Phoebe Mills - 1988 Olympics EF - Balance Beam

[cj222100]

oops, I meant at 0:38

[cj222100]

wow, that move at 1:29 is cool

[msms68]

did she medal

[jonnythong22]

@msms68 She won the bronze medal for this event, tied with Potorac.  The only American gymnast to medal in an event in the 1988 Olympics.

[bertera1614]

her leo was broken !!!

[gymnastgirl1232]

That's my uncles cousin!

[ekateri28]

Way to go Phoebe!!!

[mmoran3]

well silivas only did 1 release move a dimidov but her low bar work was hot with a full twist on the low bar and stalders thru out the routine her front with a half dismount was ok but not the most difficult but she had the REPUTATION so it went to her

[faeryquene]

@mmoran3 Silivas had two release moves-the Deltchev and the Tkachev.

[StubbornPiggy]

Hey Phoebe!  Happy Birthday.. Nov 2nd, 2008! Awesome beam routine... One of my all time favorites.

[Felipemajo]

@StubbornPiggy Nice!!!!

[Beuterich]

@metsdudenj

15th, she fell off the beam in the next to last rotation. Had she not fallen, she would have finished 6th

That's ridiculous! Without this fall she would finished 10th.

[metsdudenj]

Nope. Im pretty sure she was tied for 6th coming into the beam rotation. The fall gave her a 9.375 or something like that, which dropped her way down. She may have also had a bobble on floor as well afterwards

[Beuterich]

Dream on!!!

[brookenicole222]

That was absoultely beautiful. I never get tired of watching Phoebe work a beam!

[angel2116]

What place did Phoebe get?

[gropious3]

she came in 3rd on the beam...not sure what place she came in for the aa though.

[metsdudenj]

15th, she fell off the beam in the next to last rotation. Had she not fallen, she would have finished 6th

[WarrenBeattySplendor]

The undisputed champion was Daniela Silivas. Yelena Shushunova, Gabi Potorac and Sveta Boginskaya should have rounded out the podium.

My opinion is based on the substance, technique, body line, dynamism and originality of the routines.

IN ACTUALITY ALL THE FINALISTS WERE FORTUNATE THAT AURELIA DOBRE SUSTAINED AN INJURY THAT HAMPERED HER PERFORMANCES BECAUSE SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT (especially on BB).

[metsdudenj]

Not true. With a double twist dismount, Dobre had no chance of medalling on beam. I agree had she done the 87 routine she would have made the finals, but Potorac was too strong, and Silivas as well. Dobre grew and passed her prime. Even when her knee was better the next year, she was the lowest scoring member on the team I think at 89 worlds. For you to say Bogi belonged on the podium was nuts, she had too many breaks and Phoebe was much better

[grafgirl27]

I agree on Dobre but it is pretty sad when a gymnasts peaks at 14 and is a has been already at 15. I wonder how many people even remember at only 14 she beat Silivas and Shushonova to win the World AA title. A year later Silivas and Shushunova are back in their own universe when it comes to the AA anyway, while Dobre is languishing in second tier has been territory.

[Felipemajo]

Dobre made the finals at 88 Olympics. She finished 6 in AA. She also made the finals on BB.

[metsdudenj]

Sorry Che, she made UB finals where she was 6th. She did not make the beam finals.

[Felipemajo]

Yes!! Sorry. She made UB finals, not BB. But she was also 6th in the AA. Regards!

[LhunGalad]

She had incredible flow in her routine

[WarrenBeattySplendor]

The undisputed and unquestionable gold medalist was Daniela Silivas. Yelena Shushunova, Gabi Potorac and Sveta Boginskaya should have completed the medalist's podium.

My opinion is based on the substance, technique, body line, dynamism and originality of the routines.

IN ACTUALITY ALL THE FINALISTS WERE FORTUNATE THAT AURELIA DOBRE SUSTAINED AN INJURY THAT HAMPERED HER PERFORMANCES BECAUSE SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT.

[Brindabella24]

gosh the Karoyli girls were little skeletons in Korea.

[elamantebilingue]

A questionably high 9.962 for a routine that had less fluidity and lacked the difficulty of Gabriela Potorac who scored a 9.95 to ensure a tie for the bronxe medal (compare mounts and Potorac had 2 tumbling series as opposed to 1). Potorac erred on her dismount as did Mills but she only hopped to adjust as she landed, Mills hopped and piked/tucked her double "tuck". I don't think either deserved such high scores but the bronze should have been in the sole possession of Potorac.

[metsdudenj]

Please stop reposting your previous posts. It isnt our fault youve run out of stupid things to say and must repeat yourself. Phoebe Mills earned the bronze medal from a judging panel that stole the team bronze from the US. If anything, she deserved Silver over Shushounova. Potorac deserved bronze.

[TuesdayPillow]

Potorac had fluidity like no other finalist PLUS a whole lot of difficulty. She'd have been my pick.

[VictoriaAbrilenAtame]

The claim that Phoebe Mills had the best BB routine in the finals is ABSURD. It was not as inventive, difficult or poignant as Daniela Silivas. It did not incorporate the astonishing difficulty that Yelena Shushunova did (full-twisting straddle down). It did not have the refined form or elegance of Svetlana Boguinskaya. It only had one tumbling series and her dismount was the piked/tucked double back reflective of bad form and poor rotation.

[QOGFProd]

cooooool :p

[metsdudenj]

Boginskaya may have wonderful elegance, but she had many errors in that routine. She also was the most overscored gymnast in Seoul, the fact that she got a medal in floor finals and the all around is criminal...TWO DOUBLE TWISTS~~~~

[russianskatingfan]

If you dont think Boginskaya deserved the AA bronze then who did. Also who deserved the medals on floor over her.

[metsdudenj]

I felt the AA bronze probably should have gone to either Potorac, Laschenova, or Dudeva. Dudeva's vault sucked so she wasnt competitive. Dobre sucked on floor and vault so she was out of it. Mills fell on beam, which took her out of the running. On floor, I would have given silver to Dudeva and bronze to the other Bulgarian, I cant remember her name right now.

[TuesdayPillow]

Vodenitcherova. I totally agree.

[grafgirl27]

I agree with those. What about the AA gold decision between Shushunova and Silivas. Do you think the judges got that right or did they blow that one. Also what about the team bronze decision.

[metsdudenj]

Its hard to say between Silivas and Shoushounova, both made mistakes, but Silivas was the more complete gymnast, I wonder if she was underscored on the vault though. In terms of the bronze, the US was completely robbed, we all know that.

[grafgirl27]

If I remember right the U.S lost bronze due to points being deducted from a routine for a coach coming out to get a mat off. It was a cheap and petty decision. I also read later it was due to a old grudge of an official to Karolyi.

As for the AA no way do I think Silivas was underscored on vault. 9.950 is great for her on vault anyway. I think beam scoring may have been wrong though, both made unusual mistakes, Shushunova is a bit weaker on beam to begin with, yet got the higher score.

[muffycat26]

I thought Silivas and Shushunova in 88 could have gone either way. On bars Silivas's routine was better and Shushunova also took a step. Silivas scored 10 and Shushunova 9.9. Beam Silivas made small mistakes which cost her bigtime, and only got a 9.9 while Shushunova got a 9.925. On floor both got a perfect 10. On vault, the worst event for Silivas, Silivas did one of her best vaults but Shushunova the vaulter followed with a better vault and Silivas got a 9.95 while Shushunova got a 10.

[muffycat26]

So basically Silivas lost the gold with her uncharacterically off beam performance. She needed to be at her best on both bars and beam since Shushunova can match her on floor and is better on vault. Her off beam performance is what cost her the title and arguably rightly so, although I felt for her since she is one of my favorites and I like her alot more then Shushunova.

[metsdudenj]

Very true, the beam needed to be 10 for her to win the gold, she actually got a lot higher than she deserved on that routine, so I guess we could say that overall she did deserve silver based on her beam and vault, she tends to be a little unpredictable on beam, she broke a lot in 87 on it

[mistybabe5489]

silivas deserved the gold but they were combining scores from the compulsories. under the new life rules she would've won

[elamantebilingue]

A questionably high 9.962 for a routine that had less fluidity and lacked the difficulty of Gabriela Potorac who scored a 9.95 to ensure a tie for the bronxe medal (compare mounts and Potorac had 2 tumbling series as opposed to 1). Potorac erred on her dismount as did Mills but she only hopped to adjust as she landed, Mills hopped and piked/tucked her double "tuck". I don't think either deserved such high scores but the bronze should have been in the sole possession of Potorac.

[russianskatingfan]

Phoebe deserved the bronze. However Silivas did not deserve the gold for beam, Shushonova did. You know why Silivas won? It is because the Romanians were bitter that Shushonova won the all around over poor Silivas, and the judges felt sorry for Silivas too, so they gave her all the event final golds to make it up to here.

[HugoBossSuperModel]

Who in their right mind would contend that this was the best BB routine at the Olympics?

I suppose someone who has no appreciation of cultural diversity and truly captivating...resounding gymnastics! That person also has the nerve to undermine a popular champion like Yelena Shushunova...reducing her to an athletic gymnast and comparing her to a boy. Whatever this person has to say is IRRELEVANT!

[VictoriaAbrilenAtame]

In complete agreement with you Hugo Boss Super Model! This routine is solid but to try to magnify the minor errors or sways of gymnasts such as Daniela Silivas, Svetlana Boginskaya and Yelena Shushunova is an inability to put things in perspective.

Phoebe Mills is no where comparable to Silivas, Boguinskaya or Shushunova in this EF or in their trajectories. Gymnastics is about artistry, panache, nuances, dynamic skills and radiant elements!

[metsdudenj]

Shushunova definitely didnt deserve a medal on this event, and only held onto the silver because of questionably high scoring in the previous rounds, In fact Silivas prelim scores were also very inflated. If you really wanted to pick medalists based on their overall finals performance, Mills, Potorac, Silivas and Kelly Garrison would be the names to consider. Neither Soviet gymnast deserved a medal in the event finals.

[russianskatingfan]

I disagree. Shushunova deserved the gold instead of Silivas. Dont forget that Silivas beat Shushonova for gold in all the event finals except vault were Silivas won a joke bronze for her crummy vault, and Shushunova would have won easy but fell. Do you think it is coincidence Silivas beats Shushonova for all 3 golds in finals. It is because Romania were bitter she lost the AA to Shushunova so made deals to get revenge unfairly on Russia.

[metsdudenj]

Sorry ruskie, you are incorrect. Silivas was much better on beam and bars than Shushounova. Shushonova should have easily won the vault and went for a double twist when she was too thick to compete that vault, she should have done an easier one. I do agree tho, that Silivas' vaults were shit, she deserved no medal in the event final

[russianskatingfan]

You are right on vault finals. I was bummed out with Shushunova for doing that rather then easily winning vault final. Ok you dont like Shushunova's beam but I dont see how you think her bars arent great. She does a full twisting Tchakev, a geigner, and a full twisting double back dismount. That is great difficulty for the time.

[metsdudenj]

she had some great tricks, but the full twisting tchakev was very low, but you are right she had superior difficulty, but i dont think she had the same lines as silivas, silivas was smooth and light, shushonova was heavy on her landings and in her swing, i think the bronze was fair for her there.

[emmyjo720]

Nobody else was doing the full twisting tchakeh then and it is the move that made Khorina and Tweddle successful on bars. Shushunova was ahead of her time.

Silivas' dismount from bars was too easy. By the EC in 1989, Silivas' bars were not difficult enough anymore, she was lucky in at the Worlds... .

Shushunova had a full twisting double back which is still difficult and the only time her landings of the bars were not nailed was during the AA.

[TuesdayPillow]

How was Silivas' bars not difficult in 1989? It was harder than many routines there, even harder than some of the Soviets'.

[metsdudenj]

I think her difficulty is amazing, but I think her swing isnt smooth. I thought she wasnt in the same class as the other medalists on the bars, but given her difficulty and good form on the geinger, I can see she deserved the bronze, but I felt the score was a little high for her.

[emmyjo720]

Someone didn't like the soviets....

Shushunova won the silver on beam here and at the WC in 1987..She may not have the cutsy moves of Silivas but she was dynamic, original and her mount of to the beam and her full-twisting Korbut are still have a high mark for difficulty.

[emmyjo720]

Shushunova was No1 in the world throughout that Quadrennium because she was gifted with great innovation and rearly made errors on the beam..even though it was her worst piece. It really annoys me when she is derided for her body type, she was a 19 year old, she didn't have the body type for "grace" but she has everything else and the highest level of difficulty.

[metsdudenj]

ive realized you are a total shit head, i hope you dont exist on youtube anymore since i havent seen any of your asshole comments in a while

[elamantebilingue]

A questionably high 9.962 for a routine that had less fluidity and lacked the difficulty of Gabriela Potorac who scored a 9.95 to ensure a tie for the bronxe medal (compare mounts and Potorac had 2 tumbling series as opposed to 1). Potorac erred on her dismount as did Mills but she only hopped to adjust as she landed, Mills hopped and piked/tucked her double "tuck". I don't think either deserved such high scores but the bronze should have been in the sole possession of Potorac.

[catalina1inaustin]

May be politics, wanting to give the U.S. a medal since they lost the team bronze because of that penalty (alternate on podium during a bar routine). Not to take away from Phoebe's great routine, I love both her and Potorac.

[elamantebilingue]

If it was a quetion of politics and wanted to set things straight, we should be clear that BULGARIA deserved the bronze medal. Considering that, they should have given Boriana Stoyanova a medal on HV and Diana Doudeva gold or silver on FX.

[metsdudenj]

Nope. Bulgaria had errors which cost them. The US earned the bronze medal based on points, get over yourself. FOr once in life, and probably the only time, I will agree with you. Stoyanova deserved vault silver and Dudeva deserved floor bronze; Vodinthecerova deserved silver. Mills fully earnd the bronze medal, she had the best routine of the finals

[VictoriaAbrilenAtame]

The claim that Phoebe Mills had the best BB routine in the finals is ABSURD. It was not as inventive, difficult or poignant as Daniela Silivas. It did not incorporate the astonishing difficulty that Yelena Shushunova did (full-twisting straddle down). It did not have the refined form or elegance of Svetlana Boguinskaya. It only had one tumbling series and her dismount was the piked/tucked double back reflective of bad form and poor rotation.

[metsdudenj]

Her layout sequence was the best of the event finals, even Connor himself said that. She had great form and wonderful originality with her headpring mount and shoulder stands. Shoushounva was a trikter with no grace or presence, she looked like a guy on beam. Silivas bobbled or nearly bobbled on a full turn every time she tried one. Mills had great eye contact off the beam, Silivas was also good, but the only one in the same class as Mills.

[VictoriaAbrilenAtame]

Absolutely! Contrary to the erroneous and skewed claim that the USA deserved a team medal, BULGARIA was the team impacted by the questionable judging and the ACTUAL BRONZE MEDALISTS! Even the American publication International Gymnast and American tv commentator and former olympian Bart Conner maintain that BULGARIA deserved the bronze medal.

[metsdudenj]

Show me where Bart Conner says Bulgaria deserved a bronze medal, he clearly says in the NBC coverage that the US was robbed of a bronze medal.

[TuesdayPillow]

In one of the Olympic issues of International Gymnast I remember reading that either Bart, the editor, or both agreed that Bulgaria were the true losers. I remember that, too.

[metsdudenj]

Bart Conner said during the 88 telecast that " the US women were robbed of a bronze medal"

[TuesdayPillow]

I am sure he did. But issues of magazines come out much later - perhaps after the emotions had subsided, he reconsidered his stand. Who knows?

[mistybabe5489]

they were. they got deducted 0.3 points b/c some coach from germany mentioned that one of our gymnasts stayed on the podium while another was doing her ub routine.

[larnet01]

Of course, Dagmar Kersten got a questionably high 10 on bars with a big hop on the dismount.

[metsdudenj]

brilliant performance, and a well deserved medal for the USA

[hmlilly]

I remember staying up until the wee hours to watch this live! INCREDIBLE performance!

[metsdudenj]

love u phoebe!