LOL wow america has really become a fucking ignorant and disgusting nation, Im not a liberal or lib however elegantly you wanna put it, im not part of a union never have been. Just because you use all Caps in your response doesn't make your argument right, you seriously need to calm down, take some prozac, commit yourself, and I think you will be in a much happier place. People like you that suppresses their anger for so long isnt good, I bet you will be the next american shooting up their work
This is the problem, some of us don't think that we need others! Until we face the reality that each one needs one, we will continue to be doomed! The Bible doesn't teach us to turn our backs on our neighbors, and yet reading some of these comments ....I wonder how many are truly christians?
last comment i agrree, when it comes to invading other countries and waging war theres suddenly massive loads of money to be printed, the debt of that is dumped on the citizens middel-class and poor. when it comes to poverty and hunger, not even the black man president of america who was picked on "change" picks up the phone.
obama till now has only been about wallstreet and wars and debt ceilings. nothing more.
THESE 2 SOCIALIST BASTARDS DON'T FOOL ME FOR A SECOND !.. WHAT THEY ARE SPEAKING OF ARE WELFARE RECIPIENTS.. THEY ARE STILL PUSHING FOR 40 ACRES AND A MULE PROMISED TO EVERY X- SLAVE AFTER THE CIVIL WAR..THEY WANT TO TAKE WORKING AMERICANS MONEY AND GIVE IT TO A BUNCH OF BLACK WOMEN ON WELFARE,WHO HAVE 9 CHILDREN( CHILDREN ='s A PAY RAISE )& DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHO THE FATHER IS TO A SINGLE CHILD. THEY WANT TO ENABLE THIS WORTHLESS,ENTITLED LIFE STYLE AND SUBSIDIZE IT FROM PEOPLE THAT WILL WORK !
Hey cuntstain. You're taking up space on the planet that could be better used to store vates of diseased diarrhoea.
That's right. Your existence has less value than even a vat of diseased diarrhoea.
You are a waste of space. You should ahve been aborted. You parents should be embarrassed and ashamed for creating you.
You're a disgusting, revolting creature with no empathy. As such, you're an enemy of humankind. Now fuck off back to your trailer, you filthy, bigoted, leech.
@geffel LMAO@YOU.. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE ME CONFUSED WITH SOMEONE THAT GIVES A BIG GREAZY SHIT WHAT A BAT SHIT CRAZY LIBERAL THINKS ABOUT A GOD DAMNED THING ...YOU SUCK ALI-BAMA AND THE REST OF THESE LIBERAL ,WORTHLESS IDIOTS DICKS FOR A DOLLAR BILL.....ME..I'LL PASS I WILL MAKE MY OWN LIVING...AND TRY TO HOLD ONTO IT IN SPITE OF THESE WORTHLESS ENTITLEMENT MINDED LIBERAL SHIT STAINS TRYING TO TAKE IT FROM ME TO GIVE IT TO SOME WORTHLESS WELFARE BASTARD LIKE YOU .
@geffel YEAH,, AND THIS "NO SPACE TAKING" CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN,,ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS,, ARE ABOUT YOU HAND YOU YOUR ASS IN A SACK LIB.."THAT" YOU CAN COUNT ON...SO WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU NEEDY WELFARE LIB COCKSUCKERS...HUH SHIT STAIN??
@TheRevolutionCanada ...LET ME GUESS... YOU'RE A NEEDY, LITTLE, LIB , MINORITY UNION MEMBER TOO DAMNED STUPID TO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF SUCKIN ON THAT GOVERNMENT AND UNION TIT ?! YOU NEEDY LIB SHIT STAINS ARE DROPPING LIKE FLIES,,KINDA MAKES YOU SCARE DOESN'T IT LIB?!..WELL IT SHOULD...YOUR SHIT IS HEADED SOUTH FASTER THAN SHIT THREW A GOOSE LMAO@ YOU NEEDY IDIOTS..YOU SONS OF BITCHES WONT LAST A YEAR ONCE WE KICK YOU OFF THAT GOVERNMENT AND UNION TIT !
@No1Rides4Free LOL wow america has really become a fucking ignorant and disgusting nation, Im not a liberal or lib however elegantly you wanna put it, im not part of a union never have been. Just because you use all Caps in your response doesn't make your argument right, you seriously need to calm down, take some prozac, commit yourself, and I think you will be in a much happier place. People like you that suppresses their anger for so long isnt good
Lets eliminate all social programs and let the poor fend for themselves. They will either die or find a way to survive....of course there are not enough jobs for them all so I wonder what will happen....I hope none of you live near any poor ppl when we eliminate all these programs and I hope none of your family are poor or live near poor. I'll give you a hint they will be thrown in jail where we will pay $40,000 or more a year for each one instead of the $8000 a year they get in welfare lol.
every facet of society allows the poor to be manipulated, abused, and debilitated by their "help" through the welfare system..society is extremely perverse, including the poor
all you people are ignorant and uneducated..just because the welfare system is flawed and allows itself to be manipulated doesn't mean that everyone receiving it is doing so. Car insurance, medical insurance(both mandated by law, the latter not until 2013) electric bills and rent. NECESSITIES. You're only given "allowances" it's simply a portion of what amount the applicant ACTUALLY pays. So the gov monitors your budget and gives you some food stamps that are barely a help. the poor are so lucky
@treysparker They understand that tax cuts don't create jobs. the best way to create jobs is the government making infrastructure projects and creating things we need. We did it during FDR presidency and he put pressure on the rich and the rich actually didn't suffer that much and actually the middle class helped to sustain the rich's wealth. Problem is no one on Washington wants to do what they need to do to get the job done.
The poor have it very well of. My best friend is on welfare, doesnt work, and frankly he doesnt have to, he makes more than enough from the government.
@treysparker Your best friend sounds lucky! I guess you would be better off if you got fired then right? Doesn't that make you pretty dumb for not getting fired or quitting your job asap? If the poor or so well off its very easy to join their ranks so why isn't everyone rushing to get rid of their income?
"We ruined the economy and increased our own wealth in the process, shrunk the middle class, expanded the poor... people are angry. What do we do? ... I KNOW, we do what we always do, we blame the people who had the least to do with any of it... BLAME THE POOR!"
wow...they basically prove the point that the poor are being demonized by saying basically saying the president represents everyone but he doesn't. He doesn't represent the poor for they aren't represented anymore.
It must have been Michelle Bachmann or the other dumbass Sarah Palin who wrote that letter i.e. typical Republican trash, who are out of touch with reality.
You don't have a Congressman a senator or police department because they all belong to the rich elite police puts our young men and women in jail to support the prison industrial Corporation they use our armies to plunder the world we haven't fought for freedom since World War II we only have mercenaries now that's why no one is concerned about dead soldiers the rich do not care about young men they will kill them for profit
That's why I suggest everyone write-in their own names, because at least that way, their views will match closest to that of the candidate for whom they're voting. The voter will never agree fully with any other candidate.
The biggest leaches on society are the rich. They steal from working people through the wage system and then they steal from them again through the tax system. Meanwhile they destroy the environment with their greed and cause untold death and suffering throughout the world with their for-profit wars (at your expense) and their neo-colonial economic policies.
There are only 2 options for the poor and declining middle class:
starve/go homeless,
or take a completely USELESS WORTHLESS government "job" - e.g. the DEA or the NSA - get paid BIG welfare - to either do something that wastes money and energy at best or terrorizes and kidnaps (imprison) people for no good reason (DEA, marijuana) at worst.
@mphello I know, because one of my close relatives had to make that terrible choice, and got a job at one of these INSANELY OBSCENELY over-funded agencies of the USA. He HATES his job, knows it is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS to society, but that is his ONLY choice to survive, because the USA gov't and fucked-up politicians cave into bankers, destroy all USEFUL CRITICAL work (spay and neuter cats and dogs, fight climate change, research development manufacturing in nanotech), and make all jobs...
corp. media sucks, they are defending the poor cause they are poor and the poor have no voice in the political atmosphere. the rich does. they are called lobbyist. fight against stupity call them out on it. just reading a script isnt journalism, and having half a brain helps.
dont forget poor people lack in education and the shortage of money makes them greedy for every cent.
some dont know how to file taxes, most have it taken out of their bank accounts. Now when you take 5K from a poor person which is used on other bills and food, it still makes it harder for them to clime up the class ladder thus keeping the cycle in a loop..
BLAME THE SYSTEM, NOT THE POOR PEOPLE
their doing a good job not paying the irs, half the tax money goes towards the war.
The poor collect handouts while the rich devour the crops of the middle class. In other words, the only people who suffer are the middle class. I won't say fuck the poor, but I can say to fuck a segment of the rich class.
I raise my children on welfare Thank God It was there for a safety Net for Us or we would be in the streets and on drugs and whatever else to survive.Some people have misused it and they call them welfare Queens.But not all people on welfare are frauds.
People NEED to realize that 90% of the mega-rich (those with a net worth exceeding $100 million dollars) in the U.S. have amassed their ridiculous fortunes, almost exclusively via illegal means; whether it’s insider-trading, anti-trust actions, racketeering, market manipulation, or through any of the other countless FRAUDULANT schemes they’ve perfected! But, how can this be you ask? Simple, they own the government regulatory agencies, most political figures, & all M.S. Media outlets. Got it?!
Federal income tax is only one of the many we pay. we also pay...blah blah blah of which our share is far greater than wealthy people pay proportional to their income.
Tax dodgers are not those who take advantage of the tax code, only the ones who avoid it altogether with off shore accounts and slick lawyers.
So, Bro, if you want to continue your hollow arguments defending those who are fucking us all(including you) best of luck.I've wasted too much time on your ilk.
THEY'RE FUCKING POOR! God for Cornell West and Tavis Smiley for slapping this corporate shill around. I cannot believe how biased she is. I suppose that's what corporate media calls 'balance'.
blame the poor? how rediculous, the poor did not invent welfare. Welfare was invented by our government to keep blacks out of the middle class. Retierd government workers collect more money in benifits when combined, than all the citizen programs combined. and now private companys are getting benifits from the government to the tune of trillions in bailouts after they took trillions and drove their companys broke.
Kill that slut-bitch. Rape her to death. That would be hilarious.
And, if you don't like this suggestion, well I don't know what you're complaining about. She never did a day of work in her life. She just lives off corporate handouts.
This woman is a biased shithead. Why does she cite some report from the Heritage Foundation? Why not a report from the World Workers Party?
What about the rich? Why do THEY do nothing but complain and cry if they can't get another billion? And, they STOLE their money from the taxpayer in the FIRST PLACE in the form of free corporate-welfare handouts, dumb cunt bitch!
@awake4life As long as you are logically consistent with what you said, and in no way condemn an individual or refuse to listen to them just because they are a "criminal" or "terrorist" or "child molestor". What matters is the sum total of good and bad each individual does or TRIES to do, in spite of opposition.
All else is worthless bullshit, and I would annihilate all culture and all life on earth if that's what it took to make it logically consistent. Hope that won't be necessary.
Thanks for your input..look at this news woman - she is so well versed at slamming the poor- smug/arrogant/mean/deep on a shallow ideal - and she will say- Oh well I'm playing the devils advocate, bull!
But what they seem not to take into account is that no REAL CUTS were made!! 1 trillion dollars over 10 years?! This congress won't even be around to enforce it. It's a charade.
"The poor get dumped on, the poor get piled on, the poor get demonized..." The same can be said for the rich. Like the poor, many who are rich are classed as greedy and lazy. Many of the wealthy in the US are self-made. And self-made from starting a business: not from the dubious financial markets. Class warfare is nonsense. But they are right: the poor will be big losers in this deal. The biggest losers? The middle-class. The greatest source of tax revenue. Play on Nero. Play on.
Fuck you, you house slave. The rich have everything better, by default you idiot. And their share of GDP and wealth has grown while their tax burden has fallen for more than 30 years, with only the Clinton years as a reprieve.
It's really simple, stupid. They have the luxury of needing and often desiring to consume a much smaller percentage of their income and wealth than the poor. Hence, the subjective value of each dollar is less. There's no reason not to tax the wealthy more.
@AntiSchiff You have a lot of bitch in you Instead of having an adult exchange you stamp your feet like a spoiled undisciplined child as if it makes for a stronger argument You didn't address 1 thing I posted Not 1 If I am seen as a slave by one of your logic that's a label I can live with Now go to the mailbox and get your check I have work to do I won't be responding to you again If it wasn't for the middle-class and rich you wouldn't have anyone for the IRS to steal money from on your behalf
The majority of people are too stupid to do mathematical modelling. They don't get the fact the utility function,
v(x), for x-dollars, need NOT be linear in x. v(1) could be enormous: your last dollar, which you'd have to spend on food or a drink of water. Since it is reasonable to asume that v is monotonic nondecreasing function of x, we can't have v(1) = 10^9 and v(10^9) = 10^9 with v(x)<10^9 for some x somewhere in between.
the poverty pimps tried to go to detroit,MI today for their scam called "the poverty tour" and ran into a surprised group of President Obama supporters that was hip to their scam. Thease two are just on a self-serving,self-promotion tour to not only undermine the black community,but try to undermine President Obama as well. also some of west & smiley's sponsors are ALEC. Yes anti-progressive everything. So they're to with "the corporate plutocrats,& the wall street oligarchs". Silly Rabbits!!
All "poor" people have the choice to go to college for free or join the military and better themselves. What do poor people usually choose? They choose the "ENTITLEMENTS," over college and military service.
@ForceOfWizardry Uh, no...the poor don't usually HAVE the choice to go to college...to do that, you have to be able to pay the ever-increasing tuition.
And a lot of them do join the military, but it usually doesn't "better" them worth a damn.
Almost nobody CHOOSES to be on welfare. The vast majority of the jobless would work if there was work where they are-and most can't afford to travel the country looking for work.
Well i'm poor, and i can tell you most poor people are not worth a fuck. They have kids they can't take care of and just get free government money. Society has been engineered to keep poor people down but most don't even try, this subject is a lot more complex than what peoples opinions would have you believe.
I'm saddened to see working class white folks having their fear an bigotries exploited by the elite.
The hateful elitist propaganda of the Reagan era of "welfare queens" and similar b.s. is NOT what is draining America dry.
Quit being tools white people! You have INFINITELY more in common with poor and working class people of color that you do with the rich! You need to do the one revolutionary thing that has yet to happen in America - for workers of ALL COLORS TO UNITE!
@drunkenboxer1985 government injecting capital into neglected segments of the population in order to have a functioning and prosperous society sounds plenty logical to me....
The truth is that the legacy of history weighs down upon the black community in a disproportionate way.
HOWEVER - the truth is that most attempts at present to "racialize" poverty are really divide-and-conquer tactics of elites against the poor and working class of ALL COLORS.
So while I think you're misguided in perceiving some kind of mass "racism" against white people in America - I do agree that the "colorizing" of poverty at this point is misguided and divisive.
NO ONE can become a "millionaire" relative to the majority of the population (let alone a billionaire) through the exercise of honest labor.
Such incomes are invariably the consequence of USURIOUS economic transactions - interest lending, rents, speculation, gambling, and the siphoning of the surplus labor value of workers one pays less than their economic out-put. That's not even counting the trust fund brats and other nepotists, insiders, and cronies.
@RemoveYourChains Not true Oh name tag wearer. There was a reason why the majority of the self made millionaires worked 16 hrs a day. They worked for it, unlike you lazy whining parasites. Ever wonder why Marx decided to write his manifesto WHILE HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN STARVED.... CAUSE THE FUCKER WAS TOO LAZY TO WORK like the majority of you communist losers
B) what about the person who breaks their back with two jobs? Or who ruins their health with their labors? I suppose they should be millionaires even moreso?
C) why do you consider "wearing a tag" and having to cordially serve @ssholes like you a put down? Is it because you look down on such workers?
@RemoveYourChains A) If I chose to give my children my assets who are you to say no?
B) Should have either studied more and not slacked off in school, or refused to do work that caused injury. We have safety nets to support those injured at work
C) Nope I do consider communist losers. People who whine about people having more, but refuse to work for it themselves. Maybe if you weren't so fucking lazy you would try to improve yourself
don't let these guys tell you what to think. they voted for obama once and they're going to vote for obama again. they are not in this for the poor. the only man who is in it for the poor is ron paul
@ReignbowSmite he did two interviews recently where he talked about job growth/the recession. you can see them here: watch?v=WQ9fvpO1eco&feature=share and here: watch?v=J7xns46kn5A&feature=share . we need a debt free currency, we need to stop corporatism, and we need to allow free markets. a country never has to go into debt because they have to power to issue it's own debt free money. but we let private banks loan us debt based money that we have to pay back with interest forcing us into debt.
@stonedmentx Yes but jobs are only a fraction of the problem. The longer people go with out work the more depressed, drug or alcohol abused, apathetic people become. There's also a serious education problem that contributes to poverty. Access to health (including mental health) care. Social programs cure poverty.
Will Ron Paul make Walmart pay a full time employee a living wage? Or will people have to continue to neglect their children to work 60-80 hours a week?
@ReignbowSmite yes poor people trend towards drugs that's why ron wants to end the war on drugs because he knows it's an illness not a crime. yes education and health care are problems but social programs don't cure poverty. before medicare, ss, medicade people got free health care all the time. doctors never turn down patients, even today. so jacking up the price of medicine and then forcing everyone to buy insurance doesn't exactly help poor people.
@stonedmentx "end the war on drugs" I'm all for it! But you'll need social programs to help people who are addicted. You didn't specify "legalize" or "regulate" drugs, which one did you mean?
I disagree with you on healthcare because it's already been proven that a socialized system is more preventative, efficient, and affordable.I don't believe in forcing people to pay to a private insurance company.
"social programs don't cure poverty." Social programs are needed to help children in poverty.
@ReignbowSmite just get the government to end the war on drugs then let states decide whether or not they want to legalize them and tax them. you don't have to have a social program just to help people with addictions. people have to teach themselves how to behave- the goverment doesn't need to intervene and tell you what to think and where to get help. you say you dont want to force people to pay for insurance... but isn't that what the social program would have be?
@stonedmentx Ok, I agree with the stance on drugs. " people have to teach themselves how to behave" I would agree with that if the base population wasn't already so in despair. Much more generational poverty and suffering will occur unless you help people who ask for help, especially people who have behavior problems due to abuse or mental illness. I would force people to pool into a public insurance fund who's records were fully available to every tax paying citizen.
@ReignbowSmite it's ok to help people who ask for help i just draw the line when i have to pay for someone else not being responsible. i'll admit i had a drinking problem for a while but i'm currently doing a lot better. i helped myself though selfcontrol. i acknowledge that some people have more serious problems than i had but that doesn't justify another tax on someone who is being responsible. there are other ways of helping addicts besides forcing another tax
@stonedmentx It's great that you were able to help your self, congrats! Let's give you another example (this isn't an appeal to emotion because I despise this person, but it comes from my experience). My mother had been a severe alcoholic for years. she not only denied it but hid it as well. She was beginning to jaundice before the company she worked for went bankrupt and lost coverage. By this time she hit rock bottom and needed to be admitted to go through withdrawl. She was in a coma. (cont)
@ReignbowSmite Most people who have addictions hide them out of shame, and by the time they admit that they need help.. they've usually lost everything. How do we help these people? I know that you care about the struggle of average people. If wages were as high as welfare, and offered the same benefits, there would be an incentive to get off it. Welfare recipients have gone up because wages stagnated and benefits disappeared.
@ReignbowSmite but you don't have to make a new tax just to help these people. there are churches, good people, charity programs. but if people don't want to get help then there isn't much to do and you have to let them learn the hard way- that's the incentive to stop. we can't afford welfarism anymore anyway with all the wars and wreckless spending. all the other candidates just want to continue spending... how does that help? it just keeps it our problems going.
@stonedmentx I would also force tax on the drugs, to pay for health and education programs, and tax large corporations to lower the average tax payer's costs. Eventually you can wean a population off of social programs, but the key is to make health and education of most importance. (imo)
@ReignbowSmite there you go again forcing stuff. that's where we disagree. i agree that a tax on, for example, marijuana, would reap huge revenue i think taxing it is unjust. if people are using marijuana for medicine then why not just leave it untaxed and let the people get that revenue directly? i don't want the governement taking money away from me and then telling me to trust that they will do something better with that money than what i could have done myself.
@stonedmentx I see it as an obligation by all citizens for the privileged of participating in a community. You would like to change the way that community is run. When someone procreates, they are forcing a life to exist... regardless of whether that life will suffer. Should we stop people from forcing new lives into this world? It's your opinion that taxing is theft. Society needs to be fixed from the bottom up. If you just drop people you problems will increase exponentially.
@ReignbowSmite oh please i'm not suggesting that we stop people from procreating i'm just saying that the government doesn't need to dictate little details in our life that people should be taking care of themselves. if people's problems will increase just because you give them more freedom then they should seriously reflect on life. we can't afford the government attempting to keep us in line. we have to be responsible and the people who aren't must be allowed to fail.
@ReignbowSmite ron won't make force any corporations to do anything like that because that would get in the way of free markets. you either have free markets or corporatism, but not both. free markets allow people to choose not to work for walmart which in return forces walmart to go out of business due to lack of employees. i know a lot of small businesses that would love to see walmart go out of business any way possible.
@stonedmentx wouldn't you have corporatism in a free market?What's to stop one company from buying out all the others? I support small businesses, and I would like to see a witch hunt on walmarts. Wouldn't you encourage that growth by increasing corporate taxes but keep them low for small/medium business owners? The taxes from multinationals can help fund social programs and health care, driving down an individual's cost.
@ReignbowSmite first off, thanks for presenting your points in a intelligent manner- i appreciate that. what would stop that from happening are the people who own the companies. if a company allowed itself to get bought out by a bigger corporation that company is just as bad as the corporation. small businesses have to teach themselves not to sell out. increasing taxes on big corporations doesnt work well because that makes them look for ways to outsource rather than hire in the US
@stonedmentx You're welcome... haha I was just going to thank you for your patience.
"if a company allowed itself to get bought out by a bigger corporation that company is just as bad as the corporation." Agreed =D "small businesses have to teach themselves not to sell out." we know that no one will do that. Everyone sells out for the right price, that's just human nature. Dan Ariely has an excellent lecture on youtube about human rationality as it pertains to economics. (cont)
@ReignbowSmite I highly recommend it. Increasing taxes hasn't scared them off in the past, but wouldn't that be what you want to do if you want to encourage small business growth? Get rid of the assholes that keep taking over everything? I mean it's not like they'd stop selling products in America. They've already moved all the jobs.
@ReignbowSmite while i think it's true that a lot of people would sell out i think that in a free market most won't. people would have more say. in a free market, fractional reserve banking and fraud are illegal. that would make it impossible for big corporations to draw loans with unfair credit ratings and buy out the masses like how they do now. that makes mega corporations like monsanto scared to death. they scoff at talk of higher taxes because they know they won't pay them.
@ReignbowSmite you're right taxes don't run off corporations. i was mistaking taxes for regulations. regulations run off corporations. i don't mind talk of tax reform because the irs is obviously screwed up. there is obviously a problem if big corporations aren't paying any taxes and small businesses are paying a ton of taxes.
@stonedmentx I don;t stick to one political ideology. I like to take from here and there. I agree with some of the things he says, but the right not to be taxed, and tax is theft is just an opinion, and the potential effects of this in a recession will cause generations of death and suffering. It's irresponsible. A society needs to be groomed into independence. Tough love doesn't work from any standpoint.
@stonedmentx lol except I'm not wrong. He is a creatard. As such he ignores objective observations that he doesn't like. He's a creationist who also believes in the psychotic ramblings of a well known atheist.
Guess who heads 'The Heritage Foundation'? That's right Karl "turdblossom" Rove. Now guess who funds that foundation? No seriously guess it's unclear.
Our standards of poverty are much higher than most other countries. A poor person from Columbia or India would think he hit the lotto if he lived by the same standards that poor Americans live by.
@Dedhedted71 Wake the fuck up! The poor in developing countries are that way because of such things as modern industry and globalized capitalism. If you look at indigenous people who live away from modern industry and globalized capitalism, they are much healthier and long-living than the poor in developed countries. Also, American poor are much worse off than the poor in many developed countries.
@Dedhedted71 If I'm in mental poverty and I'm by far smarter than you, then it must suck to be you. I state the obvious facts and you run away wimpering because you are incapable of logical debate. Sad and pathetic.
@MarmaladeINFP Why would I bother to exchange anything worth while with an asshole who starts off his whole comment with an insult??? I don't waste my time debating trolls like you! If you would have come at me with intelligence & respect then maybe I would have taken the time to educate you on global economics & poverty. But since you are an obvious idiot I am not going to bother. And none of your stupid messgs will be read either so go back to watching WWE or whatever dunces like you watch.
@Dedhedted71 Troll means anyone who is more well informed than you, eh? Telling you to wake the fuck up wasn't an insult. It was a very strong suggestion. I still stand by that suggestion. What do you think you'd lose by waking up?
@mirandansa ...and that's fine as long as they make their money by selling products and services that people spend their own money on voluntarily. It's when they're in cahoots with government that the poor and middle class get screwed. The evil ingredient is always the state.
Smiley and West understand the evil of politicians when they shovel our money to bombmakers and banksters. Why do they trust the same creeps to formulate a central "plan" to eradicate poverty?
don't let these guys tell you what to think. they voted for obama once and they're going to vote for obama again. they are not in this for the poor. the only man who is in it for the poor is ron paul.
Welfare is a band-aid and not a cure. It's government programs like this that allow people who are barely able to take care of themselves, the ability to have kids, to get a little more money, to continue the cycle and even worse adding to it. People need to take care of people, through local churches, family, neighbors, community, etc. There is no accountabilty for people who receive welfare and therefore no reason to better oneself.
LOL wow america has really become a fucking ignorant and disgusting nation, Im not a liberal or lib however elegantly you wanna put it, im not part of a union never have been. Just because you use all Caps in your response doesn't make your argument right, you seriously need to calm down, take some prozac, commit yourself, and I think you will be in a much happier place. People like you that suppresses their anger for so long isnt good, I bet you will be the next american shooting up their work
TheRevolutionCanada 4 months ago
This is the problem, some of us don't think that we need others! Until we face the reality that each one needs one, we will continue to be doomed! The Bible doesn't teach us to turn our backs on our neighbors, and yet reading some of these comments ....I wonder how many are truly christians?
mskm13th 5 months ago
last comment i agrree, when it comes to invading other countries and waging war theres suddenly massive loads of money to be printed, the debt of that is dumped on the citizens middel-class and poor. when it comes to poverty and hunger, not even the black man president of america who was picked on "change" picks up the phone.
obama till now has only been about wallstreet and wars and debt ceilings. nothing more.
ChopShop1200 6 months ago
PIMPS PERIOD!!!!!
biggiejackson 6 months ago
Tavis is incapable ot telling a lie.
geffel 6 months ago
THESE 2 SOCIALIST BASTARDS DON'T FOOL ME FOR A SECOND !.. WHAT THEY ARE SPEAKING OF ARE WELFARE RECIPIENTS.. THEY ARE STILL PUSHING FOR 40 ACRES AND A MULE PROMISED TO EVERY X- SLAVE AFTER THE CIVIL WAR..THEY WANT TO TAKE WORKING AMERICANS MONEY AND GIVE IT TO A BUNCH OF BLACK WOMEN ON WELFARE,WHO HAVE 9 CHILDREN( CHILDREN ='s A PAY RAISE )& DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHO THE FATHER IS TO A SINGLE CHILD. THEY WANT TO ENABLE THIS WORTHLESS,ENTITLED LIFE STYLE AND SUBSIDIZE IT FROM PEOPLE THAT WILL WORK !
No1Rides4Free 6 months ago
@No1Rides4Free
Hey cuntstain. You're taking up space on the planet that could be better used to store vates of diseased diarrhoea.
That's right. Your existence has less value than even a vat of diseased diarrhoea.
You are a waste of space. You should ahve been aborted. You parents should be embarrassed and ashamed for creating you.
You're a disgusting, revolting creature with no empathy. As such, you're an enemy of humankind. Now fuck off back to your trailer, you filthy, bigoted, leech.
geffel 6 months ago
@geffel LMAO@YOU.. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE ME CONFUSED WITH SOMEONE THAT GIVES A BIG GREAZY SHIT WHAT A BAT SHIT CRAZY LIBERAL THINKS ABOUT A GOD DAMNED THING ...YOU SUCK ALI-BAMA AND THE REST OF THESE LIBERAL ,WORTHLESS IDIOTS DICKS FOR A DOLLAR BILL.....ME..I'LL PASS I WILL MAKE MY OWN LIVING...AND TRY TO HOLD ONTO IT IN SPITE OF THESE WORTHLESS ENTITLEMENT MINDED LIBERAL SHIT STAINS TRYING TO TAKE IT FROM ME TO GIVE IT TO SOME WORTHLESS WELFARE BASTARD LIKE YOU .
No1Rides4Free 6 months ago
@geffel YEAH,, AND THIS "NO SPACE TAKING" CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN,,ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS,, ARE ABOUT YOU HAND YOU YOUR ASS IN A SACK LIB.."THAT" YOU CAN COUNT ON...SO WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU NEEDY WELFARE LIB COCKSUCKERS...HUH SHIT STAIN??
No1Rides4Free 4 months ago
@No1Rides4Free Let me guess your a retarded tea-partier????
TheRevolutionCanada 4 months ago
@TheRevolutionCanada ...LET ME GUESS... YOU'RE A NEEDY, LITTLE, LIB , MINORITY UNION MEMBER TOO DAMNED STUPID TO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF SUCKIN ON THAT GOVERNMENT AND UNION TIT ?! YOU NEEDY LIB SHIT STAINS ARE DROPPING LIKE FLIES,,KINDA MAKES YOU SCARE DOESN'T IT LIB?!..WELL IT SHOULD...YOUR SHIT IS HEADED SOUTH FASTER THAN SHIT THREW A GOOSE LMAO@ YOU NEEDY IDIOTS..YOU SONS OF BITCHES WONT LAST A YEAR ONCE WE KICK YOU OFF THAT GOVERNMENT AND UNION TIT !
No1Rides4Free 4 months ago
@No1Rides4Free LOL wow america has really become a fucking ignorant and disgusting nation, Im not a liberal or lib however elegantly you wanna put it, im not part of a union never have been. Just because you use all Caps in your response doesn't make your argument right, you seriously need to calm down, take some prozac, commit yourself, and I think you will be in a much happier place. People like you that suppresses their anger for so long isnt good
TheRevolutionCanada 4 months ago
Lets eliminate all social programs and let the poor fend for themselves. They will either die or find a way to survive....of course there are not enough jobs for them all so I wonder what will happen....I hope none of you live near any poor ppl when we eliminate all these programs and I hope none of your family are poor or live near poor. I'll give you a hint they will be thrown in jail where we will pay $40,000 or more a year for each one instead of the $8000 a year they get in welfare lol.
icymo888 6 months ago
every facet of society allows the poor to be manipulated, abused, and debilitated by their "help" through the welfare system..society is extremely perverse, including the poor
mrwildman82 6 months ago
all you people are ignorant and uneducated..just because the welfare system is flawed and allows itself to be manipulated doesn't mean that everyone receiving it is doing so. Car insurance, medical insurance(both mandated by law, the latter not until 2013) electric bills and rent. NECESSITIES. You're only given "allowances" it's simply a portion of what amount the applicant ACTUALLY pays. So the gov monitors your budget and gives you some food stamps that are barely a help. the poor are so lucky
mrwildman82 6 months ago
Unfortunately neither of these two men understands economics.
They want what everyone wants, they just have no idea how to get there, but act like they do.
treysparker 6 months ago
@treysparker They understand that tax cuts don't create jobs. the best way to create jobs is the government making infrastructure projects and creating things we need. We did it during FDR presidency and he put pressure on the rich and the rich actually didn't suffer that much and actually the middle class helped to sustain the rich's wealth. Problem is no one on Washington wants to do what they need to do to get the job done.
Maxpound 6 months ago
The poor have it very well of. My best friend is on welfare, doesnt work, and frankly he doesnt have to, he makes more than enough from the government.
What a broken system we have.
treysparker 6 months ago
@treysparker Your best friend sounds lucky! I guess you would be better off if you got fired then right? Doesn't that make you pretty dumb for not getting fired or quitting your job asap? If the poor or so well off its very easy to join their ranks so why isn't everyone rushing to get rid of their income?
icymo888 6 months ago
Stop you bitchin'. You got microwave ovens.
Yes, your food is poison. You water is poisoned. You schools are a joke. You have to live in areas where the environment is poisoned.
But hey. You bitches got cellphones and microwave ovens. Stop you bitchin'.
ewetoobblowsbigtime 6 months ago
"We ruined the economy and increased our own wealth in the process, shrunk the middle class, expanded the poor... people are angry. What do we do? ... I KNOW, we do what we always do, we blame the people who had the least to do with any of it... BLAME THE POOR!"
Hypnotron2006 6 months ago
wow...they basically prove the point that the poor are being demonized by saying basically saying the president represents everyone but he doesn't. He doesn't represent the poor for they aren't represented anymore.
Maxpound 6 months ago 2
@Maxpound I guess they don't include "everyone" with poor.
soccerdude601 6 months ago
It must have been Michelle Bachmann or the other dumbass Sarah Palin who wrote that letter i.e. typical Republican trash, who are out of touch with reality.
ezekielthemack 6 months ago
misery merchants!
ashken79 6 months ago
OBAMA IS FOR OBAMA AND WALL STREET ,BY HIS OWN ACTIONS, OBAMA HAVE ( SOLD ) THE MIDDLE CLASS WHO PAY MOST OF THE TAXES AND THE
POOR ( OUT ) TO WAR FOR PROFIT AND WALL STREET
starrra1 6 months ago
"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."
- Warren E. Buffet, 2005
''When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.''
- Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Tressco 6 months ago 2
You don't have a Congressman a senator or police department because they all belong to the rich elite police puts our young men and women in jail to support the prison industrial Corporation they use our armies to plunder the world we haven't fought for freedom since World War II we only have mercenaries now that's why no one is concerned about dead soldiers the rich do not care about young men they will kill them for profit
KYKIN44 6 months ago
@KYKIN44 Amen! Great comment!
mphello 6 months ago
Obama = Gore = Clinton = Bush 1 = Bush 2 = Reagan = Kerry = Inhofe = Rohrbacher all subhuman shitheads who need to be annihilated.
Vote for a Mathematically Optimized Set of Laws!
(not just for the economy but for every human and non-human action)
Until then, vote Green Party! Vote for Ralph Nader for President 2012!
Hell - if you can't do THAT, then at least WRITE-IN YOUR OWN FUCKING NAME FOR EVERY OFFICE!
mphello 6 months ago 2
@mphello = Rockefeller = Hitler. No more NWO pawns. We need to take our country back.
blazestudios23 6 months ago
@blazestudios23 Amen! Yes - my list could go on.
That's why I suggest everyone write-in their own names, because at least that way, their views will match closest to that of the candidate for whom they're voting. The voter will never agree fully with any other candidate.
mphello 6 months ago
@mphello We do need a leader. But our leader needs to represent the people not some elite group of psycho paths.
blazestudios23 6 months ago
I don't expect or want the government to DO anything for me.
I just don't want them to DO anything AGAINST me.
I don't demand the gov't to steal from the rich to give to me.
I demand the gov't not get in the way while *I* steal from the rich,
while *I* do the work of taking resources from the rich,
the same way the rich hunt and murder animals for food (I'm vegan),
who don't owe the rich just because the rich are hungry.
THAT is the true libertarian, true "natural" way.
mphello 6 months ago
The biggest leaches on society are the rich. They steal from working people through the wage system and then they steal from them again through the tax system. Meanwhile they destroy the environment with their greed and cause untold death and suffering throughout the world with their for-profit wars (at your expense) and their neo-colonial economic policies.
bluesenshi 6 months ago
@bluesenshi Amen! Bravo! Keep up the good fight!
mphello 6 months ago
There are only 2 options for the poor and declining middle class:
starve/go homeless,
or take a completely USELESS WORTHLESS government "job" - e.g. the DEA or the NSA - get paid BIG welfare - to either do something that wastes money and energy at best or terrorizes and kidnaps (imprison) people for no good reason (DEA, marijuana) at worst.
mphello 6 months ago
@mphello I know, because one of my close relatives had to make that terrible choice, and got a job at one of these INSANELY OBSCENELY over-funded agencies of the USA. He HATES his job, knows it is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS to society, but that is his ONLY choice to survive, because the USA gov't and fucked-up politicians cave into bankers, destroy all USEFUL CRITICAL work (spay and neuter cats and dogs, fight climate change, research development manufacturing in nanotech), and make all jobs...
mphello 6 months ago
@mphello .. be bullshit SECURITY or FINANCIAL MONEY-PUSHING-AROUND jobs!
Get this through your fucking skulls, libertarians and conservaturds and teabaggers:
THERE IS NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN WELFARE VS A GOVERNMENT JOB!
THE MONEY IN EITHER CASE IS STOLEN FROM THE TAXPAYER!
THERE IS ONLY A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A USEFUL VS A USELESS (OR DESTRUCTIVE) ACTIVITY!
AND DIFFERENCES ONLY IN MAGNITUDE OF PAY!
STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT SEMANTICS ("welfare = bad, job = good")!
mphello 6 months ago
corp. media sucks, they are defending the poor cause they are poor and the poor have no voice in the political atmosphere. the rich does. they are called lobbyist. fight against stupity call them out on it. just reading a script isnt journalism, and having half a brain helps.
TheClosestranger00 6 months ago
WTF :@:@@
'' the poor dont pay taxes''
BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MONEY BITCH
CORPORATIONS DONT PAY TAXES. FUCK.FUCK.FUCK.FUCK
Ja1Mac 6 months ago
@Ja1Mac
If you make under 15k a year the IRS sends you a check for $5k
No reason not to file a 1040!! right?
Salvysahagun 6 months ago
@Salvysahagun
dont forget poor people lack in education and the shortage of money makes them greedy for every cent.
some dont know how to file taxes, most have it taken out of their bank accounts. Now when you take 5K from a poor person which is used on other bills and food, it still makes it harder for them to clime up the class ladder thus keeping the cycle in a loop..
BLAME THE SYSTEM, NOT THE POOR PEOPLE
their doing a good job not paying the irs, half the tax money goes towards the war.
Ja1Mac 6 months ago
@Ja1Mac
Its really not that hard to file a 1040 bro.
Salvysahagun 6 months ago
Screw both Smiley and West. Just because your poor doesn't automatically make you a sympathetic figure.
wolfengheist 6 months ago
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wolfengheist 6 months ago
The poor collect handouts while the rich devour the crops of the middle class. In other words, the only people who suffer are the middle class. I won't say fuck the poor, but I can say to fuck a segment of the rich class.
CosmicGrounds 6 months ago
I raise my children on welfare Thank God It was there for a safety Net for Us or we would be in the streets and on drugs and whatever else to survive.Some people have misused it and they call them welfare Queens.But not all people on welfare are frauds.
BurnessGuidry773 6 months ago
@BurnessGuidry773
If it wasn't for welfare you'd be on drugs???
TheTruthHurts732 6 months ago
People NEED to realize that 90% of the mega-rich (those with a net worth exceeding $100 million dollars) in the U.S. have amassed their ridiculous fortunes, almost exclusively via illegal means; whether it’s insider-trading, anti-trust actions, racketeering, market manipulation, or through any of the other countless FRAUDULANT schemes they’ve perfected! But, how can this be you ask? Simple, they own the government regulatory agencies, most political figures, & all M.S. Media outlets. Got it?!
madtown99980 6 months ago
let me try one last time.
Federal income tax is only one of the many we pay. we also pay...blah blah blah of which our share is far greater than wealthy people pay proportional to their income.
Tax dodgers are not those who take advantage of the tax code, only the ones who avoid it altogether with off shore accounts and slick lawyers.
So, Bro, if you want to continue your hollow arguments defending those who are fucking us all(including you) best of luck.I've wasted too much time on your ilk.
snarkishone 6 months ago
@snarkishone
To me an Personal Income Tax evader is not a criminal but a patriot.
Salvysahagun 6 months ago
How do you want the President to fix the problem: "he needs to call poor people poor. Address it as poverty."
??? what ???
Cobrauh 6 months ago
'What are they complaining about?'
THEY'RE FUCKING POOR! God for Cornell West and Tavis Smiley for slapping this corporate shill around. I cannot believe how biased she is. I suppose that's what corporate media calls 'balance'.
mw2000 6 months ago
blame the poor? how rediculous, the poor did not invent welfare. Welfare was invented by our government to keep blacks out of the middle class. Retierd government workers collect more money in benifits when combined, than all the citizen programs combined. and now private companys are getting benifits from the government to the tune of trillions in bailouts after they took trillions and drove their companys broke.
dawheele1 6 months ago
Kill that slut-bitch. Rape her to death. That would be hilarious.
And, if you don't like this suggestion, well I don't know what you're complaining about. She never did a day of work in her life. She just lives off corporate handouts.
mphello 6 months ago
This woman is a biased shithead. Why does she cite some report from the Heritage Foundation? Why not a report from the World Workers Party?
What about the rich? Why do THEY do nothing but complain and cry if they can't get another billion? And, they STOLE their money from the taxpayer in the FIRST PLACE in the form of free corporate-welfare handouts, dumb cunt bitch!
mphello 6 months ago 5
@mphello calling people names doesn't change anything. I agree with you, but we can not win by bringing it to that level.
awake4life 6 months ago
@awake4life As long as you are logically consistent with what you said, and in no way condemn an individual or refuse to listen to them just because they are a "criminal" or "terrorist" or "child molestor". What matters is the sum total of good and bad each individual does or TRIES to do, in spite of opposition.
All else is worthless bullshit, and I would annihilate all culture and all life on earth if that's what it took to make it logically consistent. Hope that won't be necessary.
mphello 6 months ago
Welfare is a trap that sucks in entire families.
sintruder 6 months ago
Do what you people do best, riot.
splibb 6 months ago
Roboeconomics
eurogoldexchange 6 months ago
Thanks for your input..look at this news woman - she is so well versed at slamming the poor- smug/arrogant/mean/deep on a shallow ideal - and she will say- Oh well I'm playing the devils advocate, bull!
kingofallclergy 6 months ago
But what they seem not to take into account is that no REAL CUTS were made!! 1 trillion dollars over 10 years?! This congress won't even be around to enforce it. It's a charade.
junemem 6 months ago
"The poor get dumped on, the poor get piled on, the poor get demonized..." The same can be said for the rich. Like the poor, many who are rich are classed as greedy and lazy. Many of the wealthy in the US are self-made. And self-made from starting a business: not from the dubious financial markets. Class warfare is nonsense. But they are right: the poor will be big losers in this deal. The biggest losers? The middle-class. The greatest source of tax revenue. Play on Nero. Play on.
junemem 6 months ago
@junemem
Fuck you, you house slave. The rich have everything better, by default you idiot. And their share of GDP and wealth has grown while their tax burden has fallen for more than 30 years, with only the Clinton years as a reprieve.
It's really simple, stupid. They have the luxury of needing and often desiring to consume a much smaller percentage of their income and wealth than the poor. Hence, the subjective value of each dollar is less. There's no reason not to tax the wealthy more.
AntiSchiff 6 months ago 3
@AntiSchiff You have a lot of bitch in you Instead of having an adult exchange you stamp your feet like a spoiled undisciplined child as if it makes for a stronger argument You didn't address 1 thing I posted Not 1 If I am seen as a slave by one of your logic that's a label I can live with Now go to the mailbox and get your check I have work to do I won't be responding to you again If it wasn't for the middle-class and rich you wouldn't have anyone for the IRS to steal money from on your behalf
junemem 6 months ago
@AntiSchiff AMEN!
The majority of people are too stupid to do mathematical modelling. They don't get the fact the utility function,
v(x), for x-dollars, need NOT be linear in x. v(1) could be enormous: your last dollar, which you'd have to spend on food or a drink of water. Since it is reasonable to asume that v is monotonic nondecreasing function of x, we can't have v(1) = 10^9 and v(10^9) = 10^9 with v(x)<10^9 for some x somewhere in between.
Hence, strictly, we need an x and a y:
mphello 6 months ago
@mphello x = dollars you have
y = dollars you need to buy the things you need
In fact, we just need a utility function v(x1,x2,x3,...) for each of the things we need:
x1=food
x2= clean water
x3= freedom
x4=privacy
etc
mphello 6 months ago
Cornel West is a worded rendition of Category 6 Hurricane! LMFAO
MyRiseToHonor 6 months ago
C. West is da Man!!!!!
eldogg4life 6 months ago
AMAN "
stonethugmusic 6 months ago
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stonethugmusic 6 months ago
JESUS DON'T LIKE THIS "
stonethugmusic 6 months ago
GOD / JESUS DON'T LIKE IT "
stonethugmusic 6 months ago
lol, I have never heard so many lies in a 6 min video
PizzaGod 6 months ago
the poverty pimps tried to go to detroit,MI today for their scam called "the poverty tour" and ran into a surprised group of President Obama supporters that was hip to their scam. Thease two are just on a self-serving,self-promotion tour to not only undermine the black community,but try to undermine President Obama as well. also some of west & smiley's sponsors are ALEC. Yes anti-progressive everything. So they're to with "the corporate plutocrats,& the wall street oligarchs". Silly Rabbits!!
LiLrick258 6 months ago
We need Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul to run together.
jezmundberserker 6 months ago in playlist A Playlist
All "poor" people have the choice to go to college for free or join the military and better themselves. What do poor people usually choose? They choose the "ENTITLEMENTS," over college and military service.
ForceOfWizardry 6 months ago
@ForceOfWizardry You are a moron
DanTheManHatesYoutub 6 months ago
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DanTheManHatesYoutub 6 months ago
@ForceOfWizardry Uh, no...the poor don't usually HAVE the choice to go to college...to do that, you have to be able to pay the ever-increasing tuition.
And a lot of them do join the military, but it usually doesn't "better" them worth a damn.
Almost nobody CHOOSES to be on welfare. The vast majority of the jobless would work if there was work where they are-and most can't afford to travel the country looking for work.
KennBurch 6 months ago
This bitch needs a slap in the face of reality.
ArcesitorGmail 6 months ago
Well i'm poor, and i can tell you most poor people are not worth a fuck. They have kids they can't take care of and just get free government money. Society has been engineered to keep poor people down but most don't even try, this subject is a lot more complex than what peoples opinions would have you believe.
Down with the Communist pigs!!!
ctywhite 6 months ago
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nultdog 6 months ago
I'm saddened to see working class white folks having their fear an bigotries exploited by the elite.
The hateful elitist propaganda of the Reagan era of "welfare queens" and similar b.s. is NOT what is draining America dry.
Quit being tools white people! You have INFINITELY more in common with poor and working class people of color that you do with the rich! You need to do the one revolutionary thing that has yet to happen in America - for workers of ALL COLORS TO UNITE!
RemoveYourChains 6 months ago
@MrWagwaniify White meat is right!
threefiveZ 6 months ago
Government giving handouts by stealing money from other people via taxes and inflation is unconstitutional and lacks any kind of logic
drunkenboxer1985 6 months ago
@drunkenboxer1985 government injecting capital into neglected segments of the population in order to have a functioning and prosperous society sounds plenty logical to me....
its all in the wording.
alwayzAngry 6 months ago
@alwayzAngry Politicians play semantics all the time and simple minded people are easily pray to it.
drunkenboxer1985 6 months ago
fuck that dumb bitch and CNN!!
HiiPowerGMS 6 months ago
shoot that bitch in the face
DaniSevinn 6 months ago
she sounds racist!
Charbear25 6 months ago
"Race based employment programs"??? WTF does that mean??? More RACISM towards whites in this nation??? Total bullshit!!!
gunloc26 6 months ago
@gunloc26
The truth is that the legacy of history weighs down upon the black community in a disproportionate way.
HOWEVER - the truth is that most attempts at present to "racialize" poverty are really divide-and-conquer tactics of elites against the poor and working class of ALL COLORS.
So while I think you're misguided in perceiving some kind of mass "racism" against white people in America - I do agree that the "colorizing" of poverty at this point is misguided and divisive.
RemoveYourChains 6 months ago
@gunloc26 yeah....helping minorities is much less beneficial than hanging them and degrading them for a few hundred years.
Lolz
AgrivatedKillah 6 months ago
@AgrivatedKillah Really, still playing the victim...in the 21st century. Too funny! Martin Luther King Jr would be so proud!
gunloc26 6 months ago
Got to wrap it up once truth is being thrown in your face huh? figures.
ClifSoulo 6 months ago
The rich and the lucky 1:55 Fuck you asshole. The rich and the hardworking you fuckin whining asshole
TheRetiredtrucker 6 months ago
@TheRetiredtrucker
"Hard working"? You honestly believe America is a meritocracy?
You foolish little tool...
RemoveYourChains 6 months ago 8
@RemoveYourChains The majority of those who have wealth have worked for it you pathetic peon, now back to your shift at Starbucks
TheRetiredtrucker 6 months ago
@TheRetiredtrucker
NO ONE can become a "millionaire" relative to the majority of the population (let alone a billionaire) through the exercise of honest labor.
Such incomes are invariably the consequence of USURIOUS economic transactions - interest lending, rents, speculation, gambling, and the siphoning of the surplus labor value of workers one pays less than their economic out-put. That's not even counting the trust fund brats and other nepotists, insiders, and cronies.
RemoveYourChains 6 months ago
@RemoveYourChains Not true Oh name tag wearer. There was a reason why the majority of the self made millionaires worked 16 hrs a day. They worked for it, unlike you lazy whining parasites. Ever wonder why Marx decided to write his manifesto WHILE HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN STARVED.... CAUSE THE FUCKER WAS TOO LAZY TO WORK like the majority of you communist losers
TheRetiredtrucker 6 months ago
@TheRetiredtrucker
A) what about the non "self made" cases?
B) what about the person who breaks their back with two jobs? Or who ruins their health with their labors? I suppose they should be millionaires even moreso?
C) why do you consider "wearing a tag" and having to cordially serve @ssholes like you a put down? Is it because you look down on such workers?
RemoveYourChains 6 months ago
@RemoveYourChains A) If I chose to give my children my assets who are you to say no?
B) Should have either studied more and not slacked off in school, or refused to do work that caused injury. We have safety nets to support those injured at work
C) Nope I do consider communist losers. People who whine about people having more, but refuse to work for it themselves. Maybe if you weren't so fucking lazy you would try to improve yourself
TheRetiredtrucker 6 months ago
Why is it so surprising that poor people have 50 + year old technology? Seriously?!
ShadowSandy 6 months ago
These cats are right.
Aadonis219 6 months ago
don't let these guys tell you what to think. they voted for obama once and they're going to vote for obama again. they are not in this for the poor. the only man who is in it for the poor is ron paul
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx Do you have a link to Ron Paul's plan to help people in poverty? I'd like to see/read it.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago 2
@ReignbowSmite he did two interviews recently where he talked about job growth/the recession. you can see them here: watch?v=WQ9fvpO1eco&feature=share and here: watch?v=J7xns46kn5A&feature=share . we need a debt free currency, we need to stop corporatism, and we need to allow free markets. a country never has to go into debt because they have to power to issue it's own debt free money. but we let private banks loan us debt based money that we have to pay back with interest forcing us into debt.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx Yes but jobs are only a fraction of the problem. The longer people go with out work the more depressed, drug or alcohol abused, apathetic people become. There's also a serious education problem that contributes to poverty. Access to health (including mental health) care. Social programs cure poverty.
Will Ron Paul make Walmart pay a full time employee a living wage? Or will people have to continue to neglect their children to work 60-80 hours a week?
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite yes poor people trend towards drugs that's why ron wants to end the war on drugs because he knows it's an illness not a crime. yes education and health care are problems but social programs don't cure poverty. before medicare, ss, medicade people got free health care all the time. doctors never turn down patients, even today. so jacking up the price of medicine and then forcing everyone to buy insurance doesn't exactly help poor people.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx "end the war on drugs" I'm all for it! But you'll need social programs to help people who are addicted. You didn't specify "legalize" or "regulate" drugs, which one did you mean?
I disagree with you on healthcare because it's already been proven that a socialized system is more preventative, efficient, and affordable.I don't believe in forcing people to pay to a private insurance company.
"social programs don't cure poverty." Social programs are needed to help children in poverty.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite just get the government to end the war on drugs then let states decide whether or not they want to legalize them and tax them. you don't have to have a social program just to help people with addictions. people have to teach themselves how to behave- the goverment doesn't need to intervene and tell you what to think and where to get help. you say you dont want to force people to pay for insurance... but isn't that what the social program would have be?
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx Ok, I agree with the stance on drugs. " people have to teach themselves how to behave" I would agree with that if the base population wasn't already so in despair. Much more generational poverty and suffering will occur unless you help people who ask for help, especially people who have behavior problems due to abuse or mental illness. I would force people to pool into a public insurance fund who's records were fully available to every tax paying citizen.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite it's ok to help people who ask for help i just draw the line when i have to pay for someone else not being responsible. i'll admit i had a drinking problem for a while but i'm currently doing a lot better. i helped myself though selfcontrol. i acknowledge that some people have more serious problems than i had but that doesn't justify another tax on someone who is being responsible. there are other ways of helping addicts besides forcing another tax
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx It's great that you were able to help your self, congrats! Let's give you another example (this isn't an appeal to emotion because I despise this person, but it comes from my experience). My mother had been a severe alcoholic for years. she not only denied it but hid it as well. She was beginning to jaundice before the company she worked for went bankrupt and lost coverage. By this time she hit rock bottom and needed to be admitted to go through withdrawl. She was in a coma. (cont)
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite Most people who have addictions hide them out of shame, and by the time they admit that they need help.. they've usually lost everything. How do we help these people? I know that you care about the struggle of average people. If wages were as high as welfare, and offered the same benefits, there would be an incentive to get off it. Welfare recipients have gone up because wages stagnated and benefits disappeared.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite but you don't have to make a new tax just to help these people. there are churches, good people, charity programs. but if people don't want to get help then there isn't much to do and you have to let them learn the hard way- that's the incentive to stop. we can't afford welfarism anymore anyway with all the wars and wreckless spending. all the other candidates just want to continue spending... how does that help? it just keeps it our problems going.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx here's an idea...end the wars.
MrZeroTerrorRide 6 months ago
@MrZeroTerrorRide ok.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx I would also force tax on the drugs, to pay for health and education programs, and tax large corporations to lower the average tax payer's costs. Eventually you can wean a population off of social programs, but the key is to make health and education of most importance. (imo)
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite *health and education available to everyone for free.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite there you go again forcing stuff. that's where we disagree. i agree that a tax on, for example, marijuana, would reap huge revenue i think taxing it is unjust. if people are using marijuana for medicine then why not just leave it untaxed and let the people get that revenue directly? i don't want the governement taking money away from me and then telling me to trust that they will do something better with that money than what i could have done myself.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx I see it as an obligation by all citizens for the privileged of participating in a community. You would like to change the way that community is run. When someone procreates, they are forcing a life to exist... regardless of whether that life will suffer. Should we stop people from forcing new lives into this world? It's your opinion that taxing is theft. Society needs to be fixed from the bottom up. If you just drop people you problems will increase exponentially.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite oh please i'm not suggesting that we stop people from procreating i'm just saying that the government doesn't need to dictate little details in our life that people should be taking care of themselves. if people's problems will increase just because you give them more freedom then they should seriously reflect on life. we can't afford the government attempting to keep us in line. we have to be responsible and the people who aren't must be allowed to fail.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
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stonedmentx 6 months ago
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@ReignbowSmite ron won't make force any corporations to do anything like that because that would get in the way of free markets. you either have free markets or corporatism, but not both. free markets allow people to choose not to work for walmart which in return forces walmart to go out of business due to lack of employees. i know a lot of small businesses that would love to see walmart go out of business any way possible.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx wouldn't you have corporatism in a free market?What's to stop one company from buying out all the others? I support small businesses, and I would like to see a witch hunt on walmarts. Wouldn't you encourage that growth by increasing corporate taxes but keep them low for small/medium business owners? The taxes from multinationals can help fund social programs and health care, driving down an individual's cost.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite first off, thanks for presenting your points in a intelligent manner- i appreciate that. what would stop that from happening are the people who own the companies. if a company allowed itself to get bought out by a bigger corporation that company is just as bad as the corporation. small businesses have to teach themselves not to sell out. increasing taxes on big corporations doesnt work well because that makes them look for ways to outsource rather than hire in the US
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx You're welcome... haha I was just going to thank you for your patience.
"if a company allowed itself to get bought out by a bigger corporation that company is just as bad as the corporation." Agreed =D "small businesses have to teach themselves not to sell out." we know that no one will do that. Everyone sells out for the right price, that's just human nature. Dan Ariely has an excellent lecture on youtube about human rationality as it pertains to economics. (cont)
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite I highly recommend it. Increasing taxes hasn't scared them off in the past, but wouldn't that be what you want to do if you want to encourage small business growth? Get rid of the assholes that keep taking over everything? I mean it's not like they'd stop selling products in America. They've already moved all the jobs.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite while i think it's true that a lot of people would sell out i think that in a free market most won't. people would have more say. in a free market, fractional reserve banking and fraud are illegal. that would make it impossible for big corporations to draw loans with unfair credit ratings and buy out the masses like how they do now. that makes mega corporations like monsanto scared to death. they scoff at talk of higher taxes because they know they won't pay them.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite you're right taxes don't run off corporations. i was mistaking taxes for regulations. regulations run off corporations. i don't mind talk of tax reform because the irs is obviously screwed up. there is obviously a problem if big corporations aren't paying any taxes and small businesses are paying a ton of taxes.
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx I don;t stick to one political ideology. I like to take from here and there. I agree with some of the things he says, but the right not to be taxed, and tax is theft is just an opinion, and the potential effects of this in a recession will cause generations of death and suffering. It's irresponsible. A society needs to be groomed into independence. Tough love doesn't work from any standpoint.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
bullshit. If the US didn't raised the debt ceiling a lot of people in the whole world would be in trouble of the crisis that a default could make.
Dudedubba 6 months ago
Ron Paul is a creationist moron! He thinks scientific literacy is not important to the presidency.
He picks and chooses "facts" to coincide with his views. People really think he'll make things better?! This country truly is lost.
bb1televator 6 months ago
@bb1televator lol your 100% wrong
stonedmentx 6 months ago
@stonedmentx *you're
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@stonedmentx lol except I'm not wrong. He is a creatard. As such he ignores objective observations that he doesn't like. He's a creationist who also believes in the psychotic ramblings of a well known atheist.
bb1televator 6 months ago
@bb1televator what is he ignoring?
stonedmentx 6 months ago
Guess who heads 'The Heritage Foundation'? That's right Karl "turdblossom" Rove. Now guess who funds that foundation? No seriously guess it's unclear.
halfzombiehalfrobot 6 months ago
america is turning into george dickens' london. but with microwave ovens. which give you colon cancer, so, you know, great.
LiberaLib 6 months ago
@LiberaLib wth, they really do that?
AgrivatedKillah 6 months ago
well if you have a microwave then of course you are not poor duh!... fuckin cnn lol
r6turbo12 6 months ago
Ima start a business teaching the middle-class how to be poor :P
TheVirtualStoa 6 months ago
The poor are better than the middle-class? Keep living that dream, Amerikans.
2tur 6 months ago
the poor don't have 'lobbiest' to send to washington and slip money in the back pockets of politicans?
ED4action 6 months ago
These two guys are just plain stupid. Collectivism is a mental disorder.
MrGreeneggsnham 6 months ago
How much do these guys make? Do they give it all to the poor?
rwalkenhorst 6 months ago
@rwalkenhorst Right cos thats what has to happen when you make money. Just give your entire paycheck to them.
Churchx77 6 months ago
Our standards of poverty are much higher than most other countries. A poor person from Columbia or India would think he hit the lotto if he lived by the same standards that poor Americans live by.
Dedhedted71 6 months ago
@Dedhedted71 Wake the fuck up! The poor in developing countries are that way because of such things as modern industry and globalized capitalism. If you look at indigenous people who live away from modern industry and globalized capitalism, they are much healthier and long-living than the poor in developed countries. Also, American poor are much worse off than the poor in many developed countries.
MarmaladeINFP 6 months ago
@MarmaladeINFP You live in mental poverty.
Dedhedted71 6 months ago
@Dedhedted71 If I'm in mental poverty and I'm by far smarter than you, then it must suck to be you. I state the obvious facts and you run away wimpering because you are incapable of logical debate. Sad and pathetic.
MarmaladeINFP 6 months ago
@MarmaladeINFP Why would I bother to exchange anything worth while with an asshole who starts off his whole comment with an insult??? I don't waste my time debating trolls like you! If you would have come at me with intelligence & respect then maybe I would have taken the time to educate you on global economics & poverty. But since you are an obvious idiot I am not going to bother. And none of your stupid messgs will be read either so go back to watching WWE or whatever dunces like you watch.
Dedhedted71 6 months ago
@Dedhedted71 Troll means anyone who is more well informed than you, eh? Telling you to wake the fuck up wasn't an insult. It was a very strong suggestion. I still stand by that suggestion. What do you think you'd lose by waking up?
MarmaladeINFP 6 months ago
The top 5% of Americans have net worth of 40 trillion dollars.
mirandansa 6 months ago 2
@mirandansa ...and that's fine as long as they make their money by selling products and services that people spend their own money on voluntarily. It's when they're in cahoots with government that the poor and middle class get screwed. The evil ingredient is always the state.
Smiley and West understand the evil of politicians when they shovel our money to bombmakers and banksters. Why do they trust the same creeps to formulate a central "plan" to eradicate poverty?
rwalkenhorst 6 months ago
don't let these guys tell you what to think. they voted for obama once and they're going to vote for obama again. they are not in this for the poor. the only man who is in it for the poor is ron paul.
stonedmentx 6 months ago 2
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Dedhedted71 6 months ago
Race divides us and that's why they bring over immigrants...
VlcakStalker 6 months ago 2
Pair of clowns.
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kmg501 6 months ago
I think these two have just awakened from a long slumber!
AntG72 6 months ago
Welfare is a band-aid and not a cure. It's government programs like this that allow people who are barely able to take care of themselves, the ability to have kids, to get a little more money, to continue the cycle and even worse adding to it. People need to take care of people, through local churches, family, neighbors, community, etc. There is no accountabilty for people who receive welfare and therefore no reason to better oneself.
TheTruthHurts732 6 months ago