Kyl Not Sure Lack Of Insurance And Death Are Linked

[bleunt]

Wait, America's fighting Al-Qaida in Afghanistan? I thought they fought the Talibans.

[tonytonytone2]

Republican Tool.

[cat00012000]

Is there a bigger creep around? I know people out west don't want to get involved, but sending a jerk like this to Washington isn't helping them. They are just screwing themselves over.

[elfyboy]

In the words of the immortal George Carlin: They don't care about you; they don't care about you -- THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU!

[youbestbequiet]

1510 pages of health refraud, I mean reform. All I can say is those who wish for passage...Be careful what you wish for. Your checks will be smaller..ALOT SMALLER and those of us with Health Insurance already will pay more. I will gladly pay more to avoid being in some public welfare system. Dr's already have said the better ones will not accept the public option so you will be stuck looking for ones that do which means LONG LINES AND LESS SERVICE.

[almamatters2471]

what an idiot.

then again, he is no different than the 534 other idiots up on the Hill.

[knobrocker]

Why didn't the host or the other senator call him on this?

[saltythebear]

wow what an asshole

[CommonSenseJoe]

He is absolutely right. People die who have health insurance. It is a flawed assumption to think that a lack of health insurance means you will die.

[crtnyevans]

more people do die because a lack of insurance. Thats a fact. He is wrong.

[baker98745]

Unbelievable. That is just categorically wrong. If you get cancer, and you dont have health insurance, then your not gonna get treated, and your gonna die. Period.

Commonsensejoe, you need some commoneducation.

[CommonSenseJoe]

What about Medicaid? Does it no longer exist? Did it magically stop paying for cancer? How about spending some of your own money for treatment?

[taoofmichael]

I think what the Harvard study cited by Alan Grayson, and many others, shows, is that we have statistics: 44,000 people will die this year BECAUSE they do not have health insurance.

To say this is not a fact, is to question the methods of the Harvard study, or question its conclusions. Is he doing that? No. He is just pretending the study doesnt exist. Or that his Republican constituents wont read it, or hear about it, or will believe him in spite of the science. Republicans = trained ignorance

[CommonSenseJoe]

First, the study is based on old data and has dubious assumptions. People do not die from not having insurance. They die from an illness. The study assumes that if they had insurance they would not have die. That is a flawed assumption. The author of the study is a known liberal who has an agenda.

[taoofmichael]

So you question the methods of the study. You say it uses old data, and doesnt draw logical conclusions from the data it uses. Good for you.

Most Republicans dont bother to engage logic. It hurts their heads.

[CommonSenseJoe]

Most liberals accept any and every "study" that reinforces what they want to do anyway.

[leavepalinalone]

Amen brother Joe, I know you are right cause I heard it on Faux News. We must defeat the twin evils in the world; terrorist abroad and those godless liberals at home. People wake up and donate your money to the Glenn Beck / Rush Limbaugh Chairty "White Single Moms in need".

[CommonSenseJoe]

Thank you...thank you :)

[CLAMBERITE]

Hey Joe. Even a liar tells the truth sometimes. How do you know the study is flawed? I am not being facetious. It is so important to our country that we get this right. If the study is incorrect, and you know it, please tell us how you know? Give us some meat here. It can help us to come to the right conclusion. So many people make statements with no factual basis that we are all confused so help us out, OK? (I would tend to believe a Harvard study without question so this is important)

[CommonSenseJoe]

The authors concede they have not proven the lack of health insurance causes those deaths. In fact, they concede, Unmeasured characteristics (i.e., that individuals who place less value on health eschew both health insurance and healthy behaviors) might offer an alternative explanation for our findings. The authors report that Uninsurance was associated with younger age, minority race, unemployment, smoking, (less) exercise, lower levels of education and income (and) regular alcohol use.

[CLAMBERITE]

Hey Joe-How about a link or something of substance with the quotes you cite. Like Reagan said- "Trust but verify". Just because you said it doesn't make it so. I would like to see some article or video of what you are claiming. Can you do it?

[frigoria]

WHAT A BASTARD!!!

[AFXE]

Not only is that Republicans argument full of many questionable assumptions and assertions but it really highlights not only the Republicans priorities, but most of the elites. No question when money is spent on elite social programmes (like tax cuts for the rich, increased military spending in wars only profitable for the rich and bailouts) but when its spent on the people, as in this health care reform or schools and infrastructure it is suddenly a massive deal threatening the US's future...

[oolong2]

These fuckers don't get it...

3k dead on 911... Yet there has been probably over 100k dead since then because AMERICANS DON'T HAVE HEALTHCARE. Not to mention the 5k+ dead soldiers wasted on these wars.

DO THE MATH!!!!

[fl00ders]

That's designed to never end...

[RoseSkye]

I'm not sure that guns or death are linked.

[wimscheers]

If a the war would be fought in an inefficient way, you can bet 'more money and more troops' would be his main talking point. If the health of your own citizens is handled in a brutally inefficient way, spending some money isn't even an option.

[skyzefawlun]

The US must declare war on the sun! That's right, the sun kills almost 9000 people in the US a year! The sun is like 911 times 3! The sun is like 2733! It's time to go to war against the Sun and Melanoma now before it's too late!

[bricefabber]

Well.... technically, that's part of healthcare too. So, bringing health care reform would effectively declare a war on melanoma. But I really enjoyed your comment. Thumbs up!

[wimscheers]

"The US must declare war on the sun!" Wow! I didn't know all this. How does a British paper get away with this? And on the off chance you mean the shiny thing in the middle of our solar system, they have the same name, surely they must be connected! Let's invade Britain to make sure.

[hellshade2]

this kyl guy shows he's all for war and not for the american people. give me a break with these republican asses and thier high and mighty bullshit morals. they talk good about family values and all that but when it comes down to it they don't give a fuck about your family or even thier own. how many republicans caught cheating on thier wives? or toe tapping in airport stalls looking for a good time. fuck these people and thier family values. it's all lip service to win votes...

[carrierexchange]

If we think about it, it may be the devil and not the lack of insurance. SIGH!

[MrHelldogger]

Somebody slap this little prick. And Kyle stupidly keeps on talking to him instead of laughing. 12 American citizens die everyday at the hands of illegal invaders. Whatcha gonna do 'bout that you little commie puke? 1.5 mil little babies murdered in the womb every year. Whatcha gonna do 'b out that.

[PersonalJesus348]

win a war we never declared...

[ZuttaJedi]

War on cigarettes? I guess second hand smoke is harmful, but cigarette smokers have the option to quit or not smoke at all. Accidents happen and the first thing on Americans' minds is, "I can't afford the ambulance to save me."

[gone2cast]

if the gov wants to tax people then they have to provode the services the people collectively pay for. its a basic system and not at all complicated.

[monalisasmiles4you]

NOT SURE?!?! How can he not be sure? Like, DUUUUHHH!!!!!

Moron.

[markcerny]

I think that the largest health insurance corporations should be put on a payment plan to help defray the cost WE now bear in curtailing the worst of the excesses of THEIR aggressive pursuit of maximized profit over maximized life.

[CamouflageCinemas]

I give up, does he really mean that or is this a political troll?

[CamouflageCinemas]

I'm sorry, who put this guy in charge again? Oh right

[JBeatty17]

Way to point out the hypocrisy of the Big Government Neoconservative movement. There are very few Goldwater Republicans left these days.

[thequantumflux]

I thought Goldwater was a dirty word in the Gop of today.

[dennist3hmenace]

If you're a neocon then yeah, Goldwater is a bad guy. You have to understand that the GOP of today are not conservatives at all. The republican platform is supposed to support limited, or small government, but the neocons just want their own version of big government.

[1samothrace77]

maybe it is just me but didn't the people that carried out 9/11 die fiery violent deaths. why are we looking to fight ideas with bombs?

[SamariaTV]

Remove these "elected officials".

We dont have to wait, we can remove them right now or as fast as the banker crooks got our money and went on vacation with it.

[Iceberg6606]

Kyl's got his head in the sand on that one.

[CrocodileMonkey]

only if there is sand in his ass

[fishhead06]

In other words, limousine bloodshed, tinker toy health care.

[ManhunterFromMars]

I grew up in Arizona and it is a great state, it's too bad that it's represented so many crazy right wingers like Kyl. Trent Franks is another bad one. Rick Renzi was too. Sigh.

[mephesh]

shocker

[BayAreaLen]

"War against terrorists" huh?

America is so stupid that we justify our own "order."

[danny5534]

they killed 3000 of us so you go to iraq and kill 100 thousand.

justified.

[mrbhave]

Didn't MOST of the terrorists who killed 3,000 on 9/11 die, too?

Isn't Congress the only legal branch who can declare war?

Isn't it time for Kyl to retire?

[RUKiddinMeHuh]

Does anyone else think that total lack of preventative care might be linked to death and/ or lower quality of life? Is this idea that far out there?

[loki3692]

For more troops and against health care for all...... Grayson was right they just want us to die fast!

[TheManSand322]

---- America is a Joke because Americans are a bunch of Clowns

[RodgersRevolution]

Oh look everyone. Another Canadian.

[TheManSand322]

Read all the other comments and maybe you will see what the rest of the world already knows...

America is the home of crooks and criminals, liars and cheaters.

. The only people who don't realize this are Americans.... because you're all brain washed, dumbed down and can't think for yourselfs!

[RodgersRevolution]

Gee thanks man who does not live here. I think for myself all the time. I just won't listen to foreigners.

[clevomon]

Now let's just put aside for a moment whether or not your argument is well-stated, well-argued, or even factually correct. Just what are you hoping to accomplish by posting that on a video that plenty of Americans are going to themselves visit (since it has to do with American politics), and most of whom will bristle at the statement? Let's put aside whether or not I can think for myself for a moment and just follow that train of thought, shall we? ^_^

[TheManSand322]

Sounds like you can't handle the truth!

[clevomon]

In other words, nothing. Okay, I'm done.

[EmperorAtahualpa]

Liar! Crook!

[doink1422]

more than 3000 a year die because of bad or no health insurance. If there were T.V. cameras filming like 9/11 all this republicans could not ignore it like they are now.

[maizeysugah]

tHIS IS THE GUY WHO THINKS INSURANCE SHOULDN'T HAVE MATURNITY CARE BECAUSE he DOESN'T NEED IT. fUCK THIS PRIMATE.

[baronmorris]

PUBLIC OPTION VERY NECESSARY!UHC CEO Stephen Hemsley has $745 MILLION in stock options. 2007 pay $13.2mil; 2008 $3.2 mil.

CIGNA CEO Edward Hanway made $120mil in last 5yrs. Stock options = $28mil.

Humana CEO Michael McCallister's made $10.3mil in 07. $1,017,308 in 08. Stock options = $60mil.

LARGEST GOLDEN PARACHUTE in history of corporate America goes to William McGuire of UnitedHealth 1.4 BILLION DOLLARS!

How many DENIED angiograms MRI's & dialysis treatments does that take?

BLOOD MONEY!

[GreenEnergy2112]

Kyl " If you fall from a tree is gravity responsible? Hum I'm not sure"

[WKaliberr]

Kyl is an idiot

[baronmorris]

that's an insult to idiots. some idiots are very nice people. ;-)

[VeryEvilPettingZoo]

Wow - a republican senator will say anything to defend the huge profits of big companies, even if it means thousands of ordinary Americans will needlessly die. I'm fucking shocked! Seriously, unless your mind has been vacationing in talk-radio-land your whole life, this is no big surprise. It's who they are.

[maskedphrogg]

That figure is soundly less than the 100k+ that die annually from properly prescribed and administered pharmaceuticals.

Those are AMA figures. In layman's terms a doctor prescribed a pharma product using AMA accepted standards for it's use and then the pharma product was given to the victim (patient) in the dosage that is recommended by that same clique of vampires (doctors). Death was the patient responce to the pharma therapy given.

Where's the outrage for this self-reported by Doctors fact?

[VeryEvilPettingZoo]

1) Death from pharma dosage/usage errors is a very big issue. Did anyone ever say otherwise?

2) Addressing it is internal to the medical profession. Procedural reforms can help, but to a certain extent it's a fact of life. I'm not minimizing it by saying that.

3) That issue has nothing to do with the GOP's evil or the current healthcare reform.

4) Did you just call doctors vampires? You're confused. The current problem is pretty much every segment of healthcare EXCEPT the doctors/nurses/etc.

[maskedphrogg]

Let me get this straight, calling it Health Care reform though it doesn't deal with Health Care but w/payment programs is OK with you?

What other spins to avoid discussing purposely mislabeled topics are you fond of?

And why do you think these issues that are directly related to health care should be swept under the rug?

Paying for health care while denying these other problems exist IS the problem. I will resist being forced to fund a system that does so much damage.

[VeryEvilPettingZoo]

I called it a "very big deal." I tempered my "to a certain extent it's [mistakes are] a fact of life" with "I'm not minimizing it by saying that." The medical profession tracts this (you used AMA numbers) and thinks it's a big deal. Your claim that I'm using "spins to avoid discussing purposely mislabeled topics" and trying to have it "swept under the rug" are clearly not justified. It's a very big deal - but it's simply not the issue under consideration with the current health care reform.

[maskedphrogg]

That's my point. Congress etal are calling it Health Care Reform and it doesn't address health care but the means of paying for and/or not paying for health care. Real health care reform would address the noxious issues in what is deemed to be health care that too often ends up more damaging than self diagnosis and care.

If these issues were present in ANY other industry such an uproar would be raised that industry would find it difficult to do business at all. Payment issues are a distraction

[sirdaveysockrocker]

i dont know if HELL exists, but if it does, and the rules as we know them are accurate, then kyl is going to burn for a loooooooooooooooong time.

[uforeader]

did he really just try to say sick people don't die from not receiving treatment?

[bombonyou]

If the US has "The best most powerful military in the history of mankind", then why is it that 9 years and over a trillion dollars after 9/11, we are still trying to track down "the killers" who "killed over 3,000 Americans"?

Also, please notice that Kyle did not answer Gregory's question.

[whoo689]

The healthcare plan will NOT be revenue-neutral. There's no way a healthcare bill or plan of this magnitude will not do a thing to the deficit. Of course, on the other side, there's absolutely no way it'll increase revenues much. The whole "revenue-neutral" crap is like what they said about Medicare "not costing a lot." Or Social Security.

[whoo689]

The study itself is surely flawed. Some people may die "because they don't have insurance", although it seems absurd since the law requires hospitals to treat ANYONE in an emergency in the ER, but it's nowhere near 44,000 a day. I calculated that, and per year that would be SIXTEEN MILLION people dying without insurance. Over 10 years that's about 1/2 the US population! Half our population is gonna dwindle in 10 years just b/c of lack of insurance? Please.

[whoo689]

My bad. It's per year. I thought the per day was a little silly.

[whoo689]

It's about as dumb as when Mike Huckabee said with a straight face that the Fair Tax will be "revenue-neutral." Yeah, sure. Whether or not the Fair Tax is a good replacement of the income tax, there's no doubt it'll either bring in less money or more money. It'd be very hard to bring in just the same amount as income tax, esp. in a recession.

[alltherestaretaken]

44k a year. Dont know where you get your propaganda numbers from.

[micahgee]

its 44,000 per year not day.

Try reading the Harvard Study again before you say its flawed

[yanks1022]

"Killed over 3,000 Americans on 9/11." 46,000 die a year b.c they are without health insurance. Clearly the War on Health care is not a "war of necessity."

[dennist3hmenace]

And tobacco kills 400k Americans every year. Where's the war on cigarettes?

[robinvan1983]

well that sums up the gop... if you die, we rather like you to die doing our war... not just because of ill heath