Homosexual activists understand the power of words.
Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationship being discussed.
The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.
The Founding Fathers looked to Roman Republic as a model of an anti- monarchal state to base the American system on. President, from First Citizen (Principate), the senate etc. Enlightenment looked to Rome and Greece. Just like Rome, women and slaves had limited rights. What they put together wasn't as radical as she is making it out to be. Also, typical American ideology, America has to lead because it is the bastion of democracy, then give e.g. like Iran. How about UK, Australia, Canada etc.?
Ugh, the talk was kinda decent, but then i stopped watching when she started talking about the Founding Fathers being "the original anatomical activists" :T
It surprises me that this discussion didn't mention at all transgender individuals at all. After all the identity transgender arises when a person feels they where born the "wrong" sex, which I think should have fit right into this conversation at some point.
we don't draw the lines between sex...nature does...anatomical disorders that result in people being "intersex" are called disorders because they are so rare when compared to the traditionally male or female. And they are few because nature chose our species to be sexually dimorphic and when nature "chooses" to do something over millions of years of evolution, it doesn't leave clean lines. That doesn't mean nature makes no distinctions.
Don't you find it weird that she's a feminist, while clearly being aware that there is no real definition of what a woman is, and that the better our scientific knowledge, the blurrier the line between male / female?
consciousness is about being able to predict what's going to happen. But identity is all about being able to retain memories, adding to the set of memories, and not loosing them. If the set lost it's ability to update then people consider it as dead. Our body works so that that doesn't happen. Now not only our body that took that role but also our laws that manage our rights. The purpose is love, how to maintain the people's tendency to keep on experiencing interactions forever.
This is idiotic, focusing on commonalities is great for politics and uniting a group of people emotionally, but focusing on commonalities in science is pointless and dangerous. Unabeling us to treat fatal illness in proper way depending on the patients preferences.
@crangdaniel I don't think she was making that argument. What she did say was that society and doctors shouldn't attempt to change the anatomical differences of someone's who's healthy (albeit not the norm). She never said anything about stopping research, or not treating someone who was fatally ill.
@Decktrio I think its is a mistake that "doctors attempt to change the anatomical differences of someone's who's healthy" It takes long education and harsh training to even begin to understand what "decease" is, thats kinda´ the reason why the education is that long. And through that education you will learn a lot of small but significant differences between things that will allow you to make a proper diagnosis of illness. If you apply her "sameness" idea to science you destroy that ability.
@crangdaniel Can you think of any consequences for ill patients if we are not able to define the difference between sick and healthy and if everybody is the same?
She asks a lot of interesting questions. And it seems that 'drawing the line' somewhere will always be necessary, even if it one day gets complicated, because of boy/girl sports, boy/girl schools, and other such endeavors where separation is sometimes used.
@Tolstoievsky That's because it was the intro to a single lecture. Have you ever sat in on an intro to a lecture, the first day of course, and learned something significant?
@kamododragoon look her up online she has several published articles and she wrote "Hermaphroditees and the Medical Invention of Sex", and "Intersex in the Age of Ethics". Which I am sure I have told you about allready. Again she is well published, but there are some issue's I disagree with her about. Mostly issues with choice., free will and the self determining right for oneself to decide what we are. Again she is a great IS parent support advocate and researcher, less so concerning IS rights.
@kamododragoon intersex individuals account for only 1% of live births as recorded by the ISNA. That includes all syndromes that can result in an intersex individual, all of which have known causes and none of which are "natural" because all of them result from a mishap in mitosis, meiosis, or hormonal deficiencies in the womb, none of which occur in most cases. Take Klinefelter's disease, which can occur from a nondisjunction (the failure of chromosomal seperation) in meoisis I or meoisis II
@peaceandparty A lot to respond to. Klinefelter's is caused by a non-disjunction event (the lack of separation between sister chromatids) during meiosis 1 in males and meiosis 2 in females. Since you obviously don't like biology, meiosis is the mechanism that creates gametes which are required for reproduction
So what that the numbers are from the ISNA, the numbers aren't going to jump between regions, as the mechanisms are the same; this isn't magic, its physiology and genetics.
@kamododragoon to make things simple she is very supportive of IS affected people and knowledgeable when they accept the gender of assignment. She is not very good at understanding the damage done especially for those of us who reject the gender of assignment. She offers support the most in or for the Parent run IS support groups. She is less accepted by the masses of angry activists who see her as detrimental to our activism.
So it's better not to separate the twins and instead make them live somewhere outside their culture and language and tell the people there to have your opinion? Very democratic.
@hempartist420 No.. How did you learn this false teaching? One commandment: Love God with all of your heart, soul, and mind, and love your fellows as you love yourself. It is about love. It is about how we are separated from God and have a conflict between the flesh and the spirit. I love all of my fellow humans but that does not entail I love their behavior or usage of identity politics to take away my voice on important matters. You can harden your heart against God but He still loves you
@hempartist420 You fail to see that if there is no Moral Law Giver then there are no objective moral laws. How do you live like that? Or do you borrow Judao-Christian ethics? Again if it is just us and only us then get ready for the extinction event to come.
Now wait a minute. Did she just say that a premature baby (Mary) was born 3 months later than a full-term baby (Henry)? I always thought a premature kid is born before the term is over :P
I don't buy this. This is an example of using fuzzy logic on a 1+1=x equation, and instead of getting getting 2, liberals wings of science might now say the answer is actually 'something around the location, quality, quantity, and idea of 2'. It's making the abnormal normal instead of letting it retain its uniqueness. The answer is to love those people more, not change the academic idea of society into universal amoral tolerance.
@hempartist420 I don't think it is better to have believers in the delusion of atheism. I am commanded to love God and others and myself is third but in all three levels love is meaningful. I have the same feelings regarding separation of Church and State as Jesus does. You may not understand Jesus's teachings but understand enough to know that Jesus was in no way a political activist. Yes logic is critical to understand why God is the basis of human rights and natural law.
@rusty2029 tell me, is it right to command love? is god the basis of human rights since he himself gave instructions about how to handle your slave rather than to prohibit slavery?
@rusty2029 now, what you really mean to say is that I don't know much about christian theology so therefore I am wrong(according to you). pathetic. Leviticus 25:44-46, Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 21:7-11--these are the verses from your bible about slavery. what I gave are questions and you did not answer any of the 2.
@OGthegame What does old testament strictures for the jews of that era have to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ? You have an agenda built into the questions you ask. For instance the Ten Commandments are the important part and not the ceremonial law. Did Jesus advocate the stoning of the prostitute? And what is your obsession about slavery? If you want to have slaves there are countries you can go to right now an guess what... They are not nations following a Christian ethic.
@rusty2029 actually "god" is allegedly speaking to moses at that time, oh yeah, what does that awfull policy which allegedly came directly from christ's "god"? 1 Timothy 6:1-3 also shows us that it's not really changed. and what is it with slavery? I believe slavery is against human rights therefore it is inconsistent with your assertion that god is the basis of human rights. I'm not really sure about christian ethic since christian countries practiced slavery.
@OGthegame plus, you still have no answer to my earlier questions. Your morality should not infect the constitution or the philosophy of any country since it is composed of scape goating, sacrifice, and the subjugation of man's mind by making him believe that he is damned because of his nature and that the only way to salvation is to accept your imaginary friend jesus. and in that process, he will acquire an imaginary and perpetual bondage to that being (in which, your "earthly leaders prosper)
@OGthegame Yes the Christian movement to abolish slavery was effective but the sad truth is that there is still slavery to this day. We live in a sinful world separated from God yet know in our hearts what the ideal aught to be. You make an objective moral argument. You are attempting to make a moral argument against God. What is the basis for your warrant of objective morals? Please study Devine Command Theroy
@rusty2029 actually, your response does not answer my argument. Like I said before, christians for centuries, practiced slavery. It's good if some of you figured out that it's quite bad so; "let's abolish it". But still it does not remove the fact that "god as the basis of our rights' is in consistent with the fact that he gaeve guidelines regarding slavery. Let's look at it this way, even some animals have some form of group norm. please go back to sociology.
@OGthegame Let's look at the implication of "god as the basis of your morality". The only reason why you didn't raped your mother/daughter is the fact that you believe in god(or maybe they're not your type.). LOL. It's not hard for people to figure out that certain actions against others are harmful for society--isn't that one obvious? please study sociology. and actually, my argument is really against christianity.
the fuzziness is there not only in these categories of sex or race or dead/alive, but in all categories or objects. all objects are objects because of definition, because of a concept. nature does not draw the line anywhere, it is just a flow of networked processes. nature is a verb, not a noun and so is a human being.think about it.
I wish she would stop saying we. Some of us never thought any of this stuff was simple or straight forward. I marvel at the idea that this is revolutionary thinking. I thank her for raising people's consciousness, but I'm sad it was necessary.
What about people's experiences in life, makes them think that anything can be squeezed into neat little categories? I was taught that labels are useful for discussion and nothing more.
Overall a very good talk. I disagree with some of A. Dreger's political - views - and think some of her activism gets in the way of her "beliefs in science" but overall agree with many of her objectives. People should not have beliefs about science only understanding or lack of understanding. If you think you have a scientific belief then you do not understand science. Not sure I agree with her views on nurture vs. nature either but I do fully support her arguments in support of gay rights.
@hempartist420 its been statistically shown that the trends towards better educations tend to help this out as well. fully educating people, and ensuring they have the basic concepts of logical thinking go a long way in eliminating these stigma's
Dwarf, conjunt twins, intersex... 50 years ago were all (pardon the expression) "freak shows".
Now, thanks to the advance in medicine, parents have the choice to 'change' the fetus to the typical norm (male or female, etc), if they want to, in order (maybe not so much to be healthy, but) to be 'socially-healthy' or accepted - to get education, get a job, find a mate, etc.
@kamododragoon hmm, I wouldn't mind sitting in on a lecture, but there is no way I would pay to do so. I still have some issues with some of her views.
@hempartist420 There are natural entailments of looking at the world as a pitiless indifferent cold world of death and privation. I am glad for Denmark despite the fact that it will be a Muslim country in time. Now I understand the agenda of the atheist to claim no other connective ideologies can be linked. Perhaps you are trying to be honest due to lack of information but there are behavioral entailments that can be drawn from ideologies be they Christian, Muslim or Atheist.
She raises awareness about a number of issues, but doesn't make exact points or offer solutions or alternatives. I'm left with questions and no answers. When it comes to the intersex subject, is she suggesting their numbers worldwide are big enough to justify what's implied to be a huge number of categories or a whole spectrum, from a practicality pov? I also find it funny how she stresses ON AVERAGE differences b/w men and women, as if it's touchy to say and people havent known since forever
This seems to be one of Dreger's bettter presentations. I would of preferred she talked about more intersex conditions to provide better understanding of how diverse people really are. Nice presentation overall.
This is one of the worst, most manipulative and most ignorant speeches I have ever heard. This person (god forbid I say "this woman") tends to deny the common fact that the huge majority of people are normal males and females, and is trying to make vast changes in today society based on a few cases of people who were born with abnormalities. Second of all, she ignores huge discoveries of neuroscience and genetics about the structure of brain and behavior. Irrational, ignorant and simply insane.
@D503z How is still ignorant if she is complexifying the human nature? These cases are not extreme as you say. I know people, in this industrialised place called Europe, who had to do hormonal treatment in order to belong in their respective gender.
Also, the "huge discoveries" in neuroscience DO agree with her. So how can this be "irrational, ignorant and simple insane"? If you are indicating these notions to your comment then yes it is.
No offense taken, but you are just wrong to the point of denying the most obvious truths. Most of the kids of kindergarten age realize that boys and girls have something different between their legs. And most of the people live through their lives knowing that. However, it takes a degree in humanities to deny the most simple fact like that.
As I have said before, this whole thing has nothing to do with science, only with the religion of political correctness.
@D503z So males and females have something different between their legs. So what? Our society is so obsessed with that part of anatomy to divide us and label us. It's like we've never moved past kindergarten. I'd say that it's not nature to be so obsessed with this ultimately useless distinction (except for procreation, that is), but patriarchal society that dictates that men and women have absolutely nothing in common, nor should they, for sexist, homophobic religious and political reasons.
No, it's not merely a thing between the legs, there are vast differences in anatomy of the body and the brain, hormones, behavior, etc. Every time someone points to the most simple fact - that boys and girls are not the same - lunatics are there to tell him that he is ignorant, sexist, homophobic, patriarchal etc. I do not hesitate to call people such as yourself utter lunatics and crazy fanatics who ignore every reality to push their insane ideas.
@D503z What "insane ideas", pray tell? I don't deny that boys and girls are different on certain levels, but what I detest is the idea that these differences must imprison people's fates ("you're a girl, you're supposed to be girly and never enter into politics/power over anything" etc). What do you think of transsexuals, boyish girls, girly boys, gays, etc? Human beings that don't fit into the black and white man/woman dichotomy? And yes, I don't think these differences mean much ultimately.
Now you are simply trying to get away from your previous statement. You are either unable to understand that, or you're simply lying to push your beliefs. This is not a struggle for basic human rights of gays, transsexuals, intersexuals etc. This is a struggle for special privileges of those groups and against the rights of ordinary heterosexual males. Your ideas will not be less insane if you put them in milder words. I have the strongest contempt for this kind of rhetoric.
@D503z What the hell?? I'm laughing here. As if I'm the one that's drifting from the point (in fact I have been reiterating the exact same point, you just don't or won't understand it). Where the hell did you get this imaginary discrimination against "ordinary heterosexual males"? And what is your reasoning to back it up? What is so harmful about the idea that gender and sexuality is fluid and more ambiguous than mainstream society likes to think? You seem irrational and repressed.
Another Ted Talk that's WAY TOO LONG. She spoke for 18 minutes, 17 minutes of which was common knowledge with 1 minute of opinion. No new technology demonstrated, no new data presented.
@lord666christoph You cannot clasify something as an anomaly, when dealing with the evolution of anatomy, which has no purpose, and/or, right and wrong products. The human body is big chaotic mess, changing and redefining itself with every atom moving. Every "creation" is different. Thats why you look different from your neigbour. And sometimes the sociaty clasifies someone as an anomaly, because the difference were to big for our simple clasification system.
@arngorf do you then posit that there is no anatomical standard or purpose all humans biologically strive for? If that were true medical and physiological science wouldn't be able to study the body as there would need to be an entry for each individual body. Individual differences are minute. While I may LOOK different from my neighbor, we are not much physiologically different, assuming they're male. Would you also consider what I and medicine consider an anomaly to be an evolutionary step?
@lord666christoph First of, if there is a purpose, then we havn't found it. Unless your into intelligent design you may believe you have found one. Secondly, medicines deffinitions of anomalies are purely based on subjective oppinions of what is good and bad for the body, and thus, does not necesseraly corrospond to the supposed "will of nature". What is key to understanding it from a scientific point of view, is to understand, that anomalies and difference in evolution is the same.
@peaceandparty the key word there is FEEL. Feelings that are fleeting, fragile, and dismissive of any objectivity. This is proof of nothing as gender is not defined by feelings. Maybe by the ignorant social masses it is, but again it proves nothing. Let me put it in simpler terms for you: males sire children, females give birth to children. There is the entire basis of sex and gender right there. Everything else is secondary. Sure its not warm and cozy but given the big pic, it works.
I have the crazy theory that maybe feminists tend to be female not because women care more about "complex social relations" but because, oh I don't know, women are the ones who suffer the most from sexism and have the most to gain from a decline in sexist attitudes. Far-fetched, I know.
@hempartist420 Yes is was effectively an atheist nation as only man's law where recognized in effort to make the soviet man. The only way to join the communist party was to pledge your atheism. My retort to your Denmark comment is for you to look at the suicide rates among the most atheistic nations. The ideology of atheism as shown in the USSR are demonstrable evidence of what that world view can cause. I also want you to look at the birthrate of Denmark (unrecoverable decline)
@hempartist420 Morality comes from the soul God gave you. BTW nihilism is the only rational alternative so check the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy. I see that you have not looked up Natural Law and the theological entailment's that are required.
I think this qualifies as an "over-analysis". We should not divide ourselves based on our sexual biology or hormonal make-up. Each gender is human and proven to be legitimate (since the 1920s) in our modern world.
Very interesting and enlightened talk on the idea of anatomy or phenotype expression versus genotype or physiological character and how Democracy should protect ALL citizens. It certainly is a much more intellectual discussion of gender as oppose to "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"...lol. Personally, I think the conservative religious view of gender and sexual orientation is equivalent to believing that the world is flat.
@Shaunt1 The masculinist movement arose as a counter-movement to feminism, and was created by those who misunderstood the entire concept of feminism. They thought that feminism was only a women's movement (which it is not), and felt the need to have something similar for men only, which is ridiculous.
The feminist movement is called "feminism" simply because of the word's origins. Look it up, if you're interested. But feminism is about EQUAL rights for all genders, so masculinism is irrelevant
@Shaunt1 The movement called "egalitarianism" is about equal rights for all people in every sense, that is, by ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, and all the rest. "Feminism" narrows it down to equal gender rights. I think you are uncomfortable using the term because it is related to the word "female", and thus makes you think that it is a women-only thing. I urge you to look up "feminism etymology" in an online dictionary. Think about the meaning of the word; the origins aren't relevant.
@PlanetTegan Look feminism doesn't give a dam about male sexism. I have yet to here one feminist talk about how they are so many countries were being a male gay is a crime, but being a lesbian isn't (just one example). Yet, all of them butt into these same countries and talk about female sexism in these SAME countries, which is fine but if they are a equal rights movement how about talking about male sexism? They aren't interested in that! Feminism is a WOMEN'S RIGHTS MOVEMENT and nothing more.
@hempartist420 If you look up Natural Law you will see the issue of inalienable rights. Where do we have inalienable human rights if there is no Moral Law Giver. We are moral agents and have basis for objective morals. If you wish to claim nihilism then you have no rights beyond the tip of your nose and given the example of atheist nations like the USSR you see the consequence of this relativism. The truth is not in atheism as our moral compass and human rights death can't take shows.
@rusty2029 Your moral law giver fails since morality is a product of socialization. as manifested by the difference of morality and rights in different cultures. If rights were god-given, there would be no need for a declaration of universal human rights by the people. the USSR, CAMBODIA, and the NAZIs are just like religion since it envokes the same principle of collectivism.
So do our hormone levels effect our personalities/cognition? If so, her message is screwed because persistent in all races/cultures there's a strong hormonal difference in males and females. Really I like how TED is turning into a pop-sci feel good journalist school! And how they remove comments that give scientific critiques of their political rallys! Free spirit of inquiry! Logic shall prevail!.. I mean, brb burning endocrinology textbooks
@TheArboarba There are correlative differences between male and female hormones but you can't say that there are absolute differences between the sexes. You understand that this kind of diversity was the premise of her speech right? Name any feature of a man or any feature of a woman and she'll find you a "man" or "woman" who doesn't share that characteristic. Who's removing your comments? What sort of idea that she espouses are you challenging here?
@hempartist420 Nothing has happened to our God given human rights so I don't understand your question. Perhaps you are talking about how this nation and its leadership are turning away from God. This is evident in the attack on traditional marriage and family. If you want a better understanding of our God given rights then study the teachings of Jesus Christ. Government can try to take the place of God, you saw this with the Soviet Union and are seeing an analog of this in the US.
@rusty2029 If you believe in Jesus Christ you take your traditions from the Christian faith do you not? Well, a 'traditional' Christian marriage could be between a rapist and the girl he raped, a mother and her son after murdering his brother (Adam and Eve had two boys, uh oh), and a man and as many women as he can jam into the relationship - as long as it's all at the same time. You are not being attacked personally, the people in this talk just want the same freedoms you have enjoyed.
@RaptorClaws24 You seem to have a profoundly poor understanding of the teachings of Christ and God's minimal communication in the bible. You can misunderstand scripture but this does not give your view warrant. The Christian ideology is under attack by followers of a contradictory ideology. What gives your ideology supremacy to the Moral Law Giver of natural law. We all have the same freedoms now. The freedoms of human rights. You want to add sexual preference that does not exist now, why?
Forget the founding father's & her view of democracy. The aristocracy had practiced dangerous inbreeding for hundreds of years. They are by definition abnormal in every way & it was self-inflicted. She would have made a more interesting presentation by sticking to the little differences in brain structure, hormones etc. which help define us as people & which effects quite more people than imagined.
The speech has a definite political motive. It gives a kind of religious moral argument yet seems to deny the Creator. Granted there is a complexity to our bodies that does break down and cause dysfunction like she is speaking of. I seems to me that this is treatable with a correct therapy. Then comes the progressive political agenda that tries to equate a sexual preference with civil rights. Heterosexuals don't have rights by pure orientation alone hence Human rights not preference rights
@roidroid If you listened to the video the talk is of abnormal or asymmetrical reactions to certain body chemistry. I don't posit that there is necessarily a current medical treatment yet given a biological cause for the mentioned problems. Yet for instance if there is say a biological cause for same sex gender preference then there can be a medical treatment discovered. This inference of a miss-function or dysfunction is common when viewed as birth defect or handicap thus a treatment possible
@rusty2029 Weeeeell maybe. But you seem like the kindof gentleman who responds in-kind to civil discussion, so i'm curious where this will lead.
If you think about it, i hope you'll find that my comment lead naturally from your discussion of dysfunctions. And i am eager for an answer, i would indeed like to know if you consider homophobia to be a dysfunction.
Ultimately (just to save time) i ALSO wish to know if you think bisexuality and masturbation are respective dysfunctions.
@roidroid Oh... embarrassed... How can any ideology or noetic state in the mind be a bodily dysfunction? You seem to be making a category error. So when talking of normal function of the human body homophobia does not fit. Again sexual preference need not be linked to Endocrinology at all. I am talking of proper gene expression and proper epigenetic function. But given the political agenda in this talk I guess inconvenient facts about treatment or handycaped functions is being lost.
@rusty2029 You previously mentioned in passing a possibility of "same sex gender preference" (sic) having a biological cause and thus perhaps an eventual treatment. So i'm just asking for confirmation of your views, and i don't see why you should be obtuse about it.
The fact that you assume a treatment for homosexuality is even appropriate, prompted my questions.
The questions boil down to figuring out if you see all sexual activity as dysfunctional if it doesn't produce babies.
@roidroid Here is the problem you must face in the homosexual agenda. If and only if same gender preference is a biological dysfunction or as claimed immutable and not a mere physiological state of the mind it can be medically treated not to mention a better basis for the identity politics of the homosexual agenda to try to secure rights as disabled people. Homosexuality is either a conscious choice or there are physical hence treatable reasons. Sex if meaningful is not just recreational.
@rusty2029 homosexuals want to be seen as disabled? haha, no. Who told you that?
You didn't actually answer my question about dysfunctionality and producing babies, unless you think that how fun and psychologically meaningful sex is - has an impact on fertility rates. Coz technically it does! But i doubt this was your point.
Answering the masturbation question might help.
You can call it The Masturbation Agenda if you like.
@roidroid No but they want to be seen as having a biological reason for their sexual orientation rather then the good studies done about childhood sexual abuse and other more psychological causes. So if it is immutable due to a physical cause you have to deal with the implications. Given there is proper gene expression and endocrine functionality you just have to face the issue. I had sexual encounters at 13 with another boy who was 15. For me I had to deal with the psychological issues.
@rusty2029 Good studies, where? Is homosexuality going back onto the DSM is it?
Just because something has a physical basis & deviates from average, doesn't mean it's pathological and/or even harmful. It could just be normal biological difference, we all have them. Someone might be born with 6 functional fingers, should that 6th one be surgically removed just coz it's deviant?
But YES i do think some sex is harmful as a rule, such as non-consentual sex (ie: rape, incl statutory rape). Basically things society considers to be sexual abuse.
The sex you had at 13, i'd consider it abuse because i'm assuming it was partially or entirely non-consentual, or even statutory. The fact that it was also homoerotic isn't really relevant to the question of whether it was abuse or not, it's abuse regardless of the sexes. You were abused by another kid.
@roidroid I note that you do recognize there are boundaries. This is a good thing. We all have human rights and ALL should be accepted regardless of gender issue. My position is nuanced and is against any overt judicial fiat forcing anything on anybody. The acceptance of the lifestyle is not to be beat into an unacceptable public and the marriage issue is the WORST instrument to try and use. IF even ONE sexual orientation is added as a NEW civil right where do you then set the bounds.
@roidroid I hope you already know of the controversy and reason it was removed from the DSM III but regardless it will not be going back in any future DSM thanks to the same homosexual hierarchy in the Psychological community. But you don't seem to understand the basic kernel of the issue. Let me put it in all caps so you understand. NO GENDER ORIENTATION HAS EVER BEEN A CIVIL RIGHT.... NONE. For all you know I am as closeted queer as it gets, it does not change facts.
@rusty2029 Homosexual agenda? Anybody that uses this term should immediately be laughed at and evaluated for mental disorders. One of my best friends is gay. His mom and dad still love him and I have never seen him happier. He has no agenda. All he wants to do is live his life and have the same rights as others. It's morons that use terms like 'homosexual agenda' that have the true agenda. As seen in many cases, that agenda is masking their own insecurities, and love for dick.
I agree with your sentiments here. On the subject of terminology. I think it was mistake for the current movement in America to refer to their struggle as the struggle for "Gay" rights. They aren't fighting for homosexual rights. They are fighting for civil rights. The language being used today really obfuscates the issue. It isn't that homosexuals or trans-genders should have equal rights. It's that Americans should have equal rights.
@t3tsuyaguy1 We all already have civil rights but what is wanted is a NEW right in regard to who one wants to have sex with. You are don't want to deal with the idea that there are BOTH psychological and physical issues that have to do with orientation. Physical issues means there is a normal and an abnormal hence a medical treatment. Psychological issues are far more complicated and not near as addressable as the physical ones. Yet here this video confirms a physical, treatable component.
@t3tsuyaguy1 ROFL that means I am Bi-Winning amiright? Bottom line. No new rights needed and there are medical treatments that could be created if Parents or the Individual wanted them. Identity politics is a poor way to change hearts and minds in regard to this specific issue. Oh... and Post-Modernism is really dangerous.
@rusty2029 Tell me. What else do I think? You clearly feel comfortable making my arguments for me, so let's here the whole thing. What's my agenda if you will? Do I have a five point plan, or am I winging it? I want to hear more about my Post-Modernist perspective, if you please.
Homosexual activists understand the power of words.
Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationship being discussed.
The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.
lightandbeautiful 1 month ago
Analyzing scientific data is a skill clearly lacking here
ogutu2 1 month ago
She has important things to say, like we ought to avoid over-simplifciations then she goes ahead and proceeds to do that very thing.
MushashiMiyamotoSama 6 months ago
The Founding Fathers looked to Roman Republic as a model of an anti- monarchal state to base the American system on. President, from First Citizen (Principate), the senate etc. Enlightenment looked to Rome and Greece. Just like Rome, women and slaves had limited rights. What they put together wasn't as radical as she is making it out to be. Also, typical American ideology, America has to lead because it is the bastion of democracy, then give e.g. like Iran. How about UK, Australia, Canada etc.?
MushashiMiyamotoSama 6 months ago
Ugh, the talk was kinda decent, but then i stopped watching when she started talking about the Founding Fathers being "the original anatomical activists" :T
pomponi0 7 months ago
It surprises me that this discussion didn't mention at all transgender individuals at all. After all the identity transgender arises when a person feels they where born the "wrong" sex, which I think should have fit right into this conversation at some point.
jrodoctorwho36 7 months ago
we don't draw the lines between sex...nature does...anatomical disorders that result in people being "intersex" are called disorders because they are so rare when compared to the traditionally male or female. And they are few because nature chose our species to be sexually dimorphic and when nature "chooses" to do something over millions of years of evolution, it doesn't leave clean lines. That doesn't mean nature makes no distinctions.
justforwatchingcraps 7 months ago
great speech! :D i learned a lot more about the idea of feminism and how males and females working together would ultimately benefit society
FMAiscool 7 months ago
i am intersex!
dreger talks a bit like helen fisher though i think fisher would be a better speaker!
some people arent good speakers
i think dreger would have been wise 2 not have had that piece of paper in the hand&also 2 not have insulted people with penises in this ted talk!
i think me&ted ought to talk-lol
i agree with many things dreger said, dreger is in the same intersex documentary i am in-intersexion
tho i have never spoken with them,i think we should talk together though,compare notes!
peaceandparty 7 months ago
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America is NOT a democracy. Its a republic. Its a fact no matter what anybody says. Its not a debate.
termix85 7 months ago
The Ovo-Testes would be a great name for a band
madsketcher 7 months ago
She's saying that she's taking the womens side and that there might be no womens side..
MrJohnnyrobson 8 months ago
Don't you find it weird that she's a feminist, while clearly being aware that there is no real definition of what a woman is, and that the better our scientific knowledge, the blurrier the line between male / female?
elchafa 8 months ago
nice talk
elchafa 8 months ago
consciousness is about being able to predict what's going to happen. But identity is all about being able to retain memories, adding to the set of memories, and not loosing them. If the set lost it's ability to update then people consider it as dead. Our body works so that that doesn't happen. Now not only our body that took that role but also our laws that manage our rights. The purpose is love, how to maintain the people's tendency to keep on experiencing interactions forever.
Melki 8 months ago
This is idiotic, focusing on commonalities is great for politics and uniting a group of people emotionally, but focusing on commonalities in science is pointless and dangerous. Unabeling us to treat fatal illness in proper way depending on the patients preferences.
crangdaniel 8 months ago
@crangdaniel I don't think she was making that argument. What she did say was that society and doctors shouldn't attempt to change the anatomical differences of someone's who's healthy (albeit not the norm). She never said anything about stopping research, or not treating someone who was fatally ill.
Decktrio 8 months ago
@Decktrio I think its is a mistake that "doctors attempt to change the anatomical differences of someone's who's healthy" It takes long education and harsh training to even begin to understand what "decease" is, thats kinda´ the reason why the education is that long. And through that education you will learn a lot of small but significant differences between things that will allow you to make a proper diagnosis of illness. If you apply her "sameness" idea to science you destroy that ability.
crangdaniel 4 months ago
@crangdaniel Can you think of any consequences for ill patients if we are not able to define the difference between sick and healthy and if everybody is the same?
crangdaniel 4 months ago
You cant make minority into norm. most of us are just plane and simple XX or XY.
However you put it XX and XY chromosomes will never be a social construction.
Its a natural biological construction by evolution.
crangdaniel 8 months ago
She asks a lot of interesting questions. And it seems that 'drawing the line' somewhere will always be necessary, even if it one day gets complicated, because of boy/girl sports, boy/girl schools, and other such endeavors where separation is sometimes used.
Bfavrestarr415 8 months ago
american exceptionalism, dated feminism, a really difuse, bloated talk...yep, all the hallmarks of a horrible tedtalk
Tolstoievsky 8 months ago
@Tolstoievsky That's because it was the intro to a single lecture. Have you ever sat in on an intro to a lecture, the first day of course, and learned something significant?
Decktrio 8 months ago
@Decktrio this is a tedtalk tho, not a university lecture. it should be more concise
Tolstoievsky 8 months ago
@kamododragoon look her up online she has several published articles and she wrote "Hermaphroditees and the Medical Invention of Sex", and "Intersex in the Age of Ethics". Which I am sure I have told you about allready. Again she is well published, but there are some issue's I disagree with her about. Mostly issues with choice., free will and the self determining right for oneself to decide what we are. Again she is a great IS parent support advocate and researcher, less so concerning IS rights.
mishakailana 8 months ago
@kamododragoon intersex individuals account for only 1% of live births as recorded by the ISNA. That includes all syndromes that can result in an intersex individual, all of which have known causes and none of which are "natural" because all of them result from a mishap in mitosis, meiosis, or hormonal deficiencies in the womb, none of which occur in most cases. Take Klinefelter's disease, which can occur from a nondisjunction (the failure of chromosomal seperation) in meoisis I or meoisis II
lord666christoph 8 months ago
@lord666christoph
hey!
1% eh?
in america. the isna is the intersex society of north america
how much percent in central america?south america? canada? asia? africa?britain?ireland?europe in general?russia?get my drift!
all intersex cases have not got known causes!
explain klinefelters syndrome and the cause!how?
i am all ears!
and i am intersex!yes--we walk among you!
and they are not natural??wow you should write science textbooks and add to the misinformation of "facts"!
peaceandparty 7 months ago 4
@peaceandparty A lot to respond to. Klinefelter's is caused by a non-disjunction event (the lack of separation between sister chromatids) during meiosis 1 in males and meiosis 2 in females. Since you obviously don't like biology, meiosis is the mechanism that creates gametes which are required for reproduction
So what that the numbers are from the ISNA, the numbers aren't going to jump between regions, as the mechanisms are the same; this isn't magic, its physiology and genetics.
lord666christoph 7 months ago
@kamododragoon to make things simple she is very supportive of IS affected people and knowledgeable when they accept the gender of assignment. She is not very good at understanding the damage done especially for those of us who reject the gender of assignment. She offers support the most in or for the Parent run IS support groups. She is less accepted by the masses of angry activists who see her as detrimental to our activism.
mishakailana 8 months ago
Very enlightening! Wish I could hear more from her.
simplenothing 8 months ago
After 9 minutes her voice gets all dry and high-pitched. Someone should get her some water.
kebakent 8 months ago
So it's better not to separate the twins and instead make them live somewhere outside their culture and language and tell the people there to have your opinion? Very democratic.
gusphraba 8 months ago
absolutely poignant and visionary.
jimmshorts 8 months ago
@hempartist420 No.. How did you learn this false teaching? One commandment: Love God with all of your heart, soul, and mind, and love your fellows as you love yourself. It is about love. It is about how we are separated from God and have a conflict between the flesh and the spirit. I love all of my fellow humans but that does not entail I love their behavior or usage of identity politics to take away my voice on important matters. You can harden your heart against God but He still loves you
rusty2029 8 months ago
that was incredible
jacofan157 8 months ago
INCREDIBLE TALK!!! Thank you for sharing!
ayemaya75 8 months ago
"She doesn't have all the rights Henry has. She can't marry a woman in all states; Henry can marry a woman in all states."
Very disappointed in this feminist. Very. Disappointed.
YawnGod 8 months ago
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YawnGod 8 months ago
@hempartist420 You fail to see that if there is no Moral Law Giver then there are no objective moral laws. How do you live like that? Or do you borrow Judao-Christian ethics? Again if it is just us and only us then get ready for the extinction event to come.
rusty2029 8 months ago
Now wait a minute. Did she just say that a premature baby (Mary) was born 3 months later than a full-term baby (Henry)? I always thought a premature kid is born before the term is over :P
logicalphysio 8 months ago
US has to be in the lead to bring democracy into Iran:D
ivnat77 8 months ago
@ivnat77 good point
gameguy431 8 months ago
Henry can walk around without a shirt, Mary will be arrested.
MarkArandjus 8 months ago
@MarkArandjus
Good point, but not in all places. NYC for example.
DJPhilTBCollins 8 months ago
I'M a feminist that think it's a woman's right to pop out children, be a house wife and get in the kitchen to make her Man a sammich.
ogrish84 8 months ago
I don't buy this. This is an example of using fuzzy logic on a 1+1=x equation, and instead of getting getting 2, liberals wings of science might now say the answer is actually 'something around the location, quality, quantity, and idea of 2'. It's making the abnormal normal instead of letting it retain its uniqueness. The answer is to love those people more, not change the academic idea of society into universal amoral tolerance.
LightWthoutTheStatic 8 months ago
@LightWthoutTheStatic But how can you love them more while still rejecting basic rights just because of anatomical differences?
Radjehuty 8 months ago
Bullshit
faunos51 8 months ago
@hempartist420 I don't think it is better to have believers in the delusion of atheism. I am commanded to love God and others and myself is third but in all three levels love is meaningful. I have the same feelings regarding separation of Church and State as Jesus does. You may not understand Jesus's teachings but understand enough to know that Jesus was in no way a political activist. Yes logic is critical to understand why God is the basis of human rights and natural law.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 tell me, is it right to command love? is god the basis of human rights since he himself gave instructions about how to handle your slave rather than to prohibit slavery?
OGthegame 8 months ago
@OGthegame Given the poverty of knowledge about Christian theology judging from such a reply get back to me when you are ready to do a bible study.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 now, what you really mean to say is that I don't know much about christian theology so therefore I am wrong(according to you). pathetic. Leviticus 25:44-46, Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 21:7-11--these are the verses from your bible about slavery. what I gave are questions and you did not answer any of the 2.
OGthegame 8 months ago
@OGthegame What does old testament strictures for the jews of that era have to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ? You have an agenda built into the questions you ask. For instance the Ten Commandments are the important part and not the ceremonial law. Did Jesus advocate the stoning of the prostitute? And what is your obsession about slavery? If you want to have slaves there are countries you can go to right now an guess what... They are not nations following a Christian ethic.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 actually "god" is allegedly speaking to moses at that time, oh yeah, what does that awfull policy which allegedly came directly from christ's "god"? 1 Timothy 6:1-3 also shows us that it's not really changed. and what is it with slavery? I believe slavery is against human rights therefore it is inconsistent with your assertion that god is the basis of human rights. I'm not really sure about christian ethic since christian countries practiced slavery.
OGthegame 8 months ago
@OGthegame plus, you still have no answer to my earlier questions. Your morality should not infect the constitution or the philosophy of any country since it is composed of scape goating, sacrifice, and the subjugation of man's mind by making him believe that he is damned because of his nature and that the only way to salvation is to accept your imaginary friend jesus. and in that process, he will acquire an imaginary and perpetual bondage to that being (in which, your "earthly leaders prosper)
OGthegame 8 months ago
@OGthegame Yes the Christian movement to abolish slavery was effective but the sad truth is that there is still slavery to this day. We live in a sinful world separated from God yet know in our hearts what the ideal aught to be. You make an objective moral argument. You are attempting to make a moral argument against God. What is the basis for your warrant of objective morals? Please study Devine Command Theroy
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 actually, your response does not answer my argument. Like I said before, christians for centuries, practiced slavery. It's good if some of you figured out that it's quite bad so; "let's abolish it". But still it does not remove the fact that "god as the basis of our rights' is in consistent with the fact that he gaeve guidelines regarding slavery. Let's look at it this way, even some animals have some form of group norm. please go back to sociology.
OGthegame 8 months ago
@OGthegame Let's look at the implication of "god as the basis of your morality". The only reason why you didn't raped your mother/daughter is the fact that you believe in god(or maybe they're not your type.). LOL. It's not hard for people to figure out that certain actions against others are harmful for society--isn't that one obvious? please study sociology. and actually, my argument is really against christianity.
OGthegame 8 months ago
the fuzziness is there not only in these categories of sex or race or dead/alive, but in all categories or objects. all objects are objects because of definition, because of a concept. nature does not draw the line anywhere, it is just a flow of networked processes. nature is a verb, not a noun and so is a human being.think about it.
yourtube20061 8 months ago
I wish she would stop saying we. Some of us never thought any of this stuff was simple or straight forward. I marvel at the idea that this is revolutionary thinking. I thank her for raising people's consciousness, but I'm sad it was necessary.
What about people's experiences in life, makes them think that anything can be squeezed into neat little categories? I was taught that labels are useful for discussion and nothing more.
t3tsuyaguy1 8 months ago
Overall a very good talk. I disagree with some of A. Dreger's political - views - and think some of her activism gets in the way of her "beliefs in science" but overall agree with many of her objectives. People should not have beliefs about science only understanding or lack of understanding. If you think you have a scientific belief then you do not understand science. Not sure I agree with her views on nurture vs. nature either but I do fully support her arguments in support of gay rights.
generationalist 8 months ago
She is wrong on the "Founding Fathers" in everything. How sad.
phonic0photon 8 months ago
Democracy and individual rights? In America? Hahahahahaha
Gets me every time...
ninjabob2456 8 months ago 66
@ninjabob2456 Do you feel that there are no individual rights in the States?
stockingcpl 8 months ago
@stockingcpl Well, not unless you've got enough money for them.
ninjabob2456 8 months ago
@ninjabob2456 BWAAAAH!
stockingcpl 8 months ago
@stockingcpl Indeed.
ninjabob2456 8 months ago
@hempartist420 its been statistically shown that the trends towards better educations tend to help this out as well. fully educating people, and ensuring they have the basic concepts of logical thinking go a long way in eliminating these stigma's
wizkidme 8 months ago
woooooooo-yyyyyyaaaaaayyyy
DanteAlucardAluxes 8 months ago
This is awesome... I love Psycho-Analytical Theory!!!!!
mzkellievictoria 8 months ago
Dwarf, conjunt twins, intersex... 50 years ago were all (pardon the expression) "freak shows".
Now, thanks to the advance in medicine, parents have the choice to 'change' the fetus to the typical norm (male or female, etc), if they want to, in order (maybe not so much to be healthy, but) to be 'socially-healthy' or accepted - to get education, get a job, find a mate, etc.
... and usually it's the mother that decides.
leonidasx666 8 months ago
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Yay i got my mind blown up by her...
Linyzas 8 months ago
Yay i got my mind blowd up by her...
Linyzas 8 months ago
Great talk. Nicely done Alice.
Skeluz 8 months ago
@kamododragoon hmm, I wouldn't mind sitting in on a lecture, but there is no way I would pay to do so. I still have some issues with some of her views.
mishakailana 8 months ago
I was fortunate enough to learn a lot of this stuff in a Sociology course I took in college.
andyrooney12 8 months ago
... Wait. When did TED fix the terrible difference in volume between the intro and the speech?
axelasdf 8 months ago 36
@axelasdf they haven't yet ..in 2011
22nishantsingh 8 months ago
@hempartist420 There are natural entailments of looking at the world as a pitiless indifferent cold world of death and privation. I am glad for Denmark despite the fact that it will be a Muslim country in time. Now I understand the agenda of the atheist to claim no other connective ideologies can be linked. Perhaps you are trying to be honest due to lack of information but there are behavioral entailments that can be drawn from ideologies be they Christian, Muslim or Atheist.
rusty2029 8 months ago
rgegte
pinkflowerpoop 8 months ago
She raises awareness about a number of issues, but doesn't make exact points or offer solutions or alternatives. I'm left with questions and no answers. When it comes to the intersex subject, is she suggesting their numbers worldwide are big enough to justify what's implied to be a huge number of categories or a whole spectrum, from a practicality pov? I also find it funny how she stresses ON AVERAGE differences b/w men and women, as if it's touchy to say and people havent known since forever
MonkkSoori 8 months ago
great.......but i have to stop watchin...this voice is freeeeeaking me out
ClaudeGabel 8 months ago
excellent
devaloki 8 months ago
This seems to be one of Dreger's bettter presentations. I would of preferred she talked about more intersex conditions to provide better understanding of how diverse people really are. Nice presentation overall.
mishakailana 8 months ago 3
So men are to blame for everything wrong...again?
DeadWhiteButterflies 8 months ago
@DeadWhiteButterflies No, here it states that we, as a human race, need to depend on each other.
Pouroushair 8 months ago
Great talk, well reasoned
thernr 8 months ago
This is one of the worst, most manipulative and most ignorant speeches I have ever heard. This person (god forbid I say "this woman") tends to deny the common fact that the huge majority of people are normal males and females, and is trying to make vast changes in today society based on a few cases of people who were born with abnormalities. Second of all, she ignores huge discoveries of neuroscience and genetics about the structure of brain and behavior. Irrational, ignorant and simply insane.
D503z 8 months ago
@D503z How is still ignorant if she is complexifying the human nature? These cases are not extreme as you say. I know people, in this industrialised place called Europe, who had to do hormonal treatment in order to belong in their respective gender.
Also, the "huge discoveries" in neuroscience DO agree with her. So how can this be "irrational, ignorant and simple insane"? If you are indicating these notions to your comment then yes it is.
Pouroushair 8 months ago
@Pouroushair
Utter insanity, that's all I have to say. We are in the 21st century, discussing that boys and girls aren't the same.
D503z 8 months ago
@Pouroushair
good reply to this obvious ignorant "well educated" person!
peaceandparty 7 months ago
@D503z sorry to disappoint but you are incorrect
most people are not 100% female or male including probably yourself
no offense i still accept you as you
intersex people are not a rare breed and we are certainly not abnormalities
i think you need to study things a little deeper than just the medical bibles!
there are no normal males and females ,we are all different!
at least 1 in 2000 people are born intersexed,they are only the ones that are screened
could you be intersexed?
well?
peace-lol
peaceandparty 7 months ago
@peaceandparty
No offense taken, but you are just wrong to the point of denying the most obvious truths. Most of the kids of kindergarten age realize that boys and girls have something different between their legs. And most of the people live through their lives knowing that. However, it takes a degree in humanities to deny the most simple fact like that.
As I have said before, this whole thing has nothing to do with science, only with the religion of political correctness.
D503z 7 months ago
@D503z So males and females have something different between their legs. So what? Our society is so obsessed with that part of anatomy to divide us and label us. It's like we've never moved past kindergarten. I'd say that it's not nature to be so obsessed with this ultimately useless distinction (except for procreation, that is), but patriarchal society that dictates that men and women have absolutely nothing in common, nor should they, for sexist, homophobic religious and political reasons.
DistressSignal 5 months ago
@DistressSignal
No, it's not merely a thing between the legs, there are vast differences in anatomy of the body and the brain, hormones, behavior, etc. Every time someone points to the most simple fact - that boys and girls are not the same - lunatics are there to tell him that he is ignorant, sexist, homophobic, patriarchal etc. I do not hesitate to call people such as yourself utter lunatics and crazy fanatics who ignore every reality to push their insane ideas.
D503z 5 months ago
@D503z What "insane ideas", pray tell? I don't deny that boys and girls are different on certain levels, but what I detest is the idea that these differences must imprison people's fates ("you're a girl, you're supposed to be girly and never enter into politics/power over anything" etc). What do you think of transsexuals, boyish girls, girly boys, gays, etc? Human beings that don't fit into the black and white man/woman dichotomy? And yes, I don't think these differences mean much ultimately.
DistressSignal 5 months ago
@DistressSignal
Now you are simply trying to get away from your previous statement. You are either unable to understand that, or you're simply lying to push your beliefs. This is not a struggle for basic human rights of gays, transsexuals, intersexuals etc. This is a struggle for special privileges of those groups and against the rights of ordinary heterosexual males. Your ideas will not be less insane if you put them in milder words. I have the strongest contempt for this kind of rhetoric.
D503z 5 months ago
@D503z What the hell?? I'm laughing here. As if I'm the one that's drifting from the point (in fact I have been reiterating the exact same point, you just don't or won't understand it). Where the hell did you get this imaginary discrimination against "ordinary heterosexual males"? And what is your reasoning to back it up? What is so harmful about the idea that gender and sexuality is fluid and more ambiguous than mainstream society likes to think? You seem irrational and repressed.
DistressSignal 5 months ago
Another Ted Talk that's WAY TOO LONG. She spoke for 18 minutes, 17 minutes of which was common knowledge with 1 minute of opinion. No new technology demonstrated, no new data presented.
Cannibalzz 8 months ago
@Cannibalzz as long as it made people happy ;p
rakketakke 8 months ago
So developmental anomalies make anatomy a vague concept? Since when did exceptions define the rule?
lord666christoph 8 months ago
@lord666christoph You cannot clasify something as an anomaly, when dealing with the evolution of anatomy, which has no purpose, and/or, right and wrong products. The human body is big chaotic mess, changing and redefining itself with every atom moving. Every "creation" is different. Thats why you look different from your neigbour. And sometimes the sociaty clasifies someone as an anomaly, because the difference were to big for our simple clasification system.
arngorf 8 months ago
@arngorf do you then posit that there is no anatomical standard or purpose all humans biologically strive for? If that were true medical and physiological science wouldn't be able to study the body as there would need to be an entry for each individual body. Individual differences are minute. While I may LOOK different from my neighbor, we are not much physiologically different, assuming they're male. Would you also consider what I and medicine consider an anomaly to be an evolutionary step?
lord666christoph 8 months ago
@lord666christoph First of, if there is a purpose, then we havn't found it. Unless your into intelligent design you may believe you have found one. Secondly, medicines deffinitions of anomalies are purely based on subjective oppinions of what is good and bad for the body, and thus, does not necesseraly corrospond to the supposed "will of nature". What is key to understanding it from a scientific point of view, is to understand, that anomalies and difference in evolution is the same.
arngorf 8 months ago
@lord666christoph
i would like to have a chat with you and medicine
when is medicine available to chat!?
could we do it tomorrow?talk with a few people from medicine about this?
rhetorical question!
people strive to fit in
they dont however have enough categories of genders and sexes in order for people to feel comfortable announcing that they are none of the above!
also many "women" dont feel woman all the time and many "men" dont act manly all the time
then there are the trans points!
enjoy!
peaceandparty 7 months ago
@peaceandparty the key word there is FEEL. Feelings that are fleeting, fragile, and dismissive of any objectivity. This is proof of nothing as gender is not defined by feelings. Maybe by the ignorant social masses it is, but again it proves nothing. Let me put it in simpler terms for you: males sire children, females give birth to children. There is the entire basis of sex and gender right there. Everything else is secondary. Sure its not warm and cozy but given the big pic, it works.
lord666christoph 7 months ago
I have the crazy theory that maybe feminists tend to be female not because women care more about "complex social relations" but because, oh I don't know, women are the ones who suffer the most from sexism and have the most to gain from a decline in sexist attitudes. Far-fetched, I know.
DoJaenin 8 months ago 3
@DoJaenin wow. That was such an eye-opener ;p
rakketakke 8 months ago
@rakketakke Thanks, it took me a long time to formulate that theory ^^
DoJaenin 8 months ago
@hempartist420 Yes is was effectively an atheist nation as only man's law where recognized in effort to make the soviet man. The only way to join the communist party was to pledge your atheism. My retort to your Denmark comment is for you to look at the suicide rates among the most atheistic nations. The ideology of atheism as shown in the USSR are demonstrable evidence of what that world view can cause. I also want you to look at the birthrate of Denmark (unrecoverable decline)
rusty2029 8 months ago
@hempartist420 Morality comes from the soul God gave you. BTW nihilism is the only rational alternative so check the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy. I see that you have not looked up Natural Law and the theological entailment's that are required.
rusty2029 8 months ago
I think this qualifies as an "over-analysis". We should not divide ourselves based on our sexual biology or hormonal make-up. Each gender is human and proven to be legitimate (since the 1920s) in our modern world.
tremulent 8 months ago
@tremulent
yes.gender and sex ought to be nearly irrelevant when talking with a person,an individual,looking in their eyes!
peaceandparty 7 months ago
Very interesting and enlightened talk on the idea of anatomy or phenotype expression versus genotype or physiological character and how Democracy should protect ALL citizens. It certainly is a much more intellectual discussion of gender as oppose to "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"...lol. Personally, I think the conservative religious view of gender and sexual orientation is equivalent to believing that the world is flat.
nikkidane 8 months ago 3
if she REALLY believed that people dont really have a gender, she would have got her tits out
mikesomething 8 months ago
VIDEO SUMMARY: Post-Modernism is a bitch
DxsPro 8 months ago
One of my absolute favorite TED talks.
Obstatic 8 months ago
I have no idea what her main point was.
Dirtboy101 8 months ago
What's with feminists you don't have masculinests.
Shaunt1 8 months ago
@Shaunt1 The masculinist movement arose as a counter-movement to feminism, and was created by those who misunderstood the entire concept of feminism. They thought that feminism was only a women's movement (which it is not), and felt the need to have something similar for men only, which is ridiculous.
The feminist movement is called "feminism" simply because of the word's origins. Look it up, if you're interested. But feminism is about EQUAL rights for all genders, so masculinism is irrelevant
PlanetTegan 8 months ago
@PlanetTegan Well it's usually women who are feminists and obviously the name. If it's about equal rights it should be called equalists or something.
Shaunt1 8 months ago
@Shaunt1 The movement called "egalitarianism" is about equal rights for all people in every sense, that is, by ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, and all the rest. "Feminism" narrows it down to equal gender rights. I think you are uncomfortable using the term because it is related to the word "female", and thus makes you think that it is a women-only thing. I urge you to look up "feminism etymology" in an online dictionary. Think about the meaning of the word; the origins aren't relevant.
PlanetTegan 8 months ago
@PlanetTegan Look feminism doesn't give a dam about male sexism. I have yet to here one feminist talk about how they are so many countries were being a male gay is a crime, but being a lesbian isn't (just one example). Yet, all of them butt into these same countries and talk about female sexism in these SAME countries, which is fine but if they are a equal rights movement how about talking about male sexism? They aren't interested in that! Feminism is a WOMEN'S RIGHTS MOVEMENT and nothing more.
Rationalist411 8 months ago
@PlanetTegan lols, why are 90% of the feminist speakers on TED female then ?
sausage4mash 8 months ago
@hempartist420 If you look up Natural Law you will see the issue of inalienable rights. Where do we have inalienable human rights if there is no Moral Law Giver. We are moral agents and have basis for objective morals. If you wish to claim nihilism then you have no rights beyond the tip of your nose and given the example of atheist nations like the USSR you see the consequence of this relativism. The truth is not in atheism as our moral compass and human rights death can't take shows.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 Your moral law giver fails since morality is a product of socialization. as manifested by the difference of morality and rights in different cultures. If rights were god-given, there would be no need for a declaration of universal human rights by the people. the USSR, CAMBODIA, and the NAZIs are just like religion since it envokes the same principle of collectivism.
OGthegame 8 months ago
Wow. Smart woman.
wulf8121 8 months ago
what the frap
Karmakameleeon 8 months ago
So do our hormone levels effect our personalities/cognition? If so, her message is screwed because persistent in all races/cultures there's a strong hormonal difference in males and females. Really I like how TED is turning into a pop-sci feel good journalist school! And how they remove comments that give scientific critiques of their political rallys! Free spirit of inquiry! Logic shall prevail!.. I mean, brb burning endocrinology textbooks
TheArboarba 8 months ago
@TheArboarba They remove comments? What? I find that very hard to believe.
roidroid 8 months ago
@TheArboarba There are correlative differences between male and female hormones but you can't say that there are absolute differences between the sexes. You understand that this kind of diversity was the premise of her speech right? Name any feature of a man or any feature of a woman and she'll find you a "man" or "woman" who doesn't share that characteristic. Who's removing your comments? What sort of idea that she espouses are you challenging here?
doedicurus 8 months ago
am i the only one turned on by intelligent women ?
rankarandas 8 months ago 3
ted please do 4 uploads a week ! i love your channel . live long and prosper !
rankarandas 8 months ago
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all men are created equal except , niggers
rankarandas 8 months ago
@hempartist420 Nothing has happened to our God given human rights so I don't understand your question. Perhaps you are talking about how this nation and its leadership are turning away from God. This is evident in the attack on traditional marriage and family. If you want a better understanding of our God given rights then study the teachings of Jesus Christ. Government can try to take the place of God, you saw this with the Soviet Union and are seeing an analog of this in the US.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 If you believe in Jesus Christ you take your traditions from the Christian faith do you not? Well, a 'traditional' Christian marriage could be between a rapist and the girl he raped, a mother and her son after murdering his brother (Adam and Eve had two boys, uh oh), and a man and as many women as he can jam into the relationship - as long as it's all at the same time. You are not being attacked personally, the people in this talk just want the same freedoms you have enjoyed.
RaptorClaws24 8 months ago
@RaptorClaws24 You seem to have a profoundly poor understanding of the teachings of Christ and God's minimal communication in the bible. You can misunderstand scripture but this does not give your view warrant. The Christian ideology is under attack by followers of a contradictory ideology. What gives your ideology supremacy to the Moral Law Giver of natural law. We all have the same freedoms now. The freedoms of human rights. You want to add sexual preference that does not exist now, why?
rusty2029 8 months ago
Forget the founding father's & her view of democracy. The aristocracy had practiced dangerous inbreeding for hundreds of years. They are by definition abnormal in every way & it was self-inflicted. She would have made a more interesting presentation by sticking to the little differences in brain structure, hormones etc. which help define us as people & which effects quite more people than imagined.
mmedefarge 8 months ago
i totally wish she would say gender when she means gender instead of sex. it's confusing.
winksmith 8 months ago
I had no idea that sort of stuff even existed!
ErichoTTA 8 months ago 2
Good talk!
RoZZ92 8 months ago
If you concentrate and work hard enough you can become a penguin...
SuperRegisteredUser 8 months ago 2
@SuperRegisteredUser
You are correct sir, I myself became a penguin and am enjoying my life in the Antarctic.
heeh2 8 months ago
The speech has a definite political motive. It gives a kind of religious moral argument yet seems to deny the Creator. Granted there is a complexity to our bodies that does break down and cause dysfunction like she is speaking of. I seems to me that this is treatable with a correct therapy. Then comes the progressive political agenda that tries to equate a sexual preference with civil rights. Heterosexuals don't have rights by pure orientation alone hence Human rights not preference rights
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 Being Intersexed can be treated with therapy?
you mean... mental therapy?
You think therapy is going to remove breasts or a penis, or adjust chromosomes and body chemistry? These are physical anatomical things rusty2029.
roidroid 8 months ago
@roidroid If you listened to the video the talk is of abnormal or asymmetrical reactions to certain body chemistry. I don't posit that there is necessarily a current medical treatment yet given a biological cause for the mentioned problems. Yet for instance if there is say a biological cause for same sex gender preference then there can be a medical treatment discovered. This inference of a miss-function or dysfunction is common when viewed as birth defect or handicap thus a treatment possible
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 I think Homophobia is a dysfunction, responds well to therapy. What do you think?
roidroid 8 months ago
@roidroid Think you hate me and want to call me names because of your hateful and bigoted ideology. We cancel each other out this way amiright?
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 Weeeeell maybe. But you seem like the kindof gentleman who responds in-kind to civil discussion, so i'm curious where this will lead.
If you think about it, i hope you'll find that my comment lead naturally from your discussion of dysfunctions. And i am eager for an answer, i would indeed like to know if you consider homophobia to be a dysfunction.
Ultimately (just to save time) i ALSO wish to know if you think bisexuality and masturbation are respective dysfunctions.
roidroid 8 months ago
@roidroid Oh... embarrassed... How can any ideology or noetic state in the mind be a bodily dysfunction? You seem to be making a category error. So when talking of normal function of the human body homophobia does not fit. Again sexual preference need not be linked to Endocrinology at all. I am talking of proper gene expression and proper epigenetic function. But given the political agenda in this talk I guess inconvenient facts about treatment or handycaped functions is being lost.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 You previously mentioned in passing a possibility of "same sex gender preference" (sic) having a biological cause and thus perhaps an eventual treatment. So i'm just asking for confirmation of your views, and i don't see why you should be obtuse about it.
The fact that you assume a treatment for homosexuality is even appropriate, prompted my questions.
The questions boil down to figuring out if you see all sexual activity as dysfunctional if it doesn't produce babies.
roidroid 8 months ago
@roidroid Here is the problem you must face in the homosexual agenda. If and only if same gender preference is a biological dysfunction or as claimed immutable and not a mere physiological state of the mind it can be medically treated not to mention a better basis for the identity politics of the homosexual agenda to try to secure rights as disabled people. Homosexuality is either a conscious choice or there are physical hence treatable reasons. Sex if meaningful is not just recreational.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 homosexuals want to be seen as disabled? haha, no. Who told you that?
You didn't actually answer my question about dysfunctionality and producing babies, unless you think that how fun and psychologically meaningful sex is - has an impact on fertility rates. Coz technically it does! But i doubt this was your point.
Answering the masturbation question might help.
You can call it The Masturbation Agenda if you like.
roidroid 8 months ago
@roidroid No but they want to be seen as having a biological reason for their sexual orientation rather then the good studies done about childhood sexual abuse and other more psychological causes. So if it is immutable due to a physical cause you have to deal with the implications. Given there is proper gene expression and endocrine functionality you just have to face the issue. I had sexual encounters at 13 with another boy who was 15. For me I had to deal with the psychological issues.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 Good studies, where? Is homosexuality going back onto the DSM is it?
Just because something has a physical basis & deviates from average, doesn't mean it's pathological and/or even harmful. It could just be normal biological difference, we all have them. Someone might be born with 6 functional fingers, should that 6th one be surgically removed just coz it's deviant?
Thus "deviant" is not really a word i use.
(cont...)
roidroid 8 months ago
@rusty2029 (cont...)
But YES i do think some sex is harmful as a rule, such as non-consentual sex (ie: rape, incl statutory rape). Basically things society considers to be sexual abuse.
The sex you had at 13, i'd consider it abuse because i'm assuming it was partially or entirely non-consentual, or even statutory. The fact that it was also homoerotic isn't really relevant to the question of whether it was abuse or not, it's abuse regardless of the sexes. You were abused by another kid.
roidroid 8 months ago
@roidroid I note that you do recognize there are boundaries. This is a good thing. We all have human rights and ALL should be accepted regardless of gender issue. My position is nuanced and is against any overt judicial fiat forcing anything on anybody. The acceptance of the lifestyle is not to be beat into an unacceptable public and the marriage issue is the WORST instrument to try and use. IF even ONE sexual orientation is added as a NEW civil right where do you then set the bounds.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@roidroid I hope you already know of the controversy and reason it was removed from the DSM III but regardless it will not be going back in any future DSM thanks to the same homosexual hierarchy in the Psychological community. But you don't seem to understand the basic kernel of the issue. Let me put it in all caps so you understand. NO GENDER ORIENTATION HAS EVER BEEN A CIVIL RIGHT.... NONE. For all you know I am as closeted queer as it gets, it does not change facts.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 Homosexual agenda? Anybody that uses this term should immediately be laughed at and evaluated for mental disorders. One of my best friends is gay. His mom and dad still love him and I have never seen him happier. He has no agenda. All he wants to do is live his life and have the same rights as others. It's morons that use terms like 'homosexual agenda' that have the true agenda. As seen in many cases, that agenda is masking their own insecurities, and love for dick.
JeanetteTherese 8 months ago
@JeanetteTherese "Homosexual agenda"
I agree with your sentiments here. On the subject of terminology. I think it was mistake for the current movement in America to refer to their struggle as the struggle for "Gay" rights. They aren't fighting for homosexual rights. They are fighting for civil rights. The language being used today really obfuscates the issue. It isn't that homosexuals or trans-genders should have equal rights. It's that Americans should have equal rights.
t3tsuyaguy1 8 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 We all already have civil rights but what is wanted is a NEW right in regard to who one wants to have sex with. You are don't want to deal with the idea that there are BOTH psychological and physical issues that have to do with orientation. Physical issues means there is a normal and an abnormal hence a medical treatment. Psychological issues are far more complicated and not near as addressable as the physical ones. Yet here this video confirms a physical, treatable component.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 Since you intend to have both sides of this conversation yourself, I'm gonna go somewhere else.
t3tsuyaguy1 8 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 ROFL that means I am Bi-Winning amiright? Bottom line. No new rights needed and there are medical treatments that could be created if Parents or the Individual wanted them. Identity politics is a poor way to change hearts and minds in regard to this specific issue. Oh... and Post-Modernism is really dangerous.
rusty2029 8 months ago
@rusty2029 Tell me. What else do I think? You clearly feel comfortable making my arguments for me, so let's here the whole thing. What's my agenda if you will? Do I have a five point plan, or am I winging it? I want to hear more about my Post-Modernist perspective, if you please.
Cheese-off you nonce.
t3tsuyaguy1 8 months ago