i wonder why michael jordan never won without phil jackson, pippen and the rest? phil jackson has lead other teams to championships and is a big reason for jordan's success. people forget about coaches. everyone acts like jordan is unstoppable and clearly he is otherwise he would have won 3 ncaa titles, and 13 rings,i wont count washington.sure no one else is perfect but if you wanna talk about unstoppable then look up bill russell.if you want better stats how about big o and wilt? lol kids.....
@Murphdogg4 I wouldn't say brain washed. We've just seen him play countless games and win 3 Olympic gold medals and countless other medals no one else will ever have in the same collection. He hogs the ball? Well it seems to work since he would constantly dunk over or shoot over people under pressure.
this dude is an idiot. first of all the, competition back then was all about playing real basketball and not media exposure and tweets. remember, david stern has changed the game to make it more friendly for the "ive never played the game on any level and i have no idea what the game is about but im still sitting in the front row, fans. jordan transformed the way the game is played. new types of defenses were constructed.
@negustube Your an idiot if you thing Jordan's, non-passing, ballhogging, style of basketball, is better than Bird and Magic's, freeflowing, get the ball to the open man, style of offense.
@MerkinMuffly aren't you an idiot if you don't acknowledge that jordan's defense was infinitely superior to birds and especially magics? coming from a bird fan.
I agree with you 100%. Most modern sports fans are very ignorant, and they have no interest in researching sports from previous eras. Those who say previous eras of sports were weak, and players and competition today are "so much better," will hear the same arguments 50 years from now. There will be kids in the year 2030 claiming that Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe didn't play anybody good, and those who saw them play will defend them, but the newer generation won't listen to them.
@suaved Individually, there's an argument that the talent level is the same or even better (if you don't count shot making ability lol). But the older teams knew how to move the ball and play defense. And the league wasn't watered down by expansion so you legitimately had 7-10 players on every team that could start in today's league.
He is overrated, don't believe the hype or the squeaky clean hero image. In real life Jordan is a foul mouthed S.O.B just ask rapper Chamillionaire. Jordan shoes cost too much and make black people act stupid trampling each other in riots just to own a pair. He is a sellout to his people and in the game of basketball. The truth, he couldn't buy a championship into he sacrificed his own father to the illuminati elite, no conspiracy just match date and time to first championship ring. #23 is evil
Jordan wasnt shit at UNC, everybody knows that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get real dude! your stupid video with your so called what ifs and all that other b/s is hilarious to me, Michael Jordan redefined what basketball was and is today, just like Eddie Van Halen with the guitar!. To say that this man is overrated proves how stupid you really are!!! You prolly dont even play basketball, just a stat man who thinks he knows the game lol
@jdarby0788 I like the EVH reference but even EVH learned his tapping from watching Jimmy Page do it in a concert. Jordan is overrated, even if he redefined basketball from a team game to a one man show. I think this is a pretty good video and there are various other sites that can go in more detail if you look them up. BTW, men like Chamberlain, Russell, Bird, and Magic (and even Mikan) made just as much if not more impact than Jordan.
Jordan was overrated as hell!!! Plus he got away with so many phantom calls throughout the 90s thay it's ridiculous. I used to laugh when the refs blew a whistle on his jump shot and the defender never even touched him.
@Cooley96 Actually Kobe gets fouled more than the average player, and they don't call much of nothing. There were MANY times where coaches got techs because they were outraged at calls ON the Lakers but not calls FOR the Lakers. I'm just saying
@JackCephas Gets fouled more than the average player? Come to the gym or local court with me and you can see what an overly frequent foul is. I find it odd kobe only gets fouled when he's shooting poor or the game is on the line. It's so they can save his shitty shooting numbers because that's all he can do. Kobe plays no d, grabs no bounds, only plays one position, hogs the ball. He's not an all around player at all.
@Cooley96 That's street ball..anyone can get fouled all day..I can punch anyone in the mouth and won't get a "tech"; there's no refs. But in a system of RULES like the NBA, Kobe doesn't get bailed out. In fact, LAKERS barely get calls. I've seen TOO MANY games like the entire 08-09 finals where the Celtics were KILLING Kobe and no fouls were called. He didn't go to the line the other night when he had only 10 points. And he passes ALL 1st quarter. Don't know what Kobe you're watching.
@JackCephas Yeah everybody ges fouled in streetball, we play through it, not stop and cry. I can tell you're sensitive to people barely touching kobe everytime he gets ripped or blocked you probably jump up and yell, SHOOTING FOUL, REACHING FOUL!! I like how you said he didn't go line and because of it he only got 10 points LMAO point proven.
@Cooley96 I'm not sensitive, but when he goes to the line 2 times PER GAME, there is a huge problem when Dirk, or Lebron go almost 10+ times a game. Let's be real. And the reason I said he didn't go to the line that much when he only had 10 points that night was because KOBE was shooting PISS-POOR and YOU said "They only bail him out when he's shooting poorly" which I just proved is a LIE..oh, and he's leading the NBA with almost 30 PPG, but I guess that's all because of the REFS. Lol
@JackCephas Mind giving me a box score of this game? Lebron is now shooting 10 ft's in his prime, kobe was doing the same in his prime. You act like he's not going to the line an average of 7.3 times this season anyway.
@Cooley96 Hawks vs. Lakers (78-86) Kobe only scored 10 points the entire game and didn't go to the line ONCE. The Lakers only had 9 FT attempts, while the Hawks had 14. As for Kobe, he avg 7.6 in the season, his best SINCE 07, but compared to the NBA's"beloved" Lebron, it's not much. Kobe's highest FT attempts came in 04, 05, and 06 when he wasn't winning Finals. Other than that..he averages 7.6 his career..LEBRON averages 8.9, with the lowest attempts being his first yr! Coincidence?
@JackCephas One game doesn't change the fact that kobe is top 5 for free throw attempts and shot 10 freethrows for 4 seasons straight. In his highest scorng games he's always shot more the 20 freethrows.
@Cooley96 Kobe only had 3 10 free throw seasons, which still averaged worse than Lebron's 3 10 free throw seasons. Although they weren't back to back..you might as well say he had 5, because in between those 3 seasons, Lebron had 2 9-shot seasons. Kobe also stays on the floor more than most of the NBA, and he's only a few secs behind Dwight, which avgs 11 FTA. Now come on. Lol. The most FTs Kobe shot in one game this season has been 14, and that's only ONCE in 4 of his 14 pt games.
@JackCephas It's safe to say kobe had 4 consistent 10 ft seasons he did have one that was 9 tha can still be rounded to 10. Lebron is just the same. Lebron & Howarddo benefit from those fluff calls but ask yourself who pioneered it?
@Cooley96 Well if Kobe had 4, God help us with Lebron, because that is NOT the same. He NEVER had a season shooting UNDER 8 FT per game except in his first year..Even Dwight had ONE after his first year..just one..but Kobe..plenty of 7 seasons. It didn't start with Kobe, That started with the guy whom this video is about. Lol
@9612Max Bitch you don't even have any uploads on your channel so what the hell are you talking about, "check out my video and see the truth" your points about jordan might mean something if you weren't saying kobe is better. That's just flat out dumb.
@9612Max If last you checked you weren't a female dog then you need to check again, because your brain functions like one. You don't even know my mother that's an adolescent irritant tactic anyway. A jackass is a 4 legged mix breed animal which Im not because you have no knowledge of my physical appearance.
@Cooley96 (SIGH :\ do you really wanna do this back and fourth you don't agree with my views i disagree with your's Okay dude if you wanna talk ball then lets do it otherwise Shut your mouth.
@Cooley96 I'm burnt out from debates trust me your not the only person who've had words with so hit me up later on my channel when ever you wanna debate just not for moment
@Cooley96 Now I'm a die-hard Laker fan, but I'm not blind to issues..and lately Kobe has been inconsistent in his shooting and has been turning the ball over lately, BUT he does play good defense, and makes it hard for shooters to shot if he is guarding them, regardless of where they are on the floor. I see that also. Pau Gasol has been getting more points than Kobe lately, if not being up there with him..so how does Kobe hog the ball?
@JackCephas Secondly of course kobe can lock someone down on d he's the only decent shooting guard in the league. No competition for him at that spot. You talk like kobe should get a cookie or some brownie points every time he passes the ball. He's a guard, he's supposed to bass the ball.
@Cooley96 THEN, you say Kobe can't play D THEN turn around and say he can lock someone down because he's the only shooting guard in the league..since WHEN did ANYBODY in Basketball become OBLIGATED to guard only their same position? Lol..then I made the point about him passing the ball because YOU said he hogs the ball. How in hell can he hog the ball when he leads the team in APG, and barely scores in the first HALF? I never said he deserved anything, YOU just said he did nothing.
@JackCephas People are obligate to defend their same position in some of the most basic defensive plays. Two three zone & man to man? It'd be idiotic to have some one whos a shooting guard at 6'3 try to defend a 6'9 forward like Durant but I guess? He leads his team with 5 apg not wowing numbers, 5 successful passes out of 2 hours of playing? Sounds like a ball hog to me. It's a shame that no other lakers have more than 5 assist, they're all ballhogs.
So if Jordan is number two all time in field goal attempts per game who is number one? Do you have a chart that shows the all time field goal attempts per game?
Wow....the Lakers would've beat MJ in the finals had Worthy not sprained his ankle...had Vlade Divac not been a flopper, etc etc. Yeah...and if Kobe and Shaq hadn't been fighting in '03/'04 they would've beat the Pistons (maybe true), etc etc. The point is, sports are filled with what if's and injuries. Ever heard the expression "it's a part of the game?" Well...it is!!! Here's an argument like that FOR MJ...had he not retired, the Bulls would have won 8 straight! That's the logic you're using!
Notice the clever editing on the Dr. J and Bird quotes when they were just about to get to, "BUT.." :Plus...no one was calling Jordan the greatest anything when he was at UNC. If someone says he's the greatest college player ever, then yes...they're full of shit...but that's not the argument for the "Greatest ever" that you hear.
I made a spreadhseet that analyzes players across all stat categories by figuring out how many points stuff like rebounds are worth (based on a mathematical model using NBA average figures). I then tally up how many ppg a guy impacts if all other players were avg. Jordan is tremendously overrated.
I've got:
1. Chamberlain
2. Magic
3. Lebron
4. Oscar Robertson
5. MJ
The best part is I can factor for differences in years played by comparing to the overall NBA average. Chamberlain is by far #1.
@Biswalt: Reason he scored a lot is he shot a lot. Jordan hit 48.5% of all his shots... so he missed 51.5% of the time. So you need a boards guy so Jordan can shoot more.
In 92-93 Ho Grant retained about 3.7 possessions/game above average. So by having Ho Grant it made about a 3 point difference per game (rebs = 0.78 pts in my system b/c of math) to the bulls, and esp. Jordan. Cause Jordan that year took 28% of all bulls shots. So Jordan made about 2.2 pts per game more b/c Grants rebs
@Biswalt hmm thats some interesting math. Im surprised Lebron is that high, could you show me a link as to how you did this spreadsheet? Or could you upload it? Im kinda curious about this.
You probably never watched basketball in the 90s. Maybe the guards have gotten better in this past decade, but to say Jordan had no competition is ridiculous. Just like this generation forgot about Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, and Reggie Miller, the next generation will forget about greats shooting guards like Dwyane Wade, Manu Ginnobli, and Ray Allen.
@sgv1414 I think the video maker (that is who you are talking to, right?) is trying to explain that maybe before there was more competition from a condensed league. Jordan did have competition (and some very good) but he might have faced them on less of a basis than teams before. But I am not the maker of this video so I am not sure.
Who cares what Jordan did or didnt do in College, you shitted on every team that the bulls faced in the finals. If these teams were so bad how they even get to the finals? and the 90s was the weakest era? you buggin. we dont see Centers anymore, outside shooters like in the 90s, defense was tougher because of hand checking, and what does expansion teams have to do with anything with the bulls winning championships? if u compare the bulls roster to any championship team from con't
Like I said you giving Grant way too much credit. Grant was not a great defender he was an average shot blocker that got about 8 or 9 rebounds a game. He got his 6 rings as the leader of the team, 6-0 in the finals with 6 finals MVP. When Jordan mastered the game he started to win, how do you expect to win a chip with a old Gervin and role player like Charles Oakley which you did mention in the video at his young age?when he joined the team they went to the playoffs every year thats valuable
@shawngad83 Hey first off could you do me a favor and put a "@" sign followed by name or just reply to me because that way I get an email that someone replied. Thanks. And second off, I didn't make this video.
@shawngad83 Ok to start off, no one is giving Grant too much credit. Grant was the anchor of the Doberman Defense. He was the reason the Bulls defense could press and trap because he was still quick enough to run back in time to grab the rebounds. He also had a good mid range shot, and had a much better free throw than Rodman. In fact when the Bulls lost him in 94-95 their wins went down and ironically lost to his team in the playoffs (with Jordan.)
@shawngad83 Going to the playoffs isn't exactly winning at will. And we all know Jordan is only worth 2 wins so as you say I couldn't expect Jordan to win with players such as Oakley and Gervin because he doesn't make them better. Jordan never won because he "mastered the game" he won because he was surrounded by talent. I think the maker of the video is saying the 90s are a weaker era than the 60s, 70s, 80s, but probably not the era of today.
@straty899 Jordan made Grant, Jordan demanded excellent that's what a true leader is. He was a leader on & off the court and he learned to play with the guys he had. when he first came into the league he was young and immature but still won.Having a record good enough for the playoffs is winning,especially when the team missed the playoffs like 4 years in a row before he got there. you put any other star in MJ place and you see how chips they win. Not Magic, not Bird, Not Kobe.
@shawngad83 All of those stars you mentioned are leaders. What about Russell though? He was a true winner (11 ships, took a terrible college team to win with a record-breaking W-L record), and when he is taken out of the equation his team doesnt make the playoffs and drops over 15 games. If I put any of those stars (besides maybe Kobe, since he is an MJ rip-off for the most part lol) the teams would breeze through multiple championships. Grant made Grant not Jordan silly boy.
@straty899 And besides what player won a championship without talent? you still havent pointed out a championship team that was less talented than jordan team. This video is bullsh*t when Jordan joined the wizards they was 5th in the east untill he went out with knee injuries. Jordan was way past his prime. He took a poor wizards team and got them 5th in the east.
@shawngad83 A championship team with less talent: Utah Jazz (2 HOF) Supersonics: (0 HOF) as compared to the Bulls: (3-4 HOF - Parish was in the 96 season lol.) No one wins without talent because winning is a team effort (just ask Wilt Chamberlain, the most dominating player of all time.) However that said, a player can make an effort to keep his team winning. Jordan is worth 2 wins, Johnson 15. Bird 15, Oscar Robertson 21, Chamberlain 13, Russell 14. Not even a contest.
@straty899 you just as silly as this video man. The fact that you added Parish to the roster which had bum knees and couldn't produce shows ur lack of knowledge for the game. When I said name a championship team that had less talent you name Supersonics and Utah, They not championship teams because they didn't win a ring. So you still didn't answer my question. Jordan took less talent and won rings.
@shawngad83 Calm down boy. I added Parish as a joke (do you understand what "lol" means?) Supersonics and Jazz are both championship teams (although not winners.) But what about say the 2006 Miami Heat or the 2004 Pistons? Just like the Bulls they were in a watered down expansion league (which is why 3 HOF is alot) as compared to earlier times when 4-5 HOF were needed JUST to win. Also anyone who uses "ur" shouldn't be insulting anyone's knowledge. Good day.
this nigga just a fucking hater... smells like a Knicks fan to me MJ is God your videos are weak. i watched the man play from day 1 and none of these guys in the L today are worthy enough to be mentioned in the same breath. hate all u want its still only a matter of opinion but dont forget. scoring championships, MVP, titles are real. not just speculative opinion.. eat my nutt homothug
A recurring theme also for MJ is that he was never really guarded by guys who could keep up with him. Guys such as John Starks, Joe Dumars, Hersey Hawkins, Dan Majerle, Kevin Johnson, Jeff Hornacek. Those guys were either slow on their feet, short or unathletic and couldnt keep up with him
@Projectpat12 Well he came back at age 40 and played against the more "athletic" players who could keep up......and how'd that work out? He still scored on them whenever he wanted.
MJ is not overrated, his career awards & Accomplishments prove that. You giving horace grant too much credit hes not a HOF,wasnt a blocker niether. All you guys mention like Bird,Magic,Isiah had good big men. Magic had Kareem, Bird had Parish & Mchale, Isiah had Bill Laimbeer and Rodman. Jordan had luc longley and will perdue as his centers.All his dudes had atleast 3 HOF guys on his team. Not taking anything away from those guys which I but Jordan got the job done no matter who he had.
@shawngad83 Jordan didn't always get the job done no matter who he had... Jordan didn't get a single championship his first 6 years with players such as Gervin, Woolridge, Oakley, Cartwright, etc. Jordan couldn't win without A. Pippen controlling the offense and B. A strong interior defender and rebounder (Grant and Rodman.) All championship teams have a good offensive leader and a good rebounder, and a good team defense... Jordan's teams were no different.
@straty899 Who made Pippen into who he is? It was MJ who tortured Pippen in practice everyday, that's how Pippen became the Pippen we know. Hell, if Pippen went to another team the guy would be an average player at best. MJ pushed all his players, all the scrubs on his team like Longley, Buechler, Kerr, Wennington, Purdue, Simpkins, Randy Brown, Ron Harper to be at least passable players so that they can contribute.
@LifeFirst Pippen made Pippen. Pippen was a great defender who had his best season without Jordan. Pippen lead the offense and even without Jordan would be an allstar, 1st team defensive player, and would probably still win a 'ship or few. Ron Harper was a better player before he was with Jordan and when he came to the Bulls he knew his role. In fact Harper made Jordan a better player because he guarded the quicker guards that Jordan couldn't.
@straty899 Wrong. Pippen didn't make Pippen. Check out his first couple of years with the Bulls, the guy was mentally soft as hell, no offensive game whatsoever. Yeah by the Jordan left he was a Superstar but when he first came into the league he was nothing. And Ron Harper? This guy was one of the worst signings the Bulls ever did, MJ was still retired at the time. He was supposed to be a 20 point scorer to "replace" MJ, he averaged 6 points a game with bummed knees. He was done.
@LifeFirst Pippen made Pippen lol. Yes he had a few rough beginning years (with jordan mind you) but his work ethic eventually came about and he started making players. No offensive game? He ran the offense lol and still came out with 18+ points per game (the best you can do with the Queen Ballhog on the team.) Ron Harper was signed for his defense, not his offense. In fact he replaced Jordan on defense in essence since he usually took the harder man to guard.
@shawngad83 I find it funny that you put that Isiah had Rodman and Jordan had him too in his last 3peat. Yeah Jordan never had an all-star center, but he had good "big men" in the forms of Grant and Rodman. Both were great defenders (Rodman 2 time DPOY, 7 time rebounding champion)(Grant the key to the Doberman defense, solid rebounder, and could score.) Lets not forget Tony Kukoc who provided great offensive spurts coming off the bench, who won 6th man of the year in 96.
"He can score anything he wants. There is no way to stop him. How can you defense him? The only way I know is to lock the door to the dressing room before he comes out."
- Ed MacAuley
"I don't think it's fair to compare players in different eras, but he was about as dominant as any one player could be in any sport. I looked at him like he was invincible." - Larry Brown
That's an opposing player saying that. The defense rests
Of all the stupid things I've heard in my life, someone trying to tell me MJ is overrated is by far the dumbest. Throw all the stats away, the one and only thing anyone needs to know about Michael Jordan is what coach George Karl said about him, he said;
"People don't understand its not his jumping or his jump shot or his defense, it's his inner guts and his inner heart. You're going to have to cut Michael Jordan's heart out to beat him."
That's an opposing coach saying that. The defense rests
@ak231510 Stupid argument. Here's some about Wilt:
"He can score anything he wants. There is no way to stop him. How can you defense him? The only way I know is to lock the door to the dressing room before he comes out."
- Ed MacAuley
"I don't think it's fair to compare players in different eras, but he was about as dominant as any one player could be in any sport. I looked at him like he was invincible." - Larry Brown
That's an opposing coach saying that. The defense rests
@straty899 except those are just general he's good statements, The whole jordan's will to win thing is one of those paramount points that he legacy is built on and the thing that separates him from everyone else. And you have an opposing coach confirming that view of him. No other player in the history of the game has ever been as big when it counted as jordan.
@ak231510 How bout Bill Russell? 11 rings? Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, Pippen. You sing about a few plays but I'm talking about the guys who actually had a profound impact if their team lost them. Jordan is worth 2 wins to the Bulls, could do nothing until he had Pippen and a dominant inside man while everyone simply brushes by the fact that he had good teammates. His teammates do better without his selfish ballhogging. Russell or Chamberlain GOAT.
@straty899 A profound impact? Where is the ring from 94 for the Bulls? I don't give a shit about regular season records because the only thing that matters is the playoffs. If the Bulls had won without Jordan than you would have an argument, but the team that they always beat with MJ (The Knicks) they couldn't, and they won three championships the previous three seasons, but were unable to even get to the Eastern Conference Championship without him. That is the impact right there
@ak231510 Thats no impact. They lost on a controversial call (Im a Knicks fan and I think it was a blown call.) The fact is the Bulls still did good without the "GOAT." You remove Russell from the equation in a harder league and the team doesn't go in the playoffs. Which is better? Who had more of an impact? Same with Robertson. You are a blind fan who is influenced by media hype. I bet you havent researched anything I told you that you should. Remove the veil!
@ak231510 No impact when they replaced him with a ABA player who scored 7 ppg. Tell me another team who can replace a "psuedo-GOAT" like that and still go towards winning a conference title. Again did you look up the game 7 controversial call? No.
@straty899 You must also be aware that in the 94-95 season they had a 34-35 record until MJ came back for the final 17 games where they then went 13-4. And you'll say why didnt he win when he came back, to which I relpy, because he hadn't played in two years and the fact that he could comeback and still average 24.6 points per game is amazing, then he backed it up the following season by then going 72-10. From 34-35 without him to 72-10 the next season. Impact !
@ak231510 Again who came to the team? Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, and oh I dont know 2 expansion teams! He had no court rust thats bullcrap! He had on of the greatest games of career, a game for the decade, when he was... Rusty? No. The team lacked an inside power player and rebounder and ironically lost to Horace Grant's team. When they got Rodman (the league's best post defender and rebounder) then they could win again. Answer my questions about research please.
@straty899 They got ron harper and dennis rodman is your argument? Both players who were well passed their primes. Both good, but rodman was no longer the DPOY, still a good rebounder, but adding him did not give the bulls an inside game. They had largely the same team in 94-95 they had in 95-96. The fact that you ignored the bulls were 34-35 without MJ in 94 only proves my point further
@ak231510 I am sorry young boy, but you are an idiot. Once again Rodman was NOT passed his prime. The bulls were 34-35 because they didn't have Grant (a key to their success as pointed out earlier.) Rodman was NOT passed his prime, he still led the league in rebounds 3 times, and many think he was the MVP of the 96 finals. Rodman was the best interior defender, but not DPOY anymore, i agree. Harper was a bit gone, but he still guarded the better guards than Jordan (in later years.)
@ak231510 Hahaha I have deconstructed your arguments for the crap they are you still are going! This is a finger workout lol but its fun. The Bulls players had better years than ever without ballhog Jordan and let me guess, theres some weak excuse for that. Have you actually watched the Bulls games? Have you even researched some of the 60s games/players? Honest question, and you have eluded me many times on it. I want to know what kind of Jordan sycophant im debating with. Haha
@straty899 Deconstructed my argument? How, because you said the players averaged more without Jordan? Of course they did, they had to. They didn't win shit without him is the point. And I watched every single bulls game in the 90s, including that "blown call," the Bulls were lucky to be in that situation, they were not a great team and if kukoc didnt hit an amazing buzz beater in game 3, there would have been no game 7. That bulls team was lucky to be there.
@ak231510 Ok where was Jordan without Pippen Grant and Rodman? Why couldnt he win before these players? Also why do you think he is the greatest, what is the criteria?
@straty899 Not to mention that you are basing those two more wins on only the previous season. In 92, they won 67 games (12 more). One of the points of MJ wanting to retire is because he said he was burnt out in 93. He just won the title in 92 then did the olympics and that to come back and win another title in 93, so they weren't exactly dominant in the reg season that yr, but when finals came, all MJ did was set the mark for ppg in the finals with 43.
@straty899 1998, pippen was hurt a lot that year, and in the finals against the jazz he was a non factor. Jordan scored 45 of the bulls 87 points, made the basket to pull within one, then the steal from Malone and the game winning jumper. No one does that. You can talk about any player you want, no one touches that kind of greatest or had that refuse to lose air about them and then continually backed it up. Game winners, taking IVs to be able to beat the jazz in 97, the list goes on. MJ GOAT
1. The entire league was weaker in the 90's because 6 expansion teams diluted the talent. True, but this would mean Jordans team was diluted as well and they still managed a 72-10 season. If the NBA went to 100 teams today, and every team had one superstar it would actually showcase who was a better team player. Would you pick the team led by LeBron James or the team led by Blake Griffen?
2. Jordan does not make his team mates better because he never passes the ball, never plays defense, never
However I have always maintained the 93 Suns were the best team the Bulls beat in the Finals, and that team actually had more talent top to bottom. The experience factor, given the fact that the Bulls went to the Finals the previous 2 years, was the biggest difference between those 2 teams. PHX was also w/o an injured Cedric Ceballos, who started 46 gms for them in that series. Not sayin they win if he's healthy, but it was another slight break for the Bulls.
2) While I agree that the Bulls never really faced an intimating post defender in the finals (and it would've given them problems) they did, as you pointed out, beat NY year after year. They had Ewing, a great defender as you said, and a bunch of other rugged defenders (Oakley, Mason, Smith, X Man if you go back further). So you cant really have it both ways saying they couldnt have beat a team w/ good interior D. You gotta give the Bulls some credit somewhere along the line.
This was an interesting and entertaining video. I do have a few things to say that may have already been pointed out, but i didnt read all the other comments.
1) The biggest argument seems to be the watered-down competition & you point to the 80s Lakers/Cs as a benchmark for adequate comp. But 1 could say Magic & Bird benefited from the concentrated talent pool just as much as MJ benefited from a watered-down NBA. Kareem, Coop, McHale, Parish, Worthy, DJ & Maxwell are pretty damn good teammates
alright, my last comment: put this in the youtube searchbar right when MerkinMuffy writes that the there would have been no "waltzing into the lane" if Mark Eaton and Thurl Bailey" had been playing: Michael Jordan Dunks on Thuryl Bailey and Mark Eaton vs.Jazz
@marzilyas Dunking and winning games are 2 different things, he dunked a lot against Bird's Celtics, yet was swept 2 years by Bird. MJ didn't have a winning record against the Eaton and Bailey, he did have a winning record against Ostertag & Russell. Are you saying Ostertag & Russell are better than Eaton and Bailey? That's why most of you Jockers are ignorant of the intricacies of the game, all you care about is points & dunks, if that was all there was to b-ball, I'd declare MJ the goat to.
@marzilyas You don't know shit about basketball if you think Kareem was "Gossamer" on defense, LMAO. Kareem was on the All-Defensive team 5 times and All-Defensive 2nd team 6 times. Kareem is 2nd ALL-TIME in defensive win shares in front of Wilt,Hakeem, Duncan, Ewing and Robinson. He's only behind Bill Russell. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Kareem, the 8th leading player All-Time in blocks per game is gossamer, LMAO, get the fuck out of here, you know nothing of basketball.
@marzilyas Why would I care if Mullin was in the Hall of Fame? Oh wait, I see, your going to play the Race Card, well I guess that's all you got, since I've blown your weak-ass arguments out of the water. Settle down Spike Lee, if anyone is a racist it's you for bringing up race. I base my arguments on stats and facts, race doesn't come into it unless you bring it. You obviously don't know much about basketball, next time, you should do The Right Thing and leave race out of this.
@MerkinMuffly this video has as much dislikes than likes. i rarely see that ratio on a video with so little views. just proves how much more fans jordan has.
@cr7cp3 The fact that the like to dislike ratio is 1:1 shows that I know what I'm talking about. Look at all the other anti-MJ videos on youtube and the dislikes far outweigh the likes because of MJ sycophants like you that base their opinions off of media-hype and shoe sales instead of hard stats, MJ made no one around him better, Pippen was more responsible for the wins than MJ, now go vote up some videos showcasing MJ's ball-hogging skills like the other herds of Jockers out there, moooo.
This "diluted league" argument is bullshit. Wouldn't the other, already-good teams dominate, too? If MJ was as weak as MerkinMuffy says, why didn't the Jazz or the Sonics win any of those championship series? I'm sure there is some other excuse coming. MerkinMuffy already banned me once from commenting on his videos. He REALLY doesn't like arguing with people smarter than him.
@marzilyas Are you retarded, they didn't win the series because they were watered down, how do I spell it out for you that the Jazz with Ostertag and Bryon Russell were not that good and only won 60 games in the 90s because it sucked. The 90s Jazz and Supersonics would have struggled to get to .500 in 1987, simple as that.
@marzilyas Your funny, you think a league that adds 6 new teams isn't diluted. Guess you think adding water to whiskey doesn't effect the alcohol content, LMAO. I banned you because I get tired of arguing with idiots that can't back up their OPINIONS (not arguments) with facts. You get all your b-ball knowledge from shoe commercials & ESPN Highlights. Calling Kareem "Gossamer" on defense exposes your poor b-ball IQ, go somewhere else to declare your bromance with MJ, it's not happening here
@marzilyas Pippen had his best year without MJ, shot his best FG% ever without MJ in 94. Grant shot a better fg% without MJ in 94, your wrong, MJ did not make anyone around him better, see part 2 moron.
Jordan is overrated because...he gets more credit than Keith Smart and Scottie Thurman...throw it all against the wall, hope something sticks, I guess
@guidi2005 Ewing is 8th all time in Defensive Win Shares and 28th all-time in Defensive rating, so yeah, I'd call him a defensive center. He's not even in the top 100 in Offensive win shares, only 153rd. He's not even in the top 250 in Offensive rating is, so there you go...
@MerkinMuffly Ewing is 16th all time leading scorer, 1st all time Knick scorer. 50% FG 74% FT. He is simply one of the best Offensive players that has ever lived. You must be young not to know how great he was and I don't hold that against you but just take a second and look at the numbers please. Now are you really going to call the 16th leading scorer in NBA history a defensive player? You are a total moron and should'nt talk about basketball at all, go away.
@freedog2011 dipshit, you don't go by career totals, you go by per game to find the best. Is Kareem the greatest scorer ever because he has more points than MJ? No, he played for 20 years. His 24 ppg isn't close to MJs 30 ppg . Ewing scored 21 ppg for a career, that's 37th. Parish is 19th all time in points scored, is he one of the greatest offensive centers ever? Ewing's efficiency rating is 43rd alltime behind Bosch, I guess Bosch is one of the greatest offensive players in history to, huh?
@MerkinMuffly We weren't talking about the best numb-nut, you claimed Ewing was a defensive center. I proved you wrong so now your turning this into if Ewing was Kareem like? You block people that prove you wrong which can only mean one of two things, you are either a child or a coward.
@freedog2011 Ewing had a decent ppg, but he was not efficient on offense, all of his contemporaries shot a better fg% than Ewing: Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt, Parish, McHale, Robinson, Mourning. Ewing missed a lot of shots for a center. Like I said in my video, when you think of the greatest offensive centers, Ewing is not in the conversation, that is a fact. If he was so damn great, why didn't he win the title when MJ left in 94 & 95, 99, etc. He maybe a top 10 center, but for D more than O
@MerkinMuffly I wont argue the points you made here, like I said you made the claim that Ewing was a defensive center and clearly you are backing away from that, so that's good to see. Yes he's a top ten center and no top ten center can be called a defensive center, that's for people like Bol, Eaton, Wallace and Mutombo.
in the interviews with Bird and Dr. J you cut them off before they start to defend the quality of the league.... its rare to find an MJ hater these days but you clearly have something against him. Were you a jazz/suns fan? hahaha
@turtles79...HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT EVERY MJ FAN SAYS EXACTLY THE SAME THING WHEN DEFENDING JORDAN...JORDAN FANS ARE LIKE JIM JONES FOLLOWERS ON KOOL-AID....JORDAN FANS HAVE NO THOUGHTS OF THEIR OWN...YOU LOONS JUST PARROT THE MEDIA...EVERYONE WHO KNOWS BASKETBALL KNOWS THAT #1..JORDAN MATCHED UP WITH MORE CUPCAKES THAN A HOSTESS FACTORY...TO PROVE YOU DON'T HAVE A THOUGHT OF YOUR OWN....NAME ME 5 GREAT PLAYERS THAT MJ MATCHED UP WITH IN THEIR PRIME...A MATCHUP IS WHEN 2 PLAYERS D EACH OTHER UP
@bumperboy2sports You said nothing to argue against what I said all you did was use caps locks. Can you name me 5 "great" players that anyone matched up against in their primes? MJ did match up against Rodman and he also consistently scored over players like Hakeem, David Robinson, Ewing, and others. And one last thing what did I say that every MJ fan says? That this guy didnt include the full interviews in his video?
@RohoicRamz94 PERKINS IS AT LEAST ONE OF THE TOP 10 PLAYERS EVER AT NORTH CAROLINA, AND MJ CAN'T EVEN GET HIM TO THE FINAL 4 ALONG WITH DAUGHERTY AND KENNY SMITH, SO IN CONCLUSION, MJ MAKES NO ONE AROUND HIM BETTER BUT MJ.
@RohoicRamz94 DUMB JOCKER. YOU FAIL TO MENTION THAT BIRD HAD AN INJURED HAND AND DID NOT PLAY IN THE 2ND GAME OF THE 1983 SERIES BECAUSE OF A HIGH FEVER, SO BIRD HAS NEVER BEEN SWEPT, HE LOST 3 GAMES, TO BE SWEPT HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO LOSE 4 GAMES. YOU ALSO FAIL TO MENTION THAT MAXWELL, MCHALE AND CARR WERE DELIBERATELY SABOTAGING THE 83 SERIES WITH THE BUCKS BECAUSE THEY WANTED COACH FITCH FIRED. FYI THE 83 BUCKS HAD 2 HALL OF FAMERS: BOB LANIER & DAVE COWENS, THE 85 BUCKS HAD 0 HALL OF FAMERS
@RohoicRamz94 LMAO, YOUR AN IDIOT, THE 83 BUCKS HAD BOB LANIER AND DAVE COWENS, BOTH HALL OF FAMERS, SO THE 83 BUCKS WERE UNDERRATED, THE ONLY THING YOU GOT RIGHT WAS THE 0 HALL OF FAMERS ON THE 85 BUCKS, MJ=OVERRATED YET AGAIN.
his stats says it all.. GOAT>.. merkinmuffy is a hater..
kentotzz 5 hours ago
Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest offensive force and most dominant player of all time.
Avg 50.1 points ppg > 27
eeveeisland347 4 days ago
Great Video! Truth is being told here
boxingfan510 4 days ago
i wonder why michael jordan never won without phil jackson, pippen and the rest? phil jackson has lead other teams to championships and is a big reason for jordan's success. people forget about coaches. everyone acts like jordan is unstoppable and clearly he is otherwise he would have won 3 ncaa titles, and 13 rings,i wont count washington.sure no one else is perfect but if you wanna talk about unstoppable then look up bill russell.if you want better stats how about big o and wilt? lol kids.....
rocketanko2 5 days ago
MerkinMuffly, you are a hater, fuck off
MJ GOAT
tsoprano1977 6 days ago
Also are you saying in that comment that kobe is better then jordan? Kobe hogs it just as much if not more.
arexyouxepicxenough 1 week ago
@arexyouxepicxenough How is that possible when Jordan took more shots PER GAME than Kobe. C'mon man!!
champion909 1 week ago
@champion909 Are you kidding? Kobe barely passes it around however he almost touches jordans level of clutches. He is almost as good as him.
arexyouxepicxenough 1 week ago
@arexyouxepicxenough Jordan=22.9 shots per game (Career) Kobe= 19.5 shots per game (Career)
champion909 1 week ago
@champion909 Exactly.
arexyouxepicxenough 1 week ago
You are 100% correct in this video, of course people are so brainwashed they will never believe it.
Murphdogg4 2 weeks ago
@Murphdogg4 I wouldn't say brain washed. We've just seen him play countless games and win 3 Olympic gold medals and countless other medals no one else will ever have in the same collection. He hogs the ball? Well it seems to work since he would constantly dunk over or shoot over people under pressure.
arexyouxepicxenough 1 week ago
@Murphdogg4 MJ is the greatest!
Domini478 1 week ago
should invent new accounts just to give this more thumbs up! I
Murphdogg4 2 weeks ago
Jordan is waaay overrated, played in a watered down league. He was guarded by cupcakes like Craig Ehlo, and Vinnie Johnson. Pfffffffft! W/e.
espdemon 3 weeks ago
this dude is an idiot. first of all the, competition back then was all about playing real basketball and not media exposure and tweets. remember, david stern has changed the game to make it more friendly for the "ive never played the game on any level and i have no idea what the game is about but im still sitting in the front row, fans. jordan transformed the way the game is played. new types of defenses were constructed.
negustube 3 weeks ago
@negustube Your an idiot if you thing Jordan's, non-passing, ballhogging, style of basketball, is better than Bird and Magic's, freeflowing, get the ball to the open man, style of offense.
MerkinMuffly 3 weeks ago
@MerkinMuffly MJ could pass...ole dumbass!
Domini478 1 week ago
@MerkinMuffly
In 1988-1989, Jordan avged 32.5 pts a game on 54% FGA, 8 ASSISTS PER GAME and 8 Rebs.
Fuck you on calling him a ball hog you old faggot, he was a SHOOTING GUARD, SHOOTING GUARDS SHOOT, NUMBNUTS.
Greatest of all time and all you can do is hate...haters gonna hate.
disliked your gay video
tsoprano1977 6 days ago
@MerkinMuffly aren't you an idiot if you don't acknowledge that jordan's defense was infinitely superior to birds and especially magics? coming from a bird fan.
wiensiebaby 19 hours ago
WHOEVER UPLOAD THIS VIDEO IS A COMPLETE IDIOT...
WHAT A JOKE...
sunnyboy8644 3 weeks ago
I think Larry was the Best to play.
xKiDxInSaNeX 4 weeks ago
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Bulls in 1993 with MJ won 57 games vs Bulls in 1994 with out MJ won 55 games. Only a 2 game difference
Compare that to other great players who left teams in their prime.
Lebron left Cavs 42 game difference.
Shaq left Magic 15 game difference.
Shaq left Lakers 22 game difference.
Magic left Lakers 15 game difference.
Mosses Malone left Rockets 32 game difference.
Kidd left Suns 15 game difference.
FACTS ARE Jordan had the greatest supporting cast ever that is why he won 6 championships
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tatertots00 4 weeks ago
The majority of basketball fans are ignorant and the media banks on that.
FavreianVengeance 1 month ago
@FavreianVengeance
I agree with you 100%. Most modern sports fans are very ignorant, and they have no interest in researching sports from previous eras. Those who say previous eras of sports were weak, and players and competition today are "so much better," will hear the same arguments 50 years from now. There will be kids in the year 2030 claiming that Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe didn't play anybody good, and those who saw them play will defend them, but the newer generation won't listen to them.
suaved 3 weeks ago
@suaved Individually, there's an argument that the talent level is the same or even better (if you don't count shot making ability lol). But the older teams knew how to move the ball and play defense. And the league wasn't watered down by expansion so you legitimately had 7-10 players on every team that could start in today's league.
FavreianVengeance 3 weeks ago
He is overrated, don't believe the hype or the squeaky clean hero image. In real life Jordan is a foul mouthed S.O.B just ask rapper Chamillionaire. Jordan shoes cost too much and make black people act stupid trampling each other in riots just to own a pair. He is a sellout to his people and in the game of basketball. The truth, he couldn't buy a championship into he sacrificed his own father to the illuminati elite, no conspiracy just match date and time to first championship ring. #23 is evil
MultiAnonymous187 1 month ago
@MultiAnonymous187 There are many conspiaicies around that death.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
mj is garbage he ruined basketball magic and birds teams would destroy him
oOWrvOo12 1 month ago
@oOWrvOo12 Yup. The 90s Bulls were so weak compared to the 80s Celts, Lakers and Sixers.
FavreianVengeance 1 month ago
your arguments are nit picking and ridiculous. video disliked.
QuincyJones2263 1 month ago
@QuincyJones2263 My comments are backed up by facts and stats, your comment is not, comment thumbed-down and user banned :)
MerkinMuffly 3 weeks ago
merkinmuffly = boston homer mj hater. pretty obvious. your points are complete shit.
MjOwnsKobe23 1 month ago
@MjOwnsKobe23 I can tell by your name that your an MJ homer and Kobe hater, so how's that different from me? What's your point?
MerkinMuffly 1 month ago
@MjOwnsKobe23 im from boston and i think jordans best of all time....?
dragonsfoe99 3 weeks ago
Nobody said he was bad. Just overrated. True as fuck!
ATG52 1 month ago
Jordan wasnt shit at UNC, everybody knows that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get real dude! your stupid video with your so called what ifs and all that other b/s is hilarious to me, Michael Jordan redefined what basketball was and is today, just like Eddie Van Halen with the guitar!. To say that this man is overrated proves how stupid you really are!!! You prolly dont even play basketball, just a stat man who thinks he knows the game lol
jdarby0788 1 month ago
@jdarby0788 I like the EVH reference but even EVH learned his tapping from watching Jimmy Page do it in a concert. Jordan is overrated, even if he redefined basketball from a team game to a one man show. I think this is a pretty good video and there are various other sites that can go in more detail if you look them up. BTW, men like Chamberlain, Russell, Bird, and Magic (and even Mikan) made just as much if not more impact than Jordan.
straty899 1 month ago
@jdarby0788 "you prolly dont even play basketball" good one, you prolly didn't finish 3rd grade
MerkinMuffly 1 month ago
@MerkinMuffly hahahaha
rkra0121 1 month ago
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jdarby0788 1 month ago
Jordan was overrated as hell!!! Plus he got away with so many phantom calls throughout the 90s thay it's ridiculous. I used to laugh when the refs blew a whistle on his jump shot and the defender never even touched him.
DevilzDandruff 1 month ago
@DevilzDandruff Kobe gets that shit in his favor too.
Cooley96 1 month ago
@Cooley96 Actually Kobe gets fouled more than the average player, and they don't call much of nothing. There were MANY times where coaches got techs because they were outraged at calls ON the Lakers but not calls FOR the Lakers. I'm just saying
JackCephas 3 weeks ago
@JackCephas Gets fouled more than the average player? Come to the gym or local court with me and you can see what an overly frequent foul is. I find it odd kobe only gets fouled when he's shooting poor or the game is on the line. It's so they can save his shitty shooting numbers because that's all he can do. Kobe plays no d, grabs no bounds, only plays one position, hogs the ball. He's not an all around player at all.
Cooley96 3 weeks ago
@Cooley96 That's street ball..anyone can get fouled all day..I can punch anyone in the mouth and won't get a "tech"; there's no refs. But in a system of RULES like the NBA, Kobe doesn't get bailed out. In fact, LAKERS barely get calls. I've seen TOO MANY games like the entire 08-09 finals where the Celtics were KILLING Kobe and no fouls were called. He didn't go to the line the other night when he had only 10 points. And he passes ALL 1st quarter. Don't know what Kobe you're watching.
JackCephas 3 weeks ago
@JackCephas Yeah everybody ges fouled in streetball, we play through it, not stop and cry. I can tell you're sensitive to people barely touching kobe everytime he gets ripped or blocked you probably jump up and yell, SHOOTING FOUL, REACHING FOUL!! I like how you said he didn't go line and because of it he only got 10 points LMAO point proven.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 I'm not sensitive, but when he goes to the line 2 times PER GAME, there is a huge problem when Dirk, or Lebron go almost 10+ times a game. Let's be real. And the reason I said he didn't go to the line that much when he only had 10 points that night was because KOBE was shooting PISS-POOR and YOU said "They only bail him out when he's shooting poorly" which I just proved is a LIE..oh, and he's leading the NBA with almost 30 PPG, but I guess that's all because of the REFS. Lol
JackCephas 2 weeks ago
@JackCephas Mind giving me a box score of this game? Lebron is now shooting 10 ft's in his prime, kobe was doing the same in his prime. You act like he's not going to the line an average of 7.3 times this season anyway.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 Hawks vs. Lakers (78-86) Kobe only scored 10 points the entire game and didn't go to the line ONCE. The Lakers only had 9 FT attempts, while the Hawks had 14. As for Kobe, he avg 7.6 in the season, his best SINCE 07, but compared to the NBA's"beloved" Lebron, it's not much. Kobe's highest FT attempts came in 04, 05, and 06 when he wasn't winning Finals. Other than that..he averages 7.6 his career..LEBRON averages 8.9, with the lowest attempts being his first yr! Coincidence?
JackCephas 2 weeks ago
@JackCephas One game doesn't change the fact that kobe is top 5 for free throw attempts and shot 10 freethrows for 4 seasons straight. In his highest scorng games he's always shot more the 20 freethrows.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 Kobe only had 3 10 free throw seasons, which still averaged worse than Lebron's 3 10 free throw seasons. Although they weren't back to back..you might as well say he had 5, because in between those 3 seasons, Lebron had 2 9-shot seasons. Kobe also stays on the floor more than most of the NBA, and he's only a few secs behind Dwight, which avgs 11 FTA. Now come on. Lol. The most FTs Kobe shot in one game this season has been 14, and that's only ONCE in 4 of his 14 pt games.
JackCephas 2 weeks ago
@JackCephas It's safe to say kobe had 4 consistent 10 ft seasons he did have one that was 9 tha can still be rounded to 10. Lebron is just the same. Lebron & Howarddo benefit from those fluff calls but ask yourself who pioneered it?
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 Well if Kobe had 4, God help us with Lebron, because that is NOT the same. He NEVER had a season shooting UNDER 8 FT per game except in his first year..Even Dwight had ONE after his first year..just one..but Kobe..plenty of 7 seasons. It didn't start with Kobe, That started with the guy whom this video is about. Lol
JackCephas 1 week ago
@Cooley96 Hey jackass Check it out too and open your eyes
9612Max 2 weeks ago
@9612Max Bitch you don't even have any uploads on your channel so what the hell are you talking about, "check out my video and see the truth" your points about jordan might mean something if you weren't saying kobe is better. That's just flat out dumb.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 Man I don't have time to entertain this And last I checked I'm not a female dog that's your mother you simple minded jackass
9612Max 2 weeks ago
@9612Max If last you checked you weren't a female dog then you need to check again, because your brain functions like one. You don't even know my mother that's an adolescent irritant tactic anyway. A jackass is a 4 legged mix breed animal which Im not because you have no knowledge of my physical appearance.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 (SIGH :\ do you really wanna do this back and fourth you don't agree with my views i disagree with your's Okay dude if you wanna talk ball then lets do it otherwise Shut your mouth.
9612Max 2 weeks ago
@9612Max We can talk ball all day if you really want to. I got nothin' but time.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 I'm burnt out from debates trust me your not the only person who've had words with so hit me up later on my channel when ever you wanna debate just not for moment
9612Max 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 Now I'm a die-hard Laker fan, but I'm not blind to issues..and lately Kobe has been inconsistent in his shooting and has been turning the ball over lately, BUT he does play good defense, and makes it hard for shooters to shot if he is guarding them, regardless of where they are on the floor. I see that also. Pau Gasol has been getting more points than Kobe lately, if not being up there with him..so how does Kobe hog the ball?
JackCephas 3 weeks ago
@JackCephas Secondly of course kobe can lock someone down on d he's the only decent shooting guard in the league. No competition for him at that spot. You talk like kobe should get a cookie or some brownie points every time he passes the ball. He's a guard, he's supposed to bass the ball.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
@Cooley96 THEN, you say Kobe can't play D THEN turn around and say he can lock someone down because he's the only shooting guard in the league..since WHEN did ANYBODY in Basketball become OBLIGATED to guard only their same position? Lol..then I made the point about him passing the ball because YOU said he hogs the ball. How in hell can he hog the ball when he leads the team in APG, and barely scores in the first HALF? I never said he deserved anything, YOU just said he did nothing.
JackCephas 2 weeks ago
@JackCephas Check out my channel and See the truth
9612Max 2 weeks ago
@JackCephas People are obligate to defend their same position in some of the most basic defensive plays. Two three zone & man to man? It'd be idiotic to have some one whos a shooting guard at 6'3 try to defend a 6'9 forward like Durant but I guess? He leads his team with 5 apg not wowing numbers, 5 successful passes out of 2 hours of playing? Sounds like a ball hog to me. It's a shame that no other lakers have more than 5 assist, they're all ballhogs.
Cooley96 2 weeks ago
So if Jordan is number two all time in field goal attempts per game who is number one? Do you have a chart that shows the all time field goal attempts per game?
RubbinNips 1 month ago
FUCK YOU GUYS
uneekre 1 month ago
Wow....the Lakers would've beat MJ in the finals had Worthy not sprained his ankle...had Vlade Divac not been a flopper, etc etc. Yeah...and if Kobe and Shaq hadn't been fighting in '03/'04 they would've beat the Pistons (maybe true), etc etc. The point is, sports are filled with what if's and injuries. Ever heard the expression "it's a part of the game?" Well...it is!!! Here's an argument like that FOR MJ...had he not retired, the Bulls would have won 8 straight! That's the logic you're using!
oceantides23 1 month ago
@oceantides23 Well not true since he lost against the Magic in 95... so who would use that logic?
straty899 1 month ago
Notice the clever editing on the Dr. J and Bird quotes when they were just about to get to, "BUT.." :Plus...no one was calling Jordan the greatest anything when he was at UNC. If someone says he's the greatest college player ever, then yes...they're full of shit...but that's not the argument for the "Greatest ever" that you hear.
oceantides23 1 month ago
I made a spreadhseet that analyzes players across all stat categories by figuring out how many points stuff like rebounds are worth (based on a mathematical model using NBA average figures). I then tally up how many ppg a guy impacts if all other players were avg. Jordan is tremendously overrated.
I've got:
1. Chamberlain
2. Magic
3. Lebron
4. Oscar Robertson
5. MJ
The best part is I can factor for differences in years played by comparing to the overall NBA average. Chamberlain is by far #1.
Biswalt 2 months ago
@Biswalt: Reason he scored a lot is he shot a lot. Jordan hit 48.5% of all his shots... so he missed 51.5% of the time. So you need a boards guy so Jordan can shoot more.
In 92-93 Ho Grant retained about 3.7 possessions/game above average. So by having Ho Grant it made about a 3 point difference per game (rebs = 0.78 pts in my system b/c of math) to the bulls, and esp. Jordan. Cause Jordan that year took 28% of all bulls shots. So Jordan made about 2.2 pts per game more b/c Grants rebs
Biswalt 2 months ago
@Biswalt hmm thats some interesting math. Im surprised Lebron is that high, could you show me a link as to how you did this spreadsheet? Or could you upload it? Im kinda curious about this.
straty899 2 months ago
You probably never watched basketball in the 90s. Maybe the guards have gotten better in this past decade, but to say Jordan had no competition is ridiculous. Just like this generation forgot about Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, and Reggie Miller, the next generation will forget about greats shooting guards like Dwyane Wade, Manu Ginnobli, and Ray Allen.
sgv1414 2 months ago
@sgv1414 I think the video maker (that is who you are talking to, right?) is trying to explain that maybe before there was more competition from a condensed league. Jordan did have competition (and some very good) but he might have faced them on less of a basis than teams before. But I am not the maker of this video so I am not sure.
straty899 2 months ago
the 90s all the up to now and you tell me MJ didn't have the less talented team.
shawngad83 2 months ago
Who cares what Jordan did or didnt do in College, you shitted on every team that the bulls faced in the finals. If these teams were so bad how they even get to the finals? and the 90s was the weakest era? you buggin. we dont see Centers anymore, outside shooters like in the 90s, defense was tougher because of hand checking, and what does expansion teams have to do with anything with the bulls winning championships? if u compare the bulls roster to any championship team from con't
shawngad83 2 months ago
Like I said you giving Grant way too much credit. Grant was not a great defender he was an average shot blocker that got about 8 or 9 rebounds a game. He got his 6 rings as the leader of the team, 6-0 in the finals with 6 finals MVP. When Jordan mastered the game he started to win, how do you expect to win a chip with a old Gervin and role player like Charles Oakley which you did mention in the video at his young age?when he joined the team they went to the playoffs every year thats valuable
shawngad83 2 months ago
@shawngad83 Hey first off could you do me a favor and put a "@" sign followed by name or just reply to me because that way I get an email that someone replied. Thanks. And second off, I didn't make this video.
straty899 2 months ago
@shawngad83 Ok to start off, no one is giving Grant too much credit. Grant was the anchor of the Doberman Defense. He was the reason the Bulls defense could press and trap because he was still quick enough to run back in time to grab the rebounds. He also had a good mid range shot, and had a much better free throw than Rodman. In fact when the Bulls lost him in 94-95 their wins went down and ironically lost to his team in the playoffs (with Jordan.)
straty899 2 months ago
@shawngad83 Going to the playoffs isn't exactly winning at will. And we all know Jordan is only worth 2 wins so as you say I couldn't expect Jordan to win with players such as Oakley and Gervin because he doesn't make them better. Jordan never won because he "mastered the game" he won because he was surrounded by talent. I think the maker of the video is saying the 90s are a weaker era than the 60s, 70s, 80s, but probably not the era of today.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 Jordan made Grant, Jordan demanded excellent that's what a true leader is. He was a leader on & off the court and he learned to play with the guys he had. when he first came into the league he was young and immature but still won.Having a record good enough for the playoffs is winning,especially when the team missed the playoffs like 4 years in a row before he got there. you put any other star in MJ place and you see how chips they win. Not Magic, not Bird, Not Kobe.
shawngad83 2 months ago
@shawngad83 All of those stars you mentioned are leaders. What about Russell though? He was a true winner (11 ships, took a terrible college team to win with a record-breaking W-L record), and when he is taken out of the equation his team doesnt make the playoffs and drops over 15 games. If I put any of those stars (besides maybe Kobe, since he is an MJ rip-off for the most part lol) the teams would breeze through multiple championships. Grant made Grant not Jordan silly boy.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 And besides what player won a championship without talent? you still havent pointed out a championship team that was less talented than jordan team. This video is bullsh*t when Jordan joined the wizards they was 5th in the east untill he went out with knee injuries. Jordan was way past his prime. He took a poor wizards team and got them 5th in the east.
shawngad83 2 months ago
@shawngad83 A championship team with less talent: Utah Jazz (2 HOF) Supersonics: (0 HOF) as compared to the Bulls: (3-4 HOF - Parish was in the 96 season lol.) No one wins without talent because winning is a team effort (just ask Wilt Chamberlain, the most dominating player of all time.) However that said, a player can make an effort to keep his team winning. Jordan is worth 2 wins, Johnson 15. Bird 15, Oscar Robertson 21, Chamberlain 13, Russell 14. Not even a contest.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 you just as silly as this video man. The fact that you added Parish to the roster which had bum knees and couldn't produce shows ur lack of knowledge for the game. When I said name a championship team that had less talent you name Supersonics and Utah, They not championship teams because they didn't win a ring. So you still didn't answer my question. Jordan took less talent and won rings.
shawngad83 2 months ago
@shawngad83 Calm down boy. I added Parish as a joke (do you understand what "lol" means?) Supersonics and Jazz are both championship teams (although not winners.) But what about say the 2006 Miami Heat or the 2004 Pistons? Just like the Bulls they were in a watered down expansion league (which is why 3 HOF is alot) as compared to earlier times when 4-5 HOF were needed JUST to win. Also anyone who uses "ur" shouldn't be insulting anyone's knowledge. Good day.
straty899 2 months ago
this nigga just a fucking hater... smells like a Knicks fan to me MJ is God your videos are weak. i watched the man play from day 1 and none of these guys in the L today are worthy enough to be mentioned in the same breath. hate all u want its still only a matter of opinion but dont forget. scoring championships, MVP, titles are real. not just speculative opinion.. eat my nutt homothug
jaymtl79 2 months ago
A recurring theme also for MJ is that he was never really guarded by guys who could keep up with him. Guys such as John Starks, Joe Dumars, Hersey Hawkins, Dan Majerle, Kevin Johnson, Jeff Hornacek. Those guys were either slow on their feet, short or unathletic and couldnt keep up with him
Projectpat12 2 months ago
@Projectpat12 Well he came back at age 40 and played against the more "athletic" players who could keep up......and how'd that work out? He still scored on them whenever he wanted.
LifeFirst 2 months ago
all those guys* which I love*
shawngad83 2 months ago
MJ is not overrated, his career awards & Accomplishments prove that. You giving horace grant too much credit hes not a HOF,wasnt a blocker niether. All you guys mention like Bird,Magic,Isiah had good big men. Magic had Kareem, Bird had Parish & Mchale, Isiah had Bill Laimbeer and Rodman. Jordan had luc longley and will perdue as his centers.All his dudes had atleast 3 HOF guys on his team. Not taking anything away from those guys which I but Jordan got the job done no matter who he had.
shawngad83 2 months ago
@shawngad83 Jordan didn't always get the job done no matter who he had... Jordan didn't get a single championship his first 6 years with players such as Gervin, Woolridge, Oakley, Cartwright, etc. Jordan couldn't win without A. Pippen controlling the offense and B. A strong interior defender and rebounder (Grant and Rodman.) All championship teams have a good offensive leader and a good rebounder, and a good team defense... Jordan's teams were no different.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 Who made Pippen into who he is? It was MJ who tortured Pippen in practice everyday, that's how Pippen became the Pippen we know. Hell, if Pippen went to another team the guy would be an average player at best. MJ pushed all his players, all the scrubs on his team like Longley, Buechler, Kerr, Wennington, Purdue, Simpkins, Randy Brown, Ron Harper to be at least passable players so that they can contribute.
LifeFirst 2 months ago
@LifeFirst Pippen made Pippen. Pippen was a great defender who had his best season without Jordan. Pippen lead the offense and even without Jordan would be an allstar, 1st team defensive player, and would probably still win a 'ship or few. Ron Harper was a better player before he was with Jordan and when he came to the Bulls he knew his role. In fact Harper made Jordan a better player because he guarded the quicker guards that Jordan couldn't.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 Wrong. Pippen didn't make Pippen. Check out his first couple of years with the Bulls, the guy was mentally soft as hell, no offensive game whatsoever. Yeah by the Jordan left he was a Superstar but when he first came into the league he was nothing. And Ron Harper? This guy was one of the worst signings the Bulls ever did, MJ was still retired at the time. He was supposed to be a 20 point scorer to "replace" MJ, he averaged 6 points a game with bummed knees. He was done.
LifeFirst 2 months ago
@LifeFirst Pippen made Pippen lol. Yes he had a few rough beginning years (with jordan mind you) but his work ethic eventually came about and he started making players. No offensive game? He ran the offense lol and still came out with 18+ points per game (the best you can do with the Queen Ballhog on the team.) Ron Harper was signed for his defense, not his offense. In fact he replaced Jordan on defense in essence since he usually took the harder man to guard.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 Yes, Ron Harper was definitely at the end of close games bailing out MJ with his super defense.......
LifeFirst 2 months ago
@LifeFirst Yes you admit it! Thank you!
straty899 2 months ago
@shawngad83 I find it funny that you put that Isiah had Rodman and Jordan had him too in his last 3peat. Yeah Jordan never had an all-star center, but he had good "big men" in the forms of Grant and Rodman. Both were great defenders (Rodman 2 time DPOY, 7 time rebounding champion)(Grant the key to the Doberman defense, solid rebounder, and could score.) Lets not forget Tony Kukoc who provided great offensive spurts coming off the bench, who won 6th man of the year in 96.
straty899 2 months ago
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Stupid argument. Here's some about Wilt:
"He can score anything he wants. There is no way to stop him. How can you defense him? The only way I know is to lock the door to the dressing room before he comes out."
- Ed MacAuley
"I don't think it's fair to compare players in different eras, but he was about as dominant as any one player could be in any sport. I looked at him like he was invincible." - Larry Brown
That's an opposing player saying that. The defense rests
straty899 2 months ago
Of all the stupid things I've heard in my life, someone trying to tell me MJ is overrated is by far the dumbest. Throw all the stats away, the one and only thing anyone needs to know about Michael Jordan is what coach George Karl said about him, he said;
"People don't understand its not his jumping or his jump shot or his defense, it's his inner guts and his inner heart. You're going to have to cut Michael Jordan's heart out to beat him."
That's an opposing coach saying that. The defense rests
ak231510 2 months ago
@ak231510 Stupid argument. Here's some about Wilt:
"He can score anything he wants. There is no way to stop him. How can you defense him? The only way I know is to lock the door to the dressing room before he comes out."
- Ed MacAuley
"I don't think it's fair to compare players in different eras, but he was about as dominant as any one player could be in any sport. I looked at him like he was invincible." - Larry Brown
That's an opposing coach saying that. The defense rests
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 except those are just general he's good statements, The whole jordan's will to win thing is one of those paramount points that he legacy is built on and the thing that separates him from everyone else. And you have an opposing coach confirming that view of him. No other player in the history of the game has ever been as big when it counted as jordan.
ak231510 2 months ago
@ak231510 How bout Bill Russell? 11 rings? Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, Pippen. You sing about a few plays but I'm talking about the guys who actually had a profound impact if their team lost them. Jordan is worth 2 wins to the Bulls, could do nothing until he had Pippen and a dominant inside man while everyone simply brushes by the fact that he had good teammates. His teammates do better without his selfish ballhogging. Russell or Chamberlain GOAT.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 A profound impact? Where is the ring from 94 for the Bulls? I don't give a shit about regular season records because the only thing that matters is the playoffs. If the Bulls had won without Jordan than you would have an argument, but the team that they always beat with MJ (The Knicks) they couldn't, and they won three championships the previous three seasons, but were unable to even get to the Eastern Conference Championship without him. That is the impact right there
ak231510 2 months ago
@ak231510 Thats no impact. They lost on a controversial call (Im a Knicks fan and I think it was a blown call.) The fact is the Bulls still did good without the "GOAT." You remove Russell from the equation in a harder league and the team doesn't go in the playoffs. Which is better? Who had more of an impact? Same with Robertson. You are a blind fan who is influenced by media hype. I bet you havent researched anything I told you that you should. Remove the veil!
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 thats no impact? going from a three time champion to a semifinals exit the next season is no impact?
ak231510 2 months ago
@ak231510 No impact when they replaced him with a ABA player who scored 7 ppg. Tell me another team who can replace a "psuedo-GOAT" like that and still go towards winning a conference title. Again did you look up the game 7 controversial call? No.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 You must also be aware that in the 94-95 season they had a 34-35 record until MJ came back for the final 17 games where they then went 13-4. And you'll say why didnt he win when he came back, to which I relpy, because he hadn't played in two years and the fact that he could comeback and still average 24.6 points per game is amazing, then he backed it up the following season by then going 72-10. From 34-35 without him to 72-10 the next season. Impact !
ak231510 2 months ago
@ak231510 Again who came to the team? Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, and oh I dont know 2 expansion teams! He had no court rust thats bullcrap! He had on of the greatest games of career, a game for the decade, when he was... Rusty? No. The team lacked an inside power player and rebounder and ironically lost to Horace Grant's team. When they got Rodman (the league's best post defender and rebounder) then they could win again. Answer my questions about research please.
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 They got ron harper and dennis rodman is your argument? Both players who were well passed their primes. Both good, but rodman was no longer the DPOY, still a good rebounder, but adding him did not give the bulls an inside game. They had largely the same team in 94-95 they had in 95-96. The fact that you ignored the bulls were 34-35 without MJ in 94 only proves my point further
ak231510 2 months ago
@ak231510 I am sorry young boy, but you are an idiot. Once again Rodman was NOT passed his prime. The bulls were 34-35 because they didn't have Grant (a key to their success as pointed out earlier.) Rodman was NOT passed his prime, he still led the league in rebounds 3 times, and many think he was the MVP of the 96 finals. Rodman was the best interior defender, but not DPOY anymore, i agree. Harper was a bit gone, but he still guarded the better guards than Jordan (in later years.)
straty899 2 months ago
@ak231510 Again 94-95 had NO HORACE GRANT, a key player unlike Jordan. And you still dont answer my questionings of your research and knowledge.
straty899 2 months ago
@ak231510 HAHAHA oh my god you just helped me realize that Grant is worth more wins than Jordan, thank you :)
straty899 2 months ago
@ak231510 Hahaha I have deconstructed your arguments for the crap they are you still are going! This is a finger workout lol but its fun. The Bulls players had better years than ever without ballhog Jordan and let me guess, theres some weak excuse for that. Have you actually watched the Bulls games? Have you even researched some of the 60s games/players? Honest question, and you have eluded me many times on it. I want to know what kind of Jordan sycophant im debating with. Haha
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 Deconstructed my argument? How, because you said the players averaged more without Jordan? Of course they did, they had to. They didn't win shit without him is the point. And I watched every single bulls game in the 90s, including that "blown call," the Bulls were lucky to be in that situation, they were not a great team and if kukoc didnt hit an amazing buzz beater in game 3, there would have been no game 7. That bulls team was lucky to be there.
ak231510 2 months ago
@ak231510 Ok where was Jordan without Pippen Grant and Rodman? Why couldnt he win before these players? Also why do you think he is the greatest, what is the criteria?
straty899 2 months ago
@straty899 Not to mention that you are basing those two more wins on only the previous season. In 92, they won 67 games (12 more). One of the points of MJ wanting to retire is because he said he was burnt out in 93. He just won the title in 92 then did the olympics and that to come back and win another title in 93, so they weren't exactly dominant in the reg season that yr, but when finals came, all MJ did was set the mark for ppg in the finals with 43.
ak231510 2 months ago
@straty899 1998, pippen was hurt a lot that year, and in the finals against the jazz he was a non factor. Jordan scored 45 of the bulls 87 points, made the basket to pull within one, then the steal from Malone and the game winning jumper. No one does that. You can talk about any player you want, no one touches that kind of greatest or had that refuse to lose air about them and then continually backed it up. Game winners, taking IVs to be able to beat the jazz in 97, the list goes on. MJ GOAT
ak231510 2 months ago
1. The entire league was weaker in the 90's because 6 expansion teams diluted the talent. True, but this would mean Jordans team was diluted as well and they still managed a 72-10 season. If the NBA went to 100 teams today, and every team had one superstar it would actually showcase who was a better team player. Would you pick the team led by LeBron James or the team led by Blake Griffen?
2. Jordan does not make his team mates better because he never passes the ball, never plays defense, never
Machiminimo 3 months ago
However I have always maintained the 93 Suns were the best team the Bulls beat in the Finals, and that team actually had more talent top to bottom. The experience factor, given the fact that the Bulls went to the Finals the previous 2 years, was the biggest difference between those 2 teams. PHX was also w/o an injured Cedric Ceballos, who started 46 gms for them in that series. Not sayin they win if he's healthy, but it was another slight break for the Bulls.
Looking forward to watching pt 2
jbh2385 3 months ago
2) While I agree that the Bulls never really faced an intimating post defender in the finals (and it would've given them problems) they did, as you pointed out, beat NY year after year. They had Ewing, a great defender as you said, and a bunch of other rugged defenders (Oakley, Mason, Smith, X Man if you go back further). So you cant really have it both ways saying they couldnt have beat a team w/ good interior D. You gotta give the Bulls some credit somewhere along the line.
jbh2385 3 months ago
This was an interesting and entertaining video. I do have a few things to say that may have already been pointed out, but i didnt read all the other comments.
1) The biggest argument seems to be the watered-down competition & you point to the 80s Lakers/Cs as a benchmark for adequate comp. But 1 could say Magic & Bird benefited from the concentrated talent pool just as much as MJ benefited from a watered-down NBA. Kareem, Coop, McHale, Parish, Worthy, DJ & Maxwell are pretty damn good teammates
jbh2385 3 months ago
@TheRosque I banned you so there would be a 1:0 douchebag ratio posting on my videos, you being the 1 :)
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
alright, my last comment: put this in the youtube searchbar right when MerkinMuffy writes that the there would have been no "waltzing into the lane" if Mark Eaton and Thurl Bailey" had been playing: Michael Jordan Dunks on Thuryl Bailey and Mark Eaton vs.Jazz
marzilyas 3 months ago
@marzilyas Dunking and winning games are 2 different things, he dunked a lot against Bird's Celtics, yet was swept 2 years by Bird. MJ didn't have a winning record against the Eaton and Bailey, he did have a winning record against Ostertag & Russell. Are you saying Ostertag & Russell are better than Eaton and Bailey? That's why most of you Jockers are ignorant of the intricacies of the game, all you care about is points & dunks, if that was all there was to b-ball, I'd declare MJ the goat to.
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
If Sam Perkins was a soft defender, than Kareem was fucking gossamer. That dude would just straight up turn his back to the challenge.
marzilyas 3 months ago
@marzilyas You don't know shit about basketball if you think Kareem was "Gossamer" on defense, LMAO. Kareem was on the All-Defensive team 5 times and All-Defensive 2nd team 6 times. Kareem is 2nd ALL-TIME in defensive win shares in front of Wilt,Hakeem, Duncan, Ewing and Robinson. He's only behind Bill Russell. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Kareem, the 8th leading player All-Time in blocks per game is gossamer, LMAO, get the fuck out of here, you know nothing of basketball.
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
PS do you think it's any wonder that MerkinMuffy wants to see Chris Mullin in the Hall of Fame? Do you see a pattern here?
marzilyas 3 months ago
@marzilyas Why would I care if Mullin was in the Hall of Fame? Oh wait, I see, your going to play the Race Card, well I guess that's all you got, since I've blown your weak-ass arguments out of the water. Settle down Spike Lee, if anyone is a racist it's you for bringing up race. I base my arguments on stats and facts, race doesn't come into it unless you bring it. You obviously don't know much about basketball, next time, you should do The Right Thing and leave race out of this.
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
@MerkinMuffly this video has as much dislikes than likes. i rarely see that ratio on a video with so little views. just proves how much more fans jordan has.
cr7cp3 3 months ago
@cr7cp3 The fact that the like to dislike ratio is 1:1 shows that I know what I'm talking about. Look at all the other anti-MJ videos on youtube and the dislikes far outweigh the likes because of MJ sycophants like you that base their opinions off of media-hype and shoe sales instead of hard stats, MJ made no one around him better, Pippen was more responsible for the wins than MJ, now go vote up some videos showcasing MJ's ball-hogging skills like the other herds of Jockers out there, moooo.
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
This "diluted league" argument is bullshit. Wouldn't the other, already-good teams dominate, too? If MJ was as weak as MerkinMuffy says, why didn't the Jazz or the Sonics win any of those championship series? I'm sure there is some other excuse coming. MerkinMuffy already banned me once from commenting on his videos. He REALLY doesn't like arguing with people smarter than him.
marzilyas 3 months ago
@marzilyas Are you retarded, they didn't win the series because they were watered down, how do I spell it out for you that the Jazz with Ostertag and Bryon Russell were not that good and only won 60 games in the 90s because it sucked. The 90s Jazz and Supersonics would have struggled to get to .500 in 1987, simple as that.
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
@marzilyas Your funny, you think a league that adds 6 new teams isn't diluted. Guess you think adding water to whiskey doesn't effect the alcohol content, LMAO. I banned you because I get tired of arguing with idiots that can't back up their OPINIONS (not arguments) with facts. You get all your b-ball knowledge from shoe commercials & ESPN Highlights. Calling Kareem "Gossamer" on defense exposes your poor b-ball IQ, go somewhere else to declare your bromance with MJ, it's not happening here
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
Jordan doesn't make anyone better...that's why Horace Grant, Scottie Pippen, and Dennis Rodman all played better without MJ right? wrong.
marzilyas 3 months ago
@marzilyas Pippen had his best year without MJ, shot his best FG% ever without MJ in 94. Grant shot a better fg% without MJ in 94, your wrong, MJ did not make anyone around him better, see part 2 moron.
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
Jordan is overrated because...he gets more credit than Keith Smart and Scottie Thurman...throw it all against the wall, hope something sticks, I guess
marzilyas 3 months ago
I stopped watching when you said Ewing was a defensive Center. pfff
guidi2005 3 months ago
@guidi2005 Ewing is 8th all time in Defensive Win Shares and 28th all-time in Defensive rating, so yeah, I'd call him a defensive center. He's not even in the top 100 in Offensive win shares, only 153rd. He's not even in the top 250 in Offensive rating is, so there you go...
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
@MerkinMuffly Ewing is 16th all time leading scorer, 1st all time Knick scorer. 50% FG 74% FT. He is simply one of the best Offensive players that has ever lived. You must be young not to know how great he was and I don't hold that against you but just take a second and look at the numbers please. Now are you really going to call the 16th leading scorer in NBA history a defensive player? You are a total moron and should'nt talk about basketball at all, go away.
freedog2011 3 months ago
@freedog2011 dipshit, you don't go by career totals, you go by per game to find the best. Is Kareem the greatest scorer ever because he has more points than MJ? No, he played for 20 years. His 24 ppg isn't close to MJs 30 ppg . Ewing scored 21 ppg for a career, that's 37th. Parish is 19th all time in points scored, is he one of the greatest offensive centers ever? Ewing's efficiency rating is 43rd alltime behind Bosch, I guess Bosch is one of the greatest offensive players in history to, huh?
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
@MerkinMuffly We weren't talking about the best numb-nut, you claimed Ewing was a defensive center. I proved you wrong so now your turning this into if Ewing was Kareem like? You block people that prove you wrong which can only mean one of two things, you are either a child or a coward.
Truthlogicpeace 3 months ago
@freedog2011 Ewing had a decent ppg, but he was not efficient on offense, all of his contemporaries shot a better fg% than Ewing: Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt, Parish, McHale, Robinson, Mourning. Ewing missed a lot of shots for a center. Like I said in my video, when you think of the greatest offensive centers, Ewing is not in the conversation, that is a fact. If he was so damn great, why didn't he win the title when MJ left in 94 & 95, 99, etc. He maybe a top 10 center, but for D more than O
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
@MerkinMuffly I wont argue the points you made here, like I said you made the claim that Ewing was a defensive center and clearly you are backing away from that, so that's good to see. Yes he's a top ten center and no top ten center can be called a defensive center, that's for people like Bol, Eaton, Wallace and Mutombo.
Truthlogicpeace 3 months ago
@Truthlogicpeace He's easily better than any center playing today, Dwight Howard's offense looks like Manute Bol in comparison.
MerkinMuffly 3 months ago
in the interviews with Bird and Dr. J you cut them off before they start to defend the quality of the league.... its rare to find an MJ hater these days but you clearly have something against him. Were you a jazz/suns fan? hahaha
turtles79 4 months ago
@turtles79...HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT EVERY MJ FAN SAYS EXACTLY THE SAME THING WHEN DEFENDING JORDAN...JORDAN FANS ARE LIKE JIM JONES FOLLOWERS ON KOOL-AID....JORDAN FANS HAVE NO THOUGHTS OF THEIR OWN...YOU LOONS JUST PARROT THE MEDIA...EVERYONE WHO KNOWS BASKETBALL KNOWS THAT #1..JORDAN MATCHED UP WITH MORE CUPCAKES THAN A HOSTESS FACTORY...TO PROVE YOU DON'T HAVE A THOUGHT OF YOUR OWN....NAME ME 5 GREAT PLAYERS THAT MJ MATCHED UP WITH IN THEIR PRIME...A MATCHUP IS WHEN 2 PLAYERS D EACH OTHER UP
bumperboy2sports 3 months ago
@bumperboy2sports You said nothing to argue against what I said all you did was use caps locks. Can you name me 5 "great" players that anyone matched up against in their primes? MJ did match up against Rodman and he also consistently scored over players like Hakeem, David Robinson, Ewing, and others. And one last thing what did I say that every MJ fan says? That this guy didnt include the full interviews in his video?
turtles79 3 months ago
Impressive, Merk man!
schnooks17 4 months ago
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RohoicRamz94 4 months ago
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RohoicRamz94 4 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 PERKINS IS AT LEAST ONE OF THE TOP 10 PLAYERS EVER AT NORTH CAROLINA, AND MJ CAN'T EVEN GET HIM TO THE FINAL 4 ALONG WITH DAUGHERTY AND KENNY SMITH, SO IN CONCLUSION, MJ MAKES NO ONE AROUND HIM BETTER BUT MJ.
MerkinMuffly 4 months ago
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RohoicRamz94 4 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 DUMB JOCKER. YOU FAIL TO MENTION THAT BIRD HAD AN INJURED HAND AND DID NOT PLAY IN THE 2ND GAME OF THE 1983 SERIES BECAUSE OF A HIGH FEVER, SO BIRD HAS NEVER BEEN SWEPT, HE LOST 3 GAMES, TO BE SWEPT HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO LOSE 4 GAMES. YOU ALSO FAIL TO MENTION THAT MAXWELL, MCHALE AND CARR WERE DELIBERATELY SABOTAGING THE 83 SERIES WITH THE BUCKS BECAUSE THEY WANTED COACH FITCH FIRED. FYI THE 83 BUCKS HAD 2 HALL OF FAMERS: BOB LANIER & DAVE COWENS, THE 85 BUCKS HAD 0 HALL OF FAMERS
MerkinMuffly 4 months ago
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RohoicRamz94 4 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 LMAO, YOUR AN IDIOT, THE 83 BUCKS HAD BOB LANIER AND DAVE COWENS, BOTH HALL OF FAMERS, SO THE 83 BUCKS WERE UNDERRATED, THE ONLY THING YOU GOT RIGHT WAS THE 0 HALL OF FAMERS ON THE 85 BUCKS, MJ=OVERRATED YET AGAIN.
MerkinMuffly 4 months ago