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  • God damn... I'm a full grown adult, and I just watched Land Before Time the other day. I cried like a fucking baby. I could not stop crying for the longest time. Tears were even starting to emerge while watching this video. Land Before Time wins hands down.

  • definitely the lion king

  • They are all so sad.

  • They are all really sad but the saddest thing is LBT even sadder is my BFF s parents were murdered in front of her and her little sister no joke

  • They're all equal. Why? Cause they're fucking all amazing movies. Guess it's time to throw my old vhs player and tapes back in my room. Wonder if it still works.

  • cried at all 3 they're all ridiculously upsetting for childrens films :(

  • I want to give all 3 a big hug! By the way,real men cry!!!

  • i'm torn between simba and little foot

  • Oh god I just cried like a bitch watching this video. :|

  • bambie made me cry for 1 houre it was sad enough i liked her

  • @Theatrdude blame too*

  • It's the way that Littlefoot says "Mother? Mother?" that gets me every single time. James Horner is to blame to for his beautiful music score.

  • I watched LBT first time in ages the other day, and it was sad the death, but you didnt really get to know his mother that well, and I honestly, dont no how she died, she seemed fine :s, Bambi... I have only seen that once, but I remember he doesnt mention his mother after, well he does but it's not mentioned, and it'sof screen so not to sad, The lion king, is my all time fave disney movie!!!! and it's so sad, not when he dies, but when Simba finds him dead, and then the whole film is amazing !

  • @kirstyleanneriordan Littlefoot's mom died from bite wounds that were inflicted when she was battling Sharptooth. He bit her twice; the first bite tore out a chunk of her back and the second one gashed her neck.

  • @Devotedlamb19 oh yes,I watched it again, just then, and now I realise, thanks xxx

  • Bambi looses,the other two tie

    Sure you can say what you will about LBT,but we hardly even know Littlefoot's Mother,and honestly you kinda know it's gonna happen. Mufasa on the other hand dies right after telling Simba they'll be pals forever.

    On the other hand,Littlefoot's Mother got her back torn out to save not just Littlefoot,but Cera and tried dearly to hold on even after that earthquake and those last words.

  • i cant pick there all sad as each other

  • Land before time hands down. Little Foot watched his mom get her BACK TORN OUT. Yeah SImba felt responsible but he was tricked into going by his uncle Scar. Little foot had the god awful bad luck of running off from home on his own by his own choice. Then for his mom to just die and he is left all alone, friends abandoning him (Simba got Timone and Pumba at least) and Bambi got his father right away. Who did Little foot have? No one ;_;

  • @VisionsEnchanted Ducky,Petrie,Spike,and perhaps Cera

  • @Warriorcats64 not until later on he didn't. And they all abandoned him, not to mention Cera gets away with insulting Little Foots mother. Bambis friends were loyal to the end and so were Simbas.

  • all three win, obviously; it's the same theme of a child losing their parent in a traumatic way. since the question is which is the saddest, it's really a matter of acquaintance and nostalgic value. I've seen bambi and the lion kin a few times each, but I've seen the land before time over a thousand. I can't sit through the scene without becoming a faucet; I can't even think about it without a heavy feeling in my throat. it's so sad :(

  • :'(:'(:'( at the end i was in tears

  • Bambi is sad but it's the least sad. It's a true tie between the land before time and lion king. Littlefoot literally watched his mom die that's enough to rip your heart out but, I think lion king takes the cake when Simba tries to wake Mufasa that's heartbreaking

  • Everyone's said it already, but I'll say it again, I think Land Before Time is the saddest because Littlefoot saw it for one, and secondly she spoke to him afterwards so he still thought she was fine. It's kind of like the sad things from both of the others got meshed together, even as a 20 year old male I still can't watch it through without tearing up. And the worst thing is the rest of the movie is also very depressing, I'd rank it alongside Titanic or Glory as one of the saddest movies ever

  • @GilliganKrueger0829 I totally agree. Land Before Time is probably the most gruesome dinosaur movie I've ever seen, much more than any jurassic park movies. This film's G rating is probably MPAA's biggest mistake ever made.

  • I'd say Land Before time is worst, just because the next 20 minutes of the film are given over to Littlefoot's grief. Bambi never addresses the issue after this scene again (the famous "tralalala" transition), and pretty soon after Mufasa dies, Timon and Pumbaa come thundering in for comic relief. Littlefoot... he blames himself, some old dinosaur has to say it's not his fault, he stops eating, he thinks he sees her shadow, he hears her voice on the wind... The film gives his grief so much time!

  • Damn it. Littlefoot's mom! WHY!!! 

  • mufasa's death was worse for me ToT lion king wins

  • TLBT is sooo sad, cos he's talking to her wile she's dying :/ .... The lion King is sad, Just seeing Simba cry and he saw his dad fall to his death and when he's telling he's dad to get up, and Bambi's is sad cos he thought he's mom wasbehind him, when she wasent :( ... They areee allll sosad.

  • The Lion King wins !!! So sad... But Land before time is really sad aswell, I didnt really find Bambi that sad....

  • For me it is a toss up between Bambi and Littlefoot as both tug at the heart strings Bambi with his joy of having escaped from the hunters and going out to search for his mum when she isn't behind him looking and looking snow coming down think and hard. Then suddenly complete silence and just the Great Prince simply saying "Your mother can't be with you any more" then him dropping his head lifting it and this big fat tear rolling down his face.

    Then there is Littlefoot his mother had just sav

  • man, when simba says dad? come get up, we gotta go home. that gets me everytime

  • i have never cried more than when i watched littlefoots mom die...its just so powerful, makes me think about if i lost my mom :(

  • Bambi is the only one that makes me cry.... I vote Bambi.

  • Mufasa's death and Littlefoot's mom's dying words still get me to this day. Bambi's mum's death was no less tragic, but to hear any child begging their parent to get up, not quite able to comprehend what's happened yet....it's heartbreaking.

  • These are all "great moments" but honestly

    Bambi's mother died because of a drunk huntsman.

    Mufasa's died because of some stupid gnus

    When Littlefoot mother died FIGHTING A FUCKING T-REX , epic momy is epic. If your cried while watching Land Before Time, your childhood was AWESOME.

  • the LBFT death was deffinately the saddest. no enough emotion in bambis moms death to make me cry. sorta sniffle for mufasa, but the death of littlefoots mom always chokes me up ;~;

  • @chemicandbb no, mufasas death is the saddest it always makes me sad & hes my fave character

  • I've never seen Bambi(yeah I know) but that scene is very sad. IMO its Littlefoots mother& Bambi's mother are very close, but I'm gonna have to say the saddest one out of these is Littlefoots Mother :'( I LOVE The Lion King, but the death scene isn't really sad for me what is sad is Simba seeing his father dead though :'(

  • I cried at the end of littlefoots moms death

  • @sonicwinx77 I always cry watching TLBT when Littlefoot's mother dies :'(

  • mufasa was the saddest death! he was my favorite character! i was kinda sad when littlefoots mom died but bambis mom wasnt seen in the movie, so i think mufasas death was the saddest, littlefoots mom was the 2nd saddest & i didnt think bambis moms death was very sad cuz we didnt see it! mufasas death was the saddest :'(

  • Holy Cow! Never realized it before but Bambi and Littlefoot calling for their mothers are accompanied with VERY similar music!

  • They're all too sad in my opinion to choose which one is the saddest. All of those children were caught up in and exposed to suffering due to greed that is in this world (Scar wanting to be king, Bambi's mother shot by poachers, the t-rex wanting food) and i think that's what makes them all so sad; that these vulnerable children who should be enjoying life are exposed to these sort of things at such young ages.

    Great video, thanks for putting it up. It has inspired me to rewatch them all :)

  • I'm a 17 year old guy and I cried during all of these but most of all with Littlefoot's mother when she died :'(

  • i have 2 pick mufasas death as the saddest :'( he was an amazing dad & 1 of my fave characters! his death was the most depressing

  • I have to go with The Land Before Time. Bambi's was pretty sad, but I didn't cry. The Lion King's was a sad one too, just when Simba started calling for help, then tearing up. But TLBT was very emotional because how the "If We hold On together" background really catches the scene of Littlefoot's mom about to die. I cried when Littlefoot had to be on his own without her. :'(

  • @maryann2573 I agree w/ you

  • It's gotta be either Lion King or Land Before Time. The way Simba curls up next to Mufasa always gets me, and the way Littlefoot is so confused on what to do after (and when he thinks he sees her again but it's just his shadow...ugh). Plus, the music in both are just so amazing.

  • SOOO DEPRESSING. I don't really cry at sad movies, but that was just heart-breaking. I say "The Land Before Time" because, though Bambi is alone for a while, his father soon comes to him. And Simba is scared off by his uncle before it gets too sad (plus he sorta represses what happened until he's an adult). We actually see Little Foot go through the phases of his grief, including a point of depression where he seems to give up on living.

    That's just my view; thumbs up if you agree please.

  • Who cares about "betrayal" or "guilt tripping" when one of your parents is dead/dying in front of you? Yeah Bambi could have been sadder if they had extended the scene a bit more, but it's still sad (especially with the music). Lion King is really sad, but yeah, i think the music is a bit too "epic", not subtle like Bambi or Dumbo. LBT, yeah, sad as hell. Just watching Little Foot climb up to his mother is dreadful and gutwrenching.

  • I honestly think it was Bambi. Yeah, it was off screen, but the other two already knew what happened. Bambi didn't see his mother get killed, and he had to be told what happened from his dad. I think one of the worst things in the world would be hearing someone tell you your parent is dead. At least the other two didn't have to come to terms with it out loud.

  • @restlesslaughter Bambi may not have known what happened to his mother initially, but Simba and Littlefoot were just kids like Bambi and like you said, they saw their parents die (and like Bambi's mother, the deaths were violent) which would be much more traumatizing on a child than merely being told that one or both of their parents are dead.

  • @Devotedlamb19 Well, all of that could be from Bambi's perspective too. No one knew what was going on in his head, he knew there was danger, and when he saw that he wasn't behind her, he could've automatically thought she was dead, but didn't want to believe it so he searched for her. Then he had to hear out loud that she was dead. Which I think makes it worse.

  • @restlesslaughter I doubt that highly. He knew there was danger because his mother told him to keep running and not look back. He was focused on doing what she told him and so probably didn't even hear the gunshot. He didn't assume she was dead when he saw that she wasn't behind him, because if he had, he wouldn't have searched for her at all because it would've been useless or if he was in denial, his search would've been much more frantic than what was shown.

  • @Devotedlamb19 Okay, I REAAALLY don't care that much...so you can shut up now. lol.

  • @restlesslaughter Well, you obviously cared enough to respond to me in the first place, so don't get mad when I reply back. And since this is my video, I will not shut up. It's not like you could make me anyway.

  • @restlesslaughter Simba and Littlefoot may have already known that their parents were dead/dying, but that foreknowledge made the situations worse because as the video clips showed, both were initially in denial about what was happening because they didn't want to believe that the ones they were closest to wouldn't be there anymore.

  • TBH. My order of saddness would be, The Lion King, The Land Before Time, Bambi. The reasons, In TLK it saddens me inside, during the scene where Mufasa struggles to save Simba and himself, knowing one of them was going to die, plus TLK is such a classic. The Land Before Time, yes I agree Littlefoots mothers death is sad and he becomes very sad and angry later on, but as you can see, in all the sequels, it's almost as if nothing ever happened. Bambi, sure it was sad, but it was off screen.

  • @ForgottenTactic Actually, Littlefoot's Mother is referenced in several of the later films but Littlefoot has gotten over grieving for her and the other characters don't mention her because they didn't know who she was. Besides, it's not like her death has to be mentioned every time she's brought up.

  • two words ...... "lion king" done.

  • i guess it just bases on every individual opinion. im not saying mines correct. im just expressing my opinion and why it gets to me so hard

  • all 3 are sad but i gotta go with The Lion King! its sad how scar tricked simba and used him to set a trap for Mufasa and in the end, hurt an entire civilization by killing mufasa and even worse how he made simba feel guilty and ran him out. and even more sad is when simba is pulling on mufasas ear telling him "dad get up, we have to go home" and after hes done calling for help, his tears start rolling. im a guy 20 yrs old and that movie still gets to me hella bad every time i watch it! epic!!!

  • In addition, both Littlefoot and Simba are the pefect children. They both strongly believe that their parents are Gods, that nothing nor no one can hurt them and that they'll just bounce right back like a superhero. Bambi, just too understanding.

  • It's a strong decision between Simba and Littlefoot, but I'd had to go with LBT. Bambi is an absolute no. Yes, the death was saddening but there's no emotion apart from panic and then nothing, it's the music that sets the atmosphere; when the sad music starts you know something bad has happened.

  • i dont know so hard to decide but, im gonna go with LBT because it didnt really cheer up after that like the music didnt change to something more cheerful Like the Lion King at least which is my absoulute fav. movie of all time!

  • Like most people said... Land Before Time all the way!

    I sat at my computer and waited to cry. That moment came when Little Foot says "but why do I have to know, you're going to be with me."

    What's even more sad is the grieving after the death scene; Little Foot wanders around and can't eat or talk and even gets angry and asks the world why she had to die. It's absolutely heart-breaking when you see Little Foot licking his shadow thinking it's his mother and finds out it's not.

  • I just finished the loin king movies for the second time. :( i cried so much i could fill a bathtub.

  • @supern00b25 "Now this looks familiar. Where have I seen this before? Let me think. Oh yes. I remember." This same spelling mistake was on failbook. "The Loin King? What is that? A porno?" "Long live the king. *thrust*" :D

  • @justwatchinthevideos There is no thumbs up big enough.

  • Manly fucking tears

  • Here's My opinion:

    Little Foot's Mom's death is sadder because what follows after Bambi's mom and Mufasa die?

    .......

    We are greeted by birds singing about spring and two comic reliefs!

    Don't get me wrong, I love the Lion King...I just think it is silly to introduce a wise cracker mere cat and a stupid, gassy warthog literally five seconds after a guy who has been built up so much and has such an influence to the main character gets murdered! Plus LBT is in general a much sadder film.

  • You forgot Bruce Wayne...

  • Littlefoots all the way. it's just so emotional and it's not sudden like the others, and he sits there talking to her. I cry everytime I see it :'(

  • Biggest tearjerker:

    1) LBT

    2) Bambi

    3) LK

  • Land before time. Better lines and a small glace of hope she might make it. Then it gets crushed. :'(

  • Land before time

    Bambi

    Lion King

    If I were to be biased though I'd say Bambi because all the frigging singing in the other movies just killed the mood. Plus "Your mother can't be with you anymore." Imagine being on the receiving end of that 80

  • Mufasa's just lying around like a deadbeat Dad.

    "Damn it, Simba. Leave daddy alone. Daddy's been drinking."

  • This is the saddest thing on Youtube. Why did I watch this? TT^TT

  • Here's how mine goes:

    1.Lion King

    2. TLBT

    3.Bambi

    First off, Bambi didn't see his mother die, and after she does, the film seems to move along and never mentions her again. Simba sees his dad fall, and little foot actually watches his mother die right in front of him! The reason I put TLK 1st is because Simba is guilttripped into thinking it was his fault and then has to leave home because of it. Also, TLK just affects me more and I feel much sadder when I watch it, also it's my second favou

  • Yes!! 2 people agree with me land before time is the saddest!

  • @ShadowTHFan13 I agree too. TLBT was a bit more tragic because Little Foot had to actually witness his mother dying slowly before his eyes. Not only that, but earlier he even had to witness the Sharptooth tear off a chunk of her back during the fight.

  • @Ketsuname oh, yeah I for got about that part!

  • 1. Lion King,

    2. Land Before Time,

    3. Bambi.

  • Oh my God, Mufasa GET UP! WHAT ARE DOING?! GET UP! PLEASE?!?

  • I'm sorry, but it's the Land Before Time. Bambi didn't really care the emotion like it should have. She died off screen and Bambi didn't have a chance to come to terms with it. Mufassa's death was too epic to be sad, but when Little foot's lack of comprehension of the matter is what really drives the scene and reveals how sad it is.

  • @BASSFZz Finally someone agrees with me!

  • @BASSFZzI say Mufasa because he was killed intentionally by Scar and doesn't realize his diabolism till it's too late, while Littlefoot and Bambi's mother were killed naturally and illegally. Out of the three main characters, I believe Simba's the youngest and was actually tricked. To add to that, Mufasa was also adored by all the good guys and his death not only made Simba sad, but all the other good guys all (except Timon and Pumbaa because they didn't know the full story) sad too.

  • @JParkL0v3r Illegally and naturally don't belong together. If anything, Mufasa was killed "illegally" while Bambi's and Littlefoot's moms' deaths were classic cases of predator vs. prey. That has nothing to do with the with what makes the scene the most emotionally impacting. For me, James Horner's score mixed with Littlefoot's unknowing of what is happening to his mother and Gabriel Damon's acting makes the scene more emotional.

  • @justwatchinthevideos When I say illegally and naturally I don't mean mixed. What I mean is that Littlefoot's mother was killed naturally because of the predator vs. prey thing and Bambi's mother was killed illegally because I believe it's only stags that are allowed to be hunted for sport. Mufasa on the other hand was killed intentionally and to me was classic because it made not only Simba sad and guilty, but also all the other good guys who adored Mufasa sad too.

  • @JParkL0v3r I disagree with Littlefoot's mother's death being the result of Predator vs Prey. Sharptooth wasn't after Mama Longneck, he was after Littlefoot and Cera. He only set his sights on her when she interfered with him getting his meal. After Littlefoot's mother knocks him down the second time, when he gets back up, he doesn't go after her, he goes after his original targets, Littlefoot and Cera. Sharptooth fought Mama Longneck because she was getting in the way of him eating.

  • @Devotedlamb19 Still predator vs prey. Longnecks are a part of Sharptooth's diet, thus making Littlefoot's mother the target prey. She would have provided more sustenance for a longer period of time. And actually he isn't chasing Cera and Littlefoot. It seemed to me he was going after something else as he ignored them even when they were at his feet.

  • @justwatchinthevideos But Sharptooth tried to snap them up when they were all falling into that chasm. Maybe he was just looking for any type of meal at that point, I don't know. It just seems to me that his fight with Littlefoot's mother wasn't because he was actively trying to eat her, but because #1, she hurt him (physically) and #2, she got in the way of him eating Littlefoot & Cera. Now, had he killed her in the ensuing battle, he probably would've eaten all three of them.

  • @Devotedlamb19 That was because they were right in his face. I guess It is all a matter of opinion and individual interpretation.

  • @JParkL0v3r So did Littlefoot's mother's death, too, made him feel guilty. He felt it was his fault for wandering off. And the whole "it made not only Simba sad and guilty, but also all the other good guys who adored Mufasa sad too" is because Mufasa was king of an entire pride, whereas it was just Littlefoot, his mom, and grandparents. Littlefoot's friends never met Littlefoot's mom due to the division of species, whereas everyone but Timon & Pumba were all lions and in a way, one big family.

  • @justwatchinthevideos true that

    but apart from the other lions (minus Scar of course), Zazu and Rafiki were also good guys who adored Mufasa and mourned to his death

  • @JParkL0v3r Forgot about them. But they were still friends with Mufasa prior to his death.

  • Hard pick.

  • Land Before Time's the saddest. ='(

  • bambi wins soooooooooooooooo sad

  • All deaths are very sad and they get me all the time. The loss of a love one is something that can be impossible to imagine.

    Their parents are heroes and they sacrificed their life to save their child.

    RIP ;(

  • Aww, Poor Bambi, Littlefoot and Simba. 3"X

  • im sorry but bambi! every time, its bambi!!! aww can u not remember your little self bawling!

  • Littlefoot's mom's death was the saddest. To actually speak to your own parent while they are dying is just heartwrenching.

  • @ShadowBenizakura yes i agree but littlefoot really get to me

    

  • Littlefoots mom cuz he says " yea, but why do I gotta know, your gonna be right here with me" he jus couldn't accept it :'(

  • What no 'I love you' from Littlefoot's mom? jk jk

    Mufasa's death was the only one that made me cry. When Simba says 'Daaaad!' it kills me :'(

  • Littlefoot's mom was the saddest, partly because of her last words, followed by Mufasa's death because Simba actually witnessed it. Bambi, though he lost his mother, didn't actually see the death nor were there any last words on her dying breath.

  • Cried like a baby on mufasas

  • @ticklefanatic well i.....have know idea lol

  • I seem to find Littlefoot's mothers death to be the saddest. Maybe it's just how they placed the scene and music and moment together so nicely compared to the suddenness of the other two. But that's my opinion I suppose. ;( And I thought that his mother died from the Earthshake, perhaps I should go rewatch this now ^^'

  • Bambi knows about his mother's death because one of the protagonists told him

    Littlfoot knows about his mother's death because he saw it happen (his mother slowly die)

    Simba knows about his father's death because one of the antagonists told him

    Connection?

  • @TheUnitedPikachus Simba knew Mufasa was dead, he saw him fall into the wildebeests, he was just in denial for a few minutes

  • i find Mufasa's death the saddest. But not by much. They are all tragic

  • Lion King is saddest because not only does simba WATCH his father die, he is made to feel personally responsible for it. But TLBT is a very very close second in my opinion

  • its about a ty with Littlefoot's mom and Simba's dad.... Bambi's mom no deer die all the time

  • Mufasas Death is the most traumatic. Why? because no one comes out from behind Littlefoot after is mothers demise and says "Littlefoot what have you done?"

  • Bambi= It didnt make me cry at all no tears even threatened me

    Lion King=it did make me tear up but only when Simba was calling for help then started crying and the music :)

    The land befire time= It made me cry the most so yeah, In my opinion Littlefoots mom death is the saddest

  • Land before time...it ALWAYS makes me cry it made my grandpa cry :( so Land before time won :,)

  • Land Before Time I think is the saddest, but all three scenes are pretty heartbreaking.

  • land before time scene hands down. HANDS DOWN. the lion king scene is pretty good but it's missing one thing that the land before time has - the dying conversation. just put yourself in littlefoot's place. you hear pain in her voice. something frightening starts to sink in when you see her collapse helplessly. you know whats happening, but you're just a kid, and you dont want to believe it. then she asks you, "Dear sweet Littlefoot, do you remember the way to the Great Valley?"

  • the land before time scene gets me every time :'(

  • I think Mufasa's is the saddest. Hans Zimmer's music makes it even more so. But James Horner's music for TLBT is more touching.

  • mufasa's death is the saddest, the music makes it sadder

  • Its Mufasa, definitly. Because he was betrayed, Liitlefoots mom was just a victim of the natural order of thing.

  • Aw! These are all tragic moments! T^T Thanks for putting these heart touching moments together for us.

  • This concept is actually really amusing, although the argument is valid as it's one I've gotten into plenty of times. I think Littlefoot's mom's death is the saddest because you WATCH her die, she has her last words and the music...oh my god, James Horner's score alone brings me to tears. I've gotta say it's Littlefoot, Lion King is a close second and Bambi is a close third. Of course, I still cry during all three death scenes.

  • @Devotedlamb19 Littlefoots mother was also very injured because of the earthquakes.

  • @92af The earthquake probably exasperated her injuries, but it didn't cause her wounds. The T-Rex is what injured her (he bit her twice; once on the back and once on the neck) and it was because of those injuries that she died, due to blood loss and trauma.

  • @Devotedlamb19 there is also one other thing I know it is only cartoon but you know that the Tyrannosaurus Rex could not jump or climb in reality, and that the Apatosaurus went extinct over 80 millions of years before the Tyrannosaurus Rex even existed

  • @92af Yes, but like you said, it's a cartoon, and cartoons have creative license.

  • @Devotedlamb19 nice video and i'm just curious when Littlefoot lost his mom does he know that he has a dad?

  • @MysticGirlRider881 No. As far as he knew, his family consisted of his mother and his grandparents.

  • @Devotedlamb19 I see and was there a movie called The Land Before Time The Great Migration where Littlefoot finally meets his Dad?

  • @MysticGirlRider881 Yes, you're correct.

  • @MysticGirlRider881 thanx and how did Littlefoot react when he saw his dad?

  • @MysticGirlRider881 At first, Littlefoot ran off (thinking his dad had abandoned him) but after hearing the explanation, Littlefoot accepts his father into his life.

  • @Devotedlamb19 i see

  • @MysticGirlRider881

    Did Don Bluth make Land Before Time with the intention of Littlefoot having a father?

    .....sure doesn't seem like it lol

  • @chinchychilla He probably didn't, but then again, Bluth was only there for the first film.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    That's exactly my point. He wasn't there for the sequels. Which means the sequels aren't the same work. It'd be like if someone painted a sequel to the Mona Lisa, where she's mooning everyone. Most people would say that painting shouldn't be considered at all when considering the artistic merit of the original painting.

  • @chinchychilla In the case of TLBT, as a franchise, the sequels use the same characters, the same setting and the same name is attached to all of the movies (as well as the TV show) so therefore, they are considered all a part of the same big product. Bluth may not have been there for the sequels, but as far as copyright is concerned, the sequels as well as the original movie are the same thing at the core: a Land Before Time product.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    Again, I refer you to the example I used with the Mona Lisa.

  • @chinchychilla The law recognizes TLBT sequels and the original movie as all a part of the same product because it's considered a franchise and that's because movies, TV shows, games and books can branch out into different media but depict the same thing. It's all connected. Paintings and sculptures may have similar content, but no relation to each other. Derivative works based on the Mona Lisa have no connection to the original other than looks so they're considered different.

  • @chinchychilla An example would be two sculptures of Zeus by two different people. They depict the same person, but what does one sculpture have to do with the other besides being of the same guy? Nothing. They're not the same work. Pokemon on the other hand, in all its forms, uses the same characters (mostly), the same settings, and the same framework. It's copyrighted under the same company, so it's all considered a part of the same product. Same with TLBT.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    So if the law considers two seperate works of art (though the sequels can barely be considered art) that were made by completely different people to be in the same universe, that means they are? Why? Shouldn't the original artist's merit be the only thing effecting the original peice of artwork? Are you really going to let someone else's half-assed attempts to make money taint a work of art?

  • @chinchychilla The reason it's that way is because copyright can only be in one person or entity's name. Bluth, Spielberg and Lucas made the original film, but they don't own the copyright to the series, Universal Studios does and they decide who directs the films. The director decides what goes into the film. Roy Allen Smith directed movies 2-5 and he decided to make the films into cheesy musicals and the law gives him that right. The studio went along with it because it was kid-friendly.

  • @chinchychilla What Roy Allen Smith did with movies 2-5 set a standard that seems to be working still so the studio kept it. Other directors of the other films followed the same path Allen did because the studio saw a successful formula in making TLBT films into kid-friendly musicals and it's stuck ever since.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    Wait, wait, wait, are you saying that just because someone holds a copyright, that means that their version of a story is the correct version?

    Uh, sorry, I'm not buying that and I never will.

    Again, stop judging the artistic merit of the first movie by the mistakes of people who had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the first movie.

  • @chinchychilla I'm not saying that what Universal did with the sequels was GOOD, because I think that in comparison with the original, the other LBT films fall very short in terms of quality. But since Universal owns the copyright to the series, they decide how the films should be made. And I'm not judging the artistic merits of the original movie at all. I loved the first movie and think it's the best one. I was simply explaining why the sequels are considered part of TLBT under the law.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    And I'm saying that just because the law considers the sequels to be part of the same universe doesn't mean that we, the audience, also have to. It doesn't mean that the creator of the TLBT universe has to, either.

  • @chinchychilla We certainly don't have to accept the sequels as worthy representations of the vision of TLBT that Bluth had or consider them as equals to the original film, but factually and legally, the original film, all the sequels, and the TV series are part of the same fictional universe. As for Bluth, he completely disassociated himself with TLBT after the first film and probably doesn't like what the series has turned into. I don't either.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    Dude, it's all fiction. You're allowed to believe what you want about it. No legal document can force you to hold to whatever some studio says happened after the story. That's part of what makes fiction so good.

  • @chinchychilla Actually, even fiction has rules and one of those is canon. Certainly no one can force me to accept what they think happened after a series has concluded because that's all conjecture, but what a TV show or movie or book documents as truth within a fictional universe is pretty much set in stone. For example, I can believe that character A called character B in between episodes of a TV show because it's open-ended, but if I see A fight B, I can't say it isn't true since I saw it.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    The difference there is that usually, television shows are made by the same person from start to finish. Television shows also rarely have gaping plot holes between episodes that completely invalidate meaningful events that happened previously.

  • @chinchychilla

    Again, legalities don't have any say in how a particular fictional universe is. The creator of that universe does.

    If Universal wants to milk The Land Before time, fine. But the universe they created because of it is not the same one that was portrayed in the original Land Before Time.

  • @chinchychilla I think you mean that the universe in the sequels doesn't have the same atmosphere as the original Land Before Time. The original movie was darker, more realistic and had real character development and raw emotion. The sequels lack most of that in spades. But as far as the physical setting of the series, the characters, and the overall theme (which is chronicling the adventures of Littlefoot and his friends), it's the same universe and those aspects are what copyright looks at.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    I'm referring to a lot of things. Firstly, the landscape in the original is incredibly apocalyptic, however the landscape in most of the sequels, even outside the valley, is lush or swampy. Second, characters in the sequels act as if they've been in the valley for generations, however in the original, the valley is a legend. Third, the original says the Valley is almost impossible to get in or out of, but every sequel I saw has multiple characters going in and out of the Valley.

  • @chinchychilla

    These are plot holes that would only be explained in one way:

    The "Land Before Time" universe that we see in the sequels is not the same one we see in the original. It shares characters and settings with the original, but it's clearly not the same.

    Hell, how many DC universes are there that all share the same characters and settings?

  • @chinchychilla The difference in DC comics is that the creators have clearly established that there are different timelines and different universes. There is no such distinction in The Land Before Time. The status of the characters have changed from the original to the sequels so of course, details will be different, but different circumstances doesn't necessarily mean different universe.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    The creators of the specific storyline in DC comics point out that their story takes place in a different universe. But why does that need to be pointed out by the creator in order for it to be possible?

    Oh, and about the different circumstances thing, I refer you back to the second plot hole I pointed out, where the characters act and talk as if they've always been there when the original clearly shows that they haven't.

  • @chinchychilla Like I said, that's an example of bad writing.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    sorry, I didn't see your other post.

    Yeah, I kind of should expect it to remain desolate for a few years after an enormous, cataclysmic event occurs that pretty much turns the entire continent into a wasteland.

    Anyway, though, yes it is an example of bad writing. And bad writing shouldn't be able to taint good writing. And if those sequels take place in the same universe as the original, that's exactly what those sequels are doing.

  • @chinchychilla For a few years sure, but we have no idea how much time passed between the original film and the second film. It could've been enough time so that conditions on the Earth had improved. Anyway, I agree that the sequels (particularly after the sixth movie) have sullied the series as a whole, but people remember The Land Before Time for the original film, not any of the others or the TV series. For most LBT fans, the first film defines the whole series.

  • @Devotedlamb19

    We kind of do have an idea of how much time passed between movies. None of the young characters seem to age a single day, except for that purple trex from the second one, who grows to toddler-ish age by the fifth movie. This means that all 5 bajillion movies in the series take place within just a few years.

    And yeah, I generally say that crappy sequels and prequels should be ignored. Not only that, but there should be the possibility to write better stories to take their place.

  • @chinchychilla The sequels have no reason to retain the status of the valley as a legend since it's proven to be real in the first film, though I will admit that the characters acting as if they always lived there is bad writing. And I don't recall the original film ever saying that the valley was nearly impossible to get in or out of, only that the journey there was treacherous. As for the difference in landscape, time has passed between each movie so you can't expect it to remain desolate.