Once you dedicate enough time to become apt in traditional style, it takes less time to learn another. Bagua, xing yi, ba ji, tai chi compliment and enhance each other
@TheMartialartsJedi I understand that. But wouldn't learning just one in such depth take more than one lifetime? How could you know all three if you only have one life? I'm want to study Baguazhang one day, but I worry that it would "mix me up" with what I am already learning. I want the 2 arts to blend well.
I hope you understand what I said, as I am not very good at explaining what it is I am thinking.
I am just curious as to how so many internal artists know so many different arts and manage to be experts in them. I understand that they have similar principles, but how can they be experts in Taijiquan,baguazhang and xing yi quan? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just want to know how you can. I figure it would be a spread yourself thin kind of thing.
yieldingbamboo your spot on there, karate woz changed in name and technique not to be chinese coz the japs didnt like chinese back then. japanes karate is shit in my opinion i hav trained a few styles of it. okinawan karate is much better than the japanese karate, okinawan karate has clawing/tearing/ripping with fingers and use hojo undo like griping jars, sand bowl for finger thrust etc, japanese karate has none of this
@chatanwarrior gong fu/kung fu / gung fu all same thing, doesnt actually mean martial art, bruce lee made the term famous, actually means something like ; skill over long time, or a skill which takes time to learn.
Gongfu is the same as Kung Fu. One is the newer pinyin transliteration of Chinese to English, and the latter is wade-giles. It literally means "time / effort".
@ukguy Yeah,like boxing means broken teeth/nose and pro wrestling/MMA competitions means roids.I think is a little more complex than this.Western style pratictioneers should improve in some way, Easter style dudes in others.Best regards
My friend from my martial arts meetup is a Uechi-ryu instructor 3rd degree black belt. According to him, Uechi ryu starts out hard and linear and evolves into a circular and softer style toward black belt. That kind of goes in line with how older Shaolin styles or teaching methods work. You start out with the hard and practical that trains strength, speed, flexibility. Then you work toward softer and more circular motions that require more finesse, uses less muscle.
I dont think that original shaolin was linear tho (if that was your meaning by "straight"). Shaolin gong fu was founded to be a defensive tactic and a method of health and strengthening. So if you ask me, it was neither linear or circular first. Both were made in conjunction together.
Shaolin White Crane kung fu is a soft-hard style. That means it uses 'soft power'. The muscles stay relaxed like a whip until the memoent of striking. At the last second there is tension. Not all Shaolin kung fu is external. White crane is the root of Okinawan karate.
Yes, but I'm not referring to soft and hard. I'm referring to the mechanics of producing power. For example, one-piece power: Using the structure of the whole body to generate power rather than using velocity. I find this a very interesting example of the fusing of the two. Nice video.
Soft-hard kung fu is all about using the whole body to produce power (Jing). Dr Yang has 55 schools in 18 countries. MANY of his students have internal mechanics. What you said doesn't make sense.
To become a great martial artist requires curiosity and honesty with one's self. Not understanding something is the beginning of the path to understanding.
then why are'nt you being honest with your self? lol You must not be a very good martial artist by your standards then. since you werent being very honest with your self by stating Dr. yangs students dont have his internal developement, honestly i doubt you know all his students to make that judgement lol
Perhaps there are some, for every opportunity there is an opportunist. Some people take poor teaching and yield amazing results,while the converse is true also; some people have great teachers but develop no kung fu. As for internal mechanics... it's internal. They can't be taught, only experienced. From that vantage, it doesn't really matter if Dr. yang says he has internal mechanics or not. If the student is dedicated, the student will develop them. Having 55 schools is besides the fact.
Have u seen or know every student in all his schools in all 18 countries?Think about that for a min, but try not to fry your brain. Unless your a really good stalker of many people in many countries then ur comment was ignorantly stated. Dont be stupid, what u should have stated was the students u "seen" did not seem to have internal mechanics as I seriously doubt u know everyone he taught to say "his students" dont have this and that. Youtube is great, minus the "know-it-all" keyboard masters
I've been studying White Crane for a while along with monkey and tiger, and so far crane is my favorite. I've been buying Dr. Yang Jwing Ming's DVD's and he is a good master. Something I found funny is that when I was a kid I pretended that I knew Kung Fu, but when I grew up and started Kung Fu training a lot of things I did as a kid were actual Kung Fu moves. After I saw Kung Fu Panda I really got into Kung Fu. I haven't had to use it, but I do use some moves to get through the day, they help.
I'm fairly new 2 white crane so would someone please explain how this is the root of Okinawan Karate? if it was practiced in the southern shaolin temple in china and was infact invented in china by a women. What does it have to do with japan?
well it was created in China and exported in Japan and Japanese created goju ryu, uechi ryu and some other style. It was spread in southern china. and got in japan. it's the root, the origin. So there're similar concepts, basics...
No, it was exported to Okinawa and the Okinawans created goju-ryu, uechi-ryu, etc from it. Later it was introduced to Japan and from there karate spread to the rest of the world. Although Okinawa is part of Japan nowadays, there is a clear difference between an Okinawan and a Japanese. The Japanse didn't have much relations with Chinese. The Okinawans did have good relations and this sometimes irritated the Japanese.
Be careful when you talk about things stating "Infact" when there were little or no written records. YOu can't prove any kungfu system was "infact" invented bey a woman. If youre referring to WIngChun that is a popular myth. Handed down verbally.
Dr. Yang is a great master. He is a treasure in China. He is setting the record straight in so many ways. There are so many things peopel don't know about Chinese Martial Arts.Did you know "karate" was first called "Chinese Hand?"
There is a BBC documentary here on youtube about a person who researched karate's origins. He found that Karate was originally taught for weapons combat only, not hand to hand.
I think it is highly likely that a large percentage of battles in those times involved weapons. However, Karate, which was originally named 'China Hand', aka Chinese martial style, definitely involves barehand techniques at its root.
depends on how you look at it. Hawaii is a state of the USA but do you consider the culture,history and former kingdom an all american thing or a pacific islander culture? Okinawa was an indepenent kingdom in vassalage with china, and had its own culture and language seperate from japan at that time. so in all actuality karate is okinawan not japanese, but imported to japan in the 1920's. so I guess the only thing funny here is your ignorant "comment". lol
@CRTVBR It's probably a point of view thing. They're probably similar to one extent or another - most hard styles in the East have roots in Long Fist. Or so I gather.
seen it many times, and saddly it never stated anything you were trying to pass off as fact. karate-kara-te= china "hand"...okinawan "te" "hand". they called it such cuz it involves using the body or the hand as a weapon. and its common knowlege most martial arts were weapon based in there time...nothing new there...kabuto was there weaponed based martial art, karate was developed when they had no weapons. I suggest you re-watch the show, it seems to have a few misconceptions.
karate once *meant* china hand. however, the word meanings changed, or they ued similar kanji with the same sound but different meaning. it means "empty hand" now. the fact that it was alway called "Te" and then eventually "Karate" has never changed.
In the video they say that shaolin white crane is the root for okinawan karate. But honestly the style does look nothing than karate. It is very different. I have practised Shotokan karate, but can barely see any resemblance.
well look at shotokan karate and okiniwan karate styles like goju ryu and uechi ryu and you will find similarities with white crane. It indeed doesn't look like karate because it is not karate! But the sanchin dashi position has something in common with the basic white crane stance: toes and knees inward. There's also where the fist start when punching: it's not from the waist but about the niiple's height. There's also a roundess and softness that you can find in Okinawan karate...
shotokan takes after Shorin-ryu, which is more of a straight shaolin ,ethod (what people think the original shaolin was like). If you look at Goju and Uechi ryu, you see almot identical parts of a form, performed slightly different in a more rigid way.
Shotokan Karate is Japanese. Japanese karate comes from Okinawan Karate. Okinawan karate comes from Naha-te, Shuri-te, Tomari-te, etc. integrated into southern chinese gong fu. so japanese styles have very little to do with chinese styles
Goju-ryu is not a rigid style. As the name suggest in Japanese, it means half hard half soft. It derives most of its basic moves from Ming He Chuan or Whooping Crane Gung Fu & Ngor Chor Kuen of Fuzhou, Fukien Province of PRC. FThe founder of Goju- Ryu, Miyagi spent some 18 years in Fukien learning this art from variuos masters there. So, you cannot deny the Chinese influence on karate-do even though it has developed incorportating the local naha-te, etc to produce what you have now as Goju-ryu.
i just love watching all the kung fu artist's moves. from the hard styl tiger to the soft style crane... uuuuuu! xD
karakuraable 5 days ago
Interesting comments guys..
Aromaticduck 3 months ago
Does any one know whats song this is?
LynchReganVids 6 months ago
Once you dedicate enough time to become apt in traditional style, it takes less time to learn another. Bagua, xing yi, ba ji, tai chi compliment and enhance each other
MrKWAMEFREEMAN 7 months ago
@TheMartialartsJedi I understand that. But wouldn't learning just one in such depth take more than one lifetime? How could you know all three if you only have one life? I'm want to study Baguazhang one day, but I worry that it would "mix me up" with what I am already learning. I want the 2 arts to blend well.
I hope you understand what I said, as I am not very good at explaining what it is I am thinking.
jmikejapan 8 months ago
white crane has lots of snapping techniques its good to use when your young but it's really rough in the joints it can cause early artheritis
jelloofhell 9 months ago
@jelloofhell Then counter the arthritis with Tai Chi : )
SamoViKikujte 5 months ago
I am just curious as to how so many internal artists know so many different arts and manage to be experts in them. I understand that they have similar principles, but how can they be experts in Taijiquan,baguazhang and xing yi quan? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just want to know how you can. I figure it would be a spread yourself thin kind of thing.
Can someone explain?
jmikejapan 11 months ago
Lets all help each other, we all have a passion for learning kung fu :)
So where can I get some of these dvds ^-^
godgrant123 1 year ago
@godgrant123 Click the link under the video above.
ymaa.com/publishing/dvd/kung_fu_DVD/shaolin_white_crane_gongfu_3_4
Dvivid 1 year ago
@Dvivid não seja voce mesmo seu proprio inimigo
TheVicente2000 1 month ago
could taiji stem from white crane?
koomran 1 year ago
@koomran No. But there is a relationship and common history with all soft and soft/hard martial styles.
Dvivid 1 year ago
@Dvivid yea the first record was found in warring states era tombs abou't soft and hard. learning to yeild and aggress will bring victory.
kaindrg 11 months ago
were can i get any of his books and dvds to learn his art anyone thank you
SaInT1185 1 year ago
@SaInT1185 YMAA dot com
Dvivid 1 year ago
they need to open a YMAA in Los Angeles
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 closest right now in Northern California, YMAA Retreat Center, 4 hours North of San Fran.
Dvivid 1 year ago
yieldingbamboo your spot on there, karate woz changed in name and technique not to be chinese coz the japs didnt like chinese back then. japanes karate is shit in my opinion i hav trained a few styles of it. okinawan karate is much better than the japanese karate, okinawan karate has clawing/tearing/ripping with fingers and use hojo undo like griping jars, sand bowl for finger thrust etc, japanese karate has none of this
joncobber 2 years ago 2
i have a very stupid question, is gong fu different from kung for or is it just a pronunciation thing?
chatanwarrior 2 years ago 2
@chatanwarrior gong fu/kung fu / gung fu all same thing, doesnt actually mean martial art, bruce lee made the term famous, actually means something like ; skill over long time, or a skill which takes time to learn.
ukguy 2 years ago
Gongfu is the same as Kung Fu. One is the newer pinyin transliteration of Chinese to English, and the latter is wade-giles. It literally means "time / effort".
Dvivid 2 years ago 2
@ukguy Yeah,like boxing means broken teeth/nose and pro wrestling/MMA competitions means roids.I think is a little more complex than this.Western style pratictioneers should improve in some way, Easter style dudes in others.Best regards
acquafredda75 1 year ago
@chatanwarrior its just a pronunciation thing, or more accurately, its two different ways to transliterate Chinese to English, Wade-Giles, or pinyin
Dvivid 1 year ago
@chatanwarrior
The correct way to say it is the original chinese language GUNG FU which is how bruce lee pronounced it.
Kung fu only came about when david carradine made the kung fu series :)
womblewandering 1 year ago
fair question if ya dont know but you guessed close its just a spelling thing =]
WONGFEHUNG1 10 months ago
My friend from my martial arts meetup is a Uechi-ryu instructor 3rd degree black belt. According to him, Uechi ryu starts out hard and linear and evolves into a circular and softer style toward black belt. That kind of goes in line with how older Shaolin styles or teaching methods work. You start out with the hard and practical that trains strength, speed, flexibility. Then you work toward softer and more circular motions that require more finesse, uses less muscle.
thewhoopimen 2 years ago
@thewhoopimen thats what my shohei-ryu sensei was telling us a few weeks ago about waookie blocks, the black belts do it differently than lower belts
chatanwarrior 2 years ago
...what he said. Yeildingbamboo
I dont think that original shaolin was linear tho (if that was your meaning by "straight"). Shaolin gong fu was founded to be a defensive tactic and a method of health and strengthening. So if you ask me, it was neither linear or circular first. Both were made in conjunction together.
GrendelsWish 2 years ago
How is this truly a Shaolin form? It seems to employ internal mechanics.
cioccolatosexy 3 years ago
Shaolin White Crane kung fu is a soft-hard style. That means it uses 'soft power'. The muscles stay relaxed like a whip until the memoent of striking. At the last second there is tension. Not all Shaolin kung fu is external. White crane is the root of Okinawan karate.
Dvivid 3 years ago
Yes, but I'm not referring to soft and hard. I'm referring to the mechanics of producing power. For example, one-piece power: Using the structure of the whole body to generate power rather than using velocity. I find this a very interesting example of the fusing of the two. Nice video.
cioccolatosexy 3 years ago
Also, it's interesting that his students don't have any of the internal mechanics, only him.
cioccolatosexy 3 years ago 3
Soft-hard kung fu is all about using the whole body to produce power (Jing). Dr Yang has 55 schools in 18 countries. MANY of his students have internal mechanics. What you said doesn't make sense.
Dvivid 3 years ago 2
To become a great martial artist requires curiosity and honesty with one's self. Not understanding something is the beginning of the path to understanding.
cioccolatosexy 3 years ago
Just as long as your cup isn't overflowing already...
timeneffort 2 years ago
Just as long as your cup isn't overflowing.....
timeneffort 2 years ago
then why are'nt you being honest with your self? lol You must not be a very good martial artist by your standards then. since you werent being very honest with your self by stating Dr. yangs students dont have his internal developement, honestly i doubt you know all his students to make that judgement lol
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
I am having a hard time finding what forms are in the White Crane Gong Fu system?? There is just one posted on Youtube.
brzl1 2 years ago
Perhaps there are some, for every opportunity there is an opportunist. Some people take poor teaching and yield amazing results,while the converse is true also; some people have great teachers but develop no kung fu. As for internal mechanics... it's internal. They can't be taught, only experienced. From that vantage, it doesn't really matter if Dr. yang says he has internal mechanics or not. If the student is dedicated, the student will develop them. Having 55 schools is besides the fact.
syphen888 2 years ago
Have u seen or know every student in all his schools in all 18 countries?Think about that for a min, but try not to fry your brain. Unless your a really good stalker of many people in many countries then ur comment was ignorantly stated. Dont be stupid, what u should have stated was the students u "seen" did not seem to have internal mechanics as I seriously doubt u know everyone he taught to say "his students" dont have this and that. Youtube is great, minus the "know-it-all" keyboard masters
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
very few are able to grasp such a concept, much less obtain the sensitivity in order to develop and master it.
yieldingbamboo 2 years ago
good teacher..... thank you...
russincleo 3 years ago
I've been studying White Crane for a while along with monkey and tiger, and so far crane is my favorite. I've been buying Dr. Yang Jwing Ming's DVD's and he is a good master. Something I found funny is that when I was a kid I pretended that I knew Kung Fu, but when I grew up and started Kung Fu training a lot of things I did as a kid were actual Kung Fu moves. After I saw Kung Fu Panda I really got into Kung Fu. I haven't had to use it, but I do use some moves to get through the day, they help.
MasterWhiteCrane 3 years ago
Alot of chinese influences in traditional okinawan arts
alexyynz 3 years ago
WOW, Dr Mings POWER is On a whole different relm.
damian1469 3 years ago 2
I'm fairly new 2 white crane so would someone please explain how this is the root of Okinawan Karate? if it was practiced in the southern shaolin temple in china and was infact invented in china by a women. What does it have to do with japan?
kinjk 3 years ago
well it was created in China and exported in Japan and Japanese created goju ryu, uechi ryu and some other style. It was spread in southern china. and got in japan. it's the root, the origin. So there're similar concepts, basics...
darth8freak 3 years ago 2
No, it was exported to Okinawa and the Okinawans created goju-ryu, uechi-ryu, etc from it. Later it was introduced to Japan and from there karate spread to the rest of the world. Although Okinawa is part of Japan nowadays, there is a clear difference between an Okinawan and a Japanese. The Japanse didn't have much relations with Chinese. The Okinawans did have good relations and this sometimes irritated the Japanese.
Gyte75 3 years ago 3
Be careful when you talk about things stating "Infact" when there were little or no written records. YOu can't prove any kungfu system was "infact" invented bey a woman. If youre referring to WIngChun that is a popular myth. Handed down verbally.
bladesaint21 3 years ago
whit crane is my favorite i been practicing for 3 years hehe and thats the master of my teacher
rockerjaz666 3 years ago
Dr. Yang is a great master. He is a treasure in China. He is setting the record straight in so many ways. There are so many things peopel don't know about Chinese Martial Arts.Did you know "karate" was first called "Chinese Hand?"
QianHanXiongShou 3 years ago 2
still is by some people who use the old kanji...pronounced tode in japanese. same with tang soo do. tang hand.
kempobrad 3 years ago
There is a BBC documentary here on youtube about a person who researched karate's origins. He found that Karate was originally taught for weapons combat only, not hand to hand.
Designriffs 3 years ago
I think it is highly likely that a large percentage of battles in those times involved weapons. However, Karate, which was originally named 'China Hand', aka Chinese martial style, definitely involves barehand techniques at its root.
Dvivid 3 years ago 2
Where can we see such a style vs european boxing styles ?
French boxing for exemple, known for having very fast and powerful impulses like white crane
Would be interesting to see the contest
bandedecloches 2 years ago
...thats funny becaus karate is japanese
alion06 2 years ago
depends on how you look at it. Hawaii is a state of the USA but do you consider the culture,history and former kingdom an all american thing or a pacific islander culture? Okinawa was an indepenent kingdom in vassalage with china, and had its own culture and language seperate from japan at that time. so in all actuality karate is okinawan not japanese, but imported to japan in the 1920's. so I guess the only thing funny here is your ignorant "comment". lol
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago 18
karate is okinawan.
yieldingbamboo 2 years ago
No. Karate is Okinawan. Different people, different culture.
Koryuhoka 2 years ago
@Dvivid
It's curious that some Japaneses and Thai call kung fu "Chinese karate", as seen in a few Bruce Lee movies.
CRTVBR 1 year ago 2
@CRTVBR It's probably a point of view thing. They're probably similar to one extent or another - most hard styles in the East have roots in Long Fist. Or so I gather.
tsubasaISfun 1 year ago
@CRTVBR only when translated to bad English subtitles.
Dvivid 1 year ago
@CRTVBR I am pretty sure karate has part of its roots in china before moving on to Japan.
Gajoobles 1 year ago
@Gajoobles ur right. very dark history between the two unfortunately
Bagface 1 year ago
seen it many times, and saddly it never stated anything you were trying to pass off as fact. karate-kara-te= china "hand"...okinawan "te" "hand". they called it such cuz it involves using the body or the hand as a weapon. and its common knowlege most martial arts were weapon based in there time...nothing new there...kabuto was there weaponed based martial art, karate was developed when they had no weapons. I suggest you re-watch the show, it seems to have a few misconceptions.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
karate once *meant* china hand. however, the word meanings changed, or they ued similar kanji with the same sound but different meaning. it means "empty hand" now. the fact that it was alway called "Te" and then eventually "Karate" has never changed.
yieldingbamboo 2 years ago
In the video they say that shaolin white crane is the root for okinawan karate. But honestly the style does look nothing than karate. It is very different. I have practised Shotokan karate, but can barely see any resemblance.
Gyte75 3 years ago
well look at shotokan karate and okiniwan karate styles like goju ryu and uechi ryu and you will find similarities with white crane. It indeed doesn't look like karate because it is not karate! But the sanchin dashi position has something in common with the basic white crane stance: toes and knees inward. There's also where the fist start when punching: it's not from the waist but about the niiple's height. There's also a roundess and softness that you can find in Okinawan karate...
darth8freak 3 years ago 5
shotokan takes after Shorin-ryu, which is more of a straight shaolin ,ethod (what people think the original shaolin was like). If you look at Goju and Uechi ryu, you see almot identical parts of a form, performed slightly different in a more rigid way.
Shotokan Karate is Japanese. Japanese karate comes from Okinawan Karate. Okinawan karate comes from Naha-te, Shuri-te, Tomari-te, etc. integrated into southern chinese gong fu. so japanese styles have very little to do with chinese styles
yieldingbamboo 2 years ago
Goju-ryu is not a rigid style. As the name suggest in Japanese, it means half hard half soft. It derives most of its basic moves from Ming He Chuan or Whooping Crane Gung Fu & Ngor Chor Kuen of Fuzhou, Fukien Province of PRC. FThe founder of Goju- Ryu, Miyagi spent some 18 years in Fukien learning this art from variuos masters there. So, you cannot deny the Chinese influence on karate-do even though it has developed incorportating the local naha-te, etc to produce what you have now as Goju-ryu.
ruhulee 2 years ago 14
very nice.
ferjepoba 3 years ago 3
i know some white crane. good stuff it is
randyds5 3 years ago 2