Say what you will about Mr. Buckley's political views, you have to respect the man's unfettered intelligence. He was blessed with such a brilliant way of expressing himself, and we are all the beneficiaries of his word craft. God Bless him.
@jayrusniak1 Ending slavery: Lincoln, a republican. War on drugs: Nixon(you get his one) a republican. Who advocated for it to end? Buckley. and while Nixon called it the war on drugs, most of it was made illegal during the time of one of americas most racist presidents of the 20th century: FDR. No Child left behind: written by Ted Kennedy Vietnam: Started by Kennedy, put in the gutter by LBJ. Iraq: Bush, kept going by Obama.
@un4m3d4 What a graceless, inhumane turd you are. That any person -- on either side of the political spectrum -- could watch this excerpt and be moved by the occasion to call Mr. Buckley an idiot speaks volumes. You and that king of otiose idiots himself, Noam Chomsky, make cozy bedfellows, I'm sure.
As acerbic and mean-spirited Bill could be, he was also a very decent and nice gentleman. In the 60s, he took to task racists like Judge Perez and members of the John Birch Society. He wept when he heard those black girls were bombed in that church in alabama. Sure he had faults like his support of the Vietnam war, but he man had a way with friendship. Good man. Sorely missed.
watch firing line and then watch and listen to any other subsequent interviews by others and they all sound absolutely stupid. buckley was a master of the language. all others pale in comparison.
Alls forgotten. Lets not bring up the ugly little episode where Wild Will advocated the tattooing of AIDS patients buttocks so they'd be more easily identifiable. Lets not talk about the sheer ugliness of this bit of viciousness towards sick people and, one can be certain, towards gay people. Read up on it . Billy really relished getting at those sick queers with his hobnailed boots. The servants had them all polished and ready if his proposal took off.
@waltherppk1000 Its misfire,moron, not mis-fire. Glad to have raised your blood pressure, Neanderthal. I would take you seriously if you addressed the issues I raised about Buckley's characterological deficits but since you merely rant I hold you in the same contempt I reserve for your hero.
@joblow696 -oh you got me. try typing this on a Blackberry while on a yacht with huge swells. I pity you, you know not what it is to be a man and a patriot.
@waltherppk1000 What an absurd little man you are. You don't even know me and yet you make judgements about me without the support of any evidence whatsoever. A true Buckleyite.
@joblow696 --I wouldn't have made a comment to you until I noticed yesterday that your nasty, vindictive rants about Mr Buckley are all over You Tube on other Buckley exhibits. You are nothing more than a POS troll. Some how its not hateful, because what you're a homosexual?
@waltherppk1000 Its somehow, moron, not some how. Maybe the yacht lurched again while you were operating your Blackberry with all your fat thumbs. What makes you think I'm gay? Because I think its wrong to beat up on AIDS patients when they were vulnerable to such attacks from warped, deeply sexually conflicted sadists like Buckley? Get real. Your hero had serious psychological problems. What kind of pervert goes around thinking about having the "evil" govt. tattooing other mens buttocks.
@waltherppk1000 You ignorant, redneck, no-nothing, it is now time to use the dash. As in: "bottom-feeding." I am not surprised at all by your violent, irrational outburst. In our little exchange thus far you have been unable to address the issues I origionally raised concerning the homophobe Buckley's perverse thoughts and proposals about tattooing people's buttocks. You have to resort to violence because your ideas are bankrupt. Seek mental health options for the anger issues. Maybe PTSD.
@waltherppk10 You are sloshing your psychosis all over the place now,aren't you? Your gay-bashing is a reflection of the same inner conflicts which plagued your hero. He too yearned for that which he so vociferously hated. Secretly he was trolling about for rough trade all over the Village. I imagine you are also one of those so unsure of his masculinity he puts on a macho facade in order to throw everyone off the scent. lol Don't ask, don't tell.
@waltherppk1000 Correct that first sentence, stupid. The syntax is atrocious in the final sentence. Billy boy was very fastidious about language, extremely pedantic. He would have had for you nothing more than sneering contempt. And by the way, don't you have even the slightest realization what that waltherppk tag says about your preoccupation? Get honest with yourself. Its not the fault of honest homosexuals that you are so closeted and conflicted. Get some gonads. Be a man. STOP HIDING!
WIlliam F Buckley is my hero. I want to be as articulate as him. I want to be able to use big fancy words like him. Too bad I am an idiot ) : How do I start? Read the dictionary? Fuck it. I am too lazy I think I will just roll a fatty.
When I watched his show Firing Line, I always agreed with his opponents, such as Michael Kingsley, because I'm opposed to conservativism, but I was always impressed with Buckley's vocabulary, which was second to none.
@nickotwincities What did you admire the most? Was it the gay-bashing? Or maybe you admired the monumental hypocrisy he exhibited while going all over this country advocating the endless continuance of the Viet Nam war while making sure his own little boy stayed safely ensconced in the ivy league? The man was a phony from his faux English accent down to his sesquipedalian vocabulary. Good riddance and may he be burning endlessly.
"Nature pursues and castigates you for any tendency to self-satisfaction" - spoken like a true stoic. How is it that he speaks with a British accent, being born in NYC and having lived his entire life in the States. These observations aside, I don't see what's so noble or impressive about a self-interested plutocrat-kissing, status-quo profit-groveler who takes private sailing trips and plays the harpsichord. Bach would be ashamed.
@musicalidea He speaks with the accent because English was not his first language, Spanish was if I recall, then he learned French, he didn't learn English until he was seven. Your accent is typically defined by the location where you grew, Buckley was from New England, their accents always sound English in some manner or another.
@PeterBluth Yeah, I also read the Wiki article with the exact same info. Just bc he learned those Romance tongues early on doesn't account for his odd British tone. I've lived in Boston for the past 6 years...no one speaks in this manner any longer - even the Upper Crust...The "cockney", local accents of MA - there are several - do not resemble WFB's or a British accent at all. If it ever existed, it was an old-fashioned Brahman mid-Atlantic accent that dwindled away in the last few decades.
@musicalidea His age could also factor into the way he sounded. He was born in the 1920s and, if what you say is the case, he would've been around to pick up that sort of idiolect. He sounded remarkably like George Plimpton or the character actress Geraldine Fitzgerald, who were his contemporaries. Both of them had a similar manner of speaking, so it could be the result of the times. Or something he picked up over the years. If it dwilded with time, fine. Though, I like how it sounds myself.
There are times when we always fail our friends... we don't mean to, but that doesn't mean we don't love them less, life just has a way of getting in the way. Mr. Rose, that was a great tribute to America's #1 Honorable Conservative. I was never on the same side of Mr. Buckley, but I always admired him. That was a tender testament, Mr. Rose.
"That which is against communism is for humanity." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and 11-year prisoner of Soviet tyranny. One of the greatest writers of the 20th century, and who this year became required reading in Russian high schools. I wonder if Buckley and Solzhenitsyn ever met.
wfb somehow does not give me the same sick feeling when other so called conservatives appear on various shows. Many segments of his old talkshow are on youtube, and they are completely different from current conservative talk-shows. He is a gallant host, but also gives vibes that you shouldn't piss him off.
@jayrusniak1 Why, because he has blue eyes?? Are you that ignorant?? The man was principled and intelligent. I disagree with much of what he says but there are so few principled and intelligent people in public discourse that he worth listening to.
@BigCasinoable here's what you just typed, "this guy's really smart and I don't think he's right" you just called yourself a dumbass, which you are. This guy's a Malthusian conservative. I don't think he's the devil because of his eye color, it's the creepy way he holds them wide open. :50 The world is a better place without him spreading the same shit as Glenn Beck
@jayrusniak1 Are really of such a narrow mind that you can not disagree with someone and still feel they are "really smart"? I disagree with much of what the man says but I do feel that he is an intellect. Now if you can not wrap your mind around that then I feel sorry for you. Apparently, only people that agree with you are worthy of you calling them intelligent. That tells me how unintelligent you really are.
@BigCasinoable There's a difference between being really good at something and being really smart. Hitler was a really good speaker but the dumbest person to ever live. Killing 12 million people wasn't going to benefit anyone! This guy is good at debating but I don't know what his IQ is. Liberals on average have a higher IQ than conservatives, and yes, that says something about Sir William's intelligence. It's problem solving.
@jayrusniak1 liberals are so damned cute with all of your boogie man fantasies. i'd like to read you a bed time story and lay you all to sleep - to dream of camelot and lollipops.
@johnbourbon Liberals have been at the forefront of EVERY great movement in history. Ending slavery was liberal, Jesus was liberal, women's right's was liberal. What can conservatives have pride for? War on drugs? No child left behind? Vietnam/Iraq wars? All disasters. Again, it's no surprise that liberals on average have higher IQ's than conservatives. Chomsky can see imperialism, Fuckley can't.
@jayrusniak1 which is why you dear precious liberals, with your phenomenal IQs have had exactly ONE two term president in over 60 years. and you can take your commie chomsky rant and shove it directly into your borscht hole.
@johnbourbon Study Marxism and you'll learn he didn't want liberal voters around because they hold the corporations back from becoming completely totalitarian. Once the regulation goes out the window you'll eventually get an overthrow and socialism on the other side. You don't have to be communist to care about your community. I believe american imperialism is relevant, but empires were made to fall. we will not last, little liberal countries like france will
@johnbourbon Yes, you better study Marxism, an ideology that no credible historian, writer, or political scientist takes seriously anymore. Practically everything that Marx wrote, especially on dialectical and historical materialism, has been discredited. Marx was wrong on nearly everything he wrote about: instead of industrialized societies, Marxism only took hold in backwards agrarian societies like Russia, China, and Cambodia, and led to tens of millions of people being murdered.
@jayrusniak1 Ending slavery: Lincoln, a republican. War on drugs: Nixon(you get his one) a republican. Who advocated for it to end? Buckley. and while Nixon called it the war on drugs, most of it was made illegal during the time of one of americas most racist presidents of the 20th century: FDR. No Child left behind: written by Ted Kennedy Vietnam: Started by Kennedy, put in the gutter by LBJ. Iraq: Bush, kept going by Obama.
William F Buckley was a very thoughtful, intelligent man. You can tell by the way he talks and the words he uses. That alone makes him very respectable.
@WhenLilacsLast Nothing hollow about him. He founded a powerful political movement which still thrives . He influenced & mentored many thinkers,writers & leaders. He was a civil man with a gift for cultivating friendships among all manner of people--including many of his ideological foes. In this contentious age we all could learn his lesson of civilized opposition. And,on a personal note,his books & tv appearances helped rescued me from the errors of the left. Bless his soul.
"Errors on the left." Amen. But don't go to far to the right either. It is best to stay in the middle. Be open minded, but not so open minded that your brain falls out(which it seems has happened to many on the left.) And people who cling to much to the right seem very close minded.
@WhenLilacsLast ah another liberal espousing boogie man theories. evil this, devil that. tell me, when you wake from your sugarplum-camelot dream, who will be there to change your little diaper?
While I cannot say I agree with the conservatism of Bill Buckley -- case n point -- see his interview with Huge Hefner, I can say with certainty that he was never boring to listen to. Alas, we all die and fade off into oblivion. For now, I'll remember Bill as one of the more likable and intelligent of the conservatives. Most today suck and are pig headed non-thinking cold reptiles.
While I cannot say I agree with the conservatism of Bill Buckley -- case n point -- see his interview with Huge Hefner, I can say with certainty that he was never boring to listen to. Alas, we all die and fade off into oblivion. For now, I'll remember Bill as one of the more likable and intelligent of the conservatives. I don't think another can take his place. Most today suck and are pig headed non-thinking dip shits.
What a wonderful dedication by Charlie Rose...and to such a gregarious and loving conservative thinker like Buckley who I have come to know through his "Firing Line" show here on Youtube, otherwise I don't think I would have known that voice and style that he has which I think is absolutely brilliant.
Charlie sounds and looks like he's about to cry. Understandably so, Bill was the man. That's all I can say and I pride myself on being something of an articulate speaker, but I pale in comparison to the man, the myth, the legend that was William F. Buckley. Rest in Peace, Sir.
I did not like Buckley. Before Faux News "Fair and Balanced" there was Firing Line. He loved to grill an opponent pinned between himself and another right winger either seated or standing as an examiner. The show was always stacked towards the right wing. He must have gotten production advice from Roger Ailes. But I was an avid Firing Line watcher to see how the intellectual jousting match would turn out. And yes Buckley was a prince compared to just about everyone else in his movement. RIP.
I know what you mean, i disagree with most of what he said- but i do always liked watching him joust with his guests- i often find myself watching clips of old debates in fact, just to remind myself that yes, once upon a time people actually argued rationally and intelligently on television.
Have you ever seen an episode of Firing Line? For many years the examiner was the liberal journalist Michael Kinsley, and before him people like Jeff Greenfield and others with left-of-center ideological tendencies.
Jeff Greenfield early in his career wrote media criticism for Commentary - hardly a left leaning publication. Yes Kinsley was an examiner and so was Mark Green but they were to my recollection usually examining two conservatives - Buckley and his guest.
My point is that Firing Line stacked the deck towards the conservative side - not too hard but certainly enough to be clearly noticeable. This tactic in my view is the forerunner of Fox News which always lets the right have the last word.
When I was a young, college student---decades ago, it was Buckley via his books,magazine and tv appearances,who taught me that their was no contradiction between being a conservative and being intelligent,civil,tolerant,decent,witty,erudite and a host of other adjectives I could ascribe to him. Like Ronald Reagan,Buckley's many virtues made the movement he helped to sire and lead an acceptable alternative to the left.I thank him for the many idealogical errors from which he rescued me.
It is a testamony to that " child of Satan " that his influence--felt through tea parties and angry town meetings is --even from the grave, more than capable of teaching the present holder of Reagan 's old job, how to lead a political movement.
Buckley's show Firing Line was boring and that was because I was a kid in the 1980s. The only thing that I liked was the theme song. It was only that I've matured enough to admire his conservative arguments in a charming, witful manner. He was never a loudmouth like the shock jocks @ fox news or MSNBC. He made PBS special....Now he's gone...forever...just like Louis Rukeyser, Mr. Rogers, Shari Lewis, Alistair Cooke, Justin Wilson, Julia Child, etc. Is Public TV dying I wonder?
"I thought hell is bound to be a livelier place, as he joins forever those whom he served in life, applauding their prejudices and fanning their hatred."
Rose has brought out the best in some great people. Go watch CBS's pathetic tribute of the greatest Conservative that ever lived. Now THAT'S creepy. Who was it anyway, that airhead Katie Couric?
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Wow, I wish that the so called 'conservatives' of today would be as openly snobby as Buckley was. Seriously man, their PR makes em look like total populists. Hitler too had this populist sheen. Sarah Palin just blows my mind. Not in a good way. She's like Bush with tits. Just a PR puppet the GOP throws up so they can do what they want behind the scenes. Joe Six Packs? Maverick? Sure, and Christians are an oppressed minority here in the states. Anyone want to buy some property in Louisianna?
WFB was amazingly intelligent. As a founder of the modern conservative movement, we all owe him a great debt of gratitude. As for his detractors, they're not even terriers nipping at his heels. That's an insult to terriers.
WFB postured as an intellectual -cultivating external trappings of same: British accent, bombastic vocabulary, darting tongue, twinkle eye (so the American audience -the only such to mistake him for an intellectual- would be alerted to the extra special super duper cleverness of what he just said prior to twinkling) etc.
As if his ardent Catholicism was not sufficient evidence of his intellectual vacuity, he obliged us with coming out on the side of "Intelligent Design" against Evolution.
Well fctchk, thank you for defining an intellectual for me: British accent, bombastic vocabulary, darting tongue (who knew?) and twinkle eye (I suppose you meaning twinkling eyes). So you don't like his politics or his persona. That still doesn't make him an idiot or you a genius.
Quite right, my opinion of Buckleigh's politics or persona is immaterial.
What undermines his claims to stature as an intellectual are his ardent Catholicism, support for "Intelligent Design" as opposed to Evolution, support for the Vietnam War, opposition to the civil rights movement; None of the aforementioned either intellectually or ethically tenable.
I think some would disagree that being Catholic and being an intellectual are mutually exclusive, however, continued support for the Vietnam War is untenable as is opposition to civil rights. You have to approach Buckley like Catholics do the Church - cafeteria style.
As far as Catholicism and intelligent design, I am vaguely familiar with both but not enought to make a comment on his intellectual honesty regarding either.
If you need to ask why creationism "wouldn't be tenable" vis-à-vis evolution you either don't know what either entail or share Buckleigh's vacuity.
I made a statement of fact. It can be verified here where Buckleigh can be seen in all his usual, pompous, vacuous, equivocating, full bloviating glory: /watch?v=OoJbri9Yem0 at 04:19.
Buckleigh sides with creationism against evolution. My point stands.
You don't make a substantive point. You just use ad hominem attacks against those who disagree with you. There is a commonly held distinction between creationism and "intelligent design" The former is specificative. The latter entails that the universe came about as a willful act, which could encompass deism as well as theism.
Buckley was Catholic and acknowledges it in the link you provide. But he also argues against certain tenants of evolution in a manner that is irrespective of his Catholic faith, but he does not as far a I know fully discount the notion that the evolution of life occurs on some level. The point is that intelligent design and evolution are not mutually exclusive.
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bill buckley looks very evil, and his contempt for others peoples views suggest he probably is one...a pure BLUE BLOOD. He even looks like a damn dinosaur...
Although I appreciate his charm and his vocabulary, I don't appreciate these in the context of conservative policies. I do respect him on this note, he thought for himself and was willing to change his point of view if it no longer made sense to him.
American champion of free market enterprise, who will be greatly miss, from admirer of you all the way from Hong Kong.You are one of the greatest Eli ever made S&B322 the top dog fraternity in the world.Rest in peace!
I never agreed with Willian F.Buckley but I do morn his death.I tree of ideas has died from the forest of of comformity on both sides of the political spectrum.He will be missed in the forest of ideas.See ya Bill.
"I never agreed with Willian F.Buckley but I do morn his death"
I probably agreed with a few things he said, but I concur with your sentiment. The one thing you could count on from WFB Jr was an intelligent and (usually) civil debate - good luck with having that these days. I liked watching his "Firing Line" when I was young, and I have always had tremendous respect for this man. RIP.
Anyone who is remotely interested in this era should acquaint themselves with right wing cretin extra-ordinaire Roy Cohn, McCarthys wingman....a closeted homosexual who black-mailed J Edgar Hoover [ that closeted tyrant] by threatening to expose his [ Hoovers] true sexual inclinations. That Ann Coulter celebrates this dark era is no surprise.
The corruption and malevolence of McCarthy and his cohorts well desreves its place in American history. Anyone who cares even a little about free speech should well remianed horrified at the tactics used, tactics which were siamese with those used by Mao and Stalin to consilidate their power. This country has never be so perilously close to out right tyranny.
Greetings, Bucket. Although, one ought not presume lightly, I will do so and suggest that you don't seem to find much antipathy in your soul for communism as an idealogy. One certainly could conclude that McCarthy became ruinous, but not in the way the you intimate. In fact, the extent of communist infiltration--directed by the Soviets--was NOT overstated by McCarthy. Yes. It is understood that he was a boor and a drunk. But notwithstanding revisionism, the gist of his case was justifiable.
McCarthy, by the way, was little more than an alcoholic opportunist. He saw HUAC as his meal ticket and left the political scene only after a resounding public humiliation brought on by his exra-ordinary indecency. His wingman re these witch trials, Roy Cohn, was, like J Edgar Hoover, a self hating homosexual. It was ALL lies.
Roy Cohn! lol he Roy and G. David Schine (who were by the way in a homosexual relationship), finagled and implied that this was a conspiracy from the US Army! contrary to McCarthy's wishes. Roy Cohn (and his father albert) were also knee deep in the take! seriously refresh your knowledge...
Cohn alleged that McCarthy was an anti-Semite and meant to use the Army to purge the Government of Jews! Btw Alger Hiss & Dean Acheson corresponded with Cohn regularly!
In terms of documentation re Anericas insane, hyper-paranod gunslinging behavior in the Cold War, I refer you to LEGACY OF ASHES, which is the most well resourced analysis of the CIA ever written [ 200 pages of source material]. Yje American public has been lied to and 'disinformed' for 60 years...and counting.
The over-estimation of the Soviet threat has been well documented, since the the early 50's, and well supported by a raft of internal CIA/NSA documents. Those who posited that the Soviet system was too backwards, internally paranoid and massively inefficient to begin to compete with the American military were dead right. The Soviet collapse was not the result of Regans speeches, but the internal rot of depraved, inhuman ideology.
everything that came before 1994 regarding McCarthy's overestimation of the communist penetration of america is now OBSOLETE. Even the most ardent anti-McCarthyists now concede this... i'd suggest you review the facts.
Lol the HUAC was political suicide for Joe, far from his meal ticket it destroyed him as an individual, and everyone in his surrounding warned him that's what would happened. Joe knew that this could have him destroyed or even assassinated.
Most left leaning pundits have been exremely kind to the late William F. Buckley, lauding him for his well lived life [ adept sailor, dinner host par excellence, personable fellow, cuunning linguist..] and going soft on or fully ignoring his penchant for racism and unashamed support for Joe McCarthy and his gulag mentality. What galls this liberal are any and all compparisons with witless hysterics like Ann Coulter.
gulag mentality? im sorry but his action precisely opposed what leads to Gulags.
And as the fact are now being discovered, it turns out McCarthy was largely correct. the National Security Agency (which intercepted every Soviet message between the US and USSR) released in 94 the first 1400 of 240 000 correspondences. Their content were supportive of the contentions of not only McCarthy but Whittaker Chambers, Elizabeth Bentley, Hoover, and others.
lictor: I think there is a difference between going after Communists in the gov't. and going after people who may lean towards it in the film industry.
Also about that Oliver guy, I hate political correctness. ;)
McCarthy was the only voice in America speaking out against those in government that were Communists, fellow-travelers (liberals who believed in but did not join the Communist Party), Russian sympathizers, and Stalin apologists (the very architect of the GULAG).
Its widely acknowledged that Alger Hiss Dean Rusk, were communist internationalists. Even Harry Dexter White purposely withheld allocated funding for the Chinese Nationalists,to thwart their efforts against Mao's Communists...
dinnerbucket9, if you did any diggin (outside CNN, ABC and similar sheets and "news services" you'd know that no one in academia seriously denies the McCarthy allegations, they are now accepted as fact.
All of this has been revised by the Accuracy In Academics conference on McCarthy, the declassified FBI records are now a matter of public record... I even saw this on C SPAN!
his speeches should also of interest (particularly his "Conspiracy or Degeneracy" he gave at the congress of freedom in 67? i believe) / he was also a high operative of the War Department during WW2- and was decorated by Roosevelt (who he described as a "diseased degenerate")
but I must warn you, he makes no effort for political correctness, which for me makes him a sort of guilty pleasure to read... anyways
lol, I wouldn't want to antagonize this board, but he was an erudite classics professor (who exhibited an equivalent mastery of English as WFB)... he was a man whom Buckley adored, admired and respected... but Oliver's views on race eventually forced Buckley to desist his rapports with him (what oliver had to say about blacks would for instance scare the pants off most people)
but he Buckley's best friend- and was Buckley's best man at his wedding
well (not in public at least!) i read many of his works (of which I do not always agree with), you may want to read his Origins Of Christianity (which are available online - all 13 chapters)
He apparently had co-written a book I found quite titillating (that is Imperium, by Francis Parker Yockey), you may also consult his "America's Decline: The Education of a Conservative" and his "Populism" and "Elitism" published in 1982.
he also wrote for Buckley's own National Review and American opinion
That basic fact should be obvious to every sentient right-winger, but in our political culture what should have been a rational and truly progressive ideology (real conservatism- that of the 50's and 60's) has so been defiled and perverted by the media that it is now merely a vehicle to activate and excite the very dregs of conservatism (the religions fundamentalists and the unthinking dispossessed blue collar class).
gone are the enlightening principles of Buckley, Oliver et al.
lictor: As with most TV, the media is out to entertain rather than inform. Both ideologies have been hijacked by extremists who just fuel the partisan fire.
That dull minded, avidly anti-intellectual thugs like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter celebrate Buckley without much remark is numbing. Both would need tutors to navigate much of what he said and put down on paper and even then I suspect the tutor would soon resign citing the dull fact of the Hopeless Case. That Buckley could comfortably associate with those who fully disagreed with him further proves the lie, as these two live only to demonize the same.
I disagreed with a lot of WFB's positions, but I've always respected--if not outright admired--him and his style. The last bit of the interview, when he says he's tired of life, is just heartbreaking. He musters some of the old miscief in his eyes, but you can tell he's dead serious.
Say what you will about Mr. Buckley's political views, you have to respect the man's unfettered intelligence. He was blessed with such a brilliant way of expressing himself, and we are all the beneficiaries of his word craft. God Bless him.
duchessofpercy 1 week ago
Yes he was a great, gret, GREAT man. Down there rotting in hell with all the war criminals who used the same yacht wax he did.
9162vb48 1 month ago
This was wonderful, thank you for posting this. Thank you.
4000angels 2 months ago
@jayrusniak1 Ending slavery: Lincoln, a republican. War on drugs: Nixon(you get his one) a republican. Who advocated for it to end? Buckley. and while Nixon called it the war on drugs, most of it was made illegal during the time of one of americas most racist presidents of the 20th century: FDR. No Child left behind: written by Ted Kennedy Vietnam: Started by Kennedy, put in the gutter by LBJ. Iraq: Bush, kept going by Obama.
Yep, seems like liberalism is great!
acmna 4 months ago
@un4m3d4 What a graceless, inhumane turd you are. That any person -- on either side of the political spectrum -- could watch this excerpt and be moved by the occasion to call Mr. Buckley an idiot speaks volumes. You and that king of otiose idiots himself, Noam Chomsky, make cozy bedfellows, I'm sure.
morristeflon 7 months ago
What a cool, retilian, non-human. I like him!
leapingfury 9 months ago
As acerbic and mean-spirited Bill could be, he was also a very decent and nice gentleman. In the 60s, he took to task racists like Judge Perez and members of the John Birch Society. He wept when he heard those black girls were bombed in that church in alabama. Sure he had faults like his support of the Vietnam war, but he man had a way with friendship. Good man. Sorely missed.
xtrmsprts 9 months ago 4
I admire Charlie's composure in his last sentence
TheSololobo 10 months ago
Charlie Rose can say he never bet on baseball, but I don't believe him! He will never be in the Hall of Fame!
feck2112 11 months ago
watch firing line and then watch and listen to any other subsequent interviews by others and they all sound absolutely stupid. buckley was a master of the language. all others pale in comparison.
avzeolla 11 months ago
Alls forgotten. Lets not bring up the ugly little episode where Wild Will advocated the tattooing of AIDS patients buttocks so they'd be more easily identifiable. Lets not talk about the sheer ugliness of this bit of viciousness towards sick people and, one can be certain, towards gay people. Read up on it . Billy really relished getting at those sick queers with his hobnailed boots. The servants had them all polished and ready if his proposal took off.
joblow696 1 year ago
@joblow696 --your name says it all. You ignorant, loathsome mis-fire of nature. For you to castigate Mr Buckley actually makes him more powerful.
waltherppk1000 1 year ago
@waltherppk1000 Its misfire,moron, not mis-fire. Glad to have raised your blood pressure, Neanderthal. I would take you seriously if you addressed the issues I raised about Buckley's characterological deficits but since you merely rant I hold you in the same contempt I reserve for your hero.
joblow696 1 year ago
@joblow696 -oh you got me. try typing this on a Blackberry while on a yacht with huge swells. I pity you, you know not what it is to be a man and a patriot.
waltherppk1000 1 year ago
@waltherppk1000 What an absurd little man you are. You don't even know me and yet you make judgements about me without the support of any evidence whatsoever. A true Buckleyite.
joblow696 1 year ago
@joblow696 --I wouldn't have made a comment to you until I noticed yesterday that your nasty, vindictive rants about Mr Buckley are all over You Tube on other Buckley exhibits. You are nothing more than a POS troll. Some how its not hateful, because what you're a homosexual?
waltherppk1000 1 year ago
@waltherppk1000 Its somehow, moron, not some how. Maybe the yacht lurched again while you were operating your Blackberry with all your fat thumbs. What makes you think I'm gay? Because I think its wrong to beat up on AIDS patients when they were vulnerable to such attacks from warped, deeply sexually conflicted sadists like Buckley? Get real. Your hero had serious psychological problems. What kind of pervert goes around thinking about having the "evil" govt. tattooing other mens buttocks.
joblow696 1 year ago
@joblow696--If you aren't gay, you are one fuck of a mess. Who spends their time
castigating an old man who has passed on? You have no life, nothing more than
a keyboard troll, if you ever dare call me names you would have to back it up in
person, you piece of shit. 6 years serving my country as a US Marine tells
me you are nothing but bottom feeding parasite. Doom on you!
waltherppk1000 1 year ago
@waltherppk1000 You ignorant, redneck, no-nothing, it is now time to use the dash. As in: "bottom-feeding." I am not surprised at all by your violent, irrational outburst. In our little exchange thus far you have been unable to address the issues I origionally raised concerning the homophobe Buckley's perverse thoughts and proposals about tattooing people's buttocks. You have to resort to violence because your ideas are bankrupt. Seek mental health options for the anger issues. Maybe PTSD.
joblow696 1 year ago
@joblow696 -fuck off faggot. Why are you so concerned with something a dead man supposedly
said? I'm amused that you are so obsessed with so-called homophobes. You are gay, but you don't
even have the stones to admit. Plus you're an old sack of shit, who is clearly on his way to an early
demise due to your degenerate lifestyle.
waltherppk1000 1 year ago
@waltherppk10 You are sloshing your psychosis all over the place now,aren't you? Your gay-bashing is a reflection of the same inner conflicts which plagued your hero. He too yearned for that which he so vociferously hated. Secretly he was trolling about for rough trade all over the Village. I imagine you are also one of those so unsure of his masculinity he puts on a macho facade in order to throw everyone off the scent. lol Don't ask, don't tell.
joblow696 1 year ago
@joblow696 --Everyone needs helps except you. You're a fucking degenerate who would be locked
up in many parts of the world. Unfortunate that you are still living and breathing.
waltherppk1000 1 year ago
@waltherppk1000 Correct that first sentence, stupid. The syntax is atrocious in the final sentence. Billy boy was very fastidious about language, extremely pedantic. He would have had for you nothing more than sneering contempt. And by the way, don't you have even the slightest realization what that waltherppk tag says about your preoccupation? Get honest with yourself. Its not the fault of honest homosexuals that you are so closeted and conflicted. Get some gonads. Be a man. STOP HIDING!
joblow696 1 year ago
WIlliam F Buckley is my hero. I want to be as articulate as him. I want to be able to use big fancy words like him. Too bad I am an idiot ) : How do I start? Read the dictionary? Fuck it. I am too lazy I think I will just roll a fatty.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
1:45 "creating prooose" hahaha idk why but that was funny. the stare, drawn out annunciation......creating proose haha. just click on it. do it.
ahbevegede 1 year ago
When I watched his show Firing Line, I always agreed with his opponents, such as Michael Kingsley, because I'm opposed to conservativism, but I was always impressed with Buckley's vocabulary, which was second to none.
LAlawMedMBA 1 year ago
The only reason reason I have a good opinion of Charley Rose is because of his good opinion of William Buckley.
CARDUELIS999 1 year ago
"...because I'm tired of life..."
that comment was devastating to me. It saddens me to no end, yet I don't quite understand what that means. What an intellect that we've lost.
sandc411 1 year ago 2
I've always admired WFB, but the book by his son about his parents was so depressing I couldn't finish it. It's the marvel of life I suppose.
nickotwincities 1 year ago
@nickotwincities What did you admire the most? Was it the gay-bashing? Or maybe you admired the monumental hypocrisy he exhibited while going all over this country advocating the endless continuance of the Viet Nam war while making sure his own little boy stayed safely ensconced in the ivy league? The man was a phony from his faux English accent down to his sesquipedalian vocabulary. Good riddance and may he be burning endlessly.
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11gy 1 year ago
Aww Buckley. Intellectually dishonest when intellectually dishonest wasn't cool. a true visionary and harbinger of what was to come!
doston1 1 year ago
"Nature pursues and castigates you for any tendency to self-satisfaction" - spoken like a true stoic. How is it that he speaks with a British accent, being born in NYC and having lived his entire life in the States. These observations aside, I don't see what's so noble or impressive about a self-interested plutocrat-kissing, status-quo profit-groveler who takes private sailing trips and plays the harpsichord. Bach would be ashamed.
musicalidea 1 year ago
@musicalidea He speaks with the accent because English was not his first language, Spanish was if I recall, then he learned French, he didn't learn English until he was seven. Your accent is typically defined by the location where you grew, Buckley was from New England, their accents always sound English in some manner or another.
PeterBluth 1 year ago
@PeterBluth Yeah, I also read the Wiki article with the exact same info. Just bc he learned those Romance tongues early on doesn't account for his odd British tone. I've lived in Boston for the past 6 years...no one speaks in this manner any longer - even the Upper Crust...The "cockney", local accents of MA - there are several - do not resemble WFB's or a British accent at all. If it ever existed, it was an old-fashioned Brahman mid-Atlantic accent that dwindled away in the last few decades.
musicalidea 1 year ago
@musicalidea His age could also factor into the way he sounded. He was born in the 1920s and, if what you say is the case, he would've been around to pick up that sort of idiolect. He sounded remarkably like George Plimpton or the character actress Geraldine Fitzgerald, who were his contemporaries. Both of them had a similar manner of speaking, so it could be the result of the times. Or something he picked up over the years. If it dwilded with time, fine. Though, I like how it sounds myself.
PeterBluth 1 year ago
There are times when we always fail our friends... we don't mean to, but that doesn't mean we don't love them less, life just has a way of getting in the way. Mr. Rose, that was a great tribute to America's #1 Honorable Conservative. I was never on the same side of Mr. Buckley, but I always admired him. That was a tender testament, Mr. Rose.
signlaw 1 year ago
"That which is against communism is for humanity." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and 11-year prisoner of Soviet tyranny. One of the greatest writers of the 20th century, and who this year became required reading in Russian high schools. I wonder if Buckley and Solzhenitsyn ever met.
versus79 1 year ago
Rest in peace Bill. Your eloquence is a dearly missed asset in the public discourse.
nylonhead116 1 year ago
wfb somehow does not give me the same sick feeling when other so called conservatives appear on various shows. Many segments of his old talkshow are on youtube, and they are completely different from current conservative talk-shows. He is a gallant host, but also gives vibes that you shouldn't piss him off.
pussyStarter 1 year ago 2
What an evil man. His eyes tell you he's the devil
jayrusniak1 1 year ago
@jayrusniak1 Why, because he has blue eyes?? Are you that ignorant?? The man was principled and intelligent. I disagree with much of what he says but there are so few principled and intelligent people in public discourse that he worth listening to.
BigCasinoable 1 year ago
@BigCasinoable here's what you just typed, "this guy's really smart and I don't think he's right" you just called yourself a dumbass, which you are. This guy's a Malthusian conservative. I don't think he's the devil because of his eye color, it's the creepy way he holds them wide open. :50 The world is a better place without him spreading the same shit as Glenn Beck
jayrusniak1 1 year ago
@jayrusniak1 Are really of such a narrow mind that you can not disagree with someone and still feel they are "really smart"? I disagree with much of what the man says but I do feel that he is an intellect. Now if you can not wrap your mind around that then I feel sorry for you. Apparently, only people that agree with you are worthy of you calling them intelligent. That tells me how unintelligent you really are.
BigCasinoable 1 year ago
@BigCasinoable There's a difference between being really good at something and being really smart. Hitler was a really good speaker but the dumbest person to ever live. Killing 12 million people wasn't going to benefit anyone! This guy is good at debating but I don't know what his IQ is. Liberals on average have a higher IQ than conservatives, and yes, that says something about Sir William's intelligence. It's problem solving.
jayrusniak1 1 year ago
@jayrusniak1 liberals are so damned cute with all of your boogie man fantasies. i'd like to read you a bed time story and lay you all to sleep - to dream of camelot and lollipops.
johnbourbon 1 year ago
@johnbourbon Liberals have been at the forefront of EVERY great movement in history. Ending slavery was liberal, Jesus was liberal, women's right's was liberal. What can conservatives have pride for? War on drugs? No child left behind? Vietnam/Iraq wars? All disasters. Again, it's no surprise that liberals on average have higher IQ's than conservatives. Chomsky can see imperialism, Fuckley can't.
jayrusniak1 1 year ago
@jayrusniak1 which is why you dear precious liberals, with your phenomenal IQs have had exactly ONE two term president in over 60 years. and you can take your commie chomsky rant and shove it directly into your borscht hole.
because nobody's buying it, darling.
johnbourbon 1 year ago 2
@johnbourbon Study Marxism and you'll learn he didn't want liberal voters around because they hold the corporations back from becoming completely totalitarian. Once the regulation goes out the window you'll eventually get an overthrow and socialism on the other side. You don't have to be communist to care about your community. I believe american imperialism is relevant, but empires were made to fall. we will not last, little liberal countries like france will
jayrusniak1 1 year ago
@jayrusniak1 yes, 'study marxism'. that's the first thing i'll do tomorrow, i promise.
johnbourbon 1 year ago
@johnbourbon Yes, you better study Marxism, an ideology that no credible historian, writer, or political scientist takes seriously anymore. Practically everything that Marx wrote, especially on dialectical and historical materialism, has been discredited. Marx was wrong on nearly everything he wrote about: instead of industrialized societies, Marxism only took hold in backwards agrarian societies like Russia, China, and Cambodia, and led to tens of millions of people being murdered.
versus79 1 year ago
@jayrusniak1 Ending slavery: Lincoln, a republican. War on drugs: Nixon(you get his one) a republican. Who advocated for it to end? Buckley. and while Nixon called it the war on drugs, most of it was made illegal during the time of one of americas most racist presidents of the 20th century: FDR. No Child left behind: written by Ted Kennedy Vietnam: Started by Kennedy, put in the gutter by LBJ. Iraq: Bush, kept going by Obama.
Yep, seems like liberalism is great!
acmna 4 months ago
"I'm tired of living." You could say, wow, that is depressing. But it makes death(what he knew was coming soon) much easier to face.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
William F Buckley was a very thoughtful, intelligent man. You can tell by the way he talks and the words he uses. That alone makes him very respectable.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
He was such a shrewd devil. A man with a hollow personality and pedantic tongue.
WhenLilacsLast 1 year ago
@WhenLilacsLast Nothing hollow about him. He founded a powerful political movement which still thrives . He influenced & mentored many thinkers,writers & leaders. He was a civil man with a gift for cultivating friendships among all manner of people--including many of his ideological foes. In this contentious age we all could learn his lesson of civilized opposition. And,on a personal note,his books & tv appearances helped rescued me from the errors of the left. Bless his soul.
sleedolfine15 1 year ago
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"Errors on the left." Amen. But don't go to far to the right either. It is best to stay in the middle. Be open minded, but not so open minded that your brain falls out(which it seems has happened to many on the left.) And people who cling to much to the right seem very close minded.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
@WhenLilacsLast ah another liberal espousing boogie man theories. evil this, devil that. tell me, when you wake from your sugarplum-camelot dream, who will be there to change your little diaper?
johnbourbon 1 year ago
While I cannot say I agree with the conservatism of Bill Buckley -- case n point -- see his interview with Huge Hefner, I can say with certainty that he was never boring to listen to. Alas, we all die and fade off into oblivion. For now, I'll remember Bill as one of the more likable and intelligent of the conservatives. Most today suck and are pig headed non-thinking cold reptiles.
TheTonylearner 1 year ago 2
While I cannot say I agree with the conservatism of Bill Buckley -- case n point -- see his interview with Huge Hefner, I can say with certainty that he was never boring to listen to. Alas, we all die and fade off into oblivion. For now, I'll remember Bill as one of the more likable and intelligent of the conservatives. I don't think another can take his place. Most today suck and are pig headed non-thinking dip shits.
TheTonylearner 1 year ago
Charlie Rose you were invited to go sailing with William Buckley and you were busy with something or someone else? Wow!
virtuallybliss 1 year ago
What a wonderful dedication by Charlie Rose...and to such a gregarious and loving conservative thinker like Buckley who I have come to know through his "Firing Line" show here on Youtube, otherwise I don't think I would have known that voice and style that he has which I think is absolutely brilliant.
owenline 1 year ago 3
Charlie sounds and looks like he's about to cry. Understandably so, Bill was the man. That's all I can say and I pride myself on being something of an articulate speaker, but I pale in comparison to the man, the myth, the legend that was William F. Buckley. Rest in Peace, Sir.
PeterBluth 2 years ago 34
He'll be sorely missed?
wormdrink414 2 years ago
Haha charlie rose, to think he could care less about you...
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago
You think?
DermochelysCoriacea 2 years ago
It is interesting to note that Winston Churchill had similar words to Buckley.
"I'm bored with it all." Winston Churchill
Before slipping into a coma. He died 9 days later.
mackdan7 2 years ago
I did not like Buckley. Before Faux News "Fair and Balanced" there was Firing Line. He loved to grill an opponent pinned between himself and another right winger either seated or standing as an examiner. The show was always stacked towards the right wing. He must have gotten production advice from Roger Ailes. But I was an avid Firing Line watcher to see how the intellectual jousting match would turn out. And yes Buckley was a prince compared to just about everyone else in his movement. RIP.
brookwoodt 2 years ago
I know what you mean, i disagree with most of what he said- but i do always liked watching him joust with his guests- i often find myself watching clips of old debates in fact, just to remind myself that yes, once upon a time people actually argued rationally and intelligently on television.
QuixoticM 2 years ago
Have you ever seen an episode of Firing Line? For many years the examiner was the liberal journalist Michael Kinsley, and before him people like Jeff Greenfield and others with left-of-center ideological tendencies.
smc315007 2 years ago
Jeff Greenfield early in his career wrote media criticism for Commentary - hardly a left leaning publication. Yes Kinsley was an examiner and so was Mark Green but they were to my recollection usually examining two conservatives - Buckley and his guest.
My point is that Firing Line stacked the deck towards the conservative side - not too hard but certainly enough to be clearly noticeable. This tactic in my view is the forerunner of Fox News which always lets the right have the last word.
brookwoodt 2 years ago
I didn't always agree with the man but I did & still do respect his intelligence, wit & charm.
teufeldritch 2 years ago 3
When I was a young, college student---decades ago, it was Buckley via his books,magazine and tv appearances,who taught me that their was no contradiction between being a conservative and being intelligent,civil,tolerant,decent,witty,erudite and a host of other adjectives I could ascribe to him. Like Ronald Reagan,Buckley's many virtues made the movement he helped to sire and lead an acceptable alternative to the left.I thank him for the many idealogical errors from which he rescued me.
sleedolfine15 2 years ago 5
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Reagan was a child of Satan.
VanDoodah 2 years ago
It is a testamony to that " child of Satan " that his influence--felt through tea parties and angry town meetings is --even from the grave, more than capable of teaching the present holder of Reagan 's old job, how to lead a political movement.
sleedolfine15 2 years ago
buckley had balls of solid rock
RIP Mr Buckley
reaguirre 2 years ago 15
Buckley's show Firing Line was boring and that was because I was a kid in the 1980s. The only thing that I liked was the theme song. It was only that I've matured enough to admire his conservative arguments in a charming, witful manner. He was never a loudmouth like the shock jocks @ fox news or MSNBC. He made PBS special....Now he's gone...forever...just like Louis Rukeyser, Mr. Rogers, Shari Lewis, Alistair Cooke, Justin Wilson, Julia Child, etc. Is Public TV dying I wonder?
Rodimus78 2 years ago 3
It takes a man to say "I'm tired of life"... What a guy
Th3CarEnthusiast 2 years ago 3
"I'm tired of life".
CaptainBluebear08 2 years ago
"I thought hell is bound to be a livelier place, as he joins forever those whom he served in life, applauding their prejudices and fanning their hatred."
(Gore Vidal, June 15 2008)
CaptainBluebear08 2 years ago
Gore Vidal is a horse's ass.
Reggie1971 2 years ago
damn i can watch him for hours, he mesmerizes me
too bad there are so few men like him
4zion4life 2 years ago 3
or check out buckley verbally bitch slap jesse jackson
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4zion4life 2 years ago
buckley is sexier than pitt and beckham combined
watch how he rips chomsky a new one
4zion4life 2 years ago
rose is an over-rated wind bag who kisses the butt of anyone famous.
JadeTomZ 2 years ago
Get stuffed
pravaslavet 2 years ago
This guy is still dead right? Good.
gageisgage 2 years ago
Buckley was an excellent tipper.
envision43 2 years ago
Great interview. Genuine, thoughtful, honest, griping.
OwlInTruth 2 years ago 3
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rickdangerwood 2 years ago
It's awful to see Buckley so morose
daniel1402002 2 years ago
"Because I'm tired of life."
When you can say those words with a satisfied, only slightly wistful grin, you're speaking from an avenue of utterly refined wisdom.
Talloweed 2 years ago 6
Yeah, Death doesn't affect us anyways.^^
HumanStrategy 2 years ago
Creep?? That's it? Any reason?
Rose has brought out the best in some great people. Go watch CBS's pathetic tribute of the greatest Conservative that ever lived. Now THAT'S creepy. Who was it anyway, that airhead Katie Couric?
pfft.. I can't even remember.
cmovbe 2 years ago 3
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Wow, that reporter is such a creep!
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Yzk1nv 3 years ago
You're talking about tits in the comments section of a video about the late William Buckley? Are you fucking nutz?
HumanStrategy 2 years ago
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Wow, I wish that the so called 'conservatives' of today would be as openly snobby as Buckley was. Seriously man, their PR makes em look like total populists. Hitler too had this populist sheen. Sarah Palin just blows my mind. Not in a good way. She's like Bush with tits. Just a PR puppet the GOP throws up so they can do what they want behind the scenes. Joe Six Packs? Maverick? Sure, and Christians are an oppressed minority here in the states. Anyone want to buy some property in Louisianna?
shumich 3 years ago
Buckley was a very brilliant man. He was a conservative of a very old school that most modern conservatives view as "elitist."
RevAlex 3 years ago 6
Wonderful excerpt of both Buckley and Rose -- thank you for putting it on.
Cardigannot 3 years ago 7
WFB was amazingly intelligent. As a founder of the modern conservative movement, we all owe him a great debt of gratitude. As for his detractors, they're not even terriers nipping at his heels. That's an insult to terriers.
tnorling 3 years ago 9
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fctchk 2 years ago
WFB postured as an intellectual -cultivating external trappings of same: British accent, bombastic vocabulary, darting tongue, twinkle eye (so the American audience -the only such to mistake him for an intellectual- would be alerted to the extra special super duper cleverness of what he just said prior to twinkling) etc.
As if his ardent Catholicism was not sufficient evidence of his intellectual vacuity, he obliged us with coming out on the side of "Intelligent Design" against Evolution.
fctchk 2 years ago
Well fctchk, thank you for defining an intellectual for me: British accent, bombastic vocabulary, darting tongue (who knew?) and twinkle eye (I suppose you meaning twinkling eyes). So you don't like his politics or his persona. That still doesn't make him an idiot or you a genius.
tnorling 2 years ago 5
Quite right, my opinion of Buckleigh's politics or persona is immaterial.
What undermines his claims to stature as an intellectual are his ardent Catholicism, support for "Intelligent Design" as opposed to Evolution, support for the Vietnam War, opposition to the civil rights movement; None of the aforementioned either intellectually or ethically tenable.
fctchk 2 years ago
I think some would disagree that being Catholic and being an intellectual are mutually exclusive, however, continued support for the Vietnam War is untenable as is opposition to civil rights. You have to approach Buckley like Catholics do the Church - cafeteria style.
As far as Catholicism and intelligent design, I am vaguely familiar with both but not enought to make a comment on his intellectual honesty regarding either.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification fctchk.
tnorling 2 years ago
Why wouldn't intellectual design be tenable? You just make a bold denouncement, and then leave it there. He simply disbelieves exnihilism.
Reggie1971 2 years ago
If you need to ask why creationism "wouldn't be tenable" vis-à-vis evolution you either don't know what either entail or share Buckleigh's vacuity.
I made a statement of fact. It can be verified here where Buckleigh can be seen in all his usual, pompous, vacuous, equivocating, full bloviating glory: /watch?v=OoJbri9Yem0 at 04:19.
Buckleigh sides with creationism against evolution. My point stands.
fctchk 2 years ago
You don't make a substantive point. You just use ad hominem attacks against those who disagree with you. There is a commonly held distinction between creationism and "intelligent design" The former is specificative. The latter entails that the universe came about as a willful act, which could encompass deism as well as theism.
Reggie1971 2 years ago 5
Buckley was Catholic and acknowledges it in the link you provide. But he also argues against certain tenants of evolution in a manner that is irrespective of his Catholic faith, but he does not as far a I know fully discount the notion that the evolution of life occurs on some level. The point is that intelligent design and evolution are not mutually exclusive.
Reggie1971 2 years ago 4
Sums it up perfectly. He was sublime.
:)
Reggie1971 2 years ago 5
WFB is a hero...amazing life
TheLouisvilleLip 3 years ago 29
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He's a fucking scary creep.
sturgonhaldor 3 years ago
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bill buckley looks very evil, and his contempt for others peoples views suggest he probably is one...a pure BLUE BLOOD. He even looks like a damn dinosaur...
JueputaGuebon 3 years ago
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Agree. Pure evil. :D
sturgonhaldor 3 years ago
May you RIP WFB.
4000angels 3 years ago 5
Although I appreciate his charm and his vocabulary, I don't appreciate these in the context of conservative policies. I do respect him on this note, he thought for himself and was willing to change his point of view if it no longer made sense to him.
clod8 3 years ago
clod: Very few do seem to think for themselves.
Humans are often not much more than sheep . . . the main difference being we cannot sheer ourselves for sweaters. ;)
NGS712 3 years ago
I second that :)
DermochelysCoriacea 3 years ago
Agree with him or not, he made a difference. How many of us can say that in the end?
1oo8jm 3 years ago 5
Alright I rescind that last comment and take it back. He takes me aback to reflect upon the well lived life of a certain William F. Buckley.
ludachris475 3 years ago
ludachris: Do you intentionally make yourself so vague as to make it difficult to see exactly where you stand?
NGS712 3 years ago 2
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That toilet smile,
That antique face.
He will be missed.
(*Flush*)
ludachris475 3 years ago
I cried.
It makes my incessant weeping uncontrollable.
ludachris475 3 years ago
I think that studying this man's work was sort of like taking classes at Yale.
ZenPapageno 3 years ago
American champion of free market enterprise, who will be greatly miss, from admirer of you all the way from Hong Kong.You are one of the greatest Eli ever made S&B322 the top dog fraternity in the world.Rest in peace!
bchanhk40 3 years ago
Skull and Bones is not a fraternity. It is a secret society. Deke is a fraternity.
margotdarby 3 years ago
I never agreed with Willian F.Buckley but I do morn his death.I tree of ideas has died from the forest of of comformity on both sides of the political spectrum.He will be missed in the forest of ideas.See ya Bill.
CB48197 3 years ago 2
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"I never agreed with Willian F.Buckley but I do morn his death"
I probably agreed with a few things he said, but I concur with your sentiment. The one thing you could count on from WFB Jr was an intelligent and (usually) civil debate - good luck with having that these days. I liked watching his "Firing Line" when I was young, and I have always had tremendous respect for this man. RIP.
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GallagherXXX 3 years ago
What a wonderful life he lead, I hope I can say what he said when I'm 80!
favre16 3 years ago 3
I AM SO SORRY! JUST JOKING, OAIGHT?
GallagherXXX 3 years ago
Gallagher: You said you were joking before. Plus I don't really see what's so funny.
NGS712 3 years ago
YOU ARE-ALL YOU US AND A LIKE ANALS!!!!
GallagherXXX 3 years ago
Gallagher: Why am I funny? If you don't have a problem with Buckley why do you keep posting these stupid comments?
NGS712 3 years ago
What a beautiful and touching tribute. Bill would have been proud of you Charlie.
bbxx44 3 years ago 2
Anyone who is remotely interested in this era should acquaint themselves with right wing cretin extra-ordinaire Roy Cohn, McCarthys wingman....a closeted homosexual who black-mailed J Edgar Hoover [ that closeted tyrant] by threatening to expose his [ Hoovers] true sexual inclinations. That Ann Coulter celebrates this dark era is no surprise.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago
The corruption and malevolence of McCarthy and his cohorts well desreves its place in American history. Anyone who cares even a little about free speech should well remianed horrified at the tactics used, tactics which were siamese with those used by Mao and Stalin to consilidate their power. This country has never be so perilously close to out right tyranny.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago
Greetings, Bucket. Although, one ought not presume lightly, I will do so and suggest that you don't seem to find much antipathy in your soul for communism as an idealogy. One certainly could conclude that McCarthy became ruinous, but not in the way the you intimate. In fact, the extent of communist infiltration--directed by the Soviets--was NOT overstated by McCarthy. Yes. It is understood that he was a boor and a drunk. But notwithstanding revisionism, the gist of his case was justifiable.
ciejoh 3 years ago
McCarthy, by the way, was little more than an alcoholic opportunist. He saw HUAC as his meal ticket and left the political scene only after a resounding public humiliation brought on by his exra-ordinary indecency. His wingman re these witch trials, Roy Cohn, was, like J Edgar Hoover, a self hating homosexual. It was ALL lies.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago
Roy Cohn! lol he Roy and G. David Schine (who were by the way in a homosexual relationship), finagled and implied that this was a conspiracy from the US Army! contrary to McCarthy's wishes. Roy Cohn (and his father albert) were also knee deep in the take! seriously refresh your knowledge...
Cohn alleged that McCarthy was an anti-Semite and meant to use the Army to purge the Government of Jews! Btw Alger Hiss & Dean Acheson corresponded with Cohn regularly!
lictor313 3 years ago
In terms of documentation re Anericas insane, hyper-paranod gunslinging behavior in the Cold War, I refer you to LEGACY OF ASHES, which is the most well resourced analysis of the CIA ever written [ 200 pages of source material]. Yje American public has been lied to and 'disinformed' for 60 years...and counting.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago
The over-estimation of the Soviet threat has been well documented, since the the early 50's, and well supported by a raft of internal CIA/NSA documents. Those who posited that the Soviet system was too backwards, internally paranoid and massively inefficient to begin to compete with the American military were dead right. The Soviet collapse was not the result of Regans speeches, but the internal rot of depraved, inhuman ideology.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago
everything that came before 1994 regarding McCarthy's overestimation of the communist penetration of america is now OBSOLETE. Even the most ardent anti-McCarthyists now concede this... i'd suggest you review the facts.
Lol the HUAC was political suicide for Joe, far from his meal ticket it destroyed him as an individual, and everyone in his surrounding warned him that's what would happened. Joe knew that this could have him destroyed or even assassinated.
lictor313 3 years ago
Most left leaning pundits have been exremely kind to the late William F. Buckley, lauding him for his well lived life [ adept sailor, dinner host par excellence, personable fellow, cuunning linguist..] and going soft on or fully ignoring his penchant for racism and unashamed support for Joe McCarthy and his gulag mentality. What galls this liberal are any and all compparisons with witless hysterics like Ann Coulter.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago
gulag mentality? im sorry but his action precisely opposed what leads to Gulags.
And as the fact are now being discovered, it turns out McCarthy was largely correct. the National Security Agency (which intercepted every Soviet message between the US and USSR) released in 94 the first 1400 of 240 000 correspondences. Their content were supportive of the contentions of not only McCarthy but Whittaker Chambers, Elizabeth Bentley, Hoover, and others.
lictor313 3 years ago 2
lictor: I think there is a difference between going after Communists in the gov't. and going after people who may lean towards it in the film industry.
Also about that Oliver guy, I hate political correctness. ;)
NGS712 3 years ago
McCarthy was the only voice in America speaking out against those in government that were Communists, fellow-travelers (liberals who believed in but did not join the Communist Party), Russian sympathizers, and Stalin apologists (the very architect of the GULAG).
Its widely acknowledged that Alger Hiss Dean Rusk, were communist internationalists. Even Harry Dexter White purposely withheld allocated funding for the Chinese Nationalists,to thwart their efforts against Mao's Communists...
lictor313 3 years ago 2
dinnerbucket9, if you did any diggin (outside CNN, ABC and similar sheets and "news services" you'd know that no one in academia seriously denies the McCarthy allegations, they are now accepted as fact.
All of this has been revised by the Accuracy In Academics conference on McCarthy, the declassified FBI records are now a matter of public record... I even saw this on C SPAN!
lictor313 3 years ago
his speeches should also of interest (particularly his "Conspiracy or Degeneracy" he gave at the congress of freedom in 67? i believe) / he was also a high operative of the War Department during WW2- and was decorated by Roosevelt (who he described as a "diseased degenerate")
but I must warn you, he makes no effort for political correctness, which for me makes him a sort of guilty pleasure to read... anyways
lictor313 3 years ago
Tomorrow you will live, you always cry;
In what fair country does this morrow lie,
That 'tis so mighty long ere it arrive?
Beyond the Indies does this morrow live?
'Tis so far-fetched, this morrow, that I fear
'Twill be both very old and very dear.
'Tomorrow I will live,' the fool does say;
Today itself's too late -- the wise lived yesterday.
-Marcus Valerius Martialis
RIP WFB (I must also salute his friend Revilo Pendleton Oliver- both were the best men of the past generation)
lictor313 3 years ago
lictor: Very nice tribute.
Who is Revilo Pendleton Oliver?
NGS712 3 years ago
lol, I wouldn't want to antagonize this board, but he was an erudite classics professor (who exhibited an equivalent mastery of English as WFB)... he was a man whom Buckley adored, admired and respected... but Oliver's views on race eventually forced Buckley to desist his rapports with him (what oliver had to say about blacks would for instance scare the pants off most people)
but he Buckley's best friend- and was Buckley's best man at his wedding
lictor313 3 years ago
lictor: Don't wory about antagonization. Someone already compared WFB to Ann Coulter. :|
So is this Oliver someone not worth listening to/reading about?
NGS712 3 years ago
well (not in public at least!) i read many of his works (of which I do not always agree with), you may want to read his Origins Of Christianity (which are available online - all 13 chapters)
He apparently had co-written a book I found quite titillating (that is Imperium, by Francis Parker Yockey), you may also consult his "America's Decline: The Education of a Conservative" and his "Populism" and "Elitism" published in 1982.
he also wrote for Buckley's own National Review and American opinion
lictor313 3 years ago
lictor: It's a shame we are now mainly past the time when there were Conservatives who actually wrote constructive, intellectual works.
NGS712 3 years ago
That basic fact should be obvious to every sentient right-winger, but in our political culture what should have been a rational and truly progressive ideology (real conservatism- that of the 50's and 60's) has so been defiled and perverted by the media that it is now merely a vehicle to activate and excite the very dregs of conservatism (the religions fundamentalists and the unthinking dispossessed blue collar class).
gone are the enlightening principles of Buckley, Oliver et al.
lictor313 3 years ago
lictor: As with most TV, the media is out to entertain rather than inform. Both ideologies have been hijacked by extremists who just fuel the partisan fire.
NGS712 3 years ago
That dull minded, avidly anti-intellectual thugs like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter celebrate Buckley without much remark is numbing. Both would need tutors to navigate much of what he said and put down on paper and even then I suspect the tutor would soon resign citing the dull fact of the Hopeless Case. That Buckley could comfortably associate with those who fully disagreed with him further proves the lie, as these two live only to demonize the same.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago
I disagreed with a lot of WFB's positions, but I've always respected--if not outright admired--him and his style. The last bit of the interview, when he says he's tired of life, is just heartbreaking. He musters some of the old miscief in his eyes, but you can tell he's dead serious.
Rest in Peace, WFB.
sweeneyt1 3 years ago 2