Kerning did exist, but that's not kerning. That's just a case of some of the keys were slightly off-center. There's actually MORE space between some of the letters, which wouldn't be the case if it were kerning. Plus the Nordyke twins (born around the same time as Obama in the same hospital) birth certificates were obviously typed on the exact same typewriter--the spacing between the letters is identical.
The entire premise of this is that "kerning" like functions didn't exist when Obama was born. They did exist (go to the above link); as such, this entire argument is invalidated. Not that it surprises anyone who isn't a moron.
How do you "prove" something is "more than likely" anything? If you are going to make a crackpot conspiracy theory on YouTube, it helps not to make yourself sound like an idiot before you even get into the basis of your argument...
Other evidence they were done on the same typewriter is the consistent misalignment of the lower case 't's. Every lower case 't' in both the Nordyke twins and Obama's birth certificates is misaligned in the exact same way. You see this as evidence of kerning but what it is really evidence of is both certificates were done on the same typewriter.
Uh, that's not kerning. Look at the one for the Nordyke twins--it's the same. Look particularly at where it says "Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital:" Notice that it is IDENTICAL on Obama's and on the Nordyke twins BC's. Obviously they were (surprise surprise) done on the same typewriter. It's not kerning.
seriously it's just sad honestly... and you guys really need to chill out and stop hating the left so much and worry about the corporate elite they're the ones fucking everything and taking all the money. seriously do you think obamas money really comes from different peoples pockets than any republican politicians? politics are just a game and you guys are playing the exact part they want you to wake up already
@robertcst1 I never tried to say whether this video is true or false because honestly I don't care fuck all politicians that's the point I was trying to make
i hate obama too but jesus christ you people are just making your selves look like a bunch of crazy ignorant racists by obsessing over this birth certificate thing.
O-Buma , what a true piece of Puppet garbage he is . I never forgot the fact he had his cousin murder a few dozen people back in Kenya burned to death in a church , so for it i hope he gets burned as well for his deceptive con of Traitoristic Treason that dirtbag against a nation that he should have no power over. Wake up Sheeples O-Buma is a con man working for the worlds biggest criminals The NWO to sell us all out down the river of total destruction.
I see what you are saying. It would be very beneficial had you put the Nordyke and BO cert side by side showing the differences blown up of the hospital name. It is very hard to tell otherwise. This video would be more convincing especially when trying to prove something many people do not understand. I had to watch and rewind several times to see the differences. Side by side comparison please. :)
@ppsimmons: “The KERNING process requires that you know what the next letter is going to be.”
Flatly not true. The kerning is NOT done until the SECOND letter of the kerning pair is received. The SECOND letter is shifted backwards by the specified kerning amount (in internal font units).
Example: if I type “To” in a specific PROPORTIONAL font, and it has a kerning pair for “T,o,-50”, the “T” STAYS STILL but the “o” is shifted 50 units to the left to “tuck” it under the overhang of the “T.”
Proportional spacing ≠ kerning. This is true. That said, kerning is ONLY used WITH proportionally spaced fonts, unless the user and font designer were both deliberately trying to blow the whole POINT of a MONOspaced font.
MONOspaced fonts, such as those used to fake the appearance of a typewriter (e.g. Courier, Courier New, Prestige Elite, Pica, etc., as well as those used to emulate DOS prompts and such pre-graphics computer displays such as Terminal), do NOT have kerning pairs.
(cont.) This text you’re reading now is almost certainly in the Arial font, the most common sans-serif proportional font since Windows 3.x came out (Helvetica was the most common before). It is indeed proportionally spaced, but at least on older browsers, is NOT KERNED (older browsers don’t do auto-kerning). Look at this word: “YouTube.” See the apparent tiny gaps between “Y” and “o”, “u” and “T”, and “T” and “u”? Kerning would “tuck” the following vowels under the overhangs of “Y” and “T.”
Do you people really think that the long form was done the same day or the next day after a birth? These BC’s like many things back then, were done either by a medical transcriptionist or an 8-5 secretary type. They get done when they get done. Any of you folks know a former medical transcriptionist? I do! That was one job my mom had to help pay for her college education. Why don't ya'll get some real education!!!
Get your facts straight. The Nordyke twins' BCs were recently issued to their mother upon request. So was Alan Booth's, which was obtained by his mother in March, 2011. Odd isn't it that Miki Booth was able to get a copy of her son's long form when you all keep saying that Hawaii doesn't issue long forms.
I am absolutely sure that everyone, who has used Adobe products professionally will NOT vote for Obama. Even a person with a months worth of experience with Adobe Photoshop outdated version would have done a better job than what Obama's people came up with.
Is anyone really suprised by this? And yes I have over 9 years of using ALL Adobe products and programs. This is absolutely a forged document. They could have fixed this in so many simple ways (like just printing and rescanning) it's crazy. The things on this really do jump out at you. Obama really thinks Americans are this stupid. His devout brain-dead supporters sure are. NOBAMA 2012!!!
In the "ty" example given, you simply have to put the mouse cursor up to the video to see the letters don't overlap, except maybe a pixel or two where the ink is slightly bleeding
The ink bleeds so much that it's hard to tell where the character were actually punched. The scan qaulity is also just bad, and it appears that OCR or something has fudged with the text a bit, as it's not all uniform and you can see the written parts look very different and less pixelated.
if they can make 911 look like whatever they want, well don't be surprised if in 50 years you find out that Obama was Osama, piece of cake with the people running the show all they had to do is to change one letter and bang, they got ya one more time, and more to come,
But will the Mainstream Media even talk about this? Nahhh....they don't care. They are a bunch of losers who don't know what an Investigative Report was, even if it bit them on the butt. It's sad to see that not even Fox News has the balls to show the problems with this FAKE, FRAUDULENT, and obviously MANIPULATED piece of trash that is being passed off as a legitimate Birth Certificate. Something's seriously wrong: Layers, Haloing Background, Kerning, and a Seal missing. I'm shaking my head.
if the characters WERE perfectly aligned and spaced, and presented as having been struck on a typewriter in 1961 ... then that, sir, is almost certainly a forgery!
In the mid-50s, electric typewriters were less than 10% of the market.
Conclusion: Any birth certificate completed in Hawaii in 1961 was almost certainly, completed on a crappy mechanical typewriter. With a rattling carriage return and typebars flyin' wild. Of course, all of this proves nothing about the White House image, but it definitely embarrasses those latching onto "kerning" as an ironclad proof of a "forgery". Typewriters can, and did, produce just such spacing variations all the time.
Instead of blindly accepting what you want to hear, have you looked at the Nordyke BC's? Rather than focus on the areas this presenter chooses? Capitals shifted vertically, character pairs with excessive spacing, and characters that overlap. None of this, on the Obama or Nordyke BCs, is "kerning"; that implies an intentional act. Go google "images of typewritten pages" and study for awhile. If the characters were perfectly aligned, THAT would be suspicious!
So you are picking and choosing which "irregularities" to be concerned over? The images I have seen of the Nordyke BCs are very low-res, but even so it is clear the "Ho" in 7c are touching. Moreover, have you reviewed images of other typewritten pages? The assumption here is that typewriters cannot strike two characters in the same physical space. Ignorance. The characters are struck one at a time. Anything is possible. Come over and use my 1932 Remington sometime!
typewriters DID have kerning in the form of crude, arbitrary, horizontal adjustments, that is, manipulating the distance the either the paper (on manual models) or ball (on later electrics) shifted between character strikes. To save space (such as, when filling out forms...), this could be dialed down, to the point of putting characters on top of each other.
Google, "typewritten pages". Scroll down to "Images for typewritten pages". You'll get about 66,300 images from all over the web, in various forms. There are numerous images high-res enough to study just how imprecise typewriters could be, and how varied their "kerning" could be. And demonstrate repeatedly that typewriters can indeed butt characters right next to each other, as well as space them out.
surprise, surprise. Of course his BC is fake. Why did he spend 2-3 million dollars hiding it? Why did he wait until halfway through his term to show it? To change it before we see it.
@timd941, Obama did NOT spend $2–3 million to hide his birth certificate. He paid money to his law firm for post-campaign expenses. Some wannabe journalist saw that and tried to make it look like the only reason he’d do that is to hide his birth certificate, but that is simply not the case. ALL modern political candidates have post-campaign legal expenses, and they can add up to quite a bundle.
It's very funny how this seems to be the main concern of so many opposing political parties. There are bigger issues than this, come on now! xD At least make yourselves look credible xD
Phil Berg is well out of his depth on this one. Which is why I sleep well at night knowing he's too stupid to decode why Obama gave Lizzie the etiquette finger. Nice one Obama.
I find it interesting, there are all these Christians like myself and others who are praying for God to reveal the truth about the NWO and then these fraud perpetrators get tripped up somehow and exposed for their incompetence. They are foolish for thinking we are stupid and will let it pass.
In my opinion, it is God's will these people are exposed. But why, is it so Obama can be impeached and become available to be president of the UN, or a plan to cause a revolt, so they can have martial law?
Does anyone know if the same single typewriter was used on Obama's and the twins? Was there a single secretary in charge of typing them up or was it given to whoever had a free typewriter? I would say the t's are just a mechanical alignment error but then the 'Gy' is far too closely spaced together to the rest of the text so alignment is not the issue. I am a CS grad and to me it seems the added text was generated character by character and irregularly arranged as to give it a natural feel.
I believe he used the billionaire who is a Dem and supported to finally come forth with the LFBC. He knew it was fraudulent and he knew it was a bad copy. He also knows that folks are not even going to ask the most obvious question of all: "why did you wait 2 years to bring this LFBC to the public?" What is wrong with US citizens? He also knows that he has time on his side, because this country will fall and the LFBC will make no difference.
@TheBibleIsLame - World Net Daily has an entire REPOSITORY of articles on the BC - they quote document experts, computer experts (people who produce computer docs for a living for huge companies) and they quote investigators. They show pictures and they document thier resources. Go to WND(DOTCOM) and do search on BC document problems. ALso watch 2 vids on our channel 1. The Nordyke Twins and Obama REgistration Number and 2. SEVEN huge problems with the Obama BC.
ppsimmons, We The People need a multimillion march on Washington. There has been a total media blackout and a total blackout of this Constitutional Crisis on the Hill. Will you lead us?
the chicago jews put him in office, there is no real backstory as far as his parents, the whole obama thing was created for this BS to keep him in line if the brain surgery didnt haha
@TheBibleIsLame EVOLUTION by natural selection BEGINS with chemosynthesis and abiogenesis. Random, unpurposed, unplanned, no intelligent input. From there the Magic Man of evolution takes over and creates 20 million species of life and all of their intricate interwoven "systems." Yes - randomness is HUGE in evo theory. I have been writing, debating, speaking and producing videos on this topic for 30 years. I can go as deep as you wish. Do not start an evo debate on this thread.
CONTINUED... If you do start an evo debate on this thread you will be blocked. All right - now that this is out of the way....THANK YOU for watching the video. Thank you for your comments. From your username I can see that you might wish to get into a biblical debate. Please don't on this thread. Plain and simple. Again - thank you for watching this vid. and YES - the BC is fake. ;-)
Comparison with the birth certificates issued before and after this one can provide clear evidence of 'type' patterns and proof of alteration.
Another question, albeit more of a general question for this administration and it's handlers is this:
If, hypothetically, everything was "legit", why would a "copy of a birth certificate" take over 3 years to be released??? Answer that question government/media! It's a very simple question that you can't answer.And where is the original?
"IBM announces the Electromatic Model 04 electric typewriter, featuring the revolutionary concept of proportional spacing. By assigning varied rather than uniform spacing to different sized characters, the Type 4 recreated the appearance of a printed page, an effect that was further enhanced by a typewriter ribbon innovation that produced clearer, sharper words on the page. The proportional spacing feature became a staple of the IBM Executive series typewriters." - Source: IBM Archives 1941
@rondlite - ONE MORE TIME! Proportional Spacing is NOT THE SAME as kerning. Pastor Gallups spent the better part of an entire day on the phone with 2 IBM execs and a typesetter. ALL said it is IMPOSSIBLE to produce KERNING on a typewriter. NEVER can be done. PROP. SPACING - yes... KERNING - no. They looked at this vid and said it was a classic example of KERNING. This case is pretty much closed. Thanks for posting though. Do a little more research on KERNING.
@ppsimmons I discussed this with a fellow MoA. I do know the difference. In the video you compare the typesetting of the form to the typewriter output. When I checked the video again it was actually overlapping letters. Overlapped letters. Not kerned.
@rondlite - AGAIN - you are wrong. Our IBM experts viewed the video and declared it to be CLASSIC KERNING. We will take their word for it. Please do not continue this argument. You have made your case - we have made ours. END OF THE MATTER. Thanks.
Where are your anonymous "experts" then? Are they experts *from* IBM or do they simply claim expertise in "anything IBM" or what are their credentials exactly?
@magicmulder FROM THE ADOBE SITE (partnersdotadobe) on kerning -"There is no consensus on the ideal number of kerning pairs that should be specified in a font; the number ranges from maybe 30 to over 4000. Adobe uses approximately 280 in standard Type 1 fonts, and approximately 800 in an Adobe Originals font. Some font developers provide thousands of kern pairs." YOU ARE WRONG SIR - you cannot catagorically state that there are NO fonts that use kerning. Our video clearly shows one.
@ppsimmons, About a month ago you said to @magicmulder: “YOU ARE WRONG SIR — you cannot catagorically [sic] state that there are NO fonts that use kerning.” You then Blocked him for “trolling.”
I searched this thread for where @magicmulder said any such thing, and this is all I could find, from a post to @taratorah: “Besides, kerning doesn’t happen with computer-generated FIXED-WIDTH fonts.”
He never said that NO fonts use kerning. FIXED WIDTH = MONOSPACED fonts. THEY don't kern.
@magicmulder - ALSO - on this same Adobe site - they have a whole page of "kerning pair" examples with the corresponding fonts. There are thousands of them. Several use the A and the P for kerning. Go look for yourself. We found it in a 5 minute google search. YOU are #### BUSTED ####. Just thought you might like to know. :-) See how much you can learn - when you come to our comment threads.
@ppsimmons (to @magicmulder): “ALSO — on this same Adobe site — they have a whole page of “kerning pair” examples with the corresponding fonts. There are thousands of them. Several use the A and the P for kerning.”
You do know that a kerning PAIR requires the SAME SET of letters IN THE SPECIFIC ORDER? Merely having some pairs using EITHER “a” OR “p” doesn’t cut it.
Also, this is CASE-SENSITIVE. An “A,P” pair is NOT the same as an “a,p” pair, and it’s the LATTER that’s needed.
@ppsimmons, (cont.) Moreover, the mere presence of a given kerning pair does NOT mean that that pair is actually kerned. A kerning pair consists of THREE parameters: the first letter, the second letter, and the AMOUNT BY WHICH TO KERN (usually a NEGATIVE integer).
If that amount is ZERO, then there is NO KERNING, •EVEN IF• THAT PAIR IS SPECIFIED IN THE FONT FILE!
The ONLY example I could find on the Adobe website that showed the “a, p” kerning pair read: “a, p, 0” which means ZERO KERNING!
@ppsimmons, Who are these “2 IBM execs” that Pastor Gallups spent the better part of an entire day on the phone with? What are their names and positions?
Because what they said is flatly not true. It IS true that no typewriter in the 1960s could do kerning, and no MECHANICAL or ELECTRO-MECHANICAL typewriter could do that, but no typewriter EVER? Wrong. In the 1980s–90s there were “word processors” which were typewriters with microchips and small screens built-in, and they COULD kern.
Isn't it possible that the typewriter was just damaged or faulty and crowded the letters? Also, who even cares if the president was born in the US or not? I always thought that requirement was sort of stupid, I am entirely fine with a first generation immigrant being president.
@lmworthen - NO...it is not possible to create KERNING with a "faulty" typewriter. Wait .... I bet you think that it is possible to create 20 million species of life from an accidental, random, non-purposed explosion of matter and chemicals too - don't you? Just guessing. ;-)
WELL...just as the typical evo has never applied critical thinking to the idea of complex genetic information being ADDED over time (that this has NEVER been observed to happen), your young commenter (above) has never thought to examine a typewriter, and notice that the striking arms CANNOT move horizontally! I was trying to choose between *facepalm* and *headdesk* when I noticed he was only 20..... :D
Actually 18, I made this account when I was 12 so I lied about my age. Yeah I've never used a typewriter ever and know literally zero about their operation.
Okay, that's kinda funny! But typewriters are fun to play with -- I wish I had kept my mom's.
While I'm here....and since you haven't yet been subjected to 4 or more years of brainwashing by the academic elites (It's not pretty - you don't want to go there), please consider a self-propelled study on critical thinking (which is highly discouraged in the university setting), because it could wind up saving you YEARS of being conned and USED! You will always be your own man.
@taratorah "and notice that the striking arms CANNOT move horizontally"
However you do notice that the typewriter moves the paper horizontally whenever you type a letter (otherwise you'd be typing in the same spot all the time).
Now the prize question: what happens if you type two letters faster than the typewriter can move the paper horizontally one letter width?
Answer: exactly what you call "kerning". Besides, kerning doesn't happen with computer-generated fixed-width fonts.
I learned to type on the old-style typewriter, and I owned my own typesetting, offset printing and sign-making business. I have NEVER had the experience of observing any purely mechanical device with a glitch so extreme that it could auto-kern a dazzling impression of a non-fixed-width font. Never. I would need to see the device in question and observe the particular mechanical flaw that caused this auto-kerning behavior in order to take your comment even halfway seriously!
@taratorah, I won’t get into evolution here, as it would be a MAJOR threadjack (even though ppsimmons himself brought it up).
That said, yes, buddy, the striking arms CAN and DO INDEED move horizontally. They move both vertically and horizontally, in an arc from their rest position to strike the ribbon in front of the paper and platen. There’s some “slop” to the mechanism, and a diagonally cut guide helps guide the type bar into place. It’s shaped about like this: “_/ \_”.
@COMALiteJ Uh....evolution....okay....did you just come from another comment?
I learned how to type on standard typewriters. I have used many of them. While they might wiggle and shift a little like your grandpa's old truck, they do not perform acrobatics. Well, non-magical ones don't, at least.
@taratorah, So have I. I used manual typewriters in childhood. They do indeed shift noticeably, and indeed, back in the day before ball and daisywheel typewriters got so popular, the shifting of individual characters on a typewriter was unique to each typewriter, enough so that law enforcment used that as a form of forensic to prove which typewriter typed which document. There were episodes of police drama TV shows and even the “Dick Tracy” comic strip on this very subject.
@taratorah, (cont.) Keep in mind that in the .PDF seen online, the document has been scanned and run through Adobe Acrobat Pro’s “Optimize Scanned PDF” function (which happens AUTOMATICALLY if you scan DIRECTLY into Acrobat Pro — indeed, if you DON’T want that, you have to JUMP THROUGH HOOPS to tell it NOT to!), which invokes MRC (Multiple Raster Content) algorithms which not only cause the layers, but also reduce most of the typed text to MONOCHROME (100% black or 100% clear) pixels.
@taratorah, (cont.) Why is this MRC process important? It FULLY explains the layers, just for starters, but moreover, because most (not all) of the typewritten text is transformed into a reduced-resolution ONE-BIT-PER-PIXEL MONOCHROME bitmap, there is NO antialiasing. NO shades of gray.
Now, THE fundamental thing about ANY raster image is that, in the raster itself, there cannot be ANY “in-between pixels.” Any given pixel must be ONE color THROUGHOUT the pixel.
@taratorah, (cont.) Anti-aliasing can FAKE the APPEARANCE of “in-between pixels” (it’s how “font smoothing” works), by using intermediate shades of gray or color. This happens naturally when scanning in color or grayscale, but the MRC process of Acrobat Pro’s “Optimize Scanned PDF” REMOVES this.
As a result, anything that was shifted in position by LESS THAN one pixel now appears to have been shifted by a FULL pixel (since there CAN6T be in-between pixels), increasing the APPEARANCE of shift!
@taratorah, (cont.) Now let’s look at the SPECIFIC case of the alleged kerning of “ap” as discussed in this video:
On manual typewriters, your fingers physically provided the force needed to move the hammers to hit the ribbon. That meant that the hammers were laid out horizontally like the keyboard. Now, look where [A] and [P] keys are on your keyboard (whose layout is based on that of typewriters). [A] is at the FAR LEFT, and [P] is near the FAR RIGHT!
@taratorah (cont.) Why is THAT important? Because the hammers were arranged in an inverted arc shape around the platen where they were designed to strike. Because they came from left and right as well as near the center (for letters such as [Y]), the hammers (particularly for letters near the sides) would have to move in a CURVED path. That means CENTRIFUGAL FORCE! The [A], coming from the LEFT, would be pulled slightly to the RIGHT, while the [P], coming from the RIGHT, would be pulled LEFT!
Have you ever heard or read the quote "A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument"....? It's utterly and completely truth-based, and it works for women as well! ;)
@taratorah, Wrong on all counts. First off, clichés and proverbial “wisdom” is not “utterly and completely truth-based.” It’s also inherently contradictory. For instance, “Look before you leap,” BUT, “He who hesitates is lost.” Also, “Absence makes the heart grow fonder,” BUT, “Out of sight, out of mind.”
That said, I do have experience, not just arguments. I’ve actually MADE MY OWN PostScript fonts FROM SCRATCH, BEFORE font utilities or even Illustrator 1.0 existed. And, I know typewriters.
You are working really hard here! But, hey -- to each his own! I'm sure you will not only continue to believe what you believe, but you truly believe you know more than anyone else. So, have fun! Life is short.
@taratorah, No, actually, I do NOT believe that I know more than anyone else. I do, however, know what I’m talking about on these subjects.
Working really hard? If I wanted to work hard on this, I’d be making video responses, not typing text. That said, I do take this VERY seriously. Why? Because I DON’T LIKE OBAMA!! I’d like him GONE! I even believe that he may well have been born in Kenya!
So why am I fighting against the “evidence” here? Because it’s “Boy Who Cried ‘WOLF!’” stuff!
@taratorah, (cont.) You remember that story, right? A boy lived in a village that was threatened by a man-eating wolf. His task was to keep watch, and warn the village by crying “WOLF!” when he saw the wolf. One day, he decided to have a bit of fun, as young boys often do, and cried “WOLF!” as a prank. The town mustered its forces, the women and children took shelter in a panic, and the boy laughed and laughted. “Where’s the wolf?” “Oh, I was just kidding.” They were ticked at him.
@taratorah, (cont.) You know the rest. The boy continues to have his fun, day after day. The wolf really is dangerous, so they still muster for awhile. Then one day, the wolf really DOES come. The boy cries “WOLF!!” The people and town watch just ignore him. “You’re not fooling US again.” “No, I REALLY MEAN it THIS time!” “SuuuURRRE you do.” And they went about their business.
And the wolf entered the village and killed many inhabitants, including the boy’s family.
@taratorah, (cont.) Now, in this story, the boy was doing what he was doing deliberately. He knew the wolf wasn’t really there — until it was, and then it was too late. But the other point of the story, that insisting that untruths are true (even if, as in the case with the Birthers, they really do believe it to be true), discredits the whole case. Then, when we have REAL evidence against Obama, the media and the courts just say, “Oh, that’s just more Birther B.S.” They won’t believe us.
@taratorah, Oh, one last thing: YouTube’s standard Text Comments layout (both when viewing the video, and when doing “View all comments”) makes it hard to see which comment was in Reply to which prior Comment. Click on “Sort by thread (beta)” and you’ll see that my post mentioning evolution was in Reply NOT to the one it appeared after in the regular view, but in Reply to yours that began, and I copy-paste quote:
“WELL…just as the typical evo has never applied critical thinking…”
@lmworthen You ignore the real issue. This President LIED about where is was born. If a Republican President did this, you would be the first to say Impeach! Most politicians would have produced this docutment when first asked. And why should me and you be required to produce documents to prove who we are?
I just reviewed my 1966 military paperwork-DD214. It has Kerning type. So why isn't MSNBC covering this issue for a Democrat? If Obama produced this same form to get a passport, he would being committing fraud.
@cristop5 - Sorry to say that you are wrong sir. There is NO Kerning ANYWHERE on the Nordyke BC. I am afraid that you do not know what kerning is. Kerning has NOTHING to do with the letters "moving around" on the paper. It is a very PURPOSED arranging of only certain letter pairs in certain fonts that purposely "nestles" or "tucks" these pairs together for a pleasing look to the eye. A 1960's typewriter was INCAPABLE of producing these letter pair kernings. BHO's has it - the Nordykes - NOT.
@ppsimmons Here is a link to a typewritten letter by Clemetine Churchill from 1950. You will clearly see that some letters crowd and apparently "kern", especially the letters "my". Mrs Churchill was not using a computer back then.
@cristop5 - THE PREMISE of your argument is WRONG. Again - Kerning is NOT the same as overlapping letters, crowded letters or impinged letters and spacing - all of which COULD occur on old typewriters. KERNING (one more time - and the LAST time) is a PURPOSED, stylistic process of pairing only certain letters that PURPOSELY and EVENLY take up each other's vertical space for the purpose of pleasing the eye. Again - you obviously do not know what kerning is. Please do not spam this site anymore.
There is literally no way to tell if letter crowding is purposeful or not. You can't prove that the letters didn't just look kerned from crowding by coincidence it is literally IMPOSSIBLE.
@lmworthen - We have spent much time on the phone with experts in this field. Several from IBM. They disagree with your acertion. We will go with their assessment of the matter. The video is correct. If you don't like it fine. It is obvious that you care nothing about the constitution and that you are "fine" with an "immigrant" in the white house. That is your perogative - but do not try and twist the truth of this vid. It will earn you a "bye-bye." Fair enough?
CONTINUED - your other post was deleted because it had an accusation of racism in it. We do not allow that - There is nothing RACIST about asking ANY president of ANY color to identify himself as constitutionally eligble to hold the office. If you pull the race card again you will be blocked from our channel and ALL our posts. Just fair warning.
@cristop5 Well, you have just proved again that it's not "kerning" but "overlapping".
It's a moot argument anyway since there is no way to distinguish deliberate overlapping (kerning) from accidental overlapping by just looking at two letters. But the fact that there is no font that uses kerning to overlap "a" and "p" as in "Kapiolani", the argument "all overlapping letters must be due to deliberate kerning" fails.
YES< you are 100% rght the birthcitificate is a fabrication to try and quit the media concerned of his radical ways that could not come from a president that loves his country and would do everything in his power to protect it!This president should be stopped in his tracks or the Americans and the rest of the world we feel the rath of his radical ways of starting a war between Christians ,Jews agains Muslim (Islam)
You sir have proven yourself to be disingenuous, a troll and a person who thinks they know something that in reality they do not. It is obvious that you know very little about kerning and that you are here to promote yourself and to argue incessently regardless of the information presented to you. We have tolerated you long enough - we have answered every question. So now we will say - BYE BYE.
NO disagreement does NOT breech any rules. However, none of us here know you nor the veracity of your claim to be an "expert." However, we have personally consulted with KNOWN experts who assure us that this video is 100% correct and accurate. Also - if you will read through the posts -you will note that there are several others like yourself who claim to have experience and expertise in this matter and THEY agree with this video. Your views are interesting but not in agreement with experts.
@ppsimmons I've never claimed to be a typography expert expert but I do have over 20 years experience working with fonts in DTP.
I'd like to know exactly how the experts you cite have assured you that the 'video is 100% correct and accurate'.
If they merely state that automatic kerning was not technically possible in 1961 (which is what I am lead to believe), that is hardly a 100% endorsement of the video.
Anyway, I'm bored with this now. I would doubt anybody's expertise who endorses this.
@MOLEFANGS - Yes - in the very same way that we seriously doubt yours. Geeeeee. we are so glad that you know more than anyone else in this matter. your presumptuousness is astounding. well since you are bored...we can only hope that we do not hear from anymore of your brilliance. i don't know if we could stand it. ;-)
### ATTENTION ### - We have spoken with an IBM expert and a typesetting expert. They confirm that this video is 100% correct. This video is THE SMOKING GUN on the fraudulent BC. Would YOU PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help us get this video out to the citizens of the US? Send to news, radio, TV, congressmen, judges, politicians, pastors, radio hosts, Drudge, Newsmax, etc. etc THIS IS A MONUMENTAL discovery. It is Woodward and Bernstein Stuff. Nixon was brought down for less than this. PLEASE help!
Why then is it only the pairs with descending letters that show kerning. If you can find a couple of examples an "i" and an "o" with kerning you may have a point but I don't see any.
@iamchillydogg You also seem to be missing the point that fonts which are designed to emulate a typewriter are generally monospace fonts, i.e. characters are the same width and do not have kerning pairs. You seem to be under the impression that kerning is calculated on the fly but kerning pairs are assigned by the font's designer. Any kerning which occurs, therefore, must be inserted by the forger - to know how to do that would blow away the hypothesis that this was produced by an amateur.
@pataskalagirl, both BCs that Obama has shown DO have the embossed seal. They’re just not easily seen when scanned, due to the nature of flatbed scanners. Flatbed scanners BY DESIGN minimize the visibility of paper-fiber deformations such as folds, wrinkles, etc., which are almost always undesirable to have show up in the final scanned image.
But embossed seals are ALSO just paper-fiber deformations, albeit intentional ones. The scanner still minimizes their visibility, though.
@COMALiteJ The first one he showed was a novelty BC they gave to all babies arriving on the island in the sixties. It was not a photocopy (look at yours) this latest one is an even bigger joke. It is stamped right on it that it was created in 2011 and it is an abstract which means it depicts completely different document then is on file. Which means the announcement that his grandparents made for papers could be a note they extrapolated this fake document from. A real BC is photocopy of file
@pataskalagirl, Wrong. There were no “novelty BCs.” That would be a FEDERAL FELONY. What Obama showed in 2008 was a CertifiCATION of Live Birth, aka a “Short-Form” BIRTH CERTIFICATE. What he showed this year was a CertifiCATE of Live Birth, aka a “Long-Form” Birth Certificate.
The OFFICIAL State Government of Hawaii website, Hawaii-Dot-GOV, says point-blank that BOTH CertifiCATES of Live Birth AND CertifiCATIONS of Live Birth ARE BIRTH CERTIFICATES.
@COMALiteJ The first one was a novelty BC they gave to anyone who arrived on the island in the 60"s.
The second one has already been proven to be a composite . Not a photocopy of what is on file, as you have in your file. The latest one admits it was made in 2011. It also says it can be an abstract of what is on file. Which means it resembles nothing that is on file. Hawaii has proven it can lie over and over.They just made it possible by law to make brand new certificates for this purpose.
@pataskalagirl, I already debunked the “novelty BC” thing. Merely repeating it again doesn’t make it true.
As for the second one, no, it’s not a “composite.” I won’t go into detail on THIS thread, as this video is about kerning, but in threads on videos about the LAYERS, I go into considerable detail. It’s called MRC.
Any “experts” who don’t ALREADY know what “MRC” stands for when used in conjuction with Adobe .PDF files, without having to look it up, is NOT AN EXPERT in what’s required.
@COMALiteJ Simply saying it is not whether by you or anyone willing to parse words is not debunking. The fact is it was given to people arriving on the island with babies in the 60's. A novelty keepsake.
The latest document says it was produced in 2011. The latest document says it is an abstract meaning it doesn't resemble what is on file at all. Experts are debunking the latest one like crazy. It is a composite of several documents. Not a photocopy not real.
@pataskalagirl, I just did a Google and Bing search looking for any mention of “novelty” “birth certificate” “Hawaii.” I found only ONE mention, ANYWHERE, and it used the same wording and phraseology you’ve been using.
That was in a comment on an opinion website called “SodaHead” where I am a member (my handle there is “COMALite J” — no space in my handle here because YouTube disallows them). This comment was posted by “Jackie” on Feb. 9 on a thread about yet another debunked Birther claim.
@COMALiteJ You really think anything can be googled don't you. Novelty is my word. so that was me. There have been no debunking ever of any birther claim.
@pataskalagirl, So, your ONLY evidence for your claim that Hawaii gave out “novelty birth certificates” to anyone with a baby in the 1960s is, “because I said so”? You really wanna go with that?
Do you have ANY ACTUAL evidence for that claim other than your own say-so?
And yes, there has been a LOT of debunking of EVERY birther claim. I personally have shown how anyone, and I do mean ANYone, with a decent Windows or Mac computer, can produce ALL of the same effects with a GENUINE document.
@COMALiteJ Hawaiian officials have said so. And it was common practice then. And those novelty items were not able to be used for ID purposes till that fact was pointed out recently then they changed it as cover. No debunking just alot of saying that they have debunked it. But never one real debunking has happened yet.
@pataskalagirl, Again, SHOW ME •WHICH• “Hawaiian officials” have said any such thing, and WHEN and WHERE they said it, and WHERE the RECORD of them saying so can be found. Video preferred of the actual authority/ies (not someone quoting him/her/them), audio (ditto) or CERTIFIED transcript or accepted NON--BIASED JOURNALISTIC source acceptable. Your say-so is NOT.
You know — EVIDENCE. Like I’ve been asking for all along. Ee Vee Eye Dee Ee En Sea Eee. •EVIDENCE•.
@COMALite This is old stuff. I am not wasting my time searching for stuff again. Besides something is wrong with my Utube. scroll is out of whack and the search won't work it is getting very tedious finding post and managing to post also. What should be taking 5 minutes is taking 30 min. How about you prove to me these novelties BC existed before the 60's and after the sixties instead. after all if legit they would still be doing them today.
@pataskalagirl, Sorry, but your computer problems are, well, YOUR problem. The burden of proof remains on the one making the assertion, and that’s you.
How about •I• prove to YOU that these “novelties BC” existed before and after the 60s? Naw. You don’t get it. My assumption (until I see EVIDENCE otherwise) is that they NEVER existed. Not during the 60s, not before, not after, not EVER.
What Obama showed in 2008 was PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE of Hawaiian birth. Look up “PRIMA FACIE.”
@COMALiteJ Yes it is my problem with You Tube and still quite tedious. Sorry but the novelty BC were a thing of the 60's celebrating their becoming part of the USA. Sorry he has shown the Novelty BC and now an outright forgery BC. Nothing real so far. So can only doubt that he was born here at all. And it really doesn't matter because he is not a Natural Born Citizen no matter where he was born. He is illegally in office, a Usurper a criminal. He is not Native natural born a citizen naturally.
@pataskalagirl, EVIDENCE. Show me anyone in any relevant official position in Hawaii saying anything even remotely resembling that, OR any news source OF THE TIME saying anything even remotely resembling that, OR show me an image of an actual “novelty” BC such as you allege was given out in the 60s.
In reality, what he showed in 2008 was a CertifiCATION of Live Birth. PRIMA FACIE.
I have systematically disproven EACH and EVERY piece of digital “evidence” brought against the “long form” BC.
@COMALiteJ It was what they did. They gave out the novelty BC in the 60's to anyone arriving with a baby to Hawaii.
The latest one is a complete forgery. Proven by several sources. The fact that you are uninformed or chose not to be aware is not my fault. I have no obligation to educate you. You simply have to wish to look for it. It even says it was an abstract created in April 2011. Which translates to resembling nothing they have on file.
@pataskalagirl, Again: your say-so is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. EVIDENCE, or it NEVER HAPPENED. If you have computer problems, borrow another computer. Your church’s, your neighbor’s, your library’s, your office’s, whatever. But show me EVIDENCE.
On the latest one: it MAY BE a forgery, but if so, it was forged ON PAPER, BEFORE it was scanned. I have read all of the “several sources” that you claim “prove” it. I do this stuff for a living (digital forensics), and NONE of those “proofs” hold up.
@COMALiteJ Sorry the latest is an obvious forgery so if you do this stuff for a living is hard to believe you are clueless.
point is a photocopy would have been an unimpeachable proof. Yet no................
My problem is only here at this site. Only my scroll wheel and arrow buttons work here. If anyone reading this has a suggestion feel free to offer it.
@pataskalagirl, I’m sorry to hear about your problems with YouTube, but I fail to see why that would prevent you from finding evidence to support your claim. Those would involve sites OTHER THAN YouTube (e.g. Hawaii and US government sites, legal research sites, search engines, etc.). At any rate, I’ll try to help you in Private Messages, rather than clutter this thread up with irrelevant computer help stuff.
As for the “forgery,” no, it isn’t. The things that look obvious are wrong.
Note, though, that I do NOT claim that I have proven that the long form, OR the 2008 COLB, is GENUINE. I have not. I have simply proven that if it WAS forged, it was forged in a way completely different from what these various videos from ppsimmons and others allege. The layers, links, “kerning,” “fonts,” etc. etc. etc. — NONE of them pan out.
IF it was forged, it was forged ON PAPER, •BEFORE• it was scanned. Digital analyses could not readily detect that.
@COMALiteJ It is a composite of many different sources. And even having fonts that didn't exist on typwriters of the time. And in a mish mash form. It is not even a good forgery. You simply want it t be real ergo the blinders.
@pataskalagirl, Now that is just plain flatly Not True. The typewritten text used a VERY common font (THE MOST common font used in typewriters of the day) known as “Pica” (also the word used to denote the “pitch” of the fixed-width type at 10 characters per inch — 12CPI, the other common pitch, was called “Elite” and the second most common font for typewriters was called “Prestige Elite”).
Unless you mean the FORM text (titles, field labels, etc.)? Of COURSE THOSE didn’t exist on typewriters.
@COMALiteJ There are a mix of fonts different T's and such you couldn't do that with one typewriter.
Unless the typewriter in 1961 was magically capable of producing different size and shaped images with the exact same key, the document released by the White House April 27 is a forgery. Steel-stamped letters do not expand to larger sizes and morph into different styles of type," it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate. yet they do.
@pataskalagirl, No, Jackie, there are not different fonts. The Ts and other letters look different because they were SCANNED. When you scan something, it gets converted into an array of pixels. Those pixels are along a pixel grid.
In a raw scanned image of a doument, there are NO letters, digits, signatures, etc. AS FAR AS THE COMPUTER is concerned. There are only PIXELS that are arranged to LOOK LIKE those things to HUMAN EYES, interpreted by HUMAN BRAINS.
@COMALiteJ Scanning would not change letters from other letters within one word. A word containing two t's woud not scan as two different styles of t in one word.
@pataskalagirl, (cont.) So, if two of the exact same letter in the exact same font exist in a document being scanned, the exact same pixels and thus the exact same shape would ONLY be produced IF, and ONLY IF, the two letters just HAPPENED to line up EXACTLY with the pixel grid in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
If anything, the differing shapes of the same letters is evidence that it’s NOT faked! If someone typed NEW text onto a scanned image, THOSE letters WOULD be identical to each other!
@pataskalagirl I just have 3 questions. Why would he release a fake certificate? He didnt have to release anything (or allow anything to be released. However you wish to phrase it).
Why has this not been a major court case? All these people on Youtube saying "Its fake!" but no one takes it to court? That seems strange...
@UncontestedTruth 1 Because he has no real ne to offer. 2 Because a best selling (even before released) book was coming out. They tried to discredit the book. And they wanted to thwart sales of it by releasing a BC first. Didn't work it is the worst fake yet. But he has no real one to offer apparently or a simple photocopy would have been released. 3 Obama has spent 2 million so far in keeping numerous cases out of court. But it is going to happen soon anyway.
@pataskalagirl Because of a book? I cant tell you how hard Im laughing. I asked why with the "overwhelming evidence" has no one make a major court case out of this? Still didnt tell me why.
Its the "worst fake yet"? Do you not think thats bullshit? I mean read the words I am about to tell you 100 times. President of the United States of America. Do you seriously think he, of all the people on the planet, would release the "worst fake yet"? No no seriously...bells should be chiming in your brain
@UncontestedTruth Laugh all you want that book has scared the crap out of them.
There will be a court case but not easily..,. he is the chief law enforcement officer of the land. Gives him an edge.
Yes it is a pathetic fake with multiple problems. And it even says it was created on April 27, 2011. And it says it is an abstract meaning it has no resemblance to what is on file.
You are stupid and gullible or simply want chaos. Your choice..
@pataskalagirl What does this have to do with the police?
Why havent the Republicans, who hate Obama, done a goddamn backflip? Why arent they the ones pushing? I mean it would be an INSTANT victory in the next election so why dont they bring it up?
What book? Why would they release such a "pathetic fake" and thus help this "book" sell? Why couldnt the goddamn POTUS get a better fake?
When you apply logical analysis and rid yourself of idiotic bias and hate you reach a sensible conclusion...
@UncontestedTruth What Police? Because the liberal media crucifies anyone who balks at his citizenship. Denounced as racist or birther no one wants that bash fest. Yet he has not been certified ever by anyone.
Because its tough to go back in time so it makes a fake BC difficult to pull off. I have no bias. I simply want the Usurper out. You have to be a a Natural Born Citizen. Obama cannot pull that off no matter where he was born. " Where's the Birth Certificate" best selling Corsi book..
@UncontestedTruth Again why are you talking about police? Because I pointed out that Obama is The Chief Law Enforcement officer In The Land? You know that is part of the definition of the Presidents job? Right? They they told people see don't buy the book..... here is the BC. Didn't work. It is hard to fake 50 year records they are numbered. The number he chose was a dead persons certificate number. If you read the code you would know he is not a American NBC no matter where he was born..
@pataskalagirl I couldve sworn the Attorney general is the chief law enforcement officer. Still havent answered why no court case and why reps arent talking about it seeing as how its a guarantee for the next election. Ah yes. The "dead infant" conspiracy. Youre one of those people who believes any illegimate source if it agrees with you arent you. Obviously you havent read the US code. Obama didnt have to be naturalized. If you not naturalized youre a NBC. He is indeed a NBC.
@UncontestedTruth Well you would be wrong then. That is the President. The fact that he was not naturalized is because he claims to be a jus Soli citizen, born here. If it turns out he wasn't he is then not even a citizen. He is not, nor can he ever be a NBC. There have been numerous cases. Obama has spent 2 million dollars so far to keep it out if court. He is the President with the ultimate power. Your lack of common sense keeps tripping you up.
@pataskalagirl You so conveniently forget of Jus Sanguinis. That would apply to his mother. The USCIS very clearly defines this. Yet that is just a sidenote.
There isnt claiming or disclaiming of naturalization. If he was there would be documentation. If he isnt, then he isnt. Since he isnt, yet he is still a citizen, he can only be an NBC. Whether it is from his mother and soil, or just soil, or just his mother, it doesnt really matter. Easy enough to follow?
@UncontestedTruth You are only a Natural Born citizen if you are born of two American parents, in other words native to America.
Even if he were born in the USA, he is not nor never will be a NBC. A jus soli is a citizen only, a naturalized citizen is a citizen only. You can marry another Jus soli citizen or Naturalized or native citizen. Then you can give birth to a NBC. If he wasn't born here and never naturalized then his kids are not even NBC.
@pataskalagirl There isnt a 2 parent requirement. 2 ways to confer citizenship. Citizen by birth (jus soli/ sanguinis) or naturalization. There is not a "citizen only" category. You either fall into 1 or the other. Citizen by birth is natural born. They are naturally a citizen at birth. Obvious enough. Obama was given citizenship at birth under BOTH jus soli and jus sanguinis. Each principle, even separately, gives eligibility for president. Go read USCIS codes and be enlightened.
@UncontestedTruth A Natural Born Citizen needs no law to confer. It is natural native born to the country with no help of any law. Of course there is a citizen and then there is a NBC. That Jus Soli was a way to build simple citizens in the beginning of a country. Most 1st world countries have already abolished such a simple citizenship. . Even Canada doesn't recognize such a insignificant citizenship anymore. His mother didn't qualify for jus sanguinis . She didn't meet requirements..
@pataskalagirl This is America. Other countries principles are irrelevant.
Law gives definition. Without definition, accurate interpretation would be absolutely impossible. Regardless of subjective reasoning, the law will overrule all.
Casting aside legal statutes, I speak with certainty because Obamas in the White House=EOD. Unless Hawaiin officials lie, he has been paying all gov agencies for decades and has EVERY branch of gov (thousands of people) committing high treason. How (un)likely...
cbruce1971, shut the fuck up. His race has nothing to do with iy. The fact that he's a puppet does.
xXxMast3rBratacxXx 3 weeks ago
1. This video didn't prove anything
2. No such thing as a long form birth certificate.
3. Kerning did exist on typewriters
GCD89 1 month ago
@GCD89
Kerning did exist, but that's not kerning. That's just a case of some of the keys were slightly off-center. There's actually MORE space between some of the letters, which wouldn't be the case if it were kerning. Plus the Nordyke twins (born around the same time as Obama in the same hospital) birth certificates were obviously typed on the exact same typewriter--the spacing between the letters is identical.
Mystylplx 1 month ago
qbit . cc/typewriter-kerning-existed-in-1941/
The entire premise of this is that "kerning" like functions didn't exist when Obama was born. They did exist (go to the above link); as such, this entire argument is invalidated. Not that it surprises anyone who isn't a moron.
sansebastian1972 2 months ago
How do you "prove" something is "more than likely" anything? If you are going to make a crackpot conspiracy theory on YouTube, it helps not to make yourself sound like an idiot before you even get into the basis of your argument...
mikathemage 2 months ago
We already know he's fake...
silvermystic2001 3 months ago
still beating that dead horse i see?
Kirix 3 months ago
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This wouldn't be an issue if Obama was white.
cbruce1971 4 months ago
Other evidence they were done on the same typewriter is the consistent misalignment of the lower case 't's. Every lower case 't' in both the Nordyke twins and Obama's birth certificates is misaligned in the exact same way. You see this as evidence of kerning but what it is really evidence of is both certificates were done on the same typewriter.
Mystylplx 4 months ago
Uh, that's not kerning. Look at the one for the Nordyke twins--it's the same. Look particularly at where it says "Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital:" Notice that it is IDENTICAL on Obama's and on the Nordyke twins BC's. Obviously they were (surprise surprise) done on the same typewriter. It's not kerning.
Mystylplx 4 months ago
Newsflash: Another option 1960s typewriters did not have... Pixel perfect positioning. Back to the drawing board girls...
forkless 5 months ago
You need to get a life. Do you get paid to make this shit up?
mikebgrfx 5 months ago
seriously it's just sad honestly... and you guys really need to chill out and stop hating the left so much and worry about the corporate elite they're the ones fucking everything and taking all the money. seriously do you think obamas money really comes from different peoples pockets than any republican politicians? politics are just a game and you guys are playing the exact part they want you to wake up already
420Cannabis 6 months ago
@420Cannabis Your argument is illogical as you did not dispute the substance of the video. Can you?
robertcst1 6 months ago
@robertcst1 I never tried to say whether this video is true or false because honestly I don't care fuck all politicians that's the point I was trying to make
420Cannabis 6 months ago
i hate obama too but jesus christ you people are just making your selves look like a bunch of crazy ignorant racists by obsessing over this birth certificate thing.
420Cannabis 6 months ago
O-Buma , what a true piece of Puppet garbage he is . I never forgot the fact he had his cousin murder a few dozen people back in Kenya burned to death in a church , so for it i hope he gets burned as well for his deceptive con of Traitoristic Treason that dirtbag against a nation that he should have no power over. Wake up Sheeples O-Buma is a con man working for the worlds biggest criminals The NWO to sell us all out down the river of total destruction.
robreiken 6 months ago
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lol666 7 months ago
The OBC is a lie!.
ChristianSBblackwolf 7 months ago
I see what you are saying. It would be very beneficial had you put the Nordyke and BO cert side by side showing the differences blown up of the hospital name. It is very hard to tell otherwise. This video would be more convincing especially when trying to prove something many people do not understand. I had to watch and rewind several times to see the differences. Side by side comparison please. :)
foghaze 7 months ago
@ppsimmons: “The KERNING process requires that you know what the next letter is going to be.”
Flatly not true. The kerning is NOT done until the SECOND letter of the kerning pair is received. The SECOND letter is shifted backwards by the specified kerning amount (in internal font units).
Example: if I type “To” in a specific PROPORTIONAL font, and it has a kerning pair for “T,o,-50”, the “T” STAYS STILL but the “o” is shifted 50 units to the left to “tuck” it under the overhang of the “T.”
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
Proportional spacing ≠ kerning. This is true. That said, kerning is ONLY used WITH proportionally spaced fonts, unless the user and font designer were both deliberately trying to blow the whole POINT of a MONOspaced font.
MONOspaced fonts, such as those used to fake the appearance of a typewriter (e.g. Courier, Courier New, Prestige Elite, Pica, etc., as well as those used to emulate DOS prompts and such pre-graphics computer displays such as Terminal), do NOT have kerning pairs.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
(cont.) This text you’re reading now is almost certainly in the Arial font, the most common sans-serif proportional font since Windows 3.x came out (Helvetica was the most common before). It is indeed proportionally spaced, but at least on older browsers, is NOT KERNED (older browsers don’t do auto-kerning). Look at this word: “YouTube.” See the apparent tiny gaps between “Y” and “o”, “u” and “T”, and “T” and “u”? Kerning would “tuck” the following vowels under the overhangs of “Y” and “T.”
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
What a load of hockey pucks!
Do you people really think that the long form was done the same day or the next day after a birth? These BC’s like many things back then, were done either by a medical transcriptionist or an 8-5 secretary type. They get done when they get done. Any of you folks know a former medical transcriptionist? I do! That was one job my mom had to help pay for her college education. Why don't ya'll get some real education!!!
mwr9993 7 months ago
@magicmulder
Get your facts straight. The Nordyke twins' BCs were recently issued to their mother upon request. So was Alan Booth's, which was obtained by his mother in March, 2011. Odd isn't it that Miki Booth was able to get a copy of her son's long form when you all keep saying that Hawaii doesn't issue long forms.
VIVIEN2005 7 months ago
I am absolutely sure that everyone, who has used Adobe products professionally will NOT vote for Obama. Even a person with a months worth of experience with Adobe Photoshop outdated version would have done a better job than what Obama's people came up with.
MeccaEen 8 months ago
Is anyone really suprised by this? And yes I have over 9 years of using ALL Adobe products and programs. This is absolutely a forged document. They could have fixed this in so many simple ways (like just printing and rescanning) it's crazy. The things on this really do jump out at you. Obama really thinks Americans are this stupid. His devout brain-dead supporters sure are. NOBAMA 2012!!!
JakeEvilclown 8 months ago
In the "ty" example given, you simply have to put the mouse cursor up to the video to see the letters don't overlap, except maybe a pixel or two where the ink is slightly bleeding
The ink bleeds so much that it's hard to tell where the character were actually punched. The scan qaulity is also just bad, and it appears that OCR or something has fudged with the text a bit, as it's not all uniform and you can see the written parts look very different and less pixelated.
usucdik 8 months ago
if they can make 911 look like whatever they want, well don't be surprised if in 50 years you find out that Obama was Osama, piece of cake with the people running the show all they had to do is to change one letter and bang, they got ya one more time, and more to come,
califranky 8 months ago
But will the Mainstream Media even talk about this? Nahhh....they don't care. They are a bunch of losers who don't know what an Investigative Report was, even if it bit them on the butt. It's sad to see that not even Fox News has the balls to show the problems with this FAKE, FRAUDULENT, and obviously MANIPULATED piece of trash that is being passed off as a legitimate Birth Certificate. Something's seriously wrong: Layers, Haloing Background, Kerning, and a Seal missing. I'm shaking my head.
prospectiveman 8 months ago
anyways americunts stolen hawaii
nobody gives a fuck americunt history is a one big lie expose that.
with a gun and a trigger
fucking stealing lying rats
everybody hates you it would be a surprise if telling the truth.
this sick burdens need 100 of excuses its long overdue
worthless cowards
so dont be shocked nobody needs proof its all in your brainwashed heads and excuses to dont stand up and get control back.
anyways in wwIII you will get extincted and the ignorance mostly dies out.
usa over
begforyourmasterCHN 8 months ago
if the characters WERE perfectly aligned and spaced, and presented as having been struck on a typewriter in 1961 ... then that, sir, is almost certainly a forgery!
aesthetocyst 8 months ago
In the mid-50s, electric typewriters were less than 10% of the market.
Conclusion: Any birth certificate completed in Hawaii in 1961 was almost certainly, completed on a crappy mechanical typewriter. With a rattling carriage return and typebars flyin' wild. Of course, all of this proves nothing about the White House image, but it definitely embarrasses those latching onto "kerning" as an ironclad proof of a "forgery". Typewriters can, and did, produce just such spacing variations all the time.
aesthetocyst 8 months ago
@aesthetocyst
Then why is there no kerning on the Nordyke twins' birth certificates, genius?
Look, there are 3 birth certificates presumably produced at the same hospital
within 24 hours, the 2 for the Nordyke twins and Barack Obama's. Those of
the twins are uniform and identical. The one for Obama is significantly different
in numerous ways. Give up trying to make excuses for this fake. GAME OVER!
This is a CRIMINAL FORGERY done entirely with Obama's knowledge and consent.
Bannington 8 months ago
@Bannington
Fellow genius,
Instead of blindly accepting what you want to hear, have you looked at the Nordyke BC's? Rather than focus on the areas this presenter chooses? Capitals shifted vertically, character pairs with excessive spacing, and characters that overlap. None of this, on the Obama or Nordyke BCs, is "kerning"; that implies an intentional act. Go google "images of typewritten pages" and study for awhile. If the characters were perfectly aligned, THAT would be suspicious!
aesthetocyst 8 months ago
@aesthetocyst
The Nordyke birth certificates have spacing irregularities of the typed characters
horizontally and vertically that would be expected with any manual typewriter, but no
instances of overlap that appear as “kerning” but would not be so since no typewriter
now or in 1961 is capable of kerning. Some have proportional spacing, not kerning.
Bottom line: NO KERNING, real or apparent, on the Nordyke birth certificates,
KERNING, at least apparent if not real, on Obama's.
Bannington 8 months ago
@Bannington
So you are picking and choosing which "irregularities" to be concerned over? The images I have seen of the Nordyke BCs are very low-res, but even so it is clear the "Ho" in 7c are touching. Moreover, have you reviewed images of other typewritten pages? The assumption here is that typewriters cannot strike two characters in the same physical space. Ignorance. The characters are struck one at a time. Anything is possible. Come over and use my 1932 Remington sometime!
aesthetocyst 8 months ago
typewriters DID have kerning in the form of crude, arbitrary, horizontal adjustments, that is, manipulating the distance the either the paper (on manual models) or ball (on later electrics) shifted between character strikes. To save space (such as, when filling out forms...), this could be dialed down, to the point of putting characters on top of each other.
aesthetocyst 8 months ago
Google, "typewritten pages". Scroll down to "Images for typewritten pages". You'll get about 66,300 images from all over the web, in various forms. There are numerous images high-res enough to study just how imprecise typewriters could be, and how varied their "kerning" could be. And demonstrate repeatedly that typewriters can indeed butt characters right next to each other, as well as space them out.
aesthetocyst 8 months ago
surprise, surprise. Of course his BC is fake. Why did he spend 2-3 million dollars hiding it? Why did he wait until halfway through his term to show it? To change it before we see it.
timd941 8 months ago
@timd941, Obama did NOT spend $2–3 million to hide his birth certificate. He paid money to his law firm for post-campaign expenses. Some wannabe journalist saw that and tried to make it look like the only reason he’d do that is to hide his birth certificate, but that is simply not the case. ALL modern political candidates have post-campaign legal expenses, and they can add up to quite a bundle.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ well, campaigning's not cheap.
timd941 7 months ago
It's very funny how this seems to be the main concern of so many opposing political parties. There are bigger issues than this, come on now! xD At least make yourselves look credible xD
phr4nk3rd00d13 9 months ago
Phil Berg is well out of his depth on this one. Which is why I sleep well at night knowing he's too stupid to decode why Obama gave Lizzie the etiquette finger. Nice one Obama.
charlesfrith 9 months ago
I find it interesting, there are all these Christians like myself and others who are praying for God to reveal the truth about the NWO and then these fraud perpetrators get tripped up somehow and exposed for their incompetence. They are foolish for thinking we are stupid and will let it pass.
In my opinion, it is God's will these people are exposed. But why, is it so Obama can be impeached and become available to be president of the UN, or a plan to cause a revolt, so they can have martial law?
rollinshultz 9 months ago
You think this is kerning? Have you guys used a typewriter?
aesthetocyst 9 months ago
Does anyone know if the same single typewriter was used on Obama's and the twins? Was there a single secretary in charge of typing them up or was it given to whoever had a free typewriter? I would say the t's are just a mechanical alignment error but then the 'Gy' is far too closely spaced together to the rest of the text so alignment is not the issue. I am a CS grad and to me it seems the added text was generated character by character and irregularly arranged as to give it a natural feel.
buckeyeoysters 9 months ago
You do know that you can get a new version of your birth certificate printed off officially right? It's not his original, but it still holds true
crawfish507 9 months ago
The poor programming schmuck that faked the BC for obama is probably tied to a wooden chair with needles under his fingernails as we speak.
buckeyeoysters 9 months ago
I believe he used the billionaire who is a Dem and supported to finally come forth with the LFBC. He knew it was fraudulent and he knew it was a bad copy. He also knows that folks are not even going to ask the most obvious question of all: "why did you wait 2 years to bring this LFBC to the public?" What is wrong with US citizens? He also knows that he has time on his side, because this country will fall and the LFBC will make no difference.
nld1960 9 months ago
@TheBibleIsLame - World Net Daily has an entire REPOSITORY of articles on the BC - they quote document experts, computer experts (people who produce computer docs for a living for huge companies) and they quote investigators. They show pictures and they document thier resources. Go to WND(DOTCOM) and do search on BC document problems. ALso watch 2 vids on our channel 1. The Nordyke Twins and Obama REgistration Number and 2. SEVEN huge problems with the Obama BC.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
ppsimmons, We The People need a multimillion march on Washington. There has been a total media blackout and a total blackout of this Constitutional Crisis on the Hill. Will you lead us?
Sojourner57 9 months ago
the chicago jews put him in office, there is no real backstory as far as his parents, the whole obama thing was created for this BS to keep him in line if the brain surgery didnt haha
pt1gard 9 months ago
@TheBibleIsLame EVOLUTION by natural selection BEGINS with chemosynthesis and abiogenesis. Random, unpurposed, unplanned, no intelligent input. From there the Magic Man of evolution takes over and creates 20 million species of life and all of their intricate interwoven "systems." Yes - randomness is HUGE in evo theory. I have been writing, debating, speaking and producing videos on this topic for 30 years. I can go as deep as you wish. Do not start an evo debate on this thread.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
CONTINUED... If you do start an evo debate on this thread you will be blocked. All right - now that this is out of the way....THANK YOU for watching the video. Thank you for your comments. From your username I can see that you might wish to get into a biblical debate. Please don't on this thread. Plain and simple. Again - thank you for watching this vid. and YES - the BC is fake. ;-)
ppsimmons 9 months ago
Comparison with the birth certificates issued before and after this one can provide clear evidence of 'type' patterns and proof of alteration.
Another question, albeit more of a general question for this administration and it's handlers is this:
If, hypothetically, everything was "legit", why would a "copy of a birth certificate" take over 3 years to be released??? Answer that question government/media! It's a very simple question that you can't answer.And where is the original?
cnmmnc8852 9 months ago
"IBM announces the Electromatic Model 04 electric typewriter, featuring the revolutionary concept of proportional spacing. By assigning varied rather than uniform spacing to different sized characters, the Type 4 recreated the appearance of a printed page, an effect that was further enhanced by a typewriter ribbon innovation that produced clearer, sharper words on the page. The proportional spacing feature became a staple of the IBM Executive series typewriters." - Source: IBM Archives 1941
rondlite 9 months ago
@rondlite - ONE MORE TIME! Proportional Spacing is NOT THE SAME as kerning. Pastor Gallups spent the better part of an entire day on the phone with 2 IBM execs and a typesetter. ALL said it is IMPOSSIBLE to produce KERNING on a typewriter. NEVER can be done. PROP. SPACING - yes... KERNING - no. They looked at this vid and said it was a classic example of KERNING. This case is pretty much closed. Thanks for posting though. Do a little more research on KERNING.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@ppsimmons I discussed this with a fellow MoA. I do know the difference. In the video you compare the typesetting of the form to the typewriter output. When I checked the video again it was actually overlapping letters. Overlapped letters. Not kerned.
rondlite 9 months ago
@rondlite - AGAIN - you are wrong. Our IBM experts viewed the video and declared it to be CLASSIC KERNING. We will take their word for it. Please do not continue this argument. You have made your case - we have made ours. END OF THE MATTER. Thanks.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@ppsimmons "Our IBM experts"
Where are your anonymous "experts" then? Are they experts *from* IBM or do they simply claim expertise in "anything IBM" or what are their credentials exactly?
magicmulder 9 months ago
@ppsimmons "said it was a classic example of KERNING"
Then "they" will probably be happy to present any font that uses kerning between "a" and "p". I'm waiting.
magicmulder 9 months ago
@magicmulder FROM THE ADOBE SITE (partnersdotadobe) on kerning -"There is no consensus on the ideal number of kerning pairs that should be specified in a font; the number ranges from maybe 30 to over 4000. Adobe uses approximately 280 in standard Type 1 fonts, and approximately 800 in an Adobe Originals font. Some font developers provide thousands of kern pairs." YOU ARE WRONG SIR - you cannot catagorically state that there are NO fonts that use kerning. Our video clearly shows one.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@ppsimmons, About a month ago you said to @magicmulder: “YOU ARE WRONG SIR — you cannot catagorically [sic] state that there are NO fonts that use kerning.” You then Blocked him for “trolling.”
I searched this thread for where @magicmulder said any such thing, and this is all I could find, from a post to @taratorah: “Besides, kerning doesn’t happen with computer-generated FIXED-WIDTH fonts.”
He never said that NO fonts use kerning. FIXED WIDTH = MONOSPACED fonts. THEY don't kern.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@magicmulder - ALSO - on this same Adobe site - they have a whole page of "kerning pair" examples with the corresponding fonts. There are thousands of them. Several use the A and the P for kerning. Go look for yourself. We found it in a 5 minute google search. YOU are #### BUSTED ####. Just thought you might like to know. :-) See how much you can learn - when you come to our comment threads.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@ppsimmons (to @magicmulder): “ALSO — on this same Adobe site — they have a whole page of “kerning pair” examples with the corresponding fonts. There are thousands of them. Several use the A and the P for kerning.”
You do know that a kerning PAIR requires the SAME SET of letters IN THE SPECIFIC ORDER? Merely having some pairs using EITHER “a” OR “p” doesn’t cut it.
Also, this is CASE-SENSITIVE. An “A,P” pair is NOT the same as an “a,p” pair, and it’s the LATTER that’s needed.
(cont.)
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@ppsimmons, (cont.) Moreover, the mere presence of a given kerning pair does NOT mean that that pair is actually kerned. A kerning pair consists of THREE parameters: the first letter, the second letter, and the AMOUNT BY WHICH TO KERN (usually a NEGATIVE integer).
If that amount is ZERO, then there is NO KERNING, •EVEN IF• THAT PAIR IS SPECIFIED IN THE FONT FILE!
The ONLY example I could find on the Adobe website that showed the “a, p” kerning pair read: “a, p, 0” which means ZERO KERNING!
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@ppsimmons, Who are these “2 IBM execs” that Pastor Gallups spent the better part of an entire day on the phone with? What are their names and positions?
Because what they said is flatly not true. It IS true that no typewriter in the 1960s could do kerning, and no MECHANICAL or ELECTRO-MECHANICAL typewriter could do that, but no typewriter EVER? Wrong. In the 1980s–90s there were “word processors” which were typewriters with microchips and small screens built-in, and they COULD kern.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
Isn't it possible that the typewriter was just damaged or faulty and crowded the letters? Also, who even cares if the president was born in the US or not? I always thought that requirement was sort of stupid, I am entirely fine with a first generation immigrant being president.
lmworthen 9 months ago
@lmworthen - NO...it is not possible to create KERNING with a "faulty" typewriter. Wait .... I bet you think that it is possible to create 20 million species of life from an accidental, random, non-purposed explosion of matter and chemicals too - don't you? Just guessing. ;-)
ppsimmons 9 months ago 6
@ppsimmons
WELL...just as the typical evo has never applied critical thinking to the idea of complex genetic information being ADDED over time (that this has NEVER been observed to happen), your young commenter (above) has never thought to examine a typewriter, and notice that the striking arms CANNOT move horizontally! I was trying to choose between *facepalm* and *headdesk* when I noticed he was only 20..... :D
taratorah 9 months ago
@taratorah :-) Well said.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@taratorah
Actually 18, I made this account when I was 12 so I lied about my age. Yeah I've never used a typewriter ever and know literally zero about their operation.
lmworthen 9 months ago
@lmworthen
Okay, that's kinda funny! But typewriters are fun to play with -- I wish I had kept my mom's.
While I'm here....and since you haven't yet been subjected to 4 or more years of brainwashing by the academic elites (It's not pretty - you don't want to go there), please consider a self-propelled study on critical thinking (which is highly discouraged in the university setting), because it could wind up saving you YEARS of being conned and USED! You will always be your own man.
taratorah 9 months ago
@taratorah "and notice that the striking arms CANNOT move horizontally"
However you do notice that the typewriter moves the paper horizontally whenever you type a letter (otherwise you'd be typing in the same spot all the time).
Now the prize question: what happens if you type two letters faster than the typewriter can move the paper horizontally one letter width?
Answer: exactly what you call "kerning". Besides, kerning doesn't happen with computer-generated fixed-width fonts.
magicmulder 9 months ago
@magicmulder my point exactly.
rondlite 9 months ago
@magicmulder
I learned to type on the old-style typewriter, and I owned my own typesetting, offset printing and sign-making business. I have NEVER had the experience of observing any purely mechanical device with a glitch so extreme that it could auto-kern a dazzling impression of a non-fixed-width font. Never. I would need to see the device in question and observe the particular mechanical flaw that caused this auto-kerning behavior in order to take your comment even halfway seriously!
taratorah 9 months ago
@taratorah, I won’t get into evolution here, as it would be a MAJOR threadjack (even though ppsimmons himself brought it up).
That said, yes, buddy, the striking arms CAN and DO INDEED move horizontally. They move both vertically and horizontally, in an arc from their rest position to strike the ribbon in front of the paper and platen. There’s some “slop” to the mechanism, and a diagonally cut guide helps guide the type bar into place. It’s shaped about like this: “_/ \_”.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ Uh....evolution....okay....did you just come from another comment?
I learned how to type on standard typewriters. I have used many of them. While they might wiggle and shift a little like your grandpa's old truck, they do not perform acrobatics. Well, non-magical ones don't, at least.
lol@"buddy"!
taratorah 7 months ago
@taratorah, So have I. I used manual typewriters in childhood. They do indeed shift noticeably, and indeed, back in the day before ball and daisywheel typewriters got so popular, the shifting of individual characters on a typewriter was unique to each typewriter, enough so that law enforcment used that as a form of forensic to prove which typewriter typed which document. There were episodes of police drama TV shows and even the “Dick Tracy” comic strip on this very subject.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah, (cont.) Keep in mind that in the .PDF seen online, the document has been scanned and run through Adobe Acrobat Pro’s “Optimize Scanned PDF” function (which happens AUTOMATICALLY if you scan DIRECTLY into Acrobat Pro — indeed, if you DON’T want that, you have to JUMP THROUGH HOOPS to tell it NOT to!), which invokes MRC (Multiple Raster Content) algorithms which not only cause the layers, but also reduce most of the typed text to MONOCHROME (100% black or 100% clear) pixels.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah, (cont.) Why is this MRC process important? It FULLY explains the layers, just for starters, but moreover, because most (not all) of the typewritten text is transformed into a reduced-resolution ONE-BIT-PER-PIXEL MONOCHROME bitmap, there is NO antialiasing. NO shades of gray.
Now, THE fundamental thing about ANY raster image is that, in the raster itself, there cannot be ANY “in-between pixels.” Any given pixel must be ONE color THROUGHOUT the pixel.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah, (cont.) Anti-aliasing can FAKE the APPEARANCE of “in-between pixels” (it’s how “font smoothing” works), by using intermediate shades of gray or color. This happens naturally when scanning in color or grayscale, but the MRC process of Acrobat Pro’s “Optimize Scanned PDF” REMOVES this.
As a result, anything that was shifted in position by LESS THAN one pixel now appears to have been shifted by a FULL pixel (since there CAN6T be in-between pixels), increasing the APPEARANCE of shift!
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah, (cont.) Now let’s look at the SPECIFIC case of the alleged kerning of “ap” as discussed in this video:
On manual typewriters, your fingers physically provided the force needed to move the hammers to hit the ribbon. That meant that the hammers were laid out horizontally like the keyboard. Now, look where [A] and [P] keys are on your keyboard (whose layout is based on that of typewriters). [A] is at the FAR LEFT, and [P] is near the FAR RIGHT!
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah (cont.) Why is THAT important? Because the hammers were arranged in an inverted arc shape around the platen where they were designed to strike. Because they came from left and right as well as near the center (for letters such as [Y]), the hammers (particularly for letters near the sides) would have to move in a CURVED path. That means CENTRIFUGAL FORCE! The [A], coming from the LEFT, would be pulled slightly to the RIGHT, while the [P], coming from the RIGHT, would be pulled LEFT!
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ
Have you ever heard or read the quote "A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument"....? It's utterly and completely truth-based, and it works for women as well! ;)
taratorah 7 months ago
@taratorah, Wrong on all counts. First off, clichés and proverbial “wisdom” is not “utterly and completely truth-based.” It’s also inherently contradictory. For instance, “Look before you leap,” BUT, “He who hesitates is lost.” Also, “Absence makes the heart grow fonder,” BUT, “Out of sight, out of mind.”
That said, I do have experience, not just arguments. I’ve actually MADE MY OWN PostScript fonts FROM SCRATCH, BEFORE font utilities or even Illustrator 1.0 existed. And, I know typewriters.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ
You are working really hard here! But, hey -- to each his own! I'm sure you will not only continue to believe what you believe, but you truly believe you know more than anyone else. So, have fun! Life is short.
taratorah 7 months ago
@taratorah, No, actually, I do NOT believe that I know more than anyone else. I do, however, know what I’m talking about on these subjects.
Working really hard? If I wanted to work hard on this, I’d be making video responses, not typing text. That said, I do take this VERY seriously. Why? Because I DON’T LIKE OBAMA!! I’d like him GONE! I even believe that he may well have been born in Kenya!
So why am I fighting against the “evidence” here? Because it’s “Boy Who Cried ‘WOLF!’” stuff!
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah, (cont.) You remember that story, right? A boy lived in a village that was threatened by a man-eating wolf. His task was to keep watch, and warn the village by crying “WOLF!” when he saw the wolf. One day, he decided to have a bit of fun, as young boys often do, and cried “WOLF!” as a prank. The town mustered its forces, the women and children took shelter in a panic, and the boy laughed and laughted. “Where’s the wolf?” “Oh, I was just kidding.” They were ticked at him.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah, (cont.) You know the rest. The boy continues to have his fun, day after day. The wolf really is dangerous, so they still muster for awhile. Then one day, the wolf really DOES come. The boy cries “WOLF!!” The people and town watch just ignore him. “You’re not fooling US again.” “No, I REALLY MEAN it THIS time!” “SuuuURRRE you do.” And they went about their business.
And the wolf entered the village and killed many inhabitants, including the boy’s family.
Do you get it now?
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah, (cont.) Now, in this story, the boy was doing what he was doing deliberately. He knew the wolf wasn’t really there — until it was, and then it was too late. But the other point of the story, that insisting that untruths are true (even if, as in the case with the Birthers, they really do believe it to be true), discredits the whole case. Then, when we have REAL evidence against Obama, the media and the courts just say, “Oh, that’s just more Birther B.S.” They won’t believe us.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@taratorah, Oh, one last thing: YouTube’s standard Text Comments layout (both when viewing the video, and when doing “View all comments”) makes it hard to see which comment was in Reply to which prior Comment. Click on “Sort by thread (beta)” and you’ll see that my post mentioning evolution was in Reply NOT to the one it appeared after in the regular view, but in Reply to yours that began, and I copy-paste quote:
“WELL…just as the typical evo has never applied critical thinking…”
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@lmworthen You ignore the real issue. This President LIED about where is was born. If a Republican President did this, you would be the first to say Impeach! Most politicians would have produced this docutment when first asked. And why should me and you be required to produce documents to prove who we are?
wsoxman 9 months ago
I just reviewed my 1966 military paperwork-DD214. It has Kerning type. So why isn't MSNBC covering this issue for a Democrat? If Obama produced this same form to get a passport, he would being committing fraud.
wsoxman 9 months ago
@lmworthen I care! It is against the Law. And He is still lying. If he is untruthful about this, What else is he lying about.
TMTHOMSEN1 9 months ago
@lmworthen You've got to be kidding, right? You don't care? The Requirement is stupid? No wonder America is falling - because of people like you.
Dethkook 9 months ago
@lmworthen You are an idiot.
It is so obvious that you animals just dont give a damn about the LAW.
GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY---traitor.
AmericaLoudNClear 9 months ago
@cristop5 - Sorry to say that you are wrong sir. There is NO Kerning ANYWHERE on the Nordyke BC. I am afraid that you do not know what kerning is. Kerning has NOTHING to do with the letters "moving around" on the paper. It is a very PURPOSED arranging of only certain letter pairs in certain fonts that purposely "nestles" or "tucks" these pairs together for a pleasing look to the eye. A 1960's typewriter was INCAPABLE of producing these letter pair kernings. BHO's has it - the Nordykes - NOT.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@ppsimmons Here is a link to a typewritten letter by Clemetine Churchill from 1950. You will clearly see that some letters crowd and apparently "kern", especially the letters "my". Mrs Churchill was not using a computer back then.
ww w.churchillbooks.c
om/detail.cfm?title=TYPED_LETTER_SIGNED_by_CLEMENTINE_CHURCHILL&itemNumber=10583 (remove spaces)
The point is that old typewriters did produce overlapping letters that could be mistaken for kerning. So the premise of the video is wrong.
cristop5 9 months ago
@cristop5 - THE PREMISE of your argument is WRONG. Again - Kerning is NOT the same as overlapping letters, crowded letters or impinged letters and spacing - all of which COULD occur on old typewriters. KERNING (one more time - and the LAST time) is a PURPOSED, stylistic process of pairing only certain letters that PURPOSELY and EVENLY take up each other's vertical space for the purpose of pleasing the eye. Again - you obviously do not know what kerning is. Please do not spam this site anymore.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@ppsimmons
There is literally no way to tell if letter crowding is purposeful or not. You can't prove that the letters didn't just look kerned from crowding by coincidence it is literally IMPOSSIBLE.
lmworthen 9 months ago
@lmworthen - We have spent much time on the phone with experts in this field. Several from IBM. They disagree with your acertion. We will go with their assessment of the matter. The video is correct. If you don't like it fine. It is obvious that you care nothing about the constitution and that you are "fine" with an "immigrant" in the white house. That is your perogative - but do not try and twist the truth of this vid. It will earn you a "bye-bye." Fair enough?
ppsimmons 9 months ago
On the Nordyke's birth certificate there is also kerning in the letters "ng" in Los Angeles and also in the "Wo" in Woodland.
What the hell is going on?
cristop5 9 months ago
CONTINUED - your other post was deleted because it had an accusation of racism in it. We do not allow that - There is nothing RACIST about asking ANY president of ANY color to identify himself as constitutionally eligble to hold the office. If you pull the race card again you will be blocked from our channel and ALL our posts. Just fair warning.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@cristop5 Well, you have just proved again that it's not "kerning" but "overlapping".
It's a moot argument anyway since there is no way to distinguish deliberate overlapping (kerning) from accidental overlapping by just looking at two letters. But the fact that there is no font that uses kerning to overlap "a" and "p" as in "Kapiolani", the argument "all overlapping letters must be due to deliberate kerning" fails.
magicmulder 9 months ago
YES< you are 100% rght the birthcitificate is a fabrication to try and quit the media concerned of his radical ways that could not come from a president that loves his country and would do everything in his power to protect it!This president should be stopped in his tracks or the Americans and the rest of the world we feel the rath of his radical ways of starting a war between Christians ,Jews agains Muslim (Islam)
codyharley1 9 months ago
You sir have proven yourself to be disingenuous, a troll and a person who thinks they know something that in reality they do not. It is obvious that you know very little about kerning and that you are here to promote yourself and to argue incessently regardless of the information presented to you. We have tolerated you long enough - we have answered every question. So now we will say - BYE BYE.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
NO disagreement does NOT breech any rules. However, none of us here know you nor the veracity of your claim to be an "expert." However, we have personally consulted with KNOWN experts who assure us that this video is 100% correct and accurate. Also - if you will read through the posts -you will note that there are several others like yourself who claim to have experience and expertise in this matter and THEY agree with this video. Your views are interesting but not in agreement with experts.
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@ppsimmons I've never claimed to be a typography expert expert but I do have over 20 years experience working with fonts in DTP.
I'd like to know exactly how the experts you cite have assured you that the 'video is 100% correct and accurate'.
If they merely state that automatic kerning was not technically possible in 1961 (which is what I am lead to believe), that is hardly a 100% endorsement of the video.
Anyway, I'm bored with this now. I would doubt anybody's expertise who endorses this.
MOLEFANGS 9 months ago
@MOLEFANGS - Yes - in the very same way that we seriously doubt yours. Geeeeee. we are so glad that you know more than anyone else in this matter. your presumptuousness is astounding. well since you are bored...we can only hope that we do not hear from anymore of your brilliance. i don't know if we could stand it. ;-)
ppsimmons 9 months ago
### ATTENTION ### - We have spoken with an IBM expert and a typesetting expert. They confirm that this video is 100% correct. This video is THE SMOKING GUN on the fraudulent BC. Would YOU PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help us get this video out to the citizens of the US? Send to news, radio, TV, congressmen, judges, politicians, pastors, radio hosts, Drudge, Newsmax, etc. etc THIS IS A MONUMENTAL discovery. It is Woodward and Bernstein Stuff. Nixon was brought down for less than this. PLEASE help!
ppsimmons 9 months ago
@MOLEFANGS
Why then is it only the pairs with descending letters that show kerning. If you can find a couple of examples an "i" and an "o" with kerning you may have a point but I don't see any.
iamchillydogg 9 months ago
@iamchillydogg You also seem to be missing the point that fonts which are designed to emulate a typewriter are generally monospace fonts, i.e. characters are the same width and do not have kerning pairs. You seem to be under the impression that kerning is calculated on the fly but kerning pairs are assigned by the font's designer. Any kerning which occurs, therefore, must be inserted by the forger - to know how to do that would blow away the hypothesis that this was produced by an amateur.
MOLEFANGS 9 months ago
The only BC that is a real BC is a photocopy with a embossed seal. like yours. Apparently it is not possible for Obama to do so.
pataskalagirl 9 months ago
@pataskalagirl, both BCs that Obama has shown DO have the embossed seal. They’re just not easily seen when scanned, due to the nature of flatbed scanners. Flatbed scanners BY DESIGN minimize the visibility of paper-fiber deformations such as folds, wrinkles, etc., which are almost always undesirable to have show up in the final scanned image.
But embossed seals are ALSO just paper-fiber deformations, albeit intentional ones. The scanner still minimizes their visibility, though.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ The first one he showed was a novelty BC they gave to all babies arriving on the island in the sixties. It was not a photocopy (look at yours) this latest one is an even bigger joke. It is stamped right on it that it was created in 2011 and it is an abstract which means it depicts completely different document then is on file. Which means the announcement that his grandparents made for papers could be a note they extrapolated this fake document from. A real BC is photocopy of file
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, Wrong. There were no “novelty BCs.” That would be a FEDERAL FELONY. What Obama showed in 2008 was a CertifiCATION of Live Birth, aka a “Short-Form” BIRTH CERTIFICATE. What he showed this year was a CertifiCATE of Live Birth, aka a “Long-Form” Birth Certificate.
The OFFICIAL State Government of Hawaii website, Hawaii-Dot-GOV, says point-blank that BOTH CertifiCATES of Live Birth AND CertifiCATIONS of Live Birth ARE BIRTH CERTIFICATES.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ The first one was a novelty BC they gave to anyone who arrived on the island in the 60"s.
The second one has already been proven to be a composite . Not a photocopy of what is on file, as you have in your file. The latest one admits it was made in 2011. It also says it can be an abstract of what is on file. Which means it resembles nothing that is on file. Hawaii has proven it can lie over and over.They just made it possible by law to make brand new certificates for this purpose.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, I already debunked the “novelty BC” thing. Merely repeating it again doesn’t make it true.
As for the second one, no, it’s not a “composite.” I won’t go into detail on THIS thread, as this video is about kerning, but in threads on videos about the LAYERS, I go into considerable detail. It’s called MRC.
Any “experts” who don’t ALREADY know what “MRC” stands for when used in conjuction with Adobe .PDF files, without having to look it up, is NOT AN EXPERT in what’s required.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ Simply saying it is not whether by you or anyone willing to parse words is not debunking. The fact is it was given to people arriving on the island with babies in the 60's. A novelty keepsake.
The latest document says it was produced in 2011. The latest document says it is an abstract meaning it doesn't resemble what is on file at all. Experts are debunking the latest one like crazy. It is a composite of several documents. Not a photocopy not real.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, I just did a Google and Bing search looking for any mention of “novelty” “birth certificate” “Hawaii.” I found only ONE mention, ANYWHERE, and it used the same wording and phraseology you’ve been using.
That was in a comment on an opinion website called “SodaHead” where I am a member (my handle there is “COMALite J” — no space in my handle here because YouTube disallows them). This comment was posted by “Jackie” on Feb. 9 on a thread about yet another debunked Birther claim.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ You really think anything can be googled don't you. Novelty is my word. so that was me. There have been no debunking ever of any birther claim.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, So, your ONLY evidence for your claim that Hawaii gave out “novelty birth certificates” to anyone with a baby in the 1960s is, “because I said so”? You really wanna go with that?
Do you have ANY ACTUAL evidence for that claim other than your own say-so?
And yes, there has been a LOT of debunking of EVERY birther claim. I personally have shown how anyone, and I do mean ANYone, with a decent Windows or Mac computer, can produce ALL of the same effects with a GENUINE document.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ Hawaiian officials have said so. And it was common practice then. And those novelty items were not able to be used for ID purposes till that fact was pointed out recently then they changed it as cover. No debunking just alot of saying that they have debunked it. But never one real debunking has happened yet.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, Again, SHOW ME •WHICH• “Hawaiian officials” have said any such thing, and WHEN and WHERE they said it, and WHERE the RECORD of them saying so can be found. Video preferred of the actual authority/ies (not someone quoting him/her/them), audio (ditto) or CERTIFIED transcript or accepted NON--BIASED JOURNALISTIC source acceptable. Your say-so is NOT.
You know — EVIDENCE. Like I’ve been asking for all along. Ee Vee Eye Dee Ee En Sea Eee. •EVIDENCE•.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALite This is old stuff. I am not wasting my time searching for stuff again. Besides something is wrong with my Utube. scroll is out of whack and the search won't work it is getting very tedious finding post and managing to post also. What should be taking 5 minutes is taking 30 min. How about you prove to me these novelties BC existed before the 60's and after the sixties instead. after all if legit they would still be doing them today.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, Sorry, but your computer problems are, well, YOUR problem. The burden of proof remains on the one making the assertion, and that’s you.
How about •I• prove to YOU that these “novelties BC” existed before and after the 60s? Naw. You don’t get it. My assumption (until I see EVIDENCE otherwise) is that they NEVER existed. Not during the 60s, not before, not after, not EVER.
What Obama showed in 2008 was PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE of Hawaiian birth. Look up “PRIMA FACIE.”
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ Yes it is my problem with You Tube and still quite tedious. Sorry but the novelty BC were a thing of the 60's celebrating their becoming part of the USA. Sorry he has shown the Novelty BC and now an outright forgery BC. Nothing real so far. So can only doubt that he was born here at all. And it really doesn't matter because he is not a Natural Born Citizen no matter where he was born. He is illegally in office, a Usurper a criminal. He is not Native natural born a citizen naturally.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, EVIDENCE. Show me anyone in any relevant official position in Hawaii saying anything even remotely resembling that, OR any news source OF THE TIME saying anything even remotely resembling that, OR show me an image of an actual “novelty” BC such as you allege was given out in the 60s.
In reality, what he showed in 2008 was a CertifiCATION of Live Birth. PRIMA FACIE.
I have systematically disproven EACH and EVERY piece of digital “evidence” brought against the “long form” BC.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ It was what they did. They gave out the novelty BC in the 60's to anyone arriving with a baby to Hawaii.
The latest one is a complete forgery. Proven by several sources. The fact that you are uninformed or chose not to be aware is not my fault. I have no obligation to educate you. You simply have to wish to look for it. It even says it was an abstract created in April 2011. Which translates to resembling nothing they have on file.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, Again: your say-so is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. EVIDENCE, or it NEVER HAPPENED. If you have computer problems, borrow another computer. Your church’s, your neighbor’s, your library’s, your office’s, whatever. But show me EVIDENCE.
On the latest one: it MAY BE a forgery, but if so, it was forged ON PAPER, BEFORE it was scanned. I have read all of the “several sources” that you claim “prove” it. I do this stuff for a living (digital forensics), and NONE of those “proofs” hold up.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ Sorry the latest is an obvious forgery so if you do this stuff for a living is hard to believe you are clueless.
point is a photocopy would have been an unimpeachable proof. Yet no................
My problem is only here at this site. Only my scroll wheel and arrow buttons work here. If anyone reading this has a suggestion feel free to offer it.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, I’m sorry to hear about your problems with YouTube, but I fail to see why that would prevent you from finding evidence to support your claim. Those would involve sites OTHER THAN YouTube (e.g. Hawaii and US government sites, legal research sites, search engines, etc.). At any rate, I’ll try to help you in Private Messages, rather than clutter this thread up with irrelevant computer help stuff.
As for the “forgery,” no, it isn’t. The things that look obvious are wrong.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ Only true BC would be a photcopy. Has yet to produce one.
Novelty and latest composit forgery are not proof.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, (cont.)
Note, though, that I do NOT claim that I have proven that the long form, OR the 2008 COLB, is GENUINE. I have not. I have simply proven that if it WAS forged, it was forged in a way completely different from what these various videos from ppsimmons and others allege. The layers, links, “kerning,” “fonts,” etc. etc. etc. — NONE of them pan out.
IF it was forged, it was forged ON PAPER, •BEFORE• it was scanned. Digital analyses could not readily detect that.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ It is a composite of many different sources. And even having fonts that didn't exist on typwriters of the time. And in a mish mash form. It is not even a good forgery. You simply want it t be real ergo the blinders.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, Now that is just plain flatly Not True. The typewritten text used a VERY common font (THE MOST common font used in typewriters of the day) known as “Pica” (also the word used to denote the “pitch” of the fixed-width type at 10 characters per inch — 12CPI, the other common pitch, was called “Elite” and the second most common font for typewriters was called “Prestige Elite”).
Unless you mean the FORM text (titles, field labels, etc.)? Of COURSE THOSE didn’t exist on typewriters.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ There are a mix of fonts different T's and such you couldn't do that with one typewriter.
Unless the typewriter in 1961 was magically capable of producing different size and shaped images with the exact same key, the document released by the White House April 27 is a forgery. Steel-stamped letters do not expand to larger sizes and morph into different styles of type," it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate. yet they do.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, No, Jackie, there are not different fonts. The Ts and other letters look different because they were SCANNED. When you scan something, it gets converted into an array of pixels. Those pixels are along a pixel grid.
In a raw scanned image of a doument, there are NO letters, digits, signatures, etc. AS FAR AS THE COMPUTER is concerned. There are only PIXELS that are arranged to LOOK LIKE those things to HUMAN EYES, interpreted by HUMAN BRAINS.
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ Scanning would not change letters from other letters within one word. A word containing two t's woud not scan as two different styles of t in one word.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl, (cont.) So, if two of the exact same letter in the exact same font exist in a document being scanned, the exact same pixels and thus the exact same shape would ONLY be produced IF, and ONLY IF, the two letters just HAPPENED to line up EXACTLY with the pixel grid in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
If anything, the differing shapes of the same letters is evidence that it’s NOT faked! If someone typed NEW text onto a scanned image, THOSE letters WOULD be identical to each other!
COMALiteJ 7 months ago
@COMALiteJ Differing shapes of the same letters was not possible on a typewriter in the 60"s. It is a forgery.
pataskalagirl 7 months ago
@pataskalagirl I just have 3 questions. Why would he release a fake certificate? He didnt have to release anything (or allow anything to be released. However you wish to phrase it).
Why has this not been a major court case? All these people on Youtube saying "Its fake!" but no one takes it to court? That seems strange...
UncontestedTruth 6 months ago
@UncontestedTruth 1 Because he has no real ne to offer. 2 Because a best selling (even before released) book was coming out. They tried to discredit the book. And they wanted to thwart sales of it by releasing a BC first. Didn't work it is the worst fake yet. But he has no real one to offer apparently or a simple photocopy would have been released. 3 Obama has spent 2 million so far in keeping numerous cases out of court. But it is going to happen soon anyway.
pataskalagirl 6 months ago
@pataskalagirl Because of a book? I cant tell you how hard Im laughing. I asked why with the "overwhelming evidence" has no one make a major court case out of this? Still didnt tell me why.
Its the "worst fake yet"? Do you not think thats bullshit? I mean read the words I am about to tell you 100 times. President of the United States of America. Do you seriously think he, of all the people on the planet, would release the "worst fake yet"? No no seriously...bells should be chiming in your brain
UncontestedTruth 6 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Laugh all you want that book has scared the crap out of them.
There will be a court case but not easily..,. he is the chief law enforcement officer of the land. Gives him an edge.
Yes it is a pathetic fake with multiple problems. And it even says it was created on April 27, 2011. And it says it is an abstract meaning it has no resemblance to what is on file.
You are stupid and gullible or simply want chaos. Your choice..
pataskalagirl 6 months ago
@pataskalagirl What does this have to do with the police?
Why havent the Republicans, who hate Obama, done a goddamn backflip? Why arent they the ones pushing? I mean it would be an INSTANT victory in the next election so why dont they bring it up?
What book? Why would they release such a "pathetic fake" and thus help this "book" sell? Why couldnt the goddamn POTUS get a better fake?
When you apply logical analysis and rid yourself of idiotic bias and hate you reach a sensible conclusion...
UncontestedTruth 6 months ago
@UncontestedTruth What Police? Because the liberal media crucifies anyone who balks at his citizenship. Denounced as racist or birther no one wants that bash fest. Yet he has not been certified ever by anyone.
Because its tough to go back in time so it makes a fake BC difficult to pull off. I have no bias. I simply want the Usurper out. You have to be a a Natural Born Citizen. Obama cannot pull that off no matter where he was born. " Where's the Birth Certificate" best selling Corsi book..
pataskalagirl 6 months ago
@pataskalagirl Police have nothing to do with this.
A BC is so difficult to pull of that all these youtubers can determine its fake? That doesnt make much sense.
They were so worried about a book that they released a "pathetic fake"? THAT doesnt make much sense.
The goddamn President is the one that released this "pathetic fake"? HE IS THE PRESIDENT. THAT also doesnt make sense.
Well if you have read the US code, you would know that Obamas a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.
UncontestedTruth 6 months ago
@UncontestedTruth Again why are you talking about police? Because I pointed out that Obama is The Chief Law Enforcement officer In The Land? You know that is part of the definition of the Presidents job? Right? They they told people see don't buy the book..... here is the BC. Didn't work. It is hard to fake 50 year records they are numbered. The number he chose was a dead persons certificate number. If you read the code you would know he is not a American NBC no matter where he was born..
pataskalagirl 6 months ago
@pataskalagirl I couldve sworn the Attorney general is the chief law enforcement officer. Still havent answered why no court case and why reps arent talking about it seeing as how its a guarantee for the next election. Ah yes. The "dead infant" conspiracy. Youre one of those people who believes any illegimate source if it agrees with you arent you. Obviously you havent read the US code. Obama didnt have to be naturalized. If you not naturalized youre a NBC. He is indeed a NBC.
UncontestedTruth 6 months ago
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@UncontestedTruth Well you would be wrong then. That is the President. The fact that he was not naturalized is because he claims to be a jus Soli citizen, born here. If it turns out he wasn't he is then not even a citizen. He is not, nor can he ever be a NBC. There have been numerous cases. Obama has spent 2 million dollars so far to keep it out if court. He is the President with the ultimate power. Your lack of common sense keeps tripping you up.
pataskalagirl 6 months ago
@pataskalagirl You so conveniently forget of Jus Sanguinis. That would apply to his mother. The USCIS very clearly defines this. Yet that is just a sidenote.
There isnt claiming or disclaiming of naturalization. If he was there would be documentation. If he isnt, then he isnt. Since he isnt, yet he is still a citizen, he can only be an NBC. Whether it is from his mother and soil, or just soil, or just his mother, it doesnt really matter. Easy enough to follow?
UncontestedTruth 5 months ago
@UncontestedTruth You are only a Natural Born citizen if you are born of two American parents, in other words native to America.
Even if he were born in the USA, he is not nor never will be a NBC. A jus soli is a citizen only, a naturalized citizen is a citizen only. You can marry another Jus soli citizen or Naturalized or native citizen. Then you can give birth to a NBC. If he wasn't born here and never naturalized then his kids are not even NBC.
pataskalagirl 5 months ago
@pataskalagirl There isnt a 2 parent requirement. 2 ways to confer citizenship. Citizen by birth (jus soli/ sanguinis) or naturalization. There is not a "citizen only" category. You either fall into 1 or the other. Citizen by birth is natural born. They are naturally a citizen at birth. Obvious enough. Obama was given citizenship at birth under BOTH jus soli and jus sanguinis. Each principle, even separately, gives eligibility for president. Go read USCIS codes and be enlightened.
UncontestedTruth 5 months ago
@UncontestedTruth A Natural Born Citizen needs no law to confer. It is natural native born to the country with no help of any law. Of course there is a citizen and then there is a NBC. That Jus Soli was a way to build simple citizens in the beginning of a country. Most 1st world countries have already abolished such a simple citizenship. . Even Canada doesn't recognize such a insignificant citizenship anymore. His mother didn't qualify for jus sanguinis . She didn't meet requirements..
pataskalagirl 5 months ago
@pataskalagirl This is America. Other countries principles are irrelevant.
Law gives definition. Without definition, accurate interpretation would be absolutely impossible. Regardless of subjective reasoning, the law will overrule all.
Casting aside legal statutes, I speak with certainty because Obamas in the White House=EOD. Unless Hawaiin officials lie, he has been paying all gov agencies for decades and has EVERY branch of gov (thousands of people) committing high treason. How (un)likely...
UncontestedTruth 5 months ago