No, because us tories admire the fact that parents would rather send their children to private school than a crappy public one and waste the money on holidays and alcohol.
The average UK salary is £25,543. What is that? Working class/ lower middle class.
So how can a man who is practically an aristocrat have any idea on how to run a country beneficial for the working majority. He has no idea how the 'other half', the majority live-so how can he be leader of them?
@TashesxD Yes, that's the irony they're called labour but their policies seem to deter it. 'utter ignorance', mr. hypocrit, I think you ought to also be aware not to take things at face value, pressuming that because a party is called one thing they live up to it. The Nazi party was called Socialist, they were anything but.
@TashesxD Labour are not for us working class people, they simply move filthy little under class vermin into our areas, damaging house prices and ruining the area. Hackney, Hounslow. Slough. A few of the many areas around London which labour have destroyed.
However, do you know of any areas where there's a tory land slide that are in a state? as I don't, because conservative policy works!
coming from a council estate in liverpool watching my family struggle. class matters at the end of the day if your from a good background and you mess up mummy and daddy will always be the for you If I mess up were do I go to work in B&Q with my dad? i watch the people in my school those who don't have to work and do there school work moaning about ema.
class and money only matter when you don't have it and are at the bottom, it doesn't bother you because you've never had to think about it
@lottielovelife I agree, however being working class is simply down to your parents irresponsibility.
Your parents most likely smoke, have a holiday every year, have a car, go to the pub, buy alcohol. If they didn't buy those luxuries and invested them in a savings account, you wouldn't suffer as you would be able to work, save up and get a mortgage.
But your type have this attitude which makes you fatalistic, it makes you think getting to the top is like climbing everest... It is not!
@ForeverComplaining hi this is clearly old but I noticed what you said about my parents and won't have that said at all, neither of my parents have smoked for 20 years, they drink very occasionally the last time my mother stepped in to a pub was when she worked behind one, I haven't been on a holiday since I was 7 and that was a weekend in Devon. I don't live in an episode of cornination street. More likely the reason is that my parents never got the best of educations, my dad worked ....
@ForeverComplaining he was 13 my Grandmother was a single parent form italy after her husband died when he was 3, leaving her with 5 kids on her own, and getting to the top isn't everest, but climbing any mountain is easier with a harness isn't it??
@lottielovelife oh, and my mother has never been unemployed for longer than 3 months in her whole life and that was only to look after my dying gran. So please do not start talking about my family like were scum thank you. because you will never meet harder working, kinder people in your whole life.
I think the problem with having a prime minster and the cronies around him from one specific area of life is that they don't kno what it's like on the other side George Osborne did a modern history degree his only economic experience being when he was a cashier at Selfridges.
compared to Ed Millaband, who did a PPE degree at oxford which he got a scholarship for, and went to a comprehensive school
I would personally like to see qualified politicians running the country
@lottielovelife I think what you're trying to say is that if someone doesn't have a degree, in a privelleged university like Oxford, then they simply don't have a right to talk about politics and should be disenfranchised.
Well I have complete contempt for your ideas and I think you ought ashamed of yourself, as it really does contradict your left-wing argument.
@ForeverComplaining No, I believe Cameron went to oxford ... didn't do him much good what I want is a government made up of people who know what this country is really like, not just some stereotypical view, and have had an education enough that I can trust that when they look at a economic report they can understand it and decipher it properly which I don't believe cameron can.
Brown is an anti-Enlish racist. He doesn't like the fact that Cameron went to an Enlish public school, but is quite happy that the war-criminal Blair went to a Scottish public school.
I think it does matter. It matters because of the policies that the tories like to inforce. They like to limit the state which means make it so rich people pay less tax and poor people get less help. So If someone was to do this coming from a poor or rich background would have an effect on their popularity. So it does matter.
@redface626 You would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich, I have the same contempt for your socialist ideas as the people of Eastern Europe who've experienced them.
I am a private school chap sort of upper middle class and private school so I know what background the Tories come from but also labour members went to private schools too so they can`t talk.
@petertheallblack Exactly. You shouldn't have to feel guilty, because your parents saved up their money and invested it in your future, you should feel proud of yourself.
However labour don't like people saving money and investing it, they want everyone to live in council houses, and waste their money on cigarettes, alcohol and be state dependant.
The ironic thing about Eton, Harrow etc. is that they were originally created to educate poor children. Before compulsory education was enacted the best hope for a poor but honest child was a place at one of those schools.
Cameron and Clegg are both highly educated and very wealthy men. However they have little knowledge or understanding of the problems of working class people due to their privileged position in society.
PS - Don't attempt impersonations are you are crap at them!
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I'm sorry, but this is a bit of a nonsense. How many Labour politicians are Oxbridge educated? A good deal of the "higher ups" I'd happily wager. Now, before people start, I didn't and have never attended either public school, or Oxbridge, but I find it staggeringly hypocritical of Labour to push this. Many senior Lib Dem party members are also similar in this regard.
Face it, when it comes to running the country, we're not going to want some flat cap wearing, whippet breeder talking to Obama.
It is an issue for the working class, who cannot be reasonably represented by someone who has never been working class.
I wouldnt trust a private schooled individual to run the public school system either, for similar reasons, unless they ran a particularly good private school and did a good job of it.
I dont care about a university educated government (ministers at least.) in fact i support it wholeheartedly (other than long-serving politicians who have proven their competence without a diploma), but the backbenches should be proportional, they dont do much paperwork or anything, they are their to represent he nation.
I don't care, as I think it is naive to say that someone with a background totally dissimilar to the majority can't understand the people as a whole. I think that to be become an MP, going into politics is to leave the circumstances of your pedigree and exchange it for political philosophy.
I think Cameron's education does put him out of touch with the majority of the people in the nation. Although, Clegg's education was as toffish as Cameron's too.
yeah, you are contradicting yourself. It's not about their specific background- it's the implication that holds for their ideology. Yes, the likes of Milliband had privileged backgrounds, but they aren't warped in their world-view as a result. Rather, they genuinely care about the depths of social inequality in this country- that is why they baulk at inheritance tax-cuts for the few and job-cuts for the many. Cameron is a one man modernising experiment for conservatism; one which is slowing
I'm pretty sure that if any school in the country teaches its pupils how to run the country, its Eton. So why not!?
To hate somebody because they were born posh is as bad as to hate somebody because they were born poor. But this nation loves to have a chip on its shoulder, eh?
Afraid not, no reasonable human being will hold grudges because of someone's background; but what should be expected, and certainly is in Labour's grassroots, is a commitment to minimising social inequity in this country: conservatism does not allow for this, and Eton I reason does not afford its pupils too much education in the levels of relative poverty in the UK
Seriously, make your posts about something that should really matter politically, such as whether or not taxes should be cut, rather than questions such as this that echo the petty distractions of the jab by Brown that you mentioned.
This is a mute point in that the vast majority of politicians in our country have privileged background, who cares whether or not they went to Eton? It's this kind of argument that detracts from the discussion of real issues.
I hope the political candidates focus on discussing policy on Thursday nights debate, rather than making vague rhetorical points with the emphasis on a pleasant televisual presentation.
Yes I do. Over half the Tory shadow cabinet were born millionaires. They plan to give tax cuts to the richest 3000 families in Britain by making a priority of cutting inheritance tax when the country is tring to recover from a financial crisis.
They don't understand how ordinary people live and I don't belive they care about them.
@mathnawi21 But how is it fair that my dad, who is where is because of how hard he's worked, has to give away 52% of his wage to tax? it's enough money to pay an MP's entire salary. He deserves what he earns.
Well, first, he doesn't.He will have to give 50% of every pound he earns over £100,000.The high tax rate doesn't kick in except for earnings above that. Since that is 4x the average wage, I reckon your Dad will be ok.Second, it depends what kind of society you want to live in.More equal societies e.g. in Scandinavia, with much higher taxes than here have happier populations at all income levels. Less equal countries,like the US, Brazil etc are less happy and more dog eat dog.
In our materialistic society driven by corporations to satify consumers and profits, everybody is thinking about money and how to make more of it. You go to work in order to maintain a lifestyle. Everybody is aware of their own class so it's an issue.
I think it is an issue because someone with a background totally dissimilar to the majority can't understand the people as a whole.
For example, Cameron has only ever known upper/middle class life, meaning he could easily underestimate the conditions some people suffer through every day.
@Slapbass13 Maybe it is, but it's necessary. I don't think we should have to "take that chance", as the lives of the entire population are about to be affected by his decisions. I don't think it's worth risking that on the chance that he MIGHT be one of the upper class who understands poverty. (not that I think they exist).
Besides, do you think that anyone in this country understands the conditions of third world countries like Africa? Not really. We can't understand what we haven't suffered.
I think class still matters and is very much a big issue in England. How many working class kids get into Oxbridge? Or kids from state schools? And if they do it's at a much lower rate than an upper class kid with average grades and influential parents who can slip them in because they 'know somebody'.
Such profound intellect... such a well reasoned argument! I have a very clever dog - he can roll over and everything - but he may never be as intelligent as you... but then we all need something to aspire too :D
@DrollerSquirell Thank you very much! I really thought about it and I concluded that I would bring myself down to the level of a YouTuber. I have never seen any YouTuber worthy of a sophisticated intellectual argument; nor can a YouTuber sustain one. I have no faith in the fool in this video (he dyes his hair in every new video). Believe me he does not believe in himself; He knows it's all about getting attention. I consider him about as low as the shit on my shoe.
@tryanjohnson wow, the troll insults other peoples intelligence... what is the world coming to. Where is your "sophisticated intellectual argument" then?
personally I dont think class really matters anymore. If asked I say that I am working class as I live in an ex mining village and the professions of my parents but I think prtdonally that the working class and proud point of view is crap and is nothing more than inverted snobbery as though a person living on my street would be ashamed of one of ther children becoming a doctor or a barraster its silly to me its an old concept we should have grown out of by now
Clause IV as i am to believe was ammended considerably by Blair. This clause was what gave the Labour Party its working class identity. Although change in most societies is ever present, through out the 1980s, people's (in Britain) perception of who they were changed very rapidly. It is claimed The Labour Party had to change its appeal to win votes. Moving away from the left was inevitable. Due to this, the left-right pull of British democracy has been upset. How do we regain balance?
economic class has far more importance to the majority than perceived snobbery... however, when snobbery is combined with economic class, such as eton grads... I think people will most definitely have a problem... interesting question. I do care, I think DC is a public school performing shark, I dislike him, I'd rather have gordon than him... tho I'd rather have Nick Griffin than Gordon... so that says it all really lol
it is an issue for the working class when all the people in authority are middle or upper class. people have accepted that this is how it should be and that's why people don't see it as an issue. I don't mean to get all marxist but its true!
This is just a desperate attempt by labour to salvage some votes. Being privately educated, i may even be at a disadvatage, as there is so much emphasis to benefit state pupils the private sector are ignored. Do not judge me or Cameron on our upbringing, by having more opportunites purely by luck of birth, this does not mean i am stuck up and dont care for state persons- this is not an important issue. Our government should be more concerned about policies then irrelevant background information.
although the tories tend to be from priveledged backgrounds something like 3/4 of mps were privately educated so its not just them who are posh twats. its the whole political class.
I don't really care about class, unless someone is arrogant because of it. I think what Gordon Brown was getting at was how the Tories again and again have tried to benefit the rich with their policies.
But I don't think that just because someone has a lot of money they are stuck-up. Neither do I think that builders are the dregs of society. People should be more accepting. Think with their hearts rather than their wallets.
I think that to some extent the oppertunities that you would get from being in a certain class have reversed. People now are so concerned with being politically correct that they might not employ someone who went to Oxford over someone who went to, say, the UEA because this may be seen as discrimination.
I totally agree that everyone should have equal oppertunities to get to a good university like Oxford, but you have to remember that they were clever enough to be accepted there.
The fact that David Carmeron thinks he can leave a bike tied to a bollard in the middle of a big city, shows pefectly how much he understands real life!
But aslong as it's not the BNP, it's embarrassing enough that they represent us in the EU.
You were "acutely aware" that your grandparents were working class and yet class was never an issue for you? Oxymoron?
Understand what you just said there and you might come to the realisation that Britain is utterly dominated by the class system and it is *only* the middle and "upper" class, in these PC correct times, who like to pretend or perpetuate the lie that class is no longer an issue in Britain.
It is an issue. Always was, always will be. End of.
I havnt seen a class barrier present in my life, name a situation where class actually matters.
You don't need it for school, transport, healthcare (to a degree) have you ever been turned away at a restaurant because they didn't think you were what they wanted?
I didn't really realise I was middle class until about two years ago, and I'm eighteen.
I'm not entirely sure hat Cameron and his colleagues' upringings are entirely relevant to the election - after all, they'll probably get in because everyone is disillusioned with labour, have their time and be voted out for the same reason; it's how politics works. We now have class and partisan dealignment to a much greater extent, so maybe it matters to some people but...
It's terrifying that Tories are in the lead in the polls. I think class in less apparent to the upper classes as a lot don't appreciate what people with little money and on benefits have to deal with and the Tories policies very much benefit the higher class firstly.
The only class that really gets on my nerves happens to be the so called 'political class'...and I don't know about everyone else but I have become so disillusioned with all the mainstream parties that I don't feel compelled to vote for any of them...it's basically damage control to choose the one that will cause the least harm. Maybe I'll just throw my vote away on UKIP.
I'm Canadian and don't pay attention to International politics, I don't really have an opinion on Cameron going to Eton.
For me class has always been: those who are greatly better off than me, those who are like me, and those who are worse off than me, but I've never really paid attention to it. I took a class on class this year though, and it opened my eyes to all the privileges class can give. Being able to write to you now is one of my privileges.
I think the green party is getting my vote, since its about time we as a nation start need to start thinking of the bigger picture right now.
The climate change is going to affect us so much more in years to come then we could possibley imagine.
Years before, i was totally for labour, but right now such politics is becoming so insignificant to me when compared to the crisis we're going to have to deal with.
I don't have a problem with the fact that Cameron went to Eton - but I do have a problem with the fact that he is, an out-of-touch Toff. : )
That said, that will not necessarily preclude me from voting for him. This country needs a change of government, and Cameron has more gravitas than Clegg.
But all things considered, a Lib-Lab or Lib-Con co-alition would probably be better than an all Tory government...
Both parties are about the same nowadays, to be perfectly honest.
Because of First Past the Post we have to decide who's the least 'posh' between two dictorical governments who are as bad as each other.
Vote Liberal Democrats! If you don't agree with their policies, at the very least, they'll give us Proportional Representation, which means future governments will be much fairer, and your votes will no longer be wasted if you don't want Labour or Tories!
I go to a private school and class never really bothers me or my mates. I'm friends with a load of people who go to a range of state schools. Granted there're some pretentious idiots in our school who would be stupid about class, but at the end of the day, wherever you go there are always going to be idiots and in my exprience they're not representative of the majority of people at private schools.
I am definitely aware, i dont go to a private school, but its not REALLY rough. Some people really are poor or a bit rough but there is quite a range. However, i dont have an accent (im from newcastle) so for the first year of school i was called posh. It was meant as a joke not in a really mean way. But there was definitely a divide, private school pupils DEFINITELY make the thing into a division. Sneers and things are often exchanged when we pass them in their bland classrooms and prim uniform
It does bother me that alot of poloticans are upper and middle class becuase they dont understand how awful some things can be if they have never been through it. For example, i live in a council flat and we have mold in every room except one. We phoned the council months ago and they have done nothing. I dont see upper middle class poloticians caring about these things.
@PinkMilkAndCookies alot of places are mouldy these days ,prob due to the high levels of co2 but anyway , mine is like 180 years old the plumbing is vintage too and was mouldy threwout , i highly recomend polycell 3 in1 mould killer just spray it on then wipe after several hours then brush over with pva mine was by evo stik to seal out further damp and get the walls looking new again cost about 50 quid in total just bill it to the council i guess but yeah standards are low these days
It does bother me that politics has a disproportionate number of people who come from a few select schools and universities because politicians should represent the diversity of people in the country whether that be in terms of race, gender, sexuality or class. A variety of people generates a variety of ideas and policies.
That being said, I think Gordan Brown's comment was petty. If he doesn't like a policy he should say why it won't work. He should be above making snide comments.
I am in the hideously awkward position of being middle class where a lot of my friends are working class, and I do definitely feel that distinction sometimes and can sometimes be embarrassed of my own priveleged upbringing, so yes, I think class definitely still matters, but I'm so undecided on whether it SHOULD matter or not.
I don't think it really matters, I think it only really matters unless it affects who they are, which admittedly it does, but I don't have a problem with the class system as an idea, other than the effect that it could have on people.
jolly gosh indeed i think it does matter i remmeber when schools employers housing wouldnt take you on simply because of your postcode and wouldnt surprise me if it still occurs today, im not bothered about class really but i know they look after there own so would vote for a mix ,would never vote for an all upper class or working class party as they would only exclude others
I'm an American, but I do live in England. The general consensus that I am feeling among my friends is that the Conservative party is going to win this year. I don't think the class system should really matter very much. I come from the middle class. I don't think any politician can truly say that they can solidly represent the working class because most of them are upper class. At least that means they've gotten a good education.
It do matters. To working class people like myself, high class politicians thinking they know what our life is like is one of the most offensive things. We like having people we can relate more to, than some posh toff. Of course most politicians are going to come from Eton & Oxbridge backgrounds - and there isn't much we can do about that since I personally wouldn't want some idiot chav from my estate either...
I honestly don't know too much about British politics but when it comes to class and politicians, politicians will always be of an upper class whether they want to admit it or not. Sure they may have coem from "humble beginnings" so to speak but by the time they're "grown ups" they've acquired a lot of wealth and have moved on simply because it's impossible to run for any public office without a ridiculous amount of money making it easy for them to forget about the "normal people"
In Britain, Class isn't all about wealth. That's a common mistake.
You can take a working class man, have him win the lottery, but he'll still be that working class man. The way he acts, talks, his apprroach to politics.
Your humble beginnings can affect the rest of your life. That working class man would still have the same political views he had before. Wealth CAN be linked to class, but it isn't always.
I don't really care about the fact they went to Eton or not - I've just finished my first term at Cambridge and to me it matters more if people from schools Eton, or even selective schools, believe they understand what rough-ish state schools are like when they don't.
I don't care if you went to Eton or your local comp as long as you admit that you probably don't really have a clue what the other was truely like to live through.
Using class as some sort of negative influencer is just as pure a racism as using the colour of your skin or your sexuality to separate you. Who cares where people went to school. I care that they can lead this country out of its mess and leaders are born and educated eveywhere (not just Eton) and will be ultimately judged on their words and deeds.
I also think its very telling and perhaps unfortunate that anyone wishing to make a point on the subject of class and the British class system must first state their own class and background.
What I think people might be forgetting is that the education provided at these feepaying, high flying places such as Eton is almost always superior to the education provided at local comps, if it weren't, parents would be less likely to pay (bar the superior extra curricula activites, grounds, tradition etc.). Surely we want MPs to be the cream of our society, and the idea that they may be out of touch is subjective, rather than a label to be branded on anyone who has a priveliged education.
You can see the conservatism running rife and thick trhough your veins withthat comment 'surely we MP's to be the cream of our society' No. That's NOT what democracy and government is about. It's about the people, and to rule the people is to be one of them, not towering above them.
It's a complete travesty to even suggest thats how things should be run. I want the people leading me, to know who they're leading.
@tomgftw, I agree with you entirely. You have misunderstood my comment.
I believe that every person in society should have an equal opportunity to rise to the top. And the cream is the rising to the top. This cream is INTELLECTUAL cream, not social, and should be indiscriminate, as regards to class system. Therefore, your man from a less priveleged back ground should have an equal chance regardless of parental background. To achieve this, it has to be financially possible.
So apparently the complaint is over the elitism of the privileged, making it a wedge issue with the working class. What's being left out is the fact that those elite colleges usually offer the best education available. It's not a guarantee of turning out well (Bush went to Harvard & Yale, but Clinton was a Rhodes scholar who went to Oxford), but it can be an indicator that good is possible. Better to attack their not being in touch with the regular people than to attack their excellent education
To think it no longer exists is completely ignorant. As brilliant as the education reforms in labour's time have been, when it comes to colleges and university, i still feel they favour the upper classes so much more. I certainly felt that when choosing my college, and am feeling it again after having chosen universities.
Politics NEEDS to come back to being about the people, the MAJORITY who are NOT from eton. We need leadership that isn't out of touch with the people...
I think class is still a big issue. Speaking as a working class lad, from a working class northern area - it really is. Obviously middle and upper classes think it's not an issue, but it really is. As much as i dislike harriet harman, she did raise the point a while ago that we can't just ignore it.
I'd much rather have a PM that came from the same area than me, because politics isn't and should never be, about elitism.
Hmm, does class bother me? I'd like to say no, I really, really would, but I can't. It hasn't really affected me but it's noticable. I've done both, I went to a comp for 5 years and then moved to a private school for 6th form. Though I always feel like the comp was my school, never really fit in the private one. It's a little, can someone who has only known a priviledged and private school existence truly be able to represent everyone? But then, is labour really all that different to the Tories?
No-one chooses which secondary school they went to, so you can't blame someone for having gone to Eton. I'd much rather have a competent leader who was good at their job, than someone who came from the same background as me.
@thetreeorthebear I'm sorry to say this.. but people DO choose what secondary school they went to, the majority anyway. I chose to go to a comp, when I had also applied and been accepted to a private school (more to just prove to my parents I could then anything else :P). What I'm trying to say is, a person can choose which secondary school they go to, the question is what are their motives and background for choosing it.
@thetreeorthebear Though I do agree with rather having a competent leader (whoever that is, looking at Britain's political climate atm, I can't really see any :P) than having someone who came from the same background as me.
I didn't realise that class was such a big issue within politics over in the UK, Over here in Australia there is minimal difference between classes, well not obvious political scrutiny anyway! - thats my two cents worth! hope china is well Jazza! Merry christmas and a happy new year!! :D
ya because iv been to private school and people do care because people feel there out of touch because the only thing they dont have to worry about weather there have enough money to eat or for clothes but some people do and its the same with labour but there more modest there not so much there more working class anyone whos in the government are well educated witch is a good thing but to be well educated you have to be well of so anyone we get is going to be out of touch with the average man
Although it sounds unpleasant, class is actually something that matters to most people (sadly enough) But really, getting into a class based war seems like an extremely scummy way to get through to voters, of any class. *stating the obvious* Argh.
"I was acutely aware that my grandparents had come from working class backgrounds"
The way you said this makes me wonder if you have mistaken the meaning of acutely in this context. It could be mistaken as meaning semi-aware, or aware to a small degree since in a pie chart an acute angle would result in a small section; in fact it means sharply or keenly aware.
I'm not looking to pick on your grammar, I'm just interested in what you meant as I found your video very interesting.
I am appalled that class matters in the way it does. As an Eton graduate who grew up in a large manor house on the moors, I find it despicable the way my school is being treated so negatively. I don't blame the lowly buggars who hate us. They're poor, smelly, ignorant blokes. We must treat inferiors gently, withholding information much like we yank their chains in the job market. Only by patting the silly "kids" on the head like this can they be turned into productive members of society.
... No, of course not. I'm not even a Britishican citizen. I'm American. I've never even visited the British Aisles in my life, mate.
... but, jokes aside, I'm against having class matter that much. It matters in the extreme in America, but here we intentionally mislabel it by race or gender.
For many Americans, "the people" either mean "poor" or "black" or "the man" (by feminists). It's true from the reverse, as well. Oddly, we also frequently hate the poor. We're schizophrenic, in that sense.
I'm so anti labour, like Gordon Brown actually makes me want to smack someone... I'm a Tory supporter, but I hate that people judge me for it. I'm rubbish at defending my reasons for supporting someone, so I can't get in to this properly - but I just wanted to say your videos are always awesome!
aw, thanks. I think our generation is going to grow up with the same disdain for the labour party that a lot of my parents' generation did with Thatcher's Conservatives. To be fair, you are always going to be judged as soon as you mention what party you openly support. It is why I have never mentioned my affiliation on here (to be fair I don't really have one). So i commend you for having the guts to be so open about it.
I don't know what school Grdon Brown was at, but isn't it likely that it was Scotland's equivlent of Eton, and that if Brown was schooled in England he would have been at Eton himself..?
No, because us tories admire the fact that parents would rather send their children to private school than a crappy public one and waste the money on holidays and alcohol.
ForeverComplaining 1 month ago
Of course it matters.
The average UK salary is £25,543. What is that? Working class/ lower middle class.
So how can a man who is practically an aristocrat have any idea on how to run a country beneficial for the working majority. He has no idea how the 'other half', the majority live-so how can he be leader of them?
TashesxD 7 months ago
They are as bad as eachother in the long run
ibidydo 8 months ago
Labour only care about dole scroungers not people that work for a living.
darkstar3x16 9 months ago
@darkstar3x16 Then why is his political party called-Labour? Look up that definition, you seem to be in utter ignorance.
The conservatives are technically for the upper class. It is the upper class who does not work, as they are rich in inheritance.
Labour is for the working and middle class, for the people who earn their money, not inherit it.
Fool. Could you have been more wrong?
TashesxD 7 months ago
@TashesxD Yes, that's the irony they're called labour but their policies seem to deter it. 'utter ignorance', mr. hypocrit, I think you ought to also be aware not to take things at face value, pressuming that because a party is called one thing they live up to it. The Nazi party was called Socialist, they were anything but.
ForeverComplaining 1 month ago
@TashesxD Labour are not for us working class people, they simply move filthy little under class vermin into our areas, damaging house prices and ruining the area. Hackney, Hounslow. Slough. A few of the many areas around London which labour have destroyed.
However, do you know of any areas where there's a tory land slide that are in a state? as I don't, because conservative policy works!
ForeverComplaining 1 month ago
I've never watched your videos before -- excellent job!
RedTory59 1 year ago
coming from a council estate in liverpool watching my family struggle. class matters at the end of the day if your from a good background and you mess up mummy and daddy will always be the for you If I mess up were do I go to work in B&Q with my dad? i watch the people in my school those who don't have to work and do there school work moaning about ema.
class and money only matter when you don't have it and are at the bottom, it doesn't bother you because you've never had to think about it
lottielovelife 1 year ago
@lottielovelife I agree, however being working class is simply down to your parents irresponsibility.
Your parents most likely smoke, have a holiday every year, have a car, go to the pub, buy alcohol. If they didn't buy those luxuries and invested them in a savings account, you wouldn't suffer as you would be able to work, save up and get a mortgage.
But your type have this attitude which makes you fatalistic, it makes you think getting to the top is like climbing everest... It is not!
ForeverComplaining 1 month ago
@ForeverComplaining hi this is clearly old but I noticed what you said about my parents and won't have that said at all, neither of my parents have smoked for 20 years, they drink very occasionally the last time my mother stepped in to a pub was when she worked behind one, I haven't been on a holiday since I was 7 and that was a weekend in Devon. I don't live in an episode of cornination street. More likely the reason is that my parents never got the best of educations, my dad worked ....
lottielovelife 1 month ago
@ForeverComplaining he was 13 my Grandmother was a single parent form italy after her husband died when he was 3, leaving her with 5 kids on her own, and getting to the top isn't everest, but climbing any mountain is easier with a harness isn't it??
lottielovelife 1 month ago
@lottielovelife oh, and my mother has never been unemployed for longer than 3 months in her whole life and that was only to look after my dying gran. So please do not start talking about my family like were scum thank you. because you will never meet harder working, kinder people in your whole life.
lottielovelife 1 month ago
I think the problem with having a prime minster and the cronies around him from one specific area of life is that they don't kno what it's like on the other side George Osborne did a modern history degree his only economic experience being when he was a cashier at Selfridges.
compared to Ed Millaband, who did a PPE degree at oxford which he got a scholarship for, and went to a comprehensive school
I would personally like to see qualified politicians running the country
lottielovelife 1 year ago
@lottielovelife I think what you're trying to say is that if someone doesn't have a degree, in a privelleged university like Oxford, then they simply don't have a right to talk about politics and should be disenfranchised.
Well I have complete contempt for your ideas and I think you ought ashamed of yourself, as it really does contradict your left-wing argument.
ForeverComplaining 1 month ago
@ForeverComplaining No, I believe Cameron went to oxford ... didn't do him much good what I want is a government made up of people who know what this country is really like, not just some stereotypical view, and have had an education enough that I can trust that when they look at a economic report they can understand it and decipher it properly which I don't believe cameron can.
lottielovelife 1 month ago
Brown is an anti-Enlish racist. He doesn't like the fact that Cameron went to an Enlish public school, but is quite happy that the war-criminal Blair went to a Scottish public school.
TheZanipolo 1 year ago
I think it does matter. It matters because of the policies that the tories like to inforce. They like to limit the state which means make it so rich people pay less tax and poor people get less help. So If someone was to do this coming from a poor or rich background would have an effect on their popularity. So it does matter.
redface626 1 year ago
@redface626 You would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich, I have the same contempt for your socialist ideas as the people of Eastern Europe who've experienced them.
ForeverComplaining 1 month ago
@redface626 The Labour front bench is full of toffs, does that matter?
usainlightning 1 month ago
I am a private school chap sort of upper middle class and private school so I know what background the Tories come from but also labour members went to private schools too so they can`t talk.
petertheallblack 1 year ago
@petertheallblack Exactly. You shouldn't have to feel guilty, because your parents saved up their money and invested it in your future, you should feel proud of yourself.
However labour don't like people saving money and investing it, they want everyone to live in council houses, and waste their money on cigarettes, alcohol and be state dependant.
ForeverComplaining 1 month ago
The ironic thing about Eton, Harrow etc. is that they were originally created to educate poor children. Before compulsory education was enacted the best hope for a poor but honest child was a place at one of those schools.
Cameron and Clegg are both highly educated and very wealthy men. However they have little knowledge or understanding of the problems of working class people due to their privileged position in society.
PS - Don't attempt impersonations are you are crap at them!
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cat1995jesus 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but this is a bit of a nonsense. How many Labour politicians are Oxbridge educated? A good deal of the "higher ups" I'd happily wager. Now, before people start, I didn't and have never attended either public school, or Oxbridge, but I find it staggeringly hypocritical of Labour to push this. Many senior Lib Dem party members are also similar in this regard.
Face it, when it comes to running the country, we're not going to want some flat cap wearing, whippet breeder talking to Obama.
Jude2Mahoney 1 year ago
Don't hate on Eton.
ne1l007 1 year ago 2
It is an issue for the working class, who cannot be reasonably represented by someone who has never been working class.
I wouldnt trust a private schooled individual to run the public school system either, for similar reasons, unless they ran a particularly good private school and did a good job of it.
sketchydc 1 year ago
no i don't but what i don't understand is
1) why people don't want Oxbridge educated government
2)why people care about eton and cameron when osbourne wil soon be a bloody baronet!
SirOneoneselfandone 1 year ago
@SirOneoneselfandone
I dont care about a university educated government (ministers at least.) in fact i support it wholeheartedly (other than long-serving politicians who have proven their competence without a diploma), but the backbenches should be proportional, they dont do much paperwork or anything, they are their to represent he nation.
sketchydc 1 year ago
I don't care, as I think it is naive to say that someone with a background totally dissimilar to the majority can't understand the people as a whole. I think that to be become an MP, going into politics is to leave the circumstances of your pedigree and exchange it for political philosophy.
Slapbass13 1 year ago
I think Cameron's education does put him out of touch with the majority of the people in the nation. Although, Clegg's education was as toffish as Cameron's too.
ToManyPhones 1 year ago
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Tuathalful 1 year ago
yeah, you are contradicting yourself. It's not about their specific background- it's the implication that holds for their ideology. Yes, the likes of Milliband had privileged backgrounds, but they aren't warped in their world-view as a result. Rather, they genuinely care about the depths of social inequality in this country- that is why they baulk at inheritance tax-cuts for the few and job-cuts for the many. Cameron is a one man modernising experiment for conservatism; one which is slowing
david1ch 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure that if any school in the country teaches its pupils how to run the country, its Eton. So why not!?
To hate somebody because they were born posh is as bad as to hate somebody because they were born poor. But this nation loves to have a chip on its shoulder, eh?
Get a grip!
electrocinderella 1 year ago
@electrocinderella
Afraid not, no reasonable human being will hold grudges because of someone's background; but what should be expected, and certainly is in Labour's grassroots, is a commitment to minimising social inequity in this country: conservatism does not allow for this, and Eton I reason does not afford its pupils too much education in the levels of relative poverty in the UK
david1ch 1 year ago
@david1ch
Fair enough, a good point. I won't argue with you there, Eton hardly offers an average snapshot of life in Britain.. I just wonder, to what degree?
electrocinderella 1 year ago
Seriously, make your posts about something that should really matter politically, such as whether or not taxes should be cut, rather than questions such as this that echo the petty distractions of the jab by Brown that you mentioned.
Dani7233 1 year ago
This is a mute point in that the vast majority of politicians in our country have privileged background, who cares whether or not they went to Eton? It's this kind of argument that detracts from the discussion of real issues.
I hope the political candidates focus on discussing policy on Thursday nights debate, rather than making vague rhetorical points with the emphasis on a pleasant televisual presentation.
Dani7233 1 year ago
@Dani7233 Psst... it's a moot point, not a mute one. =)
echoesoftruth 1 year ago
You should watch my video i've just posted about the REAL Nick Clegg for any British people out there : )
pariswannabe02 1 year ago
Its not David Cameron's fault he went to Eton, his parents sent him there.
nobcheesy 1 year ago 2
Yes I do. Over half the Tory shadow cabinet were born millionaires. They plan to give tax cuts to the richest 3000 families in Britain by making a priority of cutting inheritance tax when the country is tring to recover from a financial crisis.
They don't understand how ordinary people live and I don't belive they care about them.
mathnawi21 1 year ago
@mathnawi21 But how is it fair that my dad, who is where is because of how hard he's worked, has to give away 52% of his wage to tax? it's enough money to pay an MP's entire salary. He deserves what he earns.
emmaagogo 1 year ago
@emmaagogo
Well, first, he doesn't.He will have to give 50% of every pound he earns over £100,000.The high tax rate doesn't kick in except for earnings above that. Since that is 4x the average wage, I reckon your Dad will be ok.Second, it depends what kind of society you want to live in.More equal societies e.g. in Scandinavia, with much higher taxes than here have happier populations at all income levels. Less equal countries,like the US, Brazil etc are less happy and more dog eat dog.
mathnawi21 1 year ago
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Tuathalful 1 year ago
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tryanjohnson 1 year ago
In our materialistic society driven by corporations to satify consumers and profits, everybody is thinking about money and how to make more of it. You go to work in order to maintain a lifestyle. Everybody is aware of their own class so it's an issue.
Pepper6464 1 year ago
I think it is an issue because someone with a background totally dissimilar to the majority can't understand the people as a whole.
For example, Cameron has only ever known upper/middle class life, meaning he could easily underestimate the conditions some people suffer through every day.
LunarEcli 1 year ago 6
@LunarEcli Thats incredibly judgemental and assumtuous of you.
Slapbass13 1 year ago
@Slapbass13 Maybe it is, but it's necessary. I don't think we should have to "take that chance", as the lives of the entire population are about to be affected by his decisions. I don't think it's worth risking that on the chance that he MIGHT be one of the upper class who understands poverty. (not that I think they exist).
Besides, do you think that anyone in this country understands the conditions of third world countries like Africa? Not really. We can't understand what we haven't suffered.
LunarEcli 1 year ago
@LunarEcli There are plenty of upper class people in the Labour party. Heard of tony benn?
usainlightning 1 year ago
@usainlightning Yes and shaun woodward - a multi-millionaire.
ForeverComplaining 1 month ago
I think class still matters and is very much a big issue in England. How many working class kids get into Oxbridge? Or kids from state schools? And if they do it's at a much lower rate than an upper class kid with average grades and influential parents who can slip them in because they 'know somebody'.
NicHklas9Nevermind 1 year ago
I don't care about "class". It sounds like we are back in the Victorian Era. I agreeee with youuuu :)
ThePelican21 1 year ago 2
No you don't sound really Essexy you sound like a cunt!
mistaben2k 1 year ago
Good for you. :) I'm a fan..
wasabied 1 year ago
The guy in this video sucks dicks. He is homosexual. Beware of British gay boys.
tryanjohnson 1 year ago
Such profound intellect... such a well reasoned argument! I have a very clever dog - he can roll over and everything - but he may never be as intelligent as you... but then we all need something to aspire too :D
DrollerSquirell 1 year ago
@DrollerSquirell Thank you very much! I really thought about it and I concluded that I would bring myself down to the level of a YouTuber. I have never seen any YouTuber worthy of a sophisticated intellectual argument; nor can a YouTuber sustain one. I have no faith in the fool in this video (he dyes his hair in every new video). Believe me he does not believe in himself; He knows it's all about getting attention. I consider him about as low as the shit on my shoe.
tryanjohnson 1 year ago
@tryanjohnson wow, the troll insults other peoples intelligence... what is the world coming to. Where is your "sophisticated intellectual argument" then?
P.S. I tend to avoid stepping in shit ;)
05swanbe 1 year ago
Shut up fag boy. Done sucking off your boyfriend and wants to talk politics.
tryanjohnson 1 year ago
personally I dont think class really matters anymore. If asked I say that I am working class as I live in an ex mining village and the professions of my parents but I think prtdonally that the working class and proud point of view is crap and is nothing more than inverted snobbery as though a person living on my street would be ashamed of one of ther children becoming a doctor or a barraster its silly to me its an old concept we should have grown out of by now
dalehotchkiss 1 year ago
you are upper class so you should kill yourself if you're a true and proper socialist
TheZanipolo 1 year ago
Clause IV as i am to believe was ammended considerably by Blair. This clause was what gave the Labour Party its working class identity. Although change in most societies is ever present, through out the 1980s, people's (in Britain) perception of who they were changed very rapidly. It is claimed The Labour Party had to change its appeal to win votes. Moving away from the left was inevitable. Due to this, the left-right pull of British democracy has been upset. How do we regain balance?
ibitron1 2 years ago
economic class has far more importance to the majority than perceived snobbery... however, when snobbery is combined with economic class, such as eton grads... I think people will most definitely have a problem... interesting question. I do care, I think DC is a public school performing shark, I dislike him, I'd rather have gordon than him... tho I'd rather have Nick Griffin than Gordon... so that says it all really lol
fullywoolly 2 years ago
Hey, its another self-righteous middle class student with a lisp!
TheTVLicence 2 years ago
LOL! Who would actually listen to this toff who lives out in the sticks?
Vote BNP
TheEnglishwanker 2 years ago
loving the name. Emphasis on the wanker bit.
05swanbe 1 year ago
I just hate Brown.
Btw, this has to be the dorkiest video of yours that I've ever watched :L
trueglowstickfashion 2 years ago
Everything boils down to the matter of class
freddieweddieful 2 years ago
Upper-middle-lower-upper-muddle class background?
Your genealogy making me a feel a bit queasy. Your fun. Sorry, Cameron yummy, bugger Eton.
CaitCausesChaos 2 years ago
Who cares they r all crooks anyway!
anyfekinnamewilldo 2 years ago
I don't care if Cameron went to eton. I care about who his mack daddy is, and unfortunately its the same as Browns (rothschilds).
roflcopter2006 2 years ago
it is an issue for the working class when all the people in authority are middle or upper class. people have accepted that this is how it should be and that's why people don't see it as an issue. I don't mean to get all marxist but its true!
And don't vote for those neo-nazi wankers.
chrisgibson93 2 years ago
This is just a desperate attempt by labour to salvage some votes. Being privately educated, i may even be at a disadvatage, as there is so much emphasis to benefit state pupils the private sector are ignored. Do not judge me or Cameron on our upbringing, by having more opportunites purely by luck of birth, this does not mean i am stuck up and dont care for state persons- this is not an important issue. Our government should be more concerned about policies then irrelevant background information.
emmaagogo 2 years ago 2
although the tories tend to be from priveledged backgrounds something like 3/4 of mps were privately educated so its not just them who are posh twats. its the whole political class.
lithfrasir 2 years ago
VOTE BNP
illuminatedSlave 2 years ago
asshole
05swanbe 1 year ago
@05swanbe
asshole ? do you mean arsehole ?
and...why ?
illuminatedSlave 1 year ago
get a life u sad cunt.get laid u lottle cocksucker.spouting shite because you have no friends.die of cancer u cunt
36crazyguy 2 years ago
class isnt as important as it used to be, but it is still and issue, with no real solution.
I am dreading a tory government because of their ignorance when it comes to the working class, and their apparent lack of caring about them too.
however in reality labour are not much better and lib dems are unlikely to get anywhere... and probably wont be either.
nunnible 2 years ago
hahahah Im gonna be honest. . . I thaught you sounded Austrailian there. . . lol
irishcloggy 2 years ago
I don't really care about class, unless someone is arrogant because of it. I think what Gordon Brown was getting at was how the Tories again and again have tried to benefit the rich with their policies.
But I don't think that just because someone has a lot of money they are stuck-up. Neither do I think that builders are the dregs of society. People should be more accepting. Think with their hearts rather than their wallets.
myownprivatejoke 2 years ago 9
@myownprivatejoke I would prefer they thought with their brains.
TheJinkedful 11 months ago
I think that to some extent the oppertunities that you would get from being in a certain class have reversed. People now are so concerned with being politically correct that they might not employ someone who went to Oxford over someone who went to, say, the UEA because this may be seen as discrimination.
I totally agree that everyone should have equal oppertunities to get to a good university like Oxford, but you have to remember that they were clever enough to be accepted there.
Mustardness 2 years ago 2
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Ding59o 2 years ago
I reccomend you to play some music in the background. You kinda lost me half way through...
EveryoneLovesBlondes 2 years ago
@EveryoneLovesBlondes fuck you
brainfreeze242 2 years ago 2
The fact that David Carmeron thinks he can leave a bike tied to a bollard in the middle of a big city, shows pefectly how much he understands real life!
But aslong as it's not the BNP, it's embarrassing enough that they represent us in the EU.
Daniefab 2 years ago
You were "acutely aware" that your grandparents were working class and yet class was never an issue for you? Oxymoron?
Understand what you just said there and you might come to the realisation that Britain is utterly dominated by the class system and it is *only* the middle and "upper" class, in these PC correct times, who like to pretend or perpetuate the lie that class is no longer an issue in Britain.
It is an issue. Always was, always will be. End of.
anonymous0sod 2 years ago
I havnt seen a class barrier present in my life, name a situation where class actually matters.
You don't need it for school, transport, healthcare (to a degree) have you ever been turned away at a restaurant because they didn't think you were what they wanted?
Manovmilk 2 years ago
@anonymous0sod you suck
brainfreeze242 2 years ago
Well, it doesn't bother me that 'please call me dave' went to Eton.. Best person for the job, that's what I say.
bnpsucks 2 years ago
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deathbyclownage 2 years ago
I didn't really realise I was middle class until about two years ago, and I'm eighteen.
I'm not entirely sure hat Cameron and his colleagues' upringings are entirely relevant to the election - after all, they'll probably get in because everyone is disillusioned with labour, have their time and be voted out for the same reason; it's how politics works. We now have class and partisan dealignment to a much greater extent, so maybe it matters to some people but...
jochannel 2 years ago
labour and conservative have become pretty much the same thing these days... cameron/browne = both puppets.
daveyboyz 2 years ago 2
It's terrifying that Tories are in the lead in the polls. I think class in less apparent to the upper classes as a lot don't appreciate what people with little money and on benefits have to deal with and the Tories policies very much benefit the higher class firstly.
ItsJeanHere 2 years ago 2
am i going crazy or has your hair colour changed?
honeyx0x 2 years ago
The only class that really gets on my nerves happens to be the so called 'political class'...and I don't know about everyone else but I have become so disillusioned with all the mainstream parties that I don't feel compelled to vote for any of them...it's basically damage control to choose the one that will cause the least harm. Maybe I'll just throw my vote away on UKIP.
OrgasmandTea 2 years ago
I'm Canadian and don't pay attention to International politics, I don't really have an opinion on Cameron going to Eton.
For me class has always been: those who are greatly better off than me, those who are like me, and those who are worse off than me, but I've never really paid attention to it. I took a class on class this year though, and it opened my eyes to all the privileges class can give. Being able to write to you now is one of my privileges.
MegTao 2 years ago 3
politician = self serving muppet regardless of thier political stance
MasterOfSuprise 2 years ago
I think the green party is getting my vote, since its about time we as a nation start need to start thinking of the bigger picture right now.
The climate change is going to affect us so much more in years to come then we could possibley imagine.
Years before, i was totally for labour, but right now such politics is becoming so insignificant to me when compared to the crisis we're going to have to deal with.
gabishmabi 2 years ago
How will it affect us?
MrBouse3 2 years ago
I don't have a problem with the fact that Cameron went to Eton - but I do have a problem with the fact that he is, an out-of-touch Toff. : )
That said, that will not necessarily preclude me from voting for him. This country needs a change of government, and Cameron has more gravitas than Clegg.
But all things considered, a Lib-Lab or Lib-Con co-alition would probably be better than an all Tory government...
JoelJoel321 2 years ago 2
Both parties are about the same nowadays, to be perfectly honest.
Because of First Past the Post we have to decide who's the least 'posh' between two dictorical governments who are as bad as each other.
Vote Liberal Democrats! If you don't agree with their policies, at the very least, they'll give us Proportional Representation, which means future governments will be much fairer, and your votes will no longer be wasted if you don't want Labour or Tories!
MechanicalxHeart 2 years ago
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jindydude1 2 years ago 3
It does bother me with the politicans are mainly upper class because I cant relate to them on certain aspects.
Had a great christmas and happy new year to you Jazza.
BarryAldridge 2 years ago
Haha! I love the "I do" at 2:04!
XspaghettimonsterX 2 years ago
I go to a private school and class never really bothers me or my mates. I'm friends with a load of people who go to a range of state schools. Granted there're some pretentious idiots in our school who would be stupid about class, but at the end of the day, wherever you go there are always going to be idiots and in my exprience they're not representative of the majority of people at private schools.
TheDL101 2 years ago
I am definitely aware, i dont go to a private school, but its not REALLY rough. Some people really are poor or a bit rough but there is quite a range. However, i dont have an accent (im from newcastle) so for the first year of school i was called posh. It was meant as a joke not in a really mean way. But there was definitely a divide, private school pupils DEFINITELY make the thing into a division. Sneers and things are often exchanged when we pass them in their bland classrooms and prim uniform
eleanizzle1 2 years ago
omg those pikachu slippers :)
eleanizzle1 2 years ago
Do me a favour people. Turn off your TVs and realise that your two party dictatorship is not freedom. You have have no say ! Red or Blue you lose .
mmtot 2 years ago 3
It does bother me that alot of poloticans are upper and middle class becuase they dont understand how awful some things can be if they have never been through it. For example, i live in a council flat and we have mold in every room except one. We phoned the council months ago and they have done nothing. I dont see upper middle class poloticians caring about these things.
PinkMilkAndCookies 2 years ago
@PinkMilkAndCookies alot of places are mouldy these days ,prob due to the high levels of co2 but anyway , mine is like 180 years old the plumbing is vintage too and was mouldy threwout , i highly recomend polycell 3 in1 mould killer just spray it on then wipe after several hours then brush over with pva mine was by evo stik to seal out further damp and get the walls looking new again cost about 50 quid in total just bill it to the council i guess but yeah standards are low these days
amimod 2 years ago
btw should sort it soon as its not healthy to breath in ,can be poisonous
amimod 2 years ago
It does bother me that politics has a disproportionate number of people who come from a few select schools and universities because politicians should represent the diversity of people in the country whether that be in terms of race, gender, sexuality or class. A variety of people generates a variety of ideas and policies.
That being said, I think Gordan Brown's comment was petty. If he doesn't like a policy he should say why it won't work. He should be above making snide comments.
findingmyvoice 2 years ago
I am in the hideously awkward position of being middle class where a lot of my friends are working class, and I do definitely feel that distinction sometimes and can sometimes be embarrassed of my own priveleged upbringing, so yes, I think class definitely still matters, but I'm so undecided on whether it SHOULD matter or not.
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MrBouse3 2 years ago
Okay, my basic answer is :
I don't think it really matters, I think it only really matters unless it affects who they are, which admittedly it does, but I don't have a problem with the class system as an idea, other than the effect that it could have on people.
IainDoc15 2 years ago
jolly gosh indeed i think it does matter i remmeber when schools employers housing wouldnt take you on simply because of your postcode and wouldnt surprise me if it still occurs today, im not bothered about class really but i know they look after there own so would vote for a mix ,would never vote for an all upper class or working class party as they would only exclude others
amimod 2 years ago
I hope you had an excellent Christmas as well!
I'm an American, but I do live in England. The general consensus that I am feeling among my friends is that the Conservative party is going to win this year. I don't think the class system should really matter very much. I come from the middle class. I don't think any politician can truly say that they can solidly represent the working class because most of them are upper class. At least that means they've gotten a good education.
magicalcombatboots 2 years ago
It do matters. To working class people like myself, high class politicians thinking they know what our life is like is one of the most offensive things. We like having people we can relate more to, than some posh toff. Of course most politicians are going to come from Eton & Oxbridge backgrounds - and there isn't much we can do about that since I personally wouldn't want some idiot chav from my estate either...
HiyoriTamura92 2 years ago
I honestly don't know too much about British politics but when it comes to class and politicians, politicians will always be of an upper class whether they want to admit it or not. Sure they may have coem from "humble beginnings" so to speak but by the time they're "grown ups" they've acquired a lot of wealth and have moved on simply because it's impossible to run for any public office without a ridiculous amount of money making it easy for them to forget about the "normal people"
maggiehanna 2 years ago
In Britain, Class isn't all about wealth. That's a common mistake.
You can take a working class man, have him win the lottery, but he'll still be that working class man. The way he acts, talks, his apprroach to politics.
Your humble beginnings can affect the rest of your life. That working class man would still have the same political views he had before. Wealth CAN be linked to class, but it isn't always.
tomgftw1 2 years ago 2
i dont think it should matter what class a person is from but people still do care and will look down on lower class people for no good reason.
breathexdeath 2 years ago
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thinkpeaces 2 years ago
I don't really care about the fact they went to Eton or not - I've just finished my first term at Cambridge and to me it matters more if people from schools Eton, or even selective schools, believe they understand what rough-ish state schools are like when they don't.
I don't care if you went to Eton or your local comp as long as you admit that you probably don't really have a clue what the other was truely like to live through.
Woofle1990 2 years ago
In short... no
thewolfhawk 2 years ago
Using class as some sort of negative influencer is just as pure a racism as using the colour of your skin or your sexuality to separate you. Who cares where people went to school. I care that they can lead this country out of its mess and leaders are born and educated eveywhere (not just Eton) and will be ultimately judged on their words and deeds.
wessex007 2 years ago
I also think its very telling and perhaps unfortunate that anyone wishing to make a point on the subject of class and the British class system must first state their own class and background.
Slapbass13 2 years ago
What I think people might be forgetting is that the education provided at these feepaying, high flying places such as Eton is almost always superior to the education provided at local comps, if it weren't, parents would be less likely to pay (bar the superior extra curricula activites, grounds, tradition etc.). Surely we want MPs to be the cream of our society, and the idea that they may be out of touch is subjective, rather than a label to be branded on anyone who has a priveliged education.
Slapbass13 2 years ago
What a ridiculous notion. Slapbass13.
You can see the conservatism running rife and thick trhough your veins withthat comment 'surely we MP's to be the cream of our society' No. That's NOT what democracy and government is about. It's about the people, and to rule the people is to be one of them, not towering above them.
It's a complete travesty to even suggest thats how things should be run. I want the people leading me, to know who they're leading.
tomgftw1 2 years ago
@tomgftw, I agree with you entirely. You have misunderstood my comment.
I believe that every person in society should have an equal opportunity to rise to the top. And the cream is the rising to the top. This cream is INTELLECTUAL cream, not social, and should be indiscriminate, as regards to class system. Therefore, your man from a less priveleged back ground should have an equal chance regardless of parental background. To achieve this, it has to be financially possible.
Slapbass13 2 years ago
Excellent video - agree with dafttool - "Better to attack their not being in touch with the regular people than to attack their excellent education"
10CPhil 2 years ago
So apparently the complaint is over the elitism of the privileged, making it a wedge issue with the working class. What's being left out is the fact that those elite colleges usually offer the best education available. It's not a guarantee of turning out well (Bush went to Harvard & Yale, but Clinton was a Rhodes scholar who went to Oxford), but it can be an indicator that good is possible. Better to attack their not being in touch with the regular people than to attack their excellent education
dafttool 2 years ago 2
Thanks good video
Cena60793 2 years ago
To think it no longer exists is completely ignorant. As brilliant as the education reforms in labour's time have been, when it comes to colleges and university, i still feel they favour the upper classes so much more. I certainly felt that when choosing my college, and am feeling it again after having chosen universities.
Politics NEEDS to come back to being about the people, the MAJORITY who are NOT from eton. We need leadership that isn't out of touch with the people...
tomgftw1 2 years ago
I think class is still a big issue. Speaking as a working class lad, from a working class northern area - it really is. Obviously middle and upper classes think it's not an issue, but it really is. As much as i dislike harriet harman, she did raise the point a while ago that we can't just ignore it.
I'd much rather have a PM that came from the same area than me, because politics isn't and should never be, about elitism.
tomgftw1 2 years ago
Hmm, does class bother me? I'd like to say no, I really, really would, but I can't. It hasn't really affected me but it's noticable. I've done both, I went to a comp for 5 years and then moved to a private school for 6th form. Though I always feel like the comp was my school, never really fit in the private one. It's a little, can someone who has only known a priviledged and private school existence truly be able to represent everyone? But then, is labour really all that different to the Tories?
apocalove1 2 years ago
No-one chooses which secondary school they went to, so you can't blame someone for having gone to Eton. I'd much rather have a competent leader who was good at their job, than someone who came from the same background as me.
thetreeorthebear 2 years ago
@thetreeorthebear I'm sorry to say this.. but people DO choose what secondary school they went to, the majority anyway. I chose to go to a comp, when I had also applied and been accepted to a private school (more to just prove to my parents I could then anything else :P). What I'm trying to say is, a person can choose which secondary school they go to, the question is what are their motives and background for choosing it.
apocalove1 2 years ago
@thetreeorthebear Though I do agree with rather having a competent leader (whoever that is, looking at Britain's political climate atm, I can't really see any :P) than having someone who came from the same background as me.
apocalove1 2 years ago
I didn't realise that class was such a big issue within politics over in the UK, Over here in Australia there is minimal difference between classes, well not obvious political scrutiny anyway! - thats my two cents worth! hope china is well Jazza! Merry christmas and a happy new year!! :D
BillyCider 2 years ago
hey you cut your hair!
haven't been on Youtube for a long time so this is the first time i see it :) looks nice!
xx
c0o1992 2 years ago
ya because iv been to private school and people do care because people feel there out of touch because the only thing they dont have to worry about weather there have enough money to eat or for clothes but some people do and its the same with labour but there more modest there not so much there more working class anyone whos in the government are well educated witch is a good thing but to be well educated you have to be well of so anyone we get is going to be out of touch with the average man
joeyXmcc 2 years ago
did you dye/cut your hair?
acreativealias 2 years ago
Dude, did u get a haircut? coz ur hair looks different...GREAT...just different!
u look like the guy ive liked for like ever, and i die everytime i watch ur videos, anyways ur still awesoooooooooome ^_^
keep it up sweety XD
ShakSparrow 2 years ago
Although it sounds unpleasant, class is actually something that matters to most people (sadly enough) But really, getting into a class based war seems like an extremely scummy way to get through to voters, of any class. *stating the obvious* Argh.
MERRY CHRISTMAS JAZZA! :D
indieGIRL96 2 years ago
Awesome to see you back here. Mega Awesome cool dude.
scottklaw 2 years ago
nice to hear from you Jazza! Hope you're having a good time in China :)
PS your christmas tree is awesome
jv8999 2 years ago
"I was acutely aware that my grandparents had come from working class backgrounds"
The way you said this makes me wonder if you have mistaken the meaning of acutely in this context. It could be mistaken as meaning semi-aware, or aware to a small degree since in a pie chart an acute angle would result in a small section; in fact it means sharply or keenly aware.
I'm not looking to pick on your grammar, I'm just interested in what you meant as I found your video very interesting.
Cheers.
Scyllissia 2 years ago
Hope you have a good New Year Jazza,
There is a Sheffield gathering soon, it's not going to be the same with out you! :(
lukeb3000 2 years ago
Dude. You have awesome eyes. Just sayin'.
annadee 2 years ago
I don't think class is as important as politicians make it but maybe thats because I'm american. Love the pikacu slippers!
xPwnyTailx 2 years ago
what's wrong with lib dem, the greens or ukip?
rhymingwithoranges 2 years ago
thanks :)
rhymingwithoranges 2 years ago
I am appalled that class matters in the way it does. As an Eton graduate who grew up in a large manor house on the moors, I find it despicable the way my school is being treated so negatively. I don't blame the lowly buggars who hate us. They're poor, smelly, ignorant blokes. We must treat inferiors gently, withholding information much like we yank their chains in the job market. Only by patting the silly "kids" on the head like this can they be turned into productive members of society.
iaysen 2 years ago
... seriously?
rhymingwithoranges 2 years ago
... No, of course not. I'm not even a Britishican citizen. I'm American. I've never even visited the British Aisles in my life, mate.
... but, jokes aside, I'm against having class matter that much. It matters in the extreme in America, but here we intentionally mislabel it by race or gender.
For many Americans, "the people" either mean "poor" or "black" or "the man" (by feminists). It's true from the reverse, as well. Oddly, we also frequently hate the poor. We're schizophrenic, in that sense.
iaysen 2 years ago
I'm so anti labour, like Gordon Brown actually makes me want to smack someone... I'm a Tory supporter, but I hate that people judge me for it. I'm rubbish at defending my reasons for supporting someone, so I can't get in to this properly - but I just wanted to say your videos are always awesome!
SnoWhiteSally 2 years ago
aw, thanks. I think our generation is going to grow up with the same disdain for the labour party that a lot of my parents' generation did with Thatcher's Conservatives. To be fair, you are always going to be judged as soon as you mention what party you openly support. It is why I have never mentioned my affiliation on here (to be fair I don't really have one). So i commend you for having the guts to be so open about it.
rhymingwithoranges 2 years ago
I don't know what school Grdon Brown was at, but isn't it likely that it was Scotland's equivlent of Eton, and that if Brown was schooled in England he would have been at Eton himself..?
shloopy5 2 years ago
I don't think so actually. I know that Tony Blair went to Fette's, which is considered the Scottish equivalent of Eton.
rhymingwithoranges 2 years ago
didn't he got to a state school? I will wikipedia.
it says he went to Kirkcaldy High School which was a state school, and got into the university of edinburgh aged sixteen. props to gordy.
hollium 2 years ago
ahh.well that's the age they apply to university in Scotland anyway. but yah.
shloopy5 2 years ago
srsly?!
hollium 2 years ago