Marx envisioned no government and total equality in the end. Libertarianism is very limited government. Im talking about far left to far right. Marx did not want Trotskyism, Stalinism, or Maoism. Those types of government exercise total control of the economy which is indeed far left.
You are proving again that you know nothing of Marx or the political spectrum. It is not about control of the economy, but who has ownership of the means of production; the people or the capitalists. Libertarianism limits the power of government to restrict and regulate capital and wealth, it is elitist and leads to money having even more power. It leads to disasters like Pinochet's Chile; which had a rightist Libertarian inspired philosophy brought on by the "chicago boys" and Friedman.
Did you ever think that people liked Ron Paul because he said he would bring the troops home not just from the middle east but from everywhere? He was the only one who also came out and said he would get rid of wiretapping and also end the war on drugs. That is why a lot of people liked him. Only the far right viewed his economic plan as a message from God.
If you're going to say the Democrats are Marxists then you're a idiot. True Communism, as Marx intended, is as far right as you can get.
That's not how the political spectrum works. Only the libertarians twist the spectrum as such. The place on the spectrum is determined by the position one takes on the issue of private property and capital accumulation. The libertarian ideology is a rightist elitist philosophy that is more Neocon than the Neocons. It empowers wealth even more than it is now and removes all the regulations that protect us. It is rule by the wealthy promoted blindly by those who it will not help.
Marx envisioned rule, by and for equals, for their own benefit. Not the oligarchic rule that we have now, and that would worsen with the ultra-capitalist libertarians. You mistake the distorted societies created in his name, for his vision; but conversely, we know the libertarian vision well. It will give greater power to the rich few and remove the few restraints that protects people. You have never read Marx.
Libertarians are the worst brand of rightist. Their idea of freedom is the market. A market for freedom means that only those who can afford it are truly free. Libertarians are the new ultra-right hidden in the alluring prose of democracy. But it is a democracy few can afford. It is the libertarian camp that wants all of our public assets destroyed, they are the radical privatizes who carry on the Neocon mantra while denying it. Those who believe govt doesnt work have no reason to be in it
A free market society is a society that puts a price on freedom. You can't have full freedom in a market because the market inherently will create inequities that allows the wealthy more power. A rich person is freer than a poor one, and more politically powerful. So therefore freedom in a market society is an relative illusion; the level of freedom being correlative the degree of equity. Free markets are only truly free for the wealthy.
that jacob guy has gorgeous eyes
littleMissTickles20 2 years ago
I love how the little guy laughs as the grey haired fellow said you must work for corporations and give to the people.
dude was a G...he reminded me of a old articulate Kat Williams
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skylerdavies 2 years ago
I dont really like the poet guy, his arguement's were cheap, plus you can see he's not good in politics.........
sinoe6996 2 years ago
yea ok
i vote for Jacob the poet
hahaha
pichpuch66 3 years ago
Marx envisioned no government and total equality in the end. Libertarianism is very limited government. Im talking about far left to far right. Marx did not want Trotskyism, Stalinism, or Maoism. Those types of government exercise total control of the economy which is indeed far left.
lolquintron 3 years ago
You are proving again that you know nothing of Marx or the political spectrum. It is not about control of the economy, but who has ownership of the means of production; the people or the capitalists. Libertarianism limits the power of government to restrict and regulate capital and wealth, it is elitist and leads to money having even more power. It leads to disasters like Pinochet's Chile; which had a rightist Libertarian inspired philosophy brought on by the "chicago boys" and Friedman.
Rundstedt1 3 years ago
Obama is THE ONLY HOPE.
appatel 3 years ago
Did you ever think that people liked Ron Paul because he said he would bring the troops home not just from the middle east but from everywhere? He was the only one who also came out and said he would get rid of wiretapping and also end the war on drugs. That is why a lot of people liked him. Only the far right viewed his economic plan as a message from God.
If you're going to say the Democrats are Marxists then you're a idiot. True Communism, as Marx intended, is as far right as you can get.
lolquintron 3 years ago
That's not how the political spectrum works. Only the libertarians twist the spectrum as such. The place on the spectrum is determined by the position one takes on the issue of private property and capital accumulation. The libertarian ideology is a rightist elitist philosophy that is more Neocon than the Neocons. It empowers wealth even more than it is now and removes all the regulations that protect us. It is rule by the wealthy promoted blindly by those who it will not help.
Rundstedt1 3 years ago
Marx envisioned rule, by and for equals, for their own benefit. Not the oligarchic rule that we have now, and that would worsen with the ultra-capitalist libertarians. You mistake the distorted societies created in his name, for his vision; but conversely, we know the libertarian vision well. It will give greater power to the rich few and remove the few restraints that protects people. You have never read Marx.
Rundstedt1 3 years ago
tell that poet guy that no one plays PS2 anymore lol
Omer698 3 years ago
yeah we roll on ps3 now
rcooll 3 years ago 2
he had to rhyme it with "you"
cheegum 3 years ago
Both parts were very good. The activist in the first part was very accurate.
Individuals should examine his voting record, funding and the fact that he supports AIPAC.
Thanks, AJE!
NWKBricks1 3 years ago
Great debate from America's streets... Al Jazeera Rocks...
EsotericDesi 3 years ago
Good debate, well arbitrated and well spoken.
quexalcoatl 3 years ago
holy grey batman , he's the ultimate wigger
sptaznut 3 years ago
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wow one's a nigger the other a nigga
sptaznut 3 years ago
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If you have studied Obama's positions and past, and still agree with him, then you must be a Leninist Marxist. If falls under the ideology completely.
Just an observation, the older Obama supporter looks like Karl Marx :P
The poet is thinking
with blinders on,
The knowledge is sinking
holding his nose for Neo Con
;)
Organjic 3 years ago
You obviously have no idea what Marxism is all about. The older Obama supporter is an idiot.
mengwise36 3 years ago 2
I do know, seems like you don't! Obama and McCain have been using these tactics.
Organjic 3 years ago
After being schooled by Rundstedt1, I hope you see the error in your ways.
mengwise36 3 years ago 3
Obama a Marist??? Only a radical free marketer Ron Paul supporter of corporate fascism would think so.
Besides, he's never been to even one of our meetings.
Libertarian = Stateless-Neocon
Rundstedt1 3 years ago
S/B - Obama a Maxist??? Sorry for the typo.
Rundstedt1 3 years ago
lol! He does not support corporate fascism...
what are you talking about? Meetings?
Libertarian = State rights
Organjic 3 years ago
Libertarians are the worst brand of rightist. Their idea of freedom is the market. A market for freedom means that only those who can afford it are truly free. Libertarians are the new ultra-right hidden in the alluring prose of democracy. But it is a democracy few can afford. It is the libertarian camp that wants all of our public assets destroyed, they are the radical privatizes who carry on the Neocon mantra while denying it. Those who believe govt doesnt work have no reason to be in it
Rundstedt1 3 years ago
A free market society is a society that puts a price on freedom. You can't have full freedom in a market because the market inherently will create inequities that allows the wealthy more power. A rich person is freer than a poor one, and more politically powerful. So therefore freedom in a market society is an relative illusion; the level of freedom being correlative the degree of equity. Free markets are only truly free for the wealthy.
Rundstedt1 3 years ago