Sami Zaatari VS Keith Thompson Debate: Is Christianity a religion of peace? 7/7

[DesiLeaks]

Does Christians really beleive that a 6 foot man from Mid East is the crator of our solar system and the millions of galaxies and contols them all and everything in it. Most stupid and idiotic thing i ever came accross. Grow up u idiots.... Follow his true teachings without interpolations.

[williamstdog9]

I'm sorry that you had to deal with that Keith.. You did well brother. Keep speaking the truth in love, and respect, and prayers going out to you. These muslims have been blinded by their hatred of the truth..

[aveyowyns]

The end was gold.

[Decenium]

hahaha keith failed to follow rules XD

God job bro (see wut I did thar)

[0thetrooth0]

Keith what is the best proof that Christianity is the true religion? thanks

[KeithTruth]

@0thetrooth0 The best proof is the inability to truly believe and submit to Christ as Lord unless God regenerates you. And if this happens the permenant life changing effects with respect to holy asperations, when, before this regeneration we were all depraved wicked sinners who loved sin and hated true holiness. There are other kinds of proofs like the historicity of the resurrection, Bible prophecy, the fact that the apostes and their pupils were all willing to be killed for Christ etc

[Decenium]

@KeithTruth

Wait what?

How does that proof that Christianity is the "true" religion AT ALL??

[exposemyfoes]

just one last thing if we're gonna have a dialogue,keep it respectful and intellectual so i'll appreciate if u refrain from using phrases like the quran is junk,cos all that will happen is i'll say the bible is junk,and this will become a baby conversation that will have athiests laughin at us,do u agree to keep this back and forth thing respectful?

[exposemyfoes]

and where is your proof that the quran copied and that these "apocriphal"gospels r forgeries,dont forget it was the forerunners to the pagan catholics who decided which scriptures r "authentic" many books that u now regard as forgeries your early church fathers seen as inspired,so u protestants claim to despise what the catholics stand for yet they chose your canon,and up until a few centuries ago u had 73 books ,so maybe u might throw out other books in the future too

[MccMac]

lol sami brought up the worst points ever keith smoked him...u da man keith

[tetrahydroscope]

It never works out when someone tells another to condemn the actions of their abrahamic God when they worship their abrahamic God

[prince4king7]

i can see why the ended the debate cuz they could see clearly sami has got no point and no case! loosers!

[kasim8t3]

Islam is a reiteration of the original message that had changed...

ie New testement

[KeithTruth]

@kasim8t3, not possible - the original 1st century message is preserved and Muhammad invented a new false teaching.

[exposemyfoes]

@KeithTruth none of the books u call inspired actually go back to jesus or his disciples,so u base the message of jesus on people who never met him,paul never met him nor did the anonymous authors behind the gospels

[KeithTruth]

@exposemyfoes We have very early attestation for apostolic authorship from the patristics, from within the nt books themselves and we have internal attestation to these books being of supernatural inspiration as well. With the quran everyone knows it stole from forgeries gospel of thomas, jewish targum stories, persian myths etc., its junk, not from God.

[exposemyfoes]

@KeithTruth can u show me some of this evidence,its a fact 2nd peter wasnt written by peter and the 1st one is doubtful,hebrews is anonymous,half of pauls letters your scholars believe he didnt write,none of the gospels claim to be written by the disciples,mark wasnt a disciple so wasnt luke,matthew copied from mark so he cant be a disciple,john was written in atleast 3 to 5 stages of editing with the prologue and chapter 21 bein later additions,is this wat u base your salvation on?

[SonofJaphet]

Islam is just a recycled Gnostic religion

[tetrahydroscope]

@SonofJaphet Is it the lunar worship or the monadism?

[mujtahid2006]

Romans 13, Keith, Romans 13 - go read Augustine, Aquinas, Luther and Calvin, they'll show you how by holistic interpretation the NT permits violence :)

[SonofJaphet]

@mujtahid2006 As a Bible believing Christian Augustine,Aquinas,Luther and Calvin have no autority over me ,these guys are mostly false christians so try to find in the NEW TESTAMENT where we are told to kill infidels like your Gnostic book (qu ran) orders you to do

[outbackcafe]

This Muslim liar!! is full of double standards, the muslim history and its books are full of murder and violence yet they dare to judge the bible! the Old Testament is perfectly fine in its context, all the wars were justified by God on the grounds that the nations had to be judged and purged from the earth, yet mohamad could never do that since he was so evil and if he was alive during this period, God would have included him in the purging of evil from the land

[exposemyfoes]

@outbackcafe if everything in the old testament is fine to u,than your the last people who can judge other religions,because their is no book on earth that is more violent than the bible

[outbackcafe]

@exposemyfoes Well this is so easy to decipher lets compare our examples, Jesus never raped or killed anyone but why don't you tell me if Mohammad has done any of these things. Jesus is easy to defend but how can you defend a old man that had sexual feelings for a little girl? Muslims should be the last people on earth to judge other religions, because there is no prophet on earth that slept with a little girl

[exposemyfoes]

@outbackcafe point 1 is tat u seem 2 b defending d bible,but your logo is of 1 eye which is a freemason sign 4 d anti christ so i recommend u change it,point 2 is tat their is no need 2 b emotional n disrespectful,if u got somethin 2 say than express it in a intellectual way,now you've made sum charges tat i'm not gonna respond 2 because they r based on ignorance, all you've got is second hand non eye witness reports on jus about 3 years of jesus's life,so no one knows the historical jesus

[Decenium]

@outbackcafe

facepalm like mad.

Seriously kiddo, pay attention, they are NOT talking about Islam in this debate, they BOTH agreed to the rules at the start of this debate.

The rules where that they where to talk about Christianity, more specific, Is Christianity a religion of peace?

Sami even invited Keith to a debate about Islam.

again pay attention before running your mouth, makes you look less stupid.

[outbackcafe]

@Decenium Seriously kiddo, pay attention, i was responding to "exposemyfoes" and not the video.

again pay attention before running your mouth, makes you look less stupid.

[Decenium]

@outbackcafe

Where does it say that then?

I don't see an "@ exposemyfoes" anywhere at the start of your comment.

[ThingsThatVexMe]

Keep up the good work, but please never become a rabid Christian either. Keep on following the true teachings of Christ. As hard as they are to follow.

[ThingsThatVexMe]

Osama, please you need to find a girlfriend or boyfriend. You have too much anger built up. It is this excessive build up of testosterone that makes people want to blow themselves up for after-life virgins. Sex will help you with that. But you have to change the Eddie munster look before you can get any kind of girlfriends/boyfriends.

[ThingsThatVexMe]

"Keith's God?" He is your God too Eddie munster according to the quran. You believe in Jesus dummy. Same God. You cannot go murder Eddie munster. Fine I comdemn all the past genocide of the world. It was all my fault. May God forgive me I was bored. Does this help your cause Eddie munster? Yes we are laughing and i am not even religious like that.

[dilawer321]

no thingsthatvexme, study the quran, study allah, his attributes etc, and you will see allah is not our God!

[ThingsThatVexMe]

I actually have read the quran. Mohamed basically took the Old and New Testament and made a new religion for military and political gain. It is the same God with a different name and added attributes.

[dilawer321]

Actualy no but you are part right, i would say it was more the talmud, also there are storys in the quran wich match many other sources, like jesus talking from the cradle (gnostic gospel) alexander the great (dhul garnayn) finding the place where the sun sets (cant remember the source) various pagan storys, fables, superstitions etc

[69pmac]

the arians beleived jesus as a special agent of god, and yes the canons of the bible were chosen! i gave an eye witness testiment that proves it!!! you just have plain words.

[KeithTruth]

Arians believed he was divine but not eternal, not just a special agent. We have Christian testimony before Arius was born saying that Jesus was God all over the world. Ignatius, Polycarp, Ireneaus, Tertullian, Clement.This belief was wide spread since the beginning of Christianity. People who read the gospels concluded Jesus was God

Nicea didnt pick the books. Im familiar with the quote you gave. It is really late like 8th century so it is not eyewitness. Give me the citation and date for it

[69pmac]

u know what, give me a quote or citation saying that the arius believed he was divine. also, give me a quote or citation that proves: "It is really late like 8th century so it is not eyewitness." council of nicea didnt decide the current books of the bible? prove it!

[KeithTruth]

@69pmac the burden of proof is on you to show that nicea did decide the books. I can't disprove a negative that is impossible. It is your job to show proper dates, documentation and scholars who agree with your claim and quote. Once you do that then we can change the subject onto what Arius believed and I will gladly show you evidence. Now show me the date of your quote and some scholars who agree nicea dealt with canonization. No historians will claim that because nicea didnt decide canon.

[exposemyfoes]

@KeithTruth if he is not eternal than how can he be god,so what your saying doesnt make sense,arius was a unitarian

[69pmac]

Early Christian views tended to see Jesus as a unique agent of God;[46] by the Council of Nicaea in 325 he was identified as God in the fullest sense, literally 'of the same substance, essence or being', hence in the further wording of the Creed, "Θεόν αληθινόν εκ Θεού αληθινού" Theón alēthinón ek Theoú alēthinoú 'true God from true God

[69pmac]

The close of the early Christian era is defined as the First Council of Nicea, which gave the trinity its dogmatic form.

[KeithTruth]

@69pmac The trinity ws already a dogmatic belief way before the council of nicea my deceived friend. Nicea was 325 AD and we have testimiony going way back to the first century from Christians al around the world saying Jesus is GOD. Here is another one:

Gregory Thaumaturgus (205-265 A.D.) declared in On the Trinity, that "All [the persons] are one nature, one essence, one will, and are called the Holy Trinity; and these also are names subsistent, one nature in three persons, and one kind."12

[KeithTruth]

@69pmac You claim early Christians thought of Jesus as a unique agent but I have been quoting early Christians saying he is God in the flesh which shows you are lying to people. Here is another example:

Irenaeus (120-202 A.D.), wrote that Jesus was "perfect God and perfect man"; "not a mere manbut was very God"; and that "He is in Himself in His own rightGod, and Lord, and King Eternal" and spoke of "Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour and King"9

[69pmac]

u dont get my point, yes the idea has been around, but it was the council of nicea that made it official! read my comments more carefully next time! =D

[69pmac]

and again, the idea was around, but at the time of the council of nicea, a large amount of christians did not believe jesus to be divine, that was the whole point of the council!!! and btw, the books chosen 4 the bible WAS IN FACT DECIDED BY THE COUNCIL!!! thats what history says, not what i say!

[KeithTruth]

@69pmac At the time of the council of nicea a large amount of Christians did not believe he was divine? The nicea vote was Arians vs. Trinitarians and the debate was not about if Jesus was divine. The arians believed he was divine, that was not in question my friend. The debate was if Jesus was eternal with the Father or the first created thing. And again nicea had nothing to do with canon of the Bible (books of Bible). That happened later.

[KeithTruth]

@69pmac it was not made official at nicea, it was put into a creed but this doctrine was already official according to the hearts of the persecuted minority of Christians well before 325 AD.

[enmity666]

Obama is Dajjal!!!!!!

[69pmac]

actually, this is not the full debate!!!. lol, sami actually ownes in this. u guys do know that constantine is a main factor in todays christianity. have you guys heard of he council of nicea? it is were constantine decided which books go into the bibe and it also made the claim that jesus was god official. early christians never recognized jesus as god but just as a messenger

[KeithTruth]

This is te full debate up until the point where I got censored, and banned from the debate, so the recording stopped. The rest was not a debate but instead zaatari talking to himself. Secondly, nicea had nothing to do with canonization of the Bible, show me some historical documentation. Early Christians never recognized Jesus as God? Ignatius (30-98 AD) "We have also as a Physician the Lord our God Jesus the Christ" The ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7

[69pmac]

at the time of the council of nicea, a large amount of people recognized jesus as a messenger and not as god. constantinopolis, who was once pagan decided to have a vote as this arguement was tearing appart christianity. so they had a good old fashion vote over wether or not jesus was divine!!! let me continue, one of the two eye witnesses, sevenus who was present has his testimont preserved.

[69pmac]

he said "with the exeption of the emporor and eusebius pamphilus these bishops were a set of illiterate simple creatures who understood nothing" this same council decided the faith of christian doctrine for the next 1700 years. is it not a coincidence that a pagan would try officialise trinity? somthing that descibes god in three forms? the father the son and the spirit. the council also decided to celebrate jesus's birthday on december 25, which was infact the birthday of the sun god!!!

[69pmac]

bishops also brought gospels with them. there approximately 40-100 gospels present. they submitted the books under a table and whichever books appeared on top would be the books of the bible. another eye witness said: "having promiscuously put all the gospels reffered to the council for determination under the communion table in a church they besought the lord that the inspired writing might get upon the table while spurious ones remain underneath and it happened accordingly" -Pappus

[KeithTruth]

@69pmac That source you are using that says the gospels were found on the table is a legend that is not from the time of Nicea. It was a lie made up in the 8th century I believe. Can you give me the date of the reference? Because everyone knows someone just made up that tale really late and it never really happened.

[KeithTruth]

The council of Nicea had NOTHING to do with deciding Bible books. What sources are you using for this claim? Nicea was about the Arian controversey which was started by Arius in the 3rd century. He said Christ was divine but not eternal. He said he was the first created creature. Many heretics followed arius leaving the true belief that Jesus was God. Before Arius' time we have testimony of Christians saying Jesus is God

Justin Martyr (100-165 A.D.) "God was born from a virgin."7

[KeithTruth]

You are lying. The council of Nicea was in 325 AD. We have the testimony of Cristians from all over the world way before 325 speaking about the Trinity.

Gregory Thaumaturgus (205-265 A.D.) declared in On the Trinity, that "All [the persons] are one nature, one essence, one will, and are called the Holy Trinity; and these also are names subsistent, one nature in three persons, and one genus [kind]."12

That alone refutes your lie that people before Nicea didn't think Jesus was God.

[enmity666]

this argument sucked

[havock89]

Muslims would not have a chance to argue in this fashion with mainstream christianity, ie orthodoxy and catholicism, because the priesthood was instituted by christ to be the mother and teacher of the church. For us the bible is not the rule book, the apostolic teachings are, which the church alone possesses. These arguments used would fall flat if it were not for the reformation. I would really like to see a muslim argue with an orthodox/catholic scholar.

THAT would be an impressive win!

[cyberphant0m]

Great stuff Keith.

The way I might have answered to the "I challenge you to denounce the genocide" would be to explain how the Israelites were surrounding on all sides by towns and cities of Giants (the same kind that were destroyed by the flood of Noah). In this context, the Israelites are not destroying "innocent women and children" but peoples who worshiped the fallen angels.

[johnpolanco18]

Keith you could of also said that God destroys evil. For example The Second Coming, Noah's Flood, The killing of babies, and the 6 Day War of Israel and 9 Middle East Nations..

Once Again Keith, Good Job!! Sami was repeating himself and refuting himself.. hahaha.. but just a reminder to all of us.. We should treat muslims with patience ( Alot of Patience), love, kindness, reverance ETC.. I seen that keith at first was being a bit aggresive but then became more respectful..

[Johnybway]

@ johnpolanco18

so u saying god killed babies coz they were evil and not by incident....u should locked up

[johnpolanco18]

johny, your god killed babies too... During the flood of Noah (which Muslims also believe in ) Allah killed all humankind (babies, woman, man).. Sodoma Gomora were ALL destroyed as well.. So dont be double standard..

[OohTheHorror]

Sami Zaatari got owned. Hes such a clown

[dynastydadonprod]

keith, why didnt you just tell this guy that the reason why their was so much blood in the old testament is because the times were wicked period, people didnt know God and didnt want to , i mean people were sacrificing their kids to idols etc, i mean you didnt handle it too bad but ok, maybe next time, anyway nice little debate, God bless.

[KeithTruth]

I didn't say that because people like Zaatari have heard that before and they will just say " don't poison us against the tribes to justify the genocide." That is what he would have said. It is better to note how his false god supposedly took responsibility for those events so he must condemn his own religion if he is consistant. Lord bless.

[muzicalife]

Sami Zaatari this guy is wasting time, he clearly knows nothing about scripture but thinks he has solid arguments against it. First all Constantine Killed christians , Christians, the Killed all the Christ who did not go along with the Roman church and the Laws the changed concerning the scriptures so how can you say he's using scripture to back his stance i Genocide and murder.

[funfsinn14]

owned

[falseflagburner]

i am not religious myself but id say you won this debate hands down keith dispite the attempted sensorship. The one world system is clearly coming to pass and if the christians are against it which they clearly are then im with you guys religious or not. anyway well done mate

[Dramateked]

"when the power of love overcomes the love for power is when the world will know peace"

FACT: The devil has been manipulating people and playing since the beginning of earth, killing prophets, messengers, revolutionaries and what not. God's Children, "everyone gentle". When people stop manipulating, controlling etc. others and/or people them selves stop being followers stop letting others manipulate them is when we will see change, we'll experience heaven .We gotta mind our own business

[TotalWarJunkie]

Why do I get the feeling if it was Christ Himself in this debate, that they would have warned and scolded and dotted Him?

[greywing81]

Because they would have being that Muslims don't even believe that Yahshua the one and only true son of God is actually the son of God....

[gangs38]

I just cant understand what on earth compelled him to defend Islam. He should spend time in discovering the philosophy of History.

Moreover does he know the context of Jonah the book of Jonha, the whole nation was forgiven after the recieving the message from an Israelite, infact an Israelite suffered because God wanted the people of Ninveah to repent...

[gangs38]

sami zaartari is the worst kind of apologist i ever heard after Deedat.

Will anybody let me know about his educational back ground?

[Mkvine]

did Sami ever provide the documentation on Constantine and Luke 19?

[keithtrutth]

no he did not

[WakeUpBritain2009]

Great interview, did you ever get round to doing the muslims are peaceful one?

[IaintNoGood]

Surprise surprise surprise, two opposing views using circular logic to validate their bigotry. Sami was far more rational than Keith. Keith cherry picks the verses which will support his bias, then uses the, "No True Scotsman" rebuttal. This is a blatant logical fallacy. That is like saying Osama is not a true Muslim because he orchestrated 9/11 or that Abraham Stern was not a real Jew because he terrorized the British.

I guess when you claimed to have destoryed him, it was an objective claim.

[KeithTruth]

Claiming that Sami was more rational then me shows how irrational you are. I didn't chery pick verses.I explained the new covanent and givae Jesus moral commands while refuting his attempts and logic. I explained why Old Testament verses about wars have no bearing on if the tennents of Christianity are peaceful. So if you think I cherry picked, show me some NT verses that you think call Christians to not be peaceful and I will refute you. Explan how I used the no true scotsman rebuttal in detail

[darpachief]

WOW Sami is the worst debater ever.

[rdavian]

Keith this debate was a trap 1st off jesus hated religon hence the cleaning of the churcheswhen he razed them 2nd he came to fulfill all things were not under the law hence we dont chop off hands for stealing also you should have pointed out the hebrews were always out number when they fought hence having to call upon God every time they fought but all in all this guy was not worth debating

[rtwrtw1]

You started the debate so wasnt Sami supposed to get the last word or did you guys decide to do it differently?

[keithtrutth]

No they dotted me so I left the room.

[Ramohog]

This ignorant Muslim, is really blinded for the truth.

He uses the Muslim rule for peace. That as long as you are a minority you stay peaceful, and it is even allowed to lie to protect Islam.

Religion is all corrupted. Jesus came to establish a personal relationship with our heavenly father, which is based in love and operates by faith.

[trackxc1984]

Your whole 'Jesus will come back to kill everyone who doesn't accept him' is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's an argument children can refute with relative ease.

The bible states that Jesus will come back to save his followers from a world which is run by the elite. A world in which you would be a slave or worse. A world without freewill. God gave us free will, and because he will send his son to save us from enslavement and genocide he is bad? Brilliant man, brilliant. Try again.

[YoungLion1980]

this muslims missconceptions only reveal his ignorance on the subject he is arguing.

yes christianity is peaceful

the wrath of god should be praised and not condemned.

vengence is mine sayeth the lord.

vengance is not ours. we should pray that people such as sami may turn away from provoking the wrath of god. if he is too prideful, and continues to boast against god, christians can offer no apology for him.

if his soul is sent to the fires of hell then he has made his choice.

[Ubertube101]

Bad Keith! stay on topic! LOL Great work bro you did a great job keeping your cool with that, in my opinion, quite one sided and biased panel of judges. I felt sorry for that Sami guy you made him sound ignorant. Thanks for posting this.

[CerealBowlLifeGuard]

Although the christian churches have been turned into gelded corporations that must follow the narrow speech deemed OK by the state, I have yet to find one that ever hints toward a violent agenda or excuses violence. Even if the churches were preaching this it would not matter because it is not the teachings of Christ. Furthermore, how does Sami call pre-Christ followers of God Christian? did the chicken presuppose the egg? Was Moses and Noah a Christian?

[CerealBowlLifeGuard]

Also, if Sami was atheist I could understand him better but is not his God, Allah, the same God of Abraham? Does not he share in the blood of the old testament just as much as any Christian? Does he think he can have his cake and eat it too? Does he forget that Issa is Jesus to the Muslims and regarded as a prophet? Does he just get off on pretending that violence is a Christian phenomena only? Does any violence done by a Muslim mean that Islam exto-facto is to blame? Or maybe we are all sinners

[Rob187ok]

Does Sami really think that early Christians didn't kill people because they thought Jesus was about to return? That is just sick. True Christians hate killing. When the Spirit of Christ lives in us we have no will to kill anyone,,,even our enimies. I can't speak for false Christians.

[nadia16luna]

Honestly I did not hear a thing that Sami guy said because he is not really defending his religious beliefs, but rather wants to belittle our Christian faith. When someone does something just to prove someone wrong for his own selfish greed then things do not come out clear. Understand THAT ladies and Gentlemen.

[advil0069]

as the youngn's say.

sami got treated.

[CBALLEN]

Cutting Keith off like that shows why so many Christian videos get removed,Muslim censorship! Every time they see that they are in the corner they either censor, run,insult or cry foul.

[Texasmissionary]

wow i think sami needs to read the parable of the wheat and the tares in matt.13 to see that the tares are the wicked that are killed by the angels not people. also that christ taught people to love your brother and to forgive ur brother as many times as they offend u. to turn the other cheek.

[REVALATION2218]

condem the murder, the genocide!! LOL

[Sephiros888]

I think Sami was partially correct though about us Christians being violent, I mean Keith basically just crucified him in the debate, isn't that violent? It says clearly in Luke chapter - (just kidding haha) Sorry for the bad humor. Ummm...ya not much to say, Keith you defended the good name of the Lord with a Righteous fury and I consider you a great inspiration and source of knowledge. Keep up the amazing work brother.

[KeithTruth]

Thank you Sephiros,

God bless :)

[MULESLAX]

Hahaha, "Keith, your part of the debate is OVER."

[52blades]

I think as the defending side in the arguement it would have been fair for you to have been given more time than Sami. It takes more time to refute arguements than it does to make them. Many times when he cites places in the Bible to support that it is evil you don't have time to throughly refute them so your only real option is to just show the double standards he is imposing. He says part of the Bible is evil then you mention that the Quran says the samethings and everyone gets angry at you.

[leviMichealathan]

Good job Keith! I see you have a picture of sami (unintentionally, i think) show the sign of the goat of mendes LOL

sami does work for satan though

[waiselaka]

many moslems, such as sami zaatari, are no more than a bunch of ignorant, retarded cowards.

[waiselaka]

Keep up the good work Keith. GBU

[LuxAuterna]

Muslims always have sources from scholars and they will disperse their sources at a later time. To no avail they never provide a single source.

[wwwsultanorg]

´coward liar Keith you cuting and add from your self in this debate wooow i will put it all soon and you will liar

[KeithTruth]

false alligations just like filthy quran makes against Christians saying trinity is father son and mary lol. Get lost loser.

[eccoodamo]

I guess english is not your first language because what you write makes no sense.

[PhoenixChampion]

Keith's God, my God, your God (even though you deny Him)...dude, lose yaself shawtay. Who come up with this argument anyway, because the contender is like a lil kid facing Muhammed Ali, it's just pointless. People, don't listen to this individual, for he babbles lies and deceit to the weak minded. Constantine didn't even turn to Christianity till he feared for an uproar of the people on both sides anyway. Sami Son, your father is not of God, but of Satan...get behind us Zaatari in Jesus' name...

[gmako74]

Zaatari looks like a retard, and he's throwing up a devil horn sign....

[DeathRattleShakes]

His arguments are ridiculous.

"What's the use of fighting when you're salvation, when your king who is about to kill everybody is about to come right around the next corner"

This is a very stupid comment because in the Old Testament JESUS WAS ABOUT TO COME RIGHT AROUND THE NEXT CORNER.

Not to mention that the parable Sami quoted is talking about JUDGEMENT DAY...

[frasernater13]

The only killing im aware of was the nephylm, which there is a lot of evidence for in the midle east and Greece.

[52blades]

God commands killing in the OT but I don't ever recall God commanding the Israelites to commit rape. Does anyone know were Zaatari is getting this assertion?

[KeithTruth]

Go to my website. Its in the description section and below the video of this debate is an article refuting him on that issue. He brought up a zechariah verse and an isaiah verse that he thinks sanctions rape as a weapon.

[InDefenseofChrist]

Muslims are against free speech I guess. Or they are just against people trying to show the faults of a man who raped a nine year old girl and created the biggest lie that ever tainted the face of the earth...this man is Muhammad.

[KeithTruth]

But I think satan has clouded your mind to only think carnal sexual things. This is because your jannah will be a XXX porn palace.

[KeithTruth]

You believe Jesus came to earth didn't accomplish anything, he was raised up and all his followers were decieved creating a religion that is false.

Jesus is not Gods Son in the sense of how we think of a father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. Jesus is Gods Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1,14).

[KeithTruth]

9 years old is not a mature women. Thats just a kid you nut.

[Shohaib2]

KeithTruth, how old was Aisha, when she was fondled?

[KeithTruth]

Well according to Sunaan abu Dawud: book 11, number 2161: Aisha was 9 when Muhammad had sex with her so the bath incedent would be around that time or before.

[wwwsultanorg]

Well according to "Catholic Encyclopedia > J > St. Joseph a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old :) Hello

[KeithTruth]

Encyclopedias are not the best source of information and as a protestant I could care less what some catholic writes in a website. What sources are they using to say that? Lets see them. How could Joseph walk from bethlehem to egypt then to nazareth if he is 90? Silly mooslem.

Plus this has nothing to do with quran making false alligations about Christians saying we believe trinity is father son and mary.

Muhammad raped 9 year old!! He made his wives let him fondle them even on period!

[wwwsultanorg]

LoL you want to tell me that "Catholic Encyclopedia Fake ????? Ya man Joseph sleeping with God's mother according to your belive lol and Deut 34:7 And Moses was a hundred and twenty years old at his death and he was strong

and your bible you can have sex at

3 years or you forget

[KeithTruth]

I know muslims are slow so I will repeat what I said for you:

"What sources are they using to say that? Lets see them."

In moses' time people lived longer however we have the records of the 1st century which confirm that the average lifespan of an adult male was 40-65. If Joseph was 90 (which there is no evidence for) he would not be able to walk from Bthlehem, to egypt to nazareth and then raise Jesus till he was 30 years old. So I ask again show some primary sources.

[spicenut]

"It will not be without interest to recall here, UNRELIABLE though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the APOCRYPHAL writings."

"These DREAMS, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin"), are VOID OF AUTHORITY"

"CONTRARY TO ALL PROBABILITY, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art

"

Next time, try actually reading your sources.

[KeithTruth]

lol

[ThunderHenshin32]

Good debate, maybe sami think the world be peaceful then if the followers of muhammad were the majority of this world?? i think he forgot that middle east was also corrupt and one of the world's violent places,everybody had sinned.Also kind of weird, he brought up saying our Lord and only savior Jesus Christ promoted peace just because early Christians aren't the majority yet during that time.

[ThunderHenshin32]

In fact, he misunderstood Jesus Christ's true message which is to love your enemy because what good/ reward is there if you only love those who love you.

[KeithTruth]

AMEN I should have brought that up.

[KeithTruth]

Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.

Bukhari volume 1, book 6, number 299:

Narrated 'Abdur-rahman bin al-Aswad:

(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the prophet could."

[someguy6481]

Part 1

@ taaronemore74

Bush said "God me to invade Iraq", just like the Islamists who believe "it's Allah's will for them to go and fight." It's ironic that Christian fundaMENTALists criticise Islamists for praising their "troops" and for saying "Allah ackbar"...

[KeithTruth]

hey "someguy" go to my website and read my article, "Is Bush a Christian" You will see that I refute that assertion.

[someguy6481]

hey "keith" thank you for proving my point. Bush is about as Christian as Pope Urban II (who called the first crusade).

to bad Christian fundamentalists actually supported Bush.

[IAteBrownies]

@someguy6481

I rebuked MarcinP2 on this very topic. Men that claims they are of God, does not always mean they are of God, because they priorotise themselves over God. Thereby denying God's will (the bible, I believe) through their selfish actions.

It's best to steer away from stereotyping the acts of individuals to reflect the intentions of a whole, because it makes one ignorant, which impairs their capacity to understand things in general.

[DonusAmbrose]

God, I hate that Paltalk chatroom.

[taaronemore74]

Did the president, or any other official, say that the fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan is in the name of God? If they did, they lied.

On the other hand, the Muslims are quick to say who they are fighting for.

[someguy6481]

@MarcinP2

"Christian crusades are on History channel. Muslim violence is on CNN."

Christian crusades are on CNN (Iraq and Afghanistan) and so is the Muslim violence.

talk about double standards.

[ExposingEvil3000]

Iraq and Afghanistan are by Secular governments. Now show proof that we are there because of Scripture. By the way go to the DOD website and you will find that there are even Muslims in the Military. Nice try :)

[TheOneEyedDemon]

Great Job Keith

[MarcinP2]

I think the debate could be solved without going to scripture...

Just switch on the TV and compare the fruits.

[IAteBrownies]

I don't agree with that statement, because if you look to the crusade or other radical (self proclaimed) christians, it would bring christians under the same perspective that most of the western world perceives radical islam today. We know the acts of such christians were for their own desires and not from god's will, because what they had done was against the scriptures in the first place.

[MarcinP2]

Christian crusades are on History channel.

Muslim violence is on CNN.

You are trying to compare middle age christianity to modern day islam.

Or do you suggest muslim culture (yes, culture) is few centuries behind?

[IAteBrownies]

I'm just saying we can't use that standard (using the media) against all muslims, because that standard can be used in the same manner against all christians. A man that doesn't do god's will can still confess that he follows Christ, but Christ will deny him, (read Matt 7:21-23). So I'm saying (and Keith also said something like this in this debate) it's the scriptures that represents christianity not the individuals, So in the same sense, the Quran represents islam, not the media.

[Cobrahehe]

You cant take Bible and read few gospels and then said i know what Bible is saying. What kind a book today functions in that way, you read few lines and u know the plot , the ending the thought of the book........

You cant take few lines and then speak about whole religion Sami......

You have to look at the big picture Sami because u cant see clearly if you don't do that. Your mind will be clouded and you wont see thing clearly as true christian would see.

Man of faith should know that Sami.

[IAteBrownies]

Sami like a lot of people, take portions of verses and reads them out of context. Keith brings it back to the intended context by reading further on, which explains the intentions and the actual purpose of such texts.

@ Keith, Good work.

[OrbitalAngel]

why would Jesus tell us to kill everyone , if it is his will that all be saved..and to go out and preach the gospel so people will come to salvation....lol this guy is blind, he is of the spirit of anti-christ and this is why he cannot see the forest for the trees.Good Job Keith!

[Cobrahehe]

U cant say he is of the spirit of anti-christ ...... come on.

The guy doesn't see things clearly because Christian faith is not his faith and his mind cant wrap around that thought that all are going to be saved , all that are good , not ONLY believers but people that doesn't believe in Jesus and God. And only that thing alone crushes all his arguments , only THAT fact alone.....

[Button15]

cont...

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME.

I hope you read those verses carefully, God Bless

[worm102]

Censorship because you used Islam to defend Christianity? I don't see why, hes the prosecutor and your the defendant. Am I missing something, was there rules too not being able to use evidence? If it's true let it be heard.

[mannypatel1]

christians always lose debates

[KeithTruth]

Thats why the muslim room blocked me from talking when I was smoking Sami right?

[IAteBrownies]

Yes the moderator was biased, the arguements Sami raised, contradicted his own belief. In refuting sami, you offended the islamic moderator on a personal level, which is why he should not have cut in like that. He was taking it personal and not moderating to an appropriote standard. And yes, like you said earlier, he was restricting your free speech.

[KeithTruth]

Muhammad was a maniac child molester who was demon possesed and thats not my alligations thats from quran/hadith.

[Shohaib2]

where does it say that he was a child molester?

[KeithTruth]

Muhammad would bath with and fondle young Aisha

Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little Aisha and fondle her.

Narrated 'Aisha:

The prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me.

She is not mantally or physically capable to handle something like that. He is a child molester.

[Shohaib2]

What age was Aisha at this point? was she an adult?

[KeithTruth]

She was not an adult. Just young.

[Shohaib2]

how young? you don't know her age?

[OohTheHorror]

errrrrrrrr nope. oh and by the way why are muslims always cutting peoples heads off?? I just dont get that. I guess its like the movie predator, except they collected just the skulls.

[lairdofgarscaddon]

Both sides presented very great arguments. I think it was unnecessary for you to get off the topic, your other points were very well made. Both sides to me make good cases.

I would say this about where clarification on both sides would be valued: what is the criteria for a peaceful religion?

Sami asserts that the texts precede the christian culture, that because the bible says so, that's what christianity is about...

[KeithTruth]

I didn't go off topic. I showed the double standards because Sami wants to attack the old testament when his God took responsibility for the killings in it. Muhammad praised the Torah. Thats not going offf topic at all.

[lairdofgarscaddon]

You assert that christian culture precedes the texts, that Jesus states his two commandments (i.e. ~ the christian culture) and that's all we need.

So Sami says that texts define a peaceful religion, and Keith says that religious culture defines it. I would have loved to see some focus on that.

I think where Keith could have done more on (his debate was very good, none-the-less), was focus on this concept of religious culture defining a peaceful religion.

[KeithTruth]

I don't hold that religious culture defines a religion. Because if the culture deviates from the religious teachings, they are not representing it anymore.

[lairdofgarscaddon]

No, no. There are two kinds of culture: people culture and religious culture.

Religious culture is what the religion expects you to behave as, and people culture is what people expect you to behave as. You are arguing that the bible doesn't define a peaceful Christianity, since you point out so many things in the bible that don't count; to you, what counts is what Jesus actually said; that's what I am calling religious culture: to be Christlike. People culture would be Constantine killing people

[xchampx]

You should have stated how the apostles died. How they were all martyred and MURDERED 11/12 apostles died convicted in what they believed; Without violence

[xchampx]

Scripture that kills everything Sami Zaatari says:v"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take yoru tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." Matthew 5:38-42