I'm 17 years old and love Yes. It's really funny watching all you 40-60 year olds arguing about who is the better guitarist....by now I would have thought you'd have put aside your differences and realize that everyone has a different taste in music. I'm a Rabin fan but I don't go around trying to change others opinions about him or Howe. I just accept that everyone in this world is unique and that music is so powerful because it connects and inspires everyone in different ways. Nuff said...
As great as Trevor is, I think his solo was a ridiculous, over the top attempt to liven up the sing. Didn't do justice to the spirit of the music at all.
HIS OVERUSE OF "TAPS" WAS SOMEWHAT OF AN IRRITANT. PS I DON'T SMOKE POT, LISTEN TO STRASHIP TROUPER ON 'YESSONGS' THAT WILL GET YOU HIGHER THAN ANY DRUG. SAME APPLIES TO JIMI HENDRIX, MUSICALLY THAT IS.
VEGANWTF, WHAY EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY? STEVE HOWE OR FOR THE ENTIRE BAND WERE NOT KNOWN AS STONERS. I JUST READ YOUR OTHER COMMENT WHICH OBVIOUSLY WAS REFERRING TO TREVOR RABIN, AND YES "TAPS" IS WAY OUT OF PLACE. IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES FOR A SECOND YOU'D THINK YOU WERE LISTENING TO VAN/ HAGGAR. HOWEVER IF YOU CHECK OUT VIDS FROM THE 9012 TOUR (1984) HE DID A GOOD JOB THERE WERE STILL MOMENTS OF TAPS BUT NEARLY AS BLATANT ON YOURS IS NO DICGRACE. BOTTOM LINE RABIN WAS NO CHUMP BUT,
LEWARS: THE TERM "OUT THERE WHERE THE BUSES DON'T GO", IS A PLACE THAT NEITHER YOU OR I HAVEN'T BEEN TO, IT'S A PLACE RESERVED FOR SUCH GREAT GUITARIST SUCH AS STEVE HOWE, JIMI HENDRIX, JIMI PAGE, ERIC CLAPTON, BUDDY GUY ETC. LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY I WENT THROUGH 3 COUNT EM 3 YESSONGS ALBUMS. YES TO ME IS 1 OF 5 OF THE GREATEST BANDS TO COME DOWN PIKE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS. AND IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT YOU COULD SAY THE SAME ABOUT EINSTEIN OR FDR. INCREDIBLY TALENTED, BRILLIANT, AND ARE INCREDIBLY
@dthtoneocons1 You've shouted out a comment here which is only understandable to people who know where the buses don't go. If you've been to this place then you should tell us all about it. I know I would like to know, and so would him over there.
@TheZman1963 I always hated "tapping" on the guitar. It's such a cheap technique. Never liked van halen at all. A lot of people think it's impressive, but they don't know any better.
ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE! OMG! YES! YES! YES! I had the great privilege of seeing these guys about 7 times since the early 70's. THE BEST CONCERTS I'VE EVER BEEN TO!
I like some of what Trevor did, but he lost me a bit when he stretched things out of the range of the song, though it was clear that he and Alan were having fun. . .
A really great example of the different styles of Howe and Rabin - Howe is far more jazzy and classical in his background while Rabin is pure shred rock.... both are great, Howe is greater.
@kickerofelves123 NO Steve bounces up and down, makes faces and shakes like he's having a seizure alot of the time. This is his style. Watch other guitarists out there they all have some sort of little moves. The fact that Rabin bows is to acknowledgwe the audiences appreciation. It's called courtesy.
Listining to Rabin after Howe is like finishing off a Fine bottle of wine with a Big Mac....You just ruined it..In this song Rabin just adds NOISE..Sorry but Noise that hurts peoples ears is NOT Music..
I feel the same way as you about Yessongs. Here's the deal: The LP has part of Steve's solo cut out. Get the DVD/VHS of Yessongs. It is different from the LP (tape/DVD) and much better - especially when you can watch him and almost see his mind working. It's the same exact show, just not cut. Unfortunately, the "artistic pyschedelia' that gets edited into that video makes you miss viewing a lot of the concert. Nonetheless it's an excellent view of a timeless work.
Some serious Rabin bashing going on. Does anybody realize how incredible that performance was? Musical masturbation when he breads into Bach's 4th invention in D min at 2:34 ? That takes some serious chops
There's nothing wrong with a little noise - but I would prefer to keep my metal and my progressive rock in separate corners. [That's not to say I have anything against progressive metal, but this is YES, for crying out loud.]
Steve Howe is Yes' true guitarist in every sense. Rabin, while a pretty cool guy, and an unquestionable virtuoso, is not.
I Love all these guys. To see it as Steve vs Trevor makes zero sense to me. Both are different and incredible. It's not a competition, it's a performance by master musicians. This tour was magical.
Well said sir.. For me, the point of this is to illustrate a diversity of individual manner. Each musician is in their own right an equal contributor to the overall sum of the group.
i don't believed that to steve have he liked trevor's improv. especially with that robot-precise fast progressed whole tone scale lol, and alan's simple but articulated drumming takes him where he is now
Steve Howe came into the band and The Yes Album came forth. Prior to that the band was about to be canceled by Atlantic. Trevor is a true virtuoso guitarist but, it's doubtful that he would have had any of the innovations which developed in Yes (after Steve's entrance). Steve has to be the missing, magic ingredient that Jon and Chris lacked on the first 2 albums. Jon's writing matured, to be sure but, it was Steves ideas and energy that made the composition in their songs gel. Steve did that.
yes trevor rabin is a good shredd master but introduce him on yes is like Joe Satriani or Steve Vai woul try to play with them Steve Howe Have a great Technique wich it's inique, with a very clean and sweet guitar tone his tecnique is very complicated try to play StarShip Trooper solo and become so dificult to make two guitars sound in one guitar also i will like to see trevor plays THE CLAP and i don't think that would easy to play but in my opinion trevor is an amazing gym of guitar
My only wish is that they have one last Union Tour before any of them stop performing. And YES! That even means getting Trevor out of the movie soundtrack business and performing.
Biggest mistake Rabin made was to agree to change the name cinema to yes. From that point onwards his talent was under recognised because of Yes purist progos who could not understand rabin repesented a different generation. Rabin is much much more of a guitarist and Yes progos should be ashamed for forever knocjking the man. It was his songs which revived yes - I mean c'mon, does everyone remember the disaster called Tormato? WTFWTAA??? Rabin's solo is wonderfully jazzy - Pat metheny on warp!
This is why general statements like "yes progos" (whatever the hell that means) are a bad idea. I've been a fan of Yes since Fragile; very devoted fan, seen them dozens of times, got autographs, etc. etc. And I love Rabin's stuff too. It is, in fact, very different. But that doesn't make it bad. In fact it's quite good, I listen to it frequently. Oh, and it absolutely did revive Yes. As many of the members have said. So keep the snide generalizations and bring on the Trevor!
I saw this tour and I don't remember Steve and Trevor going off on such a tangent (the soloing at one point didn't fit the song). Steve always changes around his soloing when playing live. Sometimes its like wow, watch him go, other times its like Steve, come back to earth, please. lol
OK, so Rabin's solo on this doesn't sound like traditional Yes. Who cares?
I'm sure that there's Yes " purists " out there who will hate me for this, but personally, I think his style brought a fresh sound to the song if only for one night during each show of that tour.
yes it's different but as you said it takes it too far in a completely odd direction. In fact too much like 80's Van Halen. Nevertheless, It's interesting too say the least!
Trevor Rabin was brought in for one reason- To write more COMMERCIAL TUNES! As far as I am concerned it was a big step backwards. Rabin tried to do the same thing to YES that Phil Collins did to Genesis- RUIN THEM!
Rabin's an extremely talented player, no doubt, I just couldn't enjoy his solo nearly as much as Steve's. At some point he just lost all connection with the song, and that's when I lost interest in the solo.
In viewing this video I always that it was a simple exercise to illustrate the individual brilliance of both Steve Howe and Trevor Rabin. There is no debate that their styles contrast, however I feel that they are similar in the sense that their playing is chameleonic. They both possess such complexity and versatility within their playing. Simply amazing that two incredible guitarists could occupy the stage simultaneously. A true privilege to watch and enjoy....Bravo!
Trevor Rabin is like G3 players to many of pyrotechnic but his sense and technique is just practice nothing artisanal too fast in that case i prefer Paul Gilbert style or Eric Johnson.
AND Steve Howe is so Beautiful and artisanal and complicated style very mathematical He and many others guitarist like Robert Fripp, Jimmy, Hendrix, Allan Holdsworth, Steve Hackett, Adrian Belew, Jimmy Page, Jef Beck, and many others are the masters of the new fast guitarists.
to dbaytug...perhaps Steve Howe realized that YES music should be timless and not entrenched in the mire that was `80`s Van Halen rip-off. Steve Howe knew that, it seems Trevor Rabin did not? Trevor Rabin with YES...dated, Steve Howe with YES...still timeless.
Perhaps Steve Howe lost that particular battle...though he did not lose the war.
Saw Steve Howe on his birthday in Holland last week with Asia playing round about (and more!). Could not agree more with you. Maybe perhaps about the 'loosing' part. The feeling, the sound and musical touch have to be taken into account too and not only speed (when talkin about a battle at all)
You're correct there. Howe is the one who formed Yes and they wouldn't be Yes if it wasn't for his guitar work. But to bring in a special guest as a special treat at a rock concert, it makes it quite a fun show!
Howe did not form Yes. He was added on the 2nd or 3rd album. You are right, his guitar work is associated with the classic Yes sound of the 70's, but most of old-time progrockers consider the lineup on Fragile and Close to the Edge as the definitive one, and Steve Howe agrees. The addition of Wakeman on keyboards really completed the progrock sound and established Yes forever in that genre.
Howe and Wakeman both play on Fragile and Close to the Edge. That being said, I like all the guys in Yes, and to me, all four guitarists, Peter, Steve, Trevor and Billy, are huge talents and better than any of us commenting here.
Regardless of how you feel about any of their musical abilities - what's amazing to me is how competitive Howe is personally with the legacy of both Banks and Rabin and their respective relationships to Yes history. It just smacks of insecurity.
I remember reading an interview with Jonathan Mover (GTR drummer) where he mentioned some pretty insecure/childish behavior from both Howe and Hackett. Too bad.
I saw Yes in Dallas, TX back in '93 or '94, and had the privilege of getting to hear both Howe and Rabin play on the same stage.
This reminds me of my youth and watching those drum battles between the masters Buddy Rich and Ed Shaughnessy. Two distintly different styles, both massters of their art. Howe and Rabin are much like that.
It's okay to prefer one over the other. But, to denounce one or the other shows a lack of appreciation for good music, and these artists contribution to Yes.
AS you said "in your opinion" and I respect that and understand where you are coming from. I just don't see anything being done badly here and as for meshing it's an improvisational solo/jam! This is what you do and where you do it!There are/were hundreds of concerts/videos where the solo section is done note for note and extraordinarily so! It's cool to see a different twist every now and then!We're both on the same side here just at odds on this one! Prog rock on!
If the definition of a purist is to be close minded then I'll grant you that! mlester72 has a perfectly reasonable take on this performance and obviously if it was ok with Yes to solo in this way then who are you to question their judgement! Each player has their niche and the solo section here showcases them beautifully!
I think the two solos (or two guitar/drum pieces if you will) bookend the 'classic' and 'future' Yes. Howe shows us stylistic invention using interval and counterpoint; Rabin goes supersonic using multi-finger tapping and pyrotechnics. Thing is, each player owns his bit. Plus, it's not all the Rabin show in the second - he's actually right there with White and the symbiosis is gorgeous. And if you ask me, Rabin is OWNING Eddie and Yngvie in his bit.
All the Eddie comparisons....as if he invented it. Steve Hackett and others were doing it years before Eddie. Rabin does a fantastic job, although most of his solo is more McLaughlin than Van Halen, or Hackett for that matter. As far as "uncharacteristic" goes, it's tough to apply that word to a band like Yes. Take some parts of TFTO or Relayer...some of Rabin's bits are rather reminiscent of that!
this coming from a musician: despite how uncharacteristic of yes that solo is, it still shows tremendous knowledge and playing ability. And personally, a metal breakdown in the middle of a yes song is rly freakin epic
The `Marty McRabin` notion would be most awfully humourous if it weren`t for half the audience thinking "fuck awff you Eddie Van Halen masturbator....why don`t you find your own style...it`s not like we haven`t heard fret wanking before"....Queue for an early Steve Howe clip? It takes all sorts....it just takes all sorts to be there FIRST!
It appears the old `CLOSE TO THE EDGE` versus `90125` generation raises it`s shaggy head. One album is timeless, unique and genre defining...one album is dated, mono-structured and devoid of character. You takes your pick. No names!
Cor Blimey....Trevor Rabin applies his `Ive heard eddie van halen and mimicked his technique` talents to this great song and murders it! With Steve Howe you hear layers of learned ability, with Trevor Rabin you hear dated technique and dated styles. Who in their right mind hired Trevor Rabin to `play` with YES?
Relating to some of the comments below: Rabin and Howe are both talented. Rabin is fantastic on electric, but Howe is a true master on acoustic with advanced right hand technique.
EVH has more record sales. Stupid comment. If talent were based on record sales you would have Paco De Lucia the richest guitarist on the planet. EVH is adolescent anyway compared to the talents of YES.
but EVH has sold an 100X more records than yes, steve howe , or trevor rabin put together..more than Jimi and almost as many as Zep...so EVH must be doing something impressivly right...
They're first albums are great, even timeless, as you say, but later on they were happy to find and evern ask for Rabin's material... I think Squire just did a smart business decision getting him on the band, to rev up the old giant
Yeah, the drummers have a lot of fun with Rabin's solo, but when Anderson starts singings, you get the feeling Rabin is playing in the wrong band. Sure, without him Yes would sound old fashioned, but also "truer"
Have to say that I don't particularly rate Steve Howe when he is forced to play songs. Check out his pretty lame rendition of Owner of a Lonely Heart. It's on here somewhere. The opening chords just seem too "restrained" for the song.
Having said that, I like Rabin and Howe in equal measures. I don't think Rabin plays classic Yes songs as well as Howe does, and vice versa. They have different styles that can't be put aside.
Howe playing like Rabin sounds....odd. If I recall correctly Howe eventually tried to sound more like Rabin in Asia. Then Asia got Pat Thrall and sounded....better.
Rabin and Howe are radically DIFFERENT guitarists. Trevor has more in the way of technique and versatility with the instrument. Steve is better on feel, and his versatility comes in the form of playing many different guitar-type instruments. I enjoyed both solos here...although I felt that Trevor did a bit of showing off, whereas Steve was trying to say something. Two masters of two different schools, each doing their part within the framework of the song.
I remember seeing Yes on this tour at the Meadowlands in NJ. Both Howe and Rabin performed acoustic solos; at the time I thought Rabin had too much flash and not enough substance to his solo, especially when put against a medley of "The Clap" and "Mood for a Day". There's just no comparison...
yes rabin is a great guitarist/producer(gramy winner i think) but steve howe is much more a pure guitarist in the jazz vein. also his classical work is steps beyond trevor.
I can ease minds as to who is more skillful, without a doubt...Trevor. I worked on the Union tour and the TALK tour, and know first hand, most guitar for the Union show Rabin tried during rehearsals to teach Howe, unsuccessfully, and Rabin ended up picking up most of the slack in this band, whether it be taking over where Steve cannot keep up, or arranging the show in its entirety, including all old YES. Steve is great, but when it comes to overall musicianship, Rabin takes the grail.
omg guys quick picking these dudes apart geesh they were getting old in 1991 to me it just looks like their haveing a blast jamming with each other and loveing every min in front of their fans thats the best part of playing music spending time with your friends all of them band members and audience
I know it's cliche' but Steve has forgotten more than Trever will ever know. Every note that Steve plays matters, where as none of them that Trever plays does. If you turned down the volume he'd be all done.
As much as Steve owns this song, (which he does) at least Trevor isn't trying to copy him. Nothing sounds worse than a guitarist trying to copy another's style mid-song, as most of the time it backfires and sounds absolutly horrible.
No one ever talks about Anderson yet he is 70% of these songs. Such a small man but he's really the boss and just as talented as Howe. The common denominator of the Yes songs I like is ones with Bruford and Kaye..
Steve Howe is the originator of the guitar landscape of 'Yours Is No Disgrace.' Trevor simply added a raw and wild(er) version of what that landscape sound like. Trevor's solo was an acceptable addition to this particular version of the song.
Trevor and Steve are both excellent guitarists. They approach Rock from different angles that's all. It's my personal and slightly biased opinion that Steve Howe is outrageously better than Trevor Rabin, however, Trevor is no slouch. Oh, and by the way... there's no 'E' in OWNS...LOL!
Trevor obviously intended to outplay Steve in his solo by doing all those tapping stuff. As good as a player he is, Steve ownes all these classics. These songs never sounded right with Trevor playing all the lead parts.
Whoever made these videos did a good job of balancing Rabin-era stuff with Howe-era stuff. I am impressed. (Not my favorite Howe solo, but still incredible nonetheless)
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I'm 17 years old and love Yes. It's really funny watching all you 40-60 year olds arguing about who is the better guitarist....by now I would have thought you'd have put aside your differences and realize that everyone has a different taste in music. I'm a Rabin fan but I don't go around trying to change others opinions about him or Howe. I just accept that everyone in this world is unique and that music is so powerful because it connects and inspires everyone in different ways. Nuff said...
lightingcue1 1 month ago
As great as Trevor is, I think his solo was a ridiculous, over the top attempt to liven up the sing. Didn't do justice to the spirit of the music at all.
sportster16301 4 months ago
Lord have mercy! this is incredible! Steve Howe and Trevor Rabin are fast, but I had no idea how solid and fast Alan White is!
derbystardom 7 months ago
HIS OVERUSE OF "TAPS" WAS SOMEWHAT OF AN IRRITANT. PS I DON'T SMOKE POT, LISTEN TO STRASHIP TROUPER ON 'YESSONGS' THAT WILL GET YOU HIGHER THAN ANY DRUG. SAME APPLIES TO JIMI HENDRIX, MUSICALLY THAT IS.
dthtoneocons1 8 months ago
VEGANWTF, WHAY EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY? STEVE HOWE OR FOR THE ENTIRE BAND WERE NOT KNOWN AS STONERS. I JUST READ YOUR OTHER COMMENT WHICH OBVIOUSLY WAS REFERRING TO TREVOR RABIN, AND YES "TAPS" IS WAY OUT OF PLACE. IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES FOR A SECOND YOU'D THINK YOU WERE LISTENING TO VAN/ HAGGAR. HOWEVER IF YOU CHECK OUT VIDS FROM THE 9012 TOUR (1984) HE DID A GOOD JOB THERE WERE STILL MOMENTS OF TAPS BUT NEARLY AS BLATANT ON YOURS IS NO DICGRACE. BOTTOM LINE RABIN WAS NO CHUMP BUT,
dthtoneocons1 8 months ago
GIFTED IN THEIR OWN DISCIPLINES. I HOPE YOU WEREN'T THINKING I WAS BAD MOUTHING MR STEVE HOWE.
dthtoneocons1 9 months ago
LEWARS: THE TERM "OUT THERE WHERE THE BUSES DON'T GO", IS A PLACE THAT NEITHER YOU OR I HAVEN'T BEEN TO, IT'S A PLACE RESERVED FOR SUCH GREAT GUITARIST SUCH AS STEVE HOWE, JIMI HENDRIX, JIMI PAGE, ERIC CLAPTON, BUDDY GUY ETC. LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY I WENT THROUGH 3 COUNT EM 3 YESSONGS ALBUMS. YES TO ME IS 1 OF 5 OF THE GREATEST BANDS TO COME DOWN PIKE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS. AND IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT YOU COULD SAY THE SAME ABOUT EINSTEIN OR FDR. INCREDIBLY TALENTED, BRILLIANT, AND ARE INCREDIBLY
dthtoneocons1 9 months ago
BOTTOM LINE, STEVE HOWE IS OUT THERE WHERE THE BUSES DON'T GO!!!!!!
dthtoneocons1 9 months ago
@dthtoneocons1 You've shouted out a comment here which is only understandable to people who know where the buses don't go. If you've been to this place then you should tell us all about it. I know I would like to know, and so would him over there.
lewars1912 9 months ago
@dthtoneocons1 That is what happens when you smoke a few joints ..... hehehe, like Steve has done.
VeganWTF 8 months ago
TREVOR RABIN! Damn that's good stuff...
FatticusStout 1 year ago
2:14 thru 4:25 = Eddie Van Halen meets Yes = Uggghhh.
TheZman1963 1 year ago 2
@TheZman1963 I always hated "tapping" on the guitar. It's such a cheap technique. Never liked van halen at all. A lot of people think it's impressive, but they don't know any better.
VeganWTF 8 months ago
Trevor Rabin Won !!! hahahaha
rodrigodlm 1 year ago
ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE! OMG! YES! YES! YES! I had the great privilege of seeing these guys about 7 times since the early 70's. THE BEST CONCERTS I'VE EVER BEEN TO!
iwillrocknroll4eva 1 year ago
Argh... Rabin's solo is so out of place...
elsapucai 1 year ago
I like some of what Trevor did, but he lost me a bit when he stretched things out of the range of the song, though it was clear that he and Alan were having fun. . .
BrettValentine 1 year ago
Not to mention Bill Bruford pounding the skins above and beyond Alan White.
mtrsgt 1 year ago
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I love Trevor and his solos, but this solo doesn't match the theme of the song well at all. His rhythm playing here is absolutely beautiful, though.
stalrunner 1 year ago
just incredible beyond belief!
nintendo64isking 1 year ago
A really great example of the different styles of Howe and Rabin - Howe is far more jazzy and classical in his background while Rabin is pure shred rock.... both are great, Howe is greater.
uk6strings 1 year ago 2
Sorry, I can't stand when Trevor bows in the middle of the song... you don't see Steve Howe doing that (and I value Steve much higher than Rabin)
kickerofelves123 1 year ago
@kickerofelves123 NO Steve bounces up and down, makes faces and shakes like he's having a seizure alot of the time. This is his style. Watch other guitarists out there they all have some sort of little moves. The fact that Rabin bows is to acknowledgwe the audiences appreciation. It's called courtesy.
angel11458 1 year ago
Listining to Rabin after Howe is like finishing off a Fine bottle of wine with a Big Mac....You just ruined it..In this song Rabin just adds NOISE..Sorry but Noise that hurts peoples ears is NOT Music..
rdesarle 1 year ago
@rdesarle LA guitar stylings after Howe, tacky innit?
TruNordic 1 year ago
Rabin has his place ... and it's NOT in classic Yes tunes.
fartalator2000 1 year ago 2
@compassionrepublican
I feel the same way as you about Yessongs. Here's the deal: The LP has part of Steve's solo cut out. Get the DVD/VHS of Yessongs. It is different from the LP (tape/DVD) and much better - especially when you can watch him and almost see his mind working. It's the same exact show, just not cut. Unfortunately, the "artistic pyschedelia' that gets edited into that video makes you miss viewing a lot of the concert. Nonetheless it's an excellent view of a timeless work.
rapskallion 1 year ago
I'm a little more interested in in the differences of style between Tony Kaye and Rick Wakeman. But that's just me.
EcksAddikMcAddik 1 year ago
@EcksAddikMcAddik
Ha!
fartalator2000 1 year ago
That John McLaughlin quote Trevor does is killer
TheBass2themax 1 year ago
Saw 'Union" tour in Philly, they blew me away! Thanks for posting this!
Tonybugle 1 year ago
WOW! They didn't do the guitar breakdown when I saw them play this on this tour. Awesome!
drewper73 1 year ago
I am now happier!
shoegooguru 1 year ago
THis is just good musicianship, and good entertainment. They put on a good show
nordhill92 1 year ago
I like Steve better, both guys are guitar gods, but Steve plays with more feeling, and
IMO has a much better tone.
chrisasom 1 year ago
My god, Steve Howe is a crazy bastard.
ChartreuseEmu 2 years ago
@nanaimo757 INDEED!
Tonybugle 2 years ago
I do not want to come up against Trevor Rabin in a Guitar Hero head to head.....but I do want Yes on the next GH release.
CHANNELCAMEL 2 years ago
that's bullshit, totaly BULL-SHIT
slapfunker 2 years ago
look, goddammit, Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face. How many times do i have to tell you?
MaximusRelaximus 2 years ago
yes, even if trevor kind of fucks up the guitar solos on the union tour and the 90215 album, i love all yes
nucleardude11 2 years ago
Well, I consider myself a musician, but these guys are all gods. How many of us armchair musicians could keep up with anyone on that stage?
GreatBigBore 2 years ago 2
Some serious Rabin bashing going on. Does anybody realize how incredible that performance was? Musical masturbation when he breads into Bach's 4th invention in D min at 2:34 ? That takes some serious chops
nordhill92 2 years ago
@nordhill92 Then he goes into Dance of Maya by the Mahavishnu Orchestra at 3:00.
benvye 1 year ago
I like 90125.
I like CLASSIC.
I don't like struggling of mastery of these.
It's so useless.
net3211 2 years ago
rabin rules.
inthecresents 2 years ago
Ironic to see Trevor's stage masturbation in a song like "Yours is no disgrace"
He just doesn't get it and it's kind of embarrasing
MrTonemaster 2 years ago
Steve makes music, Rabin makes NOISE.
rdesarle 2 years ago
There's nothing wrong with a little noise - but I would prefer to keep my metal and my progressive rock in separate corners. [That's not to say I have anything against progressive metal, but this is YES, for crying out loud.]
Steve Howe is Yes' true guitarist in every sense. Rabin, while a pretty cool guy, and an unquestionable virtuoso, is not.
4SCEND4NT 2 years ago
I Love all these guys. To see it as Steve vs Trevor makes zero sense to me. Both are different and incredible. It's not a competition, it's a performance by master musicians. This tour was magical.
mrmundungus 2 years ago 17
Well said sir.. For me, the point of this is to illustrate a diversity of individual manner. Each musician is in their own right an equal contributor to the overall sum of the group.
BarbarosDerby132 2 years ago 4
@mrmundungus On the other hand, Trevor ripped the shit out of Steve..
TheBass2themax 1 year ago
@mrmundungus I agree well said. Both Howe and Rabin kick ass.
stockjonebills 10 months ago
No one can compete with Steve Howe
krasenkov 2 years ago 2
i don't believed that to steve have he liked trevor's improv. especially with that robot-precise fast progressed whole tone scale lol, and alan's simple but articulated drumming takes him where he is now
marez71 2 years ago
This was the foundation of my young adult life, and it still impacts me just as much. For me, it is music of all time.
georiorico 2 years ago
Steve Howe came into the band and The Yes Album came forth. Prior to that the band was about to be canceled by Atlantic. Trevor is a true virtuoso guitarist but, it's doubtful that he would have had any of the innovations which developed in Yes (after Steve's entrance). Steve has to be the missing, magic ingredient that Jon and Chris lacked on the first 2 albums. Jon's writing matured, to be sure but, it was Steves ideas and energy that made the composition in their songs gel. Steve did that.
AllusCats 2 years ago
But Steve Is Avant Art Progressive Jazz
Satiaraha 2 years ago
yes trevor rabin is a good shredd master but introduce him on yes is like Joe Satriani or Steve Vai woul try to play with them Steve Howe Have a great Technique wich it's inique, with a very clean and sweet guitar tone his tecnique is very complicated try to play StarShip Trooper solo and become so dificult to make two guitars sound in one guitar also i will like to see trevor plays THE CLAP and i don't think that would easy to play but in my opinion trevor is an amazing gym of guitar
Satiaraha 2 years ago
@Satiaraha haha it's lika that g3 tour they made with Bob Fripp
lamecasuelas2 1 month ago
My only wish is that they have one last Union Tour before any of them stop performing. And YES! That even means getting Trevor out of the movie soundtrack business and performing.
dhtuttle 2 years ago
the one in the electric drums is white, and the other one is burford??
cidmorgan 2 years ago
actually is the oposite
Satiaraha 2 years ago
Biggest mistake Rabin made was to agree to change the name cinema to yes. From that point onwards his talent was under recognised because of Yes purist progos who could not understand rabin repesented a different generation. Rabin is much much more of a guitarist and Yes progos should be ashamed for forever knocjking the man. It was his songs which revived yes - I mean c'mon, does everyone remember the disaster called Tormato? WTFWTAA??? Rabin's solo is wonderfully jazzy - Pat metheny on warp!
dbaytug 2 years ago
This is why general statements like "yes progos" (whatever the hell that means) are a bad idea. I've been a fan of Yes since Fragile; very devoted fan, seen them dozens of times, got autographs, etc. etc. And I love Rabin's stuff too. It is, in fact, very different. But that doesn't make it bad. In fact it's quite good, I listen to it frequently. Oh, and it absolutely did revive Yes. As many of the members have said. So keep the snide generalizations and bring on the Trevor!
kdaltonbarrett 2 years ago
I just picture this guy blasting away space aliens as he shreds this monster of a solo.
kickerofelves123 2 years ago 2
Rabin loco metalero, usted y el señor White me sacaron de quicio !
sabe como hacer un verdadero concierto de rock !
diosesygenerales 2 years ago
Rabin... maldito desgraciado...
en que rayos has convertido esta canción ??
ya no es tan cásico como howe construyó!
diosesygenerales 2 years ago
the guitar is kicks arse
how the hell do you play the main solo for this song?
xxissyxxluvinxyaxx 2 years ago
I saw this tour and I don't remember Steve and Trevor going off on such a tangent (the soloing at one point didn't fit the song). Steve always changes around his soloing when playing live. Sometimes its like wow, watch him go, other times its like Steve, come back to earth, please. lol
SiberianMan2u 2 years ago
OK, so Rabin's solo on this doesn't sound like traditional Yes. Who cares?
I'm sure that there's Yes " purists " out there who will hate me for this, but personally, I think his style brought a fresh sound to the song if only for one night during each show of that tour.
bigal838 2 years ago
yes it's different but as you said it takes it too far in a completely odd direction. In fact too much like 80's Van Halen. Nevertheless, It's interesting too say the least!
wigginsdesign 2 years ago
Trevor Rabin was brought in for one reason- To write more COMMERCIAL TUNES! As far as I am concerned it was a big step backwards. Rabin tried to do the same thing to YES that Phil Collins did to Genesis- RUIN THEM!
amazrand 2 years ago
Trevor Rabin wasn't brought in for anything. Trevor Rabin formed CINEMA with former Yes members - then they brought in Anderson!
gunstar9 2 years ago 2
All I Know Is When You Buy The Cd's or DVDs it says YES on the cover.
amazrand 2 years ago
it looks like a guitar contest
cidmorgan 2 years ago
Rabin's an extremely talented player, no doubt, I just couldn't enjoy his solo nearly as much as Steve's. At some point he just lost all connection with the song, and that's when I lost interest in the solo.
THEDukeNukem 2 years ago 2
Re: All comments of Rabin's overly-fast playing: If you follow that line of thought to its logical conclusion, then Allan Holdsworth sucks.
Are you gonna make that foolhardy statement? I don't think so.
bergerdrum 2 years ago 2
So much talent in that band.
deoTS1 2 years ago
Howe!!!!
jamesnorthernva 2 years ago
In viewing this video I always that it was a simple exercise to illustrate the individual brilliance of both Steve Howe and Trevor Rabin. There is no debate that their styles contrast, however I feel that they are similar in the sense that their playing is chameleonic. They both possess such complexity and versatility within their playing. Simply amazing that two incredible guitarists could occupy the stage simultaneously. A true privilege to watch and enjoy....Bravo!
BarbarosDerby132 2 years ago 3
Trevor Rabin is like G3 players to many of pyrotechnic but his sense and technique is just practice nothing artisanal too fast in that case i prefer Paul Gilbert style or Eric Johnson.
AND Steve Howe is so Beautiful and artisanal and complicated style very mathematical He and many others guitarist like Robert Fripp, Jimmy, Hendrix, Allan Holdsworth, Steve Hackett, Adrian Belew, Jimmy Page, Jef Beck, and many others are the masters of the new fast guitarists.
Satiaraha 2 years ago
This is pretty fuckin' awesome, this is a rock fest!
Noah58 2 years ago
to dbaytug...perhaps Steve Howe realized that YES music should be timless and not entrenched in the mire that was `80`s Van Halen rip-off. Steve Howe knew that, it seems Trevor Rabin did not? Trevor Rabin with YES...dated, Steve Howe with YES...still timeless.
Perhaps Steve Howe lost that particular battle...though he did not lose the war.
Johnnywr 2 years ago 2
Saw Steve Howe on his birthday in Holland last week with Asia playing round about (and more!). Could not agree more with you. Maybe perhaps about the 'loosing' part. The feeling, the sound and musical touch have to be taken into account too and not only speed (when talkin about a battle at all)
juulbrie 2 years ago
You're correct there. Howe is the one who formed Yes and they wouldn't be Yes if it wasn't for his guitar work. But to bring in a special guest as a special treat at a rock concert, it makes it quite a fun show!
Noah58 2 years ago
Howe did not form Yes. He was added on the 2nd or 3rd album. You are right, his guitar work is associated with the classic Yes sound of the 70's, but most of old-time progrockers consider the lineup on Fragile and Close to the Edge as the definitive one, and Steve Howe agrees. The addition of Wakeman on keyboards really completed the progrock sound and established Yes forever in that genre.
hammondman100 2 years ago
Howe and Wakeman both play on Fragile and Close to the Edge. That being said, I like all the guys in Yes, and to me, all four guitarists, Peter, Steve, Trevor and Billy, are huge talents and better than any of us commenting here.
LeoHareMusic 2 years ago
Howe could not compete with Rabin that's why he is such a bitch to him. Saddo.
dbaytug 3 years ago
Regardless of how you feel about any of their musical abilities - what's amazing to me is how competitive Howe is personally with the legacy of both Banks and Rabin and their respective relationships to Yes history. It just smacks of insecurity.
Algorhythmiq 2 years ago
I remember reading an interview with Jonathan Mover (GTR drummer) where he mentioned some pretty insecure/childish behavior from both Howe and Hackett. Too bad.
bergerdrum 2 years ago 3
Fantastic!!!
Grandma Mary
Fr3derick 3 years ago
Steve Howe solo is amazing
julyvalls 3 years ago
But you're right, Steve Howe is the man!
Noah58 3 years ago
yes you are right It´s Steve Howe
julyvalls 3 years ago
Rabin's a pretty good guitarist.
Noah58 3 years ago
I saw Yes in Dallas, TX back in '93 or '94, and had the privilege of getting to hear both Howe and Rabin play on the same stage.
This reminds me of my youth and watching those drum battles between the masters Buddy Rich and Ed Shaughnessy. Two distintly different styles, both massters of their art. Howe and Rabin are much like that.
It's okay to prefer one over the other. But, to denounce one or the other shows a lack of appreciation for good music, and these artists contribution to Yes.
RoninTXBR549 3 years ago 15
At least the drummer, I think Alan White, is listening to both of them.
chipndipin 3 years ago 2
AS you said "in your opinion" and I respect that and understand where you are coming from. I just don't see anything being done badly here and as for meshing it's an improvisational solo/jam! This is what you do and where you do it!There are/were hundreds of concerts/videos where the solo section is done note for note and extraordinarily so! It's cool to see a different twist every now and then!We're both on the same side here just at odds on this one! Prog rock on!
rickyon 3 years ago
If the definition of a purist is to be close minded then I'll grant you that! mlester72 has a perfectly reasonable take on this performance and obviously if it was ok with Yes to solo in this way then who are you to question their judgement! Each player has their niche and the solo section here showcases them beautifully!
rickyon 3 years ago
I think the two solos (or two guitar/drum pieces if you will) bookend the 'classic' and 'future' Yes. Howe shows us stylistic invention using interval and counterpoint; Rabin goes supersonic using multi-finger tapping and pyrotechnics. Thing is, each player owns his bit. Plus, it's not all the Rabin show in the second - he's actually right there with White and the symbiosis is gorgeous. And if you ask me, Rabin is OWNING Eddie and Yngvie in his bit.
mlester72 3 years ago
the thing is, rabin shreds like a beast but he doesn't play stylisticly. this solo does not fit at all in this song.
ledzep129 3 years ago
lol @ rick 5:26
dzdarragh 3 years ago
any1 remember that part in back to the future at the dance when he played that solo? this is the real life equivalent
ledzep129 3 years ago
awesome!
Smokeyfender 3 years ago
All the Eddie comparisons....as if he invented it. Steve Hackett and others were doing it years before Eddie. Rabin does a fantastic job, although most of his solo is more McLaughlin than Van Halen, or Hackett for that matter. As far as "uncharacteristic" goes, it's tough to apply that word to a band like Yes. Take some parts of TFTO or Relayer...some of Rabin's bits are rather reminiscent of that!
infocus 3 years ago
this coming from a musician: despite how uncharacteristic of yes that solo is, it still shows tremendous knowledge and playing ability. And personally, a metal breakdown in the middle of a yes song is rly freakin epic
ledzep129 3 years ago
The `Marty McRabin` notion would be most awfully humourous if it weren`t for half the audience thinking "fuck awff you Eddie Van Halen masturbator....why don`t you find your own style...it`s not like we haven`t heard fret wanking before"....Queue for an early Steve Howe clip? It takes all sorts....it just takes all sorts to be there FIRST!
Johnnywr 3 years ago
It appears the old `CLOSE TO THE EDGE` versus `90125` generation raises it`s shaggy head. One album is timeless, unique and genre defining...one album is dated, mono-structured and devoid of character. You takes your pick. No names!
Johnnywr 3 years ago
you're right. the nerve those guys! how could they let someone who could entertain the audience into the band?
segusband 3 years ago
Cor Blimey....Trevor Rabin applies his `Ive heard eddie van halen and mimicked his technique` talents to this great song and murders it! With Steve Howe you hear layers of learned ability, with Trevor Rabin you hear dated technique and dated styles. Who in their right mind hired Trevor Rabin to `play` with YES?
Johnnywr 3 years ago
"Who in their right mind hired Trevor Rabin to `play` with YES?"
Umm...YES did.
bergerdrum 2 years ago
Relating to some of the comments below: Rabin and Howe are both talented. Rabin is fantastic on electric, but Howe is a true master on acoustic with advanced right hand technique.
EVH has more record sales. Stupid comment. If talent were based on record sales you would have Paco De Lucia the richest guitarist on the planet. EVH is adolescent anyway compared to the talents of YES.
pithor 3 years ago
3:40 - 3:48
Amazing between Alan and Trevor. Anyone who says any of these guys don't belong in the band...
stop saying so much bullshit.
segusband 3 years ago
people, stop arguing over who belongs in yes and who doesn't. why the hell do you think they did this album/tour? They all are right for the band.
hoty1957 - I really don't like you
segusband 3 years ago
The old Yes the new Yes who cares
YES = Amazing band always
aaroncalavera 3 years ago
I am still so ticked off that I missed that tour. Argh. Of all the times to be broke!
DelmarvaDJ 4 years ago
2:59 Dance of Maya by the Mahavishnu Orchestra
benvye 4 years ago
if trevor is the man to bring yes back into the 21st century then so be it
stokeysk8ter 4 years ago
yes are absolutely brill no matter who plays guitar
stokeysk8ter 4 years ago
but EVH has sold an 100X more records than yes, steve howe , or trevor rabin put together..more than Jimi and almost as many as Zep...so EVH must be doing something impressivly right...
trollgoal 4 years ago
Not quite 100x; maybe 1.5x.
SonOfYoungwood 4 years ago
They're first albums are great, even timeless, as you say, but later on they were happy to find and evern ask for Rabin's material... I think Squire just did a smart business decision getting him on the band, to rev up the old giant
acoronab 4 years ago
Yeah, the drummers have a lot of fun with Rabin's solo, but when Anderson starts singings, you get the feeling Rabin is playing in the wrong band. Sure, without him Yes would sound old fashioned, but also "truer"
acoronab 4 years ago
I like the part starting from 5:37
YES 4ever :)
jurksonhale 4 years ago
BINGO..!!! ITS NOT A CONTEST FOLKS..all great players up there..
MOSKII58 4 years ago 4
nice answer
tevredenman 4 years ago
Also, did anyone notice a similarity to Big Generator at one point during Rabin's solo? :P
violentnavy 4 years ago
Have to say that I don't particularly rate Steve Howe when he is forced to play songs. Check out his pretty lame rendition of Owner of a Lonely Heart. It's on here somewhere. The opening chords just seem too "restrained" for the song.
Having said that, I like Rabin and Howe in equal measures. I don't think Rabin plays classic Yes songs as well as Howe does, and vice versa. They have different styles that can't be put aside.
violentnavy 4 years ago
Howe and Rabin, apples and oranges... both fricken great!
casarojo 4 years ago 2
trevor rabin guitar solo is one of most incredibles i have ever seen!!
carlitoparadise 4 years ago
I've seen Trevor Rabin with YES and was completely blown away by his technique and versatility. One of the best live guitar player I have ever seen.
zoomerx 4 years ago
Does this remind anyone else of what happens in Back to the Future? - Marty McRabin!
danmist 4 years ago
Rabin playing Howe's Yes songs sounds great.
Howe playing like Rabin sounds....odd. If I recall correctly Howe eventually tried to sound more like Rabin in Asia. Then Asia got Pat Thrall and sounded....better.
Cheers all.
Spiccatoarco 4 years ago
Rabin and Howe are radically DIFFERENT guitarists. Trevor has more in the way of technique and versatility with the instrument. Steve is better on feel, and his versatility comes in the form of playing many different guitar-type instruments. I enjoyed both solos here...although I felt that Trevor did a bit of showing off, whereas Steve was trying to say something. Two masters of two different schools, each doing their part within the framework of the song.
infocus 4 years ago
right.
Stratman1920 4 years ago
I remember seeing Yes on this tour at the Meadowlands in NJ. Both Howe and Rabin performed acoustic solos; at the time I thought Rabin had too much flash and not enough substance to his solo, especially when put against a medley of "The Clap" and "Mood for a Day". There's just no comparison...
sequel91 4 years ago
yes rabin is a great guitarist/producer(gramy winner i think) but steve howe is much more a pure guitarist in the jazz vein. also his classical work is steps beyond trevor.
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hxyvsurdujvb 4 years ago
I can ease minds as to who is more skillful, without a doubt...Trevor. I worked on the Union tour and the TALK tour, and know first hand, most guitar for the Union show Rabin tried during rehearsals to teach Howe, unsuccessfully, and Rabin ended up picking up most of the slack in this band, whether it be taking over where Steve cannot keep up, or arranging the show in its entirety, including all old YES. Steve is great, but when it comes to overall musicianship, Rabin takes the grail.
drumboy108 4 years ago 5
hey! that's the youtube culture! :p
alamsemu 4 years ago
STEVE HOWE extrodinaire!
weareglass81 4 years ago
yes steve is the best!!!
julyvalls 3 years ago
hahaha
Algorhythmiq 5 years ago
omg guys quick picking these dudes apart geesh they were getting old in 1991 to me it just looks like their haveing a blast jamming with each other and loveing every min in front of their fans thats the best part of playing music spending time with your friends all of them band members and audience
DocHolliday92966 5 years ago 2
I dont know.. For me Steve Howe is unique, Rabin is not even CLOSE to howe's quality..
gustavito7 5 years ago 2
I have never liked any extended solo in the middle of this song. Also, I really dont like Trevor Rabin's attitude.
jr00262112 5 years ago
I know it's cliche' but Steve has forgotten more than Trever will ever know. Every note that Steve plays matters, where as none of them that Trever plays does. If you turned down the volume he'd be all done.
Relayer6a 5 years ago 2
From 2.15 to 4.25 that just isn't Yes, Rabin a brilliant guitarist but all 64th's and tapping, no soul.Jon sounds good though and excellent drumming.
AFEWGOODMENUK 5 years ago
As much as Steve owns this song, (which he does) at least Trevor isn't trying to copy him. Nothing sounds worse than a guitarist trying to copy another's style mid-song, as most of the time it backfires and sounds absolutly horrible.
Yesfan90125 5 years ago
No one ever talks about Anderson yet he is 70% of these songs. Such a small man but he's really the boss and just as talented as Howe. The common denominator of the Yes songs I like is ones with Bruford and Kaye..
zappatx 5 years ago
I like both howe and rabin. It's all about having your own style and it's nice to hear both of there interpretations.
SodCorley 5 years ago
I agree, dude. I thought it was badass altogether.
Andy8519 5 years ago
Steve Howe is the originator of the guitar landscape of 'Yours Is No Disgrace.' Trevor simply added a raw and wild(er) version of what that landscape sound like. Trevor's solo was an acceptable addition to this particular version of the song.
TrexImages 5 years ago
Trevor and Steve are both excellent guitarists. They approach Rock from different angles that's all. It's my personal and slightly biased opinion that Steve Howe is outrageously better than Trevor Rabin, however, Trevor is no slouch. Oh, and by the way... there's no 'E' in OWNS...LOL!
TrexImages 5 years ago
Trevor obviously intended to outplay Steve in his solo by doing all those tapping stuff. As good as a player he is, Steve ownes all these classics. These songs never sounded right with Trevor playing all the lead parts.
kdlaiusa 5 years ago
That was musical tension at its best...
Thanks for sharing that!!!
1matrix9 5 years ago
Look at Rabin show off... I'm not a fan of his synthetic sound anyway. Howe is the man, no doubt about it.
yes0genesis 5 years ago
they are both awesome in my book.. but.. tapping in YES?
NO
Steve Howe is the man.
Superfrappe 5 years ago
wow, Howe blew the bejesus out of Rabin in this song....
pood2thenoobie 5 years ago
wow...love it...
erkjan 5 years ago
Whoever made these videos did a good job of balancing Rabin-era stuff with Howe-era stuff. I am impressed. (Not my favorite Howe solo, but still incredible nonetheless)
Yesfan90125 5 years ago
Thank you for posting videos from the YES UNION tour. I was afraid I would never get to see Rabin and Howe playing together.
chrisacc82 5 years ago