Zionism. As professed in its book. 32nd degree mason.
Don't feel bad other (amerikan) church founders were also.
and: Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Jack Kemp, Storm Thurmond, Colin Powell, Jesse Helms, Barry Goldwater, Al Gore and the list goes on and on ...
Be a cult boot-licker but at the least, KNOW THAT YOU ARE.
"LDS cult programming"??? Oh brother. I'm a convert to the LDS church and this is just soooo untrue! Just reading the description of this video makes me KNOW that these people do NOT know what they are talking about!! There is no "programming" in the church, and you can leave any time you want to, or becoming inactive, etc. I've been inactive and NOBODY has ever bugged me or anything! Everyone I've ever known in the Mormon church has been very nice and respectful!!
I'm stuck in Utah right now. Don't know how they believe this nonsense. Actually I do, the parents brainwash their children as soon as they are born. And the cycle continues.
Joseph Smith was a conman, a sexual deviant and a crook. Mormons can believe whatever they want without persecution, but they shouldn't claim to be Christian. They are NOT.
Really? YOu guys need to get over the propaganda and stop believing what you were taught by your youth pastor that was scorn by the Mormon girl in his youth and still holds a grudge...
@BeInnocuous " YOu guys need to get over the propaganda "
Yes propoganda! The Mormon Cult is Chief architect of propoganda.
How much propoganda I heard for two years in the local LDS ward. All completely whitewashed half lies and utter lies.
The LDS history begins with A Hat and a Garden Stone and claims to be able to find treasure this way. It later develops into tragedy for those who got suckered into it. Women were threatend with HELL into polygamously arranged sex to OLD cult leaders.
Thomas Ferguson "was" the founder of the Dept of Archaeology at BYU. After 20 years of research, he proclaimed: "The first myth... is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists... Mormonism is probably the best conceived myth-fraternity to which one can belong... Joseph Smith can be refuted, but why bother... It would be like wiping out placebos in medicine... when they do lots of good." This sums up Mormon denial perfectly! Deu 18:22 - Of false prophets... "thou shalt not be afraid of him."
@BeInnocuous " Let me guess... this is the only LDS archaeologist that you believe or give any credit to right?"
You don't sound very clever so stop trying to be. I'ce seeen right through Mormon claptrap. My channel developed as a result of being bullshitted by the church and it's deceptive lying CES system for two sad years.
Go and waste you own time and not others who have better things to do than swear to hand over everything to the LDS cult in a stupid Temple Masonic Circus.
Are you really that foolish? Tell us, what part of SisterSkeeba's statement isn't true? Be specific.... is is the part about Smith's many wives? That he married 14 year olds and other men's wives? That he stole the temple endowment from the Masons? Do tell... back up your attacks with specifics, or shut up.
Sorry loser, but all of those things are well-documented. You're the one who has no meaning... you're trapped in an obviously false church. Why else would less than .02% of the world's population be members? It's ridiculously false!
Yeah, no one cares about Mormons... that's why they're less than 0.2% of the world population. (Not to mention that's it's SOOO easy to see how false your cult is.)
Morals? Don't be stupid. Just because you (mistakenly) think you know the mind of a god, doesn't mean you have the right morals. And you don't. Instead, you're bigoted and self-righteous.
Look... you found a group of people that is smaller then yours...
I do not claim to know the mind of God... My morals are mine. I dont think i'm any more righteous then you. I dont care who you let bugger you... I'm not sure why you need my approval though...
Wow, again, you're showing off your stupidity. Having a soul and being an atheist are not mutually exclusive concepts. Are you just a kid and can't understand that concept... or just not very smart?
You said lost soul... so what is a lost soul to an atheist? Or are you just grasping for something to hurl at me?
Unlike you understanding of religion... I'm not moral because of my religion. I'm religious because I have morals. You just hate the fact that my morals include marriage is between a man and a woman.
No, you have no real morals. You believe in superstition. Your "morals" are based on fairy tales from a book that has god himself telling Moses how to buy slaves, and much worse things. True morals are grounded in logic and reason. If you had half a brain, you'd know that.
You have NO concept of what's factual! What an idiot!
You believe in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Those are books, idiot. You're a Mormon, that's a religion. So for you to claim your "morals" are not governed by a religion or a book is a bald-faced lie. Or you're delusional, take your pick.
It's not hypocritical nor deceptive, kiddo. You're just not smart enough to understand the concept. You miss the point every time.
Your morals are based in Christianity, which draws its teachings from the Bible. So as a Christian, your morals are based in the Bible and therefore, your religion. (The Bible does have historical evidences, but otherwise it's just Bronze Age fairy tales.)
At the other end of the spectrum, MY morals are based in logic & reason.
u either can not read or r just so bigoted u cant understand simple concepts. My morals r not based in Christianity they r my own
u don’t have much “logic & reason”
The OT people were under the Law. This means u urself paid for ur sins. Sin enslaved you to satan. God didnt approve or disapprove of slaves. He used them as an example of those outside the covenant being enslaved to satan. Notice that after we r free from the Law by the Atonement that no one is enslaved
Your interpretion of god and slaves is absolutely ridiculous. It's amazing the CRAP christians come up with to support their bigoted religion.
Slavery was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Your god can't be god, because a god would KNOW that slavery is wrong, then and always. When your god SPECIFICALLY tells Moses how to buy slaves, that's APPROVING of slavery.
You're so lost you don't even realize it. Pathetic.
You may want to stop posting. Your ignorance is so obvious that you embarass yourself every time.
You're probably trying to claim that slaves in the bible were really indentured servants. Bullcrap. Another overused lie from christians. The bible itself refutes that idea... they were property!
Bottom line: When your god SPECIFICALLY tells Moses how to buy slaves, that's APPROVING of slavery. That's wrong, so therefore, your god can't be the true god.
Oh, you are most certainly closed-minded! You're oblivious to the fact that your bible is no more the word of a god than the book of mormon is. You're unable to see thru the deception.
The Book of Mormon is false. There wasn't horses, cows, steel, wheat, etc. in the Americas at the time of the BofM. Yet Smith wrote those things into his book. FALSE, and obviously so.
Maybe you can answer this for me... it's about morals.
We all know that it's wrong to enslave another person. I think we could say this is an eternal truth, right?
Yet in Leviticus 25:44-46 God himself tells Moses how to buy & sell slaves! Why was it OK then, but not now? That means that your God was either wrong on slavery (& therefore not perfect), or the Bible is wrong... which is it?
Do morals change? According to scripture that you believe in, they do!
I started looking into the LDS history simply because I was fed up with it, fed up with the bishop trying to push my mother and myself into going back. I was shocked by the crap they seem to cover up, and if it wasn't for the information that is available online I'd still be caught in the cult! Got my letter confirming my name being removed from the records on the 15th Oct. And now I'm beginning my life again. Thanks for your videos and others who post the truth
@tattoodfreeek I'm a convert to the LDS church and I read all this stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the Church!! They aren't trying to "cover up" anything!!!
Prophet Joseph Smith never prtend to be free of sins. Prophets are human and also under the Tempters influence, even more that any other men. The Church has humans doing the work, we falter and commit errors,but the Lord is always manifesting in every good deed that comes though the brothers and sisters of our Church.If you cannot see the blessings and have seen only the faults, I feel sorry for you. At the face of your mistaken testimony I am giving my own:LDS Church is the work of God on earth
@MrManumona You are right to point out that we are all flawed. Even the prophets are flawed. But the question is; Do you see the word of God as flawed? Do you see the path that Jesus showed as not true? The problem is not that you follow flawed men, the problem is that you follow a flawed word in replacement of the true Word of Christ Jesus. If you wish to delve deeper into a friendly coversation about the true Jesus vs. the Mormon Jesus, then please message me. Respectfully...
@Here2ownU We see the path that the Savior showed to be true, we use the bible over anything else. The bible, which means many books, not a book that Christ left but a combination of several book from several of his followers... not all of them, and as many sacred writtings appear that were written under the Spirit's influence and from a Prophet, I will believe. They will go hand in hand with the bible anyway, one confirming the other. The BOM says more of Christ than anything else.
@ChadBav Thanks for your reply Chad. Just a question; Why did God punish mankind to work and toil when Adam and Eve at from the fruit of the tree of life? Was it not because they thought they would be like God? The entire Mormon faith is dedicated to the purpose of men becoming a God. The first sin of the Bible, is your faiths foundation. Mormons have fallen for the same lies the serpent told Eve. I hope you see the light.
@Here2ownU The Mormon faith is dedicated to the purpose of following Jesus Christ. Not to become some god or something like that. At least, that’s what I try to do, I do not try to compare myself to a God or think I am good enough to be one. Just a child of God and a servant of the Savior. Without Him our very existence would have no purpose, that is what Mormons believe. I am grateful that you are respectful in your posts, I hope you know our foundation has nothing to do with becoming a God
@ChadBav Chad, you are not being sincere. You and I both know that the Mormon faith holds to the belief that men become Gods. Your comment, "Not to become some god or something like that" is not consistent with Mormon theology. You are either unaware of your own doctorine or intentionally avoiding it.
@Here2ownU I am avoiding something taken way out of context by anti-mormons. Sure, I believe that through Christ and through following Him I can become more like Him and hopefully throughout eternity and a lot of time I can learn to be exactly like him, yeah its a goal to be like Christ for us. But that is not our foundation or anything of the sort, and what I said was what the church was entirely dedicated to, which is not to become a God. It is entirely dedicated to following Jesus Christ.
@Here2ownU If our desire to want to be like Christ, who yes is a God, is strange and wrong to you then so be it. My point is that that is not our main factor or key or doctrine or whatever. The purpose is to follow Christ, as I am sure it is in your Christian faith
@ChadBav It is one thing to desire to follow Christ and to be as much like him as possible. It's another to believe you can be exalted to the level of his throne. Quit practicing twistology. It's inherently dishonest. Doctorines & Covenant 19-22: They Shall be Gods. Doctorines of Salvation Vol 1 Pg 69-70; Those worthy become gods, Pgs 97-98 Exalted men become Gods. B.H. Roberts, "You shall be the same as our God". I could go on. You are blantely bearing false witness!
@Here2ownU Uhg... I am blantely telling you that this doctrine is not the center or foundation or our religion. I never said that we don't believe it, I said the faith is dedicated to the purpose of something else, not to this doctrine. My issue was that you made it out to be the number 1 thing we believe and focus on, or our foundation as you put it. It's not. Yes we believe it, does that make you happy? I never denied that. But our purpose and foundation is to follow Christ and to be happy.
@Here2ownU And like I said before; ' I believe that through Christ and through following Him I can become more like Him and hopefully throughout eternity and a lot of time I can learn to be exactly like Him...' Is this not a clear statement? I doubt God will want those in His presence to play a harp and sing all day for all eternity to Him, but to continue to learn of Christ and be more like Him... eternity is a long time, I believe it's possible. Please don't accuse me of bearing false witness.
@ChadBav Your opinion is secondary to the theology you follow. If you preach contrary to it, then you are bearing false witness. Please don't take it as insult, perhaps as guidance. I sense that you are idealistic about your faith and probably not fully aware of it's true teachings. Press deep into the bible and give the BofM a solid measure against it. They are not compatible. Pase look remember, Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of earth, he said no. So why would you take it?
@Here2ownU Are you assuming that I want to take all the kingdoms of the earth? I'm not sure how you got that from my statement of wanting to be like Christ...I'll try not to take offense, but I feel like that's pretty disrespectful. Also I told you that we do believe that we can become exalted and I never denied that, and did not preach contrary to that... I am very aware of the churches teachings, I like to focus on the most important things like the life of the Savior and how we can follow Him
@ChadBav Satan made Jesus an offer of all the kingdoms. Essentially, he offered Jesus an opportunity to be like God, to be a king of all kings. This is very much what the Mormon Church teaches. That you too will be a king of all kingdoms. If you are focused on the Savior, then follow his teachings. Rather you claim to follow Jesus while giving priority to the teachings of Joseph Smith. If this were not true, then why be LDS at all? Again, please press into the Bible. Put it first and only.
@Here2ownU Yeah well that is your opinion, Satan’s temptation was earthly and based on pride, to follow the Savior and His teachings and to want to be like Him are completely different. Sorry if someone in the church did something to offend you, I don't know why you dislike it so... I don't think anything I can say will help you realize we want to do what’s right and that we don't focus on this crazy stuff, but thanks for the chatting. Good luck on your endeavors!
@coolmusic888 Just to clarify. You are aware that this is a reference to men being "judges" or having authority over other men. He was speaking to the sanhedrin. This phrase was used when Moses appointed men to be in charge of disputes and refers to the authority given. Also, was used with Adam and Eve. Your eyes shall be opened and you shall be as gods, knowing good from evil. Remember, Adam and Eve were punished for seeking to be like God. I hope you affirming this. Best regards.
So are you denying that Jesus called us all gods (just because it is in psalms does not take away the meaning that Jesus gave it) and are you also denying verse 36 where Jesus denies the interpretation of the pharisees?
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
@ElderJoseph First Thing: You are desecrating the name you are usuing, you sign"ElderJoseph" that is inacceptable in relation to the blasphemies you are uttering.I am sorry, but I cannot answer any more to these kind of profane speaking.I will not answer to one who tries to desecrate a Prophet of God in such a way.I feel sorry fr you, because you certainly do not know what you are doing. There is no Mormon God, but The Father,The Son and tThe Holy Ghost.You must not play with that.
@MGMonasterio " You are desecrating the name you are usuing"
There is nothing to desecrate. The Mormon religion is a lying man made cult. And no God ever asked any DUMB Mormon Cult leader to represent him in any way.
Mormon Cult leaders are the biggest blasphemy and desecration to any creator. They were and are utter idiots.
They have obviously convinced you to believe their bullcrap! lol
"I will not answer to one who tries to desecrate a Prophet of God"
@GnatMinion That's pretty much it in a nutshell. God made man then man returned the favor. I think all religion makes God small and petty. That describes us, not God. We don't know what God is. I would like to think God is reflected in the depth of our humanity. How we treat one another. Kindness, decency, and fairness is a good place to start and is better than doctrines and dogmas that divide ppl and can lead to unspeakable acts which we have seen through out history.
Hey,I was a mormon too. I served a mission, married in the temple. I support you in leaving the church! Jesus taught us that any religion makes us unworthy, our governments take away your freedoms to live, and our money destroys friendships. It's still the same today people! Learn what the example of Jesus taught us. All those haters out there, please save your unkind remarks and learn how to love like Jesus taught you to do. Religion is just another mind control device so face the truth please
I am always stunned when I hear Americans saying that "they never heard of all those bad things" and that they were never taught. This is really an American thing cause I have heard them since I was an infant.
Anyway I am VERY happy that you found peace and answers somewhere else because in the end being LDS or Muslim or Catholic or whatever won't matter, what will matter for God is what we really mean to live in this life.
@SisterSkeeba I was not TAUGHT this. I was TOLD this. I love the fact that you don't believe me. Actually we had a brother in the first ward we attended too who had been a "franc-maçon".
I love how you don't believe me and how here around me people don't believe me when I tell them stories like yours.
@BeInnocuous " You don't have much knowledge in this topic..."
What kind of a lame ass type comment is that? I'l tell you what that is. It's a dumb cult recruit comment! Yes completely dumb.
You have people who have been stake presidents, mission presidents. people of 40 yrs service etc leaving the church because it's a lying cult and the best you can come up with is that?
You are so stupid and definately just right kind of recruit for the Mormon Cult. You sucker.
@b3nchable "a true mormon has a pure testimony that the church is true."
What you mean is a true Mormon will ignore the facts and shove their heads up their rears in denial. Enjoy being lied to in the name Of Latter Day Saints because thats all you are worth to the lying cult leaders. To them you are nothing but a bum on a seat and someone they can take 10% minimum in cash for as long as they can get away with it.
@SisterSkeeba Wow just because this guy believes in something you do not he has his head up his rear? And is in denial? What if this guy has only experienced the good and positive things that the church teaches and does, like faith in Jesus Christ, repentence, charity, honesty, respect, ...etc. Maybe he is ingorant, as many people are to many things, but don't assume he's some mormon. Try helping in a caring way, you might convince someone that mormons are bad. I assume you want to help, that is
2 thumbs up for Kay Brown. Folks can dispute over what is true and what is not, That discussion has been going on since Bible times. There were alot of questions that I had that they couldnt answer for me. I have decided not to go to any church, and I am a lot happier cleaning up horse poop on Sundays than sitting in some church for 3 hours every Sunday. Bets wishes to all, and the horses are happy knowing that I spend time with them instead of sitting in some stuffy church on Sunday.
Now if Kay Brown researched actual biblical history, she would also find that the bible is just as questionable a source of "spiritual truth" as the book of Mormon. The ancient Hebrews believed in and worshipped several gods and it wasn't until about 600 AD that the idea that there was only one god became doctrine. There isn't even any historical record of Jesus, in the ancient records of the Romans, or any other Middle Eastern nations, whereas there are ample record of other events.
What is suspect of this video is that the conversation they are having is being read form the cards in their hands. hmmm, noone can be trusted anywhere...whether in a church or out of a church. Each human being needs to be led to seek God personnally and not through other people. "Seek and you shall find"...people, quit looking to other people for spiritual guidance....seek it in your closets and let God lead you wherever he plans to, whether to a specific church or not that's his choice.
I got converted into the Church and im still an Atheists, see how stupid that sounds.
Biggest problem is when you have a problem what do they tell you to do? read the scripture, and look for the answer. So many things wrong...
Imagine, your being hunted by a bunch of people, and they tell you the above. The plan to salvation, from being saved away from your hunters is in a book written 220 yrs old book.
The LDS members are just brainwashed to believe, if not, told to.
@MaxBlight Well you have to talk with your inner self, make questions is not bad, do a research either. Then talk again with your inner self, be patience and continue asking to others and to god. Good friends will understand you.
We are not brainwashed, I think that is what people like to think about us to justify their unbelief.
@dorisfenella no, no you are. The moment you have been born on Earth (started during the bronze age), you have been brainwashed (or as I call it, plugged in the matrix) to believe that there is a God. And that the Bible is the prof that it is. The bible, has so much error, and its got so many info that just contradicts common sense.
The biggest of course is the old testament, but the argument of religious people is that, "that was back then", I disagree, because its still practiced today.
@dorisfenella The living prof is that you hate homosexuals, simply because it is stated in the old testament. How about the 10 commandments? isisnt it in the old commandments? Want me to point out the murder, rape and slavery in the bible?
This is the main reason why people like me hates religion:
- Forces people to do stuff (whether you know it or not)
- Separates people
- Advocates crime (as long as justified as "In the name of God")
@dorisfenella The bible states to live by the bible, and do everything in it. That means, if you see someone working on the sabbath, you must stone that person, and you should sell your daughter for 50 silver coins to the raper of her, and kill your child for cursing you (if your the father).
All you are doing is Cherry picking, but not even your own cherry picking, its your religious figure heads decision to tell you which to cherry pick, making him supposedly smarter and better than you.
Tithing - Give 10%, all nice and good, but at the end of the year, those who do not give there 10% are more likely humiliated, and pointed out (In some places, this policy has change). Members are "forced" by choice to do this, otherwise they wont get blessings, and apparently God gave them those 100%, and its fair to return 10%. This is unjustifiable, specially to the military personel members, to tell them "You didnt earn your pay, it was give to you" is just plain rude.
-Membership part B: If you leave the church, your family, former ward, and people who witnessed your conversion is alerted, and are told to stay away of you, and is told that you have left the church to sin.
Female: Somewhat forced to get married before 30, and are treated nothing more than "tools", for the sole purpose of bearing children. Hench the relief societies main duty is to organize activities
Priesthood part B: Talks with one another to point that there manly (stupid)
This are some of the points I pointed out to the members, they were first insulted (who wouldnt), but rash conversation is the only way to go, in order to make any realize how unrational there belief is. Also, I would like to point out the emphasis on "your choice", and "you must".
Im an Ex-Christian, my POV towards Atheism started the moment I read the holy books of Hinduism, Christianity (all), Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Norse, and Greek.
I'm not here to argue, but, as a member of the LDS church, I have come to find out my testimony today isn't what it was 10-15 years ago. I have experienced hardship, confusion, and unhappiness throughout my life as my testimony grew. It's so essential to start a testimony out with the basics of the gospel. Once that solid foundation is built, that is when you can build upon that testimony so that it will never falter.
@mjacobson7 I also wanted to point out that I don't know every thing about the gospel. In fact, there is quite a bit I don't understand. It doesn't bother me, because I am learning little by little, but my testimony stays firm. I served a 2-year church mission to Uruguay. I walked all through that little country teaching what I know to be true. I finally had the opportunity to go back to Uruguay and see those I taught, and I'm proud to say that the majority have stayed active in the church.
I feel bad that this women obviously never caught a full vibrant testimony of the truth. Maybe now that shes in her latter years, she'll take the time to apply what shes been taught her entire life. Its pitiful really.
@L1oNsD3N She found out the church of LDS is a lying crock. What don't you understand about that?
Mormon Testimonies are bullcrap, a type of self delusion. There are around 100 plus Mormon Sects and all have tetimonies of their own truths. They can't all be true and are in fact all wrong. Mindless Nonsense.
Warren Jeff's members have testimony that he is the Prophet of God and thats how he is able to sleep with multiple women in polygamy much like what Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did.
@SisterSkeeba Ah yes, this self delusion has apparently become an epidemic as 35,000 different denominations of Christianity, in the Americas alone, claim to be correct in their doctrine. According to your estimation not all of them can be true - and so are "in fact all wrong"?
Where does your faith confession fit in this mash of deception?
@L1oNsD3N The pitiful thing is how totally brainwashed, & mentally shut off, Mormonism makes their people. Look at page 41 of your Pearl of Great Price. Do U C figures 2 and 4? Do these look like men to you? Joseph said they were "King Pharaoh" and "Prince of Pharaoh". Now do some studying on the egyptian godesses Isis and Maat. You will find that the pictures of these godesses look just like the pictures on page 41 figures 2 & 4 of your "Pearl of Great Price". Read Isaiah 43:10,11 & 44:6-8,24.
@EdwardDiBello 14 million what? Growing Strong? Someone is pulling your leg and you are dumb enough to believe them. Thats what the real joke is on. It's on you.
I've seen those who get 'baptised'. They are simply duped and pressured by desperate missionaries and then run off afterwards. I know because I saw two years of that stupidity in the ward I atended.
Those figures in conference are meaningless drivel but used to keep you hoodwinked.
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved."
@EdwardDiBello Why do some of you LDS people talk utter BS? lol You can't be that dumb surely?
The LDS corporation is losing lots of members simply because it's a lying cult. How can you post such utter nonsensical denial of the Video and of people who quit the cult?
@scottwins2 What exactly don't they ever get right? Kay Brown has discovered the ROT like everyone esle who leaves the LDS corporation. Lies, deception, false history.
I was deceived for two years by this cult. It was shocking to discover the real history behinf the LDS corporation.
Sounds like they were cruising along doing well in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints then they gave into some temptation and THEN had to find something wrong with the Church to ease their guilt . May not be the case with everyone but I have seen it many times and usally that is the reason for people who were members to post this mess on youtube. Don't let the evil one fool you you can still repent . It's never too late .
@scottwins2 "These ladies don't have a clue, What world do they live on?"
You need to ask what world you think you are living on? lol LDS endowment is plageurised from Freemasonry. The Masonic five points of fellowship at the veil has been removed so you might not be old enough to remember it together with throat slitting re-enactment!
First of all the scripture given by this lady in Hebrews 1:1-2 is completely butchard by her interpretation. This scripture in no way says that Jesus was the last Prophet. It does However speak to the nature of God. We know Jesus was the express image of his father. It also tells us that Jesus became an heir to what his father had only after he died. The God of the bible did not only love those in Jeruselam but the whole world.
@linford3915 "First of all the scripture given by this lady in Hebrews 1:1-2 is completely butchard by her interpretation"
Hebrews1 "God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in TIME PAST unto the fathers by the prophets Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son."
Jesus himself said
LUke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were UNTIL John: from that time the gospel of the kingdom of God is preached, and every man entereth violently into it."
Drewskione?? In answer to your question why the LDS faith does not have crosses, is the faith focuses on the Garden of Gethsemane and what he did for us in taking our sins onto himself. It is there that he bled from every pore. The cross was the means in which he died, giving up his body, making it possible for him to overcome death. It is extremely important, and the LDS faith focuses not just on that act, but on the garden rather then focusing on the means in which he died.
At the 3:00 mark: "And there's only one thing that will keep us out of heaven, and that's refusing the remedy for our sin, and that's Jesus Christ." So, Latter-Day Saints are just trying too hard, or what? Even if the LDS church has many false doctrines, as long as we accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour then we'll make it to heaven anyway, right?
Congradulations to Kay. I'd say that she switched from one superstition to another but at least she's free of that whacky LDS church. It's a first step.
this is it i am i mormon i have seen and participated in the catholic church and i have christian friends and mormon just makes me feel happy it gives me joy god has helped me and i just know that it is real there is no dought you will be judged accordingly when god comes then you can ask him what ever you wish...i forgive you.
@kvnkev Good I'm glad you have found joy in the damage and pain your bullshit cult church has caused in the lives of millions of gay and lesbian people. Die and rot in hell you piece of mormon filth.
@kvnkev Your FAITH is more than just a feeling. I challenge you to look at the Mormons teaching plan of salvation. Jesus is never even mentioned once. Not once. Where in the bible does it say you can become your own GOD? Where. Ask why they never allowed blacks in the church till the eighties.
@kvnkev Ask why they insist on teaching your works and obedience to them will get you to heaven. Ask them why they have you get baptized repeatedly. Jesus said there is only ONE baptism. Let the Dead bury the Dead. Why get baptized for the dead? Faith is not about a feeling. It's about the truth. Have you questioned why the book of mormon directly conflicts with the bible? You mentioned being Catholic, you can ask any question about your faith and are encouraged to do so. Not so for mormons
The point of religion is to be an auxiliary source for people to be more social. A type of social that benefits all. The religious stories are all myths, but who cares. Mormons are awesome people, and I think the reason the church has to censor so much is because people are not prepared for it...like this woman. The truth is important, but it cannot dictate faith....other wise you might as well be Unitarian Universalist, which is fine too.
@drewskione SO, answer me this. Why doesn't any Mormon building have either a cross or a crucifix in or on them? If you truly believe Jesus died and rose for you and his salvation is real and he has paid the price with his blood for you. Why do you not have any crosses anywhere? I'm seriously wanting tio know this.
@crushfan76 Does it really matter? They act like Christians, and they say they are. That is enough for me. If you centre your life on the social teachings of Jesus, you are a Christian in my book. Whenever I'm with Mormons I never here them trash other Christians, but often when I'm with extreme evangelicals, they cannot help speaking out against Mormons. Grow up and accept diversity. Please resist focusing on the small things like Trinity vs Godhead or the process of Baptism.
@drewskione - a bit of information for you: Joseph Smith, the founder and author of of the Mormon scriptures, presents God as being an exalted man, who lived on some planet out in the universe, who earned the right to godhood by being faithful and doing good works. This is completely counter to everything that the Bible says about the person, nature and character of God. Therefore, Mormons are not Christian. It's in the doctrine -
@54v115"who earned the right to godhood by being faithful and doing good works. This is completely counter to everything that the Bible says about the person, nature and character of God." Matt 25:35-46 states that Christ will ask specifically about our actions as a precursor to entering His kingdom. It is perfectly in line with Bible, unless you choose to focus on one scripture at the expense of another. Christ opens the door, our actions tell Him if we are worthy to enter.
@54v115 Mormons are Anthropomorphic, that is what the Bible teaches, Plato and his philosopher friends helped corrupt the church so much the Sadducees and Pahasees came about,Constantine himself attached himself to the Christian faith because he believed in a Non Coporeal God. Christ was speaking of false gods and idolatry when he said he was Alfa and Omega. He was sure to use the Greek form to combat the philosophers. more at fairlds.org or lds.org
@54v115 Anthropomorpic is not a bible term, It is a fundemental teachig of the LDS Faith, See 13 Articles of Faith written by Joseph Smith 1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. They are seperate and disticnt, Christ Prayed to him in the Book of John, he addressed the Father, prayed and worshipped him. Joseph smith saw Christ standing on the right hand of God they were seperate. Visit fairlds.org if you need a deeper explanation
@scottwins2 - I'm no stranger to mormonism.. I was an elder for two and a half decades... If you want to sound convincing.. please explain precisely what it is you think you are saying... other readers would appreciate it I'm sure... thanks.
@scottwins2 I don't ask you for me Scott... you have to assume others are reading.... do you believe god is an exalted man who is right only for this earth?
@54v115 Please don't tell us what we believe, Christ is at the center of our lives in every way, how we see him is just different than you may see him. "I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
@scottwins2 - I could waste space by quoting false prophets too... I'm telling you WHAT YOUR CHURCH TELLS THE WORLD. If that upsets you, or conflicts with your idea of what lds doctrine is .. go knock on their door. Your Jesus Christ is not the Jesus Christ of the The Bible Canon. If you claim he is our spirit brother as does your church.. you are not Christian.
@54v115 Hmm, so in your determination any denomination proclaiming the divinity and centrality of Christ Jesus should strictly derive its tenets from Biblical sources. If that is criteria for Christian consideration then someone had better inform Trinitarians of your findings, as their philosophy of the triune God has yet to be uncovered within Biblical scripture. The fact remains that Constantine and his fourth century collaborators are the authors of that quandary.
@54v115 Study the philosophers, there contribution to the One God or the Devine who alwas existed and created man to entertain himself was started by your founder Plato, Augustine supported the views and Constantine became a Christian, since he sided with the philosophers that influenced the early church. Jesus had a body of flesh and bones and when he was ressurected. "Behold my hands and my feet that it is i, myself andle me and see for a spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have"
@scottwins2 - do you believe god is an exalted man who is right only for this earth? Are you Mormon? Or are you Christian? They are distinct and separate...
@54v115 Christianity today teaches the God of Plato The One, the Devine. I believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are all seperate but one in purpose. I pray to the same Father that Christ prayed to in my Mediators name Jesus. "I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation... and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved."
@scottwins2 - So you're a proponent of Mr Oakes (spelling?) of General Conference in saying the Greek Philosophies have twisted the idea, true nature of God which is exactly what your Mr Smith did. Mormons are the very people who adopted Greek philosophy, the Hellenised version of God brought on by Plato, and turned it into their own theology as Mormons made God a man, whose origin was a man and so on into ancestry, as will be to come.
@54v115 While we're on the subject of temporal and spiritual bodies, where in the Bible does scripture indicate that the risen Lord Christ Jesus shed his resurrected body as He ascended into Heaven? Please clarify this doctrinal position if you can.
@itsalltheory Before I look to address your enquiry in a credible way to you. can you first tell me if you are mormon or christian (which denomination), a believer in Christ or not. I ask because it has a baring upon the answer that may be acceptable to you.
Whether I'm an atheist, Calvinist, Seventh-Day Adventist, Mormon, or Agnostic is irrelevant, in any event I suspect your answer would remain the same.
the LDS are a cult
jayhawk88z 2 days ago
Zionism. As professed in its book. 32nd degree mason.
Don't feel bad other (amerikan) church founders were also.
and: Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Jack Kemp, Storm Thurmond, Colin Powell, Jesse Helms, Barry Goldwater, Al Gore and the list goes on and on ...
Be a cult boot-licker but at the least, KNOW THAT YOU ARE.
waterspindle 1 week ago
If you live in Florida and are a registered Republican , get out and vote for Gingrich, the Mormon Mitt is trying to legitimize their horrible cult
2002lees 3 weeks ago
@2002lees
How ignorant can people be?
BeInnocuous 3 weeks ago
ok
b3nchable 1 month ago
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"LDS cult programming"??? Oh brother. I'm a convert to the LDS church and this is just soooo untrue! Just reading the description of this video makes me KNOW that these people do NOT know what they are talking about!! There is no "programming" in the church, and you can leave any time you want to, or becoming inactive, etc. I've been inactive and NOBODY has ever bugged me or anything! Everyone I've ever known in the Mormon church has been very nice and respectful!!
cindybin2001 2 months ago
I'm stuck in Utah right now. Don't know how they believe this nonsense. Actually I do, the parents brainwash their children as soon as they are born. And the cycle continues.
Joseph Smith was a conman, a sexual deviant and a crook. Mormons can believe whatever they want without persecution, but they shouldn't claim to be Christian. They are NOT.
SemperBeer 2 months ago
@SemperBeer
Really? YOu guys need to get over the propaganda and stop believing what you were taught by your youth pastor that was scorn by the Mormon girl in his youth and still holds a grudge...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous " YOu guys need to get over the propaganda "
Yes propoganda! The Mormon Cult is Chief architect of propoganda.
How much propoganda I heard for two years in the local LDS ward. All completely whitewashed half lies and utter lies.
The LDS history begins with A Hat and a Garden Stone and claims to be able to find treasure this way. It later develops into tragedy for those who got suckered into it. Women were threatend with HELL into polygamously arranged sex to OLD cult leaders.
ElderJoseph 1 month ago
@ElderJoseph
Be honest about the whole truth... not just what you want to be truth...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
Thomas Ferguson "was" the founder of the Dept of Archaeology at BYU. After 20 years of research, he proclaimed: "The first myth... is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists... Mormonism is probably the best conceived myth-fraternity to which one can belong... Joseph Smith can be refuted, but why bother... It would be like wiping out placebos in medicine... when they do lots of good." This sums up Mormon denial perfectly! Deu 18:22 - Of false prophets... "thou shalt not be afraid of him."
koishooter 2 months ago
@koishooter
Let me guess... this is the only LDS archaeologist that you believe or give any credit to right?
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous " Let me guess... this is the only LDS archaeologist that you believe or give any credit to right?"
You don't sound very clever so stop trying to be. I'ce seeen right through Mormon claptrap. My channel developed as a result of being bullshitted by the church and it's deceptive lying CES system for two sad years.
Go and waste you own time and not others who have better things to do than swear to hand over everything to the LDS cult in a stupid Temple Masonic Circus.
ElderJoseph 1 month ago
@ElderJoseph
More basely claims from those that are scorn and act on hate....
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Are you really that foolish? Tell us, what part of SisterSkeeba's statement isn't true? Be specific.... is is the part about Smith's many wives? That he married 14 year olds and other men's wives? That he stole the temple endowment from the Masons? Do tell... back up your attacks with specifics, or shut up.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
Married and or sealed to more then one woman... this is a debatable issue... But There is nothing of an issue either way.
Endowment... so did Christ still the symbol of the serpent from satan as satan had it first?
Come up with something that has meaning... What are you going to say next... that Joseph is evil for lying about his wives?
Sorry but there is no substance to this video... There "just isn't"
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Sorry loser, but all of those things are well-documented. You're the one who has no meaning... you're trapped in an obviously false church. Why else would less than .02% of the world's population be members? It's ridiculously false!
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
.02%... I forgot... you don't believe that the gate is straight and the way is narrow... But wide and spacious like the nondenominational churches.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
"way is narrow"... Yet another stupid story that you have fallen for. Sad.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
If you are not religious... why do you have issues with people that are? I'm of the few... Good bye.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Why do you keep on quoting those silly fairy tales? They're useless.
I only take issue with religions when they interfere in the lives of others... and Moronism does.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
So you are gay and can not stand the fact that LDS like morals... Go be with your partner... no one cares...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Yeah, no one cares about Mormons... that's why they're less than 0.2% of the world population. (Not to mention that's it's SOOO easy to see how false your cult is.)
Morals? Don't be stupid. Just because you (mistakenly) think you know the mind of a god, doesn't mean you have the right morals. And you don't. Instead, you're bigoted and self-righteous.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
Look... you found a group of people that is smaller then yours...
I do not claim to know the mind of God... My morals are mine. I dont think i'm any more righteous then you. I dont care who you let bugger you... I'm not sure why you need my approval though...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Then stop trying to push your morals on other people. Silly kid.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
I'm not... stop getting butt hurt over people that have morals...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Yes you are. And you don't have morals. You only THINK you have morals. Poor lost soul.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
I'm not sure why you having no belief in a god would think i'm a poor lost soul?
I'm done with you. I'll leave you to your morals.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Wow, again, you're showing off your stupidity. Having a soul and being an atheist are not mutually exclusive concepts. Are you just a kid and can't understand that concept... or just not very smart?
You have no real morals.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
You said lost soul... so what is a lost soul to an atheist? Or are you just grasping for something to hurl at me?
Unlike you understanding of religion... I'm not moral because of my religion. I'm religious because I have morals. You just hate the fact that my morals include marriage is between a man and a woman.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
No, you have no real morals. You believe in superstition. Your "morals" are based on fairy tales from a book that has god himself telling Moses how to buy slaves, and much worse things. True morals are grounded in logic and reason. If you had half a brain, you'd know that.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
You can't read... Unlike you that can not separate faith or your personal belief with that is real and factual.
My morals are not governed by a religion or a book...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
You have NO concept of what's factual! What an idiot!
You believe in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Those are books, idiot. You're a Mormon, that's a religion. So for you to claim your "morals" are not governed by a religion or a book is a bald-faced lie. Or you're delusional, take your pick.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
Hypocrite... you claim to have morals yet are without a religion. I'm not sure why you think my morals are something i have because of my religion.
You are deceptive in your stance. be gone with you.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
It's not hypocritical nor deceptive, kiddo. You're just not smart enough to understand the concept. You miss the point every time.
Your morals are based in Christianity, which draws its teachings from the Bible. So as a Christian, your morals are based in the Bible and therefore, your religion. (The Bible does have historical evidences, but otherwise it's just Bronze Age fairy tales.)
At the other end of the spectrum, MY morals are based in logic & reason.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@Kinder
u either can not read or r just so bigoted u cant understand simple concepts. My morals r not based in Christianity they r my own
u don’t have much “logic & reason”
The OT people were under the Law. This means u urself paid for ur sins. Sin enslaved you to satan. God didnt approve or disapprove of slaves. He used them as an example of those outside the covenant being enslaved to satan. Notice that after we r free from the Law by the Atonement that no one is enslaved
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
Don't be stupid.
Your interpretion of god and slaves is absolutely ridiculous. It's amazing the CRAP christians come up with to support their bigoted religion.
Slavery was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Your god can't be god, because a god would KNOW that slavery is wrong, then and always. When your god SPECIFICALLY tells Moses how to buy slaves, that's APPROVING of slavery.
You're so lost you don't even realize it. Pathetic.
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
Just cause your understanding is limited does not mean it is correct.
I'm not more of a bigot then you are.
Why don't you tell me what slaves were to Moses? Or do you not know that fact? Figures.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@BeInnocuous
You may want to stop posting. Your ignorance is so obvious that you embarass yourself every time.
You're probably trying to claim that slaves in the bible were really indentured servants. Bullcrap. Another overused lie from christians. The bible itself refutes that idea... they were property!
Bottom line: When your god SPECIFICALLY tells Moses how to buy slaves, that's APPROVING of slavery. That's wrong, so therefore, your god can't be the true god.
TheKinderhookPlates 4 weeks ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
Some people are slaves... others are slaves to their thoughts desires and their sins...
BeInnocuous 3 weeks ago
@BeInnocuous
Yes, and for that reason, I feel sorry for your slavery... only you can change, if you desire! You can leave the darkness behind...
TheKinderhookPlates 3 weeks ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
I'm in Christ... are you?
BeInnocuous 3 weeks ago
@BeInnocuous
you only think you have the truth... you don't. you're lost and you don't even realize it, poor thing.
TheKinderhookPlates 3 weeks ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
I'm not closed minded...
BeInnocuous 3 weeks ago
@BeInnocuous
Oh, you are most certainly closed-minded! You're oblivious to the fact that your bible is no more the word of a god than the book of mormon is. You're unable to see thru the deception.
TheKinderhookPlates 3 weeks ago
@TheKinderhookPlates
It seems you are unable to get past your own opinion that dominates your whole being.
BeInnocuous 3 weeks ago
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@BeInnocuous
It seems you are unable to get past your own opinion that dominates your whole being.
Sad.
TheKinderhookPlates 3 weeks ago
@TheKinderhookPlates Are YOU a freakin mormon???
shallwe3148 3 weeks ago
@shallwe3148
I'm a happy EX-mormon. I escaped from the cult...
TheKinderhookPlates 3 weeks ago
@TheKinderhookPlates The book of Mormon is true.. It is not a cult. read mormon Chapter 8 and you will see what I mean.
wmarcus1203 3 weeks ago
@wmarcus1203
The Book of Mormon is false. There wasn't horses, cows, steel, wheat, etc. in the Americas at the time of the BofM. Yet Smith wrote those things into his book. FALSE, and obviously so.
TheKinderhookPlates 3 weeks ago
@shallwe3148
He claims to have once been LDS but I think he uses his Gay lifestyle to justify his hate and propaganda that he preaches against the Saints.
BeInnocuous 3 weeks ago
@BeInnocuous
Part 2...
Maybe you can answer this for me... it's about morals.
We all know that it's wrong to enslave another person. I think we could say this is an eternal truth, right?
Yet in Leviticus 25:44-46 God himself tells Moses how to buy & sell slaves! Why was it OK then, but not now? That means that your God was either wrong on slavery (& therefore not perfect), or the Bible is wrong... which is it?
Do morals change? According to scripture that you believe in, they do!
TheKinderhookPlates 1 month ago
Swap one cult for another? Nice one. Try Scientology next. I hear they're nuts!
ifindthatoffensive 3 months ago
The only god who took her away from Mormonism is Satan ! And she was'nt a real Mormon or else she would still be a mormon today.
TheUktruth 3 months ago
I started looking into the LDS history simply because I was fed up with it, fed up with the bishop trying to push my mother and myself into going back. I was shocked by the crap they seem to cover up, and if it wasn't for the information that is available online I'd still be caught in the cult! Got my letter confirming my name being removed from the records on the 15th Oct. And now I'm beginning my life again. Thanks for your videos and others who post the truth
tattoodfreeek 4 months ago
@tattoodfreeek Good for you!! Bless you! You woke up to this fairytale of lies that are spewed...I pray my daughter will wake up also.
janiejones1943 2 months ago
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@tattoodfreeek I'm a convert to the LDS church and I read all this stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the Church!! They aren't trying to "cover up" anything!!!
cindybin2001 2 months ago
Prophet Joseph Smith never prtend to be free of sins. Prophets are human and also under the Tempters influence, even more that any other men. The Church has humans doing the work, we falter and commit errors,but the Lord is always manifesting in every good deed that comes though the brothers and sisters of our Church.If you cannot see the blessings and have seen only the faults, I feel sorry for you. At the face of your mistaken testimony I am giving my own:LDS Church is the work of God on earth
MrManumona 5 months ago
@MrManumona You are right to point out that we are all flawed. Even the prophets are flawed. But the question is; Do you see the word of God as flawed? Do you see the path that Jesus showed as not true? The problem is not that you follow flawed men, the problem is that you follow a flawed word in replacement of the true Word of Christ Jesus. If you wish to delve deeper into a friendly coversation about the true Jesus vs. the Mormon Jesus, then please message me. Respectfully...
Here2ownU 4 months ago
@Here2ownU We see the path that the Savior showed to be true, we use the bible over anything else. The bible, which means many books, not a book that Christ left but a combination of several book from several of his followers... not all of them, and as many sacred writtings appear that were written under the Spirit's influence and from a Prophet, I will believe. They will go hand in hand with the bible anyway, one confirming the other. The BOM says more of Christ than anything else.
ChadBav 4 months ago
@ChadBav Thanks for your reply Chad. Just a question; Why did God punish mankind to work and toil when Adam and Eve at from the fruit of the tree of life? Was it not because they thought they would be like God? The entire Mormon faith is dedicated to the purpose of men becoming a God. The first sin of the Bible, is your faiths foundation. Mormons have fallen for the same lies the serpent told Eve. I hope you see the light.
Here2ownU 4 months ago
@Here2ownU The Mormon faith is dedicated to the purpose of following Jesus Christ. Not to become some god or something like that. At least, that’s what I try to do, I do not try to compare myself to a God or think I am good enough to be one. Just a child of God and a servant of the Savior. Without Him our very existence would have no purpose, that is what Mormons believe. I am grateful that you are respectful in your posts, I hope you know our foundation has nothing to do with becoming a God
ChadBav 4 months ago
@ChadBav Chad, you are not being sincere. You and I both know that the Mormon faith holds to the belief that men become Gods. Your comment, "Not to become some god or something like that" is not consistent with Mormon theology. You are either unaware of your own doctorine or intentionally avoiding it.
Here2ownU 4 months ago
@Here2ownU I am avoiding something taken way out of context by anti-mormons. Sure, I believe that through Christ and through following Him I can become more like Him and hopefully throughout eternity and a lot of time I can learn to be exactly like him, yeah its a goal to be like Christ for us. But that is not our foundation or anything of the sort, and what I said was what the church was entirely dedicated to, which is not to become a God. It is entirely dedicated to following Jesus Christ.
ChadBav 4 months ago
@Here2ownU If our desire to want to be like Christ, who yes is a God, is strange and wrong to you then so be it. My point is that that is not our main factor or key or doctrine or whatever. The purpose is to follow Christ, as I am sure it is in your Christian faith
ChadBav 4 months ago
@ChadBav It is one thing to desire to follow Christ and to be as much like him as possible. It's another to believe you can be exalted to the level of his throne. Quit practicing twistology. It's inherently dishonest. Doctorines & Covenant 19-22: They Shall be Gods. Doctorines of Salvation Vol 1 Pg 69-70; Those worthy become gods, Pgs 97-98 Exalted men become Gods. B.H. Roberts, "You shall be the same as our God". I could go on. You are blantely bearing false witness!
Here2ownU 4 months ago
@Here2ownU Uhg... I am blantely telling you that this doctrine is not the center or foundation or our religion. I never said that we don't believe it, I said the faith is dedicated to the purpose of something else, not to this doctrine. My issue was that you made it out to be the number 1 thing we believe and focus on, or our foundation as you put it. It's not. Yes we believe it, does that make you happy? I never denied that. But our purpose and foundation is to follow Christ and to be happy.
ChadBav 4 months ago
@Here2ownU And like I said before; ' I believe that through Christ and through following Him I can become more like Him and hopefully throughout eternity and a lot of time I can learn to be exactly like Him...' Is this not a clear statement? I doubt God will want those in His presence to play a harp and sing all day for all eternity to Him, but to continue to learn of Christ and be more like Him... eternity is a long time, I believe it's possible. Please don't accuse me of bearing false witness.
ChadBav 4 months ago
@ChadBav Your opinion is secondary to the theology you follow. If you preach contrary to it, then you are bearing false witness. Please don't take it as insult, perhaps as guidance. I sense that you are idealistic about your faith and probably not fully aware of it's true teachings. Press deep into the bible and give the BofM a solid measure against it. They are not compatible. Pase look remember, Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of earth, he said no. So why would you take it?
Here2ownU 4 months ago
@Here2ownU Are you assuming that I want to take all the kingdoms of the earth? I'm not sure how you got that from my statement of wanting to be like Christ...I'll try not to take offense, but I feel like that's pretty disrespectful. Also I told you that we do believe that we can become exalted and I never denied that, and did not preach contrary to that... I am very aware of the churches teachings, I like to focus on the most important things like the life of the Savior and how we can follow Him
ChadBav 4 months ago
@ChadBav Satan made Jesus an offer of all the kingdoms. Essentially, he offered Jesus an opportunity to be like God, to be a king of all kings. This is very much what the Mormon Church teaches. That you too will be a king of all kingdoms. If you are focused on the Savior, then follow his teachings. Rather you claim to follow Jesus while giving priority to the teachings of Joseph Smith. If this were not true, then why be LDS at all? Again, please press into the Bible. Put it first and only.
Here2ownU 4 months ago
@Here2ownU Yeah well that is your opinion, Satan’s temptation was earthly and based on pride, to follow the Savior and His teachings and to want to be like Him are completely different. Sorry if someone in the church did something to offend you, I don't know why you dislike it so... I don't think anything I can say will help you realize we want to do what’s right and that we don't focus on this crazy stuff, but thanks for the chatting. Good luck on your endeavors!
ChadBav 4 months ago
John 10:
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[Jesus was referring to Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."]
coolmusic888 1 month ago
@coolmusic888 Just to clarify. You are aware that this is a reference to men being "judges" or having authority over other men. He was speaking to the sanhedrin. This phrase was used when Moses appointed men to be in charge of disputes and refers to the authority given. Also, was used with Adam and Eve. Your eyes shall be opened and you shall be as gods, knowing good from evil. Remember, Adam and Eve were punished for seeking to be like God. I hope you affirming this. Best regards.
Here2ownU 1 month ago
@coolmusic888
So are you denying that Jesus called us all gods (just because it is in psalms does not take away the meaning that Jesus gave it) and are you also denying verse 36 where Jesus denies the interpretation of the pharisees?
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Jesus never called himself the Father.
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
@MrManumona " Prophets are human and also under the Tempters influence,"
So are you saying that Joseph Smith was screwing around multiple women in Adulterous sex????
Smith said that God told him to interfere with married women?
Just what kind of God is this Mormon God? Commands his followers to play around with other mens wives?
ElderJoseph 4 months ago
@ElderJoseph First Thing: You are desecrating the name you are usuing, you sign"ElderJoseph" that is inacceptable in relation to the blasphemies you are uttering.I am sorry, but I cannot answer any more to these kind of profane speaking.I will not answer to one who tries to desecrate a Prophet of God in such a way.I feel sorry fr you, because you certainly do not know what you are doing. There is no Mormon God, but The Father,The Son and tThe Holy Ghost.You must not play with that.
MGMonasterio 4 months ago
@MGMonasterio " You are desecrating the name you are usuing"
There is nothing to desecrate. The Mormon religion is a lying man made cult. And no God ever asked any DUMB Mormon Cult leader to represent him in any way.
Mormon Cult leaders are the biggest blasphemy and desecration to any creator. They were and are utter idiots.
They have obviously convinced you to believe their bullcrap! lol
"I will not answer to one who tries to desecrate a Prophet of God"
Prophet of Fraud!!I
ElderJoseph 4 months ago
@GnatMinion That's pretty much it in a nutshell. God made man then man returned the favor. I think all religion makes God small and petty. That describes us, not God. We don't know what God is. I would like to think God is reflected in the depth of our humanity. How we treat one another. Kindness, decency, and fairness is a good place to start and is better than doctrines and dogmas that divide ppl and can lead to unspeakable acts which we have seen through out history.
Tonithenightowl 5 months ago
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Hey,I was a mormon too. I served a mission, married in the temple. I support you in leaving the church! Jesus taught us that any religion makes us unworthy, our governments take away your freedoms to live, and our money destroys friendships. It's still the same today people! Learn what the example of Jesus taught us. All those haters out there, please save your unkind remarks and learn how to love like Jesus taught you to do. Religion is just another mind control device so face the truth please
compassion4truth 5 months ago
I am always stunned when I hear Americans saying that "they never heard of all those bad things" and that they were never taught. This is really an American thing cause I have heard them since I was an infant.
Anyway I am VERY happy that you found peace and answers somewhere else because in the end being LDS or Muslim or Catholic or whatever won't matter, what will matter for God is what we really mean to live in this life.
gwennaelle1107 6 months ago
@gwennaelle1107 " cause I have heard them since I was an infant."
So did the church teach you since you were an infant :
That Joseph Smith was asking for his followers wives?
That Joseph Smith married his followers wives?
That Joseph Smith was marrying 14 year olds?
That Joseph Smith looked at a garden rock in a hat?
That the LDS temple endowment was introduced by Joseph Smith soon after his own masonic Initiation ceremony ( which happens to be almost identical)?
I don't believe you.
SisterSkeeba 6 months ago 3
@SisterSkeeba I was not TAUGHT this. I was TOLD this. I love the fact that you don't believe me. Actually we had a brother in the first ward we attended too who had been a "franc-maçon".
I love how you don't believe me and how here around me people don't believe me when I tell them stories like yours.
gwennaelle1107 6 months ago
@SisterSkeeba
You don't have much knowledge in this topic...
BeInnocuous 1 month ago
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@BeInnocuous " You don't have much knowledge in this topic..."
What kind of a lame ass type comment is that? I'l tell you what that is. It's a dumb cult recruit comment! Yes completely dumb.
You have people who have been stake presidents, mission presidents. people of 40 yrs service etc leaving the church because it's a lying cult and the best you can come up with is that?
You are so stupid and definately just right kind of recruit for the Mormon Cult. You sucker.
ElderJoseph 1 month ago
no matter what your arguments are. THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS is true... nothing but true.
b3nchable 6 months ago
a true mormon has a pure testimony that the church is true.
b3nchable 6 months ago
@b3nchable "a true mormon has a pure testimony that the church is true."
What you mean is a true Mormon will ignore the facts and shove their heads up their rears in denial. Enjoy being lied to in the name Of Latter Day Saints because thats all you are worth to the lying cult leaders. To them you are nothing but a bum on a seat and someone they can take 10% minimum in cash for as long as they can get away with it.
Rather you than me.
SisterSkeeba 6 months ago 14
@SisterSkeeba Wow just because this guy believes in something you do not he has his head up his rear? And is in denial? What if this guy has only experienced the good and positive things that the church teaches and does, like faith in Jesus Christ, repentence, charity, honesty, respect, ...etc. Maybe he is ingorant, as many people are to many things, but don't assume he's some mormon. Try helping in a caring way, you might convince someone that mormons are bad. I assume you want to help, that is
ChadBav 4 months ago
@ChadBav haha I wrote mormon when I wanted to put moron, embarrassing
ChadBav 4 months ago
@b3nchable a true muslim has a pure testimony that muhammad is the prophet of Allah and thus the true almighty God.
7wiiskate 6 months ago
2 thumbs up for Kay Brown. Folks can dispute over what is true and what is not, That discussion has been going on since Bible times. There were alot of questions that I had that they couldnt answer for me. I have decided not to go to any church, and I am a lot happier cleaning up horse poop on Sundays than sitting in some church for 3 hours every Sunday. Bets wishes to all, and the horses are happy knowing that I spend time with them instead of sitting in some stuffy church on Sunday.
Wellington5392 7 months ago
Now if Kay Brown researched actual biblical history, she would also find that the bible is just as questionable a source of "spiritual truth" as the book of Mormon. The ancient Hebrews believed in and worshipped several gods and it wasn't until about 600 AD that the idea that there was only one god became doctrine. There isn't even any historical record of Jesus, in the ancient records of the Romans, or any other Middle Eastern nations, whereas there are ample record of other events.
1om8cat 7 months ago
If you were a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints for 50 years, you should know that we are christians
MRBOYDish 7 months ago
What is suspect of this video is that the conversation they are having is being read form the cards in their hands. hmmm, noone can be trusted anywhere...whether in a church or out of a church. Each human being needs to be led to seek God personnally and not through other people. "Seek and you shall find"...people, quit looking to other people for spiritual guidance....seek it in your closets and let God lead you wherever he plans to, whether to a specific church or not that's his choice.
tcbellwood 8 months ago
I got converted into the Church and im still an Atheists, see how stupid that sounds.
Biggest problem is when you have a problem what do they tell you to do? read the scripture, and look for the answer. So many things wrong...
Imagine, your being hunted by a bunch of people, and they tell you the above. The plan to salvation, from being saved away from your hunters is in a book written 220 yrs old book.
The LDS members are just brainwashed to believe, if not, told to.
MaxBlight 8 months ago
@MaxBlight Well you have to talk with your inner self, make questions is not bad, do a research either. Then talk again with your inner self, be patience and continue asking to others and to god. Good friends will understand you.
We are not brainwashed, I think that is what people like to think about us to justify their unbelief.
dorisfenella 8 months ago
@dorisfenella no, no you are. The moment you have been born on Earth (started during the bronze age), you have been brainwashed (or as I call it, plugged in the matrix) to believe that there is a God. And that the Bible is the prof that it is. The bible, has so much error, and its got so many info that just contradicts common sense.
The biggest of course is the old testament, but the argument of religious people is that, "that was back then", I disagree, because its still practiced today.
MaxBlight 8 months ago
@dorisfenella The living prof is that you hate homosexuals, simply because it is stated in the old testament. How about the 10 commandments? isisnt it in the old commandments? Want me to point out the murder, rape and slavery in the bible?
This is the main reason why people like me hates religion:
- Forces people to do stuff (whether you know it or not)
- Separates people
- Advocates crime (as long as justified as "In the name of God")
MaxBlight 8 months ago
@dorisfenella The bible states to live by the bible, and do everything in it. That means, if you see someone working on the sabbath, you must stone that person, and you should sell your daughter for 50 silver coins to the raper of her, and kill your child for cursing you (if your the father).
All you are doing is Cherry picking, but not even your own cherry picking, its your religious figure heads decision to tell you which to cherry pick, making him supposedly smarter and better than you.
MaxBlight 8 months ago
@dorisfenella oh and FYI, I did do that, I made 4 missionaries and some members of the LDS church become rational.
By simply pointing out stuff they are doing, thats it.
Relief society:
- Degrades (They didnt know it is, because they are enjoying it, but in reality, its "to put women in there place")
- Priesthood (Somewhat choice-mandatory)
- Membership (families are "forced" by choice to convert all of there family to members, otherwise, not live with God)
MaxBlight 8 months ago
@dorisfenella
Tithing - Give 10%, all nice and good, but at the end of the year, those who do not give there 10% are more likely humiliated, and pointed out (In some places, this policy has change). Members are "forced" by choice to do this, otherwise they wont get blessings, and apparently God gave them those 100%, and its fair to return 10%. This is unjustifiable, specially to the military personel members, to tell them "You didnt earn your pay, it was give to you" is just plain rude.
MaxBlight 8 months ago
@dorisfenella
-Membership part B: If you leave the church, your family, former ward, and people who witnessed your conversion is alerted, and are told to stay away of you, and is told that you have left the church to sin.
Female: Somewhat forced to get married before 30, and are treated nothing more than "tools", for the sole purpose of bearing children. Hench the relief societies main duty is to organize activities
Priesthood part B: Talks with one another to point that there manly (stupid)
MaxBlight 8 months ago
@dorisfenella
This are some of the points I pointed out to the members, they were first insulted (who wouldnt), but rash conversation is the only way to go, in order to make any realize how unrational there belief is. Also, I would like to point out the emphasis on "your choice", and "you must".
Im an Ex-Christian, my POV towards Atheism started the moment I read the holy books of Hinduism, Christianity (all), Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Norse, and Greek.
MaxBlight 8 months ago
I'm not here to argue, but, as a member of the LDS church, I have come to find out my testimony today isn't what it was 10-15 years ago. I have experienced hardship, confusion, and unhappiness throughout my life as my testimony grew. It's so essential to start a testimony out with the basics of the gospel. Once that solid foundation is built, that is when you can build upon that testimony so that it will never falter.
mjacobson7 8 months ago
@mjacobson7 I also wanted to point out that I don't know every thing about the gospel. In fact, there is quite a bit I don't understand. It doesn't bother me, because I am learning little by little, but my testimony stays firm. I served a 2-year church mission to Uruguay. I walked all through that little country teaching what I know to be true. I finally had the opportunity to go back to Uruguay and see those I taught, and I'm proud to say that the majority have stayed active in the church.
mjacobson7 8 months ago
I feel bad that this women obviously never caught a full vibrant testimony of the truth. Maybe now that shes in her latter years, she'll take the time to apply what shes been taught her entire life. Its pitiful really.
L1oNsD3N 8 months ago
@L1oNsD3N She found out the church of LDS is a lying crock. What don't you understand about that?
Mormon Testimonies are bullcrap, a type of self delusion. There are around 100 plus Mormon Sects and all have tetimonies of their own truths. They can't all be true and are in fact all wrong. Mindless Nonsense.
Warren Jeff's members have testimony that he is the Prophet of God and thats how he is able to sleep with multiple women in polygamy much like what Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did.
SisterSkeeba 8 months ago 8
@SisterSkeeba Ah yes, this self delusion has apparently become an epidemic as 35,000 different denominations of Christianity, in the Americas alone, claim to be correct in their doctrine. According to your estimation not all of them can be true - and so are "in fact all wrong"?
Where does your faith confession fit in this mash of deception?
itsalltheory 8 months ago
@L1oNsD3N The pitiful thing is how totally brainwashed, & mentally shut off, Mormonism makes their people. Look at page 41 of your Pearl of Great Price. Do U C figures 2 and 4? Do these look like men to you? Joseph said they were "King Pharaoh" and "Prince of Pharaoh". Now do some studying on the egyptian godesses Isis and Maat. You will find that the pictures of these godesses look just like the pictures on page 41 figures 2 & 4 of your "Pearl of Great Price". Read Isaiah 43:10,11 & 44:6-8,24.
1stcorinthians1vrs18 6 months ago
@EdwardDiBello 14 million what? Growing Strong? Someone is pulling your leg and you are dumb enough to believe them. Thats what the real joke is on. It's on you.
I've seen those who get 'baptised'. They are simply duped and pressured by desperate missionaries and then run off afterwards. I know because I saw two years of that stupidity in the ward I atended.
Those figures in conference are meaningless drivel but used to keep you hoodwinked.
ElderJoseph 8 months ago
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved."
JOSEPH SMITH
scottwins2 8 months ago
@EdwardDiBello Why do some of you LDS people talk utter BS? lol You can't be that dumb surely?
The LDS corporation is losing lots of members simply because it's a lying cult. How can you post such utter nonsensical denial of the Video and of people who quit the cult?
Pull yourself together and do some research.
ElderJoseph 8 months ago
GET THE FACTS STAIGHT, SHE NEVER GETS IT RIGHT, EVER
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 What exactly don't they ever get right? Kay Brown has discovered the ROT like everyone esle who leaves the LDS corporation. Lies, deception, false history.
I was deceived for two years by this cult. It was shocking to discover the real history behinf the LDS corporation.
ElderJoseph 8 months ago
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Sounds like they were cruising along doing well in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints then they gave into some temptation and THEN had to find something wrong with the Church to ease their guilt . May not be the case with everyone but I have seen it many times and usally that is the reason for people who were members to post this mess on youtube. Don't let the evil one fool you you can still repent . It's never too late .
mollymu1 8 months ago
These ladies don't have a clue, What world do they live on?
scottwins2 9 months ago
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@scottwins2 "These ladies don't have a clue, What world do they live on?"
You need to ask what world you think you are living on? lol LDS endowment is plageurised from Freemasonry. The Masonic five points of fellowship at the veil has been removed so you might not be old enough to remember it together with throat slitting re-enactment!
ElderJoseph 8 months ago
First of all the scripture given by this lady in Hebrews 1:1-2 is completely butchard by her interpretation. This scripture in no way says that Jesus was the last Prophet. It does However speak to the nature of God. We know Jesus was the express image of his father. It also tells us that Jesus became an heir to what his father had only after he died. The God of the bible did not only love those in Jeruselam but the whole world.
linford3915 9 months ago
@linford3915 "First of all the scripture given by this lady in Hebrews 1:1-2 is completely butchard by her interpretation"
Hebrews1 "God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in TIME PAST unto the fathers by the prophets Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son."
Jesus himself said
LUke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were UNTIL John: from that time the gospel of the kingdom of God is preached, and every man entereth violently into it."
ElderJoseph 8 months ago
Drewskione?? In answer to your question why the LDS faith does not have crosses, is the faith focuses on the Garden of Gethsemane and what he did for us in taking our sins onto himself. It is there that he bled from every pore. The cross was the means in which he died, giving up his body, making it possible for him to overcome death. It is extremely important, and the LDS faith focuses not just on that act, but on the garden rather then focusing on the means in which he died.
CityArt01 9 months ago
@CityArt01 "In answer to your question why the LDS faith does not have crosses"
The same reason Jews and JW's don't have them according to the New Testament:
1 Corithians 1:23 "But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;"
LDS actually focus on Joseph Smith and believe what he said and wrote and not the bible.
ElderJoseph 8 months ago
@Ingle92protege I want to lay down by the fire. I'm attracted to your authority.
drewskione 9 months ago
@Ingle92protege I love you.
drewskione 9 months ago
There is not one true church on the planet, however there is only one true doctrine! Rom 16:17, 1 Tim 1:10, 2 John 9
buddo1999 9 months ago in playlist POOR POOR MORMONS
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buddo1999 9 months ago in playlist POOR POOR MORMONS
sad people get enslaved in that ridiculous nonsense cult..what a waste of time
1955porsche 10 months ago
At the 3:00 mark: "And there's only one thing that will keep us out of heaven, and that's refusing the remedy for our sin, and that's Jesus Christ." So, Latter-Day Saints are just trying too hard, or what? Even if the LDS church has many false doctrines, as long as we accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour then we'll make it to heaven anyway, right?
hawkeyery 10 months ago
Congradulations to Kay. I'd say that she switched from one superstition to another but at least she's free of that whacky LDS church. It's a first step.
MightyCarnac 10 months ago
haha,.. what a crap,...
antimormonwarior 10 months ago
this is it i am i mormon i have seen and participated in the catholic church and i have christian friends and mormon just makes me feel happy it gives me joy god has helped me and i just know that it is real there is no dought you will be judged accordingly when god comes then you can ask him what ever you wish...i forgive you.
kvnkev 10 months ago
@kvnkev Good I'm glad you have found joy in the damage and pain your bullshit cult church has caused in the lives of millions of gay and lesbian people. Die and rot in hell you piece of mormon filth.
tbone2872 10 months ago
@kvnkev Your FAITH is more than just a feeling. I challenge you to look at the Mormons teaching plan of salvation. Jesus is never even mentioned once. Not once. Where in the bible does it say you can become your own GOD? Where. Ask why they never allowed blacks in the church till the eighties.
crushfan76 9 months ago
@kvnkev Ask why they insist on teaching your works and obedience to them will get you to heaven. Ask them why they have you get baptized repeatedly. Jesus said there is only ONE baptism. Let the Dead bury the Dead. Why get baptized for the dead? Faith is not about a feeling. It's about the truth. Have you questioned why the book of mormon directly conflicts with the bible? You mentioned being Catholic, you can ask any question about your faith and are encouraged to do so. Not so for mormons
crushfan76 9 months ago
@crushfan76 i forgive you for your comment.........
kvnkev 9 months ago
The point of religion is to be an auxiliary source for people to be more social. A type of social that benefits all. The religious stories are all myths, but who cares. Mormons are awesome people, and I think the reason the church has to censor so much is because people are not prepared for it...like this woman. The truth is important, but it cannot dictate faith....other wise you might as well be Unitarian Universalist, which is fine too.
drewskione 10 months ago
@drewskione SO, answer me this. Why doesn't any Mormon building have either a cross or a crucifix in or on them? If you truly believe Jesus died and rose for you and his salvation is real and he has paid the price with his blood for you. Why do you not have any crosses anywhere? I'm seriously wanting tio know this.
crushfan76 9 months ago
@crushfan76 Does it really matter? They act like Christians, and they say they are. That is enough for me. If you centre your life on the social teachings of Jesus, you are a Christian in my book. Whenever I'm with Mormons I never here them trash other Christians, but often when I'm with extreme evangelicals, they cannot help speaking out against Mormons. Grow up and accept diversity. Please resist focusing on the small things like Trinity vs Godhead or the process of Baptism.
drewskione 9 months ago
@drewskione Thats becuase people just want to be dicks for no reason. I have had the same experiance with LDS and Evangelicals my whole life.
321boileranimal 9 months ago
@drewskione - a bit of information for you: Joseph Smith, the founder and author of of the Mormon scriptures, presents God as being an exalted man, who lived on some planet out in the universe, who earned the right to godhood by being faithful and doing good works. This is completely counter to everything that the Bible says about the person, nature and character of God. Therefore, Mormons are not Christian. It's in the doctrine -
54v115 9 months ago
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@54v115 however you will to see it, my friend.
drewskione 9 months ago
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@54v115"who earned the right to godhood by being faithful and doing good works. This is completely counter to everything that the Bible says about the person, nature and character of God." Matt 25:35-46 states that Christ will ask specifically about our actions as a precursor to entering His kingdom. It is perfectly in line with Bible, unless you choose to focus on one scripture at the expense of another. Christ opens the door, our actions tell Him if we are worthy to enter.
bomac10000 9 months ago
@54v115 Mormons are Anthropomorphic, that is what the Bible teaches, Plato and his philosopher friends helped corrupt the church so much the Sadducees and Pahasees came about,Constantine himself attached himself to the Christian faith because he believed in a Non Coporeal God. Christ was speaking of false gods and idolatry when he said he was Alfa and Omega. He was sure to use the Greek form to combat the philosophers. more at fairlds.org or lds.org
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 - Can you tell me where in the bible it teaches that Mormons are anthropomorphic? Thanks -
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 Anthropomorpic is not a bible term, It is a fundemental teachig of the LDS Faith, See 13 Articles of Faith written by Joseph Smith 1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. They are seperate and disticnt, Christ Prayed to him in the Book of John, he addressed the Father, prayed and worshipped him. Joseph smith saw Christ standing on the right hand of God they were seperate. Visit fairlds.org if you need a deeper explanation
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 - I'm no stranger to mormonism.. I was an elder for two and a half decades... If you want to sound convincing.. please explain precisely what it is you think you are saying... other readers would appreciate it I'm sure... thanks.
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 Greek Philosophy influenced the early Christian Church is that simple enough for you?
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 I don't ask you for me Scott... you have to assume others are reading.... do you believe god is an exalted man who is right only for this earth?
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 Please don't tell us what we believe, Christ is at the center of our lives in every way, how we see him is just different than you may see him. "I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 - I could waste space by quoting false prophets too... I'm telling you WHAT YOUR CHURCH TELLS THE WORLD. If that upsets you, or conflicts with your idea of what lds doctrine is .. go knock on their door. Your Jesus Christ is not the Jesus Christ of the The Bible Canon. If you claim he is our spirit brother as does your church.. you are not Christian.
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 Hmm, so in your determination any denomination proclaiming the divinity and centrality of Christ Jesus should strictly derive its tenets from Biblical sources. If that is criteria for Christian consideration then someone had better inform Trinitarians of your findings, as their philosophy of the triune God has yet to be uncovered within Biblical scripture. The fact remains that Constantine and his fourth century collaborators are the authors of that quandary.
itsalltheory 8 months ago 2
@54v115 Study the philosophers, there contribution to the One God or the Devine who alwas existed and created man to entertain himself was started by your founder Plato, Augustine supported the views and Constantine became a Christian, since he sided with the philosophers that influenced the early church. Jesus had a body of flesh and bones and when he was ressurected. "Behold my hands and my feet that it is i, myself andle me and see for a spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have"
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 - do you believe god is an exalted man who is right only for this earth? Are you Mormon? Or are you Christian? They are distinct and separate...
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 Christianity today teaches the God of Plato The One, the Devine. I believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are all seperate but one in purpose. I pray to the same Father that Christ prayed to in my Mediators name Jesus. "I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation... and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved."
— Joseph Smith Jr
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 - So you're a proponent of Mr Oakes (spelling?) of General Conference in saying the Greek Philosophies have twisted the idea, true nature of God which is exactly what your Mr Smith did. Mormons are the very people who adopted Greek philosophy, the Hellenised version of God brought on by Plato, and turned it into their own theology as Mormons made God a man, whose origin was a man and so on into ancestry, as will be to come.
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 While we're on the subject of temporal and spiritual bodies, where in the Bible does scripture indicate that the risen Lord Christ Jesus shed his resurrected body as He ascended into Heaven? Please clarify this doctrinal position if you can.
Thanks
itsalltheory 8 months ago
@itsalltheory Before I look to address your enquiry in a credible way to you. can you first tell me if you are mormon or christian (which denomination), a believer in Christ or not. I ask because it has a baring upon the answer that may be acceptable to you.
54v115 8 months ago
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itsalltheory 7 months ago
@54v115 "Before I look to address your inquiry"
Whether I'm an atheist, Calvinist, Seventh-Day Adventist, Mormon, or Agnostic is irrelevant, in any event I suspect your answer would remain the same.
itsalltheory 7 months ago