History Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University copyright 1979 *with contributions from nine prominent Islamic scholars (as source material) and twenty five other non Islamic scholars as well.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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@MumblingMickey You said, "-your understanding and adaptiveness in language was coarse, uncouth, barbaric etc...My understanding of language is fine." Well I see you like to degrees back to drawing upon insults and your haughty, colorful college words. I'm frankly not going to bother to dabble in the slamming right now, I'm tired and have to go to bed. Good night. : )
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Job was anointed: from the aspect that he was anointed with blessings abundant and overflowing both on Earth and in the future in Heaven. So GOD was quite full of love even though in the suffering it didn't seem like it.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Christian's however have a protective hedge around them of sorts: A guardian angel when it is needed, The Holy Spirit, the name of Jesus or a actual psychical guardian (a person) who GOD gave you to watch over you, etc. But even people of GOD can have bad things happen, read the Bible's book of JOB. But if you notice GOD provided ample blessing when Job passed the test. This doesn't mean GOD is cruel, on the contrary Job's children went to a better place & he was anointed.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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Gen 3:14 the Lord God said onto the serpent, because thou has done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; UPON THY BELLY SHALT THOU GO, & DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE:.." The serpent (annunaki maybe??) did something other than slither (craw) before the intro of disorder (entropy) in other words, before the fall of man
From6to7 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You don't know how I can accuse you of poorly typed?
R E A L L Y? You said (and this is verbatim), "Its rteal simple too...so when I ask...where did the wine come from lot drank..." For one thing it's 'real' not rteal, second it's 'Lot' not lot. I thought University students new this grade school level grammar?
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
[Continued]- This logic of the non-Christian scientists can be found on the Science Channels program Sodom and Gomorrah. Which even they were forced to admit the Torahs story had some bases in fact after the evidence was compiled.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 The science channel is not science... the science channel is basically the same as a TV show that explains babies to 6 year old children...compared to a paper on human reproduction its not exactly what you might call accurate.
Do yourself a favor...go to your TV box and delete the science channel... or you mind will turn into a mushroom!
I deleted all that shit from my TV... I wouldn't allow that crap to plute my kids mind any more than the bible would.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "You addressed no comments to me with any ideas of gaps...or even full on crevices!" PART I - Actually for your information it's on 'page 9' of this thread; not only that but I said it twice, ironically following your two post at the bottom of the page.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 For you...logged in as YOU its on page 9... but this site lists comments relative to the users login... it could be anywhere for me... Thats why your own comments always near the top.
Please quote the first three words of that comment so I can find it... But I already looked over three full pages listed by all comments...I found nothing.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
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JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "You addressed no comments to me with any ideas of gaps...or even full on crevices!" PART II First off, it was a GENERAL PUBLIC STATEMENT MADE TO 'A L L'. Secondly, by your attitude you obviously thinking your sooooooooooooooooo vastly superior and yet you fail to notice a statement posted right after you write something. LOL hmmmm As Cpt Kirk would say, ***"I'm laughing at your superior intellect." ****(R O L L I N G on floor LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL).
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 " it was a GENERAL PUBLIC STATEMENT MADE TO 'A L L"
Don't really have the time to read all comments on a channel page with 522 of them.... So if its not addressed to me then I'm sure it won't come as too great a surprise if I didn't bother to read that!
As you said it was AFTER a comment I made... fair enough... I don't read my own comments... I know what they contain... I wrote them!
So if you reply to this one...and don't address me...I'll never see that!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
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@MumblingMickey "Don't really have the time to read all comments on a channel page with 522." Umm news flash I haven't been posting that long, were NOT talking four weeks ago here. Try the day before yesterday. Nice try though.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Also. What attitude? Are you sub vocalising some sort of arrogant voice in your head as you read my comments.
Go right ahead. If it makes you feel better. Whatever floats your noahs boat.
I can't see being surprised at being called on bullshit. You should be well used to that by now. I'd say you could write one of those books you don't write on the mental deflation of being called on garbage.
I'll be happy to take up whatever part of your imagination you'd like.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey "Also. What attitude? Are you sub vocalising some sort of arrogant voice in your head as you read my comments."- Are you for real? Can't you tell? Read your own posts to me and pretend your me. They come across as cocky, haughty sometimes and downright cruelly put. I never intended this to be a word battle but YOU kept slapping me in the face with your gauntlet. How is that bull. You need to take your head out of those books and take a class in ambassadorship, SERIOUSLY.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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@InTheImageOfDNA You said,"A "novelist" that doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're." - It's called a EDITOR perhaps you've heard of one? Look it up in the dictionary. Oh wait by all your poorly typed blogs I guess you don't own one. HAH LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
YEAH BABY THAT'S RIGHT I CAN TARE WITH THE BEST OF UM. YOU DON'T WANT TO BRING THIS WORD WAR ON!
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 JESUSRULES, since you are such an awesomely fierce wielder of the rapier of wit and reason, I'd like to read some of your "novels." Can you point me toward some of them?
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA " since you are such an awesomely fierce wielder of the rapier of wit and reason,"
Meoooowww! snarl... I thought I was bad... you turn sarcasm often into a fine art.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
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@MumblingMickey InTheImageOfDNA " since you are such an awesomely fierce wielder of the rapier of wit and reason," "Meoooowww! snarl... I thought I was bad... you turn sarcasm often into a fine art."- Yeah okay whatever, yawn.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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@MumblingMickey Actually the Bible has been shown in archeology to have historical facts in what it wrote. As I stated earlier Sodom city and Gomorah city were dug up by non Christian scientists. That is not a fallacy it is a fact. So how is it you feel I have nothing to stand on? I do have some science behind my words.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey Actually the Bible has been shown in archeology to have historical facts in what it wrote. As I stated earlier Sodom city and Gomorah city were dug up by non Christian scientists. That is not a fallacy it is a fact. So how is it you feel I have nothing to stand on? I do have some science behind my words.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 The Lord of the Rings mentions dwarves and there really are midgets! Therefore, according to your reasoning, we should take J.R.R. Tolkien's writings literally! Good job!
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Erm... yep... clearly the lord of the rings is the one true book of absolute truth...
There are also characters wearing boots in lord of the rings... which clearly shows that JRR Tolkien prophesied the Doc Martin variety of footwear!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "Actually the Bible has been shown in archeology to have historical facts in what it wrote."
firstly can I just say for someone claiming to work as a writer your ability to express yourself in writing is uncouth. For one thing a statement can be factual and fallacious concurrently.
Yes I'm aware of Numeira, es-Safi, Feifeh and Khanazir, Bab edh-Dhra and Emar, all candidates that might match the description of Sodom / Gomorrah. None destroyed by fire and brimstone either!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
COT. ~Particularly I might add the town of Sodm in Jordan... which is also a town that earned its living from local salt deposits... until of course the environment changed and the access to the salt dried up! At which point its economy collapsed. But it wasn't destroyed by fire an brimstone either... theres no evidence any of these towns were either attacked and destroyed...or fell victim to a natural disaster... and certainly no evidence they were destroyed by fire and brimstone.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
CONT. And finally I'm not really sure how you define righteous... but any man that gets blind drunk and then impregnates both of his own virgin daughters after earlier promising them to a crowd of baying horny fuckers might be a lot of things... but 'righteous' would not be one of those things!
Are these the sort of morals you have decided you will live your life by? That if such an action by this man is righteous that its also okay for you to do the same perhaps?
Seriously! WTF?
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey "-And finally I'm not really sure how you define righteous... but any man that gets blind drunk and then impregnates both of his own virgin daughters-" Um that is N O T accurate at all. He was blind drunk yes, but his daughters clearly raped him in his weakened state. They thought they were the last people on Earth after the meteor disaster. What they did was a act of desperation, they knew he would not consent sober. How does that take away his righteousness.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Why would they think they were the last people on earth?
Are you trying to tell me that in a hurry to escape from disaster this guy remembered to bring enough alcohol with him to get rat arsed two nights running?
Don't you see any discrepancies in these stories? You question the science so severely it must offer iron clad 100% evidence that you can also easily understand or you reject it. But you don't extend that requirement of proof to these stupid stories. Why not?
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MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey "Are you trying to tell me that in a hurry to escape from disaster this guy remembered to bring enough alcohol with him to get rat arsed two nights running?"- If the world was occupied by: Wicked, perverted, violence and you just heard the place you lived was going to be destroyed and you had no place to go but a cave; bringing plenty of alcohol to get plastered drunk is typical human behavior when people loose hope. If you don't believe that just look at the homeless and Noah.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 " If the world was occupied by: Wicked, perverted, violence and you just heard the place you lived was going to be destroyed etc. etc..."
Yeah there are too many IF's in there... way too many to include enough bronze age wine to get stinking drunk on two nights in a row...and not a screed of evidence to back the IF's up either.
And no... I think I'd have more important things to be bringing with me than a crate of crappy bronze age wine! So would you.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said about Lot, "And no... I think I'd have more important things to be bringing with me than a crate of crappy bronze age wine! So would you."- True, I probably wouldn't have ether but he came from a city full of corruption. His daughters were saved (I imagine) because GOD knew Lot would never go without his whole family. But that doesn't mean they were innocent, Lot offered them to the rioters; a sign of loss of innocence. They brought the wine for their dark purpose.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "Why would they think they were the last people on earth?" - Well obviously they would still have within them the history of Noah's flood. The fact that the sky appears to be falling and everything around you is being destroyed; it's NOT a big jump to realize the emotions of a woman would be terrified this was the end. Even the atheist scientist researching non-religious historical texts agreed this was a logical conclusion to the women's behavior, assuming it true.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Will you for fucks sake at least read the bible before you make such statements... you are denying the findings of science...and the greatest minds on the earth... at the same time you are making crazy assumptions that aren't in the bible at all...Where did they obtain this wine? pop down to the local corner shop did they?
You are going on about 'its not a big jump' but it it is if you jump all the time...from one thing to another!
And you are jumping... with no evidence!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Right lets try this another way... in fact lets try it YOUR way...and you'll like this... you are used to it...
From here on in...we'll apply the same requirement for evidence to the bible... that you apply to science...
Is that fair?
You apply this requirement to science.. and you have a tendency to ignore stuff you can't answer without addressing it.. So lets see how the bible stands up to YOUR requirement for evidence.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Its rteal simple too...so when I ask...where did the wine come from lot drank... you have no evidence of anything... so you say 'I don't know'...theres nothing wrong with not knowing... its just information you don't have.
So lets start at the beginning of the story...
Where was Sodom?
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
CONT. FYI it starts at Gen 17... but the location is mentioned in Gen 14...
Lets apply some critical thinking to the bible shall we?
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said,"Sodom / Gomorrah. None destroyed by fire and brimstone either!"- WHAT IN THE FREAK KIND OF DRUGS ARE YOU ON? First off, it was the SCIENCE channel that aired it and yes they confirmed that a meteor exploded over Europe, sent meteor rock all over including the site of the cities. Second, the blast caused a ice age from the sun blotting out. This same meteor rock was discovered in core samples in glaciers. This was atheist scientists NOT gibberish.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Forget about the science channel.
I also find it very interesting that you know the religious persuasion of scientists depicted on the science channel. Was there a banner at the bottom that introduced them with the heading 'Atheist Scientist' or something?
The last glacial maximum was 20k years ago, this is an interglacial period...the last ice age ended 12k years ago! These towns were in the bronze age... just 3k years ago... and no magic short ice ages since then!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey -"I also find it very interesting that you know the religious persuasion of scientists depicted on the science channel."- It's what they say not what they profess, like calling the Bible a myth. How is that not a obvious statement of lack of faith?
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "These towns were in the bronze age... just 3k years ago... and no magic short ice ages since then!" 3,ooo years ago? Where did you learn math? 3000 BC + 2011 AD = 5011 years ago.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "The last glacial maximum was 20k years ago, this is an interglacial period...the last ice age ended 12k years ago!"- Heh don't look at me, they were the ones drawing the core samples.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 If you are referring to the supposed asteroid impact hypothesis in 3k bc. the problem is that it would only show an asteroid impact destroyed some towns.
You should take a look at what Russian herders think was 'foretold' about Tunguska. Funnily enough all these Tunguska prophecies came about AFTER the event. And its never just asteroids. Its always angry gods.
No doubt if there was one tomorrow you'd be there ready to needlessly pen god into the equation.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "- it would only show an asteroid impact destroyed some towns." Actually, they found a map mosaic buried for thousands of years beneath the floor of a old church. It had been lost to man. It pin pointed the precise location of Sodom, Gomorrah and Zoar. When they dug there they discovered two
bronze age cities. Stunningly similar to the proximity and descriptive in the Torah.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "If you are referring to the supposed asteroid impact hypothesis in 3k bc." Yes it was in the 3000's, 3,125 BC to be exact (according to there dating).
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey "You should take a look at what Russian herders think was 'foretold' about Tunguska."- Well sure, people who are prone to pagan demi-gods often connect acts of nature to there god or gods, as do all religions. I do not deny this. But that doesn't mean something didn't occur. It just means they tried to rationalize it.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 CONT. But as it turns out none of these towns have any detritus that wasn't on the earth before during and after they fell to rack and ruin.... Asteroids on the other hand would leave detritus that could be tracked back to an off earth source... and there isn't any!
I suggest you take the matter up with the 'atheist scientists' on the science channel... or just delete the science channel before you brain slips out of your nasal cavity!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Next the bible also states that Egyptians existed... I have no problem with that... they did... other books and civilizations not only commented... but many got clobbered by them. The bible also states for example that Herod was the governor of Judea... again thats accurate... and others... including the romans confirm it.
But Lord of the rings states that elves exist and so does bread..... Since it got the bread bit right ...clearly there are also elves...yes?
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey WOW. You are just such a wonderful individual it just makes me so thrilled to be alive (heavy sarcasm). Actually the Bible has been proven to have historical accuracy: including the recent Sodom city found and the Gomorah city found, I could go on and on in archeoligical non Christian science digs. No I'm not um home schooled.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey as for the ants thing: God say that he reveals Himself through nature so that man is without excuse. Donexodus understands this. If you don't have any respect for what I have to say then listen to his evidence for the existence of GOD.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Yes you see there you go again... God didn't say that.. unless you've just been talking to god on the phone and have the recording ready for us...
the BIBLE said that god said it... thats not god saying it... thats a book telling you that the primary character said it!
Now you can now go on to say... but that character is a real character in the universe... and then I'll say... fine...with the exception of the bible... how do you know? Wheres the evidence?
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 To start with Donexodus is atheistic...?!?!? So erm... clearly you are doing some very weird interpretation of what he says there...and his evidence of God would be the same as yours and everyone else's... none at all.
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But erm... yeah.... donexodus's evidence of god.... lol....I think you'd need to lift him off the floor after he pisses himself laughing if he ever reads that!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey Watched the video: ''Why I'm no longer a Christian' apparently your correct Mumble. Guess I misunderstood, he must of meant he used to be. Well not truly though since he says he never really was into it (in so many words).
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "Watched the video: ''Why I'm no longer a Christian-" Actually I did before you had to tell me to. Oh my.... I guess I CAN research information after all. Why don't you two research the phrase brood of vipers. If I had anything to say about it, your two pictures would be right next to it.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 A "novelist" that doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're." LOLOLOLOL
Dude, you are a hoot and a half!
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
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JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Man stop ripping the piss out of him... you, I and he all know hes not a writer...
Yeah he is funny...and uneducated... but he's never going to learn jack shit about anything if every time he meets up with people that have an education they rip the shit out of him no holds barred.
I just told him his language was coarse and left it at that... From that point on he'll be more precise with language... and thats the objective I'd suppose...
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey Yeah, I'm constantly torn on PR techniques with skepticism. I have no delusions about it's direct and immediate effectiveness. (I'm aware of the "The BackFire Effect" where people cling to beliefs more strongly in the face of direct refutation.) However, being proved stupidly wrong when I was in my late teens about religion eventually led to my current perspective. It is anecdotal, but it is evidence that it at least works in some individuals. Not that it will work here...
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "However, being proved stupidly wrong when I was in my late teens about religion eventually led to my current perspective." How were you proved stupidly wrong about religion InTheImage?
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "How were you proved stupidly wrong about religion InTheImage?" (I don't mean this answer as a smart-ass retort but rather I am serious.) I was proved wrong by critical thinking and reality. Fundamentalism and interventionist theology is demonstrably false to anyone who thinks critically.
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Thanks for keeping your responses less abrasive. May be we can actually have a decent conversation here with out firing insults back and forth.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 If you try real hard not to say something really stupid... then yes you might learn something... or not... whatever.
You will notice their are very, very specific points where both InTheImageOfGod and I get abusive and insulting...
Let me give you an analogy... A girl who was dating a friend of mine once said to him 'Don't be stupid... ducks can't fly... they swim don't they?'
Coincidentally she was blonde...Now... what sort of response do you think she got?
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey As for the blond joke and saying stupid things: I may not have worded or thought through some of what I was trying to get across (at certain points early on in this thread), but that does not change the fact that the GOD of Abraham is real which only the Holy Spirit can open your eyes and show you.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 To give you an example: most examples of "answered prayer" (which would be "interventionist theology") commit 4 separate examples of fallacious reasoning.
1) ad hoc attribution. "Answered prayers" never differ from naturalistic chains of events.
2) confirmation bias. Answered prayers "hits" are counted but unanswered "misses" are discounted or forgotten.
3) selection bias. Jesus prayers count but identical claims for Ganesh and Allah prayers don't count.
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "1) Prayers never differ from naturalistic chains of events."- My mom one day prayed for me on my way home from Jr. Hi. that I'd be kept safe. My friend and I had just bought jolly ranchers at the local 7-11 store. We were within 3 feet of walking by a telephone pole. A 'still small voice' in my head said, "Don't you want to go back and get a big gulp?" I asked my friend if he heard a voice in his head. He told me a voice told him to go back and get a big gulp.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA (7-11 story continued) PART II- So we shrugged our shoulders and walked 3 feet back towards the 7-11 store. Just at that very moment a car blew it's tire, swerved out of control and hit the telephone pole. If we had gone 3 feet forward instead of 3 feet backwards I probably wouldn't be alive today to be typing this to you. That car would have crushed us. That was 'GOD' or one of His angels watching over us. Prayers to Jesus GOD's son 'DO' work and the Supernatural IS real.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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4) "Answered prayers" are a great distillation of the problem of evil. (I heard that a healed broken leg after 2 weeks was "divine" just a few days ago.) Every instance I hear claimed is usually something medical. And with a U.S. citizen that means that "God" chose to "help" someone in a rich country with medical care with a relatively trifling problem.
Meanwhile thousands of children starved to death in Africa.
That is what is logically entailed by what you believe.
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA It was a hair line fracture. LOL
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA You can't believe every lunatic out there. There is lost of wolves in sheep's clothing, tares (weeds) in the wheat field; in other words FAKE Christians. The Bible says they were planted there by the enemy. Their purpose to do exactly what your believing, to make Christian look like: LUNATICS, psycho paths, murders, rapists, child molesters, etc. Jesus said you would know a TRUE Christian by their fruit (their deeds there works). Your med reference is the lunatic fringe.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA On the other hand, there is cases were people were told they had less then one month to live from a cancer tumor and through prayers to Jesus it went absolute away. It didn't even show up on any medical equipment after two weeks. It was for all intensive purposes completely gone, a absolute miracle. All the doctors were flabbergasted and simply couldn't believe it. This in fact is quite common among Christians. There are countless testimonies of miracles just like this one.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 "there is cases were people were told they had less then one month to live from a cancer tumor and through prayers to Jesus it went absolute away."
The statistical incidence of those are no greater or lesser than either any other religion...or in nations that are entirely atheistic and had no prayer.
And there have been studies done on prayer...by Christian organisations too. Lots of them... you should look those up!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "Meanwhile thousands of children starved to death in Africa."- Starving children in Africa is largely do to a highly unstable region. There are tons of greedy waring factions that help to create poverty in the region. This is the evilness of man's heart and Hell's cruelty. Don't blame GOD for that.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 " Starving children in Africa is largely do to a highly unstable region."
So what? Cancer in the west is primarily due to lifestyle and age.
But pointing to 'unstable region' is pointless since the question is not ...'why are they starving?'
The question is... 'why don't THEIR prayers work?'
So why don't their prayers work? Most African Christians are also biblical literalists too! So forget about why they are starving...why are their prayers ignored?
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey "The question is... 'why don't THEIR prayer work? Most African Christians are also biblical literalists too! So forget about why they are starving...why are their prayers ignored?" I don't think you can wood peg them all in the same hole. God is a personal God each one is handled individually. To truly understand, one would have to know each ones story. If they are true Christians sometimes they maybe given over to trials like Job in the Bible. God has not abandon them.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Until Jesus returns for His children there will always be evil running rampant. The god of this world Satan controls this world, do not be surprised when you see suffering. GOD has to permit this. This is known as permissive will. He must let life run it's coarse otherwise we would all be like robots being controlled, with NO FREE WILL. Now that said, as for the unbelievers there is 'NO PROTECTIVE HEDGE' so naturally evil can do whatever it likes, thus what you are seeing.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 OK JesusRules. You go ahead with your life. Don't try rationality though because it might kill you.
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA You said, "OK JesusRules. You go ahead with your life. Don't try rationality though because it might kill you." It depends what you call rational. If you mean to say I came from a ape I beg to differ. If you said the Earth is 3.5 billion years old I'd say, "Cool, no sweet." If you said ape man evolved I'd say I agree but I don't believe we are of that origin. I believe there were two: one in the image of a beast (ape man) one in the image of GOD, thus the fossil record.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Awesome. Use that in your next novel.
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Well you said yourself you were religious at one point... I never was btw, Until I was 8 years old I thought all adults were just trying to pull my leg, I couldn't believe they actually thought this crap was real!
I have recently been viewing these 'deconversion' vids... and all ex religious people seem to share one thing. They worked it out for themselves. Yes NEW information helped... but they decided to apply the same logic to Gods as they do everything else by themselves.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey I have a paper on just this topic published over at the Secular Web: "Why Religion is Persuasive".
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
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@InTheImageOfDNAYou said, "I have a paper on just this topic published over at the Secular Web: "Why Religion is Persuasive."- I got a better one: Why is Christianity is persuasive? It's called GOD.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "I just told him his language was coarse and left it at that..." The word 'coarse' dictionary definitions: (1.) common, inferior [wow NAZI much?] (2) Lacking delicacy and refinement [Oh and you are refined I suppose mister potty mouth?]
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Actually I'll correct myself... the word I used was 'uncouth'.. which is basically unrefined, barbaric...etc.... and I pointed out where your understanding and adaptiveness in language was coarse, uncouth, barbaric etc. Remember?
My understanding of language is fine. Yes I use expletives. That does not mean I am not adroit in grammatical or semantic skills.
Now not to put too fine a point on it... but you are taking a certain amount of rope here and hanging yourself.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
CONT. As I used t constantly inform my kids when they knew no better... Do not draw unnecessary attention to your weak areas.
Yet here you are picking a fight regarding semantics and language skills.
For fucks sake take a look at the comments above.... then sit back and ask yourself... 'If I have a faining here...do I really want to draw yet more attention to it?' It is often wiser to stay quiet and have others think you a fool, than to open your mouth removing all doubt!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said, "It is often wiser to stay quiet and have others think you a fool, than to open your mouth removing all doubt!"- That's from Proverbs. Hmmmm trying to use my own Torah against me now? Now your starting to sound like Satan.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Satan... you think I'm now some other crazy demon or something... are you living in a friggin cloud? What are you talking about?... thats WHY I PUT IT IN THERE!
So let me get this straight... if I ignore the bible... I'm Satan... and if I quote FROM the bible...I'm also Satan...
Do you think that people who are atheistic have never read the bible?
Pew research have recently compiled results of who knows more about religion... look it up!
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@MumblingMickey You said,"-if I quote FROM the bible...I'm-" "-Satan..."
No... I was saying you 'sounded like' Satan in that perticular instance. This is because he used the same technique in the book of Genesis by qouting verses but it misrepresented the facts. NO I don't believe your Satan.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago 2
@MumblingMickey You said,"-if I ignore the bible... I'm Satan..."
The bible verse states anything that denies that Jesus is the son of God is of the spirit of the Anti Christ. This is a GENERALITY and NOT LITERALLY saying YOU are the Anti Christ. It simply means you hold to the demonic doctrine of the enemy. In other words, you preach Jesus is not the son of God. In fact you even go so far as to say there is no God. But again NO I do not believe your Satan or the Anti christ.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 5 months ago 2
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JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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How could you have watched THIS video...and thought that it in any way promoted gods, goblins or anything else... thats what you need to ask yourself... The line in the description was a second clue... and the title doesn't help either does it?
[scratches head as if he's just realised hes talking to a custard donut]
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
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JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
APOSTACY PART II- Matthew 7;20-21 "-so then you will know them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of Heaven." (Many have called Jesus Lord but knew Him not.) Just because you used to be supposedly Christian DOES NOT MEAN you were truly saved. It just means you acted upon religious rituals, went to church and read the Bible. Your very dialog is a testament to that. It's THE HEART that MUST BELIEVE and the tongue that confesses.
*Sorry typo earlier.
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
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@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 This idea of saying 'OR' followed by something you have no evidence of is to be honest pretty dumb. We know ants can't talk. I can prove that but we can both accept I don't need to. We know they communicate using chemical signals. Again I won't get into that you can read up on it.
But to then go on to say 'yes GOD DID IT'. Is a truly pointless argument because you can't support it! So why make points you can't support I'll just keep pointing out theres no evidence.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 This idea of saying 'OR' followed by something you have no evidence of is to be honest pretty dumb. We know ants can't talk. I can prove that but we can both accept I don't need to. We know they communicate using chemical signals. Again I won't get into that you can read up on it.
But to then go on to say 'yes GOD DID IT'. Is a truly pointless argument because you can't support it! So why make points you can't support I'll just keep pointing out theres no evidence.
MumblingMickey 10 months ago
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JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago
@JESUSRULESFOREVER777 Wow you are a moron. I predicted you would commit the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY, warned you against it, and you STILL DID IT. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
InTheImageOfDNA 10 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL As for the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY: I'm sure the ONE TRUE GOD, (that would be the GOD of Abraham), will get a really LOL out of it. As for me and my house I'll serve the Lord (GOD Almighty)!
JESUSRULESFOREVER777 10 months ago