ok thanks i'll check out the book, i'm just very skeptical and cynical when it comes to the western media and the way they report the world's events, i remember at the time it being so one sided and my father saying it was much more complex than the news suggested, there realy are no badies and goodies, not in terms of nations and conflict, certainly individuals are can be bad and co-orperations(bankers lol)but i can't help that see the serbs are taking all the blame, given history it's not fair
Prema ovome ispada da su se Hrvati i Slovenci odcijepili jer im se sprdnulo, a nitko ne spominje kako je Milošević koristio nacionalističku retoriku i dizao tenzije, kako je sredio ukinuće autonomije Kosovu i Vojvodini itd. Hrvatska i Slovenija nisu se proizvoljno odcijepile već su iskoristile svoje Ustavom iz 1974. godine zajamčeno pravo na autonomiju. Šta ova baba priča o tome kako JNA nije bila okupatorska? Ona to svakako nije trebala biti, ali je tako završila
fucking germans - why the hell they should have the ability to wield such power merely 20 years after WW2 I will never know - the world wanted yugoslavia split up - and the world conspired against her- well I remember in my youth when yugoslavia was a respected country - 3rd in fifa world rankings for fuck's sake - this was a modern multi-cultural country, a shining beacon of light for successful communism in the world - they were 'shut down' don't believe the hype people don't believe it ever
Don't be an arsehole dear man! James Baker and all the other EU and US political figures who are telling the story are not Serbs. Just because you and the other gimps who attack this documentary cannot accept the truth, you have to trash it. Unlike you idiots, I was there and saw this all for myself and believe me - we, the Serbs carry a hell of a lot of blame for all we did but truth is truth and this documentary tells it like it was!
this documentary is so untre and one sided showing the yugoslavia and it'is army as a victim with no live ammo LOL, yes of course the ex forth strongest army in europe was not carrying live ammo on combat mission, who can belive that... lol
@MeMo5682 you have been brainwashed - people on this documentry are well respected professionals in their field -from a time when british politics was ernest - not like it is now... serbia committed awful atrocities but the bad blood was sewn before that, long before, by german and hapsburgs - the croation hardcore nazi's are well known and awful - take a look at football hooliganism in croatia and you find the same people - cowards and bastards - learn the truth mate - you have been brainwashed
@rugbyboy198127 I been brainwashed ..G thank you..? Those hardocore nazi Croats didnt go to Belgrade to shoot everythings that moves did they .? Serbs did that . Did more than just that . they looted houses, executed ppl by thousands, raped, created concentration camps just like the nazis, Yes Croats are radicals and extremists also but they were not the one who started the war .Serbs did ,with their freshly new communist hero Slobodan followed by the dirty ass clerics.
@MeMo5682 well I certainly cannot abide such religious hatred - especially when directed at the orthadox church from the catholic and islamic worlds, are you crazy? actually the croats did start the war - well hitler I suppose, but the croats were scarily enthusiastic - even the german ss troops were shocked and apalled at their level of violence - begovic lied and cheated and reneged all his bloody life, he was full of it and clearly nothing he says can be trusted whatsoever, all side had camps
@MeMo5682 history is everything - when will you learn - if you don't want to know the history then you have no place talking about this subject at all... here is the truth - i am an outsider - totally objective, you however clearly have vested interest and your judgement is clouded by personal things etc... mine is not! check the history then maybe you will understand better.... cheers
LOL..So you are the voice of the truth? you dont even know what you are saying, you keep on talking about WW2. You are not the only Serb that tells me to learn history . but what history .?Milosevic history that leaft a whole country ignorant with fake history fabricated form hardcore Criminals . Bring here international Names books not your voice of the truth. You r not the only one who thinks its a history God here, other serbs think they know the real history ,I feel bad 4 m
@MeMo5682 how many times - i'm not a serb! i don't think your english is good enough for us to have this conversation - excuse my ignoance as your english is certainly far better than the little french/german i can speak - cos i am english lol not serb - i'm just interested in history and seek the truth behind the screen of lies! cheers and peace to all!
You r not a Serb .OK .From what i see you dont have a clue about Balkan history. I love history too and I hate hardcore nationalists regardeless of their flag . I can suggest you a book from Edith Durham Burden of the Balkans it a very realistic book striped of glorification and crap like that . This documentary is a pure propaganda its purpose was to justify the killings of thousands of civillians , genocide ,ethnic cleanings,BBC got some good war doc ,This is all crap
@MeMo5682 Our history books have a plenty of good to say about Serbs especially in WWI and WWII. Are you ready to come to America and change our history books? And, there are many many other nations' too.
This documentary isn't going to show any yugoslav army crimes. What about all the kids,mothers,old people that the terrorist army of yugoslavia killed?? This is made by a man who loves Serbia, or bi a Serb himself.
Who the fuck is this nag??? Did she fight in the war? She is not from Yugoslavia,and has no right to insult anyone,like she did to Slovenians and Croatians.
Pretty much serbian biased but I think - 16 years after end of the war and in the days when Croatia (retained 100% of its territory) is ahead of beign a part of EU - we MUST learn to listen the other side, at least. I telling this as a proud Croat WILLING to listen and learn to be tolerant.
This documentary is so NOT TRUE. 1:50 Yugoslav amry had real bullets, their problem was that it was an army of 18, 19 years old boys who served army in Slovenia. They didnt even know where they are. They were headed to take control of borders with Austria and Italy, but they were stopped by TO (Teritorial defense - Slo amry&police) on the baricades. We never ordered to fire on Yugoslav army 2:25. I dont know who is the director of this documentary, i guess the other side of medal (Serbian)
2:08 so what kind of war was it?stupid woman...3:22 ever heard of yugoslavian constitution from 1974?4:13 doesn't have to be,my grandfather served in JNA in Montenegro and at his station weren't Montenegros,there were only Croats,Serbs 1 Muslim and 1 Slovenian...similalry was by my other grandfather who served JNA in Serbia
...this video have a purpose to make victim and aggressor equally.Video have a lot of historical untruths,it's actually one of the stupidest documentaries about war in Yugoslavia.For example that Muslims killed their own people so they can blaim Serbs.Who killed 8,000 peoples in Srebrenica??.Whole video defends Serbs.Our people didn't know that Serbs were armoring them selves couple year before a war while we thought that there wouldn't be war.
This documentary is very funny. When you're making proserbian, proslovenian, procroatian, pro-whatever, at least you should try to mention everything what really happened (in this case Vukovar for example), based on real facts. It is enough to know that Milosevic used this documentary in Haag in his defense.
Totaly not true, Slovenians always had border under control, the army was there to protect it from neighburs, and further more, we let the JLA in their baracks, they were the first to exit baracks with tanks and started to attack our citys, Andrija Raseta didn't phone noone, he was a small time general posted in SLO, the command came from Belgrade, but luckaly we blocked baracks so JLA couldn't exit in full force, that saved our ass
WTF are you talking!? didnt you heard whats being said to you... Yugoslav Army was a 4 by strenght and numbers in Europe. Slovenia was small republic around 1.5million citizens. Slovenia had no Army... Yugoslav Army was Slovenian Army.
Now you said this: "but luckaly we blocked baracks so JLA couldn't exit in full force, that saved our ass" now tell me this: HOW DO YOU BLOCK TANKS AND WELL ARMED SOLDIERS WITH AIR SUPPORT TO LEAVE SOMEPLACE, WHEN U DONT HAVE A GUN!?!? Brainwash!!!!
No matter who did what and no one is exept from blame, there is one thing WRONG : Germans of all people, in the 60's meddling and supporting and directing former nazis (ustashis) to whatever agenda.
THAT IS WRONG NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT ! And that was the spark that ignited this huge mess (to be polite) !
hahaha lol JNA army was dominated by serbs and 90% of the jugoslav army generals were serbs . veljko kadijevic was a serb from his fathers side and he considered himself and behaved like a serb .
The 1974 constitution gave the right to every Yugoslav nation to choose independence. After printing "dinars" without control, after Serbs made it clear they want "great Serbia", Slovenes simply had no other choice... This "documentary" is Goebels style propaganda. Today we see that Serbs made a very wrong decision by following morons like Milošević, Karadžić, Mladić and Co.
This is bunch of crap only people that know what happen down there is the once that lived thru this like myself.....
LudiCroat 1 month ago in playlist Yugoslavia: The Avoidable War
ok thanks i'll check out the book, i'm just very skeptical and cynical when it comes to the western media and the way they report the world's events, i remember at the time it being so one sided and my father saying it was much more complex than the news suggested, there realy are no badies and goodies, not in terms of nations and conflict, certainly individuals are can be bad and co-orperations(bankers lol)but i can't help that see the serbs are taking all the blame, given history it's not fair
rugbyboy198127 5 months ago
Prema ovome ispada da su se Hrvati i Slovenci odcijepili jer im se sprdnulo, a nitko ne spominje kako je Milošević koristio nacionalističku retoriku i dizao tenzije, kako je sredio ukinuće autonomije Kosovu i Vojvodini itd. Hrvatska i Slovenija nisu se proizvoljno odcijepile već su iskoristile svoje Ustavom iz 1974. godine zajamčeno pravo na autonomiju. Šta ova baba priča o tome kako JNA nije bila okupatorska? Ona to svakako nije trebala biti, ali je tako završila
brajtnerinjo 5 months ago
fucking germans - why the hell they should have the ability to wield such power merely 20 years after WW2 I will never know - the world wanted yugoslavia split up - and the world conspired against her- well I remember in my youth when yugoslavia was a respected country - 3rd in fifa world rankings for fuck's sake - this was a modern multi-cultural country, a shining beacon of light for successful communism in the world - they were 'shut down' don't believe the hype people don't believe it ever
rugbyboy198127 5 months ago
hahaha koje sranje !!!!! trovanje ljudi lažima!
marulic1 5 months ago
@bezblage1
Don't be an arsehole dear man! James Baker and all the other EU and US political figures who are telling the story are not Serbs. Just because you and the other gimps who attack this documentary cannot accept the truth, you have to trash it. Unlike you idiots, I was there and saw this all for myself and believe me - we, the Serbs carry a hell of a lot of blame for all we did but truth is truth and this documentary tells it like it was!
MrSlomar 6 months ago
they didn't even show how the war actually started.
skulldrix 6 months ago
this is garbage....
Walpovchanin 7 months ago
There should be an "ADD to" button for "GARBAGE". That is where this belongs, with the other Serb propaganda films over the last 90 years.
bezblage1 7 months ago
this documentary is so untre and one sided showing the yugoslavia and it'is army as a victim with no live ammo LOL, yes of course the ex forth strongest army in europe was not carrying live ammo on combat mission, who can belive that... lol
hitriNo1 7 months ago
This documentary is HORSE SHIT.........Thats why im gonna stop watching it right here .......
As always serbs are the victims yeah right, this motherfuckers caused the worst atroccities since ww2 . Set the balkans in fire.
MeMo5682 7 months ago
@MeMo5682 you have been brainwashed - people on this documentry are well respected professionals in their field -from a time when british politics was ernest - not like it is now... serbia committed awful atrocities but the bad blood was sewn before that, long before, by german and hapsburgs - the croation hardcore nazi's are well known and awful - take a look at football hooliganism in croatia and you find the same people - cowards and bastards - learn the truth mate - you have been brainwashed
rugbyboy198127 5 months ago
@rugbyboy198127 I been brainwashed ..G thank you..? Those hardocore nazi Croats didnt go to Belgrade to shoot everythings that moves did they .? Serbs did that . Did more than just that . they looted houses, executed ppl by thousands, raped, created concentration camps just like the nazis, Yes Croats are radicals and extremists also but they were not the one who started the war .Serbs did ,with their freshly new communist hero Slobodan followed by the dirty ass clerics.
MeMo5682 5 months ago
@MeMo5682 well I certainly cannot abide such religious hatred - especially when directed at the orthadox church from the catholic and islamic worlds, are you crazy? actually the croats did start the war - well hitler I suppose, but the croats were scarily enthusiastic - even the german ss troops were shocked and apalled at their level of violence - begovic lied and cheated and reneged all his bloody life, he was full of it and clearly nothing he says can be trusted whatsoever, all side had camps
rugbyboy198127 5 months ago
@rugbyboy198127
Are you even on the same page with me .....?? who cares about wwII its long gone . Im talking about 15-20 years ago time that i could remember.
MeMo5682 5 months ago
@MeMo5682 history is everything - when will you learn - if you don't want to know the history then you have no place talking about this subject at all... here is the truth - i am an outsider - totally objective, you however clearly have vested interest and your judgement is clouded by personal things etc... mine is not! check the history then maybe you will understand better.... cheers
rugbyboy198127 5 months ago
@rugbyboy198127
LOL..So you are the voice of the truth? you dont even know what you are saying, you keep on talking about WW2. You are not the only Serb that tells me to learn history . but what history .?Milosevic history that leaft a whole country ignorant with fake history fabricated form hardcore Criminals . Bring here international Names books not your voice of the truth. You r not the only one who thinks its a history God here, other serbs think they know the real history ,I feel bad 4 m
MeMo5682 5 months ago
@MeMo5682 how many times - i'm not a serb! i don't think your english is good enough for us to have this conversation - excuse my ignoance as your english is certainly far better than the little french/german i can speak - cos i am english lol not serb - i'm just interested in history and seek the truth behind the screen of lies! cheers and peace to all!
rugbyboy198127 5 months ago
@rugbyboy198127
You r not a Serb .OK .From what i see you dont have a clue about Balkan history. I love history too and I hate hardcore nationalists regardeless of their flag . I can suggest you a book from Edith Durham Burden of the Balkans it a very realistic book striped of glorification and crap like that . This documentary is a pure propaganda its purpose was to justify the killings of thousands of civillians , genocide ,ethnic cleanings,BBC got some good war doc ,This is all crap
MeMo5682 5 months ago
@MeMo5682 Our history books have a plenty of good to say about Serbs especially in WWI and WWII. Are you ready to come to America and change our history books? And, there are many many other nations' too.
fairybellUSA 1 month ago
Bloody shameless propaganda.
No wonder there is no info on who directed and produced this documentary.
irena61 8 months ago
This documentary isn't going to show any yugoslav army crimes. What about all the kids,mothers,old people that the terrorist army of yugoslavia killed?? This is made by a man who loves Serbia, or bi a Serb himself.
FILIPMARK10 8 months ago
Who the fuck is this nag??? Did she fight in the war? She is not from Yugoslavia,and has no right to insult anyone,like she did to Slovenians and Croatians.
FILIPMARK10 8 months ago
Pretty much serbian biased but I think - 16 years after end of the war and in the days when Croatia (retained 100% of its territory) is ahead of beign a part of EU - we MUST learn to listen the other side, at least. I telling this as a proud Croat WILLING to listen and learn to be tolerant.
ProductionD3 8 months ago 2
This documentary is so NOT TRUE. 1:50 Yugoslav amry had real bullets, their problem was that it was an army of 18, 19 years old boys who served army in Slovenia. They didnt even know where they are. They were headed to take control of borders with Austria and Italy, but they were stopped by TO (Teritorial defense - Slo amry&police) on the baricades. We never ordered to fire on Yugoslav army 2:25. I dont know who is the director of this documentary, i guess the other side of medal (Serbian)
divacvlade 8 months ago
2:08 so what kind of war was it?stupid woman...3:22 ever heard of yugoslavian constitution from 1974?4:13 doesn't have to be,my grandfather served in JNA in Montenegro and at his station weren't Montenegros,there were only Croats,Serbs 1 Muslim and 1 Slovenian...similalry was by my other grandfather who served JNA in Serbia
Nikolajevic99 9 months ago
This documentary is just plain stupid...
marinm777 9 months ago
Serbian documentary. In other words, not truth.
marinm777 9 months ago
...this video have a purpose to make victim and aggressor equally.Video have a lot of historical untruths,it's actually one of the stupidest documentaries about war in Yugoslavia.For example that Muslims killed their own people so they can blaim Serbs.Who killed 8,000 peoples in Srebrenica??.Whole video defends Serbs.Our people didn't know that Serbs were armoring them selves couple year before a war while we thought that there wouldn't be war.
MrSargijas 9 months ago
THE TRUTH !!!!
MegaMikss 9 months ago
"avoidable war"??? The whole civil war was planed, prepared, financed and conducted by NATO countries!
edgar0001 9 months ago
This documentary is very funny. When you're making proserbian, proslovenian, procroatian, pro-whatever, at least you should try to mention everything what really happened (in this case Vukovar for example), based on real facts. It is enough to know that Milosevic used this documentary in Haag in his defense.
bijou201 9 months ago
It's funny to see foreigners writing in English haha
mty1 9 months ago
@mty1 but its sad to see foreigners "establishing peace" in MY country!
bojanar14 8 months ago
THIS IS ALL TRUTH!!
MrDex369 9 months ago
Vama je sve propaganda sto nije napisano sa vase strane.
CBFHVP 1 year ago
hahahahaha ovo je presmiješna srpska propaganda............SERBIAN PROPAGANDA
risonjakinj 1 year ago
Totaly not true, Slovenians always had border under control, the army was there to protect it from neighburs, and further more, we let the JLA in their baracks, they were the first to exit baracks with tanks and started to attack our citys, Andrija Raseta didn't phone noone, he was a small time general posted in SLO, the command came from Belgrade, but luckaly we blocked baracks so JLA couldn't exit in full force, that saved our ass
bru7al82 1 year ago
@bru7al82
WTF are you talking!? didnt you heard whats being said to you... Yugoslav Army was a 4 by strenght and numbers in Europe. Slovenia was small republic around 1.5million citizens. Slovenia had no Army... Yugoslav Army was Slovenian Army.
Now you said this: "but luckaly we blocked baracks so JLA couldn't exit in full force, that saved our ass" now tell me this: HOW DO YOU BLOCK TANKS AND WELL ARMED SOLDIERS WITH AIR SUPPORT TO LEAVE SOMEPLACE, WHEN U DONT HAVE A GUN!?!? Brainwash!!!!
niksola 1 year ago
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This viedo is not a documentary based on real facts but human stupidity called politics ment to spred hatred between nations nothing more.
Modafaks 1 year ago 3
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Modafaks 1 year ago
No matter who did what and no one is exept from blame, there is one thing WRONG : Germans of all people, in the 60's meddling and supporting and directing former nazis (ustashis) to whatever agenda.
THAT IS WRONG NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT ! And that was the spark that ignited this huge mess (to be polite) !
alxjordy 1 year ago
The people who live in a country, no matter where have the right to self determination and the right to exist
Snatchpeeper01 1 year ago
in 1918. when yugoslavia was created every croat got 1 dinar (yugoslavian currency) for 4 shillings . thats how serbs considered croats equal .
garioldwin 1 year ago
hahaha lol JNA army was dominated by serbs and 90% of the jugoslav army generals were serbs . veljko kadijevic was a serb from his fathers side and he considered himself and behaved like a serb .
garioldwin 1 year ago
The 1974 constitution gave the right to every Yugoslav nation to choose independence. After printing "dinars" without control, after Serbs made it clear they want "great Serbia", Slovenes simply had no other choice... This "documentary" is Goebels style propaganda. Today we see that Serbs made a very wrong decision by following morons like Milošević, Karadžić, Mladić and Co.
primoz970 1 year ago
сачувај ме Боже куге и хрвата...
JaricZivadin 1 year ago
slovenci su pacovski narod!
memekjames 2 years ago 2
@memekjames slazem se.. obicne su nacisticke pickice.. trebali smo ih davno poslati u picku materinu..
SFRYugo 1 year ago