Atlas Shrugged - Hank Rearden talks to his brother Phillip

[MMODoubter]

With this philosophy, how do Randists excuse/explain providing for their children? They are leeches, after all.

[KillerQuillen]

@MMODoubter, thank you for your comment. Someone who shares Rand's philosophy of objectivist ethics would likely provide for their children out of choice. If someone places a high value on seeing that their children are provided for, then, in keeping with there value system, they will do what is nessasary to provide for their children. But I do like where you are going, by pointing out that the leeches of the world are much like children, in how they are dependent on the producers.

[MMODoubter]

@KillerQuillen LOL. I see what you did there. Well played.

I am saying that support for children is not technically rational. It is emotional, not pragmatic.

[KillerQuillen]

@MMODoubter ,lol, I think that it is completely rational to do and act in accordance with ones value system. No one is saying that emotions cannot play a role in developing what things are valued most to you, i.e. children. If someone doesn’t value taking care of their child and does it anyway then they are making a sacrifice, but if one does value taking care of their child and does it, they are doing so for their own self interest and are simply living up to their personal values.

[MMODoubter]

@KillerQuillen Ah, but Rand said that making emotional decisions is not being rational and objective.

From a pragmatic viewpoint, spending resources on offspring is irrational.

[KillerQuillen]

@MMODoubter, I think you are overlooking difference between allowing emotions to influnce your value system and making a decision base on emotions. Think about it, many time emotions can lead you into conflict with your value system and therefore should not be followed blindly. You may be emotionally compelled to quit your job but since you value your financial security you decide to keep it. One who is lead by emotions and not a value system is very dangerous and unperdictable.

[KillerQuillen]

@MMODoubter, you are right, from a stricly pragmatic viewpoint based on survival, spending those resources may be irrational, but that has nothing to do with Rand. Rand's philosophy does allows for placing values on none material matters; also it is not simply a philosophy of making decisions based on survival, rather her philosophy is about taking personal control for your life and living it to the fullest without pretending to feel guilty for doing so. right to ones own life

[KillerQuillen]

Jonathanlippe, Great comment. Best one so far.

[jonathanlippe]

Phillip would be at OWS with the rest of the looters.

[Benny209]

You should do more of these

[KillerQuillen]

@Benny209 thanks Benny, I did this when the service was free. I am afraid to make anymore because I did not get permission to do this from whoever owns the rights. I figured that if they wanted me to take it down they could just ask.

[Rayvok]

@KillerQuillen I think there business model requires people to see videos like this on youtube and then they get more traffic resulting in x amount of people paying for the advanced contents on their site.

[mee123104]

Randian characters represented by robots...how apt.

[KillerQuillen]

@mee123104 Thanks for your comment; please explain what you mean by robots being a good representation of Rand's characters. Rand's characters make decisions based on their core values and reason.  Is that what you call robotic?

[KillerQuillen]

@daisyjbdcs , yes the movie was outstanding; can't wait to buy it. Is there any way to watch it online now?

[renatex20]

On Rand's novel and times, a Philip could have rise on his own through hard work, diligence, etc, and eventually become a Henry Rearden or a Galt. Go ask now a Mc Donalds or Walmart employee how many years would he need to work in order to start his own business. Go ask a kid on the third world to study harder when he is falling asleep on class because all he had since the day before was a cup of tea and a piece of bread...

[KillerQuillen]

@renatex20 Not all things can be done in one generation. That Walmart employee may have to settle for seeing his grandchildren having the opportunity to start a business like Hank. If one works for Walmart one can still raise up a doc or lawyer, thought this would be rare, because it would requires detailed planning. And if this Walmart employee’s grandchildren were raised by doctors or lawyers then they may be in a position to take advantage on a business oppertunity.

[renatex20]

On Rand's novel and times, a Philip could have rise on his own through hard work, dilligence, etc, and eventually become a Henry Rearden or a Galt. Go ask now a Mc Donalds or Wallmart employee how many years would he need to work in order to start his own business. Go ask a kid on the third world to study harder when he is falling asleep on class because all he had since the day before was a cup of tea and a piece of bread...

[MrJmazing1]

Go pick the job off of the bush...

[KillerQuillen]

@MrJmazing1 that's the best line

[Hiraghm]

I don't get this... we don't take chances here? What about the chance he took on Dagney Taggart, on Rearden Metal?

[KillerQuillen]

@Hiraghm Valid question, I understand the confusion. The difference is that the chance he took on Dagny and Rearden Medal are examples where an individual relied on their own reason. Hank is the kind of man that is willing to gamble on his own mind and ability.

[KillerQuillen]

@Hiraghm As for taking a chance on Phillip’s ability to work as a steal worker; what does he stand to gain is Phillip turns out to be able to do the job? He does not need Phillip to make the medal, it’s being made already, but it’s likely that Phillip will cost Hank money when he doesn’t perform the job correctly and ruins a heap of steel. Let me know if you still don’t see the distinction.

[Hiraghm]

@KillerQuillen - no difference. He didn't even know the metal *could* be made until he succeeded. Granted, he had no knowledge of dagny's character, unlike his brother, but he didn't know if she'd come through or not.

Steel workers are not born. They learn the craft by working their way up from the bottom. Every time you hire anyone, you're taking a chance.

[KillerQuillen]

@Hiraghm I think Hanks point is that no one is “entitled” to a chance to prove their value. Phillip does little to convince Hank that he would be of any use to him. As for Dagny, she has clearly demonstrated her competence in starting the John Galt Line and procuring the needed investors to fulfill her order. Hank, acting in his own self interest signs on as one of the investors. You bring up a good point for discussion, thank you for your post. Let me know if you agree with my reply.

[TheDissident77]

@Hiraghm -Exactly, one is. But the point is that 'YOU' are taking the chance based on your own best judgement and preconceptions and not forced to by the govt. or some social demogogery that you must substitute your mind for the 'need' of another. An objective man/woman doe not care for race, creed or color or gender, only the best minds to make the best products for the best profit.

[TheDissident77]

@Hiraghm -Exactly, one is. But the point is that 'YOU' are taking the chance based on your own best judgement and preconceptions and not forced to by the govt. or some social demogogery that you must substitute your mind for the 'need' of another. An objective man/woman doe not care for race, creed or color or gender, only the best minds to make the best products for the best profit. So Reardon used his best judgement on Dagny that they were of like minds and beliefs. So he trusted her to finish

[Congo900]

So hilarious I couldn't stop laughing such wit to create this cheers author

[KillerQuillen]

@Congo900 Thanks for watching. After reading Atlas Shrugged I thought it would be cool to create this scene. This is word for word from the book. This is my first youtube post and first time messing around with the free animation website. It only took a couple hours and I now have over 8K hits.

[angrydead]

It's very appropriate they use robots for this. since neither character is really human.

[KillerQuillen]

@angrydead

True, they are not real humans, you want to point this out because you are likely sympathetic to Phillips viewpoint. Similarly as a US Marine, when I watched the movie Jarhead, I was very upset about how they decided to cast Marines as a bunch of undisciplined idiots. I know liberals that have quoted that movie to support their view of the military.

[KillerQuillen]

@angrydead

My point is that they were not real humans either. My wife is a real human and just like Dagny. I am a real human and my wife tells me that I am just like Hank Reardon. Unfortunately, I meet many people that to me seem no different than Phillip. What say you?

[angrydead]

@KillerQuillen "What say you?" Nonsense and I'd watch your wife around other men if I where you.....if she's like Dagny she's one sick puppy.

[KillerQuillen]

@angrydead

Have you even read this book? If I remember correctly Dagny doesn't cheat on anyone and is not even married.

[angrydead]

@KillerQuillen Yes-it sucked. She slept around had little personal issue with adultary not to mention the whole rape thing.

[KillerQuillen]

@angrydead - Rape thing? I'm not saying you’re wrong but I don't remember a rape scene. As for sleeping around you are correct she should have remained pure until marriage, but remember were talking about humans not robots.

[TheBJKINSMAN]

@KillerQuillen Dominique Francon was "raped" by Howard Roark you got your Rand works mixed up. Dagney was never officially a partner to anyone in the book. She slept with three people in her life that's pretty good. Congratulations on your Dagney like wife.

[KillerQuillen]

@TheBJKINSMAN Yeah, you're right, (AngryDead) is talking about "the fountian head" I haven't read that book but I watched the movie years ago. In the movie I don't remember thinking it was rape though, I alway hear liberals claiming that it was rape. I'm pretty sure that this means AngryDead has not even read "Atlas Shrugged". This is hillarious, liberals are always claiming to have read "Atlas Shrugged" and we now have one on record who is obviously lying. click on the vid "Over Ayn Rand"

[TheBJKINSMAN]

@KillerQuillen Haha, yea...A lot of scholars think that Rand put the rape thing in that the movie kind of played down as a way to show how wrong the collective can be. At the time rape wasn't really a crime and Roark was a man who "took what he wanted." So...it's pretty graphic in the book but it is what it is. I like to consider myself a liberal but I think the only people who deserve the money of other's are the children living in shitty circumstances. Adult parasites can go as they may.

[KillerQuillen]

@TheBJKINSMAN Thanks for the post. You seem very reasonable for a liberal. Just kidding. A concept that I want to put forward. Government's power sould be limited to that which the individual has a right to, and votes to give to the Gov. If I have no right to take from my neighbor then I can not give that ability to the Gov by way of voting. Also, if you work hard to give your child an advantage, is it fair for the Gov to level the field? But, I do understand what you mean.

[TheDissident77]

@TheBJKINSMAN - But those children grow up with an entitlement mind-set too. Hence the growth and not decrease in the welfare system. the Culture of Poverty, philosophy of need breeds its own replacements, while it devours, lambasts and condemns the very society that feeds it.

[TumisHumis]

@TheDissident77 It needs to be ripped apart as viciously as it was put together, and i'll do everything in my power to make it happen.

[Burkhart4192]

What made this weird when I read it was that in a few scenes Hank give a boy who'd never trained at anything a job at his mill.

[notpcone]

Phillip the SPONGE

[KillerQuillen]

@notpcone Phillip the BIG GOVERNMENT LIBERAL

[SculptedThoughts]

@nicole5525 It is. The movie will be released next month on the fifteen.

[GregSidelnikov]

@nicole5525 If you look at the left hand side of this page... guess what you will see?

[fitzdraco]

With walkers success, and Missouri getting rid of child labor laws, and governors getting the right to discorporate towns and cities in order to privatize them we should be back to a new gilded age  in no time. I do hope I can get a job as a pinkerton, I'd love to bust some heads and get paid for it.

[mustang607]

Everyone is entitled to a job. And health care. And housing. And education. And a computer. Maybe that new iPad. Yea the government should force Steve Jobs to give everyone an iPad. After all, everyone is entitled to anything a government can steal, which is just about anything. Using this logic, no one should have to work.

[leeharveyosmosis]

@mustang607

Yeah fuck publicly subsidized education, the very thing which allowed millions of people to read Ayn Rand books so they could be smug little shits who forgot that they relied on public education which allowed them to read Ayn Rand books which made them smug little shits who forgot the years of public education which made them literate so they could read Ayn Rand books which made them smug little shits.

....ipads? Fuckin' spare me.

[gobbo53]

Can u do one for the speech?

[TaxSlaveRoark]

Awesome!

[MQBanker]

This is a great depiction of Ayn Rands book! Great story, everyone should read this. It's important and relevant to today's society in so many ways. Great job with the cartoon!