(continued) He's the only one who could be properly substituted for mankind because He is God in the flesh, and God is sinless. Only God Himself is a pure enough sacrifice to satisfy His holy justice, for all men have sinned.
The Bible declares that mankind must have a blood sacrifice to substitute penalty for their sins by placing them on the sacrifice. The sacrifice has to be blameless, else the punishment could not be substituted, since the thing sacrificed would be dying for its own sins. Clean and spotless animals were once sacrificed as a temporal measure until a fully qualified sacrifice could be supplied at the proper time. Followers of Yeshua believe He was that perfect sacrifice.
He came to restore the the lost sheep of the House of Israel. He came to unite the Northern and southern tribes back to unity. Because they were adulterous and put tradition in front of Written Torah he divorced them and promised to reunite them in the end. Since the seed of Jacob is so great on the earth it took time and only thru great tribulation both side will come to knowledge of His Son. The Christians are probably Ephriam. Both sides are adulterous nations currently.
So, for a karaite jew who keeps the law without the oral torah(which you don't believe in), what purpose is there in believing in him? It seems there's no purpose to believe in him.
And what about his "atoning death." It seems his death, then, had no purpose.
1) Deut. 24:1-5 a picture of Mashiyach divorcing his defiant bride ( House of Israel)
2) Jeremiah 3:6-8 Issued them a Ketuba.
He will scatter them because of disobedience, He will bring them back. He will make a new Renew the Covenant Jeremiah 31:31 Not with men that die and have to be replaced. As Y'shua said was his mission was Matthew 15:24 I am sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Shalom, Everyone should follow Torah it was not just for Yahuda. Shemot 12:49 There is ONE Torah for the native born AND FOR THE STRANGER WHO SOJOURNS AMONG YOU' also Bemidbar 9:14. He died for our sins so that we no longer have to do animal sacrifices for sin he paid that price for us. He also came to show us not to follow the man made traditions just Torah. That is why Rabbi's don't like Yahushua because he did away with THEIR manmade traditions not with the Law itself.
Of course there is no sacrifice, Yahushua was the final sacrifice for sin and the true followers of Him follow Torah. The followers of jesus (christians) say that Torah was done away with they have been deceived for 2,000 years by the catholic church. Yahushua said if you love Me keep My commandments (Torah). He also said do not think I came to abolish the Torah. I pray for you my Jewish brother and for the Christians to accept the Jewish Mashiach Yahushua He died for you and me.
Scripture says that there would be a time of NO SACRIFICE(not a final sacrifice, no sacrifice) and during that time prayer and repentence would replace sacrifice.
Do not lower g-d to tihnk that he NEEDS sacrifice(or anything, for that matter) in order to forgive us of our sins.
please do not refer to our Mashiach as jesus, please use his real name Yahushua. We all have a choice to make I guess you have made yours. I am not going to keep on with this, there are people who want to know the truth. Yahuah willing you will be one of them.
This is a very appropriate and valid question! You ask for our opinion and so I will offer it. I believe the written Torah is for all people. The Oral Torah was entrusted to the Jewish people/converts. The Messiah was slain at the foundation of the world for the cost of our transgression of the Torah. This however did not relieve us from serving each other through Mitzvot.
I just looked up an english-hebrew translation of the mishneh.
The second commandment is to acknowledge g-ds oneness, as it is written the lord our g-d, the lord is one. ECHAD, not yachid. Yet he still uses this word to assume g-ds oneness.
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and Just so you know the New testament does not do away with the old , its just commentary on the old..christians like to twist the scripture and say it does away with it but it most certainly doesnt! you ignore all the messianic prophecies and I feel sorry for you and your ignorant rabbis that deny Yahushua as Maschiach because when he returns you WILL RECOGNIZE THE ONE WHOM YOUVE PIERCED!
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I guess no one can explain how it says that the Messiah would come FIRST as a suffering servant than as a reigning king..or the fact that he would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey..doyou really think the messiah will do that when he comes now? I highly doub it, or the big one that we would pierce his hands and feet, Funny but anyone with a brain and who's honest could see that you couldnt do that unless he came into the flesh ! if he didnt come you woudl still have to be sacraficing animals !
In my opinion, ridiculous commentators like shabbatbeliever [Sic], obviously have no desire to place themselves under the authority of the Torah Sages of Israel, and should be banned from this conversation string for that reason alone.
Additionally, sh...tbeliever has soared so far into the realm of the ridiculous - to attempt to prove his nonsensical, and blatantly erroneous claims - that it should be obvious that he has no interest in being intellectually honest.
CLEARLY you feel threatened because shabbat believer tells the truth...who are we supposed to follow Torah or man? You follow man made rules, which is in istself a violation of Torah, you do not understand Torah and you dont wish to know the truth..your stuck in your arrogant self righteous ways! Shabbat believe has prooved you wrong over and over again! You cant argue the truth, you are making a fool out of yourself
If you do NOT feel threatened by my polemics condemning your blasphemous [pagan] Greco-Roman [Xtn] religion, yet you condemn me, then why would you think that I felt threatened?
If one person rebutting the argument of another is "proof" of that individual feeling threatened - as you assert - then you must feel very very threatened.
There is a day coming when all of us will be judged, and the Holy One of Israel will decide who was correct.
Until then, believe what you want to, remain confident if you wish, but it will be the goyim who will eventually beg Jews to be allowed to come to Zion to worship our G-d, (Zechariah 8:23).
In the meantime, like unwanted graffiti on a wall, I think your comments should be removed.
Whether you like them or not, Rabbis are not pagans. Paganism usually means polytheistic idolatry. Judaism has no polytheism and it certainly has no idolatry.
Excuse me I did not mean pagan rabbi's, I worded it wrong. You cannot find the word "rabbi" in the whole Tanakh. The word rabbi originated with the rebel named Akiva. It has everything to do with certain people who want to "control" other people. There is nothing scriptural about being called rabbi. It is not in the Torah. We follow Torah and not man made traditons. Be Blessed in our Mashiach Yahushua. The privious comment was not mine, someone else was on my account
where did man change scripture, exactly? I'm not going to get into this debate about echad vs. yachid, since i'm no expert on hebrew. Though people I know who are experts on hebrew think that what you believe about echad is foolish, so i'll go with them.
This whole discussion belongs in my trinity video, anyways.. : /
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It must be most troubling for Jews that their word of choice (yachid) to describe Elohim's oneness is never actually used in the Bible. They should give up their 2000 year old rebellious temper tantrum and become believers in Yahushua! Then they could use Bible words to describe the one true Elohim!
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The Talmud was written either by Judah the Prince (135-219 A.D.) or as late as the 9th century A.D. The important point, is that the Talmud did not exist before about 200 AD.
A man named Moses Maimonides who lived in the 12th century AD, was Jewish Rabbi and philosopher who compiled a creed with 13 articles. In this creed, the word yachid is used, instead of echad: "I believe with a perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His name, is an absolute one [yachid]".
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ohh and I dont believe in "jc" I believe in Yahushua meaning Yahuah is our salvation! You dont know your torah clearly or else you would see Yahushua is Maschiach! Unless your eyes are blinded right now to the truth! jesus means hail zeus...and I believe in Yahushua the messiah the one who kept torah and taught others to do so! if your gonna debate, at least have something to backyourself up, but oh wait you cant..because what Im saying is the truth, and there is only ONE truth!
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wow how truly ignorant you are..tell me it is prophecized that Yahweh will have his hands and feet pierced, how can that happen if he doesnt come in the flesh, besides the fact in Bereshit it says let us make man in OUR image! ya keep up ignoring the facts, it also says you will recognize the one whome you've pierced! and dont worry, many jews in israel DO believe in Yahushua, but they believe in secret, and their waiting for the right time to come out!
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Our image=2 beings:One Elohim. The "heavenly hosts" are created beings also, so they are NOT doing the creating! Only Elohim( G_d) creates and He did say let US... in OUR image. Echad=PLURAL fpr One like a man cleaves to his wife and become ONE=ECHAD. Yahushua did the creating as ordered from The FATHER
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I answererd your question, "echad" means a union of 2 or more, "yachid" means the "ONLY" one, in Scriptures it says "echad" not "yachid", you didn't answer my question, look it up in your dictionary 'echad'= a plural form, it means -2 people or 1 million people as ONE UNITY.
Your [mis]understanding of Hebrew grammar and/or word usage is hideous!
Would you please list which widely accepted Hebrew-English dictionary solely DEFINES the transliterated Hebrew word, echad, as two or more of anything?
The Hebrew word "echad" is equivalent to the English word, "one". Here are a few examples, of how the DEFINITION of "echad" is determined CONTEXTUALLY by the usage of the term:
1) Echad [one] banana
2) Echad [one] bunch of (X number) of bananas.
3) Echad [one] goat for a sin offering, (Num 28:22).
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"echad"simply means "one", exactly like our English word"one", as in one team, one couple,etc.like in a compound unity. The 12th century Moses Maimonides asserted that the Jewish people must believe that G_d is "yachid" or "only"one. But that's not what the Shema means. Just like G_d instructs Moses in Ex.36:13, he had to join the many pieces of the tabernacle together so that it will be "one" or "echad", there are MANY components, but one unified tabernacle!
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Ohhh and just so you know Yahshua( not "jesus") in the new testament says do not ADD or SUBTRACT from the law...and he kept the law perfectly...but he didnt follow silly man made rabbinical rules either like the pharisees! and the new testament if you study it , does NOT do away with the old, it points back to the old!
Sadly, millions of little Xtn children born around the world each year, are indoctrinated with cute little pagan lies about Tooth Fairies, Santa Claus, and that bunnies in the Spring lay eggs. Consequently, they are programmed from birth to believe utter nonsense.
Naturally, this preprogramming paves the way for another lie, which is, that the G-d of Israel can somehow become human [Sic].
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sadly millions of christians have been deceived, christianity is pagan they teach nothing but lies. Yahushua did not start a new religion he keep Torah sadly millions of children are told lies xmiss, easter etc. but manny people are starting to see the truth and coming out of christianity and coming into the truth. Sadly it is the same for Judaism their children are also told lies come out of her man made lies accept Mashiach, follow Torah and live a righteous life. Shalom
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clearly some people in here simply just can't handle the truth....the evidence is overwhelming that Yahushua is Messiah! and he came to be sacraficed lamb for our sins. apprantly ppl have too much pride to accept when they've been prooving wrong and then stooping to insults...you would expet that from a six year old But i bet these are grown man acting in such a manner. How truly sad and pathetic!
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wow, you glansed at the "B'rit Chadasha" and you found a few verses that mentioned snakes and then you made a comment like that . You know, this shows your intelligence and I don't think it's something to be proud of. Keep on babbeling and uttering stupid comments like that, your ignorance will get the better end of you, you are stuck in your pagan "talmudic kabala-hocus pocus"witchcraft traditions. Get out of your box and LEARN something for a change !!!!
Sorry, but we just don't want what you've got to sell. Maybe Muslim YouTubers will be more responsive to your fables. After all, they believe in JC too.
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Sorry but you do not know your Scriptures ,eighter one of you, by the way it's not "my" new testament and if you DID know Scriptures it's called a "renewed Covenant" given to Israel, that's how much YOU know. Unfortunately there is no sense of arguing any further, you are stuck to your "manmade" Talmud . We just have to agree to disagree. Like I said there are HUNDREDS of Messianic Prophecies that point to Yahushua (not jesus, that is a pagan name ) as THE Messiah. I'll prove you wrong any time!
Okay, you have tried to "save our souls" [Sic], and we have told you to get lost, because we aren't in the market for snake oil. Now run along, and get together with your other pagan Xtn friends, so you can have fun talking funny, drinking lots of bad koolaid, and handling lots of snakes, (Mark 16:17-20).
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Well if Isaiah is not clear enough for you there are a couple hundred more prophecies about Yahushua as the One true Messiah. For example read Zech 12: 10-13- one of the oldest Jewish interpretations of this passage, found in the Talmud, refers to the death of Messiah ben Joseph, the suffering Messiah
Zech.14:1-5 YHWH Himself will come down to earth. And on that day they will look upon Him whom they pierced, on that day the Son of Elohim RETURNS to earth
Unfortunately, jesus is nothing like Messiah ben yosef, sorry. How about you quote the 'prophecies' that your 'new testament' does, and read the context. You'll soon find your new testament to be quite unreliable.
It's not like we haven't heard all of this crap before. Consequently, I do not have much patience for Xtn apologists like yourself, but I would like to finish up with the following thought.
Although I cannot speak for all Jews - as I am not the Chief Rabbi of YouTube - then I would like to kindly ask you to please give my portion of your Xtn love, and missionary outreach, to the nearest Muslim that you can find. * Maybe you could take a trip to Afghanistan and preach there?
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You don't read your Scriptures very well. Isaiah 49:1-7: the servant of Elohim would first be rejected by His own people, Israel, BEFORE bringing salvation to the nations as proclaimed by YHWH Himself in v.6
Is. 50: 4-10, the Servant of YHWH, most defenately an INDIVIDUAL, would suffer rejection and beating. This is how the Servant describes His sufferings. v.6 describes ACCURATELY some of the sufferings by Yahushua because of His OBEDIENCE to Elohim!
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The Messiah, the righteous servant of Elohim fulfills the destiny of His people AND nation. In His triumph, Israel triumphs, in His obedience, Israel-along with the nations-becomes obedient, read Isaiah 52: 13-53:12 in context! If it is not the Messiah then Isaiah prophecied falsely, since the glorious salvation and deliverance did not come to pass! If it is Messianic then we see how the Messiah-a Jew, an Israelite, one of His own people- enables Israel to fulfill its calling
That is exactly what He is going to do when He comes back, if you read your Scriptures right He came as a "suffering SERVANT" and the 2nd coming He will come back as a "reigning KING"
Elohim, the only Saviour uses whom He will to save His people. The prayer for the Davidic Messiah in the Amidah talks about waiting for Elohim's Salvation to come TROUGH His Messiah, the literally called" the horn of salvation". In fact , the footnote to this benediction in the Artscroll Sidur reads: "Here we are that the ultimate salvation of the Jewish people is possible ONLY through the Davidic Messiah" !! I hope you understand what this means, He had to send somebody= Yahushuah!
You completely misunderstand that. By salvation of the jewish people, it is meant that they will be redeemed from exile. There will be a proper jewish state, meaning king temple all of that. This is only possible through the messiah. Jesus didn't do it, and he therefore is not the messiah.
wow , I cant believe you think that way, first of all if you research the name jesus, its means hail zeus, there is powerful meaning in Yahushua, secondly, Yahushua himself said do not ADD or SUBTRACT from the law, why is it you pick and chooseout of the bible? He came for a sacrafice for sins because we are all worthy of death but through Yahushua we have forgivness, sayng the law is done away with is greasy grace...Yahushua himself never said it was done away wiht, we should follow his example
That is upto the Almighty to judge, we are not to judge. People did the best they could to uphold Torah. But Yahushua was sent down by His Father to take ALL sin upon Him so that He Himself became the Sacrifice because the blood of lambs and bulls could NEVER atone for sins commited willfully Numb.15:22-31, the guilt would remain on him! This now is taken care off by our Creator by sending His Son down to earth "in the flesh" to be that Sacrifice. Don't we have an awesome Elohim?
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(continued) He's the only one who could be properly substituted for mankind because He is God in the flesh, and God is sinless. Only God Himself is a pure enough sacrifice to satisfy His holy justice, for all men have sinned.
Isaiah 53:5 is fulfilled in 1 Peter 2:24.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
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The Bible declares that mankind must have a blood sacrifice to substitute penalty for their sins by placing them on the sacrifice. The sacrifice has to be blameless, else the punishment could not be substituted, since the thing sacrificed would be dying for its own sins. Clean and spotless animals were once sacrificed as a temporal measure until a fully qualified sacrifice could be supplied at the proper time. Followers of Yeshua believe He was that perfect sacrifice.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
He came to restore the the lost sheep of the House of Israel. He came to unite the Northern and southern tribes back to unity. Because they were adulterous and put tradition in front of Written Torah he divorced them and promised to reunite them in the end. Since the seed of Jacob is so great on the earth it took time and only thru great tribulation both side will come to knowledge of His Son. The Christians are probably Ephriam. Both sides are adulterous nations currently.
paulgem123 2 years ago
@paulgem123 Right, to be a teacher.
So, for a karaite jew who keeps the law without the oral torah(which you don't believe in), what purpose is there in believing in him? It seems there's no purpose to believe in him.
And what about his "atoning death." It seems his death, then, had no purpose.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
It had a very significant purpose.
1) Deut. 24:1-5 a picture of Mashiyach divorcing his defiant bride ( House of Israel)
2) Jeremiah 3:6-8 Issued them a Ketuba.
He will scatter them because of disobedience, He will bring them back. He will make a new Renew the Covenant Jeremiah 31:31 Not with men that die and have to be replaced. As Y'shua said was his mission was Matthew 15:24 I am sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
paulgem123 2 years ago
Shalom, Everyone should follow Torah it was not just for Yahuda. Shemot 12:49 There is ONE Torah for the native born AND FOR THE STRANGER WHO SOJOURNS AMONG YOU' also Bemidbar 9:14. He died for our sins so that we no longer have to do animal sacrifices for sin he paid that price for us. He also came to show us not to follow the man made traditions just Torah. That is why Rabbi's don't like Yahushua because he did away with THEIR manmade traditions not with the Law itself.
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
It is not the rabbi's who say jesus did away with the law, but jesus' followers.
As far as shejmot 12:49 and bemivar 9:14, this is referring to converts.
And we currently have no sacrifice. So says scripture.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
Of course there is no sacrifice, Yahushua was the final sacrifice for sin and the true followers of Him follow Torah. The followers of jesus (christians) say that Torah was done away with they have been deceived for 2,000 years by the catholic church. Yahushua said if you love Me keep My commandments (Torah). He also said do not think I came to abolish the Torah. I pray for you my Jewish brother and for the Christians to accept the Jewish Mashiach Yahushua He died for you and me.
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
Scripture says that there would be a time of NO SACRIFICE(not a final sacrifice, no sacrifice) and during that time prayer and repentence would replace sacrifice.
Do not lower g-d to tihnk that he NEEDS sacrifice(or anything, for that matter) in order to forgive us of our sins.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
please do not refer to our Mashiach as jesus, please use his real name Yahushua. We all have a choice to make I guess you have made yours. I am not going to keep on with this, there are people who want to know the truth. Yahuah willing you will be one of them.
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
They don't like that name because it means something to Jews.
paulgem123 2 years ago
This is a very appropriate and valid question! You ask for our opinion and so I will offer it. I believe the written Torah is for all people. The Oral Torah was entrusted to the Jewish people/converts. The Messiah was slain at the foundation of the world for the cost of our transgression of the Torah. This however did not relieve us from serving each other through Mitzvot.
tactup 2 years ago
I just looked up an english-hebrew translation of the mishneh.
The second commandment is to acknowledge g-ds oneness, as it is written the lord our g-d, the lord is one. ECHAD, not yachid. Yet he still uses this word to assume g-ds oneness.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
The kabbalist Jews understand the oneness as I describe it as I do. There is not two person co-equal co-eternal as Christians teach.
paulgem123 2 years ago
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Keep up the good work shabbat believer, dont ever give up sharing the Truth!
yelleke888 2 years ago
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and Just so you know the New testament does not do away with the old , its just commentary on the old..christians like to twist the scripture and say it does away with it but it most certainly doesnt! you ignore all the messianic prophecies and I feel sorry for you and your ignorant rabbis that deny Yahushua as Maschiach because when he returns you WILL RECOGNIZE THE ONE WHOM YOUVE PIERCED!
yelleke888 2 years ago
Nor does the mishneh/talmud replace the old, it just teaches us how to follow torah.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
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I guess no one can explain how it says that the Messiah would come FIRST as a suffering servant than as a reigning king..or the fact that he would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey..doyou really think the messiah will do that when he comes now? I highly doub it, or the big one that we would pierce his hands and feet, Funny but anyone with a brain and who's honest could see that you couldnt do that unless he came into the flesh ! if he didnt come you woudl still have to be sacraficing animals !
yelleke888 2 years ago
Where does it say messiah would come first as a suffering servant, again?
And you will keep sacrificing animals when messiah comes, read your prophets.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
In my opinion, ridiculous commentators like shabbatbeliever [Sic], obviously have no desire to place themselves under the authority of the Torah Sages of Israel, and should be banned from this conversation string for that reason alone.
Additionally, sh...tbeliever has soared so far into the realm of the ridiculous - to attempt to prove his nonsensical, and blatantly erroneous claims - that it should be obvious that he has no interest in being intellectually honest.
Plz ban this Xtn blasphemer
tngoatee 2 years ago
CLEARLY you feel threatened because shabbat believer tells the truth...who are we supposed to follow Torah or man? You follow man made rules, which is in istself a violation of Torah, you do not understand Torah and you dont wish to know the truth..your stuck in your arrogant self righteous ways! Shabbat believe has prooved you wrong over and over again! You cant argue the truth, you are making a fool out of yourself
yelleke888 2 years ago
yelleke888:
And what of your reaction to my comments... Are you feeling threatened?
tngoatee 2 years ago
not the slightest little bit!
yelleke888 2 years ago
yelleke888:
If you do NOT feel threatened by my polemics condemning your blasphemous [pagan] Greco-Roman [Xtn] religion, yet you condemn me, then why would you think that I felt threatened?
tngoatee 2 years ago
yelleke888:
If one person rebutting the argument of another is "proof" of that individual feeling threatened - as you assert - then you must feel very very threatened.
tngoatee 2 years ago
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shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
sh...tbeliever:
There is a day coming when all of us will be judged, and the Holy One of Israel will decide who was correct.
Until then, believe what you want to, remain confident if you wish, but it will be the goyim who will eventually beg Jews to be allowed to come to Zion to worship our G-d, (Zechariah 8:23).
In the meantime, like unwanted graffiti on a wall, I think your comments should be removed.
tngoatee 2 years ago 2
Whether you like them or not, Rabbis are not pagans. Paganism usually means polytheistic idolatry. Judaism has no polytheism and it certainly has no idolatry.
redcommander27 2 years ago
Excuse me I did not mean pagan rabbi's, I worded it wrong. You cannot find the word "rabbi" in the whole Tanakh. The word rabbi originated with the rebel named Akiva. It has everything to do with certain people who want to "control" other people. There is nothing scriptural about being called rabbi. It is not in the Torah. We follow Torah and not man made traditons. Be Blessed in our Mashiach Yahushua. The privious comment was not mine, someone else was on my account
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
Okay, thank you for clarifying.
redcommander27 2 years ago
jesus accepted being called rabbi.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
Reminding you the the 70 elders were not set apart as Moses. Only Moses went up to meet with YHWH. It has not changed.
paulgem123 2 years ago
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My point is that "man" changed the Scriptures, they have taken out words and replaced it with other words, a direct violation of Torah!!
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
where did man change scripture, exactly? I'm not going to get into this debate about echad vs. yachid, since i'm no expert on hebrew. Though people I know who are experts on hebrew think that what you believe about echad is foolish, so i'll go with them.
This whole discussion belongs in my trinity video, anyways.. : /
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
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well I guess we just have to agree to disagree, one thing though I do not believe in the trinity eighter and I am NOT a christian.
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
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It must be most troubling for Jews that their word of choice (yachid) to describe Elohim's oneness is never actually used in the Bible. They should give up their 2000 year old rebellious temper tantrum and become believers in Yahushua! Then they could use Bible words to describe the one true Elohim!
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
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The Talmud was written either by Judah the Prince (135-219 A.D.) or as late as the 9th century A.D. The important point, is that the Talmud did not exist before about 200 AD.
A man named Moses Maimonides who lived in the 12th century AD, was Jewish Rabbi and philosopher who compiled a creed with 13 articles. In this creed, the word yachid is used, instead of echad: "I believe with a perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His name, is an absolute one [yachid]".
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
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Yahushua is the TRUTH, Your videos dont make any sense!
yelleke888 2 years ago
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ohh and I dont believe in "jc" I believe in Yahushua meaning Yahuah is our salvation! You dont know your torah clearly or else you would see Yahushua is Maschiach! Unless your eyes are blinded right now to the truth! jesus means hail zeus...and I believe in Yahushua the messiah the one who kept torah and taught others to do so! if your gonna debate, at least have something to backyourself up, but oh wait you cant..because what Im saying is the truth, and there is only ONE truth!
yelleke888 2 years ago
and you don't have it. watch some of my other videos, for instance the ones on jesus' geneology and new testament misquotes.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
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wow how truly ignorant you are..tell me it is prophecized that Yahweh will have his hands and feet pierced, how can that happen if he doesnt come in the flesh, besides the fact in Bereshit it says let us make man in OUR image! ya keep up ignoring the facts, it also says you will recognize the one whome you've pierced! and dont worry, many jews in israel DO believe in Yahushua, but they believe in secret, and their waiting for the right time to come out!
yelleke888 2 years ago
Our image, meaning the heavenly hosts and the spirits that represent the various non-physical concepts.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
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Our image=2 beings:One Elohim. The "heavenly hosts" are created beings also, so they are NOT doing the creating! Only Elohim( G_d) creates and He did say let US... in OUR image. Echad=PLURAL fpr One like a man cleaves to his wife and become ONE=ECHAD. Yahushua did the creating as ordered from The FATHER
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
I don't feel like responding to most of your comment, but echad certainly isn't plural.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
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ask any rabbi, if he is educated enough he will tell you it IS plural!
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
Only christians teach that, sorry.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
Sha...believer:
Question: If you have "echad" (one) chairs, how many chairs do you have?
tngoatee 2 years ago
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if a man and a woman come together and they become one flesh="echad" how many people do you have?
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
sh...believer:
You have two people who have joined their lives together in a symbolic act of love - which hopefully will also produce offspring.
Now answer my question please, and also, how many ribs did the Creator remove from Adam to create Chava?
tngoatee 2 years ago
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I answererd your question, "echad" means a union of 2 or more, "yachid" means the "ONLY" one, in Scriptures it says "echad" not "yachid", you didn't answer my question, look it up in your dictionary 'echad'= a plural form, it means -2 people or 1 million people as ONE UNITY.
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
sh...believer:
Your [mis]understanding of Hebrew grammar and/or word usage is hideous!
Would you please list which widely accepted Hebrew-English dictionary solely DEFINES the transliterated Hebrew word, echad, as two or more of anything?
(contd - pt 1)
tngoatee 2 years ago
(contd - pt 2)
The Hebrew word "echad" is equivalent to the English word, "one". Here are a few examples, of how the DEFINITION of "echad" is determined CONTEXTUALLY by the usage of the term:
1) Echad [one] banana
2) Echad [one] bunch of (X number) of bananas.
3) Echad [one] goat for a sin offering, (Num 28:22).
3) One G-d. [see Deu 6:4, Deu 32:39, Mal 2:10]
4) One group of gods, i.e., more than one god. * A pagan concept, alien to the Tanakh, and/or the corpus of Torah.
tngoatee 2 years ago
Y'shua is ONE with YHWH. The kabbala teachers understand this better. Maybe not Y'shua but the explanation of ONENESS like no other.
paulgem123 2 years ago
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"echad"simply means "one", exactly like our English word"one", as in one team, one couple,etc.like in a compound unity. The 12th century Moses Maimonides asserted that the Jewish people must believe that G_d is "yachid" or "only"one. But that's not what the Shema means. Just like G_d instructs Moses in Ex.36:13, he had to join the many pieces of the tabernacle together so that it will be "one" or "echad", there are MANY components, but one unified tabernacle!
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
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Ohhh and just so you know Yahshua( not "jesus") in the new testament says do not ADD or SUBTRACT from the law...and he kept the law perfectly...but he didnt follow silly man made rabbinical rules either like the pharisees! and the new testament if you study it , does NOT do away with the old, it points back to the old!
yelleke888 3 years ago
yelleke888:
Sadly, millions of little Xtn children born around the world each year, are indoctrinated with cute little pagan lies about Tooth Fairies, Santa Claus, and that bunnies in the Spring lay eggs. Consequently, they are programmed from birth to believe utter nonsense.
Naturally, this preprogramming paves the way for another lie, which is, that the G-d of Israel can somehow become human [Sic].
For the intellectually honest only:
simpletoremember ( . ) com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/
tngoatee 2 years ago
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sadly millions of christians have been deceived, christianity is pagan they teach nothing but lies. Yahushua did not start a new religion he keep Torah sadly millions of children are told lies xmiss, easter etc. but manny people are starting to see the truth and coming out of christianity and coming into the truth. Sadly it is the same for Judaism their children are also told lies come out of her man made lies accept Mashiach, follow Torah and live a righteous life. Shalom
shabbatbeliever 2 years ago
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clearly some people in here simply just can't handle the truth....the evidence is overwhelming that Yahushua is Messiah! and he came to be sacraficed lamb for our sins. apprantly ppl have too much pride to accept when they've been prooving wrong and then stooping to insults...you would expet that from a six year old But i bet these are grown man acting in such a manner. How truly sad and pathetic!
yelleke888 3 years ago
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wow, you glansed at the "B'rit Chadasha" and you found a few verses that mentioned snakes and then you made a comment like that . You know, this shows your intelligence and I don't think it's something to be proud of. Keep on babbeling and uttering stupid comments like that, your ignorance will get the better end of you, you are stuck in your pagan "talmudic kabala-hocus pocus"witchcraft traditions. Get out of your box and LEARN something for a change !!!!
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
shabbatbeliever:
Sorry, but we just don't want what you've got to sell. Maybe Muslim YouTubers will be more responsive to your fables. After all, they believe in JC too.
tngoatee 2 years ago
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Sorry but you do not know your Scriptures ,eighter one of you, by the way it's not "my" new testament and if you DID know Scriptures it's called a "renewed Covenant" given to Israel, that's how much YOU know. Unfortunately there is no sense of arguing any further, you are stuck to your "manmade" Talmud . We just have to agree to disagree. Like I said there are HUNDREDS of Messianic Prophecies that point to Yahushua (not jesus, that is a pagan name ) as THE Messiah. I'll prove you wrong any time!
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
shabbatbeliever:
Okay, you have tried to "save our souls" [Sic], and we have told you to get lost, because we aren't in the market for snake oil. Now run along, and get together with your other pagan Xtn friends, so you can have fun talking funny, drinking lots of bad koolaid, and handling lots of snakes, (Mark 16:17-20).
tngoatee 3 years ago
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Well if Isaiah is not clear enough for you there are a couple hundred more prophecies about Yahushua as the One true Messiah. For example read Zech 12: 10-13- one of the oldest Jewish interpretations of this passage, found in the Talmud, refers to the death of Messiah ben Joseph, the suffering Messiah
Zech.14:1-5 YHWH Himself will come down to earth. And on that day they will look upon Him whom they pierced, on that day the Son of Elohim RETURNS to earth
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
Unfortunately, jesus is nothing like Messiah ben yosef, sorry. How about you quote the 'prophecies' that your 'new testament' does, and read the context. You'll soon find your new testament to be quite unreliable.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
shabbatbeliever:
It's not like we haven't heard all of this crap before. Consequently, I do not have much patience for Xtn apologists like yourself, but I would like to finish up with the following thought.
Although I cannot speak for all Jews - as I am not the Chief Rabbi of YouTube - then I would like to kindly ask you to please give my portion of your Xtn love, and missionary outreach, to the nearest Muslim that you can find. * Maybe you could take a trip to Afghanistan and preach there?
tngoatee 3 years ago
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You don't read your Scriptures very well. Isaiah 49:1-7: the servant of Elohim would first be rejected by His own people, Israel, BEFORE bringing salvation to the nations as proclaimed by YHWH Himself in v.6
Is. 50: 4-10, the Servant of YHWH, most defenately an INDIVIDUAL, would suffer rejection and beating. This is how the Servant describes His sufferings. v.6 describes ACCURATELY some of the sufferings by Yahushua because of His OBEDIENCE to Elohim!
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
Ok, if you want to assert that when Isaiah says Israel he means the messiah, that is your call. I'll take Isaiah at his word.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
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The Messiah, the righteous servant of Elohim fulfills the destiny of His people AND nation. In His triumph, Israel triumphs, in His obedience, Israel-along with the nations-becomes obedient, read Isaiah 52: 13-53:12 in context! If it is not the Messiah then Isaiah prophecied falsely, since the glorious salvation and deliverance did not come to pass! If it is Messianic then we see how the Messiah-a Jew, an Israelite, one of His own people- enables Israel to fulfill its calling
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
That is exactly what He is going to do when He comes back, if you read your Scriptures right He came as a "suffering SERVANT" and the 2nd coming He will come back as a "reigning KING"
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
Israel is the suffering servant, not the messiah.
see Isa_41:8-9, Isa_44:1-2, Isa_44:21, Isa_45:4, Isa_48:20, Isa_49:3
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
Elohim, the only Saviour uses whom He will to save His people. The prayer for the Davidic Messiah in the Amidah talks about waiting for Elohim's Salvation to come TROUGH His Messiah, the literally called" the horn of salvation". In fact , the footnote to this benediction in the Artscroll Sidur reads: "Here we are that the ultimate salvation of the Jewish people is possible ONLY through the Davidic Messiah" !! I hope you understand what this means, He had to send somebody= Yahushuah!
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
You completely misunderstand that. By salvation of the jewish people, it is meant that they will be redeemed from exile. There will be a proper jewish state, meaning king temple all of that. This is only possible through the messiah. Jesus didn't do it, and he therefore is not the messiah.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
wow , I cant believe you think that way, first of all if you research the name jesus, its means hail zeus, there is powerful meaning in Yahushua, secondly, Yahushua himself said do not ADD or SUBTRACT from the law, why is it you pick and chooseout of the bible? He came for a sacrafice for sins because we are all worthy of death but through Yahushua we have forgivness, sayng the law is done away with is greasy grace...Yahushua himself never said it was done away wiht, we should follow his example
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
Hey trust me I agree with you on the torah not being done away with. My beliefs are that of orthodox judaism, so trust me that's not what I believe.
Anyways, if we are only saved through Yahushua how were people saved prior to him?
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
issue of Yahushua being a sacrifice for sin.
youtube adress /watch?v=sKGWbyLvK7s
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
That is upto the Almighty to judge, we are not to judge. People did the best they could to uphold Torah. But Yahushua was sent down by His Father to take ALL sin upon Him so that He Himself became the Sacrifice because the blood of lambs and bulls could NEVER atone for sins commited willfully Numb.15:22-31, the guilt would remain on him! This now is taken care off by our Creator by sending His Son down to earth "in the flesh" to be that Sacrifice. Don't we have an awesome Elohim?
shabbatbeliever 3 years ago
Yes, one that is powerful enough to forgive sins without the shedding of blood.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
shabbatbeliever:
Wow, I can't believe you think that way either. Do some research at the following Jewish websites, if you actually want to learn that is:
- messiahtruth ( . ) com/blood ( . ) html
- simpletoremember ( . ) com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/
tngoatee 3 years ago
BS"D
Keep up the good work. Yasher koach!
tngoatee 3 years ago