So, is that bitch Lady Fingers a cheat, in cahoots with Lancy, or did the Kid just run into a steamroller? What do folks think? Although the movie leaves this open, I'd say they cheated the Kid
@syntax2010 Did it say that ladyfingers knew Lancy for a long time in the video? I remember hearing they needed dealers with impecable reputations, but did it say ladyfingers knew Lancy for 25 years? So many things make this a great movie, but one of the best is missed by alot of people; did Ladyfingers stack the deck Lancy's way. If I was McQueen, the first bullet hole would land between Ladyfingers eyes, followed by 2 for Lancy!
I agree with you, but think of it from the other way around, Robinson's hand is so rare (almost impossible) it fits whit the tone of the movie. The Kid is the better player, but Robinson beats him with the last draw of luck.
Every Poker player would think Robinson is bluffing, 'cause the hand is so rare. The shot is 1 to 45 Million.
"U r good kid, but as long as I'm around u r 2nd best" the old nit got freaking lucky and he's acting like he played really good, man, that's a dumb part 4 real
That was probably the best quote in the movie, and it's still famous =] plus lucky or not though he still won, can't blame him hands down i was going for the kid too =[
One reason I can't stand most old movies is just how cheesy they are. I can accept that the technology wasn't that great, so you'll see little in the way of special effects, audio fidelity won't be as good as it could be, etc. I understand that stuff. But there's no excuse for the over-the-top music and rapid cutting when the jack is revealed -- at least, no excuse beyond "that's the way it was done back then". (BTW... the characters had all that money, but couldn't afford a set of chips?)
The cutting has nothing to do with the technology or anything. It is a stylistic choice of the director. Cuts like that happen today and they happened then. Cuts like that don't happen today and they didn't happen then--it's all about the director. That particular cutting given the context of the entire film and what is going on with slade and the mechanic etc. works.
@elpulpo800 -- I'm aware the technology had nothing to do with it; that was my point. I can accept lack of technology more easily than I can accept stylistic choices like the over-the-top music and rapid cutting. I don't think you see it done quite the way it's done here in modern films unless they're deliberately cheesy.
McQueen dominates the whole game then he gets sucked out worse than anyone in the history of poker this hand and everyone in the room is like "well, looks like you suck, kid."
At the beginning of the big game it's announced that string bets aren't permitted. But there's a hell of a lot of stringing on display here. The kid's move on fourth street is a string, no?
even if he is the old buck badass, that is a once in lifetime hand for 5 stud. if you catch chances are you wont get called. ive had great wins and bad beats but this is sooooo Hollywood. still one of my fave flicks. i love "you're good kid but as long as I'm around you're second best".
@Bez1960 - yes, not a happy camper, destroyed himself in a way, sad end to a most terrific actor and a person who did quiet chartiable acts. His movie The Sand Pebbles' got me through tough time.
That old man played that hand like shit. I wish I can just bet, bet, bet and somehow catch a runner-runner and a one outter to a straight flush. Anybody can play a straight fucking flush to a full house. Props to that kid for not reraising the 5000.
@Bez1960 -The Kid Didn't, as he tells Karl Maldens character that he wants to beat him fair and square. But the movie never answers the question (or asks for that matter) if Lancy and Lady Finger where in Cahoots against The Kid.
The question I always wondered about (because of the final two hands and the fact that Karl Malden's character wanted to "stack the deck" is this; was Lady Fingers in cahoots with Lancey in stacking the deck against The Kid? With the odds being so long that these two hands would come up (332 Billion- 1), one has to take it into consideration. If I were The Kid, I'd light-up my old six shooter and put one between both Fingers and Lanceys eyes for cheating!!
@PeterFormaini - "I see you and raise..." is still a string bet. "See" is a synonym for "call" (although, for some reason, I almost always hear it in the context of the classic Hollywood string raise).
@mdogg20psn - hold'em has nothing to do with it. Virtually all forms of poker use the same basic betting rules. Also, the line "no string betting" is from the movie itself -- "I call you and raise" (and the variant "I see you and raise") is a string bet no matter what version of poker you're playing, so they are violating the rules that they themselves defined in the movie.
You got it all wrong. In casinos, when u say "i call you and raise" the other player can call it as a violation known as a string bet. So it means you only call. But in the movie they say no string betting which means the rule doesnt apply. you cant call the string bet. they can do it
@lovac55 - that doesn't make any sense. "String betting" is saying "I call and I raise...". "No string betting" therefore means you cannot say "I call and I raise". "No string betting" doesn't cancel the rule that you can't say "I call and the raise" -- it *is* the rule that says you can't say it.
Good film, but if Sam Peckinpah had directed this one, it would have been a wild, wild film. It feels to stagey too much like a commercial studio picture that keeps the sleaze and obsession of this lifestyle at a minimum. The dialogue is too polite. Despite that Eddie Robinson is a gentleman and a joy to watch.
I always thought a great alternate ending that would fit would be to have Lady Fingers ALSO dealing "an occasional helpful cahd", but to Lancey of course. MAybe she was in a jam and whover the unseen person that took Slade's action was behind that. No one would believe anyone would deal a rigged hand like that! Plus Lady Fingers covers herself questioning Lancey's play.
And forget the poker rules miscues, etc. What I want to know is how an apparently broke Shooter managed to hold on to such an obvious gold digger/whore like Ann-Margret??? Guess his nose wasn't all that was big...
Another great part of that movie was when Slade asks The Man how he knew he had him beat, and The Man recalls Eddie the Dude telling someone that "You only paid the looking price - lessons are extra..." That pretty much set up the rest of the movie as Slade's attempts to see The Man get "gutted".
Continued...many players in low entry tourneys will play loose early and if they get knocked out, to them it's "So what I get get right in another tourney". If you have the time to devote to what may be a lengthy session, there's money to be made in tourneys. And hey I'll admit it's a lot easier for me to bluff with tournament chips than it is to do so at a no limit cash game!
Just make sure you understand how hand strengths can vastly differ depending on your stack size, blind levels, etc.
So many comments from guys who have lost quit a bit and/or took a bad beat for a lot of coin. When I first started online (but I've played many many years live in "kitchen table" type low stakes games) I played fairly small stakes LIMIT hold 'em. Trouble with those games is so many players will see a lot of flops.
So a suggestion - play sit and gos and tournaments! You know what your investment is, and in tourneys with large fields the potential return is enormous.
Here's a question. What are the odds of these two hands coming up at exactly the same time. Gotta be in the millions maybe higher. The point being that this is a good movie but the final hand is a bit ridiculous. To say the least. Gotta love Edward G. Robinson though....and Ann Margaret too.
so, the odds for a straight flush in classic poker are 1:14000 and for a full house 1:650. Combined are smaller of course, but this doesn't mean that it hasnt happened or will not happen again. look in utube, search for "royal flush vs quad aces" and you'll see a same REAL hand in world poker series 2008!
@sotirisp16 OK.....so I looked it up. From Anthony Holden's book Big Deal. the odds against any full house losing to any straight flush, in a two-handed game, are 45,102,781 to 1," with Holden continuing that the odds against the particular final hand in the movie are astronomical (as both hands include 10s). Holden states that the chances of both such hands appearing in one deal are "a laughable" 332,220,508,619 to 1 (more than 332 billion to 1 against)
@sotirisp16 continued: and goes on: "If these two played 50 hands of stud an hour, eight hours a day, five days a week, the situation would arise about once every 443 years." I found it on Wiki....so it may not be correct.....I believe what you are referring to in the WPS 2008 did occur but is Texas Style poker where the players share cards. The five card stud reffered to here in the movie is where the astronomical odds come from...still a great movie though.
@Paulmancieri67 I agree the last hand played here seems impossible, but the director wanted to give a vivid picture of the bad beat of the kids great hand! Remember that back in the 60's few people were familiar with poker! As for the hand I was talikng about (in the 2008 WPS), did happen, although the chances were 1 in 2.500.000!! If smthng is improbable, doesnt mean it cant happen. Also the kid's betting in the last hand was suicidal! Reraising after a check/raise-reraise? Never!!
@sotirisp16 I was saying that since the WSOP happened in Texas Style poker then the odds of it happening are(and it did) much more possible. 2.5 mill to 1 in Texas and 332 billion to 1 in stud is a huge difference. I could be wrong because I am only pointing out what Holden said in his book. When I originally saw this I just thought the hand a bit over the top, Jewison had portrayed the game so realistically till then........but good point about the Kid making a bad bet.
I agree that the check-raise at the end was suicidal, because there is no reason to do it without having a full house. He played it fairly standard up until that point, but the money would go in no matter what. That said the man's betting up till the very last card was even more suicidal, He should have folded after seeing the pair of 10's, but then again it's a movie.
How are the odds of the texasholdem hand in the James Bond movie "Casino Royal". (Flush in Full haouse in Nut Full House in stright Flush),another "Hollywood hand",ibet 10000000000000 to 1 or so.
This scene has always buggged me ... on fourth street the Kid's got aces up and the very best the Man could have is a pair of queens (and the gut shot straight flush and flush draws) the Kid figures him for Queens (if this were true the man would have to call a really large bet) so why didnt the kid tax him for everything he had then borrow some more and tax him that. He let him see fifth street for 3K what bullshit!! after an obviously very well researched movie how could they end it like this
kid : 10-10-A-A and has the master on QQ he wants to pot comit or chop him for 3k and let him catch a 2 pair, he dont want to go all in and making the master to fold.
well i guess he is concern about the flush draw too but he rivers the FH and no way he cant fold.
Best 2 actors to ever portray poker pros. ALL OTHERS HAVE FAILED MISERABLY. The improbability of the 2 hands in 5 Stud, string bets, & waiving of table stakes aside, this is still the best poker movie.
For all the wannabe poker analysts, McQueen misplayed the hand by NOT moving in with 1 to come. He had to protect 2 pair against a possible straight flush draw & he bets 3k into a 5k pot? The misrepresented Qs on 3rd st had zero to do with that decision. If he believed that, a Q also beats him.
guess u can take money out of your pocket and string bet. I can live with the no burn cards. Another accurate poker script. Give up your poker dream im sure you play as good as the rules were followed.
This pretty much sums up poker imo. I know that the chance of this happening is next to impossible but bad beats just keep coming. I'm an inspiring poker player- with a dream to play with the pro's but I'm down $175 in my career stats, lol.
IDK why but poker is like my life. Ever since I first saw Phil Ivey I wanted it. I've lost so much money in poker to insanely bad beats you wouldn't believe. The sick feeling you get in your gut is only one a poker player knows.
I feel ya man. When I first started playing a couple of years ago I made the fatal mistake of going straight to the $1-$2 blinds and I lost well over a thousand dollars. That sick feeling you get is the worst, it is like a mixture of depression and bad gut rot, physical and mental affliction.
I'm starting to get a lot better now, but I can see why many gamblers have suicidal thoughts, it's not a game for the faint of heart.
Why am I a retard for placing a statement on here. Could you not give your advice without insulting me? I'm fully aware of how to manage a bankroll and that you should play games that you have 20 buy-ins to and so forth. I was just trying to double up a few times so I actually had a nice bankroll to work with.
I'm glad your in a position to lose that much and it not hurt. I'm financially hurting- I'm laid off.
Next time- do you have to be an asshole to share? Srly.
I'm a live player. I've played live most of my life and do very well. I've mad a lot of money playing in real life. I've also managed to spend the money because I was making a living on it for a while.
As far as online poker- not so much. I've played many great people. Online just seems rigged in some way. Like they give two people good hands and one had is meant to win each time. I don't know.
Peace. Thanks for info but try to be cool dude. Why hate and shit?
My excuses for the lame reaction, I was just tilted at the time of writing I guess.
Also, online poker may seem rigged, but independent researchers found that dealing of the cards is completely random. The fact that it seems you get so much beats, is because of the fact you play way more hands per hour than you would play live.
If you prefer playing live above playing online, you should play live ofcourse!
I may have the rol to be ableto lose that amount of money, it still can get me tilted
Hey man. It's all good I completely understand. We all get on here in a bad mood and comment due to our emotions from time to time. Plus, when someone is tilting it's going to be ugly- when they comment- haha!
I've gotten better with my online play- been practicing a lot. I understand what you mean about the hands. Still can't help but notice that I always get rivered- but it happens.
Also, my medium-high pair never holds up- but does for my opponent! Drive me nuts- that's the grind!
I'm just a small time player with a very, very, very small bankroll. Lost a good chunk of it yesterday in a heads-up game. I had As Qs vs Kh Jc. I went all in- and he called. I think it's a fish move to call all-in with K-J off-suit- but he did. I had the gut feeling I would lose and I did.
He caught a freaking straight-flush. Not just a flush by miracle- a straight too. Made me sick to my stomach. Lost a chunk of my roll. Now, I'm playing ring games- low limits.
ummmmm what are the odds of these two hands showing up at the same time. I am going to guess in the millions....seems to me that the kid makes the right bet. Robinson was a fool for staying in that hand.
In Richard Jessup's novel it's mentioned near the end how the Kid went up against Lancey Howard a second time, in Miami. Bigger audience . . . and got trounced again.
If I'm the lonely, neurotic loser you think I am, then ask yourself why you're going to such lengths to point it out. Hope you win your next game of solitaire.
This scene is ridiculous. After the 3rd up-card, the old man had the 8, 10, jack, and queen. The only possible way he could win that hand was if his final up-card was the 9 of diamonds. It wasn't even an open-ended chance at the straight flush; it was a gun shot. To bet the way he did knowing he couldn't win unless he got that one card is just not plausible. As dramatic as the scene appears, it is contrived BS.
Hey BDull: Learn to play poker. A flush beats two pair or three of a kind which was the only possible hand the kid could have had at that moment. Any diamond as the hold card would have won. If he did not get the straight flush on the river he would have folded when the kid fired.
The issue wasn't about the moment; the issue was about the fact that the kid had far more possibilities of ending up with a full house than he did of catching the straight flush. He had to get the 9 of diamonds to beat the possible full house. The kid had two pair and the old man had to assume that. The 10 of diamonds was already up in Ed's hand. Therefore there were still three chances of his catching the full house.
Head to head play, 5-card stud? This bad beat is probably billions to one. But not in Hollywood, of course. For what it's worth, I think this scene is poorly directed. Stodgy, predictable, with rotten handling of the spectators. (All of them delivering their "off-the-cuff" observations on cue.) Compare this with the poker scene in MCCABE AND MRS. MILLER and you'll see the difference between art and crap.
JESUS all you are ripping Clancy for sucking out, but what was a worse move, the semi-bluff to suckout, or kid check-raising and not check-calling the $1k on the end?
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i vote fore the check-raise being a FAR worse move here than the suckout.
"Check to the possible" means that your not going to bet and you're going to leave the betting up to the other person. The "possible" refers to the possible straight flush.
The odds against any full house being beaten by any straight flush, in a two-handed game, are 45,102,784:1.
Given that the Kid's full house contains tens, and that one ten is already in his opponent's hand, the chances that both these hands will appear in one deal of two-handed, five-card stud, is a mild 332,220,508,619:1
...no wonder the kid is like wtf when the Jack is turned
Moringstor said "No wonder the kid is like wtf when the J is turned" . He was trying to spurt his knowledge like some sickcunt.
Again, that is only 1 in 43. On the FINAL decision in the hand, it is 1 in 43. There is only a decision to be made IF the kid has the fullhouse. Ergo he obviously only needs to consider this 1 in 43 chance AT THAT MOMENT. If you do not understand that please give up.
you obviously dont understand the game because you need to consider how the man has taken his line the whole hand with this card. if you want to consider to numbers consider the j(d) of being the difference between 1 in 8 billion, and 1 in 300 billion. if this isnt the smallest cause for wonder then please, im sorry your majesty
please fuck and die. you are wasting precious oxygen for the rest of us :)
But yes, if you deal 10 cards, and the first 5 make a straight flush and the next 5 give aces full, then I will consider numbers (even though in reality the same odds apply regardless of what's printed on the cards).
BUT in this case, there is nothing to consider except 1 in 43. The money DID NOT, I REPEAT DID NOT go in before any cards were dealt.
you are arguing a lost cause. stop trying to convince us that in a heads up game, being dealt a full house vs straight flush is not amazing.
you dont understand that its irrelevant whether its the last card or not. why consider the last step of a long chain of events?
its like saying that its no wonder youre live and able to try to throw shit, because your animal parents had a fuck. feel free to not take into account the infinite occurences through the universe to result in little old you.
It's not amazing because a) it's a movie, and b) it's the same odds as being dealt 3s6c9d10c8s vs 2c2d4cJdJs.
The final decision was made on the final card. The man's line is irrelevant; he was merely content on seeing all 5 cards regardless of the kid's line. So on 5th street the kid needs to consider what one thing...hmm oh that's right: 1 IN FUCKING 43!
The final decision was made on the final card. The man's line is irrelevant; he was merely content on seeing all 5 cards regardless of the kid's line. So on 5th street the kid needs to consider what one thing...hmm oh that's right: 1 IN FUCKING 43!
i didnt say i was amazed. i realise its a movie. i said the kid was. it was a light hearted comment that did not necessitate your moronic reply
your 'he was merely content on seeing all 5 cards regardless of the kid's line' doesnt even deserve a reply. you are wrong. he is 'the man' for a reason, because he makes the smart move, and does not see all 5 cards 'regardless of the kid's line'. ipso facto shut up about the '1 in 43' thing.
Light hearted comment or not, it seemed like he wanted to be praised for looking up the stats and rattling off huge numbers. Clap clap. But then he goes and shoes his ignorance by saying "when the j is turned". Uhhh, no, the kid is not taking into account 320 billion combinations "when the j is turned" ... he is taking into account a 1 in 43 decision on whether to make the final call or not.
i thought you actually knew what you were talking about at first. but then i watched your videos and realised you are one of those smart alec people who post mock SnGs.
let me say one last time. you are not funny. you dont know what you're talking about. you are not worth talking to. you are a waste of space and of our planet's resources. good bye.
Why do poker players say this is crazy? Dont some people hit the jackpot at the lottery every week? Whatever its 6 numbers out of 45 or 7 out of 39? Great ani gambling movie! 5 stars!
you won't find it anywhere i looked for months on all the main sites and even downloaded some torrents which turned out to be other things. then i just conceded defeat and bought it on DVD. you can get it for pretty cheap if you shop around.
However, there is always a certain degree of uncertainty. He may have had a slight chance of winning if he did pick up the scare card (one of the three queens) for a bluff. In other words it would have been a really close decision. Also, he knew it would be unlikely for the Kid to improve (3 outs, one of the Kid's outs [the ten of diamonds] was dead, on the Man's board). Even without considering the implied odds, I think the Man made the right decision (albeit a risky one!)
I'd wanna see the reaction of tuff_fish on a suckout like this.
MichanOo 1 day ago
To thr true gambler,money is never an end in itsels, but simply a tool; as language is to thought.
loriklxb 3 days ago
now i know how andy murrey must have felt playing federer.
god help us if the anglais ever have a tennis wannabe.the scot critics will be merciless!
FREEDOM!!!
degsbabe 6 days ago
Mr Robinson ... He's the man!
TickleMaTurkey 2 months ago
Fish never folds. Lousy raise on a 3 flush. Poor kid.
Dxh096020 3 months ago
hard pill.
mrsavoy66 3 months ago
So I guess low man doesn't have the bring in.
goback3spaces 4 months ago
یک صحنه بیاد ماندنی از فیلمی ماندگار....به نظر میرسه که لیدی فینگر با لانسی تبانی کرده بودند ! بیچاره کید ، خیلی ناراحتش شدم
shirzad42 4 months ago
@shirzad42 say what?
mrsavoy66 3 months ago
the kid could have just called the last bet and still been in the game, very poor play on his part. he isn't "second best" just another pretender.
martingale4ever 4 months ago
Zeebo theorem....fish never folds.
marlboro1771 6 months ago
So, is that bitch Lady Fingers a cheat, in cahoots with Lancy, or did the Kid just run into a steamroller? What do folks think? Although the movie leaves this open, I'd say they cheated the Kid
5inthehole 6 months ago
@5inthehole
thought so too, she knew him very well from the old days
syntax2010 3 weeks ago
@syntax2010 Did it say that ladyfingers knew Lancy for a long time in the video? I remember hearing they needed dealers with impecable reputations, but did it say ladyfingers knew Lancy for 25 years? So many things make this a great movie, but one of the best is missed by alot of people; did Ladyfingers stack the deck Lancy's way. If I was McQueen, the first bullet hole would land between Ladyfingers eyes, followed by 2 for Lancy!
5inthehole 3 weeks ago
What an awesome scene,,, "Your good kid, but as long as I'm around your second best!!!
diamondmoney007 6 months ago 2
"LADYFINGERS" is a card mechanic working for "The Man" you amateur poker players, Just like that other card mechanic was working for the Kid.
MexicanTuber 6 months ago
Whatever you think about the style of the film you just can't get past how awful this hand is from a poker perspective. Ruined the whole thing.
Oldlard 8 months ago
@Oldlard
I agree with you, but think of it from the other way around, Robinson's hand is so rare (almost impossible) it fits whit the tone of the movie. The Kid is the better player, but Robinson beats him with the last draw of luck.
Every Poker player would think Robinson is bluffing, 'cause the hand is so rare. The shot is 1 to 45 Million.
opiumrebel 7 months ago
@Oldlard And you must think the last hand in Casino Royale 2006 is a good ending right?
MexicanTuber 6 months ago
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this movie is pure class
summ22 8 months ago
Steve McQ, still one of my favorite actors of all time, The Great Escape, Papillion greatness
And damn that Ann Margaret is beautiful
kckcmctcrc 8 months ago
Ann Margaret = So beautiful
kckcmctcrc 8 months ago 2
Malden and McQueen, both in the same movie! Too bad it wasn't a Streets of San Francisco/Bullitt crossover. =(
(for the record, this was long before i was even born and I just stumbled on this vid)
rkmugen 9 months ago
i see were rounders got their idea
cavalierfan1995 10 months ago
"U r good kid, but as long as I'm around u r 2nd best" the old nit got freaking lucky and he's acting like he played really good, man, that's a dumb part 4 real
elzeroooooo 10 months ago
@elzeroooooo Hey, that's Edward G. Robinson, the original motherfucker. Talk trash about the G and you lose at least two sesamoid bones.
Applemask 10 months ago
@elzeroooooo
That was probably the best quote in the movie, and it's still famous =] plus lucky or not though he still won, can't blame him hands down i was going for the kid too =[
9Franco11 9 months ago
Ouch!
lovosazul 10 months ago
4:53
yeah
neighborhoodgasman 11 months ago
Really great movie! Robinson mimes meantime the weak old man, but then towards the end ... Boom!
Breklum 1 year ago
Moral of the story: Edward G. Robinson will always be better than all of us!
Evergreen6991 1 year ago
One reason I can't stand most old movies is just how cheesy they are. I can accept that the technology wasn't that great, so you'll see little in the way of special effects, audio fidelity won't be as good as it could be, etc. I understand that stuff. But there's no excuse for the over-the-top music and rapid cutting when the jack is revealed -- at least, no excuse beyond "that's the way it was done back then". (BTW... the characters had all that money, but couldn't afford a set of chips?)
furrykef 1 year ago
@furrykef
The cutting has nothing to do with the technology or anything. It is a stylistic choice of the director. Cuts like that happen today and they happened then. Cuts like that don't happen today and they didn't happen then--it's all about the director. That particular cutting given the context of the entire film and what is going on with slade and the mechanic etc. works.
elpulpo800 11 months ago
@elpulpo800 -- I'm aware the technology had nothing to do with it; that was my point. I can accept lack of technology more easily than I can accept stylistic choices like the over-the-top music and rapid cutting. I don't think you see it done quite the way it's done here in modern films unless they're deliberately cheesy.
furrykef 11 months ago
@furrykef
I think "modern films" are as "cheesy" as they ever were.
elpulpo800 11 months ago
@furrykef
i think this movie is in no way cheesy, it's pure class. modern crap from hollywood today is what i'd describe as cheesy.
summ22 8 months ago
McQueen dominates the whole game then he gets sucked out worse than anyone in the history of poker this hand and everyone in the room is like "well, looks like you suck, kid."
Bogus.
abermen 1 year ago
At the beginning of the big game it's announced that string bets aren't permitted. But there's a hell of a lot of stringing on display here. The kid's move on fourth street is a string, no?
goback3spaces 1 year ago
The kid should have bet the pot instead of checking to the flush to get him off the hand
jerseyscampi 1 year ago
even if he is the old buck badass, that is a once in lifetime hand for 5 stud. if you catch chances are you wont get called. ive had great wins and bad beats but this is sooooo Hollywood. still one of my fave flicks. i love "you're good kid but as long as I'm around you're second best".
razorbacker63 1 year ago
Ace of Spades, ominous.
mcmanusdown 1 year ago
I love Cab Calloway in this movie!
TheMonsieurVerdoux 1 year ago 7
Straight flush??? Wtf he had a fucked up hand...
Still a masterpiece!
TheMonsieurVerdoux 1 year ago
he played that hand so poorly he deserved to lose.
welshnick300365 1 year ago
@Bez1960 Because that big honker made him big coin. People were so busy looking at his nose, no one took the time to ask if he could act...
5inthehole 1 year ago
owned!
Martinblack187 1 year ago
collusion, obv.
HammerQQ 1 year ago
monster slowroll
tedwilli9 1 year ago 9
@tedwilli9 it's not a slowroll, he showed the straight flush as soon as he said "let's see it"
kevsteele32 1 year ago
@tedwilli9 how do you figure
Kidder15 9 months ago
@tedwilli9 How is this a slowroll? O_o He said "let's see it" and the man turned over the jack instantly.
AikiNickAMV2 3 months ago 4
@Bez1960 - yes, not a happy camper, destroyed himself in a way, sad end to a most terrific actor and a person who did quiet chartiable acts. His movie The Sand Pebbles' got me through tough time.
RIP Steve.
corcaighrebel 1 year ago
That old man played that hand like shit. I wish I can just bet, bet, bet and somehow catch a runner-runner and a one outter to a straight flush. Anybody can play a straight fucking flush to a full house. Props to that kid for not reraising the 5000.
lookaguru 1 year ago
@Bez1960 -The Kid Didn't, as he tells Karl Maldens character that he wants to beat him fair and square. But the movie never answers the question (or asks for that matter) if Lancy and Lady Finger where in Cahoots against The Kid.
5inthehole 1 year ago
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5inthehole 1 year ago
The question I always wondered about (because of the final two hands and the fact that Karl Malden's character wanted to "stack the deck" is this; was Lady Fingers in cahoots with Lancey in stacking the deck against The Kid? With the odds being so long that these two hands would come up (332 Billion- 1), one has to take it into consideration. If I were The Kid, I'd light-up my old six shooter and put one between both Fingers and Lanceys eyes for cheating!!
5inthehole 1 year ago
@GovWillKillU What 'villain"???? HE was an older and better player, not a 'villain'.
PeterFormaini 1 year ago
"He hasn;t got QUEENS - he's got the Jack of Diamonds."
Well DUH - since the Kid has 2 queens beat with his UP cards already. :D
PeterFormaini 1 year ago
so many string bets. lmfao. "I call.........and i raise."
yeah, fellas, you cant do that.
Sev3r333 1 year ago
@Sev3r333 Plus 'string bets' were specifically prohibited when the game began.
Of course, they meant to have them say, " I SEE your bet......ad RAISE you....."
PeterFormaini 1 year ago
@PeterFormaini - "I see you and raise..." is still a string bet. "See" is a synonym for "call" (although, for some reason, I almost always hear it in the context of the classic Hollywood string raise).
furrykef 1 year ago
@furrykef Hold em isn't the only poker game around. Back then it was just how it was said.
mdogg20psn 1 year ago
@mdogg20psn - hold'em has nothing to do with it. Virtually all forms of poker use the same basic betting rules. Also, the line "no string betting" is from the movie itself -- "I call you and raise" (and the variant "I see you and raise") is a string bet no matter what version of poker you're playing, so they are violating the rules that they themselves defined in the movie.
furrykef 1 year ago
@furrykef
You got it all wrong. In casinos, when u say "i call you and raise" the other player can call it as a violation known as a string bet. So it means you only call. But in the movie they say no string betting which means the rule doesnt apply. you cant call the string bet. they can do it
lovac55 11 months ago
@lovac55 - that doesn't make any sense. "String betting" is saying "I call and I raise...". "No string betting" therefore means you cannot say "I call and I raise". "No string betting" doesn't cancel the rule that you can't say "I call and the raise" -- it *is* the rule that says you can't say it.
furrykef 11 months ago
you're good kid, but as long as i'm around you're second best !
kreion 1 year ago
Steve McQueen, the coolest guy on earth
ParisHilton1982 1 year ago
Fucking gay.
loonmaniac 1 year ago
Edward G Roboinson was awesome when he looks at Steve McQueen you feel like hes looking at you almost including you in the hand.Classic
oldrockmanCURCIO 1 year ago
Good film, but if Sam Peckinpah had directed this one, it would have been a wild, wild film. It feels to stagey too much like a commercial studio picture that keeps the sleaze and obsession of this lifestyle at a minimum. The dialogue is too polite. Despite that Eddie Robinson is a gentleman and a joy to watch.
GordonMorrice 1 year ago
With a master poker player, never take a chance they're bluffing
asfsdfgasdgfsdgt 2 years ago
two great actors in a class by themselves , complete naturals , they were perfect for this classic memorable finish ,
VinceLA91 2 years ago
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mulehead126 2 years ago
I always thought a great alternate ending that would fit would be to have Lady Fingers ALSO dealing "an occasional helpful cahd", but to Lancey of course. MAybe she was in a jam and whover the unseen person that took Slade's action was behind that. No one would believe anyone would deal a rigged hand like that! Plus Lady Fingers covers herself questioning Lancey's play.
mulehead126 2 years ago
the only mistake off the kid is to reraise the extra 3500 just a call was good enough, but its a movie.
jajajaja29 2 years ago
@jajajaja29 haha... lol
Yamakashi1 1 year ago
Lancy Howard: '...you're good kid, but as long as I'm around you'll always be second best....might as well learn to live with it...!'
Class!
Noodlehorn 2 years ago
@Noodlehorn
Yeah The Man really stuck the knife in...and twisted it!
mulehead126 2 years ago
@ZGMatara Google 5 Card Stud
fileerror404 2 years ago
And forget the poker rules miscues, etc. What I want to know is how an apparently broke Shooter managed to hold on to such an obvious gold digger/whore like Ann-Margret??? Guess his nose wasn't all that was big...
mulehead126 2 years ago
@mulehead126
Look into her stunning eyes at 1:03. Sure she's a bitch but damn, she looks magnificent.
Corbon440 2 years ago
Another great part of that movie was when Slade asks The Man how he knew he had him beat, and The Man recalls Eddie the Dude telling someone that "You only paid the looking price - lessons are extra..." That pretty much set up the rest of the movie as Slade's attempts to see The Man get "gutted".
mulehead126 2 years ago
Continued...many players in low entry tourneys will play loose early and if they get knocked out, to them it's "So what I get get right in another tourney". If you have the time to devote to what may be a lengthy session, there's money to be made in tourneys. And hey I'll admit it's a lot easier for me to bluff with tournament chips than it is to do so at a no limit cash game!
Just make sure you understand how hand strengths can vastly differ depending on your stack size, blind levels, etc.
mulehead126 2 years ago
So many comments from guys who have lost quit a bit and/or took a bad beat for a lot of coin. When I first started online (but I've played many many years live in "kitchen table" type low stakes games) I played fairly small stakes LIMIT hold 'em. Trouble with those games is so many players will see a lot of flops.
So a suggestion - play sit and gos and tournaments! You know what your investment is, and in tourneys with large fields the potential return is enormous.
mulehead126 2 years ago
Here's a question. What are the odds of these two hands coming up at exactly the same time. Gotta be in the millions maybe higher. The point being that this is a good movie but the final hand is a bit ridiculous. To say the least. Gotta love Edward G. Robinson though....and Ann Margaret too.
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
so, the odds for a straight flush in classic poker are 1:14000 and for a full house 1:650. Combined are smaller of course, but this doesn't mean that it hasnt happened or will not happen again. look in utube, search for "royal flush vs quad aces" and you'll see a same REAL hand in world poker series 2008!
sotirisp16 2 years ago
@sotirisp16 OK.....so I looked it up. From Anthony Holden's book Big Deal. the odds against any full house losing to any straight flush, in a two-handed game, are 45,102,781 to 1," with Holden continuing that the odds against the particular final hand in the movie are astronomical (as both hands include 10s). Holden states that the chances of both such hands appearing in one deal are "a laughable" 332,220,508,619 to 1 (more than 332 billion to 1 against)
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
@sotirisp16 continued: and goes on: "If these two played 50 hands of stud an hour, eight hours a day, five days a week, the situation would arise about once every 443 years." I found it on Wiki....so it may not be correct.....I believe what you are referring to in the WPS 2008 did occur but is Texas Style poker where the players share cards. The five card stud reffered to here in the movie is where the astronomical odds come from...still a great movie though.
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
@Paulmancieri67 I agree the last hand played here seems impossible, but the director wanted to give a vivid picture of the bad beat of the kids great hand! Remember that back in the 60's few people were familiar with poker! As for the hand I was talikng about (in the 2008 WPS), did happen, although the chances were 1 in 2.500.000!! If smthng is improbable, doesnt mean it cant happen. Also the kid's betting in the last hand was suicidal! Reraising after a check/raise-reraise? Never!!
sotirisp16 2 years ago
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sotirisp16 2 years ago
@sotirisp16 I was saying that since the WSOP happened in Texas Style poker then the odds of it happening are(and it did) much more possible. 2.5 mill to 1 in Texas and 332 billion to 1 in stud is a huge difference. I could be wrong because I am only pointing out what Holden said in his book. When I originally saw this I just thought the hand a bit over the top, Jewison had portrayed the game so realistically till then........but good point about the Kid making a bad bet.
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
I agree that the check-raise at the end was suicidal, because there is no reason to do it without having a full house. He played it fairly standard up until that point, but the money would go in no matter what. That said the man's betting up till the very last card was even more suicidal, He should have folded after seeing the pair of 10's, but then again it's a movie.
Mitjitsu 2 years ago
How are the odds of the texasholdem hand in the James Bond movie "Casino Royal". (Flush in Full haouse in Nut Full House in stright Flush),another "Hollywood hand",ibet 10000000000000 to 1 or so.
Fahnenwache 2 years ago
Not bad play... the man see that he can win the whole stack+5000$ in his wallet if he hit (implied odds) ... but amateur game rules
Fahnenwache 2 years ago
I think the kid was foolish...
essertpitay 2 years ago
question, when can you look at the card which is dealt face down?
jackal568 2 years ago
This scene has always buggged me ... on fourth street the Kid's got aces up and the very best the Man could have is a pair of queens (and the gut shot straight flush and flush draws) the Kid figures him for Queens (if this were true the man would have to call a really large bet) so why didnt the kid tax him for everything he had then borrow some more and tax him that. He let him see fifth street for 3K what bullshit!! after an obviously very well researched movie how could they end it like this
kdiggydig 2 years ago
kid : 10-10-A-A and has the master on QQ he wants to pot comit or chop him for 3k and let him catch a 2 pair, he dont want to go all in and making the master to fold.
well i guess he is concern about the flush draw too but he rivers the FH and no way he cant fold.
davidmgm 2 years ago
6:30 "You're good kid, but as long as I am around you will be second best."
Chrisrocks007 2 years ago
Best 2 actors to ever portray poker pros. ALL OTHERS HAVE FAILED MISERABLY. The improbability of the 2 hands in 5 Stud, string bets, & waiving of table stakes aside, this is still the best poker movie.
For all the wannabe poker analysts, McQueen misplayed the hand by NOT moving in with 1 to come. He had to protect 2 pair against a possible straight flush draw & he bets 3k into a 5k pot? The misrepresented Qs on 3rd st had zero to do with that decision. If he believed that, a Q also beats him.
rogerrodd 2 years ago
guess u can take money out of your pocket and string bet. I can live with the no burn cards. Another accurate poker script. Give up your poker dream im sure you play as good as the rules were followed.
skinhorse13 2 years ago
WHAT KIND OF POKER ARE THEY PLAYING ?
estesoyojajaja 2 years ago
5 card stud
Ensureqwerty 2 years ago
This pretty much sums up poker imo. I know that the chance of this happening is next to impossible but bad beats just keep coming. I'm an inspiring poker player- with a dream to play with the pro's but I'm down $175 in my career stats, lol.
IDK why but poker is like my life. Ever since I first saw Phil Ivey I wanted it. I've lost so much money in poker to insanely bad beats you wouldn't believe. The sick feeling you get in your gut is only one a poker player knows.
Anyone relate?
cobb864 2 years ago
just manage ur bankroll
Yamakashi1 2 years ago
I feel ya man. When I first started playing a couple of years ago I made the fatal mistake of going straight to the $1-$2 blinds and I lost well over a thousand dollars. That sick feeling you get is the worst, it is like a mixture of depression and bad gut rot, physical and mental affliction.
I'm starting to get a lot better now, but I can see why many gamblers have suicidal thoughts, it's not a game for the faint of heart.
Ensureqwerty 2 years ago
bankrollmanagement tard, and $175 isnt much, its what i was down yesterday, another day, another dollar, who cares
19pascal90 2 years ago
Why be a dick about it man?
Why am I a retard for placing a statement on here. Could you not give your advice without insulting me? I'm fully aware of how to manage a bankroll and that you should play games that you have 20 buy-ins to and so forth. I was just trying to double up a few times so I actually had a nice bankroll to work with.
I'm glad your in a position to lose that much and it not hurt. I'm financially hurting- I'm laid off.
Next time- do you have to be an asshole to share? Srly.
cobb864 2 years ago
I also wanted to add--
I'm a live player. I've played live most of my life and do very well. I've mad a lot of money playing in real life. I've also managed to spend the money because I was making a living on it for a while.
As far as online poker- not so much. I've played many great people. Online just seems rigged in some way. Like they give two people good hands and one had is meant to win each time. I don't know.
Peace. Thanks for info but try to be cool dude. Why hate and shit?
cobb864 2 years ago
My excuses for the lame reaction, I was just tilted at the time of writing I guess.
Also, online poker may seem rigged, but independent researchers found that dealing of the cards is completely random. The fact that it seems you get so much beats, is because of the fact you play way more hands per hour than you would play live.
If you prefer playing live above playing online, you should play live ofcourse!
I may have the rol to be ableto lose that amount of money, it still can get me tilted
GL!
19pascal90 2 years ago
Pascal--
Hey man. It's all good I completely understand. We all get on here in a bad mood and comment due to our emotions from time to time. Plus, when someone is tilting it's going to be ugly- when they comment- haha!
I've gotten better with my online play- been practicing a lot. I understand what you mean about the hands. Still can't help but notice that I always get rivered- but it happens.
Also, my medium-high pair never holds up- but does for my opponent! Drive me nuts- that's the grind!
cobb864 2 years ago
So, no hard feelings dude.
I'm just a small time player with a very, very, very small bankroll. Lost a good chunk of it yesterday in a heads-up game. I had As Qs vs Kh Jc. I went all in- and he called. I think it's a fish move to call all-in with K-J off-suit- but he did. I had the gut feeling I would lose and I did.
He caught a freaking straight-flush. Not just a flush by miracle- a straight too. Made me sick to my stomach. Lost a chunk of my roll. Now, I'm playing ring games- low limits.
cobb864 2 years ago
ummmmm what are the odds of these two hands showing up at the same time. I am going to guess in the millions....seems to me that the kid makes the right bet. Robinson was a fool for staying in that hand.
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
String bet on McQueen
stats79 2 years ago
RIP Karl
blbrooks67 2 years ago
In Richard Jessup's novel it's mentioned near the end how the Kid went up against Lancey Howard a second time, in Miami. Bigger audience . . . and got trounced again.
Setebos 2 years ago
dude at 4:54 is super creepy....
zunni74 2 years ago
Totally agree!!
The kind of dude you wouldn't want minding your kids for the weekend at his place....lol!!
wesleyhoulihan 2 years ago
Cliner97
If I'm the lonely, neurotic loser you think I am, then ask yourself why you're going to such lengths to point it out. Hope you win your next game of solitaire.
bsharpinLondon 2 years ago
This scene is ridiculous. After the 3rd up-card, the old man had the 8, 10, jack, and queen. The only possible way he could win that hand was if his final up-card was the 9 of diamonds. It wasn't even an open-ended chance at the straight flush; it was a gun shot. To bet the way he did knowing he couldn't win unless he got that one card is just not plausible. As dramatic as the scene appears, it is contrived BS.
bsharpinLondon 2 years ago
of course it is..it was a movie.not a documentary
ishredu 2 years ago
Hey BDull: Learn to play poker. A flush beats two pair or three of a kind which was the only possible hand the kid could have had at that moment. Any diamond as the hold card would have won. If he did not get the straight flush on the river he would have folded when the kid fired.
blbrooks67 2 years ago
The issue wasn't about the moment; the issue was about the fact that the kid had far more possibilities of ending up with a full house than he did of catching the straight flush. He had to get the 9 of diamonds to beat the possible full house. The kid had two pair and the old man had to assume that. The 10 of diamonds was already up in Ed's hand. Therefore there were still three chances of his catching the full house.
bsharpinLondon 2 years ago
How is it that when he turns over the jack, the room's completely silent?
the dude just hit a string-flush, the crowd should least have some reaction
champs2510 2 years ago
can anyone spell string bet
SlutSmasher66 2 years ago
I want to apologise for last night. I was really, really drunk........
Kelly14UK 2 years ago
Because he was man enough to not care about your opinion.
Kelly14UK 2 years ago
talk about your all-time slow rolls
kmancinelli 2 years ago
He paid the rent with that nose.
MisterMisc 2 years ago 11
A Quinn Martin Production....
Kelly14UK 2 years ago
Norman Chad
MaxEm87 3 years ago
Head to head play, 5-card stud? This bad beat is probably billions to one. But not in Hollywood, of course. For what it's worth, I think this scene is poorly directed. Stodgy, predictable, with rotten handling of the spectators. (All of them delivering their "off-the-cuff" observations on cue.) Compare this with the poker scene in MCCABE AND MRS. MILLER and you'll see the difference between art and crap.
goback3spaces 3 years ago
withs straight flushes and an 8 year old kid could be the best around , lucky bastard
Ali751990 3 years ago 2
JESUS all you are ripping Clancy for sucking out, but what was a worse move, the semi-bluff to suckout, or kid check-raising and not check-calling the $1k on the end?
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i vote fore the check-raise being a FAR worse move here than the suckout.
AtheistsAreGODS 3 years ago
Apparently Steve Mcqueen sucks at poker. Horrible move all-in at the end. Smooth call that $1k kid! Jeez!
AtheistsAreGODS 3 years ago
"your good kid, but as long as i'm around you'll always be second best"
i have heard that before, is this where it originated?
its so much more bad ass hearing it here.
maverick916 3 years ago
yeah aces full and a royal in 5 card stud lol
wpodin1488 3 years ago
How did he know about the jack? Is that some kind of poker instinct or is it allowed to look at the first card (the one with face down)?
jackal568 3 years ago
It's 5 card stud poker.
jerseyscampi 3 years ago
What is this type of poker called?
Can someone tell me, please?
rednosedraindeerr 3 years ago
What is meaning "check to the possible?".
steeeeevve 3 years ago
"Check to the possible" means that your not going to bet and you're going to leave the betting up to the other person. The "possible" refers to the possible straight flush.
camaro105 3 years ago
check to the poissible straight flush.
zibbyblahblah 3 years ago
Why does she tap the fuckin table?
steeeeevve 3 years ago
It signals all bets are made and the next card is coming.
jchung2527 3 years ago
priceless line: Your good kid, but as long as im around, your second best.
Ninearm 3 years ago
The odds against any full house being beaten by any straight flush, in a two-handed game, are 45,102,784:1.
Given that the Kid's full house contains tens, and that one ten is already in his opponent's hand, the chances that both these hands will appear in one deal of two-handed, five-card stud, is a mild 332,220,508,619:1
...no wonder the kid is like wtf when the Jack is turned
MorningstorM1 3 years ago 3
dude by the time the jd is turned, it's only 1 in 43 of that happening. get over yourself
SteepDescent 3 years ago
are you retarded?
of course you cant consider the last card by itself. you are a moron.
SlutSmasher66 3 years ago
Moringstor said "No wonder the kid is like wtf when the J is turned" . He was trying to spurt his knowledge like some sickcunt.
Again, that is only 1 in 43. On the FINAL decision in the hand, it is 1 in 43. There is only a decision to be made IF the kid has the fullhouse. Ergo he obviously only needs to consider this 1 in 43 chance AT THAT MOMENT. If you do not understand that please give up.
SteepDescent 3 years ago
what the fuck are you talking about you moron
you obviously dont understand the game because you need to consider how the man has taken his line the whole hand with this card. if you want to consider to numbers consider the j(d) of being the difference between 1 in 8 billion, and 1 in 300 billion. if this isnt the smallest cause for wonder then please, im sorry your majesty
please fuck and die. you are wasting precious oxygen for the rest of us :)
MorningstorM1 3 years ago
Wonder? It's a fucking film, Templeton.
But yes, if you deal 10 cards, and the first 5 make a straight flush and the next 5 give aces full, then I will consider numbers (even though in reality the same odds apply regardless of what's printed on the cards).
BUT in this case, there is nothing to consider except 1 in 43. The money DID NOT, I REPEAT DID NOT go in before any cards were dealt.
SteepDescent 3 years ago
you are arguing a lost cause. stop trying to convince us that in a heads up game, being dealt a full house vs straight flush is not amazing.
you dont understand that its irrelevant whether its the last card or not. why consider the last step of a long chain of events?
its like saying that its no wonder youre live and able to try to throw shit, because your animal parents had a fuck. feel free to not take into account the infinite occurences through the universe to result in little old you.
MorningstorM1 3 years ago
It's not amazing because a) it's a movie, and b) it's the same odds as being dealt 3s6c9d10c8s vs 2c2d4cJdJs.
The final decision was made on the final card. The man's line is irrelevant; he was merely content on seeing all 5 cards regardless of the kid's line. So on 5th street the kid needs to consider what one thing...hmm oh that's right: 1 IN FUCKING 43!
SteepDescent 3 years ago
no straight flush always beats a full house
hbsux 3 years ago
The final decision was made on the final card. The man's line is irrelevant; he was merely content on seeing all 5 cards regardless of the kid's line. So on 5th street the kid needs to consider what one thing...hmm oh that's right: 1 IN FUCKING 43!
SteepDescent 3 years ago
you're really beginning to struggle now.
i didnt say i was amazed. i realise its a movie. i said the kid was. it was a light hearted comment that did not necessitate your moronic reply
your 'he was merely content on seeing all 5 cards regardless of the kid's line' doesnt even deserve a reply. you are wrong. he is 'the man' for a reason, because he makes the smart move, and does not see all 5 cards 'regardless of the kid's line'. ipso facto shut up about the '1 in 43' thing.
SlutSmasher66 3 years ago
Light hearted comment or not, it seemed like he wanted to be praised for looking up the stats and rattling off huge numbers. Clap clap. But then he goes and shoes his ignorance by saying "when the j is turned". Uhhh, no, the kid is not taking into account 320 billion combinations "when the j is turned" ... he is taking into account a 1 in 43 decision on whether to make the final call or not.
SteepDescent 3 years ago
but really, i dont know why im wasting my time.
i thought you actually knew what you were talking about at first. but then i watched your videos and realised you are one of those smart alec people who post mock SnGs.
let me say one last time. you are not funny. you dont know what you're talking about. you are not worth talking to. you are a waste of space and of our planet's resources. good bye.
SlutSmasher66 3 years ago
Why do poker players say this is crazy? Dont some people hit the jackpot at the lottery every week? Whatever its 6 numbers out of 45 or 7 out of 39? Great ani gambling movie! 5 stars!
DirtyHarryinaction 3 years ago
anyone knows where can i watch this movie online for free :) any site you can recommend? thanks
mikesl500 3 years ago
you won't find it anywhere i looked for months on all the main sites and even downloaded some torrents which turned out to be other things. then i just conceded defeat and bought it on DVD. you can get it for pretty cheap if you shop around.
Raskolnikov32 3 years ago
thank you :)
mikesl500 3 years ago
no problem.
Raskolnikov32 3 years ago
The Man is a donk
slowplayking 3 years ago
The odds of both hands being played in one hand heads up is over 300 billion to 1.
00700790210 3 years ago
I am sure Phil Hellmuth would say "jopke"
somefellow12345 3 years ago
If he was the kid, he'd be whining about this hand for the rest of his life. For once, though, I'd give him a pass for it.
kevinmmmk 3 years ago
This final showdown has been laughed out of town for being so unrealistic.
TRYEUGF 3 years ago
However, there is always a certain degree of uncertainty. He may have had a slight chance of winning if he did pick up the scare card (one of the three queens) for a bluff. In other words it would have been a really close decision. Also, he knew it would be unlikely for the Kid to improve (3 outs, one of the Kid's outs [the ten of diamonds] was dead, on the Man's board). Even without considering the implied odds, I think the Man made the right decision (albeit a risky one!)
EmilNoldSinclair 4 years ago 5