And furthermore, when Adam sinned the Devil gained lordship over this world yet when Jesus made his supposedly "glorious beyond words" accomplishment, Satan retained his dominion. THAT is STUPID beyond words.
I prefer to use the term 'inherited sin'. To my mind this term better describes the docrtrine, and helps to highlight the injustice and absurdity of punishing children for the 'sins' of their distant ancestors.
Jesus carried no money; he was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver. Money corrupts us all. We have misunderstood the message. Jesus wanted peace on earth but we will never have peace while money exists. Please watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward 2011 and research The Venus Project. You may hear religion critized but that's just an opinion, in the end God exists if you believe he does.
If the bible is the inerrant word of god, why are there so many Cosmological errors in Genesis?
The bible is a mass of confusion. No one can agree on interpretations. There are 39K diff. denominations world wide & none agree.
If god gave us his words, I'd at least expect it to be by his hand & not many men's hands. And since salvation is the most important gospel message, why isn't god making some effort to let us know in no uncertain terms that he's real? Why no show for 2K yrs? Not a sound...
U said; "There is all kinds of evidence of God. You simply choose to reject it in favor of hedonism."
No, there isn't! U present ur evidence here, & I'll show u why it isn't.
U said; "You really need to learn what sripture actually tells us about Genesis. The 6 days are not 24 hr periods. Science and evolution are not in conflict."
No there isn't any conflict. So tell me, what do u think Adam & Eve physically looked like, especially knowing we share common ancestry with earl apes?
"Adam and Eve wouldn't have looked that different from us 6,000 yrs ago"
Any man or woman 6K yrs ago would look exactly the same as we do today. The problem is, Adam & Eve didn't live 6K yrs ago, not if they were supposed to be the 1st man and woman. But we know they didn't exist 6K yrs ago bcuz Evolutionary Biologists have already mapped the genes of the oldest man & woman. The woman traced back to 150K yrs ago, & the man traced back to 95K yrs ago. (Approx.).
@Cootabux We see in Genesis that God says, "let us make man in our image".
So mankind existed at this point, but they were wholly carnal. The image that they were made in has nothing to do with our physical body, but rather has everything to do with our spirit nature.
Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman. They were, however, the first that were made in God's image.
@Cootabux That is hilarious! SO woman had to wait around 55k years for man to show up and she could then reproduce ? It takes alot more faith to believe in evolution than it does God. You really think that man and womans reproductive systems could evolve at exactly the same pace to be able to reproduce in order to keep the species going ? Talk about faith in something!! That is amazing.
Surely you not so oblivious that you don't understand my reference to the gene mapping and what it means???
What a Maroooon!!
Listen Mr. Creatard, what the mapping means is that they have only been able to go that far with each. Approx. 150K for woman, & 95K for a man..."AND" they weren't even in the same geographical location!!
I guess that means to your way of thinking, they had to find each other?? Ha, ha!
They weren't the 1st, fool!! It's how far we've mapped so far!
But the most important thing this tells us is that mankind is a whole lot older than 6K yrs. LOLs!
By your last question, I can see that u have no understanding of Evolution. Do yourself a favor & go to Talk Origins dot org, & your questions on Evolution can be answered.
Besides the fact that we know man is much older than scripture says, we also know that we share common ancestry with apes. I know u Fundies hate that, but it's a fact of life. The monster u worship isn't one!
@Cootabux I can tell by your talk you are just a young kid with alot to learn. In a few years when you grow up some, maybe we can have a debate without all the teenage name calling.
" I can tell by your talk you are just a young kid with alot to learn. In a few years when you grow up some, maybe we can have a debate without all the teenage name calling."
Is that your method of bailing out of a discussion?? Are you just embarrassed bcuz you completely misunderstood how science has genetically traced to the year & location of the oldest man & woman? If you're going to ridicule Evolution, at least make sure you know something about the subject.
@Cootabux I am more than willing to discuss, just not with someone who calls names like a nine year old. To me, evolution is a joke. For one, it's called the "THEORY Of Evolution". And that's all it is. A Theory. Of the Millions of Species on this planet that have to have a male and female to reproduce including man, what are the chances of a male and female reproductive system "Evolving" at the same time. What do you guess about a million or so years for that to evolve?
@Cootabux - So say it takes a million or so years for the reproductive system to evolve. Do you know how crazy it sounds that they would get done, "Evolving" at the same time in order to reproduce ? There are so many holes in evolution it's not funny. But that is all science has. It's just a theory.
U said; "There are so many holes in evolution it's not funny. But that is all science has. It's just a theory."
Again, it's not just a theory, but a Scientific Theory. Google it. Better yet, go to Talk Origins.
It seems like many holes to u. It did to me before I studied the subject. Once u understand how these attributes formed, the confusion will leave, I assure u.
Go to Talk O., then to my channel.
If u want to discuss O.Sin, I'll be happy to engage in that discussion!!
The reason I blasted u is bcuz of your attempt to ridicule something of which u know nothing about. I give what I get.
Of course Evolution is a joke to u, U have to take that position bcuz it conflicts with Genesis' Adam & Eve account. This is the reason why all Xians deny Evolution. They feel they must. But they, like u, have no understanding of it, yet u contend it's a joke. To show this, look at your questions. You don't know that a Scientific Theory is not the same
the "theory" U R used to using. A scientific Theory is a compilation of the facts. It explains how these facts work to make up the discipline. It's no different than the Atomic Theory, Germ Theory, or the Theory of Gravity. They mean something quite different than what u thought.
"Talk Origin" dot org is constructed & contributed to by scientists. They can explain how these sexes formed. They did not start as male and female. Many species are A-sexual.
knowledge of Evolution, as I noticed from our 1st exchange, I suggested to u B4 to go to Talk Origins, if in fact u have an honest interest in understanding how Evolution works and it is in fact true.
When I'm challenged to show an example, I present Whale evolution. It is 1 of the best examples of Evolution to date bcuz it shows approx. 30 transitional fossils demonstrating land mammal to sea going whales.
But we can't discuss it here as it's off topic. Ed has been kind to us.
@Cootabux Come on. You mean to say that evolution is a fact ? Are you sure evolution is a compilation of the facts ? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds ? They are not facts. More like educated guesses. No matter what your website says, Where is that link between when the millions of different creatures went from self reproduction to two different sexes. It does not exist. You are talking millions of species that would have to evolve at precisely the exact time for this to happen.
No, I'm giving you the short definition of a scientific theory. Evolution is a fact. To refer to it as a scientific theory, takes nothing away from it. To date, everything known about Evolution has not falsified Evolution as the explanation for the diversity and progression of life on Earth. Evolution has over 1500 peer reviewed papers done, where Creation has zero.
Do u think every mystery, every question has to be answered before we can determine that Evolution is true? NO!
@Cootabux This is straight from your recommended website. "Many hypotheses have been proposed for the evolutionary advantage of sex (Barton and Charlesworth 1998)." This does not sound like fact to me. There is really no explanation other than it was a slow process. It's an Unproven Theory. Unlike the Atomic Theory that is a proven theory.
U said; "This is straight from your recommended website. "Many hypotheses have been proposed for the evolutionary advantage of sex (Barton and Charlesworth 1998)." This does not sound like fact to me."
I disappointed in u. I question your motives now, (it isn't like I didn't suspect them before)!
And u stopped there? Ok, I'll go do the work for u. Then I'll refer to it so everyone can see it.
Lets say that they didn't have a definite answer on how gender became specific,
In fact, lets say that they drew a blank on the question of how sex developed. (And I haven't studied this question personally), do u think that this would mean Evolution would come crumbling down?? We don't have all the answers we'd like to have about many things, including how life started, tho it's likely via Abiogenesis). Even without all the answers, we have enough now to know that evolution is happening right now, and speciation has been observed.
@Cootabux I don't yhink it would come crumbling down. I think you may start to realize that everything about evolution is not fact. How the sexes came about is pretty major. It's no small issue, and I have researched it. There is no absolute answer. Alot of guessing in my book. This is just one area that is really gray. You are just so adament about everything is so factual about evolution. It's not. It takes alot more faith to believe in evolution than it does creation. Creation has no holes!
I never said everything about Evolution is factual. I said we have more than enough data, knowledge, to know that Evolution is a fact of life....a scientific Theory!
Look at these :
ERVs, Chromosomal fusion, Atavisms, and Vestigial organs. These 4 factors "together" not just one by itself, but all confirm common ancestry for man & ape. In fact, we are apes. Man "is" a modern ape.
Do u know that if the process of Evolution were not a fact, Agriculture,
Pharmacology, Biology ad many different disciplines of medicine just would not work!! We would not be as advanced in those areas as are are today. Those different disciplines are very much dependent on Evolution!
We don't know how life began, but that doesn't mean a ghost-god did it. Same thing with the BB. But not knowing either takes one iota of evidence away from Evolution.
What's funny about Xians who strongly deny Evol., is that they do it bcuz it conflicts with bible!!
Edward, thanks for taking the time for making this videos, indeed , this "original sin" fairytale is probably the most insane, inmoral and hilariuos christian doctrine ever, it really cannot be more messed up. Keep going !!
Why do animals die? What sin did they commit? Did the animals all grab a bag of popcorn and watch Adam and Eve go at it? Did Adam and Eve give the animals the idea?
@flatpicker1234 So God, who is one and part of God, didn't order Moses to do all the killing of his own people. After he order the killing did he not watch because he was to holy?
@flatpicker1234 you don't know the bible. He said that he created evil. Look it up. I am not a liar. I know Paul keep saying over and over he was not a liar, but unlike Paul wild statement, you can look up what I am telling you. If you can't find it ask me where it is when he was quoted as saying that.
@flatpicker1234,"God cannot look upon sin"? Your Biblical God is the most evil being ever imagined by humans: a mass-murdering,child-abusing,genocidal, infanticidal,slavery-endorsing,rape-endorsing monster,who said that anybody who works or even gathers sticks on the Sabbath must be killed, who had two bears maul two kids for making fun of a bald man,who said that rebellious teens should be killed, who commanded whole cities to be destroyed, kids killed, women raped.And you worship this God.
You say God gave no solid evidence of what Jesus said or did or why he did it ? I take it that the New Testament is not enough ? What do you want ? An angel to appear and tell you ? I don't mean to sound sarcastic. Would you believe if an Angel came down and scared to crap out of everyone ? God doesn't want that kind of love. You should at least study the bible in detail, It may change your mind. It did mine.
@flatpicker1234 I have studied the Bible in detail. It is one of the reasons I am an atheist. If you have studied the Bible in detail and,having done so, love and worship the Biblical God, you are out of your mind.
@edwardtarte I have studied because I wanted answers. I found it so amazing that i got a degree in it. You can take things out of context and make the Levitcal Law look bad. The law was to show man he alone cannot be good enough. I guess it has alot to do with what you believe when you study it. I think the plan that God has put into place is just awesome. Not to overbearing that he scares people into worship. But enough to know that it is real if you want to find it.
@edwardtarte Ed, even though you gave up religion you are still deeply involved in it. Why spend so much energy opposing something? I believe you are doing this because life cannot be lived in a vacuum, that man must have some purpose. Why is that? Is that by accident? Alright, so you dont believe anymore; get over it bro! Move on! You need a hobby or something.
@DeDona1 "why spend so much time opposing something?" For the same reason that the civil rights movement in the US happened. When good people see something wrong in the world, they spend time and energy opposing it, they find solidarity with like-minded people, and they help make positive changes in the world. That is both a hobby and a purpose. Some of us find enjoyment in our anti-religious activism. (BTW Edward also makes piano and math vids - he has other hobbies.)
@flatpicker1234 Solid =/= written. Talk is cheap. Writing is even cheaper. I want to see miracles like Jesus allowed his disciples to see. We all deserve that much to have an equal shot at salvation. An angel causing fear? Not likely. Anyone who sees it would be converted to Christianity, thereby saving many souls. Why doesn't God do this? It's not free will or else everyone would have seen nothing. We get people who see things all the time so he is discriminating or non-existent.
@MunkyDrag0n I hear that alot. You want, You want. Really ? You are talking the God of everything. The Creator of all. And you want to see the miracles or you won't believe ? God does not people to worship him like that. He does not want people to love him like that. That is fake love. See is by no means discriminationg. He put a plan in place. It took thousands of years for that to take place. What were the chances of Israel becoming a nation again like the bible predicted ?
@flatpicker1234 If God wants people to believe without any tangible evidence, then he is rewarding gullibility. That is also fake. The definition of love is "to make efforts to educate, protect, or appease another due to concern for well-being." Notice how "believe without evidence" is not on there. His plan follows no pattern. Some prophecies are fulfilled, some did not. Israel became a nation due to human action and not divine miracle. Work on your grammar or I will stop taking you seriously.
@MunkyDrag0n You don't want evidence. You want God to come down himself and tell you. He doesn't want that kind of love. You say some prophecies were were fullfilled. So the prediction of Israel being scattered throughout the world and then becoming a nation again is just created by man ? So, what were the chances of that happening ? There is prophecy after prophecy that has been fullfilled. There are still many that are to be fullfilled. You started this conversation so deal with the grammer.
@flatpicker1234 Isn't that the kind of outstanding evidence for His outstanding claim that he all powerful and all-loving? Texts are not enough. I need to know God personally cares for my well-being. If it is to send me a vision or create a miracle for me to see, then that is what I require. Don't you think writing can be falsified by men? Israel was given back due to the Holocaust. It happened. There's no chance about it. The bible did not predict the Holocaust. Did you think of that?
@MunkyDrag0n I don't think that it is possible for the bible to be falsified by man. The bible is to alive and real. So many people have tried to disprove it and destroy it. When you study something, your outlook when you study will usually determine your outcome of what you study. I have not always been a believer. I had many questions with what the bible says. I don't have those anymore.
@flatpicker1234 Look up some of the atheist Bible parodies on Youtube. At first I found them offensive, but then I look in the Bible and see those verses. It is shocking.
Where do u people get this stuff? Man disprove the bible?? The bible refutes itself. There are countless errors and contradictions in scripture. And the claims of prophecies just falls on it's face.
If you don't have biblical questions anymore, I assure you, you don't know the bible, nor the roots of Judaism.
The 1 major discovery I've found in the past 4 yrs, was that the early Judaism was polytheistic, then later covertly changed to monotheistic. This invalidates Xianity..
@MunkyDrag0n The Bible predicts that the return of the Lord Jesus Christ will occur sometime after the regathering and return of the Jews from world wide dispersion into the land of Israel. This is only one prophecy. But look how great it is. There are so many. This one alone is just amazing. Call it man made or whatever. Just think of the odds of this happening. It was predicted exactly when christ would come and die. Hundreds of years before it happened. This stuff isn't by chance.
@flatpicker1234 It can easily be said that the men who wrote the Bible planned Jesus' death and resurrection if Jesus' death and resurrection were staged. I refuse to believe that and think Jesus died for real. However, I can understand the Bible lacks a calling card from God. As one of my friends said, "The Bible says 'I am God. Hear me roar.' while men stage the events in there." He is a conspiracy theorist, I know. However, I think some events like the Holocaust can be staged. Sorry.
I'm a Vietnam Vet but in my early years of service, I personally knew men who liberated the Holocaust camps and saw the carnage and the below animal standards the Jews were forced to exist in.
How anyone can even begin to think the Holocaust was staged is beyond me, especially with the tools of knowledge we have available to us today.
@Cootabux I did not say the Holocaust was staged to hide the deaths. I'm saying it was designed to fit the Bible. Hitler thought he was doing a great service by killing those who killed Jesus Christ. The UN probably returned Israel to the Jews to fulfill the prophecy in the Bible as well. That is what I meant by staged. They were done with intent. I despise theists who see man-made events as evidence of God. Hell, we can have men nuking the Earth to bring about the Apocalypse. It is scary.
There are such things as self fulfilling prophecies. But all it takes is 1 failed prophecy to realize the biblical prophecies were man made. I'll give u the biggest failure of all..jesus' own prophecy of his 2nd coming. Most Xians don't know this bcuz they don't study scripture, just cherry pick verses they like. Jesus told his disciples that they'd live to see his 2nd coming. JC told Caiaphas the same thing. He said "U will live to see the son of man coming in all his glory...."
@Cootabux I am not cherry picking anything ?I do think if you understood it better you would see it differently. The above is not what you think. I don't think he said they would live to see his second coming. I believe those are your words. You are referring to the Mt. of Transfiguration. Where Peter James and John saw Christ in his glory. They seen Christ as he really is. Mathew Chapter 17. That may be why he said "some of you"
28 Verily I say unto you, "There be some standing here," which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
There are about 10 verses n the gospels referring to jesus' 2nd coming & that it would occur during their lifetimes, not ours.
Btw, do u know how the bible came to be? Do u think god appeared B4 his elect and said "write these words?" Afraid not. Man decided to create the bible.
@Cootabux Mark (Mr 9:1), "till they see the kingdom of God come with power"; or, as in Luke (Lu 9:27), more simply still, "till they see the kingdom of God." The reference, beyond doubt, is to the firm establishment and victorious progress, in the lifetime of some then present, of that new kingdom of Christ, which was destined to work the greatest of all changes on this earth, and be the grand pledge of His final coming in glory.— This was not his second coming. It's his church.
28 Verily I say unto you, "There be some standing here," which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
JC says nothing about his church. He's specifically referring to "himself!"
Matt. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (A generation was 40 yrs)! He wasn't talking about an era, or a future generation.
62" I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the "Son of Man" sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Self Explanatory!
23 "When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes."
"Son of man comes!" He told them to be ready.
Also, JC's message was for the Jews...only! And btw, Revelation was a whole different ballgame.
@Cootabux You are referring to a completely different scripture ? No where in what you stated does he says they shall not taste death till they see this happen ? I know he came for the Jews. He knew they would not accept him. We are living in the time of the gentiles. The Jewish branch has been cut off and will be grafted back on in his return. When he returns you will see the son of man sitting on the right hand of the the mighy one!
"The Jewish branch has been cut off and will be grafted back on in his return. When he returns you will see the son of man sitting on the right hand of the the mighy one!"
I can tell you that the Jews don't agree with you're interpretation and neither do many Xians. But then, since there are over 38K diff. Xian denominations, it isn't hard to believe.They don't even agree with each other.
All of the verses I posted are most certainly referring to the same event. Please demonstrate how at least 2 verses where jesus tells his disciples they won't taste death, & the verse where he tells Caiaphas he'll live to see it...aren't related to the same event, jesus' return!
The entire message was 4 the Jews. If it weren't for Paul, there wouldn't be a Christianity today.
I don't want to stay on this too much on Ed's video, bcuz it's off topic. We can debate it on my ch.
@Cootabux I read the verse you are referring to Christ talking to Caiaphas. Your statement was that Caiaphas would see christs return before his death. Here is the actual verse. 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Matt 26:64 (KJV) That is far from you shall not taste death until you see my return. There is a logical answer to everyone of your statement
Yes, I've posted that same exact verse right here. What I said to you is that he told Caiaphas the same thing he told his followers, that they'd not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom.
Did u think he was telling Caiaphas..."as soon as u drop dead, you'll see me coming in all my glory...yada, yada? He said the same thing to Caiaphas as to all the others, that he will return within their lifetimes, and that it would be very soon, not 2K years into the future.
Now I'll post all the verses which I originally said to look at them together, not alone, or just one. Jesus was obviously referring to his 2nd coming and that it would be quick, & within their lifetime.
Matt.26: 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you (Caiaphas), Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
To me, the meaning is obvious. 2nd coming & everyone living then will see it!
@Cootabux The generation that see's the things he is talking about. Not the generation he is talking to. When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matt 24:32-34 (KJV) When his branch is yet tender is referring to Israel
@flatpicker1234 What are the chances that Israel is now a nation again after 2000 or so years. This is the generation that will see the son of man coming in his glory. There is debate on a biblical generation either 70 or 100 years. This generation that see's these things shall not pass. Not the one he was talking to.
@flatpicker1234 What are the chances that Israel is now a nation again after 2000 or so years. This is the generation that will see the son of man coming in his glory. There is debate on a biblical generation either 70 or 100 years. This generation that see's these things shall not pass. Not the one he was talking to.
"There is debate on a biblical generation either 70 or 100 years"
It's 40 years.
And look at the generation verse, along with the other verses pertaining to his return. They all spoke of the immediate future, & it's made very clear.
Jesus said he would return;
* Within Caiaphas' life time, and that he, Caiaphas, would witness JC's return..
* Within the lifetimes of his disciples.
* Before his disciples could preach the gospel to every city in Israel.
Again, your interpretation (apologetics). The Jews don't see it your way.
If it weren't for the other verses which specifically pertain to "their present period at that time" u might have a point, but there's too many others. But still, when he referred to "this generation," he said "this" not "that generation," which is how he had used similar wording in other passages.
Yes, Israel, but then, nor 2K yrs into the future. 2K yrs into the future to them is like a million to us.
@luishomeroremohsiul Aren't you the boy who plays video games ? This is an adult conversation. Your parents should have taught you to be quiet while adults are talking.
@flatpicker1234 Yeah, the adult who believes in idiotic nonsense nearly equivalent to believing in santa claus...you're an adult, yet you pathetically cling to stupidity like if it was candy cane.. i'm 23, i love videogames, i exercise and live a healthy life and have many aptitudes.. there is much more to videogames than your little brain can even begin to comprehend... go back to reading your fairy tales, kid..
Seriously that's all you got? Implicitly calling me "a kid" and trying to pick on a hobby of mine? .. no wonder why you christians are rapidly losing ground.. defending your beliefs with a faulty, incoherent book (the bible) and your stunning debating skills (lots of sarcasm)...
@luishomeroremohsiul Look Mario. You are the one who came into a conversation that had nothing to do with you. If you wanted to add to the conversation that would have been welcomed but you didn't. You showed your age, well mental age by just a smart PWND comment. ("That must be your awesome debating skills.") When you do that, you are going to get something smart back. You should either comment on the conversation or stay out of it. It's not that hard of a concept.
God told Adam if he ate that fruit he would die the very same day. (You say this was a lie ?) Could it be that you just don't understand how he died? The world was perfect then. Adam and Eve would have lived forever. Adam died spiritually that day. I see no lie.
"Nevertheless, in order to communicate with believers, I will speak of your God."
LOL, the Bible assumes God at the outset. Romans 1 : 19-20 points outside the Bible to the omnipotent being that is the source of all natural law.
This is why you can't bring your atheism into a Biblical argument. Put the Bible aside for a moment and begin with God. Adam was the only person with true free will.
Also, you're arguing from a stolen moral standard; thus begging the question.
You criticize the Bible but do not understand it at all. God told Adam he would die the day he ate of the Tree cause he would no longer live forever. He lived to be 950 or so and died. A day for God is as 1000yrs. He did not lie, You misunderstood. You do not Know God are simply closed minded to what the Bible actually teaches.
@ahmalala You address one point here, and ignore all the others. If you want to be taken seriously when you say "you misunderstand/ do not know x, y, or z" you'll need to address ALL the points made. Do you have an answer for the idea of a God punishing an endless line of descendents for a (possibly symbolic) "sin" committed thousands of years ago? Do you have an answer for the idea of infinite torture for finite crimes? Do you have an answer for a lack of evidence supporting biblical creation?
@WesternEstatesHOA Are you kidding? This guy in the Video doesnt even appear to know basics lol We are Punished for our own sins, Jesus Died to atonement for OUR sins. All we inherited from Adam was a sin nature. Even if u understand the Story as symbolic of our evolutionary psycholocgical development, it still applies.
@WesternEstatesHOA His arguments regarding Jesus' sacrifice and the rest are the most narrow possible and he does it unpurpose for his agenda, makes my blood boil. I know he must be smarter than that. Jesus' died of his own free will, nobody took his life from him but he layed it down and took it back up
@ahmalala That wasn't the point in the video at all. EdwardTarte was questioning why an omnipotent God saw fit to send His son into the world to be tortured and murdered in order to redeem sin, when (due to His omnipotence) he could have done it perfectly well without a human sacrifice.
@WesternEstatesHOA He has an agenda to make others believe as he does. Hes a pround atheist. If he where just an agnostic with some doubts i would understand, but he Just wants to willfully take the most narrow interpretations and put it in the worst light possible.
God is perfect and jesus was a perfect sacrifice for all. There has to be payment for sin cause God is perfectly just. All sin must be payed for.
Atheists say they are realists, what is real and what is fake? Why are you alive today? Why am i even asking this question? Who am I? What is out there? what is in there? what is life? what started life? From the life that makes suns burst, to the life that makes planets cold. How big is the universe? no How big is an atom? how small is the universe? Who are you? What do you believe? reality is far from what you think. Is life all but like a dream? and how soon will you forget
While I do appreciate the insight, I noticed clear ignorance on your part, Mr. Tarte, in this analysis. In now way should ignorance be confused with stupidity, but a thinker such as yourself should know very well that a single flaw in an argument destroys every argument based upon the incorrect assumption or detail. Nowhere does God say Adam would die the same day. proving your ignorance. The fruit gave knowledge of sin. It was only their sin, not a sentence for humanity. Our sin is our sin.
Jesus' death is modeled to mimic the methods of sacrifice that was used thousands of years prior to his death for the same purpose, asking for forgiveness. Before one says that the sacrifices were wrong, the animals would be killed anyway and were more respectful than game hunting done today. The ones who took part in the death did what was expected, not wanted. What was wanted was for there to be no need for it. I have run out of room and don't know my comment limit, so feel free to contact me.
Thank you, Mr. Tarte, for this video. I will mirror it.
I recently arrived at a similar conclusion regarding the Bible god's inability to forgive Adam and Eve then and there.
I ask for your help as a fellow Atheist who knows theology.
A pastor once told me "God is infinitely loving, infinitely just, and infinitely merciful." That would mean God could not forgive sin without punishing someone.
@amoxtlacatl, if your pastor's god is the god of the Bible, sit down with him and watch my videos on Hell, Hidden God, and/or Dilemma. Then confront him with the assertion that his God, far from being infinitely just, is infinitely cruel.
Was tough, though - conditioning is hard to break.
In fact, my question was aimed at breaking a few of my lingering shreds of conditioning.
Oh, yes. The Bible god is horribly cruel and disgusting.
That one realization keeps me from Christianity - that and the fact that people will attempt to justify their god's every deed "because it is a plan".
Ed: [far from being infinitely just, is infinitely cruel.]
Again, according to what reliable standard of cruelty? From an atheist POV, you don't have any.
Adam could have written down the entire moral law required of him on one hand. But then you're disingenuous about an extant God to begin with (see previous comment).
Original Sin is a monstrous absurdity. And foisting this concept upon children is tantamount to child abuse. This is one of the easiest logical arguments to use to counter Christian theology, If one believes that the Earth is older than 6000 years, then the creation story is not true, along with Original Sin. If there is no Original Sin, then there is no need for redemption.
Why am i guilty for something I never did, I never asked to be born and now I'm guilty for it? Now, God created everything in the universe, but he has to die to save us from a rule he himself made? I see it more noble in the viking mythology where the gods are fighting to save humanity from an evil they cant prevent.
Come now, tell us what you REALLY feel about it! :)
I am enjoying your videos very much Catholicism was my first religion, and so it was the first one I left in my search for the truth, eventually finding myself an Atheist.
im just trying to relate to what u said about the forbidden fruit about God and how he made it in to a HUGE Deal well when a parent says dont do something and the kid does it the parent sometimes can turn it in a big deal is disrespecting their authority so in a way pissing them off
btw im atheist
btw Morals are things rules/guidelines you make for your self things u think are right and wrong
mayb for him its wasnt moraly wrong ur talking as if his this hate full guy
I love your matter-of-fact blunt presentation. It's perfect for expressing the complete stupidity of these beliefs. The whole Adam and Eve original sin concept was one of the main things that got me questioning my faith which lead me to my disbelief. It's amazing and somewhat disturbing when I ask my Catholic friends about this stuff that they find nothing strange, ridiculous, or objectionable about it.
The whole "died for our sins" thing has not and cannot possibly be clarified by any Christian. So as well as subscribing to you i have taken the liberty of responding with my video "ONE question for Christians" to highlight what a throwaway statement it really is. It is a precis of a much earlier video i did but using the characters of Father Ted. If you have never seen Father Ted (an Irish comedy) then you should check it out because as an ex Catholic Priest it may bring a smile to your face.
I suggest you critics listen to this guy and you decide for yourself. I was born Christian,converted to islam while in theology school. I see the same man made propaganda going on in Islam and now I'm studying Athiesm. Arab muslims murdering african muslims. European christians killing african christians. It is those who believe in God whio are doing the most killing on the world scene rigth now. Jesus ain't coming back.
Adam did die the day he ate the fruit. He died a spiritual seperation from God, which is considered death to God. The Word of God says we are all dead in our sins untill we are forgiven by sdalvation, at which time we live.
@NephilimFree, there is no evidence that Adam even existed. There is no evidence that the Bible was written by anyone other than primitive men. There is no evidence that your God exists. There is no evidence that there is such a thing as being 'dead in sins,' to be 'forgiven by salvation.' There is overwhelming evidence that you are deluded and basing your life on superstition and fantasy.
@edwardtarte Mitochondrial Eve was a discovery made by evolutionists. It's genetic verification that all of man came from a single woman. The mutation rate in man points to humanity being only about 6,000 yrs old. You need to open your mind and get outside of your little box. There's a world of knowledge out there you lack.
@NephilimFree, I am sending you a link to an essay about the approximately 200,000-year-old Mitrochondrial Eve that asserts that you 'are talking crap' and backs up that assertion with evidence.
@edwardtarte I really like that comment you made about the bible being writtne by primitive man. Name another book in the world that contains that much history and prophecy and intricate detail and you say it was written by primitive man. What a comment. It really shows how much you really know to think that primitive man wrote the bible. I will not respond it's really not worth my time anymore. I am sure will just delete the comment anyways.
@NephilimFree, half a century ago, for about nine years, as a seminarian and then a priest, my mind was closed, poisoned by religion. Then my mind gradually opened and I have been an open-minded person ever since. It is not a worthwhile comment for you to make telling me that I need to 'open my mind and get outside of my little box'.
@NephilimFree "It would be impossible for man to have written the Bible. It's supernatural properties span it's books and could not be contrived by humans."
@yermomsboxx, if you are implying that Neph's comment about the Bible is extremely senseless and without merit, I certainly agree with you. I have sent him my video on the Bible, but I am not optimistic that that's anything more than an exercise in futility.
@NephilimFree :--and could not be contrived by humans.-- Like this yuou mean ?Judges 3:19-25 ESV
And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out.
@lizazoon, thank you. There are, as I am sure you realize, hundreds of other Biblical quotations that show the utter stupidity of NephilimFree's assertion that the Bible was clearly written not by men but by a supernatural being. That is the thrust of my video Bible--Word of God.
@edwardtarte I ask one thing Mr.tarte. What happens to that inner conciousness of human being after death. Everyone wants to believe that we the superiour animals on earth(humans) want to believe in some type of afterlife.. what satisfies that curiosity, desire to believe in an afterlife ???? Thanks for your videos.
The evidence from science is excellent evidence for naturalism and hence atheism. All the evidence we have supports naturalism.
When you provide evidence for your magic man... but you now you even refuse.
But remember you do believe in naturalism, it is not me you are trying to convince, it is yourself, that is why you actively pursue something you insist does not exist.
@aaugoaa the fact that the tree of good and evil was always in the garden...which is symbolic of man and woman always being capable of both good and evil...they were not ignorant of it like many think, they were told just not to eat of it...to eat is to act on that knowledge.
@aaugoaa, according to your own argument, Jesus was born of a virgin. Seems you contradict yourself. You can say story X is not meant to be taken literally, and by your own rules someone else can say it is. It's all subjective, and based on experience, right?.
edwardtarte is right - your comments make no sense.
@dbes02 i never said the story "Jesus was born of a virgin" was to be taken literally...i said that do people really think Jesus was born of a virgin...No..he wasn't it's symbolism...thats what i said. you didn't read my comment properly.
@aaugoaa, I know what you said. And based on your own argument subjective experience and subjective views are all correct You say something is symbolism, others say it is literal. You didn't read my comment properly.
@dbes02 and like i told you...every thing you think is subjective..however mythology is a fact in spiritual text...it's how the ancients had written, but it's up to people what they believe...that's what makes us all unique...subjective thinking.
@aaugoaa however how one chooses to interpret that mythology is subjective...but that should at least tell people that it's not to be taken literally..also i learned the meaning of ancient symbols, which helped me to interpret the text.
@aaugoaa, yes, I know what you said, and by your own argument (which you repeat) is it's up to people what they believe. So people believe that Jesus was born from a virgin.
First you say everything is subjective, but then you claim something "doesn't make sense". Are you know saying it's objective? You're not making sense.
@dbes02 yes some read the bible literally, or part literal part symbolism, some think Jesus was actually born of a virgin, they choose to believe that, i choose not to, because i have learned mythology, and think that is more likely to be the truth, because it makes more sense to me, truth is suppose to make sense, all my point was to Edward Tarte was did he consider that, or does he even know about symbolism, and there is other ways to read the text.
@aaugoaa i know full well that fundalmentalists of religion think i'm wrong, the shame is that because most people bow to the masses, other people also believe the text is suppose to be read literally, yes it's all subjective. the truth is in there somewhere, but what people choose to think that truth is, is whats subjective.
@dbes02 I'm not saying there is never any truth, I'm saying how people see truth is what is subjective..even in science...if a scientists is paid or given a grant to research a certain agenda, that's all he will look for, he won't look at all the angles because he is being paid for a certain agenda, if he told to look for evolution by random events that's all he will look for. a design scientists will just look for design etc
@aaugoaa,I said clearly near the beginning that I do not accept the Bible as a reasonable foundation for religious belief nor as reliable history. Nevertheless, in order to communicate with believers, I said the things that follow. Therefore your comment makes no sense to me.
@edwardtarte maybe you didn't understand my question.
when you read the bible or any spiritual text, do you read it literally, or do you see any of it as symbolic, i would be surprised if you as a teacher read spiritual text as literal, i would have thought a teacher would have been more cultured and deeper thinking.
@aaugoaa, in order to communicate with the majority of Christians, who take the Adam and Eve account literally, I have to speak the way I do in this video.
@aaugoaa you tell others not to take it literally, and yet your a creationist and use the literal words in that book writtin by man 2000 years ago as your weapon against evolution and the world wide scientifc community?! hypocrite! you are so lost... this very same scientific community who gave you the computer your typing on to disrespect them?! wow...
@aARIESsSs no i don't take it literally aries, every thing is a creation of some sort, your just to afraid to admit because you think it means there must be a God,
no i don't use God for evidence against evolution, that's atheist tool for evidence for evolution, your confused aries.don't confuse evolution with technology aries...crikey your so lame... NOW STOP STALKING ME.
@aaugoaa aaugoaa you are one pathetic lady, everything is a creation of some sort? oh yeah? so where did they come from? are you saying nothing came from something? nothing was created EVER, just because you do not understand the basics of chemistry and biology does not mean you are justified in running your mouth, it means you ignorant by choice, theres a difference between claiming "spirituality" and stupidity.
And furthermore, when Adam sinned the Devil gained lordship over this world yet when Jesus made his supposedly "glorious beyond words" accomplishment, Satan retained his dominion. THAT is STUPID beyond words.
dymchurch1 1 month ago
@dymchurch1
Godfail!
dingodavid 1 month ago
Very good video sir. Why so many people can not realise just how evil and depraved Yahweh is beats the hell out of me!
Jedite05 2 months ago
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
-Galileo
cablepanos 2 months ago
I prefer to use the term 'inherited sin'. To my mind this term better describes the docrtrine, and helps to highlight the injustice and absurdity of punishing children for the 'sins' of their distant ancestors.
dingodavid 2 months ago
@dingodavid, thank you for your comment. Following your excellent idea, I have just edited the title of this video:)
edwardtarte 2 months ago
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Jesus carried no money; he was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver. Money corrupts us all. We have misunderstood the message. Jesus wanted peace on earth but we will never have peace while money exists. Please watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward 2011 and research The Venus Project. You may hear religion critized but that's just an opinion, in the end God exists if you believe he does.
nansir 4 months ago
Mr Tarte, you may be interested in watching Thunderf00t's latest video.
nitoro81 7 months ago
The end is near my brothers and siisters remove that blind fold and repent!!
TheGirl4GOD18 9 months ago
Ed,
I apologize for all the posts. I felt it was important to post even more than necessary to make my point.
I know you've been patient and I appreciate that.
Now, if this guy still wants to discuss these issues, I'll move it to Original Sin, so that it stays on topic. I know you're strong about staying o
We have an alert that just lit up. Gotta go. Be back ths evening, I hope
Cootabux 9 months ago
If the bible is the inerrant word of god, why are there so many Cosmological errors in Genesis?
The bible is a mass of confusion. No one can agree on interpretations. There are 39K diff. denominations world wide & none agree.
If god gave us his words, I'd at least expect it to be by his hand & not many men's hands. And since salvation is the most important gospel message, why isn't god making some effort to let us know in no uncertain terms that he's real? Why no show for 2K yrs? Not a sound...
Cootabux 9 months ago
So true!
calmreason 10 months ago
He did die the same day. It was spiritual death, not physical death that he died of.
What you suggest is that god take away freewill in order to make man right with him.
There is all kinds of evidence of God. You simply choose to reject it in favor of hedonism.
You really need to learn what sripture actually tells us about Genesis. The 6 days are not 24 hr periods. Science and evolution are not in conflict.
TrustinJC 11 months ago
TrustinJC
U said; "There is all kinds of evidence of God. You simply choose to reject it in favor of hedonism."
No, there isn't! U present ur evidence here, & I'll show u why it isn't.
U said; "You really need to learn what sripture actually tells us about Genesis. The 6 days are not 24 hr periods. Science and evolution are not in conflict."
No there isn't any conflict. So tell me, what do u think Adam & Eve physically looked like, especially knowing we share common ancestry with earl apes?
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux I've made plenty of videos talking about the evidence of God. I'm not going to repeat it to every person who requests it by way of comments.
Adam and Eve wouldn't have looked that different from us 6,000 yrs ago. That is when God revealed himself and placed his spirit in man.
TrustinJC 10 months ago
TrustinJC
"Adam and Eve wouldn't have looked that different from us 6,000 yrs ago"
Any man or woman 6K yrs ago would look exactly the same as we do today. The problem is, Adam & Eve didn't live 6K yrs ago, not if they were supposed to be the 1st man and woman. But we know they didn't exist 6K yrs ago bcuz Evolutionary Biologists have already mapped the genes of the oldest man & woman. The woman traced back to 150K yrs ago, & the man traced back to 95K yrs ago. (Approx.).
This is a fact.
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux We see in Genesis that God says, "let us make man in our image".
So mankind existed at this point, but they were wholly carnal. The image that they were made in has nothing to do with our physical body, but rather has everything to do with our spirit nature.
Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman. They were, however, the first that were made in God's image.
TrustinJC 10 months ago
@Cootabux That is hilarious! SO woman had to wait around 55k years for man to show up and she could then reproduce ? It takes alot more faith to believe in evolution than it does God. You really think that man and womans reproductive systems could evolve at exactly the same pace to be able to reproduce in order to keep the species going ? Talk about faith in something!! That is amazing.
flatpicker1234 10 months ago
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flatpicker1234
Surely you not so oblivious that you don't understand my reference to the gene mapping and what it means???
What a Maroooon!!
Listen Mr. Creatard, what the mapping means is that they have only been able to go that far with each. Approx. 150K for woman, & 95K for a man..."AND" they weren't even in the same geographical location!!
I guess that means to your way of thinking, they had to find each other?? Ha, ha!
They weren't the 1st, fool!! It's how far we've mapped so far!
Cont.
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
But the most important thing this tells us is that mankind is a whole lot older than 6K yrs. LOLs!
By your last question, I can see that u have no understanding of Evolution. Do yourself a favor & go to Talk Origins dot org, & your questions on Evolution can be answered.
Besides the fact that we know man is much older than scripture says, we also know that we share common ancestry with apes. I know u Fundies hate that, but it's a fact of life. The monster u worship isn't one!
Cootabux 9 months ago
@Cootabux I can tell by your talk you are just a young kid with alot to learn. In a few years when you grow up some, maybe we can have a debate without all the teenage name calling.
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
flatpicker1234
" I can tell by your talk you are just a young kid with alot to learn. In a few years when you grow up some, maybe we can have a debate without all the teenage name calling."
Is that your method of bailing out of a discussion?? Are you just embarrassed bcuz you completely misunderstood how science has genetically traced to the year & location of the oldest man & woman? If you're going to ridicule Evolution, at least make sure you know something about the subject.
Bye
Cootabux 9 months ago
@Cootabux I am more than willing to discuss, just not with someone who calls names like a nine year old. To me, evolution is a joke. For one, it's called the "THEORY Of Evolution". And that's all it is. A Theory. Of the Millions of Species on this planet that have to have a male and female to reproduce including man, what are the chances of a male and female reproductive system "Evolving" at the same time. What do you guess about a million or so years for that to evolve?
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
@Cootabux - So say it takes a million or so years for the reproductive system to evolve. Do you know how crazy it sounds that they would get done, "Evolving" at the same time in order to reproduce ? There are so many holes in evolution it's not funny. But that is all science has. It's just a theory.
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
flatpicker1234
U said; "There are so many holes in evolution it's not funny. But that is all science has. It's just a theory."
Again, it's not just a theory, but a Scientific Theory. Google it. Better yet, go to Talk Origins.
It seems like many holes to u. It did to me before I studied the subject. Once u understand how these attributes formed, the confusion will leave, I assure u.
Go to Talk O., then to my channel.
If u want to discuss O.Sin, I'll be happy to engage in that discussion!!
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
The reason I blasted u is bcuz of your attempt to ridicule something of which u know nothing about. I give what I get.
Of course Evolution is a joke to u, U have to take that position bcuz it conflicts with Genesis' Adam & Eve account. This is the reason why all Xians deny Evolution. They feel they must. But they, like u, have no understanding of it, yet u contend it's a joke. To show this, look at your questions. You don't know that a Scientific Theory is not the same
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
the "theory" U R used to using. A scientific Theory is a compilation of the facts. It explains how these facts work to make up the discipline. It's no different than the Atomic Theory, Germ Theory, or the Theory of Gravity. They mean something quite different than what u thought.
"Talk Origin" dot org is constructed & contributed to by scientists. They can explain how these sexes formed. They did not start as male and female. Many species are A-sexual.
bcuz u have such little
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
knowledge of Evolution, as I noticed from our 1st exchange, I suggested to u B4 to go to Talk Origins, if in fact u have an honest interest in understanding how Evolution works and it is in fact true.
When I'm challenged to show an example, I present Whale evolution. It is 1 of the best examples of Evolution to date bcuz it shows approx. 30 transitional fossils demonstrating land mammal to sea going whales.
But we can't discuss it here as it's off topic. Ed has been kind to us.
Cootabux 9 months ago
@Cootabux Come on. You mean to say that evolution is a fact ? Are you sure evolution is a compilation of the facts ? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds ? They are not facts. More like educated guesses. No matter what your website says, Where is that link between when the millions of different creatures went from self reproduction to two different sexes. It does not exist. You are talking millions of species that would have to evolve at precisely the exact time for this to happen.
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
flatpicker1234
No, I'm giving you the short definition of a scientific theory. Evolution is a fact. To refer to it as a scientific theory, takes nothing away from it. To date, everything known about Evolution has not falsified Evolution as the explanation for the diversity and progression of life on Earth. Evolution has over 1500 peer reviewed papers done, where Creation has zero.
Do u think every mystery, every question has to be answered before we can determine that Evolution is true? NO!
Cootabux 9 months ago
@Cootabux This is straight from your recommended website. "Many hypotheses have been proposed for the evolutionary advantage of sex (Barton and Charlesworth 1998)." This does not sound like fact to me. There is really no explanation other than it was a slow process. It's an Unproven Theory. Unlike the Atomic Theory that is a proven theory.
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
U said; "This is straight from your recommended website. "Many hypotheses have been proposed for the evolutionary advantage of sex (Barton and Charlesworth 1998)." This does not sound like fact to me."
I disappointed in u. I question your motives now, (it isn't like I didn't suspect them before)!
And u stopped there? Ok, I'll go do the work for u. Then I'll refer to it so everyone can see it.
Lets say that they didn't have a definite answer on how gender became specific,
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker
In fact, lets say that they drew a blank on the question of how sex developed. (And I haven't studied this question personally), do u think that this would mean Evolution would come crumbling down?? We don't have all the answers we'd like to have about many things, including how life started, tho it's likely via Abiogenesis). Even without all the answers, we have enough now to know that evolution is happening right now, and speciation has been observed.
I'll go there myself
Cootabux 9 months ago
@Cootabux I don't yhink it would come crumbling down. I think you may start to realize that everything about evolution is not fact. How the sexes came about is pretty major. It's no small issue, and I have researched it. There is no absolute answer. Alot of guessing in my book. This is just one area that is really gray. You are just so adament about everything is so factual about evolution. It's not. It takes alot more faith to believe in evolution than it does creation. Creation has no holes!
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
Oh brother!!!!
I never said everything about Evolution is factual. I said we have more than enough data, knowledge, to know that Evolution is a fact of life....a scientific Theory!
Look at these :
ERVs, Chromosomal fusion, Atavisms, and Vestigial organs. These 4 factors "together" not just one by itself, but all confirm common ancestry for man & ape. In fact, we are apes. Man "is" a modern ape.
Do u know that if the process of Evolution were not a fact, Agriculture,
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
Pharmacology, Biology ad many different disciplines of medicine just would not work!! We would not be as advanced in those areas as are are today. Those different disciplines are very much dependent on Evolution!
We don't know how life began, but that doesn't mean a ghost-god did it. Same thing with the BB. But not knowing either takes one iota of evidence away from Evolution.
What's funny about Xians who strongly deny Evol., is that they do it bcuz it conflicts with bible!!
Cootabux 9 months ago
Another great video. I wonder if you always speak like that
sadrequiem 1 year ago
Edward, thanks for taking the time for making this videos, indeed , this "original sin" fairytale is probably the most insane, inmoral and hilariuos christian doctrine ever, it really cannot be more messed up. Keep going !!
elvigia666 1 year ago
You really believe you understand what your talking about? Taking the side of some snake and not the all loving God.
MsLucky443 1 year ago
Why do animals die? What sin did they commit? Did the animals all grab a bag of popcorn and watch Adam and Eve go at it? Did Adam and Eve give the animals the idea?
zackindy312 1 year ago
@flatpicker1234 So God, who is one and part of God, didn't order Moses to do all the killing of his own people. After he order the killing did he not watch because he was to holy?
zackindy312 1 year ago
@zackindy312 "too holy" not "to holy"
zackindy312 1 year ago
@flatpicker1234 you don't know the bible. He said that he created evil. Look it up. I am not a liar. I know Paul keep saying over and over he was not a liar, but unlike Paul wild statement, you can look up what I am telling you. If you can't find it ask me where it is when he was quoted as saying that.
zackindy312 1 year ago
@flatpicker1234 God cannot look upon sin? I thought he was omnipotent?
owned!
LCHC1 1 year ago
@flatpicker1234,"God cannot look upon sin"? Your Biblical God is the most evil being ever imagined by humans: a mass-murdering,child-abusing,genocidal, infanticidal,slavery-endorsing,rape-endorsing monster,who said that anybody who works or even gathers sticks on the Sabbath must be killed, who had two bears maul two kids for making fun of a bald man,who said that rebellious teens should be killed, who commanded whole cities to be destroyed, kids killed, women raped.And you worship this God.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 9
You say God gave no solid evidence of what Jesus said or did or why he did it ? I take it that the New Testament is not enough ? What do you want ? An angel to appear and tell you ? I don't mean to sound sarcastic. Would you believe if an Angel came down and scared to crap out of everyone ? God doesn't want that kind of love. You should at least study the bible in detail, It may change your mind. It did mine.
flatpicker1234 1 year ago
@flatpicker1234 I have studied the Bible in detail. It is one of the reasons I am an atheist. If you have studied the Bible in detail and,having done so, love and worship the Biblical God, you are out of your mind.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 24
@edwardtarte I have studied because I wanted answers. I found it so amazing that i got a degree in it. You can take things out of context and make the Levitcal Law look bad. The law was to show man he alone cannot be good enough. I guess it has alot to do with what you believe when you study it. I think the plan that God has put into place is just awesome. Not to overbearing that he scares people into worship. But enough to know that it is real if you want to find it.
flatpicker1234 1 year ago
@edwardtarte Ed, even though you gave up religion you are still deeply involved in it. Why spend so much energy opposing something? I believe you are doing this because life cannot be lived in a vacuum, that man must have some purpose. Why is that? Is that by accident? Alright, so you dont believe anymore; get over it bro! Move on! You need a hobby or something.
DeDona1 5 months ago
@DeDona1 "why spend so much time opposing something?" For the same reason that the civil rights movement in the US happened. When good people see something wrong in the world, they spend time and energy opposing it, they find solidarity with like-minded people, and they help make positive changes in the world. That is both a hobby and a purpose. Some of us find enjoyment in our anti-religious activism. (BTW Edward also makes piano and math vids - he has other hobbies.)
apostatexp 2 months ago
@apostatexp : awesome reply!
Alineniz 1 month ago
@flatpicker1234 Solid =/= written. Talk is cheap. Writing is even cheaper. I want to see miracles like Jesus allowed his disciples to see. We all deserve that much to have an equal shot at salvation. An angel causing fear? Not likely. Anyone who sees it would be converted to Christianity, thereby saving many souls. Why doesn't God do this? It's not free will or else everyone would have seen nothing. We get people who see things all the time so he is discriminating or non-existent.
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n I hear that alot. You want, You want. Really ? You are talking the God of everything. The Creator of all. And you want to see the miracles or you won't believe ? God does not people to worship him like that. He does not want people to love him like that. That is fake love. See is by no means discriminationg. He put a plan in place. It took thousands of years for that to take place. What were the chances of Israel becoming a nation again like the bible predicted ?
flatpicker1234 11 months ago
@flatpicker1234 If God wants people to believe without any tangible evidence, then he is rewarding gullibility. That is also fake. The definition of love is "to make efforts to educate, protect, or appease another due to concern for well-being." Notice how "believe without evidence" is not on there. His plan follows no pattern. Some prophecies are fulfilled, some did not. Israel became a nation due to human action and not divine miracle. Work on your grammar or I will stop taking you seriously.
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n You don't want evidence. You want God to come down himself and tell you. He doesn't want that kind of love. You say some prophecies were were fullfilled. So the prediction of Israel being scattered throughout the world and then becoming a nation again is just created by man ? So, what were the chances of that happening ? There is prophecy after prophecy that has been fullfilled. There are still many that are to be fullfilled. You started this conversation so deal with the grammer.
flatpicker1234 11 months ago
@flatpicker1234 Isn't that the kind of outstanding evidence for His outstanding claim that he all powerful and all-loving? Texts are not enough. I need to know God personally cares for my well-being. If it is to send me a vision or create a miracle for me to see, then that is what I require. Don't you think writing can be falsified by men? Israel was given back due to the Holocaust. It happened. There's no chance about it. The bible did not predict the Holocaust. Did you think of that?
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n I don't think that it is possible for the bible to be falsified by man. The bible is to alive and real. So many people have tried to disprove it and destroy it. When you study something, your outlook when you study will usually determine your outcome of what you study. I have not always been a believer. I had many questions with what the bible says. I don't have those anymore.
flatpicker1234 11 months ago
@flatpicker1234 Look up some of the atheist Bible parodies on Youtube. At first I found them offensive, but then I look in the Bible and see those verses. It is shocking.
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago
flatpicker1234
Where do u people get this stuff? Man disprove the bible?? The bible refutes itself. There are countless errors and contradictions in scripture. And the claims of prophecies just falls on it's face.
If you don't have biblical questions anymore, I assure you, you don't know the bible, nor the roots of Judaism.
The 1 major discovery I've found in the past 4 yrs, was that the early Judaism was polytheistic, then later covertly changed to monotheistic. This invalidates Xianity..
Cootabux 10 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n The Bible predicts that the return of the Lord Jesus Christ will occur sometime after the regathering and return of the Jews from world wide dispersion into the land of Israel. This is only one prophecy. But look how great it is. There are so many. This one alone is just amazing. Call it man made or whatever. Just think of the odds of this happening. It was predicted exactly when christ would come and die. Hundreds of years before it happened. This stuff isn't by chance.
flatpicker1234 11 months ago
@flatpicker1234 It can easily be said that the men who wrote the Bible planned Jesus' death and resurrection if Jesus' death and resurrection were staged. I refuse to believe that and think Jesus died for real. However, I can understand the Bible lacks a calling card from God. As one of my friends said, "The Bible says 'I am God. Hear me roar.' while men stage the events in there." He is a conspiracy theorist, I know. However, I think some events like the Holocaust can be staged. Sorry.
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago
MunkyDrag0n
I'm a Vietnam Vet but in my early years of service, I personally knew men who liberated the Holocaust camps and saw the carnage and the below animal standards the Jews were forced to exist in.
How anyone can even begin to think the Holocaust was staged is beyond me, especially with the tools of knowledge we have available to us today.
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux I did not say the Holocaust was staged to hide the deaths. I'm saying it was designed to fit the Bible. Hitler thought he was doing a great service by killing those who killed Jesus Christ. The UN probably returned Israel to the Jews to fulfill the prophecy in the Bible as well. That is what I meant by staged. They were done with intent. I despise theists who see man-made events as evidence of God. Hell, we can have men nuking the Earth to bring about the Apocalypse. It is scary.
MunkyDrag0n 10 months ago
flatpicker1234
There are such things as self fulfilling prophecies. But all it takes is 1 failed prophecy to realize the biblical prophecies were man made. I'll give u the biggest failure of all..jesus' own prophecy of his 2nd coming. Most Xians don't know this bcuz they don't study scripture, just cherry pick verses they like. Jesus told his disciples that they'd live to see his 2nd coming. JC told Caiaphas the same thing. He said "U will live to see the son of man coming in all his glory...."
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux I am not cherry picking anything ?I do think if you understood it better you would see it differently. The above is not what you think. I don't think he said they would live to see his second coming. I believe those are your words. You are referring to the Mt. of Transfiguration. Where Peter James and John saw Christ in his glory. They seen Christ as he really is. Mathew Chapter 17. That may be why he said "some of you"
flatpicker1234 10 months ago
flatpicker1234
The biggest failed prophecy was jesus' own;
Matthew 16:28 (KJV)
28 Verily I say unto you, "There be some standing here," which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
There are about 10 verses n the gospels referring to jesus' 2nd coming & that it would occur during their lifetimes, not ours.
Btw, do u know how the bible came to be? Do u think god appeared B4 his elect and said "write these words?" Afraid not. Man decided to create the bible.
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux Mark (Mr 9:1), "till they see the kingdom of God come with power"; or, as in Luke (Lu 9:27), more simply still, "till they see the kingdom of God." The reference, beyond doubt, is to the firm establishment and victorious progress, in the lifetime of some then present, of that new kingdom of Christ, which was destined to work the greatest of all changes on this earth, and be the grand pledge of His final coming in glory.— This was not his second coming. It's his church.
flatpicker1234 10 months ago
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flatpicker1234
NO SIR!!
Jesus was referring to his coming in all his glory.
Matthew 16:28 (KJV)
28 Verily I say unto you, "There be some standing here," which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
JC says nothing about his church. He's specifically referring to "himself!"
Matt. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (A generation was 40 yrs)! He wasn't talking about an era, or a future generation.
Cootabux 10 months ago
flatpicker1234
Mark 14:62 (NIV)
62" I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the "Son of Man" sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Self Explanatory!
23 "When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes."
"Son of man comes!" He told them to be ready.
Also, JC's message was for the Jews...only! And btw, Revelation was a whole different ballgame.
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux You are referring to a completely different scripture ? No where in what you stated does he says they shall not taste death till they see this happen ? I know he came for the Jews. He knew they would not accept him. We are living in the time of the gentiles. The Jewish branch has been cut off and will be grafted back on in his return. When he returns you will see the son of man sitting on the right hand of the the mighy one!
flatpicker1234 10 months ago
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flatpicker1234
"The Jewish branch has been cut off and will be grafted back on in his return. When he returns you will see the son of man sitting on the right hand of the the mighy one!"
I can tell you that the Jews don't agree with you're interpretation and neither do many Xians. But then, since there are over 38K diff. Xian denominations, it isn't hard to believe.They don't even agree with each other.
Cont.
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
All of the verses I posted are most certainly referring to the same event. Please demonstrate how at least 2 verses where jesus tells his disciples they won't taste death, & the verse where he tells Caiaphas he'll live to see it...aren't related to the same event, jesus' return!
The entire message was 4 the Jews. If it weren't for Paul, there wouldn't be a Christianity today.
I don't want to stay on this too much on Ed's video, bcuz it's off topic. We can debate it on my ch.
Cootabux 9 months ago
@Cootabux I read the verse you are referring to Christ talking to Caiaphas. Your statement was that Caiaphas would see christs return before his death. Here is the actual verse. 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Matt 26:64 (KJV) That is far from you shall not taste death until you see my return. There is a logical answer to everyone of your statement
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
flatpicker1234
Yes, I've posted that same exact verse right here. What I said to you is that he told Caiaphas the same thing he told his followers, that they'd not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom.
Did u think he was telling Caiaphas..."as soon as u drop dead, you'll see me coming in all my glory...yada, yada? He said the same thing to Caiaphas as to all the others, that he will return within their lifetimes, and that it would be very soon, not 2K years into the future.
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
Now I'll post all the verses which I originally said to look at them together, not alone, or just one. Jesus was obviously referring to his 2nd coming and that it would be quick, & within their lifetime.
Matt.26: 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you (Caiaphas), Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
To me, the meaning is obvious. 2nd coming & everyone living then will see it!
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
Matthew 16:28 (KJV)
28 Verily I say unto you, "There be some standing here," which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 9
1 And he said to them, I tell you the truth, "some who are standing here" will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.
Matthew 10:23 (KJV)
Luke 9:27 (NIV)
27I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
Luke 21:32 (NIV)
32 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
Matthew 23:36 (NIV)
36 "I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."
He was talking about "THIS" generation, not that generation, which is what he would have said if he was referring to the distant future.
Using this verse, with the others, and the meaning is clear.
Just one more post.
Cootabux 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234
James 5:8
8 "You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near.
1 Corinthians 7:29
29 "What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none."
Mark 14:62
62" I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Mark 13:29
29. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Cootabux 9 months ago
@Cootabux The generation that see's the things he is talking about. Not the generation he is talking to. When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matt 24:32-34 (KJV) When his branch is yet tender is referring to Israel
flatpicker1234 10 months ago
@flatpicker1234 What are the chances that Israel is now a nation again after 2000 or so years. This is the generation that will see the son of man coming in his glory. There is debate on a biblical generation either 70 or 100 years. This generation that see's these things shall not pass. Not the one he was talking to.
flatpicker1234 10 months ago
@flatpicker1234 What are the chances that Israel is now a nation again after 2000 or so years. This is the generation that will see the son of man coming in his glory. There is debate on a biblical generation either 70 or 100 years. This generation that see's these things shall not pass. Not the one he was talking to.
flatpicker1234 10 months ago
flatpicker1234
"There is debate on a biblical generation either 70 or 100 years"
It's 40 years.
And look at the generation verse, along with the other verses pertaining to his return. They all spoke of the immediate future, & it's made very clear.
Jesus said he would return;
* Within Caiaphas' life time, and that he, Caiaphas, would witness JC's return..
* Within the lifetimes of his disciples.
* Before his disciples could preach the gospel to every city in Israel.
* Within their generation.
Cootabux 9 months ago
flatpicker1234
Again, your interpretation (apologetics). The Jews don't see it your way.
If it weren't for the other verses which specifically pertain to "their present period at that time" u might have a point, but there's too many others. But still, when he referred to "this generation," he said "this" not "that generation," which is how he had used similar wording in other passages.
Yes, Israel, but then, nor 2K yrs into the future. 2K yrs into the future to them is like a million to us.
Cootabux 9 months ago
@flatpicker1234 LOLPWND.
luishomeroremohsiul 10 months ago
@flatpicker1234 LOLPWND
luishomeroremohsiul 9 months ago
@luishomeroremohsiul Aren't you the boy who plays video games ? This is an adult conversation. Your parents should have taught you to be quiet while adults are talking.
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
@flatpicker1234 Yeah, the adult who believes in idiotic nonsense nearly equivalent to believing in santa claus...you're an adult, yet you pathetically cling to stupidity like if it was candy cane.. i'm 23, i love videogames, i exercise and live a healthy life and have many aptitudes.. there is much more to videogames than your little brain can even begin to comprehend... go back to reading your fairy tales, kid..
WHOAPWND again.
luishomeroremohsiul 9 months ago
@luishomeroremohsiul I am sorry, I struck a video game nerve. You win. You PWND me ?
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
Seriously that's all you got? Implicitly calling me "a kid" and trying to pick on a hobby of mine? .. no wonder why you christians are rapidly losing ground.. defending your beliefs with a faulty, incoherent book (the bible) and your stunning debating skills (lots of sarcasm)...
luishomeroremohsiul 9 months ago
@luishomeroremohsiul Look Mario. You are the one who came into a conversation that had nothing to do with you. If you wanted to add to the conversation that would have been welcomed but you didn't. You showed your age, well mental age by just a smart PWND comment. ("That must be your awesome debating skills.") When you do that, you are going to get something smart back. You should either comment on the conversation or stay out of it. It's not that hard of a concept.
flatpicker1234 9 months ago
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flatpicker1234 9 months ago
God told Adam if he ate that fruit he would die the very same day. (You say this was a lie ?) Could it be that you just don't understand how he died? The world was perfect then. Adam and Eve would have lived forever. Adam died spiritually that day. I see no lie.
flatpicker1234 1 year ago
@flatpicker1234 you realise even chatolic chucrh now admits adam and eve are just simbolical explanation as a begining of civilaziton
LCHC1 1 year ago
"Nevertheless, in order to communicate with believers, I will speak of your God."
LOL, the Bible assumes God at the outset. Romans 1 : 19-20 points outside the Bible to the omnipotent being that is the source of all natural law.
This is why you can't bring your atheism into a Biblical argument. Put the Bible aside for a moment and begin with God. Adam was the only person with true free will.
Also, you're arguing from a stolen moral standard; thus begging the question.
Paulomycin 1 year ago
You criticize the Bible but do not understand it at all. God told Adam he would die the day he ate of the Tree cause he would no longer live forever. He lived to be 950 or so and died. A day for God is as 1000yrs. He did not lie, You misunderstood. You do not Know God are simply closed minded to what the Bible actually teaches.
ahmalala 1 year ago
@ahmalala You address one point here, and ignore all the others. If you want to be taken seriously when you say "you misunderstand/ do not know x, y, or z" you'll need to address ALL the points made. Do you have an answer for the idea of a God punishing an endless line of descendents for a (possibly symbolic) "sin" committed thousands of years ago? Do you have an answer for the idea of infinite torture for finite crimes? Do you have an answer for a lack of evidence supporting biblical creation?
WesternEstatesHOA 1 year ago
@WesternEstatesHOA Are you kidding? This guy in the Video doesnt even appear to know basics lol We are Punished for our own sins, Jesus Died to atonement for OUR sins. All we inherited from Adam was a sin nature. Even if u understand the Story as symbolic of our evolutionary psycholocgical development, it still applies.
ahmalala 1 year ago
@ahmalala Well, that's an answer (sort of) to one point, how about the rest?
WesternEstatesHOA 1 year ago
@WesternEstatesHOA His arguments regarding Jesus' sacrifice and the rest are the most narrow possible and he does it unpurpose for his agenda, makes my blood boil. I know he must be smarter than that. Jesus' died of his own free will, nobody took his life from him but he layed it down and took it back up
ahmalala 1 year ago
@ahmalala That wasn't the point in the video at all. EdwardTarte was questioning why an omnipotent God saw fit to send His son into the world to be tortured and murdered in order to redeem sin, when (due to His omnipotence) he could have done it perfectly well without a human sacrifice.
Agenda? What agenda would that be?
WesternEstatesHOA 1 year ago
@WesternEstatesHOA He has an agenda to make others believe as he does. Hes a pround atheist. If he where just an agnostic with some doubts i would understand, but he Just wants to willfully take the most narrow interpretations and put it in the worst light possible.
God is perfect and jesus was a perfect sacrifice for all. There has to be payment for sin cause God is perfectly just. All sin must be payed for.
ahmalala 1 year ago
Atheists say they are realists, what is real and what is fake? Why are you alive today? Why am i even asking this question? Who am I? What is out there? what is in there? what is life? what started life? From the life that makes suns burst, to the life that makes planets cold. How big is the universe? no How big is an atom? how small is the universe? Who are you? What do you believe? reality is far from what you think. Is life all but like a dream? and how soon will you forget
EdyPegasus 1 year ago
i wish he was my grandpa! he's so cute. i want to buy him a christmas present lol... keep up the awesome videos!
AtheistAddiction 1 year ago 2
While I do appreciate the insight, I noticed clear ignorance on your part, Mr. Tarte, in this analysis. In now way should ignorance be confused with stupidity, but a thinker such as yourself should know very well that a single flaw in an argument destroys every argument based upon the incorrect assumption or detail. Nowhere does God say Adam would die the same day. proving your ignorance. The fruit gave knowledge of sin. It was only their sin, not a sentence for humanity. Our sin is our sin.
risinwriter 1 year ago
Jesus' death is modeled to mimic the methods of sacrifice that was used thousands of years prior to his death for the same purpose, asking for forgiveness. Before one says that the sacrifices were wrong, the animals would be killed anyway and were more respectful than game hunting done today. The ones who took part in the death did what was expected, not wanted. What was wanted was for there to be no need for it. I have run out of room and don't know my comment limit, so feel free to contact me.
risinwriter 1 year ago
Thank you, Mr. Tarte, for this video. I will mirror it.
I recently arrived at a similar conclusion regarding the Bible god's inability to forgive Adam and Eve then and there.
I ask for your help as a fellow Atheist who knows theology.
A pastor once told me "God is infinitely loving, infinitely just, and infinitely merciful." That would mean God could not forgive sin without punishing someone.
I agree - not very loving.
But what say you to this God's "justice"?
Thank you.
amoxtlacatl 1 year ago
@amoxtlacatl, if your pastor's god is the god of the Bible, sit down with him and watch my videos on Hell, Hidden God, and/or Dilemma. Then confront him with the assertion that his God, far from being infinitely just, is infinitely cruel.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte
Yes, his god is the Bible god.
So was mine - until I began using my mind.
Was tough, though - conditioning is hard to break.
In fact, my question was aimed at breaking a few of my lingering shreds of conditioning.
Oh, yes. The Bible god is horribly cruel and disgusting.
That one realization keeps me from Christianity - that and the fact that people will attempt to justify their god's every deed "because it is a plan".
I was that deluded once. NO MORE.
amoxtlacatl 1 year ago
Ed: [far from being infinitely just, is infinitely cruel.]
Again, according to what reliable standard of cruelty? From an atheist POV, you don't have any.
Adam could have written down the entire moral law required of him on one hand. But then you're disingenuous about an extant God to begin with (see previous comment).
Paulomycin 1 year ago
Original Sin is a monstrous absurdity. And foisting this concept upon children is tantamount to child abuse. This is one of the easiest logical arguments to use to counter Christian theology, If one believes that the Earth is older than 6000 years, then the creation story is not true, along with Original Sin. If there is no Original Sin, then there is no need for redemption.
Thank you, Edward.
LoydBonifide 1 year ago
Religions = opium.
Muuzip99 1 year ago
Why am i guilty for something I never did, I never asked to be born and now I'm guilty for it? Now, God created everything in the universe, but he has to die to save us from a rule he himself made? I see it more noble in the viking mythology where the gods are fighting to save humanity from an evil they cant prevent.
davcar23 1 year ago
Come now, tell us what you REALLY feel about it! :)
I am enjoying your videos very much Catholicism was my first religion, and so it was the first one I left in my search for the truth, eventually finding myself an Atheist.
ZenMondo 1 year ago
im just trying to relate to what u said about the forbidden fruit about God and how he made it in to a HUGE Deal well when a parent says dont do something and the kid does it the parent sometimes can turn it in a big deal is disrespecting their authority so in a way pissing them off
btw im atheist
btw Morals are things rules/guidelines you make for your self things u think are right and wrong
mayb for him its wasnt moraly wrong ur talking as if his this hate full guy
SkiliumProductions 1 year ago
@SkiliumProductions
Dear Fellow Atheist:
When your child ever so slightly disobeys you, do you curse your child and its children and it's children's children for ever?
I take it you don't.
Yet the Bible god does.
Do you really want to be compared to such an unsavory character?
The Bible god is indeed a very hateful guy.
Please read the Bible for evidence.
amoxtlacatl 1 year ago
I love your matter-of-fact blunt presentation. It's perfect for expressing the complete stupidity of these beliefs. The whole Adam and Eve original sin concept was one of the main things that got me questioning my faith which lead me to my disbelief. It's amazing and somewhat disturbing when I ask my Catholic friends about this stuff that they find nothing strange, ridiculous, or objectionable about it.
dumhole327 1 year ago
The whole "died for our sins" thing has not and cannot possibly be clarified by any Christian. So as well as subscribing to you i have taken the liberty of responding with my video "ONE question for Christians" to highlight what a throwaway statement it really is. It is a precis of a much earlier video i did but using the characters of Father Ted. If you have never seen Father Ted (an Irish comedy) then you should check it out because as an ex Catholic Priest it may bring a smile to your face.
pilgrimpater 1 year ago
i wanted to post a message, but it did not succeed, so i first try this 'test' one
askruisje 1 year ago
I suggest you critics listen to this guy and you decide for yourself. I was born Christian,converted to islam while in theology school. I see the same man made propaganda going on in Islam and now I'm studying Athiesm. Arab muslims murdering african muslims. European christians killing african christians. It is those who believe in God whio are doing the most killing on the world scene rigth now. Jesus ain't coming back.
Hamd727 1 year ago
Original is the most childish concept in christianity.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Adam did die the day he ate the fruit. He died a spiritual seperation from God, which is considered death to God. The Word of God says we are all dead in our sins untill we are forgiven by sdalvation, at which time we live.
NephilimFree 1 year ago
@NephilimFree, there is no evidence that Adam even existed. There is no evidence that the Bible was written by anyone other than primitive men. There is no evidence that your God exists. There is no evidence that there is such a thing as being 'dead in sins,' to be 'forgiven by salvation.' There is overwhelming evidence that you are deluded and basing your life on superstition and fantasy.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 2
@edwardtarte Mitochondrial Eve was a discovery made by evolutionists. It's genetic verification that all of man came from a single woman. The mutation rate in man points to humanity being only about 6,000 yrs old. You need to open your mind and get outside of your little box. There's a world of knowledge out there you lack.
NephilimFree 1 year ago
@NephilimFree, I am sending you a link to an essay about the approximately 200,000-year-old Mitrochondrial Eve that asserts that you 'are talking crap' and backs up that assertion with evidence.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 2
@edwardtarte I really like that comment you made about the bible being writtne by primitive man. Name another book in the world that contains that much history and prophecy and intricate detail and you say it was written by primitive man. What a comment. It really shows how much you really know to think that primitive man wrote the bible. I will not respond it's really not worth my time anymore. I am sure will just delete the comment anyways.
flatpicker1234 1 year ago
@NephilimFree, half a century ago, for about nine years, as a seminarian and then a priest, my mind was closed, poisoned by religion. Then my mind gradually opened and I have been an open-minded person ever since. It is not a worthwhile comment for you to make telling me that I need to 'open my mind and get outside of my little box'.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@NephilimFree : Hello man did you smile yet ? Or does your religion prevent you from smiling ?
lizazoon 1 year ago
It would be impossible for man to have written the Bible. It's supernatural properties span it's books and could not be contrived by humans.
NephilimFree 1 year ago
@NephilimFree "It would be impossible for man to have written the Bible. It's supernatural properties span it's books and could not be contrived by humans."
What?
yermomsboxx 1 year ago
@yermomsboxx, if you are implying that Neph's comment about the Bible is extremely senseless and without merit, I certainly agree with you. I have sent him my video on the Bible, but I am not optimistic that that's anything more than an exercise in futility.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 4
@edwardtarte
Actually, I was implying that it was incoherent gibberish, but I agree with you as well.
yermomsboxx 1 year ago
@NephilimFree :--and could not be contrived by humans.-- Like this yuou mean ?Judges 3:19-25 ESV
And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon, thank you. There are, as I am sure you realize, hundreds of other Biblical quotations that show the utter stupidity of NephilimFree's assertion that the Bible was clearly written not by men but by a supernatural being. That is the thrust of my video Bible--Word of God.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte I ask one thing Mr.tarte. What happens to that inner conciousness of human being after death. Everyone wants to believe that we the superiour animals on earth(humans) want to believe in some type of afterlife.. what satisfies that curiosity, desire to believe in an afterlife ???? Thanks for your videos.
Hamd727 1 year ago
@Hamd727, I value truth above desire, and I find no credible evidence for any life or consciousness after death. Watch my video 'Life and Death'.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
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The evidence from science is excellent evidence for naturalism and hence atheism. All the evidence we have supports naturalism.
When you provide evidence for your magic man... but you now you even refuse.
But remember you do believe in naturalism, it is not me you are trying to convince, it is yourself, that is why you actively pursue something you insist does not exist.
dbes02 1 year ago
@aaugoaa, you can be confused about what truth is. Doesn't mean you can drag others into your confusion.
dbes02 1 year ago
@dbes02 so you think you are not confused about truth..is that truth?
or ego...any way believe what you want...it's your God given right..
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa, who are you to say I'm confused?
No evidence for any god.
Rights are invented by humans.
dbes02 1 year ago
@aaugoaa the fact that the tree of good and evil was always in the garden...which is symbolic of man and woman always being capable of both good and evil...they were not ignorant of it like many think, they were told just not to eat of it...to eat is to act on that knowledge.
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa, according to your own argument, Jesus was born of a virgin. Seems you contradict yourself. You can say story X is not meant to be taken literally, and by your own rules someone else can say it is. It's all subjective, and based on experience, right?.
edwardtarte is right - your comments make no sense.
dbes02 1 year ago
@dbes02 i never said the story "Jesus was born of a virgin" was to be taken literally...i said that do people really think Jesus was born of a virgin...No..he wasn't it's symbolism...thats what i said. you didn't read my comment properly.
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa, I know what you said. And based on your own argument subjective experience and subjective views are all correct You say something is symbolism, others say it is literal. You didn't read my comment properly.
dbes02 1 year ago
@dbes02 and like i told you...every thing you think is subjective..however mythology is a fact in spiritual text...it's how the ancients had written, but it's up to people what they believe...that's what makes us all unique...subjective thinking.
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa however how one chooses to interpret that mythology is subjective...but that should at least tell people that it's not to be taken literally..also i learned the meaning of ancient symbols, which helped me to interpret the text.
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa, yes, I know what you said, and by your own argument (which you repeat) is it's up to people what they believe. So people believe that Jesus was born from a virgin.
First you say everything is subjective, but then you claim something "doesn't make sense". Are you know saying it's objective? You're not making sense.
dbes02 1 year ago
@dbes02 yes some read the bible literally, or part literal part symbolism, some think Jesus was actually born of a virgin, they choose to believe that, i choose not to, because i have learned mythology, and think that is more likely to be the truth, because it makes more sense to me, truth is suppose to make sense, all my point was to Edward Tarte was did he consider that, or does he even know about symbolism, and there is other ways to read the text.
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa i know full well that fundalmentalists of religion think i'm wrong, the shame is that because most people bow to the masses, other people also believe the text is suppose to be read literally, yes it's all subjective. the truth is in there somewhere, but what people choose to think that truth is, is whats subjective.
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@dbes02 I'm not saying there is never any truth, I'm saying how people see truth is what is subjective..even in science...if a scientists is paid or given a grant to research a certain agenda, that's all he will look for, he won't look at all the angles because he is being paid for a certain agenda, if he told to look for evolution by random events that's all he will look for. a design scientists will just look for design etc
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@dbes02 this is the original comment i made...
aaugoaa @aaugoaa i mean
virgin birth...people really think Jesus was born of
a virgin...does that make sense...NO...so if people cared enough,
they would go and learn what
symbolism and mythology is? in spiritual text. 1 day ago .
aaugoaa 1 year ago
What you said from section 4:17 - 5:29, made me bust a gut Laughing.
If someone didn't know the Biblical faith and heard that story - they would think it was a comedy script.
Seriously no disrespect intended.
I know you are very serious with your videos,
but that was set up and delivered so perfectly.
Yes I agree, It is completely Bat Guano.
AfterFauve001 1 year ago 2
Mr tart you use to be a teacher, are you serious about reading Adam and eve literally? do you believe that is how it was meant to be read?
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa,I said clearly near the beginning that I do not accept the Bible as a reasonable foundation for religious belief nor as reliable history. Nevertheless, in order to communicate with believers, I said the things that follow. Therefore your comment makes no sense to me.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte maybe you didn't understand my question.
when you read the bible or any spiritual text, do you read it literally, or do you see any of it as symbolic, i would be surprised if you as a teacher read spiritual text as literal, i would have thought a teacher would have been more cultured and deeper thinking.
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa, in order to communicate with the majority of Christians, who take the Adam and Eve account literally, I have to speak the way I do in this video.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte yes fair enough but do you believe it was meant to be read literally?
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa you tell others not to take it literally, and yet your a creationist and use the literal words in that book writtin by man 2000 years ago as your weapon against evolution and the world wide scientifc community?! hypocrite! you are so lost... this very same scientific community who gave you the computer your typing on to disrespect them?! wow...
aARIESsSs 1 year ago
@aARIESsSs no i don't take it literally aries, every thing is a creation of some sort, your just to afraid to admit because you think it means there must be a God,
no i don't use God for evidence against evolution, that's atheist tool for evidence for evolution, your confused aries.don't confuse evolution with technology aries...crikey your so lame... NOW STOP STALKING ME.
aaugoaa 1 year ago
@aaugoaa aaugoaa you are one pathetic lady, everything is a creation of some sort? oh yeah? so where did they come from? are you saying nothing came from something? nothing was created EVER, just because you do not understand the basics of chemistry and biology does not mean you are justified in running your mouth, it means you ignorant by choice, theres a difference between claiming "spirituality" and stupidity.
aARIESsSs 1 year ago
@aaugoaa correct> (something from nothing)
aARIESsSs 1 year ago