BEGINNER STOVETOP BREWING (2/x) - Replacing Hops And Grains

[jturie]

Nice lecture from someone who has been brewing for about 4 months. 22 minutes and nothing has happened yet.

[laportelsl272]

TSA is only stiring the pot. SATIRE. Watch his vids. Yeast starter vid should seal the deal in figuring out that this guy only wants to get views to make partner.

[bmeyer44]

KISS

Keep It Simple Stupid

[pinemanj]

I hate to break it to you, but you're a noob yourself. You don't know half as much as you'd like to think you do. How long have you been brewing again? Munich is NOT a substitute for Munich.  Crystal 40 is NOT a substitute for Crystal 20. Nugget is NOT a substitute for Simcoe.

There's been a ton of research on hop acids/utilization. Why do you say no one has done experimentation? Bittering hops matter more than you'd like to think too. Look up cohumulone. How many batches have you brewed?

[bmeyer44]

@pinemanj we're beating our heads against the wall here.

I'd love to see TSA succeed as much as the next person, but learn things first ...THEN guide the new brewers.

[pinemanj]

@bmeyer44 I know, it's like a train wreck in super slow motion

[pinemanj]

@pinemanj Sorry I meant Munich is NOT a substitute for Aromatic.

[DuffMan5ABV]

FYI, you have almost as many Munich malts as you do wheat.  They range from 6-20L.

[bmeyer44]

ok...heres a simple APA 5 lbs. Schreier Two-Row Pale info 3 lbs. Dry Amber Extract 1 oz. Centennial (Pellets, 10 %AA) boiled 60 min. 0.50 oz. Amarillo (Pellets, 7 %AA) boiled 15 min. 0.50 oz. Centennial (Pellets, 10 %AA) boiled 1 min. Yeast : White Labs WLP060 American Ale Yeast Blend Original Gravity 1.051 1.045 - 1.060 Terminal Gravity 1.012 1.010 - 1.015 Color 8.00 °SRM 5.00 - 14.00 °SRM Bitterness 44.5 IBU 30.00 - 45.00 IBU Alcohol (%volume) 5.2 % 4.50 - 6.00 %

[DuffMan5ABV]

@bmeyer44---The 5 pounds of 2-row pretty much puts you doing an all grain, seems pointless not to just add a couple more pounds of grain and skip the DME. The simplicity is great, it leaves a lot of room to sub in some darker kilned malts from Munich to Special Roast in place of the 2-row .

[bmeyer44]

this one is about as simple as it gets. 1 lbs. German 2-row Pils info 6 lbs. Dry Light Extract info 1 oz. Czech Saaz (Pellets, 5.00 %AA) boiled 55 min. info 1 oz. Czech Saaz (Pellets, 5.00 %AA) boiled 30 min. info 1 oz. Czech Saaz (Pellets, 5.00 %AA) boiled 5 min. info Yeast : WYeast 2278 Czech Pils info Original Gravity 1.058 1.044 - 1.060 Terminal Gravity 1.013 1.010 - 1.015 Color 4.52 °SRM 3.00 - 6.00 °SRM Bitterness 32.9 IBU 25.00 - 40.00 IBU Alcohol (%volume) 5.8 % 4.50 - 6.00 %

[DuffMan5ABV]

@bmeyer44-- Ah yes, a Czech Pils. A simple recipe but not so simple to do well. It's those Bavarian Hefs and Pils I'm just never happy with.

[ihikefar]

Sounds like this is really a basic partial mash procedure? I thought TSA said it was his own "methods"?

[sethmc1234]

In the time a "new brewer" would have to spend to research this recipe and how to sub grains with DME, switching one hop for another and learning which item does what, that "new bewer" could have used a kit of any kind, can or partial and actualy learn somthing about the process of brewing beer. Not to mention have more more fun doing it.

[bmeyer44]

@sethmc1234 agreed.

just pick a partial extract recipe and run with it.

beer tools dot com I'm tellin ya....already has recipes in different categories, just pick the beer type you like and pick a recipe....easy schmeezy.

[WannaBeDj100]

I love this idea, thanks for doin this !

[bmeyer44]

so are you a fan of Guinness, Moose Drool, or New Belgiums 1554 or Fat Tire Amber Ale?

[bmeyer44]

look up brewery grade corn syrup on Austin Homebrew Supply....it's there.

[bmeyer44]

Old Milwaukee beer is brewed with several pedigree varieties of blended 6-row malt, specially processed corn syrup, and two complementary varieties of hops. A tried and true brewing process and fermentation profile converts these basic ingredients to a full-bodied, carefully balanced beer, high in extract, moderate in alcohol, low in satiability???.

[bmeyer44]

if you want lacing like the Old Milwaukee beer, just add some corn SYRUP...yeah thats right six row barley and corn syrup, and two different hops.

Thats simple enough and you'll get TONS of LACING!!! LOL

[etjj091]

How do you keep the hops fresh after you open them, you aren't going to use them all in this recipe? Have you a vacuum sealer?

[JJBrewing]

Instead of all of these substitutions, you should have just picked a beer with a shorter ingredient list. IIRC, in one of your other videos, you liked American IPAs. I have several recipes that are mainly DME (or 2 row), crystal, and many hop additions. This type of recipe would have been more simple, and you'd have a damn good beer in the end.

[bmeyer44]

it's a good thing Tom is still living or he'd be turning over in his grave.

[TakeSomeAdvice]

@bmeyer44 I said on the Upping the Stakes video that I would be brewing the EXACT recipe all grain the day after I brew this DME version so I could compare them back to back.

[bmeyer44]

@TakeSomeAdvice They'll be different...I can tell you that just by looking at what you are changing on the recipe.

Either one will be good, just not comparable.

[TakeSomeAdvice]

@bmeyer44 I disagree. They should actually be in the same ball park and comparible seeing as they'll have the same non fermentables and IBU's. The dry hoping, yeast, and fermentation temps will be the same. The question is, 'how much' different. The big thing for me is especially the head retention and LACING!! :)

[Homebrewisgreat]

Doesn't Munich have to be mashed according to John Palmer

[nige4958]

Recipe doesn't look bad, but I like my hops!! Only .5 ounce of Centennial @ 45 minutes? I'd First Wort Hop it with 2 ounces of Centennial and all the remaining hops during the last twenty minutes. Heavy hopping during the last twenty minutes will give you massive hop flavor and aroma. Dry hop with at least two ounces in the keg!!

[bmeyer44]

@nige4958 I'm not a hop head, so I tend to tone my hops down......dry hopped....not in my beer!!! LOL

[JJBrewing]

@nige4958 Magnum 15% @ 90 minutes would have been a better start. Then apply Centenial liberally throughout.

[nige4958]

@JJBrewing I don't make any hop additions for 90 or 60 minutes unless they're lagers. I First Wort Hop everthing then start at the last 20 minutes. Round bitterness, hop flavor and some aroma.

[bmeyer44]

go to beertools and pick a style you like then follow their recipes...much easier. He's turning brewing into brain surgery.

[bmeyer44]

If the people are just getting into brewing, they're aren't going to have ANY hops on hand to begin with, so why didn't you just stick with the recipe........ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHH­HHH

[bmeyer44]

Briess DME Golden Light

All-purpose base extract for any beer style. Malty flavor, slightly darker than Pilsen DME. Unhopped, with an SG yeild of 43 points per gallon.

Price From: 11.99 per 3 lbs

[bmeyer44]

Belgian Caramel Pils

6° L. A very pale caramel malt. Contributes a subtle caramel flavor. The malting process creates a 'floury' endosperm that will yield fermentable sugars when mashed with base malts. Steep Caramel Pils in quantities under a pound to add a light caramel flavor, but mash it with other grains for the full effect. From Castle Malting.

Price From: $1.80

[bmeyer44]

Belgian Aromatic Malt

19° L. A mildly kilned malt that has a strong malt aroma and rich color. Use 1-10%. From Castle Malting.

Price From: $2.10

Belgian Caramunich

47 L. An excellent all-purpose caramel malt. Round, sweet character with toasty overtones and deep gold to copper color, depending on usage. Used extensively in amber and dark Belgian ales. We like it for amber and dark lagers as well. From Castle Malting.

Price From: $1.80

from 19 lovibond to 47? Oh yeah, same thing it'll work.

[bmeyer44]

I want to make peanut butter cookies, but I don't have any flour, peanut butter or baking soda.

SOOOOO...I'm going to use cornmeal, butter flavor crisco and baking powder....do you think it will work?

Oh and since I'm outta vanilla too, I'm going to use mint flavoring...

it says to bake at 350 for 15 min, but since I'm in a hurry I'm gonna crank it to self clean and only cook them for 7 min.

Anybody want some cookies?

[RonWJr84]

I know you are going to do a taste test between DME and All Grain.....You should do a third with LME...( good LME) ..... blind test......

[bmeyer44]

@RonWJr84 agree...Northern Brewer LME or the Austin place either one.

[HockeyFan2981]

I agree.

Just brew the recipe you have in front of you TSA.

what happened to ...."Send me in a recipe and I'll brew it"?

I thought that's what the challenge was all about no?

There is no need for all of this changing of the recipe.

That's not what people wanted to see and that's not what you said you were going to do.

[bmeyer44]

@HockeyFan2981 glad he didn't pick my recipe. REALLY

[ChadzBeerReviews]

you make it look easy

[HockeyFan2981]

@ChadzBeerReviews Quite honestly, I feel he made it look twice as hard as it really is. Just brew man, Just brew.

[ChadzBeerReviews]

@HockeyFan2981 I don't brew, I drink :D

[BrewingWithMikeK]

Why did you issue this challenge if you were just going to completely erase majority of the recipe?