Test your favorite HHO machine if effective or NOT. Park the car, start engine to normal temperature, run to 1500 rpm and hold it there by using tools or wedges. Turn ON your HHO machine. Check the RPM goes up to 1600 or more, it is GOOD. If RPM goes down or the same, your HHO machine is ineffective, useless, and waste of time, effort and money. Any seller will pass this test, BUY their HHO machine. (Forget the driving around wasting more gas, or read On Board Computer Instant MPG).
@Crst121092 as a chemist I would be much more worried about the polymer based seals and gaskets. Acetone will fubar those long before it does anything to aluminum.
now im incredibly SHOCKED as to how much mileage im squeezing out of my 94 ford explorer. original mpg was around 12 - 16 mpg. NOW??.......hahah...are you ready?.....32mpg!!!! im tellin ya, i almost shit myself on this one. so far, there have been zero problems with the motor for 2 months and still purrs every day since the modifications. maybe you should try what im doing? ill be doing 2 oz. acetone per 5 gallons gas tomorrow. try acetone with your setup, you may get even better gains ;)
though, you do have to be extremely careful not to lean out the fuel mixture to the point youll overheat your engine and ruin it. if you run in the "normal" operating temperatures zone then you dont want to go over that zone ever! im currently running without hho. im using the 1 liquid oz. of acetone per 3 gallons of gas to increase mileage and works fine. i notice acetone drops engine temp drastically so i can lean out the mixture to extremes. now i run in the middle of normal temp zone. :)
ok, all these MAP and MAF enhancers are a major pain in the butt. i dont understand why people have to go that route? your vehicle should have o2 sensors. get technical info on the o2 sensors signal wire. measure the voltage output and go from there. i have 2 o2 sensors on mine. i linked both sensors signal wires together just using simple speaker wire. and installed a home made device using just a resistor soldered to a 20ohm potentiometer to increase the signal voltage and it works :)
Hho helps your gas burn better. If you take to much power you are just replacing gas and losing power because hho takes more energy than it gives. Try running 20-25 amps.
The worst thing you can do is remove the O2 sensors for sure. That was bad advice for older cars but really bad for newer ones. Also, we have found a special way to calibrate the mileage chip that works better if you are having trouble getting mileage gains using an hho generator...
5 lpm is a high amount of hho to inject without a mileage chip or efie setup. Of course the cars ecu is going to negate any major gains. The sticker mileage is always overstated...
I think the fact that you are using 65 amps is a heavy load on alternator too. But I would definitely try it with a mileage chip...and compare readings. Ours puts out 5-6 liters at 45 amps...but I wouldn't even attempt it without an efie or mileage chip. Interesting though that the ecu is adjusting and improving...
@HHOPWR Gains? Honestly? You didn't get any gains by that thing. If anything it reduces your mileage. I suspect the gains you saw, providing your math was correct, was more likely due to driving habits. I can increase my mileage by 20% too. All I have to do is drive very carefully and over-inflate my tires a little and BAMMO! instant 20% gain. But this is bad for the tires and can cause a blowout. Plus, I hate micro-managing my driving habits. Like your jar, too much to keep up with.
@knineu02 "LIKE MY JAR" I am done responding to you. You are too closed minded to even look at the system I was running. If all you want to do is bash then go bash somewhere else. I hope for your sake that you are not this close minded with everything else in your life.
I really do appreciate you going to all this trouble. I'm still under the impression that introducing an inefficiency in increased engine load to introduce an efficiency in combustion is a zero sum process at best. However, having some quantifiable data is significantly better than someone claiming "I got 68 MPG with HHO!". Thanks for the video!
"HHO" is a HHOax. These silly things take more energy from the crankshaft than they return. They will REDUCE fuel economy, but will NEVER increase it! Not unless you can find a 100% efficient alternator belt, 100% efficient alternator, 100% efficient electrolyser and a 100% efficient internal combustion engine, "HHO" systems won't do so much as break even. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics says 'no free lunch!'
I bought a 4X4 because I live in Alaska and 4WD is a must to be safe. I bought a truck with a 4.0 V6 so I could tow my boat and go fishing. As for riding a bike, maybe you would enjoy that at 20 below with 12" of fresh snow but I would not. As for buying a used Metro, I could not even pay the insurance for the second car with the fuel I would save let alone the car. As for selling the HHO thing. It is not for sale. It is a big source of pleasure for me but is no longer on the truck.
The average of those numbers is 11.9 MPG. 12.6 is 5.88 percent better. This video was done in April in warmer weather. It is a well documented fact that each 10F increase in temp improves MPG by 2.1 percent. Warm air is less dense so there is less pounds of air to push out of the way. Also, measuring by first pump click off is no where near accurate. Pump click off depends on the nozzle sensing pressure, who knows how accurate that is each time? NOBODY. 5 LPM had NO EFFECT in my opinion.
Very similar results before and after. Any slight improvement could easily be because of a slightly lighter wishful foot. After all, this guy was already 2+ mpg worse than the 14 mpg city rating.
I still have not seen any credible evidence anywhere that shows that an HHO system can have any benefits at all.
Allow me to put an end to the mystery. Watch this new video for ABSOLUTE proof that it is IMPOSSIBLE for HHO to increase miles per gallon. Good stuff.
Since you run mostly in the day time why not run the HHo generator on solar? Do you filter the water that goes into the unit I was toying with a HHO gen at home and filtering the water had improved results. I guess you have to have the large vehicle that is a monster fuel bill.
You should get a VMU unit from Alex Sardo (HHO forever) it will solve your ECU problems...they don't get "confused" they simply process information. runnning HHO into the engine will increase the Oxygen present in the exaust. The ECU will add more fuel to offset the lean reading it is getting from the O2 sensors...the VMU takes care of all of this, among other things.
this results are little hard to believe with that kind of setup. every car that has O2 sensor connected to OBD2 will not give any noticeable increase some times its even worst. I have HHO on my 2002 V8 durango and I could not get any noticeable MPG increase until I installed MAP enhancer. my friend had similar problem with his 2004 Toyota and I have many other examples. so could u pls explain how it is working without MAP/MAF or O2 enhancer? what is different on your truck that makes it work?
Here is the difference. My truck is almost new. The newer the vehicle the more sofisticated the ECU especially vehicles like mine with wide band A/F sensors instead of normal O2's. The ECU will give alot more leaway as to allowing one sensor to be a little out of tolerence if all others are reading normal. It will not give alot but it will give some. It saves the manufacturer warranty claim bills and increases customer satisfaction by reducing check engine lights.
thanks for reply, but the thing is the car I mentioned 2004 toyota it has the wide band sensors too and it did not get any increase of MPG. I dont know how much sophisticated got ECUs on new nissan cars and if the ECU is main key for that. I'll try to do some more research about how new ECUs got improved on nissan cars.
There is a big difference between 2004 and 2008 in ECU technology. The problem you address is a huge concern when trying to boost mileage with HHO. All vehicles react differently. There is simply no single formula for success.
This is why it would be difficult at best to go main stream with HHO boosters. Without the car manufacturers buy-in the technology will forever remain in the realm of do-it-yourselfers. The booster design and CPU integration IS different for almost every make and model. Conceptually the same, but the tuning is not for the every day folks. I can imagine that there are laws against tampering with your own property if you piss off the corporations. (cut into their profits: Gas, gas tax, etc..)
@giozera hey. interesting to see. i believe there are more people who could "cook the books" too. Hydrogen IS the future and it's time the world see the potential. hmmm...
If you find the way the Navy makes oxygen on the subs then you'll have the best way to split hydrogen from the molecule. The U.S has the secret. They make Oxygen for (sometimes) hundreds + people.
I really need to get an updated video done as soon as I find the time. I am up to a 20% increase and still have not added any enhancers. The ECU is adapting to the HHO better.
It will be interesting to see any improvement gains when you install the specially coated plates that produce more HHO. Also, at only 15 MPH of stop and go driving in the cold for nearly 6,000 miles may have carbon coated your cylinders and valves. In time HHO should clean out that carbon and then you may again see even more MPG improvement. Finally, you may want to try resetting your ECM by disconnecting the POSITIVE side of your battery for 15 minutes and drive around like normal for awhile.
I have installed a very high efeciency 265 amp alternator. It is way more effecient than OEM alternators yet still takes 1 hp for every 24 amps. Yes 750 watts es equal to 1 hp but just like a gasoline engine all electrical devices lose energy. Automotive alternators are not very effecient.
I have access to have IM tests run any time I want them. After I get done messing with everything I will test it side by side with an unmodified truck.
WHY WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOLLOWED BY NAME CALLING????????
I hope you do not actually think that you know everything! Many people do think that and they all miss out on what the open mind can learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Might not be that important now,but I will be doing a specific gravity test,to see if every time we fill up are cells,are we making the mixture any stronger which would increase the amps,what do you thin
Nice test and data recording ...You may find better results by supplementing power with an extra battery or two...I did tons of testing on my car little over a yr ago with out efies/map enhancers ,I never received any gains when hooked to the cars electrical system mostly loses.
I hooked my system to nothing but a spare battery in the trunk and got gains varying from 4- 8 mpg..I still use no efies or maps.I have done testing on 2 vehicles and this has been the only way i have seen gains...
With todays sofisticated ECU's and their programming designed to keep the engine at 14.7 to 1 air/fuel ratio just being able to use the kind of amps that I am and keep from losing mileage is a wil. My truck has wide band Air/fuel sensors instead of O2's which makes it even more sensitive. I am confident that I will be able to make nice gain s in the future. At 65 to 70 amps a normal battery would not last me long before losing voltage too fast to help.
I want to know if you still driving on HHO , what your total accumulated miles?
krammchalad 1 week ago
Test your favorite HHO machine if effective or NOT. Park the car, start engine to normal temperature, run to 1500 rpm and hold it there by using tools or wedges. Turn ON your HHO machine. Check the RPM goes up to 1600 or more, it is GOOD. If RPM goes down or the same, your HHO machine is ineffective, useless, and waste of time, effort and money. Any seller will pass this test, BUY their HHO machine. (Forget the driving around wasting more gas, or read On Board Computer Instant MPG).
bertulforc1 2 weeks ago
Here is how I know this is a scam. Simple physics:
It takes mechanical energy to make HHO gas ------1
Mechanical energy is produced by burning HHO gas ------2
But, there is always friction losses. So 2 is always less than 1. Hence HHO will give you LESS mileage than normal.
Gunner3210 2 months ago
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99DaveMurphy 3 months ago
Your channel shows you're either a true believer in these
scams or else a perpetrator of these scams.
rstevewarmorycom 3 months ago
with that sort of driving you should get a more efficient vehicle instead. Geesh. You're really keeping the middle east happy.
1impalaman 6 months ago
less than 1 mpg improvement by your own tests
TheDavidisnumber1 7 months ago
you should get the high mileage chip from hhokitsdirect, people are reporting better mpg with that installed in to the obdII port.
matrixloader 7 months ago
as a mechanic acetone will eat away at the aluminum pistons slowly , maybe five years .Once that happens throw the engine away
Crst121092 9 months ago
@Crst121092 as a chemist I would be much more worried about the polymer based seals and gaskets. Acetone will fubar those long before it does anything to aluminum.
swirlingabyss 6 months ago
now im incredibly SHOCKED as to how much mileage im squeezing out of my 94 ford explorer. original mpg was around 12 - 16 mpg. NOW??.......hahah...are you ready?.....32mpg!!!! im tellin ya, i almost shit myself on this one. so far, there have been zero problems with the motor for 2 months and still purrs every day since the modifications. maybe you should try what im doing? ill be doing 2 oz. acetone per 5 gallons gas tomorrow. try acetone with your setup, you may get even better gains ;)
bikr1975 9 months ago
though, you do have to be extremely careful not to lean out the fuel mixture to the point youll overheat your engine and ruin it. if you run in the "normal" operating temperatures zone then you dont want to go over that zone ever! im currently running without hho. im using the 1 liquid oz. of acetone per 3 gallons of gas to increase mileage and works fine. i notice acetone drops engine temp drastically so i can lean out the mixture to extremes. now i run in the middle of normal temp zone. :)
bikr1975 9 months ago
ok, all these MAP and MAF enhancers are a major pain in the butt. i dont understand why people have to go that route? your vehicle should have o2 sensors. get technical info on the o2 sensors signal wire. measure the voltage output and go from there. i have 2 o2 sensors on mine. i linked both sensors signal wires together just using simple speaker wire. and installed a home made device using just a resistor soldered to a 20ohm potentiometer to increase the signal voltage and it works :)
bikr1975 9 months ago
i wish gas was still 2.55 a gallon then i wouldnt worry about gas
101hottest101 9 months ago
12mpg? wow.. stop this shit and buy a new car instead.. This is not working. My car does 40mpg and runs on CBG...
taztaz79 9 months ago
You'd likely get the same results injecting propane into the intake manifold.
rwhhguy 10 months ago
Hho helps your gas burn better. If you take to much power you are just replacing gas and losing power because hho takes more energy than it gives. Try running 20-25 amps.
crazybiker420 10 months ago
The worst thing you can do is remove the O2 sensors for sure. That was bad advice for older cars but really bad for newer ones. Also, we have found a special way to calibrate the mileage chip that works better if you are having trouble getting mileage gains using an hho generator...
HybridWaterMan2 1 year ago
5 lpm is a high amount of hho to inject without a mileage chip or efie setup. Of course the cars ecu is going to negate any major gains. The sticker mileage is always overstated...
I think the fact that you are using 65 amps is a heavy load on alternator too. But I would definitely try it with a mileage chip...and compare readings. Ours puts out 5-6 liters at 45 amps...but I wouldn't even attempt it without an efie or mileage chip. Interesting though that the ecu is adjusting and improving...
HybridWaterMan2 1 year ago
@HHOPWR Gains? Honestly? You didn't get any gains by that thing. If anything it reduces your mileage. I suspect the gains you saw, providing your math was correct, was more likely due to driving habits. I can increase my mileage by 20% too. All I have to do is drive very carefully and over-inflate my tires a little and BAMMO! instant 20% gain. But this is bad for the tires and can cause a blowout. Plus, I hate micro-managing my driving habits. Like your jar, too much to keep up with.
knineu02 1 year ago
@knineu02 "LIKE MY JAR" I am done responding to you. You are too closed minded to even look at the system I was running. If all you want to do is bash then go bash somewhere else. I hope for your sake that you are not this close minded with everything else in your life.
HHOPWR 1 year ago
u pay 2 dollers per gallon?
mircs1979 1 year ago
@mircs1979 in Ecuador too... 2 dolar per galon
IQmaza 1 year ago
You sound like Tom Selleck.
shanefenton1 1 year ago
Dude I got 108 MPG with HHO in a Honda Civic VTEC -97.
Nichen 1 year ago
@Nichen WTF? 108 WTF? Were you huffing it?
GSRJosh33 1 year ago
I really do appreciate you going to all this trouble. I'm still under the impression that introducing an inefficiency in increased engine load to introduce an efficiency in combustion is a zero sum process at best. However, having some quantifiable data is significantly better than someone claiming "I got 68 MPG with HHO!". Thanks for the video!
fimblemccrumblewitz 1 year ago
What you think take a 200 miles test. The result was performed with 60 miles.
Good job for first test, congratulations, tks.
nitrico54 2 years ago
Optima redtop PSU cost 500 my efie and pwm both 400
EXgam3R 2 years ago
My 4 cyl. 08 tsx the MPG meter goes 60+mpg i use efie pwm and Optima PSU
EXgam3R 2 years ago
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"HHO" is a HHOax. These silly things take more energy from the crankshaft than they return. They will REDUCE fuel economy, but will NEVER increase it! Not unless you can find a 100% efficient alternator belt, 100% efficient alternator, 100% efficient electrolyser and a 100% efficient internal combustion engine, "HHO" systems won't do so much as break even. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics says 'no free lunch!'
revolxaohemwolb 2 years ago
I bought a 4X4 because I live in Alaska and 4WD is a must to be safe. I bought a truck with a 4.0 V6 so I could tow my boat and go fishing. As for riding a bike, maybe you would enjoy that at 20 below with 12" of fresh snow but I would not. As for buying a used Metro, I could not even pay the insurance for the second car with the fuel I would save let alone the car. As for selling the HHO thing. It is not for sale. It is a big source of pleasure for me but is no longer on the truck.
Larry
HHOPWR 2 years ago
The average of those numbers is 11.9 MPG. 12.6 is 5.88 percent better. This video was done in April in warmer weather. It is a well documented fact that each 10F increase in temp improves MPG by 2.1 percent. Warm air is less dense so there is less pounds of air to push out of the way. Also, measuring by first pump click off is no where near accurate. Pump click off depends on the nozzle sensing pressure, who knows how accurate that is each time? NOBODY. 5 LPM had NO EFFECT in my opinion.
1dannon7 2 years ago
Very similar results before and after. Any slight improvement could easily be because of a slightly lighter wishful foot. After all, this guy was already 2+ mpg worse than the 14 mpg city rating.
I still have not seen any credible evidence anywhere that shows that an HHO system can have any benefits at all.
a1mint 2 years ago
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Allow me to put an end to the mystery. Watch this new video for ABSOLUTE proof that it is IMPOSSIBLE for HHO to increase miles per gallon. Good stuff.
watch?v=5G9DAmt_jLk
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
Since you run mostly in the day time why not run the HHo generator on solar? Do you filter the water that goes into the unit I was toying with a HHO gen at home and filtering the water had improved results. I guess you have to have the large vehicle that is a monster fuel bill.
cdltpx 2 years ago
You should get a VMU unit from Alex Sardo (HHO forever) it will solve your ECU problems...they don't get "confused" they simply process information. runnning HHO into the engine will increase the Oxygen present in the exaust. The ECU will add more fuel to offset the lean reading it is getting from the O2 sensors...the VMU takes care of all of this, among other things.
DopplerQuartet 2 years ago
Maybe, if you give the cpu some time on the highway. It may just be a bit confused.
Wolf2274 2 years ago
this results are little hard to believe with that kind of setup. every car that has O2 sensor connected to OBD2 will not give any noticeable increase some times its even worst. I have HHO on my 2002 V8 durango and I could not get any noticeable MPG increase until I installed MAP enhancer. my friend had similar problem with his 2004 Toyota and I have many other examples. so could u pls explain how it is working without MAP/MAF or O2 enhancer? what is different on your truck that makes it work?
giozera 2 years ago
Here is the difference. My truck is almost new. The newer the vehicle the more sofisticated the ECU especially vehicles like mine with wide band A/F sensors instead of normal O2's. The ECU will give alot more leaway as to allowing one sensor to be a little out of tolerence if all others are reading normal. It will not give alot but it will give some. It saves the manufacturer warranty claim bills and increases customer satisfaction by reducing check engine lights.
Larry
HHOPWR 2 years ago
thanks for reply, but the thing is the car I mentioned 2004 toyota it has the wide band sensors too and it did not get any increase of MPG. I dont know how much sophisticated got ECUs on new nissan cars and if the ECU is main key for that. I'll try to do some more research about how new ECUs got improved on nissan cars.
giozera 2 years ago
There is a big difference between 2004 and 2008 in ECU technology. The problem you address is a huge concern when trying to boost mileage with HHO. All vehicles react differently. There is simply no single formula for success.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
This is why it would be difficult at best to go main stream with HHO boosters. Without the car manufacturers buy-in the technology will forever remain in the realm of do-it-yourselfers. The booster design and CPU integration IS different for almost every make and model. Conceptually the same, but the tuning is not for the every day folks. I can imagine that there are laws against tampering with your own property if you piss off the corporations. (cut into their profits: Gas, gas tax, etc..)
randohr 2 years ago
@giozera hey. interesting to see. i believe there are more people who could "cook the books" too. Hydrogen IS the future and it's time the world see the potential. hmmm...
thefeet 11 months ago
cool
samking12 2 years ago
If you find the way the Navy makes oxygen on the subs then you'll have the best way to split hydrogen from the molecule. The U.S has the secret. They make Oxygen for (sometimes) hundreds + people.
cathy8388 2 years ago
Secret?
What the hell are you talking about?
They ELECTROLYZE it with electricity from the nuclear reactor.
xxxxbubbaxxxx 2 years ago
Wow, that was funny. Comparing a submarine nuclear reactor to a car altenator.
1dannon7 2 years ago
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cathy8388 2 years ago
Very interesting! I'll be coming back to see the progress!
ffleischer 2 years ago
I really need to get an updated video done as soon as I find the time. I am up to a 20% increase and still have not added any enhancers. The ECU is adapting to the HHO better.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
excellent data sampling,
but my god.... 12mpg ........i was trying to improve on 46mpg.... 2.2 L mercedes diesel. arent we trying to save fuel here?
do you need a 4 L truck?
hhotechnology 2 years ago
I need something with enough power for towing. Living where I do I also need 4WD. Neither option lends to goof fuel economy.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
Larry,
Your scan gauge should provide some valuable info. If you could post following: with and without hho
1 throttle position on flat road @ 55
2 manifold pressure when efficiency of flame increases vacuum will go up at idle and cruise
3 average ignition timing at cruise and idle.
4 injector pulse width ( i dont think it shows that but idk)
5 engine load at cruise
intake air temp ( will go down if humid enough also gives indicator of how much vapor gets in)
thx Rob
higherpoweredh2o 2 years ago
It will be interesting to see any improvement gains when you install the specially coated plates that produce more HHO. Also, at only 15 MPH of stop and go driving in the cold for nearly 6,000 miles may have carbon coated your cylinders and valves. In time HHO should clean out that carbon and then you may again see even more MPG improvement. Finally, you may want to try resetting your ECM by disconnecting the POSITIVE side of your battery for 15 minutes and drive around like normal for awhile.
freeenergeeeee 2 years ago
Was Ethanol in gas this time and not previous ? Have you tried to retard timing ?
Are EPA test for milage done at sea level...? Nice data
llewgnal 2 years ago
We are still on winter gas up here and will be for a couple more months.
The knock sensors in the ECU will adjust the timing itself if needed.
I am not sure where EPA tests are done but I am sure they are not done at both sea level an 12 degrees F. Both of which hurt fuel economy.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
My first run on 1963 225 slant six, I lost 1 mile per gal,
llewgnal 2 years ago
Good test. Thanks for sharing the info.
higherpoweredh2o 2 years ago 2
that should only be like 1.2hp not 3hp unless alternators are less than 50% efficient
Rufe0 2 years ago
I have installed a very high efeciency 265 amp alternator. It is way more effecient than OEM alternators yet still takes 1 hp for every 24 amps. Yes 750 watts es equal to 1 hp but just like a gasoline engine all electrical devices lose energy. Automotive alternators are not very effecient.
HHOPWR 2 years ago
Great video, I wonder if it runs cleaner too?
insAneTunA 2 years ago
I have access to have IM tests run any time I want them. After I get done messing with everything I will test it side by side with an unmodified truck.
Larry
HHOPWR 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"I wonder if it runs cleaner too?"
Idiot.
WhatIsScientology 2 years ago
WHY WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOLLOWED BY NAME CALLING????????
I hope you do not actually think that you know everything! Many people do think that and they all miss out on what the open mind can learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HHOPWR 2 years ago
Might not be that important now,but I will be doing a specific gravity test,to see if every time we fill up are cells,are we making the mixture any stronger which would increase the amps,what do you thin
Hollywoods7 2 years ago
Nice test and data recording ...You may find better results by supplementing power with an extra battery or two...I did tons of testing on my car little over a yr ago with out efies/map enhancers ,I never received any gains when hooked to the cars electrical system mostly loses.
I hooked my system to nothing but a spare battery in the trunk and got gains varying from 4- 8 mpg..I still use no efies or maps.I have done testing on 2 vehicles and this has been the only way i have seen gains...
jdcmusicman 2 years ago
With todays sofisticated ECU's and their programming designed to keep the engine at 14.7 to 1 air/fuel ratio just being able to use the kind of amps that I am and keep from losing mileage is a wil. My truck has wide band Air/fuel sensors instead of O2's which makes it even more sensitive. I am confident that I will be able to make nice gain s in the future. At 65 to 70 amps a normal battery would not last me long before losing voltage too fast to help.
Larry
HHOPWR 2 years ago