Myth or Truth, is Hexavalent Chromium in the Electrolyte

[345greg]

These test kits are sensitive to all forms of Chromium, so it does not prove it's

Hexavalent Chromium!

[dzgfdg]

why can't u use gold plates, cheaper than platinum at least

[housemd0666]

how do you safely dispose it or is there a way to create hho without forming hexavalent chromium

[brathat]

Could you please give the exact source for this test? Spelling, phone # etc? Thanks!

[BasementBen]

I've got a theory, since HC, is CrO6

(chrome with 6 oxygens?)

Then it must be able to be reduced, say the water from electrolyte is evaporated, junk is left as a powde. And then take the powder and mix with charcoal powder, and seal in a fire-proof container. Get it hot, (1000 +- degrees F?) and the carbon should strip off the oxygens for it can burn.

Any input? I think this might work, idk.

Ben.

[BasementBen]

No, Wikipedia states >

HC, is chromiumTrioxide. CrO3

Just the sixth oxidation state? :)

Ben.

[RupertsCrystals]

So the Hexavalent Chromium ends up in the electrolyte? Does it also come out in gas form during generation?

[eloid777]

what about use neickel plates,,,

anyone have a cheap source.... for nickel plates

[ChrisPCrunchy]

Chromium in the ss is not in the +6 oxidation state.... it is held in solid solution within the SS

Hexavalent chromium refers to chemical compounds that contain the element chromium in the +6 oxidation state.

[flyingdoctorcee]

hi, does anyone know if titanium plates were used,would it cure this problem?.also this problem is not being blown out of proportion ! if you consider the potential amount of people using this tecnology!.If you have any data on titanium plates please post the info ,this is a major priority for hho tec.

[InventorGadget]

there is no chromium in titanium plates.. In SS it's used as anti-rust compound, and seems to lech out during high amp. electrolysis.

[MattiasOfTheMetal]

@InventorGadget Is there an article or an area as to where I can find evidence in this argument? Thanks

[Willbyron75]

Great Video mate, I had no clue about Hex C6 until I found this vid its a shame I didnt find you last year !

[tjgame2]

There is no industry that needs the HC for something. Is it some thing that can be electro plated back out of the water onto like copper so its not in the water.

[gregingerson]

so what does this mean? where should one get rid of the byproduct?

[arjacarjac]

You have to lower the pH and add sodium metabisulphate then raise the pH until the solution turns Red. This means all Cr6+ componds have been reduced to Cr3+ (Trivalent Chromium) which is benine.

[eloid777]

pls retry the expeciment with this idea...

gsn you use vingar to raise the ph?

[NOBOX7]

you ar awsome brotha do keep up the good work pleas do a static test to show that plain water wont do what we seen

thanks alot i owe you one o got htis stuff

on my fingers and i heard it permeats skin

"leaches into are body"

[Sumermagor]

you can make no hexavalent chromium by using copper neutrals, and alu bronze positive electrode, for the negative is stainless

[audiegates]

I asked a few manufactures if they were telling their customers about this hazard when they buy their units and got no response yet.... maybe they didn't know either &dumping the"rusty stuff" out on the ground like everyone else...

[samking12]

how bad is that Hexavalent chromium breathing or touching?

[qhack]

Some place I saw where table sugar can turn Cr(VI) into the safer Cr(III). Any chance you could rerun the test after mixing sugar with the waist electrolyte? If it works, it would be the holy grail of disposal.

[qhack]

Spill chicken good, need grandma checkers...

That should read waste not waist.

[audiegates]

Just for an experiment, try running your (test)engine on the waste water: since the chromium depletion is the problem, maybe it is also the key?

[redclaw4444]

oops i meant NaOH instead of KaOH.

[InstallGuys]

Same scenario. The chromium leaches from the stainless steal.

[redclaw4444]

What if your Eletrolyte were to be KOH (potassium hydroxide) instead of KaOH (Sodium Hydroxide)

[YappaH2O]

So is there any real use for the waste product of our HHO generators then? Or are we essentially now just creating another waste product that will eventually pollute the world?

I heard someone say 'evaporate the water from the Hexavalent Chromium...' does this insinuate that there is a way to decontaminate the water after it has been used? And can this be efficient and cost effective?

......

[YappaH2O]

....Water's the most valuable source we have on the planet, although I still agree that HHO generators could be the way of the future (I wouldn't have spent so much time tinkering if I didn't :P ) I am now a little worried that it could lead to the contamination of our most valuable life source.

I'm not a chemistry wizz so someone out there might help me to put my mind at ease with this. - I'm probably blowing this all out of proportion :P

Thanks for the great vid MrSalty

[ardentscientist]

I'm going to experiment with nickel plating over copper plates. I'm going to use the high phosphorous formula with 1000 hour salt spray test. This should do the trick.

[davidrrrd]

it is used in production of 304 ss

but not found in 316L ss

or "food grade ss"

[UNCWMrSalty]

That may be true but 316L does contain Chromium and therefore will leach out via electrolsis, the L stands for LOW CARBON CONTENT, as in carbon steel, hence why it does not rust as easily.

[InstallGuys]

316L contains 16-20 percent chromium in it's chemical composition.

[ablefarms]

If you can, try a test with baking soda/bicarb. No doubt your water is saturated via accumulation. Maybe the auto paint industry will pay us for making this stuff.

[westedgehho]

I read somewhere that if the electrolite was baking soda then there would be no Hexavalent Chromium created. That generally it is the KOH and NaoH that help creat this... is there any truth to that?

[UNCWMrSalty]

No, that is not true

[h2opower]

Thanks for the info:)

[screwball3z]

although it probably does not matter, which electrolyte did you use?

[UNCWMrSalty]

that bucket catches it all, some with NaOH and some NaHCO3.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

VERY well done. Were your plates 304 or 316?

[AlmostHydrogen]

BTW great vid MrSalty!

very good info to pass along!

[AlmostHydrogen]

Hex Chrom is in nature but used in lots of products/processes. A strong oxidizer & produces hard coatings; used in concrete, paints for cars, boats, airplanes, & many other apps.

"1/2 part per million of hex chrome"

I read one med test report with hex chrome & it showed patients sensitive to hex chrom showed a minimum eczema elicitation at 1 ppm.

So we do need to take care with this stuff, dispose appropriately, but its not the plague or black death as some think.

Just be safe w/ it.

:D

[SissySathre]

I live in Midland Tx, and we have 5250 PPB in some wells in the area. My well is between 250 ppb and 350 ppb. My Grand-daughter has contact rash from it for 18 months before we found out about it. I would if this test could help us. The state has installed filter, but stop working with out notice!

[ehnriko]

Great Video!!! Just what we need!

[ILoveMyCatx10]

Like useing sergical gloves when handling it and dumping the water down the toilet and sending it through a wastewater treatment plant might be better than dumping it on the ground. This could kill the onboard HHO generator if we arent careful. Question is how do we remove this chemical from the water? It has been here since before the Onboard Hydrogen Generator.

Thanks for the test, Retired wwto.

[HHO2Burn]

Dumping it down the drain or in the toilet is illegal. The waste water needs to be taken to hazmat disposal - just like a battery. I run a sewage treatment plant, so trust me, there is nothing in the treatment process that would get rid of Hexavalent Chromium.

[ILoveMyCatx10]

The best way to get rid of it is to evaperate the water off save the solids then dispose of them with hasmat. I ran a WWTF and a Petrolrum cleanup site for 10 years.

The taxpayers will own it forever. It eventually goes somewhere like kettlemen city where it is stored foreverrrr!

So all I'm saying is it is a serious problem that must be delt with in the long run! For All of us. Don't get me wrong I am a believer of Onboard Gen. HHO it has great potential of being the fuel of the future.

[ILoveMyCatx10]

Good catch HVC should be a concern. Chromium VI has been found in ground water for the last 10 years. HVC is useh in the production of Stainless Steel. People should be careful not to inhail HVC and use caution to not come in contct it on skin and eyes definatly dont drink it. Prolonged contact with it may cause serious problems if not handled carefully and disposed of correctly.

[Rufe0]

I doubt that the amounts used in any hydrogen generator for a vehicle would ever be large enough to cause an issue but i still wouldn't drink it

[crob227]

how harmful Hexavalent Chromium, does it also showup if you use distilled water with no electrolyte?

[goldenequity]

Yes. ALL electrodes (mostly anode) do sacrifice into ANY solution.... SS renders Cr(VI).