it is no doubt anymore that this is the shroud of Jesus with all evidence of suffering - however, the consequence is to forgive and love even enemies and those *who do not know better* as Jesus did on the cross because love and life will succeed in the end - and not to suppress and create hatred as often is done with religion (see the dark ages burning witches etc)
ON MY Channel See The New Evidence Of The Shroud Of Jesus Christ Videos. The Science Proves That Jesus Christ Existed, was Crucified and Resurrected exactly as written Down 2000 years ago,
@FierceEyedTiger Even if one could as yet clone people, the strains of DNA in the blood are now too fragmentary and decayed to establish a full DNA picture. All one can say is that the blood is human, male, and belongs to a blood group common in the Middle East.
The Forensic pathalogist says that the Person on the shroud is a caucasian male. Idk if thats consistent with History since Jesus was an Isrealite and would have been theorhetically middle eastern. Unless Mary was European?. Im unclear about that, but I like this video, however it is biased. They make a big deal about how fake the carbon dating couldve been, but they couldve examined one of the strips from the repairs that have been done to it for presentation.
@8Thirst No, there are basically only three races in the area. Negroid, mongoloid and Caucasian. Racial Jews belonged to the Caucasian group. Don't confuse that group with Aryans.
Not only does the shroud have a 3D image, which shows it not to be a painting, Dr Fred Zugbie has done new tests, the vanillin tests show the cloth to be 1st century & also of medieval repair cloth. The image itself is real human blood & Zugbie has described the wounding to the victim the exact same as scripture accounts of the Crucifiction & wounding of 1 man in history ' Jesus Christ '. Zugbie has found the man died as a result of crucifiction, wounds to head & back occured in life.
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The Shroud is dated to the 15th century and the supposed claims that the c14 dating was made ineffective due to the 1532 Chambery fire has been shown to be bunk.
Red ochre and vermilion were found on the shroud, pigments used in 14th century art and there is no historical records of it prior to the 14th century.
The "Blood" was identified on tape that was used to lift fibers from the shroud, not the shroud itself. Dried blood stains are Black. The shrouds stains are red.
There are several lines of argument against a 14th century "forgery".There is no cementation,brushstrokes,wicking,directionality,or paint on the body or blood image. The blood was proved to be real human blood by Dr.Alan Adler and Vern Miller, which was peer reviewed and agreed upon by most of the STURP team even given Walter McCrones objections.The blood soaks through the cloth and is a positive image--body image of the man on the cloth is supperficial and does not soak through and is negative.
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Apply the Ochre to the body and apply the linen to the body then you dont need a brush (thats simple deductive reasoning and experiments have been done to show this can easily be accomplished using 14th century technology). A forgery of the Shroud can easily be made with a fresh corpse and chemicals common to the 14th century. I already mentioned the orgins of the blood.
one problem with your theory ..how do you get the pigment layer even and thin enough both ? your method won't work..you would have clumping problems from a fresh corpse...they excrete fluids for a period of time and the body swells up dramatically within a short period of time after death if no freezing method is readily available .
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Much of the work you are referring too came from the Shroud of Turin Research Project (1981) where they admitted that the origins of the Shroud are a mystery. Saying that is miraculous in nature is no more than assuming and declaring it came from a specific person is projection. IF we ASSUME it is a 1st century relic (and the evidence shows it is not) there were a lot of people crucified at that time. You are no closer to the answer of who is the body in the shroud.
There is no test for Christness. Yes I agree. But, the evidence exists that the full length shroud of Turin existed in Serbia as there is a copy extant from the 13th century, and the Hungarian prayer manuscript dating from A.D. 1190s. You cannot have a copy of the original unless the original is actual the type from which the copies are derived. Historical records from Constantinople speak of an image "not made with human hands" being inventoried and displayed for various feast days.
Keep digging for the truth and you will find that there is no way even with modern technology to re-create the shroud at the microscopic level, with the encoded 3-d information,the forshortening, the positive to negative properties that only 19th century photography revealed. There are residues of vermillion on off-image areas of the shroud,as all sindonologists will admit, they don't make up the image of the man or his blood. There were seen specks of paint fall from ceiling frescoes at STURP.
The Hungarian Prayer manuscript artistic rendering of a shroud with distinctively Shroud of Turin identification dating prior to the carbon-dating proves the existence of the shroud many miles and years from the 14th century France.
I think it's legit.
GisherJohn24 3 weeks ago
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it is no doubt anymore that this is the shroud of Jesus with all evidence of suffering - however, the consequence is to forgive and love even enemies and those *who do not know better* as Jesus did on the cross because love and life will succeed in the end - and not to suppress and create hatred as often is done with religion (see the dark ages burning witches etc)
khi590 3 months ago
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God, Our Lord and King Jesus Christ let bless You!!!
It`s the TRUE and everyone should compare that 3d picture(Manoppello) to the 2d. shroud of Turin to be sure not some fictional models!!!
Poor face of God beaten to death for our sins!
How people can say they don`t love Him-they dont have heart?
JezusSlave 1 year ago
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listen2meyou 2 years ago
They have his DNA I bet they clone him or I bet they already have..
FierceEyedTiger 2 years ago
@FierceEyedTiger Even if one could as yet clone people, the strains of DNA in the blood are now too fragmentary and decayed to establish a full DNA picture. All one can say is that the blood is human, male, and belongs to a blood group common in the Middle East.
Porphyrygrampus 10 months ago
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Tokaeldug 2 years ago
The Forensic pathalogist says that the Person on the shroud is a caucasian male. Idk if thats consistent with History since Jesus was an Isrealite and would have been theorhetically middle eastern. Unless Mary was European?. Im unclear about that, but I like this video, however it is biased. They make a big deal about how fake the carbon dating couldve been, but they couldve examined one of the strips from the repairs that have been done to it for presentation.
8Thirst 2 years ago
@8Thirst No, there are basically only three races in the area. Negroid, mongoloid and Caucasian. Racial Jews belonged to the Caucasian group. Don't confuse that group with Aryans.
Porphyrygrampus 10 months ago
Great video!
MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
Not only does the shroud have a 3D image, which shows it not to be a painting, Dr Fred Zugbie has done new tests, the vanillin tests show the cloth to be 1st century & also of medieval repair cloth. The image itself is real human blood & Zugbie has described the wounding to the victim the exact same as scripture accounts of the Crucifiction & wounding of 1 man in history ' Jesus Christ '. Zugbie has found the man died as a result of crucifiction, wounds to head & back occured in life.
shelley0809 2 years ago 5
OK,theres no two ways about it,its real.
macker33 2 years ago 10
It is real. If there was ONE thing from the life of Jesus that you would want to see, what would it be? This is it folks.
jiajr 2 years ago 3
Around 2:39, on the left part of the Shroud, does that not look similat to an image of the Sacred Heart of Jesus?
TrainmasterCurt 2 years ago
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The Shroud is dated to the 15th century and the supposed claims that the c14 dating was made ineffective due to the 1532 Chambery fire has been shown to be bunk.
Red ochre and vermilion were found on the shroud, pigments used in 14th century art and there is no historical records of it prior to the 14th century.
The "Blood" was identified on tape that was used to lift fibers from the shroud, not the shroud itself. Dried blood stains are Black. The shrouds stains are red.
SuperFlyNB 3 years ago
There are several lines of argument against a 14th century "forgery".There is no cementation,brushstrokes,wicking,directionality,or paint on the body or blood image. The blood was proved to be real human blood by Dr.Alan Adler and Vern Miller, which was peer reviewed and agreed upon by most of the STURP team even given Walter McCrones objections.The blood soaks through the cloth and is a positive image--body image of the man on the cloth is supperficial and does not soak through and is negative.
dingorex 3 years ago 4
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Apply the Ochre to the body and apply the linen to the body then you dont need a brush (thats simple deductive reasoning and experiments have been done to show this can easily be accomplished using 14th century technology). A forgery of the Shroud can easily be made with a fresh corpse and chemicals common to the 14th century. I already mentioned the orgins of the blood.
SuperFlyNB 3 years ago
one problem with your theory ..how do you get the pigment layer even and thin enough both ? your method won't work..you would have clumping problems from a fresh corpse...they excrete fluids for a period of time and the body swells up dramatically within a short period of time after death if no freezing method is readily available .
draconusrex33 2 years ago
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Much of the work you are referring too came from the Shroud of Turin Research Project (1981) where they admitted that the origins of the Shroud are a mystery. Saying that is miraculous in nature is no more than assuming and declaring it came from a specific person is projection. IF we ASSUME it is a 1st century relic (and the evidence shows it is not) there were a lot of people crucified at that time. You are no closer to the answer of who is the body in the shroud.
SuperFlyNB 3 years ago
There is no test for Christness. Yes I agree. But, the evidence exists that the full length shroud of Turin existed in Serbia as there is a copy extant from the 13th century, and the Hungarian prayer manuscript dating from A.D. 1190s. You cannot have a copy of the original unless the original is actual the type from which the copies are derived. Historical records from Constantinople speak of an image "not made with human hands" being inventoried and displayed for various feast days.
dingorex 3 years ago 8
Keep digging for the truth and you will find that there is no way even with modern technology to re-create the shroud at the microscopic level, with the encoded 3-d information,the forshortening, the positive to negative properties that only 19th century photography revealed. There are residues of vermillion on off-image areas of the shroud,as all sindonologists will admit, they don't make up the image of the man or his blood. There were seen specks of paint fall from ceiling frescoes at STURP.
dingorex 3 years ago 2
No one can be forced into Heaven. The reprobate mind at enmity with God will always will against His Will.
dingorex 3 years ago 3
what doesthis have to do with the shroud
SuperFlyNB 3 years ago
The Hungarian Prayer manuscript artistic rendering of a shroud with distinctively Shroud of Turin identification dating prior to the carbon-dating proves the existence of the shroud many miles and years from the 14th century France.
dingorex 3 years ago