Poeple ot to leave them alone to begin with. I hate poeple who deni the fact it is not natural to round up mustangs. how would u like it if someone came and capcherd u after being wild your whole life!!!!!!
What is the point of this video? The cowboy's were extremely gentle with this foal. 99% of the time, the foal is abandoned due to the cost incurred in order to retrieve it. Choose your battles....
@chfar072281 Yes. thanks for asking. The point is awareness of roundups, educating the public, and what happens despite BLM's assurances that "mares are allowed to drop back with their foals." That's not the way it happens. One point is there are no parameters on distance horses can be run/chased. This baby is exhausted, which is why he fell behind. Some are orphaned, some are never found. I address my "points" in dialogue you can read in these comments. Feel free to email elysegardner@me.com
There is a necessary need for these drives, The problem that I see looking at all these video's is there must be more to the story than what we are seeing.Meaning, someone saw something that was just flat wrong, and now they are trying to make it better for these horses I have to agree they should have to video tape every drive. any type of round up of any animals one of them is going to get hurt that is just a fact FOALS should never be left behind EVER they are the future.make the laws better.
@rsbloml I love your faith; I used to trust my government too. But they are not trying to make it better for the horses. The competition for the land is fierce: livestock, foreign and domestic investors in mineral extraction, water rights: The Wild Free-Roaming Horse & Burro Act is being violated is what's happening here. WIld horses are supposed to have priority on this land; it's one of the few Herd Management Areas left. Instead, they are outnumberd by livestock 4 to 1, for starters.
@HumaneObserver thank you so much for replying and posting your link to your blog. I have joined the blog as well posted to my facebook page my daughter will post it as well to hers maybe if enough people will post the links we can get more awareness of what is going on i hope to be able to help in this way i will post it once a week Thank you for sharing these video's wish i would have found them sooner
@rsbloml You sound like a thinking person. I aim to educate people about the whole story. I am not accusing anyone of abusing this foal in this video; the situation, however, is fatal for the wild horses in a number of ways. If you read my responses to the different comments, it will help shed some light on the big picture. Thank you for your comment. I hope you will continue to view and even subscribe to my blog at humaneobserver.blogspot.com and also read the blogs and websites I reference.
I understand the reason behind BLM, and also how some people may be sensitive to this type of thing because everything is abuse now... but the "he's not doing well" comment is somewhat ridiculous. He's fine, but if you had someone tie a rope to your tail and sandwich you between two grown horses you'd be pissed too.
@Sonialei77 No, this baby wasn't doing well. He almost fell down once when they did stop. Th whole reason he was out there is because he was spent. He experienced the most terrifying thing a foal can experience: his whole family was being chased by a terrifying bird and his burning little lungs and aching feet would not carry him far or fast enough to keep up with his family, and he was left alone as they ran off in front of the helicopter. He wasn't "pissed"; he was beat up, weak and scared.
@HumaneObserver Well, we don't know this from the video... we just see them crowding him. If there is a point to be made by this video is that they do get left behind by the herd, not by BLM. I don't agree with ALL of the BLM practices but I do think that a lot of times, things are blown out of proportion by people who only show us what THEY want us to see and that seems to be the case with this video. If this is true that he was ready to collapse from exhaustion then you might include in video
@Sonialei77 And I'd also like to add that just because we don't ALL see it the same that doesn't mean that you have to come across as a junk yard dog and making everyone feel like they're wrong just because we don't all agree with you. We aren't there, we don't see everything you do and because of that these videos are open for debate. Close the comments if our opinions are so bothersome!
@Sonialei77 "Junk yard dog"? LOL! That's a first. As long as I'm a poodle; I have curly hair. LOL. I am stating and doing my best to give the horses and burros themselves a voice, a chance to tell their whole story not just the spin BLM gives. I'm not trying to make anyone feel wrong. Your comments are welcome as long as they aren't foul and abusive. This is a good opportunity for dialog. I am not the one turning everything into an argument. I earnestly want people to have all the facts.
@Sonialei77 "He got left behind by the herd" is only a quarter of the story: please don't forget that the herd was being chased by a helicopter and as far as they're concerned were running for their lives. You can count on it that the only reason this baby got left behind was because he simply could go no further and probably thought he was going to die. Please; I am a simple court reporter from CA. How I wish this weren't happening. I am here so people can see what is really happening.
Each of us comes from our own perspective on this video. And I understand that horses get hurt and killed in these round ups, which is very sad. Maybe there could be a better way of rounding them up but I am not there trying to do that job, so I have a limited idea of how to improve the drive. But no matter how it is done there are always going to be some that get hurt and/or die. A sad fact of life.
@sweetsipsy Simply put: long helicopter drives are abusive to foals. Period. They fall behind. They get seriously lame. They regularly get orphaned. It is really bad. I do not believe we should just accept abuse as a "fact of life" and do nothing to improve the situation. Remind me not to vote for you! LOL! BLM needs to let bands with small foals alone.
@HumaneObserver Ya, don't vote for me.I have a different point of view than yours. So, how should BLM (the government) change what they are doing.It's one thing to complain but why don't you/we come up with a solution.More rules from the government is not going to help.Get the government out of it! Come up with some viable solutions.Some horses will still die in the process, though.
@sweetsipsy and how exactly is being driven to far to fast by a helicopter a 'sad fact of life'? the helicopter isnt natural and shouldnt even be USED at all!! you wouldnt be saying this if it was your family being chased and harrassed until exaughstion and, possibly, death!
@painthorselover101 I like your point about the helicopter and I didn't talk about that.I think they should use their riding horses because the speed would be regulated better. Although those mustangs are a heck of a lot tougher than our domestic ones.Nope I wouldn't be saying that because I am a human. I would turn and fight back. However these are horses which are lunch for predators, they react differently.
@sweetsipsy Umm, hate to tell you hotshot but if we didnt have guns and crap like that then WE would be lunch for predators. Actually, we still are! People are killed all the time by tigers, dogs, lions, crocodiles, bears, snakes, etc. Humans have no natural way of protecting themselves from threats. If it werent for all the stuff we made to protect ourselves then we would be at the bottom of the food chain, if we arent already!
@painthorselover101 Hotshot, huh.You assume I’m being some sort of hotshot, but I’m merely point out the difference between the prey and predator mentality.Although we are at times the prey for predators, we are built to be predators.Predators that hunt for their mere survival are opportunistic.They may not have another chance for a meal, so of course, if we happen to be there, we will possibly become lunch.
But our evolution equipped us with the ability to invent tools to protect, hunt, forage, & ect.Our natural way of protecting our selves is our brain.We have abused the use of this highly developed tool at times, though.Most prey animals are flight creatures and will run from danger but predators are more likely to make a stand and fight.Whether you believe in Creation, Intelligent Design, or Darwin’s Evolution, doesn’t matter.We were created this way.
Now, you might even assume that I don’t care for or love horses as much as you do because I see things differently than you.Well , you can think anything you want.You know what I think of you?I think you’re a caring person that genuinely cares and loves horses but who just see’s things differently than I do.
@sweetsipsy are you kidding me? most people, if faced with danger with no special wepon, would run. humans are a cowardly race. if we dont have a gun or knife we run. thats the way it is. humans arent predators, we dont have the teeth for it or the body structure for it. we evolved to eat meat and make tools to kill animals that we raise from birth but it doesnt make us predators.
@painthorselover101 I think first I would like to understand your definition of the word predator. Do we not prey on other organisms? Do we not still hunt, kill & eat other animals? This is how I define a predator. Yes our teeth can’t kill or be used as a wolf, tiger, bear or ect., but we weren’t always built as we are now. I believe in evolution and that we evolved into the build we have now. As our brain became more sophisticated,
, our creativity and ingenuity started to show.We started to devise tools, perhaps by accident at first but non the less, tools.And we didnt always raise animals as we do now either.We were hunters and gatherers.We also didnt always use weapons.Humans ran herds off cliffs or into huge ditches & waited for them to die.Our body has changed as our brain has evolved.We dont need the body of a wild predator anymore because our tools have made it easier for us.I believe too easy.Yes humans
have been cruel & are cruel.However, nature too is cruel.Wild dogs start eating their catch before it dies.Male lions kill the cubs of the previous ruler, when they take over the pride. Bears will kill the cubs too. Killer whales play with their food. Certain ants farm aphids. Bees have no will of their own, they are given an assignment & that is what they do for the rest of their life. Animals also have developed tools or use tools themselves.Apes use sticks to crush nuts & twigs
to probe for insects. Certain birds too.Dolphins developed sonar & Bats radar.Wolves & bears developed an incredible sense of smell & hawks and eagles their eye sight.They developed these things to be more efficient hunters just like our development of tools.Tools are an extension of the body.There are sentries of recorded history, were people have fought back with nothing but their determination, brains and physical body.Do you have kids? Wouldn’t you
fight back, even if you had no formidable weapon? I would! And that doesn’t make me some sort of Hotshot, as you said. I would give my life to protect my daughter.
@sweetsipsy i'm 17, and unlike some girls my age i have no kids and have no plans to have kids. you have a point, but nothing about mustang blm roundups is natural or humane.
@painthorselover101 I think it's good you are passionate about something. Maybe you will be an advocate for change. I was like you in, at your age, in the way that I had no plans for kids. However years later I got one and she makes my world go around. Well her and my animals. Love them all. I can't imagine living a life without them in it. Go do great things painthorselover!
This clip stirs a lot of dialog, this is good. I repeat what I said earlier: I am not saying this film shows abuse & I'm not saying we should never round up wild horses. T point is there are NO LEGAL LIMITS how far or fast they can drive the wild horses. Babies are left behind daily. Traumatic. Not all are found. Some suffer terrible hoof and leg injuries. BLM & contractors need limits. They do not police themselves and round up in extreme temps, drive too far. This shouldn't have happened.
Everyone thinks they're being nice because they're being filmed. Some people have hearts and those videos about the roundups have people thinking that all the horses are terribley "abused". Sure, some are hurt. BUt without these roundups, the Western U.S. would be overrun with wild horses. These are essential to mantaining wild horse populations. Unless you want the horses to be shot instead, this is the most humane method to controlling the population and they often go to good homes.
1st of all its better that they get the colt instead of leaving it in the wild alone2nd they have to get the colt back to the heard how else are you goin to move it? it kicks the rope bc it dnt know what it is nt bc there hurtin it3rd this world is gettin very populated with people and buildings there is very few roaming places for these animals so instead of just killing them they are using them for something 5th horses are ANIMALS not human beings! they were put here by God to serve a purpose
lol they aren't hurting this little guy at all. He's just never been handles. They aren't dragging him along by his neck,all baby horses learn to walk with a rope behind their butt. Or under their tail. It just lets them know to walk forward. Its not in any way hurting him
@KCC62BRx Id like to see how much youd appreciate having that rope between your bare legs being forced to walk over rough ground when you are so exhausted - where is your compassion! Weaning should never be done like this and this is a wild animal not used to people, and traumatized from being separated from its mom and herd. I'd Never let you around my horses or my kids with that attitude -thats cold.
@sweetsipsy Yep, I can just see someone tryng to get near his(or her) rump to brush or treat any future injury - fun - hope it isnt anyone you know cuz they may end up with a broken arm from him kicking the person that tries to get near their tail. Greaaaat training methods, yea.
@bhamblin1 You must work with horses different from the way I do. I use ropes all the time, to teach them to give to pressure, decensitize, and learn restraint. Nothing worse than seeing a horse riped up from getting tangled in wire. The men were not abusive with the rope and only added pressure in order to ask him to walk forward again. I'm sure your methods works well for you and your style of training. Have you ever watched a good horseman work a wid horse with a lariet?
freedom of wild horses must we seperate something from this it not natural enough it take us human farther farther from natural life ... money is nothing life is important respecting wild horses this little foal is lost it give you no feeling it cold when it seperate something that does not belong to you u stole the natural beauty mother n her foal belong in the wild together! free n beauty n bond of nature natural love running free peaceful ... this picture tell us alot knowing you stole
not right it still inhuman to know humancan not just allow this like a mare n it baby need to understand the bond why human do this ask yaself what real n honest n love that pull us farther away make no sense....
@turtlelover600 some are, sadly, sold to slaughter houses. Most of them go that way. If some are lucky they go to a rescue and live out their lives. Some people buy them at auction also.
Great job you do giving all that time and attention. I am a horse lover and owner and glad not be be in or from USA. The problem is always the same, there is space, money and time to do it all properly yet the interests of the most powerful will always surface. Cattle tycoons push for control of your public land and get it, why? Money calls money and power calls power. Yet every single action you take will always generate SOMETHING positive for your horses, keep spirits high and good luck.
@akanewe Not sure why you mentioned the USA part, because abuse exists in some form in Every country. Animal abuse has no borders. And I agree, this problem exists here because of the greed of cattle barons wanting the land for their cattle and want the horses gone. Some are killed outright from injuries in the roundup and put in burial pits to hide it, some go to slaughter, some starve while wanting to be adopted from the blm, some die in those trailers on the way to auction....
@bhamblin1 Damn right it does and in some places much worse than others. I maintain what I said cos I'm pinning that particular BLM problem to the USA, the vid is from there and that particular problem of wild horse destruction is there. Other abuses on animals elsewhere are just as denounceable of course.Yet the wild horse "problem" in England (New Forest), Wales, Lesotho, Mongolia or Russia is in itself different(never excusing abuse of course). That's why I mentioned the USA thing.
This is so stupid. Look at the alternative: "protect" these horses till they have over-populated the little bit of conserved land they're given, till they're forced to start showing up in peoples' backyards and personal livestock fields where they will likely be shot as pests? Stop making something out of nothing.
@CherokeeCheval Humans think they know whats best for every other species. They were here before us. And they wont be in back yards if they had more land. No offence intended.
I am not trying to discount anyone or argue with anyone either. But in this video I do not see the wrong. The fact that these men go out and get the stranded foals is a good thing right? And the rope under the tail, I have used that trick with many foals that have been born at the ranch i work at when we need to inspect them. It doesn't hurt them. A horses tail is used to stop a sleigh/carriage that it is pulling so it is very strong. So a rope underneath it does not hurt a horse.
@PiggyDog89 Your comment, though factually accurate, in no way justifies this massive, unnecessary roundup, nor does it justify treating wild horses in this manner. It's like saying, God forbid, if a 13-year-old's parents were killed in an accident, "Well, she's old enough to cook for herself." Horses aren't people, but can you see how your comment fails to address the total devastation and trauma of the roundup and its repercussions.
@LittlePOPLolli You miss the point. First of all, we don't know if he will be fine. Adrenalin masks many injuries till the following days. But the point is he fell behind because the horses are driven too long, too far. How many are left behind that we don't see? Why does BLM refuse to put mounted video on helicopter if everything is so nice and controlled? Technology is available, not expensive. They refuse to limit distance driven & always leave it up to profit-driven pilots. Not ok.
@LittlePOPLolli Another point, "Christ" is not a swear word. And neither is swearing is not ok if you want to comment.
Please understand that babies have soft hooves, and Twin Peaks (and Calico in Nevada, and many other home ranges of wild horses) are comprised of lava rock, very hard rock. Their hooves literally wear off, causing lameness, excruciating pain, even death. Do you follow up? We see and film lame babies regularly. I hate doing this work, but someone has to expose the wrong.
@HumaneObserver Babies hooves harden pretty quick and its not like the are pushing him. They are going at his pace not theirs. Would you prefer they leave him out there to die rather then getting him back to the herd so he can find him mom?
@Rose2Mystic From what I saw he stumbled into the grey a few times from exhaustion. As far as not pushing him, What The HECK do you think they were doing to round up the herd that he couldnt keep up with in the first place!!!!!!! And when they got him in the pen where did they leave his mother? NOT with him.
@bhamblin1 Does this video focus on the round up? No it is focused on the foal after the round up so that is were my comment lies on not pushing him. They are guiding him to move forward here. Yes he bumped into the gray and I agree it is from being pushed during the round up. And hoe do you know his mother is not shut up front with the others. I suppose you would prefer they left him alone to fend for himself thinking his mom is still out loose somewhere.
If you have ever trained a foal or horse that doesn't lead you use a butt rope to encourage them to move forward. They are not being mean to the foal at all. The foal is not fighting or getting worked up. Would you prefer they put a rope on its face or neck and drag it cause its scared???
Um, it's called have a little respect for the animals who carried us through battle, discovering new lands, etc etc for countless years. We should be GIVING BACK to them. Instead, we're just using them more and more.
@thetachi191 We name individual horses because they are all individuals. Naming an animal helps others recognize that animal's value as an individual. Helps us remember them, A roundup contractor once told me, "We don't even name our own horses." That tells me something about a person.You have a name; you are not just a number. I will delete your comment soon; BLM's treatment of the horses is obscenity enough for me. Please lose the obscenity and you are welcome to voice your opinion.
Get over yourselves, these guys had a job to do, and look, they even gently rounded up the stranded babies and you people are angry?! Then you accuse them of only being nice because they're on camera? You all have a brain between your ears, use them before you start being a part of the problem instead of the solutions. Being mad that these guys did this is like being mad that someone stopped traffic to help a mother duck and her babies cross a road.
@ceh43528 Of course t's good to get the babies rather than the alternative. The point is the entire roundup is an unnecessary, grueling process, and these horses should have been left alone. This is a legal Herd Management Area where the spirit and intent of the 1971 Act states the wild horses & burros should be the principle though not necessariy exclusive presence, yet BLM plans for livestock to outnumber horses & burros by 4 to 1, sometimes 21 to 1.
@ceh43528@ceh43528 Your comment reminds me of this: Look how lovingly that man bandages his wife's wounds after he beats her. This roundup never should have happened. California lost over half her remaining wild horses with this Twin Peaks roundup from a lush range where water is plentiful, no starving horses, no starving livestock.
@ceh43528 Oh shut the fuck up, the whole round-up is inhumane and unnecessary. They say it is because of population control and the fact that the horses are starving to death, when they are starving because all of their resources are being taken away from them to be used to cattle land. So why don't YOU use that thing in between your ears and find a different topic on a different video if you want to pick a fight. Because trust me honey, I always win. Have a great day, you heartless bastard.
@emoheartsJR The mother was rounded up, chased by the helicopter into the trap along with the whole family band. As often happens — daily, usually — this youngster was left behind because he/she couldn't keep up. He will not see her again unless it's thru a fence since he is old enough to wean.
@HumaneObserver They didn't take the mom away; baby fell behind when his family was running from the helicopter. He couldn't keep up and was left out there. Terrifying experience for a foal. Sometimes they can't find babies left behind. Young foals should not be subjected to long helicopter chases. But mom is hopefully already in the trap pen. If BLM thinks he still needs to nurse, he'll be put in with the wet mares when they get to the holding facilitiy and hopefully pair back up with her.
@KaliAppaloosaBlog@KaliAppaloosaBlog It's the circumstance itself that's abusive; it should never have come to this. It is the roundup itself that abuses them. Theyr not injuring him leading him this way but It became obvious as I watched that this foal was weak. Dave Cattoor did not let it stop and rest, I believe because he feared it might collapse. Foals are regularly left behind. BLM refuses to mount video cameras, refuses accountability, refuses to limit the distance horses are driven.
@KaliAppaloosaBlog How many are left behind that they don't go back for and/or can't find? There is zero accountability by the pilots. This is wrong. We are wanting mounted video cameras turned on at all times the helicopter is flying, and we want GPS coordinates so we know how long the drives are to the trap pen. BLM refuses to set limits or give this information. What is "transparent" about that?
I have been to several round ups, and the babies are simply left behind- Care is not taken to ensure the seperated foals that are recovered survive. They are often left in a pen with zero shade or water for several days...and Ive seen at least one left alone for a week..and it died.
The trouble I have with this is it shouldn't have happened at all; bands with such youngsters should be released from the chase. They say they allow moms and foals to "drop out" if foal can't keep up, but 1) they shouldn't be left alone without their band and stallion; 2) That isn't true. Mom often keeps going. Daily there were stranded babies. How many did they leave behind? We need a video camera on the helicopter. No one objects to that but BLM and contractor.
That foal is plenty old enough to be without his mother. and butt rope? That's how you teach them to lead. Looks to me like the wranglers were very gentle with him.
And how many are truly lost or injured so that they are not found? If there must be roundups, we need some real parameters set up. Right now there are none, just the pilot's judgement, just contractors paid by the horse. In Antelope every horse is wearing a $350 tag. The pay arrangement needs restructuring. Every time one goes in the trap, Ching! Rack up another $350. This needs to change.
The foals are usually reunited with their mothers at the temporary holding facility. They keep them separate from the adult horses to protect them from injury during transport. I don't believe these wranglers would have intentionally left the foal out there if I wasn't there. My concern is that babies should not be getting left behind at all. If a band has foals that can't keep up, leave the band alone.
You yuppie, tree huggin hippies don't have a damn clue what goes on out there and why these people do what they do, go put on your burkenstocks and feed you cats and shut the hell up
Don't waste your time calling President Obummer to save your nationally owned wild treasured Mustangs that have occupied American soil almost twice as long as Americans. Your sitting President refuses to even provide any evidence that he is qualified to serve and actively supports surrendering taxing jurisdiction over American's to the U.N. Do you really think he gives a damn about some horses that Speaker Harry Reid thinks should be slaughtered, sent for meat consumptions by humans?
I guarantee that the only reason these guys saved this foal and took it pretty easy bringing it in is because they knew they were being filmed. That foal can probably thank you for being alive right now- if it still is.
Poeple ot to leave them alone to begin with. I hate poeple who deni the fact it is not natural to round up mustangs. how would u like it if someone came and capcherd u after being wild your whole life!!!!!!
TRbreyerhorsecrazy 2 weeks ago
What is the point of this video? The cowboy's were extremely gentle with this foal. 99% of the time, the foal is abandoned due to the cost incurred in order to retrieve it. Choose your battles....
chfar072281 1 month ago
@chfar072281 Yes. thanks for asking. The point is awareness of roundups, educating the public, and what happens despite BLM's assurances that "mares are allowed to drop back with their foals." That's not the way it happens. One point is there are no parameters on distance horses can be run/chased. This baby is exhausted, which is why he fell behind. Some are orphaned, some are never found. I address my "points" in dialogue you can read in these comments. Feel free to email elysegardner@me.com
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
why is there no water for the horses?
Justtjenna 1 month ago
There is a necessary need for these drives, The problem that I see looking at all these video's is there must be more to the story than what we are seeing.Meaning, someone saw something that was just flat wrong, and now they are trying to make it better for these horses I have to agree they should have to video tape every drive. any type of round up of any animals one of them is going to get hurt that is just a fact FOALS should never be left behind EVER they are the future.make the laws better.
rsbloml 1 month ago
@rsbloml I love your faith; I used to trust my government too. But they are not trying to make it better for the horses. The competition for the land is fierce: livestock, foreign and domestic investors in mineral extraction, water rights: The Wild Free-Roaming Horse & Burro Act is being violated is what's happening here. WIld horses are supposed to have priority on this land; it's one of the few Herd Management Areas left. Instead, they are outnumberd by livestock 4 to 1, for starters.
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
@HumaneObserver thank you so much for replying and posting your link to your blog. I have joined the blog as well posted to my facebook page my daughter will post it as well to hers maybe if enough people will post the links we can get more awareness of what is going on i hope to be able to help in this way i will post it once a week Thank you for sharing these video's wish i would have found them sooner
rsbloml 1 month ago
@rsbloml You sound like a thinking person. I aim to educate people about the whole story. I am not accusing anyone of abusing this foal in this video; the situation, however, is fatal for the wild horses in a number of ways. If you read my responses to the different comments, it will help shed some light on the big picture. Thank you for your comment. I hope you will continue to view and even subscribe to my blog at humaneobserver.blogspot.com and also read the blogs and websites I reference.
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
I understand the reason behind BLM, and also how some people may be sensitive to this type of thing because everything is abuse now... but the "he's not doing well" comment is somewhat ridiculous. He's fine, but if you had someone tie a rope to your tail and sandwich you between two grown horses you'd be pissed too.
Sonialei77 1 month ago
@Sonialei77 No, this baby wasn't doing well. He almost fell down once when they did stop. Th whole reason he was out there is because he was spent. He experienced the most terrifying thing a foal can experience: his whole family was being chased by a terrifying bird and his burning little lungs and aching feet would not carry him far or fast enough to keep up with his family, and he was left alone as they ran off in front of the helicopter. He wasn't "pissed"; he was beat up, weak and scared.
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
@HumaneObserver Well, we don't know this from the video... we just see them crowding him. If there is a point to be made by this video is that they do get left behind by the herd, not by BLM. I don't agree with ALL of the BLM practices but I do think that a lot of times, things are blown out of proportion by people who only show us what THEY want us to see and that seems to be the case with this video. If this is true that he was ready to collapse from exhaustion then you might include in video
Sonialei77 1 month ago
@Sonialei77 And I'd also like to add that just because we don't ALL see it the same that doesn't mean that you have to come across as a junk yard dog and making everyone feel like they're wrong just because we don't all agree with you. We aren't there, we don't see everything you do and because of that these videos are open for debate. Close the comments if our opinions are so bothersome!
Sonialei77 1 month ago
@Sonialei77 "Junk yard dog"? LOL! That's a first. As long as I'm a poodle; I have curly hair. LOL. I am stating and doing my best to give the horses and burros themselves a voice, a chance to tell their whole story not just the spin BLM gives. I'm not trying to make anyone feel wrong. Your comments are welcome as long as they aren't foul and abusive. This is a good opportunity for dialog. I am not the one turning everything into an argument. I earnestly want people to have all the facts.
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
@Sonialei77 "He got left behind by the herd" is only a quarter of the story: please don't forget that the herd was being chased by a helicopter and as far as they're concerned were running for their lives. You can count on it that the only reason this baby got left behind was because he simply could go no further and probably thought he was going to die. Please; I am a simple court reporter from CA. How I wish this weren't happening. I am here so people can see what is really happening.
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
Each of us comes from our own perspective on this video. And I understand that horses get hurt and killed in these round ups, which is very sad. Maybe there could be a better way of rounding them up but I am not there trying to do that job, so I have a limited idea of how to improve the drive. But no matter how it is done there are always going to be some that get hurt and/or die. A sad fact of life.
sweetsipsy 1 month ago
@sweetsipsy Simply put: long helicopter drives are abusive to foals. Period. They fall behind. They get seriously lame. They regularly get orphaned. It is really bad. I do not believe we should just accept abuse as a "fact of life" and do nothing to improve the situation. Remind me not to vote for you! LOL! BLM needs to let bands with small foals alone.
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
@HumaneObserver Ya, don't vote for me.I have a different point of view than yours. So, how should BLM (the government) change what they are doing.It's one thing to complain but why don't you/we come up with a solution.More rules from the government is not going to help.Get the government out of it! Come up with some viable solutions.Some horses will still die in the process, though.
sweetsipsy 1 month ago
@sweetsipsy and how exactly is being driven to far to fast by a helicopter a 'sad fact of life'? the helicopter isnt natural and shouldnt even be USED at all!! you wouldnt be saying this if it was your family being chased and harrassed until exaughstion and, possibly, death!
painthorselover101 1 month ago
@painthorselover101 I like your point about the helicopter and I didn't talk about that.I think they should use their riding horses because the speed would be regulated better. Although those mustangs are a heck of a lot tougher than our domestic ones.Nope I wouldn't be saying that because I am a human. I would turn and fight back. However these are horses which are lunch for predators, they react differently.
sweetsipsy 1 month ago
@sweetsipsy Umm, hate to tell you hotshot but if we didnt have guns and crap like that then WE would be lunch for predators. Actually, we still are! People are killed all the time by tigers, dogs, lions, crocodiles, bears, snakes, etc. Humans have no natural way of protecting themselves from threats. If it werent for all the stuff we made to protect ourselves then we would be at the bottom of the food chain, if we arent already!
painthorselover101 1 month ago
@painthorselover101 Hotshot, huh.You assume I’m being some sort of hotshot, but I’m merely point out the difference between the prey and predator mentality.Although we are at times the prey for predators, we are built to be predators.Predators that hunt for their mere survival are opportunistic.They may not have another chance for a meal, so of course, if we happen to be there, we will possibly become lunch.
sweetsipsy 1 month ago
But our evolution equipped us with the ability to invent tools to protect, hunt, forage, & ect.Our natural way of protecting our selves is our brain.We have abused the use of this highly developed tool at times, though.Most prey animals are flight creatures and will run from danger but predators are more likely to make a stand and fight.Whether you believe in Creation, Intelligent Design, or Darwin’s Evolution, doesn’t matter.We were created this way.
sweetsipsy 1 month ago
Now, you might even assume that I don’t care for or love horses as much as you do because I see things differently than you.Well , you can think anything you want.You know what I think of you?I think you’re a caring person that genuinely cares and loves horses but who just see’s things differently than I do.
sweetsipsy 1 month ago
@sweetsipsy are you kidding me? most people, if faced with danger with no special wepon, would run. humans are a cowardly race. if we dont have a gun or knife we run. thats the way it is. humans arent predators, we dont have the teeth for it or the body structure for it. we evolved to eat meat and make tools to kill animals that we raise from birth but it doesnt make us predators.
painthorselover101 1 month ago
@painthorselover101 I think first I would like to understand your definition of the word predator. Do we not prey on other organisms? Do we not still hunt, kill & eat other animals? This is how I define a predator. Yes our teeth can’t kill or be used as a wolf, tiger, bear or ect., but we weren’t always built as we are now. I believe in evolution and that we evolved into the build we have now. As our brain became more sophisticated,
sweetsipsy 3 weeks ago
, our creativity and ingenuity started to show.We started to devise tools, perhaps by accident at first but non the less, tools.And we didnt always raise animals as we do now either.We were hunters and gatherers.We also didnt always use weapons.Humans ran herds off cliffs or into huge ditches & waited for them to die.Our body has changed as our brain has evolved.We dont need the body of a wild predator anymore because our tools have made it easier for us.I believe too easy.Yes humans
sweetsipsy 3 weeks ago
have been cruel & are cruel.However, nature too is cruel.Wild dogs start eating their catch before it dies.Male lions kill the cubs of the previous ruler, when they take over the pride. Bears will kill the cubs too. Killer whales play with their food. Certain ants farm aphids. Bees have no will of their own, they are given an assignment & that is what they do for the rest of their life. Animals also have developed tools or use tools themselves.Apes use sticks to crush nuts & twigs
sweetsipsy 3 weeks ago
to probe for insects. Certain birds too.Dolphins developed sonar & Bats radar.Wolves & bears developed an incredible sense of smell & hawks and eagles their eye sight.They developed these things to be more efficient hunters just like our development of tools.Tools are an extension of the body.There are sentries of recorded history, were people have fought back with nothing but their determination, brains and physical body.Do you have kids? Wouldn’t you
sweetsipsy 3 weeks ago
fight back, even if you had no formidable weapon? I would! And that doesn’t make me some sort of Hotshot, as you said. I would give my life to protect my daughter.
sweetsipsy 3 weeks ago
@sweetsipsy i'm 17, and unlike some girls my age i have no kids and have no plans to have kids. you have a point, but nothing about mustang blm roundups is natural or humane.
painthorselover101 3 weeks ago
@painthorselover101 I think it's good you are passionate about something. Maybe you will be an advocate for change. I was like you in, at your age, in the way that I had no plans for kids. However years later I got one and she makes my world go around. Well her and my animals. Love them all. I can't imagine living a life without them in it. Go do great things painthorselover!
sweetsipsy 3 weeks ago
This clip stirs a lot of dialog, this is good. I repeat what I said earlier: I am not saying this film shows abuse & I'm not saying we should never round up wild horses. T point is there are NO LEGAL LIMITS how far or fast they can drive the wild horses. Babies are left behind daily. Traumatic. Not all are found. Some suffer terrible hoof and leg injuries. BLM & contractors need limits. They do not police themselves and round up in extreme temps, drive too far. This shouldn't have happened.
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
Everyone thinks they're being nice because they're being filmed. Some people have hearts and those videos about the roundups have people thinking that all the horses are terribley "abused". Sure, some are hurt. BUt without these roundups, the Western U.S. would be overrun with wild horses. These are essential to mantaining wild horse populations. Unless you want the horses to be shot instead, this is the most humane method to controlling the population and they often go to good homes.
kkpanda13 1 month ago
1st of all its better that they get the colt instead of leaving it in the wild alone2nd they have to get the colt back to the heard how else are you goin to move it? it kicks the rope bc it dnt know what it is nt bc there hurtin it3rd this world is gettin very populated with people and buildings there is very few roaming places for these animals so instead of just killing them they are using them for something 5th horses are ANIMALS not human beings! they were put here by God to serve a purpose
1029daisy 1 month ago
lol they aren't hurting this little guy at all. He's just never been handles. They aren't dragging him along by his neck,all baby horses learn to walk with a rope behind their butt. Or under their tail. It just lets them know to walk forward. Its not in any way hurting him
KCC62BRx 1 month ago
@KCC62BRx Id like to see how much youd appreciate having that rope between your bare legs being forced to walk over rough ground when you are so exhausted - where is your compassion! Weaning should never be done like this and this is a wild animal not used to people, and traumatized from being separated from its mom and herd. I'd Never let you around my horses or my kids with that attitude -thats cold.
bhamblin1 1 month ago
@KCC62BRx couldn't agree with you more!
1029daisy 1 month ago
Imagine how nice this colt is going to be for someone to train now. Those guys that brought him in did a nice job of it.
sweetsipsy 1 month ago
@sweetsipsy Yep, I can just see someone tryng to get near his(or her) rump to brush or treat any future injury - fun - hope it isnt anyone you know cuz they may end up with a broken arm from him kicking the person that tries to get near their tail. Greaaaat training methods, yea.
bhamblin1 1 month ago
@bhamblin1 You must work with horses different from the way I do. I use ropes all the time, to teach them to give to pressure, decensitize, and learn restraint. Nothing worse than seeing a horse riped up from getting tangled in wire. The men were not abusive with the rope and only added pressure in order to ask him to walk forward again. I'm sure your methods works well for you and your style of training. Have you ever watched a good horseman work a wid horse with a lariet?
sweetsipsy 1 month ago
freedom of wild horses must we seperate something from this it not natural enough it take us human farther farther from natural life ... money is nothing life is important respecting wild horses this little foal is lost it give you no feeling it cold when it seperate something that does not belong to you u stole the natural beauty mother n her foal belong in the wild together! free n beauty n bond of nature natural love running free peaceful ... this picture tell us alot knowing you stole
Rockonchick2 1 month ago
not right it still inhuman to know humancan not just allow this like a mare n it baby need to understand the bond why human do this ask yaself what real n honest n love that pull us farther away make no sense....
Rockonchick2 1 month ago
So they just left the poor things in the pen all by themselves??? How awful!!! :((( </3
LopeForestLope 1 month ago
what do they do to the wild horses they trap
turtlelover600 2 months ago
@turtlelover600 some are, sadly, sold to slaughter houses. Most of them go that way. If some are lucky they go to a rescue and live out their lives. Some people buy them at auction also.
TrivioLove 1 month ago
Great job you do giving all that time and attention. I am a horse lover and owner and glad not be be in or from USA. The problem is always the same, there is space, money and time to do it all properly yet the interests of the most powerful will always surface. Cattle tycoons push for control of your public land and get it, why? Money calls money and power calls power. Yet every single action you take will always generate SOMETHING positive for your horses, keep spirits high and good luck.
akanewe 2 months ago
@akanewe Not sure why you mentioned the USA part, because abuse exists in some form in Every country. Animal abuse has no borders. And I agree, this problem exists here because of the greed of cattle barons wanting the land for their cattle and want the horses gone. Some are killed outright from injuries in the roundup and put in burial pits to hide it, some go to slaughter, some starve while wanting to be adopted from the blm, some die in those trailers on the way to auction....
bhamblin1 1 month ago
@bhamblin1 Damn right it does and in some places much worse than others. I maintain what I said cos I'm pinning that particular BLM problem to the USA, the vid is from there and that particular problem of wild horse destruction is there. Other abuses on animals elsewhere are just as denounceable of course.Yet the wild horse "problem" in England (New Forest), Wales, Lesotho, Mongolia or Russia is in itself different(never excusing abuse of course). That's why I mentioned the USA thing.
akanewe 1 month ago
WELL THEY COULD HAVE LEFT HIM THERE TO DIE..BUT THIS IS CRUEL
Busnet100 2 months ago
This is so stupid. Look at the alternative: "protect" these horses till they have over-populated the little bit of conserved land they're given, till they're forced to start showing up in peoples' backyards and personal livestock fields where they will likely be shot as pests? Stop making something out of nothing.
CherokeeCheval 2 months ago
@CherokeeCheval Humans think they know whats best for every other species. They were here before us. And they wont be in back yards if they had more land. No offence intended.
TrivioLove 1 month ago
What happened to the mom!??
BreyerGurl09 2 months ago
I am not trying to discount anyone or argue with anyone either. But in this video I do not see the wrong. The fact that these men go out and get the stranded foals is a good thing right? And the rope under the tail, I have used that trick with many foals that have been born at the ranch i work at when we need to inspect them. It doesn't hurt them. A horses tail is used to stop a sleigh/carriage that it is pulling so it is very strong. So a rope underneath it does not hurt a horse.
AmayazingTimes 2 months ago
That colt is big enough to be weaned and thus big enough to not need its mother
PiggyDog89 2 months ago
@PiggyDog89 Your comment, though factually accurate, in no way justifies this massive, unnecessary roundup, nor does it justify treating wild horses in this manner. It's like saying, God forbid, if a 13-year-old's parents were killed in an accident, "Well, she's old enough to cook for herself." Horses aren't people, but can you see how your comment fails to address the total devastation and trauma of the roundup and its repercussions.
HumaneObserver 2 months ago 6
So sad, that poor foal, obviously exhausted. Thank you for doing this heartbreaking work.
AnimalLeftist 2 months ago
Oh christ that baby will be fine. He will find his mom when they get him to the trap pen.
LittlePOPLolli 3 months ago
@LittlePOPLolli You miss the point. First of all, we don't know if he will be fine. Adrenalin masks many injuries till the following days. But the point is he fell behind because the horses are driven too long, too far. How many are left behind that we don't see? Why does BLM refuse to put mounted video on helicopter if everything is so nice and controlled? Technology is available, not expensive. They refuse to limit distance driven & always leave it up to profit-driven pilots. Not ok.
HumaneObserver 3 months ago
@LittlePOPLolli Another point, "Christ" is not a swear word. And neither is swearing is not ok if you want to comment.
Please understand that babies have soft hooves, and Twin Peaks (and Calico in Nevada, and many other home ranges of wild horses) are comprised of lava rock, very hard rock. Their hooves literally wear off, causing lameness, excruciating pain, even death. Do you follow up? We see and film lame babies regularly. I hate doing this work, but someone has to expose the wrong.
HumaneObserver 3 months ago
@HumaneObserver Babies hooves harden pretty quick and its not like the are pushing him. They are going at his pace not theirs. Would you prefer they leave him out there to die rather then getting him back to the herd so he can find him mom?
Rose2Mystic 1 month ago
@Rose2Mystic From what I saw he stumbled into the grey a few times from exhaustion. As far as not pushing him, What The HECK do you think they were doing to round up the herd that he couldnt keep up with in the first place!!!!!!! And when they got him in the pen where did they leave his mother? NOT with him.
bhamblin1 1 month ago
@bhamblin1 Does this video focus on the round up? No it is focused on the foal after the round up so that is were my comment lies on not pushing him. They are guiding him to move forward here. Yes he bumped into the gray and I agree it is from being pushed during the round up. And hoe do you know his mother is not shut up front with the others. I suppose you would prefer they left him alone to fend for himself thinking his mom is still out loose somewhere.
Rose2Mystic 1 month ago
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If you have ever trained a foal or horse that doesn't lead you use a butt rope to encourage them to move forward. They are not being mean to the foal at all. The foal is not fighting or getting worked up. Would you prefer they put a rope on its face or neck and drag it cause its scared???
Rose2Mystic 3 months ago
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Rose2Mystic 3 months ago
Um, it's called have a little respect for the animals who carried us through battle, discovering new lands, etc etc for countless years. We should be GIVING BACK to them. Instead, we're just using them more and more.
hansberrylovesyoux3 3 months ago
@thetachi191 We name individual horses because they are all individuals. Naming an animal helps others recognize that animal's value as an individual. Helps us remember them, A roundup contractor once told me, "We don't even name our own horses." That tells me something about a person.You have a name; you are not just a number. I will delete your comment soon; BLM's treatment of the horses is obscenity enough for me. Please lose the obscenity and you are welcome to voice your opinion.
HumaneObserver 4 months ago
So sad..he looks like a prisoner headed to death row
chihuahuababy37 4 months ago
Get over yourselves, these guys had a job to do, and look, they even gently rounded up the stranded babies and you people are angry?! Then you accuse them of only being nice because they're on camera? You all have a brain between your ears, use them before you start being a part of the problem instead of the solutions. Being mad that these guys did this is like being mad that someone stopped traffic to help a mother duck and her babies cross a road.
ceh43528 5 months ago
@ceh43528 Of course t's good to get the babies rather than the alternative. The point is the entire roundup is an unnecessary, grueling process, and these horses should have been left alone. This is a legal Herd Management Area where the spirit and intent of the 1971 Act states the wild horses & burros should be the principle though not necessariy exclusive presence, yet BLM plans for livestock to outnumber horses & burros by 4 to 1, sometimes 21 to 1.
HumaneObserver 5 months ago
@ceh43528 @ceh43528 Your comment reminds me of this: Look how lovingly that man bandages his wife's wounds after he beats her. This roundup never should have happened. California lost over half her remaining wild horses with this Twin Peaks roundup from a lush range where water is plentiful, no starving horses, no starving livestock.
HumaneObserver 5 months ago
@ceh43528 Oh shut the fuck up, the whole round-up is inhumane and unnecessary. They say it is because of population control and the fact that the horses are starving to death, when they are starving because all of their resources are being taken away from them to be used to cattle land. So why don't YOU use that thing in between your ears and find a different topic on a different video if you want to pick a fight. Because trust me honey, I always win. Have a great day, you heartless bastard.
hansberrylovesyoux3 3 months ago
Why did they take the mom away??!! oh my goodness...I don't think I've ever been so angry before.
emoheartsJR 5 months ago
@emoheartsJR The mother was rounded up, chased by the helicopter into the trap along with the whole family band. As often happens — daily, usually — this youngster was left behind because he/she couldn't keep up. He will not see her again unless it's thru a fence since he is old enough to wean.
HumaneObserver 5 months ago
@HumaneObserver This is so sickening...it's just horrible
emoheartsJR 5 months ago
@HumaneObserver They didn't take the mom away; baby fell behind when his family was running from the helicopter. He couldn't keep up and was left out there. Terrifying experience for a foal. Sometimes they can't find babies left behind. Young foals should not be subjected to long helicopter chases. But mom is hopefully already in the trap pen. If BLM thinks he still needs to nurse, he'll be put in with the wet mares when they get to the holding facilitiy and hopefully pair back up with her.
HumaneObserver 1 month ago
o are they basically abusing this foal? or are they trying to save it?
KaliAppaloosaBlog 6 months ago
@KaliAppaloosaBlog @KaliAppaloosaBlog It's the circumstance itself that's abusive; it should never have come to this. It is the roundup itself that abuses them. Theyr not injuring him leading him this way but It became obvious as I watched that this foal was weak. Dave Cattoor did not let it stop and rest, I believe because he feared it might collapse. Foals are regularly left behind. BLM refuses to mount video cameras, refuses accountability, refuses to limit the distance horses are driven.
HumaneObserver 3 months ago
@KaliAppaloosaBlog How many are left behind that they don't go back for and/or can't find? There is zero accountability by the pilots. This is wrong. We are wanting mounted video cameras turned on at all times the helicopter is flying, and we want GPS coordinates so we know how long the drives are to the trap pen. BLM refuses to set limits or give this information. What is "transparent" about that?
HumaneObserver 3 months ago
I have been to several round ups, and the babies are simply left behind- Care is not taken to ensure the seperated foals that are recovered survive. They are often left in a pen with zero shade or water for several days...and Ive seen at least one left alone for a week..and it died.
Skippytrucking 8 months ago
The trouble I have with this is it shouldn't have happened at all; bands with such youngsters should be released from the chase. They say they allow moms and foals to "drop out" if foal can't keep up, but 1) they shouldn't be left alone without their band and stallion; 2) That isn't true. Mom often keeps going. Daily there were stranded babies. How many did they leave behind? We need a video camera on the helicopter. No one objects to that but BLM and contractor.
HumaneObserver 11 months ago
That foal is plenty old enough to be without his mother. and butt rope? That's how you teach them to lead. Looks to me like the wranglers were very gentle with him.
xnghpxl 11 months ago 4
And how many are truly lost or injured so that they are not found? If there must be roundups, we need some real parameters set up. Right now there are none, just the pilot's judgement, just contractors paid by the horse. In Antelope every horse is wearing a $350 tag. The pay arrangement needs restructuring. Every time one goes in the trap, Ching! Rack up another $350. This needs to change.
HumaneObserver 1 year ago
The foals are usually reunited with their mothers at the temporary holding facility. They keep them separate from the adult horses to protect them from injury during transport. I don't believe these wranglers would have intentionally left the foal out there if I wasn't there. My concern is that babies should not be getting left behind at all. If a band has foals that can't keep up, leave the band alone.
HumaneObserver 1 year ago
You yuppie, tree huggin hippies don't have a damn clue what goes on out there and why these people do what they do, go put on your burkenstocks and feed you cats and shut the hell up
Jbheelers 1 year ago
Don't waste your time calling President Obummer to save your nationally owned wild treasured Mustangs that have occupied American soil almost twice as long as Americans. Your sitting President refuses to even provide any evidence that he is qualified to serve and actively supports surrendering taxing jurisdiction over American's to the U.N. Do you really think he gives a damn about some horses that Speaker Harry Reid thinks should be slaughtered, sent for meat consumptions by humans?
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site4pets 1 year ago
I guarantee that the only reason these guys saved this foal and took it pretty easy bringing it in is because they knew they were being filmed. That foal can probably thank you for being alive right now- if it still is.
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