@LeifTheOldSoul your assumptions are based of a fallacy in your psychological development.(triggers are for pussies. Period.)is like saying a guitar pickup is cheating and the use of a mic with pa system is for f*gets!
@Villex93 Cheating? I didn't know there were "rules". Can you enlighten me, what are those rules? Use the tools and techniques at your disposal to achieve a good sound. Using doublestrokes means he could play even faster. He said himself that he kinda had to start using doublestrokes only to keep up with the guitarists' insane speeds and could'nt care less that people call it cheating cause he didn't start playing metal to follow rules.
@rekleoa Well, it just feels little bit like cheating, I don't really seriously think so. What you said makes sense and I understand that he maybe had to use double strokes. But it's not the traditional way and when people talk about double bass it's basically always single strokes. I personally wouldn't even go that far that I had to use double strokes.
Saying double strokes on the kicks is cheating shows a complete lack of understanding. You go do it! Show us how EASY and how much of a cheater way of playing double bass it is! Fools.
If you think economy of motion is cheating, you must not be a drummer or know NOTHING about drumming!
When John started doing doubles he sounds like a different drummer. Less comfortable, I guess he still getting used to it. I thought his heels down style was awesome, and I have to admit, I miss seeing him play heels down.
@natepogue holy hell dude, i can't believe i have to explain this to you... i said james LEE, as is the vocalist. james KING was the drummer. james LEE was better than KEYSER, as in jason keyser, THE NEW VOCALIST! of course longstreth is a better drummer. james king only played the drums for like 4 years before recording echoes of decimation. but i didn't say anything about james king, i said james LEE. i can hear jason's vocals in the background and it just sounds like skinless
@zgates i don't know that it's easier - it is almost totally different. in some ways the 'easier' comes from feeling more balanced. you legs are big muscles that do well to keep something simple-ish up for a long time, rather than quick intricate deft movements. heel-toe doubles with triggs definitely supports that and it is great fun, 'riding' the bass drum: the hard part is the threshold of when to switch from singles into double strokes, because playin'em slowly, evenly, is so near impossible
@Misawa59 It's the same principle as heel toe, But he does it more toe-toe. or maybe leg-ankle type thing. His heel doesn't drop all that much like it would if it were heel toe. I think he described it once as being, the first stroke he's pulling toes up a little and second forcing them down. Said it took him 3-4 hours every day of practicing doubles for about 4 months to get it down. We'd all be that good if we put that kind of time in.
@ fuck1nmetal - yeah bro actually i can. For one song. No way could i hold up for an entire set. And my arms, they suck. Also i was drunk when i posted that comment lol. All-toe is only good for recording really, or jamming. To blast an entire live set in front of an audience you need more variation in your technique or else your legs start to lag.
with mics ,a drummer can make mistakes and a person in the crowd won't notice it,but with triggers -the drummer must be fukkin on time,the other problem is -with mics a person wont really the bass and snare drum(s) because a bass drum tends to fade out or if the drummer prefers mics, there better be a really good sound engineer .
There is nothing to be learned from argument of over triggers. forget it. the only legit problem with mad drummers is that fine line between drumwank and sick beat. you need so much more than just speed. take for example trym, from norwegian side of things. he's not the fastest blaster there is but what makes him superior over suprising number of of metal drummers is that he understands what the song in question needs, and he provides it. he understands the groove.
I agree with you and thats why Gene Hoglan and Neil Peart are my two favorite drummers. There are a lot of good DM drummers that don't just rely on speed with the double bass and machine like blastbeats though.
The same wankery issue exists with guitar and bass players as well. There are bands that fucking rape their instruments, but can't write good music. Origin stuff is very mechanical, but complex and catchy too. Its not just pieced together random riffs.
I have heard him before. He is really good as well, but for some reason I cannot get into the band Ulcerate. Not really sure why. Its good enough, but it doesnt grab me or ever make me want to listen to them like Augury or Agalloch does. If you can compare them at all.
Your average Longstreth video comment section in one comment:- Triggers is cheating - Triggers is not cheating - You guys still debating about triggers, that's so 2008-Doubles is cheating - two foot blasts is cheating-Heel toe is cheating -That's not heel toe man its just doubles - He sucks -He rules
Oh the trigger argument.miadimajstor has hit the nail on the head.The trigger is mimicking the individual stroke its not giving you an extra hit for free unless it is mistriggering.Without triggers for this style of music it would be a mess.
double stroke foot patterns is more complicated to master thats why knowone busts em,but constant through a whole song or probly most is just minatonouse.with all that talent he should keep the same time but break down the underlying kick pattern,more complicated and more listenable,my balls smell like a rotten duck fart.
fuck this guy is fast. ridiculous...and i cant believe people are still having arguements over drummers using triggers, and double strokes with their feet...
Just let people say triggers are cheating, they're just jealous of the drummers who go so fast they need em, and wish so deeply they could be there one day, but know somewhere deep down it will never happen to those who are dicks.
its not heel-toe, its the same technique as THOMAS LANG its double strokes on each leg only difference is that he's practiced it a lot and you can pretty much say "perfected" it for those type of tempos
and also.............. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CHEAT WITH TRIGGERS ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP THE BEATER 2 INCHES AWAY FROM THE DRUM HEAD AND NEVER GET A FULL STROKE ON THE BASS DRUM THATS CHEATING!!!.......but anyways awesome drummer pretty brutal chops he's got going on
@JonasOfSweden The point is that i haven't seen double strokes on bass drum and i maybe made a fast conclusion, definatelly i don't blame him but it seems he is doing 8th notes anyways i won't discuss this ferthermore for example i prefer Trey Williams the good old fashioned.
If you have ever seen an Origin show, you would know that he hits the bass drums fucking hard still and can hear them clearly when he is warming up. If you're a shitty drummer, triggers will make you sound even more shitty.
@dutchoven138 No, singles, but that doesn't really matter, doubles are probably more solid sounding on a natural bass drum anyway. John has developed a technique that is designed for modern technology, so his legs/ankles are built for heel/toe technique, Lombardo was just a beast and muscled his way through.
I'm tired of idiots that don't know what double stroke technique is! This is a variation of the typical heel-toe technique, it's done with the toe to the toes. is a clean double stroke with each foot. done 1+e, when put together with the other foot you get the 2+e, when played together you get the 32 nd note feel. Tim waterson uses something he created called "the pump" that's actually the same motion but trying to put before the "e" of every double stroke, the first stroke of the other foot.
@sergioarochadrums that's the reason tim reaches like 1447 strokes in his DVD in one minute. It takes hard work to develop the technique, specially from your shin muscle, but once you develop heel-toe you'll be able to understand how the technique works. Don't underestimate double strokes, cause if you're looking for speed, you can reach higher tempos with this technique with less effort. if you look for control, you can do stuff that with single strokes would be imposible to do!
Respond to this video... For all of the stupid people that thinks double strokes, direct drive pedals, triggers etc... is cheating. then you are a bunch of assholes that dont know shit! for me cheating is using those quad pedals or the dualist pedal, cause you are not making any motion that controls the second stroke. again, this is not the case, john does each and every one of them strokes you listen in the video. plus take a look of all the distance that the beater goes way back, that's power.
I say even if he would use a quadriple pedal on both his feet...
THERE IS NO CHEATING in music...
You play what you want and it might sound good to someone or not.
But cheating? Seriously... most of the guys complaining about how they not get his technique wouldn't be able to play this song even if John played the bassdrum for you... =P
ALSO, SAYING THAT "USING TRIGGERS IS CHEATING" IS COMPLETELY RETARDED AND POINTLESS. AT THOSE INSANE TEMPOS, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN SAME INTENSITY OF THE HIT... ALSO, THE BASS DRUM IS ALWAYS PUSHING AIR OUT THROUGH THE MIC HOLE, SO ON A HIGH TEMPO, BASS DRUM HITS BECOME INAUDIBLE DUE TO ALL THAT AIR BEING PUSHED THOWARDS THE MIC. TRIGGERS ARE JUST LIKE AN AMPLIFIER FOR THE BASS DRUM... SO IF TRIGGERING IS CHEATING, PLAYING AN ELECTRIC GUITAR (OR BASS) PRACTICALLY IS ALSO CHEATING...
@mladimajstor i totally agree!!Hellhammer also told me once that with triggers the audience can hear even the smallest mistake and this the biggest disadvantage of using triggers!
@mladimajstor -Exactly, plus on top of this. You'd be surprised how hard some of these guys actually do hit even though they are playing this fast. Saying triggers (or double strokes for that matter) is cheating is just a lame excuse for the guys who can't pull this shit off in the first place, WITH or WITHOUT triggers. On top of that, throw some triggers on your kicks for the first time and find out how tight your playing really is. Cause you and the crowd will hear EVERYTHING.
@Grindtechnician Triggers will blow your fucking mind when you hear how off your timing is. It's really something. Also, if you're like John and heel-toe playing at these speeds on one kick drum, your options are basically to use triggers or have your bass drum sound like a mush.
@zgates Yeah man, that's what I was saying. Been triggering for years now. I got tired of playing shows with shitty sound and not having my double bass heard. Now I just say, here ya go man. Plug this in and turn it up. Check out my vids. Got some foot cam on the last vid. No where near this dude but it's pretty tight.
JOHN IS NOT CHEATING... FIRST OF ALL, HE'S PLAYING DOUBLE STROKES - RR LL. WATCH CLOSELY ON THE MOVEMENT OF THE PEDAL PLATE AND CAM - IT'S A BIT HARD TO NOTICE (BECAUSE OF THE POOR LIGHTING AND MOSTLY BECAUSE OF INSANE SPEED) BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT MOVES TWICE EVEN IF HIS FEET LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PLAYING SINGLES... ALSO, TYPE STUFF LIKE "DOUBLE STROKES ON BASS DRUM" ON YOUTUBE SEARCH AND YOU'LL FIND SOME GREAT VIDEOS ON VARIOUS DOUBLE STROKE TECHNIQUES...
Oh and if u try to use the excuse of heel to toe kicks... ur wrong again.. ive seen origin live 7 times. chilled with them and gave them buds. I know what he uses=]
lol to all u retards who think i am blind... i know the 3rd pedal is for the hi-hat.... if u had any musical education u would know that there is something called "effects" each single stroke on his bass pedal simulates 2 echoes without sound supression..... therego each pedal is 3 kicks. so he has to time them just right... and if u watch closely... he is not doing R R L..... its alll R L R L... der da derrrrrr. ive been playing bass guitar for 10 years and have seen much more then u...
@AxeStar89 Bass for 10 years means nothing if u can't grasp the concept that he uses double strokes, his legs move in half the time his beaters are moving.
John Longstreth does practice. Nobody can do this within a year or two, also John had to practice for hours if not years. Key is to not practice too fast, rather boring slow. Don't be too hasty, thats all I can say. + boring as hell. Did I mention that? |. | |_________ Source: When he still had his own website I was lucky enough to read some good pointers on his forum in terms of practice.
Just trolling around until he said Reno; realized i was there that night. Fucking amazing show.Then everyone left and Hate Eternal played to probably 12 diehards.
It is soo lame to hear all those fucktards saying he is cheating and shit. None of those assholes could fucking hit clean 180 bpm with or without triggers not even 260 like jl. So stupid to hear guys bashing on his playing and making stupid excuses about triple trigger bullshit; it's called practice dumbasses!
jdmimport13... if u knew anything about music you would know that he is using an electronic triple bass... i stood in front row in chicago and watched him set it up.. he is most definetly cheating. each drum kick makes 3 triggers... So before you make yourself sound like an even bigger fool.... do some research and go to a fucking origin concert and see for yourself =]..
@AxeStar89 He's doing doubles man, not cheating.. The "triple" setup you saw has to do with the hi-hat and double bass pedal, not 3 triggers for the bass drum.
@AxeStar89 Yeah he is definitely not "cheating" in any way. The man just has fast feet, there are some videos on Youtube that have a better view of the bass pedals and whatnot.
@AxeStar89 You are a moron. He has two cable hi-hats, one of which is to the left of his left pedal, and the other is to the right of the pedal. So he has 3 pedals at his left foot, but only one of them is an actual bass drum pedal, and if you tell me I'm lying, fuck off, I've spoken to the guy he took lessons from a couple years back (Mike Heller), who told me the exact same thing.
Fucking shit. Are you even a drummer? Cretin. Go back to playing your BTM wankcore.
the only thing about John that is disappointing... is that triple bass..... cheater.. learn from George Kollias. But John is truly amazing just a little upset about that cheater triple bass bs!!!
@AxeStar89 Wow dude, really? Triple bass? Watch any video that shows his feet, and you'll only see 2 beaters. He does doubles. I'll quote YOU yourself and say, "before you make yourself sound like an even bigger fool..." I'm just going to assume you don't play drums. It makes it more understandable that you would think he's using something other than double strokes. It irks me that you would actually say to someone, "If you knew anything about music", and then be wrong. Ouchhhhh.
Isn't this guys double bass technique like this? R R L L instead of R L R L? That's what I've heard from a buddy of mine that ran their sound on their 2010 tours.
@BloodHasBeenShed86 Hahahahahahahaha CHEATING on a drumset ??? HOW??? Duellist Pedal hahahah man whats wrong with you...hes sponsert by PEARL he use the DEMONDRIVE and he plays clear doublestrokes...
@BloodHasBeenShed86 Obviously you don't know this guys technique. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Im pretty sure he plays his double bass like this. R R L L instead of R L R L. Dude has mastered his own technique so this guy pretty much owns any drummer as far as double bass goes. How's that for cheating? I'd do some research before making yourself out to look like a fool.
@jdmimport13 that was a friend of mine drunk who i showed the video to. im a long time fan of origin and i think its hilarious you have nothing better to do than to respond to this. and he does play with triggers. not that that means cheating but its definetly easier to maintain retarded speeds. clownshoes
@BloodHasBeenShed86 Well you said using triggers was cheating. Now you don't? Of course using triggers makes it easier to maintain clean consistent hits at increased speeds. That's kinda the whole point. And for the record it's not that I have anything better to do, being that it takes 90 seconds to type this message out, but it's more of an enjoyment of mine belittling other people that obviously lack in the intelligence department. Don't get mad at me because your not smart, get mad at mommy.
@SinjikuAoD He's using a technique called Heel-Toe. You hit once on the downstroke and again on the upstroke so its pretty much 2 hits with one fluid motion.
@EdgeStormcrow lol thats what i said. Its basically 1 motion with 2 hits. 2 hits would be a double stroke. Look at the motion of his leg. I comes down and he hits with his toe on the second stroke. The best example of his single stroke is on the slower double bass parts.
Stop Complain about triggers...
You even wont be able to do it...with trigger or without..Longstreth isnt human.STICK THIS IN YOUR FUCKIN ASS.
Trigger Are amazing used in the right way...as He does...and many others...like haake..Yeung..Kollias...Inferno.....
All these guys Have something Called Technique....Years and YEARS OF PLAYING.
Take your bass drum and play instead of post shit here.
Fuck1nMetal 3 days ago
triggers are for pussies. Period.
LeifTheOldSoul 1 week ago
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@LeifTheOldSoul your assumptions are based of a fallacy in your psychological development.(triggers are for pussies. Period.)is like saying a guitar pickup is cheating and the use of a mic with pa system is for f*gets!
jacquard2009 1 week ago
Double strokes are really hard but I still think its cheating.
Villex93 1 week ago
@Villex93 Cheating? I didn't know there were "rules". Can you enlighten me, what are those rules? Use the tools and techniques at your disposal to achieve a good sound. Using doublestrokes means he could play even faster. He said himself that he kinda had to start using doublestrokes only to keep up with the guitarists' insane speeds and could'nt care less that people call it cheating cause he didn't start playing metal to follow rules.
rekleoa 1 week ago
@rekleoa Well, it just feels little bit like cheating, I don't really seriously think so. What you said makes sense and I understand that he maybe had to use double strokes. But it's not the traditional way and when people talk about double bass it's basically always single strokes. I personally wouldn't even go that far that I had to use double strokes.
Villex93 1 week ago
Saying double strokes on the kicks is cheating shows a complete lack of understanding. You go do it! Show us how EASY and how much of a cheater way of playing double bass it is! Fools.
If you think economy of motion is cheating, you must not be a drummer or know NOTHING about drumming!
EnvenomAscension 2 weeks ago 2
what's the name of the song at the begining??
Dea7hko 2 weeks ago
wow, actually made a huge noticeable mistake during the solo..
Bradyman55 3 weeks ago
When John started doing doubles he sounds like a different drummer. Less comfortable, I guess he still getting used to it. I thought his heels down style was awesome, and I have to admit, I miss seeing him play heels down.
theneongray 3 weeks ago
saw origin last weekend. john twisted his ankle a day before. it didn't fucking stop him.
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natepogue 3 weeks ago
@natepogue holy hell dude, i can't believe i have to explain this to you... i said james LEE, as is the vocalist. james KING was the drummer. james LEE was better than KEYSER, as in jason keyser, THE NEW VOCALIST! of course longstreth is a better drummer. james king only played the drums for like 4 years before recording echoes of decimation. but i didn't say anything about james king, i said james LEE. i can hear jason's vocals in the background and it just sounds like skinless
LukesRealFather 3 weeks ago
@natepogue damn dude, make sure you know what you're saying before you embarrass yourself. twat
LukesRealFather 3 weeks ago
Damn! It's so cool
Harktartar3 1 month ago
WTF is going on with those light-speed double strokes ?
Is he using heel-toe technique on both legs ? His feet don't even look moving that fast
Misawa59 1 month ago
@Misawa59 Yeah. HAS to be heel-toe.
Ninjuggla 1 month ago
@Misawa59 Yeah, heel-toe. If your shin muscles can keep up, it's a LOT easier than single strokes thanks to your legs moving in half time.
zgates 1 month ago
@zgates i don't know that it's easier - it is almost totally different. in some ways the 'easier' comes from feeling more balanced. you legs are big muscles that do well to keep something simple-ish up for a long time, rather than quick intricate deft movements. heel-toe doubles with triggs definitely supports that and it is great fun, 'riding' the bass drum: the hard part is the threshold of when to switch from singles into double strokes, because playin'em slowly, evenly, is so near impossible
queenmcsleaze 1 month ago
@Misawa59 It's the same principle as heel toe, But he does it more toe-toe. or maybe leg-ankle type thing. His heel doesn't drop all that much like it would if it were heel toe. I think he described it once as being, the first stroke he's pulling toes up a little and second forcing them down. Said it took him 3-4 hours every day of practicing doubles for about 4 months to get it down. We'd all be that good if we put that kind of time in.
Grindtechnician 3 weeks ago
@ fuck1nmetal - yeah bro actually i can. For one song. No way could i hold up for an entire set. And my arms, they suck. Also i was drunk when i posted that comment lol. All-toe is only good for recording really, or jamming. To blast an entire live set in front of an audience you need more variation in your technique or else your legs start to lag.
stal666 1 month ago
@stal666 lol.
im working on heavy speed blast while keep relaxing...but need a lot of time...and practice..
Fuck1nMetal 1 month ago
with mics ,a drummer can make mistakes and a person in the crowd won't notice it,but with triggers -the drummer must be fukkin on time,the other problem is -with mics a person wont really the bass and snare drum(s) because a bass drum tends to fade out or if the drummer prefers mics, there better be a really good sound engineer .
plaugesovwar 1 month ago
who cares if a drummer uses triggers? thats like complaining that a guitar player uses amps...
you think an acoustic guitar could make those sounds or be that loud?
derp.
Dahak753 1 month ago 2
damn the bass drum hits are fucking sloppy
luisluvsblastbeats54 1 month ago
@luisluvsblastbeats54 what the fuck are you saying? this is Origin, that's the most accurate possible you'll get.
postigaceltic 1 month ago
Heel toe god right here
DrumMetal123 1 month ago
Sickest foot technique
trialanderror1 1 month ago
There is nothing to be learned from argument of over triggers. forget it. the only legit problem with mad drummers is that fine line between drumwank and sick beat. you need so much more than just speed. take for example trym, from norwegian side of things. he's not the fastest blaster there is but what makes him superior over suprising number of of metal drummers is that he understands what the song in question needs, and he provides it. he understands the groove.
somberlight 2 months ago
@somberlight
I agree with you and thats why Gene Hoglan and Neil Peart are my two favorite drummers. There are a lot of good DM drummers that don't just rely on speed with the double bass and machine like blastbeats though.
The same wankery issue exists with guitar and bass players as well. There are bands that fucking rape their instruments, but can't write good music. Origin stuff is very mechanical, but complex and catchy too. Its not just pieced together random riffs.
Juggernaut76 1 month ago
@Juggernaut76 You should check out Jamie Saint Merat.
zgates 1 month ago
@zgates
I have heard him before. He is really good as well, but for some reason I cannot get into the band Ulcerate. Not really sure why. Its good enough, but it doesnt grab me or ever make me want to listen to them like Augury or Agalloch does. If you can compare them at all.
Juggernaut76 1 month ago
mladimajstor told the truth, even a 3 yrs old child could understand that.
Those who says the opposite simply deserve to be shot in the head
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Your average Longstreth video comment section in one comment:- Triggers is cheating - Triggers is not cheating - You guys still debating about triggers, that's so 2008-Doubles is cheating - two foot blasts is cheating-Heel toe is cheating -That's not heel toe man its just doubles - He sucks -He rules
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luciferincestus 2 months ago
I can double kick faster than this using all-toe, and i am the worst drummer on earth. Ever. Arguing about triggers is ghey.
stal666 2 months ago
@stal666 ye....
U can double kick fast than Longstreth...
Then u wake up
Fuck1nMetal 2 months ago
the two things metal fans REALLY care about: fighting about sub-genres and fighting about triggers.
Caminacels 3 months ago 59
@Caminacels Oh so fucking true!
sebbimon 1 month ago
@Caminacels funny thing is, they're usually all wrong
ehb666 2 weeks ago
@Caminacels one more: who is better!!! (especially when we're talking about drummers..)
velas1985 1 week ago
fuck they came to reno?!?! DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!
BOBSAGGETASS 3 months ago
if you can cheat like him . until then shut your mouth, idiot!!!
stavrosyeah 3 months ago
Oh the trigger argument.miadimajstor has hit the nail on the head.The trigger is mimicking the individual stroke its not giving you an extra hit for free unless it is mistriggering.Without triggers for this style of music it would be a mess.
TheCorpse1978 3 months ago
again triggers are for sound, not for speed.
zachf914 3 months ago 2
@zachf914 Triggers are for sound, so for speed because if you hit your drums with less power, you can play faster
thelumberjackdrummer 2 months ago
@zachf914 Some People are too stupid to understand this...
Fuck1nMetal 2 months ago
double stroke foot patterns..... wowwwwwwwww he is a machine.....!!!
ginobrutalnile 3 months ago 2
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ginobrutalnile 3 months ago
it'S so fucking unbelievable !!!!!! BIG LOVE !
soloton 3 months ago
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soloton 3 months ago
double stroke foot patterns is more complicated to master thats why knowone busts em,but constant through a whole song or probly most is just minatonouse.with all that talent he should keep the same time but break down the underlying kick pattern,more complicated and more listenable,my balls smell like a rotten duck fart.
znikktalentmetalball 4 months ago
fuck this guy is fast. ridiculous...and i cant believe people are still having arguements over drummers using triggers, and double strokes with their feet...
MetalHead420100 4 months ago
Just let people say triggers are cheating, they're just jealous of the drummers who go so fast they need em, and wish so deeply they could be there one day, but know somewhere deep down it will never happen to those who are dicks.
thechoadester 4 months ago
I saw these guys in Denver and this guy is a for real technical drummer
mammalspod 4 months ago
It's not heel toe, it's a flat foot technique. A bit harder to learn and maintain steadily than "normal" heel/toe. But its extremely effective.
shreddmasterj 4 months ago
Doublestrokes McGee over here....
TruthTheSpeaker 4 months ago
i always think he shows his much better performance in live than CDs.
berzerker123123 4 months ago
whats the song playing at the beginning of this sick drummer clip??
thefedisking 4 months ago
its not heel-toe, its the same technique as THOMAS LANG its double strokes on each leg only difference is that he's practiced it a lot and you can pretty much say "perfected" it for those type of tempos
and also.............. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CHEAT WITH TRIGGERS ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP THE BEATER 2 INCHES AWAY FROM THE DRUM HEAD AND NEVER GET A FULL STROKE ON THE BASS DRUM THATS CHEATING!!!.......but anyways awesome drummer pretty brutal chops he's got going on
SNGdrumsbroman 4 months ago 2
The Chuck Norris of technical death metal drumming.
NSGU 4 months ago
it's heel toe technique. it's basically a double hit with each foot. so it looks slow, but the beater actually hits twice with one swipe.
brunklegregteachkids 4 months ago
can some1 explain to me when John is playing 32th notes it seems like he's playing more slower like 8th notes:S
IIHellraiserII 4 months ago
@IIHellraiserII He uses a technique hitting RR LL
williebob1234 4 months ago
@williebob1234 so it doesn't need edurance to do 32 th notes at double bass it's kinda like cheating for me dunno
IIHellraiserII 4 months ago
@IIHellraiserII How the hell is it cheating playing double strokes?
JonasOfSweden 4 months ago
@JonasOfSweden The point is that i haven't seen double strokes on bass drum and i maybe made a fast conclusion, definatelly i don't blame him but it seems he is doing 8th notes anyways i won't discuss this ferthermore for example i prefer Trey Williams the good old fashioned.
Cheers mates
IIHellraiserII 4 months ago
so much control switching his doubles and singles. I wish i was as cool as john -_-
monkeychunkey 5 months ago
Everybody on here saying you can't hear his feet without the triggers...it's already been proven he is just as clean without them so GTFO.
HeyYoKillEmo 5 months ago
will you have sex with my girl friend john
alexaxxem 5 months ago
unbelievable.
I'm so happy I shook hands with this guy.
And great thanks to the methods of Mike Mangini.
drumstheo 5 months ago
He use heel-toe? :O
samsoniusz 5 months ago
If you have ever seen an Origin show, you would know that he hits the bass drums fucking hard still and can hear them clearly when he is warming up. If you're a shitty drummer, triggers will make you sound even more shitty.
shreddmasterj 5 months ago
watch and learn kids. /watch?v=Vm0VxEjLHP4
good raw double bass
watchyourst3p 5 months ago
@watchyourst3p loooooooooool. did you upload it?
soulander13 5 months ago
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watchyourst3p 5 months ago
wont be able to hear shit without triggers.hes just little tapping the drumbass.
im gonna go watch some morbid angel for some good raw metal double bass drumming.
watchyourst3p 5 months ago
John Longstreth, the human Fast Forward.
EpicArt 5 months ago
No, you can pick up the kick sound at crazy tempos...go watch dave lombardo videos, he's never used triggers and he flew!!
ottawadrummer 5 months ago
@ottawadrummer Yeah Lombardo played fast but is he doing double strokes?
dutchoven138 5 months ago
@dutchoven138 No, singles, but that doesn't really matter, doubles are probably more solid sounding on a natural bass drum anyway. John has developed a technique that is designed for modern technology, so his legs/ankles are built for heel/toe technique, Lombardo was just a beast and muscled his way through.
ottawadrummer 5 months ago
The guitar solo sounds like complete shit.
14rerun 5 months ago
also I want to watch this guy playing Consequence of Solution
Gospel969 5 months ago
im impressed with this guy he plays in a super fast speed and he's super relaxed :O
JoeyJunior19971 5 months ago
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JoeyJunior19971 5 months ago
I think they have to make John's snare skin out of cells cloned from Chuck Norris! That thing must take a beatin every single night!
ThePisswizzard1234 5 months ago
4:17 he is like "do you get it?"
Gospel969 5 months ago
I'm tired of idiots that don't know what double stroke technique is! This is a variation of the typical heel-toe technique, it's done with the toe to the toes. is a clean double stroke with each foot. done 1+e, when put together with the other foot you get the 2+e, when played together you get the 32 nd note feel. Tim waterson uses something he created called "the pump" that's actually the same motion but trying to put before the "e" of every double stroke, the first stroke of the other foot.
sergioarochadrums 5 months ago
@sergioarochadrums that's the reason tim reaches like 1447 strokes in his DVD in one minute. It takes hard work to develop the technique, specially from your shin muscle, but once you develop heel-toe you'll be able to understand how the technique works. Don't underestimate double strokes, cause if you're looking for speed, you can reach higher tempos with this technique with less effort. if you look for control, you can do stuff that with single strokes would be imposible to do!
sergioarochadrums 5 months ago
Respond to this video... For all of the stupid people that thinks double strokes, direct drive pedals, triggers etc... is cheating. then you are a bunch of assholes that dont know shit! for me cheating is using those quad pedals or the dualist pedal, cause you are not making any motion that controls the second stroke. again, this is not the case, john does each and every one of them strokes you listen in the video. plus take a look of all the distance that the beater goes way back, that's power.
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sergioarochadrums 5 months ago
GREAT FILMING DUDE!!!, "sickdrummerdotcom" did it again...
angantyr86 6 months ago
Heel-Toe-Blasts wtf
MstrRed 6 months ago
I say even if he would use a quadriple pedal on both his feet...
THERE IS NO CHEATING in music...
You play what you want and it might sound good to someone or not.
But cheating? Seriously... most of the guys complaining about how they not get his technique wouldn't be able to play this song even if John played the bassdrum for you... =P
hateeternalmaver 6 months ago
lolololol you idiots, why the fuck would their be a footcam if he was "cheating"? Use your brains...
neckface413 6 months ago
What pedals does he use?
Blastrebation 6 months ago
@Blastrebation Pearl Demon Drive I believe.
yourmomisayeti 6 months ago
ALSO, SAYING THAT "USING TRIGGERS IS CHEATING" IS COMPLETELY RETARDED AND POINTLESS. AT THOSE INSANE TEMPOS, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN SAME INTENSITY OF THE HIT... ALSO, THE BASS DRUM IS ALWAYS PUSHING AIR OUT THROUGH THE MIC HOLE, SO ON A HIGH TEMPO, BASS DRUM HITS BECOME INAUDIBLE DUE TO ALL THAT AIR BEING PUSHED THOWARDS THE MIC. TRIGGERS ARE JUST LIKE AN AMPLIFIER FOR THE BASS DRUM... SO IF TRIGGERING IS CHEATING, PLAYING AN ELECTRIC GUITAR (OR BASS) PRACTICALLY IS ALSO CHEATING...
mladimajstor 6 months ago 101
@mladimajstor i totally agree!!Hellhammer also told me once that with triggers the audience can hear even the smallest mistake and this the biggest disadvantage of using triggers!
velas1985 5 months ago
@mladimajstor thanks, finally a decent point on triggers
SkollDrum 3 months ago
@mladimajstor -Exactly, plus on top of this. You'd be surprised how hard some of these guys actually do hit even though they are playing this fast. Saying triggers (or double strokes for that matter) is cheating is just a lame excuse for the guys who can't pull this shit off in the first place, WITH or WITHOUT triggers. On top of that, throw some triggers on your kicks for the first time and find out how tight your playing really is. Cause you and the crowd will hear EVERYTHING.
Grindtechnician 2 months ago 28
@Grindtechnician Triggers will blow your fucking mind when you hear how off your timing is. It's really something. Also, if you're like John and heel-toe playing at these speeds on one kick drum, your options are basically to use triggers or have your bass drum sound like a mush.
zgates 1 month ago
@zgates Yeah man, that's what I was saying. Been triggering for years now. I got tired of playing shows with shitty sound and not having my double bass heard. Now I just say, here ya go man. Plug this in and turn it up. Check out my vids. Got some foot cam on the last vid. No where near this dude but it's pretty tight.
Grindtechnician 3 weeks ago
@Grindtechnician 100% true
queenmcsleaze 1 month ago
@Grindtechnician Thats fucking right! If you play base trigger first time you will find out how hard it is to play tight with triggers.
In my opinion triggers doesn't make you better only a better sound!
Cheers
HELLsmoG 3 weeks ago
@Grindtechnician Well said.
codymhart86 2 days ago
@mladimajstor so funny, I said the exact thing you typed like 5 years ago like everything you just wrote hahahha
Level80irl 2 months ago
JOHN IS NOT CHEATING... FIRST OF ALL, HE'S PLAYING DOUBLE STROKES - RR LL. WATCH CLOSELY ON THE MOVEMENT OF THE PEDAL PLATE AND CAM - IT'S A BIT HARD TO NOTICE (BECAUSE OF THE POOR LIGHTING AND MOSTLY BECAUSE OF INSANE SPEED) BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT MOVES TWICE EVEN IF HIS FEET LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PLAYING SINGLES... ALSO, TYPE STUFF LIKE "DOUBLE STROKES ON BASS DRUM" ON YOUTUBE SEARCH AND YOU'LL FIND SOME GREAT VIDEOS ON VARIOUS DOUBLE STROKE TECHNIQUES...
mladimajstor 6 months ago
his streth... it's so long
Corrosive1 6 months ago 40
@Corrosive1 no one man should have all that streth
Norther219 2 months ago
@Norther219 whatever streth is, this man has it
Corrosive1 2 months ago
9 people think lol, j0rdis0n is f4ster.
Martinusdrumming 6 months ago 2
its not bad but it sounds more like nile/behemoth than origin :\
Subjugator1866 6 months ago
some people should really inform themselves about techniques before posting shit
gigijohny 6 months ago
Oh and if u try to use the excuse of heel to toe kicks... ur wrong again.. ive seen origin live 7 times. chilled with them and gave them buds. I know what he uses=]
AxeStar89 6 months ago
lol to all u retards who think i am blind... i know the 3rd pedal is for the hi-hat.... if u had any musical education u would know that there is something called "effects" each single stroke on his bass pedal simulates 2 echoes without sound supression..... therego each pedal is 3 kicks. so he has to time them just right... and if u watch closely... he is not doing R R L..... its alll R L R L... der da derrrrrr. ive been playing bass guitar for 10 years and have seen much more then u...
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Incisionator 6 months ago
@AxeStar89 Then when do I hear 2 strokes and not 3? And I guess he just turns off these "effects" when he does single strokes ..
Incisionator 6 months ago
@AxeStar89 Bass for 10 years means nothing if u can't grasp the concept that he uses double strokes, his legs move in half the time his beaters are moving.
Gigadrane 6 months ago
@AxeStar89 Nope its heel toe....
Laurenan69 6 months ago
OMG
i dont even realize how he's doing that straight double bass..
i mean, he plays it so relaxed you can't even see the motion oO
insane
hateeternalmaver 6 months ago
drumstheo 6 months ago
Utter insanity
novembre8211 6 months ago
Awesome song ! Best on the album definitely ! And John is a killer !
dulsrules 6 months ago
What pedals does he use actually?
Blastrebation 6 months ago
Just trolling around until he said Reno; realized i was there that night. Fucking amazing show.Then everyone left and Hate Eternal played to probably 12 diehards.
\m/
mrlongley 6 months ago
Makes me laugh people saying his cheating. John is playing RR LL RR LL which is why his feet look like they are moving at half the speed his playing.
joedrum2011 6 months ago
he is a good drummer but can anyone explain me how he just hit the pedal twice and it sound like 4???!!
he does a 4 time split time and the sound is like 8 times!
i am not lying you just have to see the right buttom camera.... and count it!
tohpeh 6 months ago
It is soo lame to hear all those fucktards saying he is cheating and shit. None of those assholes could fucking hit clean 180 bpm with or without triggers not even 260 like jl. So stupid to hear guys bashing on his playing and making stupid excuses about triple trigger bullshit; it's called practice dumbasses!
riffeishonman 6 months ago
i thought there was a fan blowing his hair but it is actually his blasts and double bass.
riffeishonman 6 months ago 2
Please watch George Kollias' video for the song "Laying Fire Upon Apep".. thats real double bass. with 1 footed blast beats. I'm done.
AxeStar89 6 months ago
jdmimport13... if u knew anything about music you would know that he is using an electronic triple bass... i stood in front row in chicago and watched him set it up.. he is most definetly cheating. each drum kick makes 3 triggers... So before you make yourself sound like an even bigger fool.... do some research and go to a fucking origin concert and see for yourself =]..
AxeStar89 6 months ago
@AxeStar89 He's doing doubles man, not cheating.. The "triple" setup you saw has to do with the hi-hat and double bass pedal, not 3 triggers for the bass drum.
IncongruousOfficial 6 months ago
@AxeStar89 Yeah he is definitely not "cheating" in any way. The man just has fast feet, there are some videos on Youtube that have a better view of the bass pedals and whatnot.
20bstone 6 months ago
@AxeStar89 You are a moron. He has two cable hi-hats, one of which is to the left of his left pedal, and the other is to the right of the pedal. So he has 3 pedals at his left foot, but only one of them is an actual bass drum pedal, and if you tell me I'm lying, fuck off, I've spoken to the guy he took lessons from a couple years back (Mike Heller), who told me the exact same thing.
Fucking shit. Are you even a drummer? Cretin. Go back to playing your BTM wankcore.
Steve128967 6 months ago
the only thing about John that is disappointing... is that triple bass..... cheater.. learn from George Kollias. But John is truly amazing just a little upset about that cheater triple bass bs!!!
AxeStar89 6 months ago
@AxeStar89 Wow dude, really? Triple bass? Watch any video that shows his feet, and you'll only see 2 beaters. He does doubles. I'll quote YOU yourself and say, "before you make yourself sound like an even bigger fool..." I'm just going to assume you don't play drums. It makes it more understandable that you would think he's using something other than double strokes. It irks me that you would actually say to someone, "If you knew anything about music", and then be wrong. Ouchhhhh.
bloodlysisyo 6 months ago
Isn't this guys double bass technique like this? R R L L instead of R L R L? That's what I've heard from a buddy of mine that ran their sound on their 2010 tours.
jdmimport13 6 months ago
@jdmimport13 R R L L
NakedBubble 6 months ago
fix the song title pls :)
sicmaggoter 6 months ago
It's insane how this guy can be this calm when drumming songs like this.
yourmomisayeti 6 months ago
I want to see this guy on Discovery channel's "Time warp" show :D
xMemn0nx 7 months ago
this drummer is cheating somehow.
The feet cam doesn't match whats being played either he has duellist pedals or he's cheating using by using triggers
BloodHasBeenShed86 7 months ago
@BloodHasBeenShed86 Hahahahahahahaha CHEATING on a drumset ??? HOW??? Duellist Pedal hahahah man whats wrong with you...hes sponsert by PEARL he use the DEMONDRIVE and he plays clear doublestrokes...
chiefjustice 7 months ago
@BloodHasBeenShed86 he is using triggers but it isnt cheating you dumbass
killswitch3ngag3 6 months ago
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Nebuchadnezzer385 6 months ago
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@BloodHasBeenShed86 Doubles, heel-toe, whatever you want to call it. There is no cheating here
Nebuchadnezzer385 6 months ago
@BloodHasBeenShed86 Obviously you don't know this guys technique. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Im pretty sure he plays his double bass like this. R R L L instead of R L R L. Dude has mastered his own technique so this guy pretty much owns any drummer as far as double bass goes. How's that for cheating? I'd do some research before making yourself out to look like a fool.
jdmimport13 6 months ago
@jdmimport13 that was a friend of mine drunk who i showed the video to. im a long time fan of origin and i think its hilarious you have nothing better to do than to respond to this. and he does play with triggers. not that that means cheating but its definetly easier to maintain retarded speeds. clownshoes
BloodHasBeenShed86 6 months ago
@BloodHasBeenShed86 Well you said using triggers was cheating. Now you don't? Of course using triggers makes it easier to maintain clean consistent hits at increased speeds. That's kinda the whole point. And for the record it's not that I have anything better to do, being that it takes 90 seconds to type this message out, but it's more of an enjoyment of mine belittling other people that obviously lack in the intelligence department. Don't get mad at me because your not smart, get mad at mommy.
jdmimport13 6 months ago
seven gays votos
leospawnofpossession 7 months ago
@MBeroose yep
MrRppd2shrds 7 months ago
george is better imo
MrRppd2shrds 7 months ago
The only person that MATCHES his skill is Chuck Norris, but that's only because Chuck Norris created John Longstreth.
NSGU 7 months ago
problem with the technique is that without triggers, it sounds like soft goat plops.
EdgeStormcrow 7 months ago
Jeden z lepszych metalowych palkerow. Zapierdala jak samochodzik :) Technicznie nie do wyjebania :)
ShootGun180 7 months ago
"Reno, really?..." haha get on Origins level Reno!
AKBlastBeast 7 months ago
john is king
ive seen origin live and watching John L. is truly amazing!
maniacmex7711 7 months ago
john is king
maniacmex7711 7 months ago
ok, i think John is faster than himself...
velas1985 7 months ago
Does he have 2 pedals but with 4 things hiting ?
SinjikuAoD 7 months ago
@SinjikuAoD no. he just uses standard Pearl Demon Drive pedals.
kurtisxcore17 7 months ago
@SinjikuAoD He's using a technique called Heel-Toe. You hit once on the downstroke and again on the upstroke so its pretty much 2 hits with one fluid motion.
bloodshotneo 7 months ago
@bloodshotneo I think it sdouble strokes dude.
EdgeStormcrow 7 months ago
@EdgeStormcrow lol thats what i said. Its basically 1 motion with 2 hits. 2 hits would be a double stroke. Look at the motion of his leg. I comes down and he hits with his toe on the second stroke. The best example of his single stroke is on the slower double bass parts.
bloodshotneo 7 months ago
its retarded how easy he makes it look
Herpderpone 7 months ago
Can I have this stamina, please?
Compendyum 7 months ago
those heel-toe kicks are cool
HelloMyNameIsOde 7 months ago