"The Next Scientific Revolution," with Marilyn Schlitz

[HeadSHOT604]

We need another scientific revolution >.>

[ralphrose1]

love this

[wholescience]

Are we moving towards a more holistic, whole science as we now include consciousness in our study of the world?

[DescartesPupil]

Noetic theory is a type of philosophy. Noetic science seems to be a bit of an oxymoron.

That said, I applaud efforts to experiment in this area. We should all remain skeptical of calling it a revolution in science though until some finding is submitted to a scientific journal and is reproducible by other scientists. Until then any hypotheses are just that.

[enlightened58]

When science marries the right side of the brain with the left we will see huge leaps in conscience understanding of the infinite possiblities of the mind and energy. To research and view from only the logical side of the brain and discard the out there creative side of the brain is to work with only half your potential.

[lickmynose]

Science is an injunction that does not provide evidence of all possibilities. Science is a limited injunction dealing with positivistic evidence. Science is incredibly valuable, it keeps us grounded, but not the end all.

[lickmynose]

Marilyn Schlitz rocks! She is brilliant. This video doesn't even demonstrate her eloquent and thoughtful input in the field of medicine. She is on the cutting edge of medicine's direction (hopefully). I hope all of you read a book called Consciousness And Healing, it's awesome. A revolution in these fields is occurring, and we are on the brink of something profound.

[dreadedqb]

She said copernicus was revolutionary

He wasnt

Science and religion didnt really experience much friction until Thomas Huxley's time

Shes just repeating what ppl say

[Silentsam7532]

@dreadedqb Science and religion were always at odds. Why else woudl the bible have a story of "doubting Thomas" included to warn against those who require proof.

Its well known and documented that the church was against Galileo for his theories about the Earth orbiting the sun. It took a long time for the church to admit that it was true, that the Earth is not at the center of the universe and that we do indeed orbit the sun. Well before Thomas Huxley.

[theinquisitor]

Psychic abilities supported about science? No. Psychic abilities proved to be trickery by science. It's bad enough to shit on science, but to pretend you're promoting it while shitting on the back door is even worse.

[cybervigilante]

A 2004 study by the Air Force Material Command, AFRL-PR-ED-TR-2003-0034 Teleportation Physics Study, citing a number of controlled double blind studies, showed the possiblity of human-mediated teleportation. You're the one living in a fantasy-paradigm. As Kuhn pointed out the old scientists have to die off since they'll smother new ideas by withholding grants and tenure. My physicist friends tell me science is Full of politics.

[theinquisitor]

I had a look at that report just now, but I stopped when I saw that they referenced Uri Gellar as an example of psychokenesis, a proven trickster. I really can't be bothered to read the whole thing just to find hundreds of holes. Call me intellectually lazy if you like but I'll wait for more research.

[cybervigilante]

Yes, you're intellectually laxy to find the one person you don't like, and ignore the thirty or so credentialed scientists who signed off on it ;') I sent it to a theoretical physicist I know and he said the math checks out.

If the Amazing Randi proved he's a trickster, Randi is also a biased fraud, only in the other direction. His logis is amazingly flawed. Just because you can duplicate an event, poorly, doesn't necessarily prove Anything about the original event.

[theinquisitor]

Okay maybe I'll look into it some more, but that's a long report and if I read up on every claim I saw on a youtube comment with a pdf link then that would be my full time job, so I'm sure you can understand my reluctance to put all that effort just to probably be disappointed. There are a lot of people on youtube who claim to understand science and don't, and who claim to know physicists, and don't. Any more resources on the subject?

[cybervigilante]

Well, the paper itself has 253 citations starting on page 63. That should be enough resources to keep you busy ;')

[theinquisitor]

Okay but before I do, just give me a quick rundown of what they're claiming, are they just saying it's theoretically possible to teleport macroscopic objects or have they actually done it? Is the proposed method technology or psychic powers? If it's psychic powers then what kind of powers have been shown, what can they actually do?

[cybervigilante]

The main report is of a double blind experiment in china with gifted individuals doing actual small-object teleportation. There other citations. Given the importance of China, I don't think the hardheaded military is being wooly. Many scientists don't want to hear facts which don't support their theories. Read "Forbidden Archeology" or Kuhn. Anomalies are discarded, with propoments losing careers, which is why they say there is no proof - it's circular ;')

[theinquisitor]

I'd love to find out that these things are possible, but there have been too many people fooled beforehand. If someone really has these abilities, they should take the James Randi test and win a million dollars. Their only requirements are that scientific standards of proof be met so why haven't they tried them? It wouldn't hurt the research budget and it would demonstrate the value of the idea to the world in a very public way.

[cybervigilante]

Well, the AF study cited a tight double-blind study in China. What more do you want? They're kicking our ass economically and have launched satellites, so they ain't dumb.

Randi's test is also unscientific, unlike the Chinese study. It would cite an anomaly or single event. Science can only study Repeatable events which must be duplicated until they go beyond a statistical measure of chance.

[theinquisitor]

Okay well I've jumped ahead to the conclusions and they said "we are still very far away from being able to entangle and teleport human beings"

I know about quantum teleportation and entanglement, but you were implying that they could do human teleportation. Yeah it's theoretically possible, but so is making black holes, doesn't mean we're even near the capability.

[cybervigilante]

No, "we" aren't near a macro-teleportation ability, but biology is Still way ahead of us. We can't even come near synthesixing one single cell. Or even a virus. Maybe we don't know everything that organisms and the biosphere, in their unimaginable complexity, are capable of. If we did we'd cure cancer tomorrow. There are macro-quantum events, such a superfluids, superconductivity and solitons.

[theinquisitor]

Also my original point was about psychic abilities, not quantum teleportation. Teleportation just by thinking about it is reasonable for me to dismiss before someone actually does it.

[aikiboy1111111]

I actually took a look at that study myself. As a magician and skeptic, after reading that report, what I would like to see done is replication attempts. Also, although I am a skeptic like you, cybervigilante does have a point. Not only is the One Million Dollar Challenge a one shot deal, it also lacks peer-review, and unfortunately has not very well controlled for experimenter bias, something which I am annoyed with both believers and skeptics for not having controlled well enough for.

[theinquisitor]

Well as I understand it, there is a preliminary test which has a probability of success by chance that is low but not miniscule, like 1 in 50. No-one has even got past that test to get to the properly controlled test that has a much lower chance of success by chance, which is the actual test for the prize. All they've had is crackpots and deluded dousers. I've seen the experiments done with dousers and they seem scientific enough for the preliminary.

[aikiboy1111111]

Ok. well for the experimenter bias problem, and as to how Randi could improve upon it, watch my video series, "A Look Into the Psychic, Update" and "Experimenter Psi Effect, Final Data." The main problem is that Randi claims his skepticism would have no effect because on some claims, he asks not to be notified of the date and location of testing. The problem is that other skeptics are still present, so his absence is redundant.

[aikiboy1111111]

(cont) Also, claimants know they are being tested by a skeptical organization, so they could be subconsciously be influenced to perform at chance levels. The same could be happening with the psi-proponent research. Anyway, I've given quite a few sources in both series covering the problem in greater detail and one of my latest videos proposes a solution to deal with the problem.

[aikiboy1111111]

(cont) The major problem is the issue pertaining to the lack of peer-review. Randi has been known to consult scientists and staticians on occasion when setting up the claim challenges, but has never submitted any of the preliminary tests for peer-review. If he wrote up the entirety of the past 25 years worth of experiments he's done, that would provide the file drawer effect to make even the best proponent studies statistically significant by chance, eliminating the need for further research.

[cracks21229]

Sounds good to me! Count me in.

[FuentesEye]

The conection between minds have always been in our intuition. Interesting, I want to see more.

[gahana108]

beautiful message. Humanity is shifting whether they want to or not. I have made a huge shift in the past 3 years. Its aMAzing!

Blessings!

[mchldbs]

Nice work IONS!

[stdinan]

How cool will it be when we have a fully scientific basis for spirituality!

[paradoxmama]

I'm really glad that the split between science and spirit is being healed. I hope this video get seen by lots of young people

[SM64Bloopersguy]

What is the ethical side of this story?

Can any man or woman tap into this power?

And if so, does accessing this higher understanding still involve the ego?

[cat3733]

IMHO, when the ego is congruent with the Higher Self, the door opens to amazing possibility and empowerment. Check the Abraham Hicks videos on YouTube for more inspiration!

[Angelight1013]

Very interesting video. Great topics to research!

[KavernKitty]

I'vwe always believed there was some connection between religon and science Its amazing the things we are discovering can you imagine 100 yrs from now Shame i won;t be here to see it

[Markieji]

IONS is doing great stuff!

[hoffmann9471]

Very interesting !