HaHAHA! He is undoing the public school's/unions lie's. "If you smoke pot then you will go on a killing spree" or "Once you learn how to fill out a check book,then you understand U.S. economics" or "Your credit rating makes you a good citizen"
I love it when someone uses the term "spread freedom". I liken it to when a person takes a dump in their own hand and then spreads their "freedom" all over someone else's face.
sucks. If you want someone who intelligently believes in free markets rather than someone who believes it in blind faith like this guy, look up the mises institute.
the killing of Hypatia was historically insignificant to the causes of the Dark Ages. Far more significant would be the killing of Archaemedes by the Roman centurion.
The point of my debate with him was that Christianity isn't responsible for the Dark Ages. It certainly did things to prolong them but it didn't cause them.
Republicans aren't going to be taken seriously until they distance themselves from Fox News BS like Hannity and the shoving of Christianity as a means to an end. Sorry guys, I'm not sold on left/right, and you may well be right. I think plenty of your hearts are in the right place, but you'll have to get past that before the left, which has advanced past that crap at least on a social level (not to say their economics are in order necessarily), meets you in any serious discussion.
Not to say on some level that isn't the left's fault either, but there is a larger part of me that says "there's no reason for the right to be doing this, this is what makes them seem archaic."
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If you truly believe in what is American, Democrats at least show empathy and compassion. With war, recession, healthcare and affordable housing; a strong majority still agrees that we need CHANGE. Let's help Obama to put his policies to work so we may see CHANGE take effect sooner.
HTWW, Stop being divisive. Haven't you had enough of 8 years of Bush and McSame's policies?
The current administration is not a terrorist group bent on destroying HOPE, Right wingers like you are! America has shown last year that it wanted CHANGE to bring about HOPE. Taking an opposition to Obama is taking an opposition to the HOPE of Americans. We need CHANGE to ensure America will emerge strong and united once again.
Yeah, Obama ran on a platform of change but where is the change? He is following the same fiscal policy and the same foreign policy only both are bigger. Obama is destroying the wealth of the nation. What is needed is for the gov to severely contract and lowering taxes. Lowering taxes while increasing spending will do nothing.
Never judge a faith by its abusers. For that matter, don't bother judging a faith by any of its practitioners. Instead, judge a faith by its written text. You'll learn lots.
LOL - go ahead and read the Bible and come back and say that. The Bible is one of the most ridiculously absurd and violently barbaric religious texts ever conceived.
Spalg what's obvious about your tirade is you're primarily arguing with your own strawmen. For example no one denied Islamic societies flourished during the Dark Ages. In fact that point was made by myself to counter the earlier alleged world wide Dark Age. As for your take on the outlandishness of the Greek inventions, what he was referring to was Heron's Steam Engine. What he was implying was Christianity ended this research and that is completely unfounded.
Why is it unfounded? Because Heron lived from 10-70 AD. The major sack of Alexandria that caused the most significant loss in information came as consequence of Aurelian's invasion 200 years after he died.
I am also some what perturbed by your "but Christians sacked the library too!" comment. Its clear you've not even bothered to read my earlier responses. If you had you'd have known I said this. Please take the time to read the debate for posting in the future. It will save time.
I read through it a while back ... as I recall, it recorded many historical occurrences that are barbaric (rape, incest, massacring, etc) but simply recording these events doesn't translate into an endorsement. It would be like saying, "I just heard about the Darfur situation from CNN, that network sure has a lot of nerve!!"
Murder, rape, genocide, infanticide, slavery, human sacrifice, etc, are not just recorded as occurring. They are recorded as being explicitly commanded by the Judeo-Christian deity. Read Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Job, Joshua, Numbers, and come back to give your comments. Because right now, you're merely taking out of your ass.
That all happened in the Old Testament... there is now a New Testament that supersedes the old one. The only reason the Old Testament is still a part of the Bible is the need to provide a historical backdrop for the New Testament.
Yes, I know Christians like to distance themselves from the unsavory parts of the Bible when it so suits them. If the OT is irrelevant why do you guys still use it? Besides, it's till the same god. And what about the whole brutal bloody human sacrifice nonsense that forms the whole basis of the New Testament? Your religion is batshit. And the only reason you don't realize it is because you're brainwashed.
Yes, the majority of people who claim to believe the Bible pick and choose what parts they want to believe. which according to the religion, is wrong, so they are not actually Christians at all.
And brutal bloody sacrifice do you speak of? Jesus? i suppose?
Well, as i have just finished the Bible, its to show God's wisdom and Kindness, and his promises. Plus showing his works and power through just regular people.
You are partially correct, however.
And before someone looks at this and decides to not take me seriously, i am not a christian.
No actually its a perfectly true statement in the context of the argument you clearly didn't bother reading. The double standard I mentioned referred his demanding separate criteria than that of which he judged either Chritistianity or Islam. That is a double standard. I'm not going to debate your "incentives to do wrong" point because its yet another shifting-the-goal-post style argument.
Christianity stifled the human endeavor for over 1000 years. Humans were on the brink of a breakthrough right at the point where Christianity came in a destroyed the science breakthroughs being discussed at the time.
I was thrilled to see Mr DeMint give the blame to the GOP for acting so irresponsibly since 2k. it is only through acknowledgment of the problem that a solution can be worked out. This is what the conservative community needs.
Considering Christianity never encompassed the whole world I find your first statement hideously myopic. Christianity, while at times a hindrance to science wasn't the cause of the Dark Ages. Abject Roman statist incompetence was. If you mean to blame Christians for the burning of Library you should realize the Mulism did far, far more damage.
1. You first show little understanding of the term "Dark Ages". You obviously don't know its time period was AFTER the Romans.
2. Christianity destroyed everything that wasn't in agreement with their "holy" book. Christianity justified the state of living during the Dark Ages. You can't deny that nor pass it off as a "hindrance".
Christianity, like Islam, was and is used by oppressive rulers to enslave their people and justify any decisions they make. It's just like how we now blame Islam for the terrorist attacks. Its the same thing as the crusades in the middle ages. It's oppressive regimes that are the problem. Not religion.
Your attempt at rebuttal in no way justifies your previous statement of "Christianity stifled the human endeavor for over 1000 years". The Dark Ages were already well in effect 1000 years ago. While the church didn't do its best to educate the populous it was their monks who took up the sole effort to recover and maintain antiquities. The issue isn't as black and white as you'd have us believed.
You could say the same thing about communism. I would love to live in a communist utopia if one existed. Unfortunately, it's an unworkable pipe dream. Men who would go after profits go after power instead and inevitably abuse it. Islam is a little different because it has no central authority, but people abuse it just the same.
America has the problem in that it has become the fattest, richest, laziest society the earth has ever known or ever will. Africans would kill for the stuff we throw away
Islam isn't any different, its has central authority figures. There's no sense in damage controlling for them.
As for your comment on America, please remand yourself to the discussion at hand. Your opinions of the US are irrelevant to question of Christianities' social effects.
"Islam isn't any different, its has central authority figures. There's no sense in damage controlling for them"
I'm not a Muslim, but as I understand it, there is no authority in Islam and all Muslims are equal. Now, there are Muslim political leaders and they are just as bad as the church, but they also can't issue new edicts
now you're just white washing. There are central authorities. At one point in history there too was just 1 sole authority who presided over the religion. As for all Muslims being equal, you are aware of sunni vs shi'ite violence, correct?
Yes, but I think that comes from a separate interpretation of the Qu'ron. Honestly, I don't know that much about Islam and I certainly wasn't defending Islam, I was just pointing out the lack of a pope like figure or even priests or preachers.
Look into the history of the Qu'ron. Most of it was just recorded jargon thrown together in the most comprehensible fashion a few men could muster. It was more incoherent than the new testament prior to the Nicaean Council
I was responding to someone blaming humans for messing up Christianity. I pointed out that communism is also great in theory, but it doesn't work in practice.
I highly doubt that given their destruction of what remained of the library of Alexandria. Aside from that point my response was made in reply to his request.
Christians sacked that library too, and highly doubt shit, without the Muslims you don't have the Renaissance. Their knowledge of Greek thought bleeding into Spain was what helped. The Dark Ages of Christendom was fine for Islam, and the Muslim world produced the only Western philosophy of the time outside of maybe John the Scot. When a whole area follows a religion, one man's intelligence who happens to follow the religion means nothing for said religion
Also, the stupid point about the Library Of Alexandria, if you wish to play the "who was the great burden to philosophy" It was the Saint Cyril who ordered the brutal killing of Hypatia in a way to send the message that we don't wish for any philosophy outside of our own
1. Congratulation you finaly know _when_ the Dark Ages took place! You still fail to understand the mechanism that kept the Dark Ages going... *cough* Christianity *cough*. By your logic and in the context of your posts, the singular impact of the fall of one empire lasted ~1000 year [.....]
2. Failed comparision is fail
3. Once again failed comparision is fail, the subject at hand IS Christianity.
1. There were numerous mechanism that kept the Dark Ages going. Including abject poverty, feudal interference, disease, wars etc. Please cite for me the body of historians who lay this tragedy in the lap of Christianity.
2/3 You're not saving face by stating "fail". Also comparisons can be made while maintaining the subject. Take a college level course on logic.
Am I 14? You're using "fail" comments and you ask me this?
While you attempt to desperately ignore the facts, monasteries were just as much centers of learning as they were religious. The maintenance of the Greek and Roman antiquities recovered by the monks were held in their personal libraries. Most of the well educated, even Charlemagne, the Christian king responsible for reigniting learning, was educated by members of the religious order.
Look in a history book and you'll find that the Vikings operated in several hundred small tribes and only a few large ones.These were most likely random raids on any town village city they could get their hands on.
Now the reason they would burn down the library,is because they always speculated of a new age,ruled by them and them alone and all other things created by a race other than theirs was meaningless.
My knowledge of the Dark Ages is fine. So far it's you who've yet to profess any knowledge on the subject.
Some examples? Because just saving information, such as have been called "the classics" isn't enough? Socrates' (among others) works were maintained by the catholic. The Socratic method is the very basis of what we view today as the scientific method.
"The Socratic method is the very basis of what we view today as the scientific method"
FAIL. Lrn2Science
"Because just saving information, such as have been called "the classics" isn't enough? Socrates' ... works were maintained by the catholic."
FAIL
Not only is that your opinion, it's still not enough. It doesn't measure up to the church impeding scientific progress. The works were also kept in Greece...
Socratic method isn't Scientific? News to me. Your request for scientific research was never anything more than an attempt to move the goal posts. Knowledge isn't limited science. Nor are the foundations of science limited to what we understand of modern mathematics.
Doesn't measure up? By ignoring what they did to promote learning I suppose you could see it that way. Your rational doesn't justify you blaming them for the Dark Ages though.
Have I ever heard of Copernicus and Gallileo? Yes. Are you aware that you're arguing a strawman?
You loled at the Charlemagne reference? Then you're ignorant of the Carolingian Renaissance made possible through his provisions to church based educational centers.
A straw man: misrepresentation of an opponent's position.
Let's see...
Cop. and Gall. Heliocentric theory.
Christianity. Earth is center of universe.
The rest is history... I see no strawman, just one more example of Christianity impeding progress in the Dark Ages.
Seeing as I have French descent, the last part of your comment is pretty stupid. You obviously don't know that those center were made to create statemens not scientists.
Double fail? Double tripple dog dare fail? K, I will explain this for you. You misrepresented my argument by suggesting I've stated the Church didn't do anything to prolong the Dark Ages. I never said that. Ever. You're free to look through EVERY post.
Wow French descent? Definately stupid. Scientists are the only learned that matter. Gotcha.
Lol. I'm sorry but this is just comedy gold. Please show me where I placed science at the bottom of the list of importance. Why are you even bothering to erect this strawman?
Greek thinkers were on the brink of the steam engine and it had been written about allong with the true nature of the earth sun relationship, the true size and shape of the earth and other break throughs. The Christians destroyed all of that work and the church imprisoned people who thought differently. Remember, the church has become as soft as it is because they lost power not because they became enlightened. Put the church in power again and watch the Judas chair return.
Your claims are incredibly outlandish. It is also absolutely irresponsible of you to blame the whole of Christianity for the fire started in Alexandria. If that is the case then the very Greeks you commend are also responsible for destroying the remnants of the worlds first technological marvel cities that remained after the explosion of Santorini.
Well, let me ask you this. What has Christianity done for the world? The way I see it, all of the scientific advances we made in the past few hundred years and especially the 20th century could have been accomplished without Christianity and was NOT accomplished until the church lost power. Just look at the innovation in the US without being ruled by the church. For all of it's faults, modern life has created a great deal of human happiness and relieved human suffering.
First your argument is just obfuscation. I don't have to prove to you that Christianity is "good" for your previous statement regarding the past 1000 years to be wrong. However, just to humor you, I mentioned that the monks were directly responsible for acquiring and protecting Greek and roman Antiquities that would have otherwise been lossed. You can also thank them for scientific discoveries such as heritability tables.
No, no, no! I am not talking about the accomplishments of anyone who is a Christian, I am talking about what Christianity itself can do for man. The Christian holy book is filled with nonsense and very poor morality so you can't even get that.
Religion is based on ignorance and misunderstanding of the world around us. Humans motivated by
Then your phrasing your question in such a way that Christianity can never be perceived as positive based entirely on ideology. All-the-while condemning all of Christianity for the actions of some of its followers. A rather clear double-standard given your rephrased request.
But Christianity teaches those things. Obviously not all of them, but a great deal. Look at the modern Christian Zionists who are deliberately fanning the flames in the middle east hoping to bring about Armageddon so Jesus can return and bring peace on earth! How about the Christian reconstructionist movement that wants to bring back biblical law. Christianity IS to blame for this stuff. The whole attitude that god will save us from our actions like AGW and "be fruitful and multiply"!
What exactly are you wanting me to address that countless other ideology don't also express in some form or fashion? Again you want to condemn Christianity because, in your mind, some Christians stoke the flames. You're not abiding by your own standards.
No, within Christianity is the obvious incentive to do horrid things. Straight from the Bible, and it's been quite a burden from what was done directly in its name. You wish to say "Oh well some Christians did good too." Sure they did, but everybody was a Christian. I say Tv is pretty shitty, but hey Bill Gates owned a tv and he did good. Fine, but that doesn't matter, but the telescreen in 1984 would be directly related to tv's negatives, and that's just fiction.
Christianity isn't responsible for the actions of it's followers, but it is responsible for the actions and ideas taught in it's dogma and holy books. Christians believe (because of Christianity) that humans should keep multiplying endlessly because god will always provide for us. Granted other societies have population problems, but it's not taught as a dogma at least.
That's a shit statement. No, immoral action x is justified by this holy book. A Christian by definition follows this holy book, or it wouldn't be holy. Thus, the very ideology has problems. That isn't a double standard. You seem to think this rather lame "but I'm a Christian and I don't kill people" is a good argument, but it is irrelevant. I don't agree with plenty of christo (he's probably a secular humanist, and that would annoy me), but you paint yourself into a corner.
None of that was outlandish, except maybe the steam engine and that's only because I don't know anything about that. Eratosthenes and Aristarchus back up the other statements.
I would've, to the largest degree possible, rather been a Muslim in the Dark Ages than a Christian. If you go "hey, immigration rates tell me people still like America" then don't turn around and say "The Dark Ages sucked, but at least it wasn't Islam." LOLWUT. Islam has fallen to a ghastly state, but it's become a bit more true to its roots and Christianity less so. The Qur'an is based on the Bible, it's the same philosophy
I'm not certain who this argument is directed at but it fails to establish your point. During the Dark Age Islamic countries were rising into an intellectual golden age, really there highest point. This isn't refuted by stating since that point they've fallen.
Yes I realize that Christianity wasn't a world wide thing, but it only has to push down the right society to bring down the whole world. Imagine where we would be right now if not for the societies we call "the west". Imagine if the library had not been allowed to deteriorate and then burned down along with a Christian mob tearing a human being alive (great Christian values). Imagine if the church had encouraged science instead of stifling it. But men who study the bible learn nothing.
Your first statement is absolutely incorrect. While Christian Europe wallowed in illiteracy and social decay the East was thriving (particularly China). There never was a global Dark Age.
Imagine what could have been acomplished without the church pushing their dogma. We might be living for 150 years if the church hadn't insisted that disease was caused by demons and sin. These men studied the bible instead of science and you don't learn ANYTHING useful reading a bible. Imagine if you weren't told from the time you are a child that the bible was the written word of a magical deity, would you believe anything in it? Talking snakes, people living in fish, the dead rising...nonsense
Well if we really wanted to make society better we would be implementing eugenics. In no time at all we would erase from the pages of history all of the miscreants
Why not you are opposed to Christianity because there morality seemd to get in the way. Why you than be opposed to making society better be phasing out the dumbest, weakest.
I oppose Christianity because it isn't true. It isn't healthy to believe things because you want to, you need to believe things because they are shown as true. The bible isn't even good for morality because it teaches such immoral things like slavery, murdering gays, murdering adulterers, killing animals because god likes the smell of them burning... Where would our healthcare be if we followed the bible? The bible says that disease is caused by sin, not by germs. It goes on and on.
Easy for you to say, dork. You've had everything handed to you. When will you grow up and start being responsible for yourself? You/re a spoiled brat of a spoiled baby boomer, I'd guess. Go back in the closet and read a book.
If you had a brain you'd be dangerous. You do know that you can click on someone's name and get their age, right? My parents were born in the 30's and I am 39. I had NOTHING handed to me. Since you lied about your birthdate, I don't know how old you are, but I'd guess you are a teenager.
Take you Christianity and shove it up your ass. I guarantee you that if you read the bible, you will be an atheist. The bible is what converted me to atheism.
Well, better an ethical atheist than a Christian drop-out who couldn't find the wisdom in the Bible. And congratulations to your parentrs who lived in times that Obooboo wants to bring back for everybody to enjoy all over again. But anyway . . . you do seem smart enuf to realize that at some point, faith has to play a part in religion. Now, we do still have to determine if you are ethical . . . where's the proof? Show me that and you can go out and play.
China was going through brilliant times of literature, and the places in the west with philosophy, were those where the Christianity was gone, like the Muslim world, or where barbaric invasions as well as the major Christian "Fuck reading!" attitude was gone, such as Ireland. Ireland though had just NeoPlatonism and John the Scot as the only known philosophy. The Muslim world was criticizing Aristotle and bringing the foundation for the Renaissance.
So he's promoting individualism, saying it's what made our country what it is. Religious freedom is just one effect of that, and is not needed for the country to be great. Just individualism is needed.
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But even then he is wrong, individualism may be cherished by many in this country, but it is absolutely not 100% necessary to make this country prosperous. In many other prosperous nations a collective idealism thrives. A good example is Japan.
Japan has a mixed economy, just as we do. Their prosperity is in spite of the collectivist side of its economy. That being said, they still fell victim to the Asian Contagion of the 90's, and have never completely recovered. Note that we have not been losing jobs to Japan for awhile now. On the other hand, India and China which liberalized their collectivist economies have boomed and have been our greatest source of competition these last 10 years or so.
He was doing great until 11:00 minutes into the video when he brings up Christianity.
He talks about freedom and following the constitution then he goes on to christianity and democracies. We don't have a democracy and this moron should know that. We have democratic elections to hold up our constitutional republic.
what he says is right, but his understanding is crap.
the REASON ppl are trying to turn this country into a socialist state is because the POOR have no american dream... no opportunity for progress... so they/we say, "if we can't have it SCREW YOU TOO!"
this guy doesn't get it.
worse still, he has NO PLAN OF ACTION. worst yet, HE HAS NO POWER, he just talks a lot... bla bla bla... action, not words, profeteering republican idiot.
Recently I have experienced a shift towards the values and ideas of libertarianism but due to the underlying Marxist values at my university we never really learned anything about this particular paradigm, so I feel kinda illiterate on the subject.
Can someone mention the true classics of libertarianism? I have read Atlas Shrugged but would like something more scientific, probably something regarding the Austrian Shcool. Maybe the best of Rothbard or Hayek?
The term you are looking for is honest politician, and those don't exist. Everyone who enters into politics has an ulterior motive, and being a good politician means playing the political game: telling the people what they want to hear, not what they should hear. (Lying to serve and protect their own interests).
Let me explain something. I am a conservative. Obama/Pelosi/Franks/ Biden/Dodds/Kennedey.......etc, are ruining America. No question. However, if you think Bush/Chenney....and the rest or most of the yahoos claiming to be conservative will save you, forget it. They will bleed you financially, slowly, not as fast as Obama, but bleed you with no-bid contracts, kick backs, back room deals.....in my opinion. There are no, not many, conservatives left. Watch and see. :(
Sorry dude, I like Senator DeMint as much as the next guy, probably even more since I'm from South Carolina, but I can't sit and listen to him talk for 46 minutes at a time.
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this guy is talking shit, and only interested in cashing in on his book, its a book tour, not a political speech, the senate would be the place for that, there are more people educated today than ever with none government education policy's of the past, if only people like him came at these problems with open minds, and not idealogical shit for brains.
The bigger question is: why must we spread our freedom? Let other countries be responsible for their own liberations. If we do it for them we are only taking away their dignity, plus liberating countries is a costly business. We can't extend our influence too far or we will strain our resources (both manpower and funding).
There was a much smaller middle class 120 years ago, than we have at the moment.. actually there wasn't one really, so you could say that less people are literally, in debt.. or living as debters, slaves.. more or less.
well, that would be impossible, for i am from Holland. That small country from Europa.
but if you want something specific; he talks like America was founded on Judeo-christian morals, but it has been on secular morals. not only that, he claims that secular gov. will lead to disaster..
in short, a Bush follower... and you know how people all over the world have looked back at those 8 years. not in a very pleasant way.
Assuming you meant morals, you are wrong, because we were founded on the ideas of Adams as much as Paine. One of those was certainly a Christian and the other would spit in its face, respectively. If you mean a sort of Christian philosophy, no. The country was founded by men of the Enlightenment who happened to be Christians. They were influenced by John Locke and Spinoza far more than St. Augustine.
The only thing I disagree with is when DeMint talks about Religion. I think it does more harm then good personally, and is not needed. Other then that, I would vote for him if he ran for president.
DeMint should start representing the needs of his constituents instead of rasslin' with Tea Partiers all day.
AresCitadel 2 years ago
so you want him to suck off the federal tit for your needs...
tvicena 2 years ago
46 min of holding the camera, man you're a champ I wouldn't last for more than 5 minutes hehe
ZankDigiTrash 2 years ago
audio sucks!
thiswaythat 2 years ago
really....is that all you got out of that presser?
tvicena 2 years ago
I love your videos but i don't have 45 minutes to spend watching this video.
richarddbeck 2 years ago 3
@richarddbeck No, but I bet there will be 9 times a day that you have 5 minutes.
2eelShmeal 5 months ago in playlist How the world works
HaHAHA! He is undoing the public school's/unions lie's. "If you smoke pot then you will go on a killing spree" or "Once you learn how to fill out a check book,then you understand U.S. economics" or "Your credit rating makes you a good citizen"
Fockersnextdoor 2 years ago
I couldn't hear much in this video. Sound was too muted.
cnoyes72 2 years ago
I love it when someone uses the term "spread freedom". I liken it to when a person takes a dump in their own hand and then spreads their "freedom" all over someone else's face.
chjoezen 2 years ago
You do love strange things, turkey.
greengringo2003 2 years ago
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drogden 2 years ago
WAKEUP, MuFu! You're losing your freedom and ya aint' gotta clue!
greengringo2003 2 years ago
sucks. If you want someone who intelligently believes in free markets rather than someone who believes it in blind faith like this guy, look up the mises institute.
fluff125 2 years ago
fluff125, Jim Demint is working hard to get an audit of the Federal reserve. Its important to support him.
Justgetout 2 years ago
Now Fluffy, we each have our contribution to make. What has been yours?
greengringo2003 2 years ago
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SakyaNgor 2 years ago
the killing of Hypatia was historically insignificant to the causes of the Dark Ages. Far more significant would be the killing of Archaemedes by the Roman centurion.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
However they were both irrelevant to the fall of Rome which lead to the Dark Ages.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
The point of my debate with him was that Christianity isn't responsible for the Dark Ages. It certainly did things to prolong them but it didn't cause them.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Republicans aren't going to be taken seriously until they distance themselves from Fox News BS like Hannity and the shoving of Christianity as a means to an end. Sorry guys, I'm not sold on left/right, and you may well be right. I think plenty of your hearts are in the right place, but you'll have to get past that before the left, which has advanced past that crap at least on a social level (not to say their economics are in order necessarily), meets you in any serious discussion.
Spalg 2 years ago
Not to say on some level that isn't the left's fault either, but there is a larger part of me that says "there's no reason for the right to be doing this, this is what makes them seem archaic."
Spalg 2 years ago
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If you truly believe in what is American, Democrats at least show empathy and compassion. With war, recession, healthcare and affordable housing; a strong majority still agrees that we need CHANGE. Let's help Obama to put his policies to work so we may see CHANGE take effect sooner.
YES WE DID 2008!
YES WE CAN 2012!
y2joe802 2 years ago
Isn't Obama just doing the same thing Bush did? And where still in Iraq and Afghanistan, ObamaTard
Apptendo 2 years ago 2
Obamas ratings are plummeting so fast that by 2012 you wont have any HOPE of winning and all you will be left in pocked is CHANGE.
PresidentTeleprompte 2 years ago
then HOPE to fucking God that Palin isn't elected. She'd make me execute that white kid threat of "Fuck this, I'm going to Canada."
Spalg 2 years ago
HTWW, Stop being divisive. Haven't you had enough of 8 years of Bush and McSame's policies?
The current administration is not a terrorist group bent on destroying HOPE, Right wingers like you are! America has shown last year that it wanted CHANGE to bring about HOPE. Taking an opposition to Obama is taking an opposition to the HOPE of Americans. We need CHANGE to ensure America will emerge strong and united once again.
YES WE DID 2008!
YES WE CAN 2012!
y2joe802 2 years ago
Yeah, Obama ran on a platform of change but where is the change? He is following the same fiscal policy and the same foreign policy only both are bigger. Obama is destroying the wealth of the nation. What is needed is for the gov to severely contract and lowering taxes. Lowering taxes while increasing spending will do nothing.
christo930 2 years ago 3
Is this a children's book?
Blurbs by Ollie North, Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, and Steve Forbes.
Oh, so it is a children's book.
HellWithPoverty 2 years ago
Never judge a faith by its abusers. For that matter, don't bother judging a faith by any of its practitioners. Instead, judge a faith by its written text. You'll learn lots.
sveardze 2 years ago
LOL - go ahead and read the Bible and come back and say that. The Bible is one of the most ridiculously absurd and violently barbaric religious texts ever conceived.
FreeThoughtCrime 2 years ago
Yes, one is much better off to say "judge Christianity by its followers, not its text."
Spalg 2 years ago
Who are you talking to?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
The little voices only he can hear....
am60mo 2 years ago
Apparently.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Spalg what's obvious about your tirade is you're primarily arguing with your own strawmen. For example no one denied Islamic societies flourished during the Dark Ages. In fact that point was made by myself to counter the earlier alleged world wide Dark Age. As for your take on the outlandishness of the Greek inventions, what he was referring to was Heron's Steam Engine. What he was implying was Christianity ended this research and that is completely unfounded.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Why is it unfounded? Because Heron lived from 10-70 AD. The major sack of Alexandria that caused the most significant loss in information came as consequence of Aurelian's invasion 200 years after he died.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
I am also some what perturbed by your "but Christians sacked the library too!" comment. Its clear you've not even bothered to read my earlier responses. If you had you'd have known I said this. Please take the time to read the debate for posting in the future. It will save time.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
I read through it a while back ... as I recall, it recorded many historical occurrences that are barbaric (rape, incest, massacring, etc) but simply recording these events doesn't translate into an endorsement. It would be like saying, "I just heard about the Darfur situation from CNN, that network sure has a lot of nerve!!"
sveardze 2 years ago
You recall wrong.
Murder, rape, genocide, infanticide, slavery, human sacrifice, etc, are not just recorded as occurring. They are recorded as being explicitly commanded by the Judeo-Christian deity. Read Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Job, Joshua, Numbers, and come back to give your comments. Because right now, you're merely taking out of your ass.
FreeThoughtCrime 2 years ago
That all happened in the Old Testament... there is now a New Testament that supersedes the old one. The only reason the Old Testament is still a part of the Bible is the need to provide a historical backdrop for the New Testament.
sveardze 2 years ago
Yes, I know Christians like to distance themselves from the unsavory parts of the Bible when it so suits them. If the OT is irrelevant why do you guys still use it? Besides, it's till the same god. And what about the whole brutal bloody human sacrifice nonsense that forms the whole basis of the New Testament? Your religion is batshit. And the only reason you don't realize it is because you're brainwashed.
FreeThoughtCrime 2 years ago
Yes, the majority of people who claim to believe the Bible pick and choose what parts they want to believe. which according to the religion, is wrong, so they are not actually Christians at all.
And brutal bloody sacrifice do you speak of? Jesus? i suppose?
Ranulfpitike 2 years ago
This is one of the most ignorant statements, I have ever read.
terskip 2 years ago
Well, as i have just finished the Bible, its to show God's wisdom and Kindness, and his promises. Plus showing his works and power through just regular people.
You are partially correct, however.
And before someone looks at this and decides to not take me seriously, i am not a christian.
Ranulfpitike 2 years ago
well not rape, or murder
Mocni 2 years ago
Yes, rape. Yes, murder. Multiple instances of both.
FreeThoughtCrime 2 years ago
This isn't the first time I've seen other atheists use the "prove its viable" shifting-the-goal-post style of argument.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
This isn't the first time I've seen somebody ignorant of the Dark Ages say "at least it wasn't Islam"
Spalg 2 years ago
What exactly wasn't Islam?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
No actually its a perfectly true statement in the context of the argument you clearly didn't bother reading. The double standard I mentioned referred his demanding separate criteria than that of which he judged either Chritistianity or Islam. That is a double standard. I'm not going to debate your "incentives to do wrong" point because its yet another shifting-the-goal-post style argument.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
This is a awesome video and the truth.
IconListening 2 years ago
Christianity stifled the human endeavor for over 1000 years. Humans were on the brink of a breakthrough right at the point where Christianity came in a destroyed the science breakthroughs being discussed at the time.
I was thrilled to see Mr DeMint give the blame to the GOP for acting so irresponsibly since 2k. it is only through acknowledgment of the problem that a solution can be worked out. This is what the conservative community needs.
christo930 2 years ago
Considering Christianity never encompassed the whole world I find your first statement hideously myopic. Christianity, while at times a hindrance to science wasn't the cause of the Dark Ages. Abject Roman statist incompetence was. If you mean to blame Christians for the burning of Library you should realize the Mulism did far, far more damage.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
You sir are beyond retarded.
1. You first show little understanding of the term "Dark Ages". You obviously don't know its time period was AFTER the Romans.
2. Christianity destroyed everything that wasn't in agreement with their "holy" book. Christianity justified the state of living during the Dark Ages. You can't deny that nor pass it off as a "hindrance".
3. Way to bring in Islam just to "compare"
asshole
Cmon! wtf is wrong with you???
lavawarior 2 years ago
Christianity, like Islam, was and is used by oppressive rulers to enslave their people and justify any decisions they make. It's just like how we now blame Islam for the terrorist attacks. Its the same thing as the crusades in the middle ages. It's oppressive regimes that are the problem. Not religion.
foolsonparade 2 years ago
Your attempt at rebuttal in no way justifies your previous statement of "Christianity stifled the human endeavor for over 1000 years". The Dark Ages were already well in effect 1000 years ago. While the church didn't do its best to educate the populous it was their monks who took up the sole effort to recover and maintain antiquities. The issue isn't as black and white as you'd have us believed.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
That wasn't a rebuttal. That was the first thing Ive said to you. You must have meant to reply to another statement.
foolsonparade 2 years ago
I might have clicked the wrong name.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
which comment did you receive?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
You could say the same thing about communism. I would love to live in a communist utopia if one existed. Unfortunately, it's an unworkable pipe dream. Men who would go after profits go after power instead and inevitably abuse it. Islam is a little different because it has no central authority, but people abuse it just the same.
America has the problem in that it has become the fattest, richest, laziest society the earth has ever known or ever will. Africans would kill for the stuff we throw away
christo930 2 years ago
Islam isn't any different, its has central authority figures. There's no sense in damage controlling for them.
As for your comment on America, please remand yourself to the discussion at hand. Your opinions of the US are irrelevant to question of Christianities' social effects.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
"Islam isn't any different, its has central authority figures. There's no sense in damage controlling for them"
I'm not a Muslim, but as I understand it, there is no authority in Islam and all Muslims are equal. Now, there are Muslim political leaders and they are just as bad as the church, but they also can't issue new edicts
christo930 2 years ago
now you're just white washing. There are central authorities. At one point in history there too was just 1 sole authority who presided over the religion. As for all Muslims being equal, you are aware of sunni vs shi'ite violence, correct?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Yes, but I think that comes from a separate interpretation of the Qu'ron. Honestly, I don't know that much about Islam and I certainly wasn't defending Islam, I was just pointing out the lack of a pope like figure or even priests or preachers.
christo930 2 years ago
Look into the history of the Qu'ron. Most of it was just recorded jargon thrown together in the most comprehensible fashion a few men could muster. It was more incoherent than the new testament prior to the Nicaean Council
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Were we discussing communism?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
I was responding to someone blaming humans for messing up Christianity. I pointed out that communism is also great in theory, but it doesn't work in practice.
christo930 2 years ago
Christianity is pretty screwed in theory as well.
Muslims saved more of Greek thought than the monks did, that doesn't make their religion any less barbaric and pointless.
Spalg 2 years ago
I highly doubt that given their destruction of what remained of the library of Alexandria. Aside from that point my response was made in reply to his request.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Christians sacked that library too, and highly doubt shit, without the Muslims you don't have the Renaissance. Their knowledge of Greek thought bleeding into Spain was what helped. The Dark Ages of Christendom was fine for Islam, and the Muslim world produced the only Western philosophy of the time outside of maybe John the Scot. When a whole area follows a religion, one man's intelligence who happens to follow the religion means nothing for said religion
Spalg 2 years ago
1. The era immediately after the fall of the Roman empire was the Dark Ages which was brought about by their fall from grace.
2. Just like the renaissance men...oh wait.
3. OH NOES. I could very easily say "way to bring Christianity in just poison the well".
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Also, the stupid point about the Library Of Alexandria, if you wish to play the "who was the great burden to philosophy" It was the Saint Cyril who ordered the brutal killing of Hypatia in a way to send the message that we don't wish for any philosophy outside of our own
Spalg 2 years ago
You fail on so many different level.
1. Congratulation you finaly know _when_ the Dark Ages took place! You still fail to understand the mechanism that kept the Dark Ages going... *cough* Christianity *cough*. By your logic and in the context of your posts, the singular impact of the fall of one empire lasted ~1000 year [.....]
2. Failed comparision is fail
3. Once again failed comparision is fail, the subject at hand IS Christianity.
What are you 14?
lavawarior 2 years ago
1. There were numerous mechanism that kept the Dark Ages going. Including abject poverty, feudal interference, disease, wars etc. Please cite for me the body of historians who lay this tragedy in the lap of Christianity.
2/3 You're not saving face by stating "fail". Also comparisons can be made while maintaining the subject. Take a college level course on logic.
Am I 14? You're using "fail" comments and you ask me this?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
"By your logic and in the context of your posts, the singular impact of the fall of one empire lasted ~1000 years"
Rofl no. Please reread what I wrote. The response regarding 1000 years referred to the other posters' argument.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
While you attempt to desperately ignore the facts, monasteries were just as much centers of learning as they were religious. The maintenance of the Greek and Roman antiquities recovered by the monks were held in their personal libraries. Most of the well educated, even Charlemagne, the Christian king responsible for reigniting learning, was educated by members of the religious order.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
it might also be merited to include the fact that the Germanic tribes were never formally educated in to begin with.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
It might also be merited to include the fact that the Germanic tribes adopted Christianity after invading Rome.
lavawarior 2 years ago
It's not relevant that the Germanic tribes converted to Christianity. i brought them up for demographic reasons.
Anyhow I'm still waiting on those references I asked from you.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
FAIL
Along with Christianity, those Germanic tribes formed the feudal systems that led to the misery of millions.
Misery being:
1. Poor health. Christianity proclaimed prayers cure everything. No time for medicine(WITCH!).
2. Poverty. Christianity justified the difference between rich and poor.
3. War. Crusades anyone?
lavawarior 2 years ago
I see, now we're going to lump all state sanctioned actions in with Christianity. You're becoming more and more disingenuous.
1. Which of course was their fault because those damn subsistence farming Christians caused the Dark Ages!
2. Oh of course.
3. All wars. Christianity's fault.
Are you through?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
how are all wars Christianity's fault?
and no it was actually caused by the vikings destroying vital archives in libraries all over Europe which destroyed their scientific teachings.
LittleMrRepublican 2 years ago
I was being sardonic.
As for the vikings, what makes you believe they were so responsible for decline in information?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
I JUST TOLD YOU!
Vikings raided libraries and so much information was lost that it took a period of 200-300 years for some of it to be regained!
LittleMrRepublican 2 years ago
Was Ivar responsible for this or were these just random raids?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Look in a history book and you'll find that the Vikings operated in several hundred small tribes and only a few large ones.These were most likely random raids on any town village city they could get their hands on.
Now the reason they would burn down the library,is because they always speculated of a new age,ruled by them and them alone and all other things created by a race other than theirs was meaningless.
So there you have I have just check-mated you.
LittleMrRepublican 2 years ago
Check-mated me? You've said just what I wanted you to.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
What facts???
My god you're beyond stupid!
All you mention is near irrelevant to this discussion! It's as if you don't understand the meaning of the Dark Ages.
Do show examples of monasteries saving knowlege controversial to the Christian Ideal, and promoting SCIENTIFIC learning.
Ever heard of Copernicus and Gallileo?
You do know the Scientific Revolution only began when people started to reject religious(Christian) doctrines and superstitions?
I loled at the mention of Charlemagne
lavawarior 2 years ago
My knowledge of the Dark Ages is fine. So far it's you who've yet to profess any knowledge on the subject.
Some examples? Because just saving information, such as have been called "the classics" isn't enough? Socrates' (among others) works were maintained by the catholic. The Socratic method is the very basis of what we view today as the scientific method.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
"My knowledge of the Dark Ages is fine"
FAIL. It's obviously not
"The Socratic method is the very basis of what we view today as the scientific method"
FAIL. Lrn2Science
"Because just saving information, such as have been called "the classics" isn't enough? Socrates' ... works were maintained by the catholic."
FAIL
Not only is that your opinion, it's still not enough. It doesn't measure up to the church impeding scientific progress. The works were also kept in Greece...
lavawarior 2 years ago
Fail? Oh of course. Obviously its not.
Socratic method isn't Scientific? News to me. Your request for scientific research was never anything more than an attempt to move the goal posts. Knowledge isn't limited science. Nor are the foundations of science limited to what we understand of modern mathematics.
Doesn't measure up? By ignoring what they did to promote learning I suppose you could see it that way. Your rational doesn't justify you blaming them for the Dark Ages though.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Check up on your definitions idiot.
Last time I checked science is what has lead people to better lives, but forget that when you have philosophy and no food.
*Facepalm*
Yeah promote learning. LOL!
If you see farming and praying as learning you right.
lavawarior 2 years ago
Have I ever heard of Copernicus and Gallileo? Yes. Are you aware that you're arguing a strawman?
You loled at the Charlemagne reference? Then you're ignorant of the Carolingian Renaissance made possible through his provisions to church based educational centers.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
You call that a straw man?
DOUBLE FAIL
A straw man: misrepresentation of an opponent's position.
Let's see...
Cop. and Gall. Heliocentric theory.
Christianity. Earth is center of universe.
The rest is history... I see no strawman, just one more example of Christianity impeding progress in the Dark Ages.
Seeing as I have French descent, the last part of your comment is pretty stupid. You obviously don't know that those center were made to create statemens not scientists.
lavawarior 2 years ago
Double fail? Double tripple dog dare fail? K, I will explain this for you. You misrepresented my argument by suggesting I've stated the Church didn't do anything to prolong the Dark Ages. I never said that. Ever. You're free to look through EVERY post.
Wow French descent? Definately stupid. Scientists are the only learned that matter. Gotcha.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
I'm probably going to have to give Nietzsche, Paine, Jefferson, Etienne, Hume, and Schopenhauer and update on that one...
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Some different philosophies in there...
dwoti 2 years ago
Seeing as your on a computer and you are willing to put science near the bottom in terms of importance, you are either
1 A hypocrite or 2 A retard
You have little appreciation for something that has offered so much. You tell me when Socrates started to feed the poor during the Dark Ages.
lavawarior 2 years ago
Lol. I'm sorry but this is just comedy gold. Please show me where I placed science at the bottom of the list of importance. Why are you even bothering to erect this strawman?
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Greek thinkers were on the brink of the steam engine and it had been written about allong with the true nature of the earth sun relationship, the true size and shape of the earth and other break throughs. The Christians destroyed all of that work and the church imprisoned people who thought differently. Remember, the church has become as soft as it is because they lost power not because they became enlightened. Put the church in power again and watch the Judas chair return.
christo930 2 years ago
Your claims are incredibly outlandish. It is also absolutely irresponsible of you to blame the whole of Christianity for the fire started in Alexandria. If that is the case then the very Greeks you commend are also responsible for destroying the remnants of the worlds first technological marvel cities that remained after the explosion of Santorini.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Well, let me ask you this. What has Christianity done for the world? The way I see it, all of the scientific advances we made in the past few hundred years and especially the 20th century could have been accomplished without Christianity and was NOT accomplished until the church lost power. Just look at the innovation in the US without being ruled by the church. For all of it's faults, modern life has created a great deal of human happiness and relieved human suffering.
christo930 2 years ago
First your argument is just obfuscation. I don't have to prove to you that Christianity is "good" for your previous statement regarding the past 1000 years to be wrong. However, just to humor you, I mentioned that the monks were directly responsible for acquiring and protecting Greek and roman Antiquities that would have otherwise been lossed. You can also thank them for scientific discoveries such as heritability tables.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
No, no, no! I am not talking about the accomplishments of anyone who is a Christian, I am talking about what Christianity itself can do for man. The Christian holy book is filled with nonsense and very poor morality so you can't even get that.
Religion is based on ignorance and misunderstanding of the world around us. Humans motivated by
1) Desire for power
2) Desire for knowledge
made the shit up.
christo930 2 years ago
Then your phrasing your question in such a way that Christianity can never be perceived as positive based entirely on ideology. All-the-while condemning all of Christianity for the actions of some of its followers. A rather clear double-standard given your rephrased request.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
But Christianity teaches those things. Obviously not all of them, but a great deal. Look at the modern Christian Zionists who are deliberately fanning the flames in the middle east hoping to bring about Armageddon so Jesus can return and bring peace on earth! How about the Christian reconstructionist movement that wants to bring back biblical law. Christianity IS to blame for this stuff. The whole attitude that god will save us from our actions like AGW and "be fruitful and multiply"!
christo930 2 years ago
What exactly are you wanting me to address that countless other ideology don't also express in some form or fashion? Again you want to condemn Christianity because, in your mind, some Christians stoke the flames. You're not abiding by your own standards.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
No, within Christianity is the obvious incentive to do horrid things. Straight from the Bible, and it's been quite a burden from what was done directly in its name. You wish to say "Oh well some Christians did good too." Sure they did, but everybody was a Christian. I say Tv is pretty shitty, but hey Bill Gates owned a tv and he did good. Fine, but that doesn't matter, but the telescreen in 1984 would be directly related to tv's negatives, and that's just fiction.
Spalg 2 years ago
Christianity isn't responsible for the actions of it's followers, but it is responsible for the actions and ideas taught in it's dogma and holy books. Christians believe (because of Christianity) that humans should keep multiplying endlessly because god will always provide for us. Granted other societies have population problems, but it's not taught as a dogma at least.
christo930 2 years ago
How does this at all address the argument regarding the past 1000 years? You're deliberately side tracking this conversation.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
That's a shit statement. No, immoral action x is justified by this holy book. A Christian by definition follows this holy book, or it wouldn't be holy. Thus, the very ideology has problems. That isn't a double standard. You seem to think this rather lame "but I'm a Christian and I don't kill people" is a good argument, but it is irrelevant. I don't agree with plenty of christo (he's probably a secular humanist, and that would annoy me), but you paint yourself into a corner.
Spalg 2 years ago
None of that was outlandish, except maybe the steam engine and that's only because I don't know anything about that. Eratosthenes and Aristarchus back up the other statements.
Spalg 2 years ago
I would've, to the largest degree possible, rather been a Muslim in the Dark Ages than a Christian. If you go "hey, immigration rates tell me people still like America" then don't turn around and say "The Dark Ages sucked, but at least it wasn't Islam." LOLWUT. Islam has fallen to a ghastly state, but it's become a bit more true to its roots and Christianity less so. The Qur'an is based on the Bible, it's the same philosophy
Spalg 2 years ago
I'm not certain who this argument is directed at but it fails to establish your point. During the Dark Age Islamic countries were rising into an intellectual golden age, really there highest point. This isn't refuted by stating since that point they've fallen.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Yes I realize that Christianity wasn't a world wide thing, but it only has to push down the right society to bring down the whole world. Imagine where we would be right now if not for the societies we call "the west". Imagine if the library had not been allowed to deteriorate and then burned down along with a Christian mob tearing a human being alive (great Christian values). Imagine if the church had encouraged science instead of stifling it. But men who study the bible learn nothing.
christo930 2 years ago
Your first statement is absolutely incorrect. While Christian Europe wallowed in illiteracy and social decay the East was thriving (particularly China). There never was a global Dark Age.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Imagine what could have been acomplished without the church pushing their dogma. We might be living for 150 years if the church hadn't insisted that disease was caused by demons and sin. These men studied the bible instead of science and you don't learn ANYTHING useful reading a bible. Imagine if you weren't told from the time you are a child that the bible was the written word of a magical deity, would you believe anything in it? Talking snakes, people living in fish, the dead rising...nonsense
christo930 2 years ago
Imagine where we'd be with mother nature wasn't such a bitch and decided to vent her PMS on Santorini. The "what if's" are limitless.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
Well if we really wanted to make society better we would be implementing eugenics. In no time at all we would erase from the pages of history all of the miscreants
PresidentTeleprompte 2 years ago
Your words, not theirs.
Spalg 2 years ago
I don't know about all that.
christo930 2 years ago
Why not you are opposed to Christianity because there morality seemd to get in the way. Why you than be opposed to making society better be phasing out the dumbest, weakest.
PresidentTeleprompte 2 years ago
I oppose Christianity because it isn't true. It isn't healthy to believe things because you want to, you need to believe things because they are shown as true. The bible isn't even good for morality because it teaches such immoral things like slavery, murdering gays, murdering adulterers, killing animals because god likes the smell of them burning... Where would our healthcare be if we followed the bible? The bible says that disease is caused by sin, not by germs. It goes on and on.
christo930 2 years ago
Easy for you to say, dork. You've had everything handed to you. When will you grow up and start being responsible for yourself? You/re a spoiled brat of a spoiled baby boomer, I'd guess. Go back in the closet and read a book.
greengringo2003 2 years ago
If you had a brain you'd be dangerous. You do know that you can click on someone's name and get their age, right? My parents were born in the 30's and I am 39. I had NOTHING handed to me. Since you lied about your birthdate, I don't know how old you are, but I'd guess you are a teenager.
Take you Christianity and shove it up your ass. I guarantee you that if you read the bible, you will be an atheist. The bible is what converted me to atheism.
christo930 2 years ago
Well, better an ethical atheist than a Christian drop-out who couldn't find the wisdom in the Bible. And congratulations to your parentrs who lived in times that Obooboo wants to bring back for everybody to enjoy all over again. But anyway . . . you do seem smart enuf to realize that at some point, faith has to play a part in religion. Now, we do still have to determine if you are ethical . . . where's the proof? Show me that and you can go out and play.
greengringo2003 2 years ago
Guarantee it huh? Don't say stuff like that, it's really annoying being told what you think by someone else. It's also really arrogant.
PeanutButterGamer 2 years ago
Then why did you do it to me?
christo930 2 years ago
I didn't. I didn't tell you what to think. Read what I said and comprehend it before responding please.
PeanutButterGamer 2 years ago
Eugenicists tried that once. The results were less than stellar.
Xtro2005 2 years ago
China was going through brilliant times of literature, and the places in the west with philosophy, were those where the Christianity was gone, like the Muslim world, or where barbaric invasions as well as the major Christian "Fuck reading!" attitude was gone, such as Ireland. Ireland though had just NeoPlatonism and John the Scot as the only known philosophy. The Muslim world was criticizing Aristotle and bringing the foundation for the Renaissance.
Spalg 2 years ago
So he's promoting individualism, saying it's what made our country what it is. Religious freedom is just one effect of that, and is not needed for the country to be great. Just individualism is needed.
juliecranford 2 years ago
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But even then he is wrong, individualism may be cherished by many in this country, but it is absolutely not 100% necessary to make this country prosperous. In many other prosperous nations a collective idealism thrives. A good example is Japan.
wisdumcube 2 years ago
Japan has a mixed economy, just as we do. Their prosperity is in spite of the collectivist side of its economy. That being said, they still fell victim to the Asian Contagion of the 90's, and have never completely recovered. Note that we have not been losing jobs to Japan for awhile now. On the other hand, India and China which liberalized their collectivist economies have boomed and have been our greatest source of competition these last 10 years or so.
TracyII77 2 years ago
He was doing great until 11:00 minutes into the video when he brings up Christianity.
He talks about freedom and following the constitution then he goes on to christianity and democracies. We don't have a democracy and this moron should know that. We have democratic elections to hold up our constitutional republic.
christo930 2 years ago
Your extremely loud ending scared the crap out of me!
lol other than that, great coverage man. Let's see more!
ironclad452 2 years ago
another idiot trying to PLUG HIS BOOK.
what he says is right, but his understanding is crap.
the REASON ppl are trying to turn this country into a socialist state is because the POOR have no american dream... no opportunity for progress... so they/we say, "if we can't have it SCREW YOU TOO!"
this guy doesn't get it.
worse still, he has NO PLAN OF ACTION. worst yet, HE HAS NO POWER, he just talks a lot... bla bla bla... action, not words, profeteering republican idiot.
ron paul!
rtardbox 2 years ago
Recently I have experienced a shift towards the values and ideas of libertarianism but due to the underlying Marxist values at my university we never really learned anything about this particular paradigm, so I feel kinda illiterate on the subject.
Can someone mention the true classics of libertarianism? I have read Atlas Shrugged but would like something more scientific, probably something regarding the Austrian Shcool. Maybe the best of Rothbard or Hayek?
MigDanskeren 2 years ago
No true conservative would ever give
out a no-bid contract, would never
start a financial bailout, and would never
say a war would cost 100 million and
run it into the trillions.
You are being fooled. A true conservative
will always put principle over money/material/pride/fame. Always.
Show me one that has.
polisharabia 2 years ago
The term you are looking for is honest politician, and those don't exist. Everyone who enters into politics has an ulterior motive, and being a good politician means playing the political game: telling the people what they want to hear, not what they should hear. (Lying to serve and protect their own interests).
wisdumcube 2 years ago
polisharabia 2 years ago 3
This guy has obviously never seen Saving Private Ryan...
cuchulainn424 2 years ago
Watching a 46 minute video is asking a lot. Maybe have a clip of you saying what the video is about and why its important next time.
dmaergh 2 years ago
You don't have to watch it. Nobody is asking you to.
I liked it and 46 minutes is not very long if what you hear is interesting.
MigDanskeren 2 years ago
Sorry dude, I like Senator DeMint as much as the next guy, probably even more since I'm from South Carolina, but I can't sit and listen to him talk for 46 minutes at a time.
deal0rtruth 2 years ago
the entire US army didn't go after private ryan...
LamboK28992 2 years ago
welcome to the fall of the second emmpire. Like Rome our works will be regaurded as classics. R.I.P. America.
sustainedbyramen 2 years ago 3
Saving Freedom
82816a 2 years ago
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this guy is talking shit, and only interested in cashing in on his book, its a book tour, not a political speech, the senate would be the place for that, there are more people educated today than ever with none government education policy's of the past, if only people like him came at these problems with open minds, and not idealogical shit for brains.
tersse 2 years ago
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Let's spread freedom throughout the world through genocide!!!! Woohoo!!!
OmarThePug 2 years ago
Is your reading comprehension as bad as your listening comprehension?
The point was if we don't have freedom here, how can we spread it.
HowTheWorldWorks 2 years ago
with a gun , how else
jfeuiebf 2 years ago
The bigger question is: why must we spread our freedom? Let other countries be responsible for their own liberations. If we do it for them we are only taking away their dignity, plus liberating countries is a costly business. We can't extend our influence too far or we will strain our resources (both manpower and funding).
wisdumcube 2 years ago
the best way to spread freedom is to be the beacon on the hill.
tvicena 2 years ago
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As the speaker "talks" it seems like he is stuck in "the American dream" and is unable to coope with reality.
He makes ALOT of fallicies, which makes him sound like an creationist.
I wonder, if by judea-christian morals, he also wants to re-enstate slavery? the bible tells tales which are pro-slavery.
He talks about freedom, but i doubt he understands what "absolute freedom" is and how it CAN become a problem on society.
check the recent "Amsterdam Cab incident", as an example.
prognemesiss 2 years ago
prognemesiss ... if you work for someone else, and you are in debt, then you are a slave.
Go back maybe only 120 years .. what percentage of the average citizen was in debt? And what percentage is in debt today?
The past 100 years has been about enslaving us. Our "masters" are "big bank" and the Federal Reserve.
If we followed "Jewish traditions, every 7 years, all debt would be wiped out. That is were bankruptcy laws originated.
Robert697 2 years ago 5
There was a much smaller middle class 120 years ago, than we have at the moment.. actually there wasn't one really, so you could say that less people are literally, in debt.. or living as debters, slaves.. more or less.
HannibalFL86 2 years ago
Are you going to talk about specifics or just demonstrate that our tax dollars were wasted to pay for your education?
HowTheWorldWorks 2 years ago
well, that would be impossible, for i am from Holland. That small country from Europa.
but if you want something specific; he talks like America was founded on Judeo-christian morals, but it has been on secular morals. not only that, he claims that secular gov. will lead to disaster..
in short, a Bush follower... and you know how people all over the world have looked back at those 8 years. not in a very pleasant way.
prognemesiss 2 years ago
Corect me if im wrong but, werent we founded by christian morales?
PivotB3stZ 2 years ago
Not anymore according to Obama remember he said we are more of a Islam nation.
jp3711nc1 2 years ago
lol yeah, it was nice while it lasted though right? =D
PivotB3stZ 2 years ago
No, just look at secularism.
richi1173 2 years ago
actually on classical liberal values.
mpenton 2 years ago
Assuming you meant morals, you are wrong, because we were founded on the ideas of Adams as much as Paine. One of those was certainly a Christian and the other would spit in its face, respectively. If you mean a sort of Christian philosophy, no. The country was founded by men of the Enlightenment who happened to be Christians. They were influenced by John Locke and Spinoza far more than St. Augustine.
Spalg 2 years ago
The only thing I disagree with is when DeMint talks about Religion. I think it does more harm then good personally, and is not needed. Other then that, I would vote for him if he ran for president.
PUGS1688 2 years ago
I think after Obama people will see repubs as the lesser of evils and rightly so.
dinehope 2 years ago 2