This isnt a normal crash site dumbass its also a murder scene! And a terrorist investigation..... Why would anything be considered normal. Nothing at this site can be compared to any of your posted photos in the pic.
Thank you, Killtown, great insights as always. You are a hero to many in the quest for truth!
As far as a plane crashing - that gash has been seen in google earth pictures before 9/11.
The lady driving the van said it was a small ground-hugging drone-like thing that flew over her van, under some power lines, then up over a line of trees just across the road.
As for flight 93, it landed at Cleveland Airport, and people were told to go into the nearby NASA building. ...
@Research0digo These might not have been the actual passengers, as that NASA building allows only high clearance people in it. The actual passengers may have been forced to disembark in the little airfield in New Your State. I forget the name of the former base right now, sorry. Research the Northwoods Document please. Other professional airline pilots saw Flt 93 still in use after 9/11, too.
@Tidiouter not saying your statement doesn't propose legitimate significance but theres a lot of ways of disposing of a body ex: fire. so i believe this question(since i see it everywhere) is of little value at all.
Oh My God. Dont vary from the script or you are staging it. when the flight recorder was taken out of the crater did whomever picked it up use the correct hand? was the recorder carried in the proper manner? God forbid if you carried it in the wrong hand or stumbled when you had it in your hands (you did use two hands right) that is not the way you are supposed to carry the thing so obviously it was planted. How could you fook the American people by photographing it while it was in the hole?
am i wrong in thinking that a whole plane cannot just disappear into the ground leaving no evidence on the surface, or am i just being stupid and this is a common occurrence? i have a real problem with a hollow aluminum tube burrowing under the ground like a mole. please someone show me the way......
LOL! Really.. This is evidence of an inside job? Get real. Fucking idiots. Black boxes are different from plane to plane. The Boeing 757-222 that was United 93 was built in 1995 and delivered to United Airlines on June 28th 1996. The black boxes on airliners changed nearly every decade. They weren't changed to the modern style rectangular box shape until 1999. So obviously a plane made in 1995 is going to look different. Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to figure this shit out.
- there are two sets of planes....the ones with real people on are being hijacked, led out to sea and then destroyed. Next there are remote controlled planes on a computer programmed course to hit their targets in NY. Then there is the guided missiles that do the damage on the Pentagon and fly over Shanksville.
This is why there was so much confusion. The FA saw the planes heading out to sea and were told to withdraw. These targets were then disguised as NORAD manoeuvres
I see your points, video creator. But there are just too many variable factors to say whether this is significance evidence of anything or not. It is slightly suspicious though. I mean, what kind of official would be standing around the crater waiting for the recorder to found? An FBI agent? Or would the FBI be waiting for the clean up team to call them when they found it? Maybe they had time on their hands while waiting for the relevant person to arrive at the scene to then take it away.
@GregOBehave I wouldn't necessarily find a Fed nearby waiting for them to find the BB's, but if they were so anxious to find the BB's, why would they hault everything to send a photographer down in the hole, stepping on passenger remains, to photograph it if they were in such a hurry to find them and send them to the NTSB? There's really no reason to even photograph the BB's, unless to try to "prove" a plane crashed there and why would they have to try to prove that if that's what happened?
@WelcomeToKilltown - Yep, nothing is adding up really. all the different videos I've seen and I'm still none the wiser as to what happened. I'm still very suspicious. Your points are just more to add to the pile of suspicious circumstances. Well pointed out. The one that really gets me is the woman witness that says she saw a much smaller plane fly over her van and then suddenly the puff of smoke rises from behind the trees. The FBI told her she didn't know what she saw. Sus!
he wasn't stepping in bodies, the plane was meant to go a long distance (from Maine to Boston) so all of the gas in the tank would have completely disintegrated
Is that a BRICK? (lower left corner, propping the recorder up) Sure looks like a brick. Question is why is there a brick in the crater, I did not know flight 93 hit a structure. The brick even looks unscathed.
Wow, you theory has no proof to back it up that I can find. Like most crime scene photo's are taken where they find the evidence. I would think they do the same, and who is to say someone jumped in the hole to take the photo, have you ever herd of this new thing on camera's, its called a zoom lens. Video is garbage....
@pitt15220 Only one photo of the recovery makes it suspicious in itself. And that's not what happened with all the other evidence. Many things were discovered either in the crater or in the nearby woods, but these things were not photographed in their original locations.
The photograph was obviously taken by a telephoto lens from WAY away... NOT "inside the crater"... and it was not "propped up"... turn your camera to "level" the picture.
I have to ask: what's the point of this video? OMG, they climbed down into the hole because they saw something and weren't sure what it was, straightened it, verified and snapped a quick pic when they saw what it was before clambering back up out of the hole with it. Big deal. Please don't paint all liberals as Truthers. I'm a total bleeding heart, and this stuff is hokum!
@unicornbeck Why did they need to jump in the hole when they where digging everything out like they apparently did with the other alleged black box? Your theory makes absolutely no logical sense.
For all those who believe that this was an "inside" job. Am I to believe that you all are the SAME people who said the President was too stupid to run the country? Yet you try to justify that he was such a genius to devise 3 planes crashing in 3 different locations? If you want to say this was planned by our government...give credible facts...find the people who lost their lives in these planes...walking and talking...you find them..then I might just find this conspiracy theory credible.
@aranette Who said we think Bush was the mastermind? We think he was sent to his Brother's state Florida to keep him out of the way because he's a bumbling idiot. Now VP Cheney, who was a former Sect of Defense and then current Sect of Defense, Rumsfeld, who was also a former SoD (and the ONLY 2 time SoD in US history) would be candidates for mastermind.
@aranette I'm pretty sure whoever was responsible for those demolitions inside the towers(and tower 7), the missle strikes on the pentagon, and shooting down 93 are WAY above any president's pay grade. Look up the secret committees and other oversight groups that have way more power than the president. Bush was just the retarded puppet, as is every other United States President.
You should also watch "Loose Change: An American Coup". All I got is two words for you... Nano-thermite.
dude there are people above the president WHO CONTROL HIM AND BUSH ISNT THAT SMART TO KNOCK TO PLAN ALL THIS BY HIMSELF. U HAVE TO TRHINK FORYOURSELF AND DO SOME RESEARCH TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT MAN.
@lumpheadthump I agree this video is pretty ridiculous, but you should check out "Loose Change: An American Coup". You might be blown away by the facts and evidence that has been pushed away for so long. 10 years ago I would have never thought it could have been anything but Osama and 19 hijackers....but a lot of research and having an open mind changed a lot of what I believe. Even if you don't find it to be your cup of tea, it is something I think everyone should watch.
@Vabizzle7 I've watched enough Loose Change to know that their theories are full of misconceptions half truths, distortions and outright lies. There's a lot of reliance on fake experts etc. that pretty much discredits their views.
I don't know whether it was an 'inside job' or not,and to be honest, I don't think anyone will ever know, the simple fact is whether it was a conspiracy or not, people died that day, it happened, and theres nothing anyone can do about it. So how about we think about the thousands of people that died and remember them, and how terrified they must have been, instead of trying to 'prove' that it was all a big conspiracy, even if it was, people still lost their lives
that was a lie the whole thing,,that flight never crashed there at all, you want to believe this bull ,,go right ahead and decieve yourself, exactly what they expect..if i had a large jet i could trash i could prove its a lie, no way do engines vaporize, no large wreakage it all just disappeared?lies
The unsolved crime was the terrorist acts. You're showing a bunch of pictures from flight recorders that were assumed to be accidents, not criminal investigations. I love how you say it's unprecedented blah blah as if you're an expert on flight recorder recovery because you googled some pictures. You're a horrible person, because you're making a mockery out of an event in which thousands of innocent people lost their lives. Terrible video and person who made it. 911 happened get over yourself
People died a needless death at the hands of terrorists and you are up here playing conspiracy theorist. What a disgrace. And to think I share the same American soil with you. Pitiful. Outrageous. Cowardly.
that alaska flight 261 ? all the heavey parts sank and all the little light parts floated!duuhhhhhh.i saw that on the news.give me a break, if you know what your talking about>? this crash site was a set up like that vitnam bombing of that city over there.stagged fot the public and tv grews.lets try to focus on the real threat ok''!!
thats funny becuase i saw on the news that flight 93s black box was never recovered and that it was not even soposed to leave the hanger that dat nevermind fly . and its a bit of a coincidence that usa biggist disatser happened on the same day and month of thwere emergency service number the goverment are corropt as fuck garunteed it was bush m8
The explanation is a simple one. This was assumed to be a terrorist act. The crash site is therefore categorized as a potential crime scene and is treated accordingly. Things are photographed and tagged where they are, in order to preserve evidentiary integrity.
@WelcomeToKilltown I honestly don't know the details of the Shanksville investigation, but I was simply saying that the handling of this situation might have been different than other crashes because of the circumstances surrounding it.
@unklewink That's not what happened with all the other evidence, like the red bandana, the passports, the driver's licenses, etc. Those were not photographed at their original location. We only have photographs of them in plastic bags.
@Simboiss Well, again, I can only speculate as we all are. I wasn't there and don't have all the facts. The selective things we are allowed to see at a distance might not paint a truly accurate picture. I try not to trim puzzle pieces with the scissors of imagination when they don't fit.
@unklewink if it was treated as a crime scene like you say, why did they remove the steel and melt it down before any independent investigation could be done?
@greatgatsb9o921o Well, once again, Great, I really don't know. I wasn't there and obviously not involved in anything pertaining to it. I am only running on what information and puzzle pieces come down the pike like everybody else. Things might have been handled strangely or even sloppily because of the world attention put in the incident and the numerous agencies competing for control of the whole mess. I work in government and I've experienced the latter case many times.
when a plane hits the ground, there is almost nothing recognizable. i saw USAir flight 427 crash in 1994. it wasnt going nearly as fast and even in this case there was nearly nothing left of the people or plane. to say it was a dummy plane is absurd. when a body inside hits with that force, it disolves. the body isnt meant to withstand that kind of impact. in the case of 427, body parts, rather pieces of flesh, were found a mile away in trees. if you havent seen it before, its hard to comprehend
And if there 'were no bodies' and this was a dummy plane. I guess you can tell the relatives of those who were called by their husbands/wives/daughters/sons, saying 'We are on United 93, we have been hijacked' that actually there loved ones have just dissappeared and it was all fake.
It annoys me to high heaven when stupid nobodys, make up stupid little theories, that have absolutley zero evidence behind then. TELL ME. If this was all some huge set up by america, then why would they kill thousands of there own people?
If United 93 didn't land in shanksville, then why were there bodies found? Why did they make phonecalls to their families?
conspiracy theories are nothing but theories, not fact. there have been been bombings here in london (and i REFUSE to believe my government killed the people in 7/7, that would a MASSIVE disgrace), russia, spain and other countries, NOT just america. wake up people.
You keep saying this is what a NORMAL scene was like but 911 wasnt a normal day..especially after 4 plane crashes. I lost friends on 911 so dont give me any of your conspiracy garbage. People like you are sick and need help.
that doesn't look like aluminum parts of a plane that looks like steel beams with rivets I believe planes are made out of aluminum and titanium...is this the type of recorders that were used in those Boeing planes ? I see there are several types used
The box is located at the tail-end of the aircraft, the safest place on any aircraft including helicopters. If the plane crashed, it has to be nose in first which means you have to go thru body parts before finding the flight recorder. This wasn't the case here. Where are the cable connectors even if the wires are ripped off? There are no burnt marks in the surrounding areas. This is highly suspicious of foul play.
1) Photographed because it was evidence. 2) Had to climb into the impact crater because that is where the recorder was located. 3) How do you know it was placed on a piece of wreckage and so what if it was? The recorder was very important to the investigation. This crash site was a crime scene, so thousands of photos were taken as items were recovered.
@canyonair 1) Evidence to prove what? A plane crashed?! 2) Then why didn't they do that with the other one that was "found" 25ft down, but obviously photographed lying on the ground? 3) Why the need to level it for the shot? And why go way out of their way, slowing up the excavation, and stepping on passenger remains to jump in the hole to photograph something unimportant?
@WelcomeToKilltown Like I said you are looking at one of thousands of photos taken at the crash site. You didn't see a photo of the other recorder recovered? Go to work for the FBI and you might have access to all the photos. When a plane crashes human remains are everywhere and they do get stepped on during the course of the investigation although not intentionally. You keep saying the recorder is unimportant. Why is that? So why do you think the photo was staged?
@canyonair Only a couple of dozen photos were taken and released. There is a photo of the other black box that on the ground. That one was supposed found 25ft underground. Why wasn't that one photographed in the hole too? Wally Miller never saw a drop of blood at the scene. I'm saying it's unimportant to go to the lengths they apparently did to photograph it still down in the hole. Why didn't they wait until the brought it up like they did the other black box?
@WelcomeToKilltown Only a couple dozen photos taken? No way. Maybe couple dozen released and that would be generous. Again the sequence of photos matter little as the only ones that you see are the ones that were released. It was a crime scene and not an accident. The media was not allowed on site so the photos are going to be different. I don't know who Wally Miller is, but anybody that has never seen a high speed impact and walks up to one, probably wouldn't even know what they were seeing.
@canyonair That's what I meant, released. So what if it was a crime scene? What was so important that they needed any photographs of the scene? What was the unsolved crime they needed photographs to help prove? Some govt photographs don't really show squat.
Wally Miller is the county coroner who the FBI hired to work the scene. He's an expert who said how "eerie" it was that he never saw a "drop of blood."
@WelcomeToKilltown All crime scenes are photographed. One of this magnitude was photographed extensively, but you will never see all the photographs. I am sure Mr. Miller saw human remains, but the small county coroner was probably overshadowed at the scene by the many federal and state forensic experts that flooded the crash site during the investigation.
@canyonair Why the need for the extensive photographing? What was the unsolved crime there? Why would it matter if they didn't photograph the black boxes at all? What were they doing, trying to prove a plane crashed there?!
There is nothing wrong with the photo. That is the Flight Recorder. The other photos you show of recorders being carried from crash sites are taken by the PRESS needing a photo for the media. This photo was taken by investigators (no glamor). Stop trying to create conspiracies out of something you know nothing about.
@canyonair Why did the investigators even need to take a picture of it? And why jump down in the hole and put it on the metal piece to level it for the shot?!! Seems like they went waaaaaaay out of their way to take a non-important photo.
@WelcomeToKilltown 1) Photographed because it was evidence. 2) Had to climb into the impact crater because that is where the recorder was located. 3) How do you know it was placed on a piece of wreckage and so what if it was? The recorder was very important to the investigation. This crash site was a crime scene, so thousands of photos were taken as items were recovered.
@WelcomeToKilltown 1) Photographed because it was evidence. 2) Had to climb into the impact crater because that is where the recorder was located. 3) How do you know it was placed on a piece of wreckage and so what if it was? The recorder was very important to the investigation. This crash site was a crime scene, so thousands of photos were taken as items were recovered.
@ChristianHolloway7 Perfect comment. I've been to the Shanksville site, it's about 65 miles from where is live. They are building a big memorial there now. We talked to several people that lived around there, one guy said the plane went right over his head before it crashed. The local news showed people that night running into town saying "there's body parts hanging in the trees". It's pretty clear what happened there. Rest in Peace to the victims.
@clintonearlwalker actually no one saw the plane crash. a woman saw a drone fly over her head and it crashed behind the trees. flight 93 did not go down there.
@ChristianHolloway7 Actually, the guy I talked to said the plane when right over his head before it crashed. I've been there bub, the hole in the ground is still there. I have pics saved on my computer of the makeshift memorial that I took, with fireman uniforms, pics of the dead, and other artifacts, some is still there. Don't try to tell me what happened there bub, I have eyes, and I'm not stupid.
@WelcomeToKilltown The small metal building we were standing near was I'd guess about 3/4 of a mile from the crash site. A small American flag marks the spot. I didn't ask his name. They've changed the roads around there as they are building a memorial. We got lost trying to find it, a talked to another guy that lives about 2 miles away, he said he heard the plane crash also. Everyone around there remembers it.
@WelcomeToKilltown No, he said he heard a roaring noise and he was afraid it was going to hit him as it was very low. We were beside a small metal building with trees behind it in the direction the plane approached. He prolly couldn't have seen the plane till the last second, and he was prolly ducking by then. He didn't say anything about the attitude of the airplane, I don't think he noticed, or at least he didn't mention it.
@billnipp What in the hell are u talking about bub? I've stood right at the crash site in Shanksville Pa, I have pics of the place saved on my computer. What happened there is available from at least 50 different sources that all say exactly the same thing. I don't know what "truth" u are looking for bub, but it's been there all along.
@ChristianHolloway7 Fuck u, You stupid asshole shithead. The internet is full of scumbuckets just like you, and u make me sick.
I know exactly what happened in Shanksville as well as the rest of 911. U don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, u just post non sense and insane bullshit on the net to try to get attention. Fuck you asshole.
No plane has ever disintegrated when it has crashed into the ground, whether or not if was hit by a missile as Rumsfeld said. There would be at least a few bodies, luggage that didn't get destroyed... But there is nothing, only a few small pieces of what could possibly be a plane. It would have nose dived the tail section and the back end would have been sticking up right? But there was nothing left... Once again, "PLANES DON'T DISINTEGRATE!"
@TheQueenoftheDead "...It would have nose dived the tail section and the back end would have been sticking up right? But there was nothing left... Once again, "PLANES DON'T DISINTEGRATE!" You have got to kidding! a jet hitting the ground at 580mph upside down at a 40 degree angle and you think the tail section would still be sticking out of the ground? Only in cartoons! too funny!! I guess you do not know the definition of DISINTEGRATE do you?
A lil too much overanalizing, I'm a pilot myself, just cos a plane is huge means nothing, they are far from rigid when being overstressed, quite fragile really. If it neerly nose dived into the ground, there would be nothing there left, bodies? I'm pretty sure they were pureed like mashed potatoes.
@c0string Do you know why almost nothing was left? The official story is that most of the plane BURIED DEEP into the ground and then the "loose ground" fell back in on itself and covered any trace of the 757 supposedly down in the ground and the little debris you see above ground was from the cockpit section. That's the official story. Believable?
@WelcomeToKilltown Official stories have never realistically been acurate, debris from the cockpit, funny if the cockpit penetrated the ground first, wouldnt you think it's the tail section. I've spent years flying for United, actually 18 years now, sometimes we're not sure of what happened on our own flights after NTSB got thrue with us after small incidents, government has always, does and will always hide details. Reality, as for 93, we simply may never know. Plausable that it pured on impact
@c0string There's a simple way to realize that this Shanksville crash was staged, they said most of the plane buried (about 80%). If that happened, there would be tons of evidence proving that tons of debris was being unearthed out of that alleged hole deep in the ground. They had a photographer photographing the excavation for Pete's sake and he/she only managed to photograph ONE piece of debris coming out of the ground (engine piece)?!? Can't get much more obvious than that.
New studies indicate that the plane went all the way through to China and came out in pristine condition evidenced by the fact that not one tiny piece of it has been salvaged from the crash sight. All of the passengers survived but the impact has given them all amnesia and they do not know who they are. China has refused to cooperate.
Real flight recorders are built to take Massive impacts, you wouldnt see one all beat to hell like a sledgehammer, Call for a REAL investigation NOW. As for the photo, one would of course want a faked photo to look GOOD.
its possible they were staged events, i lean slightly to that possibility becoz other things were done that day that are irregular. like both sites are crime scenes and they immediately begin clean up at both sites. smells of masonic cover up. why would they send the wtc steel to china immediately unless there was something to hide, like clean cut steel beams as happens in demolition explosives, and chemical traces of demolitions. heres the report :
thanks for that welcome yeh i recently saw the vdeo where she said it was a uav type drone. but didnt she first say it was an a-10 or did people just misunderstand her inital description? thats where i thought it from her early accounts, im sure she did initally say a-10. though the uav does sound more plausible to me as it could be used and if something went wrong no body wud be found, also u can blow it up and leave little evidence of wot exactly happened.
@mustafababababa Um buddy, no one is saying that block boxes wouldn't be found if a 757 did indeed crash there. The point is that the unusual way and predicament they were photographed is evidence that they were planted and the photographing of them were staged events.
definetly fishy stuff went on that day, creater looks like a trench and big dip dug out, filled with trash and then bombed out, just like one of the investigators said that day, reported by cnn, shown on 9/11 ripple effects video. remember those people who saw an a-10 warthog jet in the area, remember a witness said it flew over some trees, went outta sight and then boom, smoke. think it bombed this trash dump? flight debris covers 8 miles, consistent with midflight explosion. vet heard missiles
@mikefan09 There was no A-10's witnessed at the scene. That's a rumor that got started from bad reporting by the alternative press about Susan McElwain's account. She was later interviewed and explicitly said it was NOT an A-10 or a Lear jet that she saw. (watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ) She says she saw some kind of wingless military missile or UAV and was completely molded.
@cannyx Why would that matter? Officials were telling the public that the plane was hijacked and told us later in the day that the phone calls revealed a "passenger revolt." The only thing you'd possibly want the black boxes for is to see if the passengers broke into the cockpit, or not (and that's assuming the official story is true.)
just saying there are a lot of theories out there about that day & so much of it ridiculous. like if the black boxes weren't photographed like they were in the pics in the vid would people cry foul saying they should have been? like how some people cried foul when the supposed plane remains from the pentagon attack were quickly being cleaned up when, as the "loose change" film stated it was a crime scene and evidence was being moved before any investigation could be done.
@cannyx Cry foul they were moved? Why would anyone cry foul if they were moved?!? The cylinder-shaped black box had obviously been moved and set down on the ground and then photographed. Why did they photograph one after they moved it, and not the other one?
wow, that's an assumption? dude, i'm a firm believe that it was an inside job but you need to do some more research. Like, find some of the people that were excavating the site and ask them where the recorder was photographed.
@WelcomeToKilltown could be, I didn't mean to argue or anything..I was just saying, without a wider view of the picture, all you have is speculation on where it's sitting.
I'm not saying that your conclusions are incorrect, but I don't see how an unprecedented act and circumstantial evidence proves anything. To be honest, you don't know the story behind this photo. You've made up the entire backstory based on one image. There are no statements, no eye-witness accounts - nothing. Just one photo of a flight recorder.
@JebusInVegas Well what's the story then? Don't you agree it looks like someone had jumped into the excavated hole and propped up that recorder for the photo?
@amoylan It's ridiculous you'd think people like us who weren't in on the conspiracy would know. But the evidence speaks for itself, the black boxes were staged. Normal investigators wouldn't risk their safety and slow the excavation by jumping in a hole, supposedly filled with body parts mind you, just to photograph a black box. Game over.
@CptJackAubreyRN Ramsey knows what happened on November 22nd, 1963. This is part of the reason he has been a severe critic of the (secret) government. Watch 1) Confessions of an Economic Hitman 2) Hijacking Catastrophe GO TO: TARPLEY(dot)NET You will find Wes Tarpley's "The Unauthorized Biography of George HW Bush" The book is well researched & documented.
Who says that photo was taken in the hole? Maybe the recorder came out in a bucketload of debris from the digger and then was photographed as soon as it was spotted. However, even if it was in the hole, the photographer could have used a long lens to take the shot. I regularly take shots of the moon with my camera but I don't have to go there to do it because I have a 600mm lens.
So whether it was photographed still in the hole, or after it was dumped on the ground from the backhoe bucket, the recorder just "happened" to land level on that piece of metal debris with its logo conveniently facing the camera? Do you know the odds of that happening?
@WelcomeToKilltown based on the fact that it appears to be roughly cube shaped and have six faces the odds would be 1 in 6. But seeing as the photographer would want to photograph the bit that says "flight recorder" and could presumably move to get the best angle the odds would be more like 50/50 seeing as three sides are visible and three obscured by debris.
you claim that photographing a flight recorder down in a hole after a crash is "UNPRECEDENTED". Can you compare the circumstances of this crash to any other crash in recent history?
@WelcomeToKilltown There was absolutley NO PLANE at the Pentagon. Best guess..it was a missle. A vacant wing of Pentagon at GROUND LEVEL? I mean how stupid do they think people are? All local security recordings immediately confiscated. The truth will leak out. This was an inside job.
loll well if you think that a plane hit the pentagone and two more knocked down two towers well your a fucking idiot and brainwashed by a bunch of idiots..don't forget about tower 7 that fell for nothing..coul'nt get canadiens to believe all the crap related to 911..your governement is the terrorist
@mumbler73 "loll well if you think that a plane hit the pentagone and two more knocked down two towers well your a fucking idiot and brainwashed by a bunch of idiots"
You would be a "Fucking Idiot" to believe that planes didnt bring down those towers and AA 77 didnt crash into the Pentagon
So.....where is your "evidence" that the recorder was staged? You need to remember that there is a big diffrence between evidence and your imagination...
This isnt a normal crash site dumbass its also a murder scene! And a terrorist investigation..... Why would anything be considered normal. Nothing at this site can be compared to any of your posted photos in the pic.
suicideking302 1 month ago
Thank you, Killtown, great insights as always. You are a hero to many in the quest for truth!
As far as a plane crashing - that gash has been seen in google earth pictures before 9/11.
The lady driving the van said it was a small ground-hugging drone-like thing that flew over her van, under some power lines, then up over a line of trees just across the road.
As for flight 93, it landed at Cleveland Airport, and people were told to go into the nearby NASA building. ...
Research0digo 1 month ago
@Research0digo These might not have been the actual passengers, as that NASA building allows only high clearance people in it. The actual passengers may have been forced to disembark in the little airfield in New Your State. I forget the name of the former base right now, sorry. Research the Northwoods Document please. Other professional airline pilots saw Flt 93 still in use after 9/11, too.
Research0digo 1 month ago
the only time wasted was the time you spent making this video....if this was staged...where did the people go?
Tidiouter 2 months ago
@Tidiouter I wasn't involved with the conspiracy, so I don't know.
WelcomeToKilltown 2 months ago
@Tidiouter not saying your statement doesn't propose legitimate significance but theres a lot of ways of disposing of a body ex: fire. so i believe this question(since i see it everywhere) is of little value at all.
JMcMac21 1 month ago
Idiotic theories will only weaken the stronger ones.
Bagelbutcher 2 months ago
Oh My God. Dont vary from the script or you are staging it. when the flight recorder was taken out of the crater did whomever picked it up use the correct hand? was the recorder carried in the proper manner? God forbid if you carried it in the wrong hand or stumbled when you had it in your hands (you did use two hands right) that is not the way you are supposed to carry the thing so obviously it was planted. How could you fook the American people by photographing it while it was in the hole?
sinfullyhandsome 5 months ago
@sinfullyhandsome Why would they photograph it down in the hole, having to step on passenger remains* in the process?
(*According to the official story, they would have.)
WelcomeToKilltown 5 months ago
am i wrong in thinking that a whole plane cannot just disappear into the ground leaving no evidence on the surface, or am i just being stupid and this is a common occurrence? i have a real problem with a hollow aluminum tube burrowing under the ground like a mole. please someone show me the way......
jgig22 5 months ago
obviously false planted evidence like the rest-
terrorist bandana, flight attendants id.
voodoowichdoctor 5 months ago
LOL! Really.. This is evidence of an inside job? Get real. Fucking idiots. Black boxes are different from plane to plane. The Boeing 757-222 that was United 93 was built in 1995 and delivered to United Airlines on June 28th 1996. The black boxes on airliners changed nearly every decade. They weren't changed to the modern style rectangular box shape until 1999. So obviously a plane made in 1995 is going to look different. Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to figure this shit out.
NowKillYourself 5 months ago
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- there are two sets of planes....the ones with real people on are being hijacked, led out to sea and then destroyed. Next there are remote controlled planes on a computer programmed course to hit their targets in NY. Then there is the guided missiles that do the damage on the Pentagon and fly over Shanksville.
This is why there was so much confusion. The FA saw the planes heading out to sea and were told to withdraw. These targets were then disguised as NORAD manoeuvres
TyroneSandalphon 5 months ago
I see your points, video creator. But there are just too many variable factors to say whether this is significance evidence of anything or not. It is slightly suspicious though. I mean, what kind of official would be standing around the crater waiting for the recorder to found? An FBI agent? Or would the FBI be waiting for the clean up team to call them when they found it? Maybe they had time on their hands while waiting for the relevant person to arrive at the scene to then take it away.
GregOBehave 5 months ago
@GregOBehave I wouldn't necessarily find a Fed nearby waiting for them to find the BB's, but if they were so anxious to find the BB's, why would they hault everything to send a photographer down in the hole, stepping on passenger remains, to photograph it if they were in such a hurry to find them and send them to the NTSB? There's really no reason to even photograph the BB's, unless to try to "prove" a plane crashed there and why would they have to try to prove that if that's what happened?
WelcomeToKilltown 5 months ago
@WelcomeToKilltown Edit: I wouldn't necessarily find a Fed waiting nearby for them to find the BB's suspicious
WelcomeToKilltown 5 months ago
@WelcomeToKilltown - Yep, nothing is adding up really. all the different videos I've seen and I'm still none the wiser as to what happened. I'm still very suspicious. Your points are just more to add to the pile of suspicious circumstances. Well pointed out. The one that really gets me is the woman witness that says she saw a much smaller plane fly over her van and then suddenly the puff of smoke rises from behind the trees. The FBI told her she didn't know what she saw. Sus!
GregOBehave 5 months ago
Stupid video, you're just eyeballing things and saying "this looks out of the ordinary!"
AfroMageman 6 months ago
he wasn't stepping in bodies, the plane was meant to go a long distance (from Maine to Boston) so all of the gas in the tank would have completely disintegrated
the bodies
godlyassasin99 6 months ago
Is that a BRICK? (lower left corner, propping the recorder up) Sure looks like a brick. Question is why is there a brick in the crater, I did not know flight 93 hit a structure. The brick even looks unscathed.
visionary138 6 months ago
@visionary138 There is no brick.
ElijahsImpact 6 months ago
I disliked your video, more will follow suit, and soon youtube will remove it :)
newm123 7 months ago
@newm123 Curious, why did you dislike my video?
WelcomeToKilltown 7 months ago
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@WelcomeToKilltown I disliked it also, are you honestly curious as to why we did it?
Unit1262 6 months ago
@newm123 I am following your example, these people are disgusting.
Unit1262 6 months ago
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@newm123 Do you suck cock?
astrolifter 5 months ago
LMAO, this is the stupidest video I have ever seen. Theres 4min I'll never get back!!!
pab75 7 months ago
Wow, you theory has no proof to back it up that I can find. Like most crime scene photo's are taken where they find the evidence. I would think they do the same, and who is to say someone jumped in the hole to take the photo, have you ever herd of this new thing on camera's, its called a zoom lens. Video is garbage....
pitt15220 8 months ago
@pitt15220 Only one photo of the recovery makes it suspicious in itself. And that's not what happened with all the other evidence. Many things were discovered either in the crater or in the nearby woods, but these things were not photographed in their original locations.
Simboiss 3 months ago
The photograph was obviously taken by a telephoto lens from WAY away... NOT "inside the crater"... and it was not "propped up"... turn your camera to "level" the picture.
Photography 101
TacomaPaul 8 months ago
@TacomaPaul The lack of multiple photographs of the black box being recovered makes the event suspicious.
Simboiss 3 months ago
I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS ABOUT ALL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. PEOPLE DIED. IT WAS SAD. END OF STORY.
Qwerty102964 8 months ago
why the fuck anyone cant believe that 40 brave passengers risked their lives to save a another tragic blow to the nation. people should just be proud
Suchite100 9 months ago
I have to ask: what's the point of this video? OMG, they climbed down into the hole because they saw something and weren't sure what it was, straightened it, verified and snapped a quick pic when they saw what it was before clambering back up out of the hole with it. Big deal. Please don't paint all liberals as Truthers. I'm a total bleeding heart, and this stuff is hokum!
unicornbeck 9 months ago
@unicornbeck Why did they need to jump in the hole when they where digging everything out like they apparently did with the other alleged black box? Your theory makes absolutely no logical sense.
WelcomeToKilltown 9 months ago
For all those who believe that this was an "inside" job. Am I to believe that you all are the SAME people who said the President was too stupid to run the country? Yet you try to justify that he was such a genius to devise 3 planes crashing in 3 different locations? If you want to say this was planned by our government...give credible facts...find the people who lost their lives in these planes...walking and talking...you find them..then I might just find this conspiracy theory credible.
aranette 9 months ago
@aranette Who said we think Bush was the mastermind? We think he was sent to his Brother's state Florida to keep him out of the way because he's a bumbling idiot. Now VP Cheney, who was a former Sect of Defense and then current Sect of Defense, Rumsfeld, who was also a former SoD (and the ONLY 2 time SoD in US history) would be candidates for mastermind.
WelcomeToKilltown 9 months ago 5
@WelcomeToKilltown Hey..let's ask the current POTUS..maybe he can produce concrete evidence. Hell...he finally produced a birth certificate.
aranette 9 months ago
@aranette I'm pretty sure whoever was responsible for those demolitions inside the towers(and tower 7), the missle strikes on the pentagon, and shooting down 93 are WAY above any president's pay grade. Look up the secret committees and other oversight groups that have way more power than the president. Bush was just the retarded puppet, as is every other United States President.
You should also watch "Loose Change: An American Coup". All I got is two words for you... Nano-thermite.
Vabizzle7 9 months ago
@aranette
dude there are people above the president WHO CONTROL HIM AND BUSH ISNT THAT SMART TO KNOCK TO PLAN ALL THIS BY HIMSELF. U HAVE TO TRHINK FORYOURSELF AND DO SOME RESEARCH TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT MAN.
MyLeft4dead 8 months ago
This video is crazy stupid, even for truther retards....
lumpheadthump 9 months ago
@lumpheadthump I agree this video is pretty ridiculous, but you should check out "Loose Change: An American Coup". You might be blown away by the facts and evidence that has been pushed away for so long. 10 years ago I would have never thought it could have been anything but Osama and 19 hijackers....but a lot of research and having an open mind changed a lot of what I believe. Even if you don't find it to be your cup of tea, it is something I think everyone should watch.
Vabizzle7 9 months ago
@Vabizzle7 I've watched enough Loose Change to know that their theories are full of misconceptions half truths, distortions and outright lies. There's a lot of reliance on fake experts etc. that pretty much discredits their views.
lumpheadthump 9 months ago
Pathetic. Nobody cares.
TheSnickbobbit 9 months ago
I don't know whether it was an 'inside job' or not,and to be honest, I don't think anyone will ever know, the simple fact is whether it was a conspiracy or not, people died that day, it happened, and theres nothing anyone can do about it. So how about we think about the thousands of people that died and remember them, and how terrified they must have been, instead of trying to 'prove' that it was all a big conspiracy, even if it was, people still lost their lives
meli2027 10 months ago
that was a lie the whole thing,,that flight never crashed there at all, you want to believe this bull ,,go right ahead and decieve yourself, exactly what they expect..if i had a large jet i could trash i could prove its a lie, no way do engines vaporize, no large wreakage it all just disappeared?lies
mtzlypk 10 months ago
The unsolved crime was the terrorist acts. You're showing a bunch of pictures from flight recorders that were assumed to be accidents, not criminal investigations. I love how you say it's unprecedented blah blah as if you're an expert on flight recorder recovery because you googled some pictures. You're a horrible person, because you're making a mockery out of an event in which thousands of innocent people lost their lives. Terrible video and person who made it. 911 happened get over yourself
rockoob 10 months ago
People died a needless death at the hands of terrorists and you are up here playing conspiracy theorist. What a disgrace. And to think I share the same American soil with you. Pitiful. Outrageous. Cowardly.
jfwalston 10 months ago
I don't understand why would the gov't fake this flight if they already had 2 other planes flying in to the WTC?? Why fake any of the extra planes?
"Ok boys, we've got 2 planes headed towards the WTC! "
"Oh wait boss, 2 planes are not enough to convince America so we better fake a couple more!"
"Good idea. Let's just plant bombs on the pentagon and claim it was an additional plane!!!"
"Yes, but we should also hire actors to fake phone calls." (the more the merrier)
Martano666 10 months ago
that alaska flight 261 ? all the heavey parts sank and all the little light parts floated!duuhhhhhh.i saw that on the news.give me a break, if you know what your talking about>? this crash site was a set up like that vitnam bombing of that city over there.stagged fot the public and tv grews.lets try to focus on the real threat ok''!!
orione56567 10 months ago
thats funny becuase i saw on the news that flight 93s black box was never recovered and that it was not even soposed to leave the hanger that dat nevermind fly . and its a bit of a coincidence that usa biggist disatser happened on the same day and month of thwere emergency service number the goverment are corropt as fuck garunteed it was bush m8
weedleaf88 10 months ago
The explanation is a simple one. This was assumed to be a terrorist act. The crash site is therefore categorized as a potential crime scene and is treated accordingly. Things are photographed and tagged where they are, in order to preserve evidentiary integrity.
unklewink 11 months ago 7
@unklewink What was the unsolved crime that they had to go way out of their way to photograph where the black boxes were found?
WelcomeToKilltown 10 months ago
@WelcomeToKilltown I honestly don't know the details of the Shanksville investigation, but I was simply saying that the handling of this situation might have been different than other crashes because of the circumstances surrounding it.
unklewink 10 months ago
@unklewink That's not what happened with all the other evidence, like the red bandana, the passports, the driver's licenses, etc. Those were not photographed at their original location. We only have photographs of them in plastic bags.
Simboiss 3 months ago
@Simboiss Well, again, I can only speculate as we all are. I wasn't there and don't have all the facts. The selective things we are allowed to see at a distance might not paint a truly accurate picture. I try not to trim puzzle pieces with the scissors of imagination when they don't fit.
unklewink 3 months ago
@unklewink if it was treated as a crime scene like you say, why did they remove the steel and melt it down before any independent investigation could be done?
greatgatsb9o921o 3 weeks ago
@greatgatsb9o921o Well, once again, Great, I really don't know. I wasn't there and obviously not involved in anything pertaining to it. I am only running on what information and puzzle pieces come down the pike like everybody else. Things might have been handled strangely or even sloppily because of the world attention put in the incident and the numerous agencies competing for control of the whole mess. I work in government and I've experienced the latter case many times.
unklewink 3 weeks ago
God, I hope you idiots don't vote.
clsgae 11 months ago
when a plane hits the ground, there is almost nothing recognizable. i saw USAir flight 427 crash in 1994. it wasnt going nearly as fast and even in this case there was nearly nothing left of the people or plane. to say it was a dummy plane is absurd. when a body inside hits with that force, it disolves. the body isnt meant to withstand that kind of impact. in the case of 427, body parts, rather pieces of flesh, were found a mile away in trees. if you havent seen it before, its hard to comprehend
dominic150 1 year ago
Give a link to the information or just stfu.
Born2Flesh 11 months ago
@Born2Flesh Give info? didnt i just say USAir Flight 427. not my fault the only research you do is composed of clicking on links.
dominic150 11 months ago
Inside job
CrudeDude 1 year ago
Question: How long does it take to take a picture?
Meeksgoo 1 year ago
Listen to the flight attendants phone call on Flight 93
Betwwen "Goodbye" and the phone hanging up you can hear someone say..
"You did well"
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
I am not even sure what we are supposed to be looking at. Anyone mind clarifying?
dgiron10 1 year ago
And if there 'were no bodies' and this was a dummy plane. I guess you can tell the relatives of those who were called by their husbands/wives/daughters/sons, saying 'We are on United 93, we have been hijacked' that actually there loved ones have just dissappeared and it was all fake.
Shut up you stupid people.
Emilysecretsx 1 year ago
It annoys me to high heaven when stupid nobodys, make up stupid little theories, that have absolutley zero evidence behind then. TELL ME. If this was all some huge set up by america, then why would they kill thousands of there own people?
If United 93 didn't land in shanksville, then why were there bodies found? Why did they make phonecalls to their families?
TRY AND DISPROVE THAT YOU IDIOTS.
Emilysecretsx 1 year ago
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Acceptable losses. That's ALWAys in the planning.
1cbyoung 1 year ago
conspiracy theories are nothing but theories, not fact. there have been been bombings here in london (and i REFUSE to believe my government killed the people in 7/7, that would a MASSIVE disgrace), russia, spain and other countries, NOT just america. wake up people.
brandnewyork48 1 year ago
You keep saying this is what a NORMAL scene was like but 911 wasnt a normal day..especially after 4 plane crashes. I lost friends on 911 so dont give me any of your conspiracy garbage. People like you are sick and need help.
vegeta9473 1 year ago
@vegeta9473 Just remember what you commented here, when you are being carted off to a concentration camp "for your own protection".
olga2415 1 year ago
@vegeta9473 complain that to the corrupt elite
mephisto88x 1 year ago
the reason why it's so dirty is because the plane was purposely brought down, instead of a regular engine failure.
videomakerman1232 1 year ago
that doesn't look like aluminum parts of a plane that looks like steel beams with rivets I believe planes are made out of aluminum and titanium...is this the type of recorders that were used in those Boeing planes ? I see there are several types used
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
The box is located at the tail-end of the aircraft, the safest place on any aircraft including helicopters. If the plane crashed, it has to be nose in first which means you have to go thru body parts before finding the flight recorder. This wasn't the case here. Where are the cable connectors even if the wires are ripped off? There are no burnt marks in the surrounding areas. This is highly suspicious of foul play.
Revelation47 1 year ago
1) Photographed because it was evidence. 2) Had to climb into the impact crater because that is where the recorder was located. 3) How do you know it was placed on a piece of wreckage and so what if it was? The recorder was very important to the investigation. This crash site was a crime scene, so thousands of photos were taken as items were recovered.
canyonair 1 year ago
@canyonair 1) Evidence to prove what? A plane crashed?! 2) Then why didn't they do that with the other one that was "found" 25ft down, but obviously photographed lying on the ground? 3) Why the need to level it for the shot? And why go way out of their way, slowing up the excavation, and stepping on passenger remains to jump in the hole to photograph something unimportant?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown Like I said you are looking at one of thousands of photos taken at the crash site. You didn't see a photo of the other recorder recovered? Go to work for the FBI and you might have access to all the photos. When a plane crashes human remains are everywhere and they do get stepped on during the course of the investigation although not intentionally. You keep saying the recorder is unimportant. Why is that? So why do you think the photo was staged?
canyonair 1 year ago
@canyonair Only a couple of dozen photos were taken and released. There is a photo of the other black box that on the ground. That one was supposed found 25ft underground. Why wasn't that one photographed in the hole too? Wally Miller never saw a drop of blood at the scene. I'm saying it's unimportant to go to the lengths they apparently did to photograph it still down in the hole. Why didn't they wait until the brought it up like they did the other black box?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown Only a couple dozen photos taken? No way. Maybe couple dozen released and that would be generous. Again the sequence of photos matter little as the only ones that you see are the ones that were released. It was a crime scene and not an accident. The media was not allowed on site so the photos are going to be different. I don't know who Wally Miller is, but anybody that has never seen a high speed impact and walks up to one, probably wouldn't even know what they were seeing.
canyonair 1 year ago
@canyonair That's what I meant, released. So what if it was a crime scene? What was so important that they needed any photographs of the scene? What was the unsolved crime they needed photographs to help prove? Some govt photographs don't really show squat.
Wally Miller is the county coroner who the FBI hired to work the scene. He's an expert who said how "eerie" it was that he never saw a "drop of blood."
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown All crime scenes are photographed. One of this magnitude was photographed extensively, but you will never see all the photographs. I am sure Mr. Miller saw human remains, but the small county coroner was probably overshadowed at the scene by the many federal and state forensic experts that flooded the crash site during the investigation.
canyonair 1 year ago
@canyonair Why the need for the extensive photographing? What was the unsolved crime there? Why would it matter if they didn't photograph the black boxes at all? What were they doing, trying to prove a plane crashed there?!
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown thats because there were no bodies, it was a dummy plane, people wake the hell up
mephisto88x 1 year ago
There is nothing wrong with the photo. That is the Flight Recorder. The other photos you show of recorders being carried from crash sites are taken by the PRESS needing a photo for the media. This photo was taken by investigators (no glamor). Stop trying to create conspiracies out of something you know nothing about.
canyonair 1 year ago
@canyonair Why did the investigators even need to take a picture of it? And why jump down in the hole and put it on the metal piece to level it for the shot?!! Seems like they went waaaaaaay out of their way to take a non-important photo.
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
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@WelcomeToKilltown 1) Photographed because it was evidence. 2) Had to climb into the impact crater because that is where the recorder was located. 3) How do you know it was placed on a piece of wreckage and so what if it was? The recorder was very important to the investigation. This crash site was a crime scene, so thousands of photos were taken as items were recovered.
canyonair 1 year ago
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@WelcomeToKilltown 1) Photographed because it was evidence. 2) Had to climb into the impact crater because that is where the recorder was located. 3) How do you know it was placed on a piece of wreckage and so what if it was? The recorder was very important to the investigation. This crash site was a crime scene, so thousands of photos were taken as items were recovered.
canyonair 1 year ago
Wow, that is 4 minutes of my life I will never get back. Of all the idiotic truther videos I have watched, this has to be one of the absolute lamest.
bman342 1 year ago
@marinaauto Of course there is no plane there now you stupid fuck, some of it's remains are still there in the memorial, shitmaggot asshole.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
Your conspiracy theory would be laughable if it weren't so tragically stupid and needlessly insulting.
swilson3d 1 year ago
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whats new. This will always be like roswell. We now the truth but wont take action;)
As long as it benifits humankind.
wolverineeeeeeeee 1 year ago
whats new. This will always be like roswell and the murder on JFK. We now the truth but wont take action;)
As long as it benifits humankind.
wolverineeeeeeeee 1 year ago
stupid video.
ChristianHolloway7 1 year ago
@ChristianHolloway7 Perfect comment. I've been to the Shanksville site, it's about 65 miles from where is live. They are building a big memorial there now. We talked to several people that lived around there, one guy said the plane went right over his head before it crashed. The local news showed people that night running into town saying "there's body parts hanging in the trees". It's pretty clear what happened there. Rest in Peace to the victims.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
@clintonearlwalker actually no one saw the plane crash. a woman saw a drone fly over her head and it crashed behind the trees. flight 93 did not go down there.
ChristianHolloway7 1 year ago
@ChristianHolloway7 Actually, the guy I talked to said the plane when right over his head before it crashed. I've been there bub, the hole in the ground is still there. I have pics saved on my computer of the makeshift memorial that I took, with fireman uniforms, pics of the dead, and other artifacts, some is still there. Don't try to tell me what happened there bub, I have eyes, and I'm not stupid.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
@clintonearlwalker How far away from the crater was this gentleman? Do you remember his name?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown The small metal building we were standing near was I'd guess about 3/4 of a mile from the crash site. A small American flag marks the spot. I didn't ask his name. They've changed the roads around there as they are building a memorial. We got lost trying to find it, a talked to another guy that lives about 2 miles away, he said he heard the plane crash also. Everyone around there remembers it.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
@clintonearlwalker Did they describe the large plane as being upside-down, or on its side?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown The plane was completely destroyed, there was only tiny little pieces.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
@clintonearlwalker No, before it crashed, when he saw it flying over him. Did he comment that the plane he saw was either upside-down or on its side?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown No, he said he heard a roaring noise and he was afraid it was going to hit him as it was very low. We were beside a small metal building with trees behind it in the direction the plane approached. He prolly couldn't have seen the plane till the last second, and he was prolly ducking by then. He didn't say anything about the attitude of the airplane, I don't think he noticed, or at least he didn't mention it.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
@clintonearlwalker That makes no sense at all... this never happens in a plane crash,,, never... The truth is still out there to be discovered people
billnipp 1 year ago
@billnipp What in the hell are u talking about bub? I've stood right at the crash site in Shanksville Pa, I have pics of the place saved on my computer. What happened there is available from at least 50 different sources that all say exactly the same thing. I don't know what "truth" u are looking for bub, but it's been there all along.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
@clintonearlwalker No your not stupid. just a liar.
ChristianHolloway7 1 year ago
@ChristianHolloway7 Fuck u, You stupid asshole shithead. The internet is full of scumbuckets just like you, and u make me sick.
I know exactly what happened in Shanksville as well as the rest of 911. U don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, u just post non sense and insane bullshit on the net to try to get attention. Fuck you asshole.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
your a retard with a capitol "A"
aravenfliesatnight 1 year ago
Lame
Hollywood4Fun 1 year ago
There is nothing to this video, it is just one person's paranoid delusions. Laughable !
GOODY61 1 year ago
No plane has ever disintegrated when it has crashed into the ground, whether or not if was hit by a missile as Rumsfeld said. There would be at least a few bodies, luggage that didn't get destroyed... But there is nothing, only a few small pieces of what could possibly be a plane. It would have nose dived the tail section and the back end would have been sticking up right? But there was nothing left... Once again, "PLANES DON'T DISINTEGRATE!"
TheQueenoftheDead 1 year ago
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@TheQueenoftheDead "...It would have nose dived the tail section and the back end would have been sticking up right? But there was nothing left... Once again, "PLANES DON'T DISINTEGRATE!" You have got to kidding! a jet hitting the ground at 580mph upside down at a 40 degree angle and you think the tail section would still be sticking out of the ground? Only in cartoons! too funny!! I guess you do not know the definition of DISINTEGRATE do you?
lcspies 1 year ago
A lil too much overanalizing, I'm a pilot myself, just cos a plane is huge means nothing, they are far from rigid when being overstressed, quite fragile really. If it neerly nose dived into the ground, there would be nothing there left, bodies? I'm pretty sure they were pureed like mashed potatoes.
c0string 1 year ago
@c0string Do you know why almost nothing was left? The official story is that most of the plane BURIED DEEP into the ground and then the "loose ground" fell back in on itself and covered any trace of the 757 supposedly down in the ground and the little debris you see above ground was from the cockpit section. That's the official story. Believable?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown Official stories have never realistically been acurate, debris from the cockpit, funny if the cockpit penetrated the ground first, wouldnt you think it's the tail section. I've spent years flying for United, actually 18 years now, sometimes we're not sure of what happened on our own flights after NTSB got thrue with us after small incidents, government has always, does and will always hide details. Reality, as for 93, we simply may never know. Plausable that it pured on impact
c0string 1 year ago
@c0string There's a simple way to realize that this Shanksville crash was staged, they said most of the plane buried (about 80%). If that happened, there would be tons of evidence proving that tons of debris was being unearthed out of that alleged hole deep in the ground. They had a photographer photographing the excavation for Pete's sake and he/she only managed to photograph ONE piece of debris coming out of the ground (engine piece)?!? Can't get much more obvious than that.
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown
New studies indicate that the plane went all the way through to China and came out in pristine condition evidenced by the fact that not one tiny piece of it has been salvaged from the crash sight. All of the passengers survived but the impact has given them all amnesia and they do not know who they are. China has refused to cooperate.
traycox01 1 year ago
@c0string Who said it nose-dived?
aftereight01 1 year ago
@aftereight01 How'd it crash then?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@aftereight01 everyone knows that
c0string 1 year ago
Real flight recorders are built to take Massive impacts, you wouldnt see one all beat to hell like a sledgehammer, Call for a REAL investigation NOW. As for the photo, one would of course want a faked photo to look GOOD.
MasterAceman123456 1 year ago
ever heard of a zoom lens?
TheElhunt 1 year ago
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inside job, 100%
wellifthemediasaysit 1 year ago
How old are you and what is your knowledge of aviation air disasters & crash scenes?
Douglas10ER 1 year ago
@Douglas10ER Why do you ask?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
dont you numb nuts have anything better to do
martinw61 1 year ago
u fucking u tube scum wont let me post damning info on the truth of 9/11, run scared u masonic motherfuckers!
mikefan09 1 year ago
its possible they were staged events, i lean slightly to that possibility becoz other things were done that day that are irregular. like both sites are crime scenes and they immediately begin clean up at both sites. smells of masonic cover up. why would they send the wtc steel to china immediately unless there was something to hide, like clean cut steel beams as happens in demolition explosives, and chemical traces of demolitions. heres the report :
mikefan09 1 year ago
thanks for that welcome yeh i recently saw the vdeo where she said it was a uav type drone. but didnt she first say it was an a-10 or did people just misunderstand her inital description? thats where i thought it from her early accounts, im sure she did initally say a-10. though the uav does sound more plausible to me as it could be used and if something went wrong no body wud be found, also u can blow it up and leave little evidence of wot exactly happened.
mikefan09 1 year ago
if i recall they found Mohammed Attas passport in ruins that day on ground zero.... so why not this
mustafababababa 1 year ago
@mustafababababa Um buddy, no one is saying that block boxes wouldn't be found if a 757 did indeed crash there. The point is that the unusual way and predicament they were photographed is evidence that they were planted and the photographing of them were staged events.
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
definetly fishy stuff went on that day, creater looks like a trench and big dip dug out, filled with trash and then bombed out, just like one of the investigators said that day, reported by cnn, shown on 9/11 ripple effects video. remember those people who saw an a-10 warthog jet in the area, remember a witness said it flew over some trees, went outta sight and then boom, smoke. think it bombed this trash dump? flight debris covers 8 miles, consistent with midflight explosion. vet heard missiles
mikefan09 1 year ago
@mikefan09 There was no A-10's witnessed at the scene. That's a rumor that got started from bad reporting by the alternative press about Susan McElwain's account. She was later interviewed and explicitly said it was NOT an A-10 or a Lear jet that she saw. (watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ) She says she saw some kind of wingless military missile or UAV and was completely molded.
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Funny world we live in.
Deanzsyclone 1 year ago
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Don't some conspiracy theorists say the plane landed in Cleveland? Another big hole in there theory.
Conspiracy theorists also say there was no wreckage or not enough. I guess the
government had to stage a "recovery of wreckage scene." Another hole in that theory.
purpleblood93 1 year ago
my opinion is that the picture of the data box was taken in the hole because it was a crime scene as opposed to a plane that crashed accidentally.
cannyx 1 year ago
@cannyx Why would that matter? Officials were telling the public that the plane was hijacked and told us later in the day that the phone calls revealed a "passenger revolt." The only thing you'd possibly want the black boxes for is to see if the passengers broke into the cockpit, or not (and that's assuming the official story is true.)
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown
just saying there are a lot of theories out there about that day & so much of it ridiculous. like if the black boxes weren't photographed like they were in the pics in the vid would people cry foul saying they should have been? like how some people cried foul when the supposed plane remains from the pentagon attack were quickly being cleaned up when, as the "loose change" film stated it was a crime scene and evidence was being moved before any investigation could be done.
cannyx 1 year ago
@cannyx Cry foul they were moved? Why would anyone cry foul if they were moved?!? The cylinder-shaped black box had obviously been moved and set down on the ground and then photographed. Why did they photograph one after they moved it, and not the other one?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
wow, that's an assumption? dude, i'm a firm believe that it was an inside job but you need to do some more research. Like, find some of the people that were excavating the site and ask them where the recorder was photographed.
St0n3dGuRU 1 year ago
@St0n3dGuRU You saying it wasn't photographed down in the hole?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown as far as I know, it could be sitting on a pile of wreckage sitting outside the hole
St0n3dGuRU 1 year ago
@St0n3dGuRU So the photographer picked up the recorder and set it level on the piece of metal in the middle of the mound of dirt?!?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@WelcomeToKilltown could be, I didn't mean to argue or anything..I was just saying, without a wider view of the picture, all you have is speculation on where it's sitting.
St0n3dGuRU 1 year ago
@St0n3dGuRU It's funny how we as humans jump to conclusions so fast. Good eye.
Deanzsyclone 1 year ago
they want to show it that it was damaged that's all so no one will ask for it
sa7272la 1 year ago
I'm not saying that your conclusions are incorrect, but I don't see how an unprecedented act and circumstantial evidence proves anything. To be honest, you don't know the story behind this photo. You've made up the entire backstory based on one image. There are no statements, no eye-witness accounts - nothing. Just one photo of a flight recorder.
JebusInVegas 1 year ago
@JebusInVegas Well what's the story then? Don't you agree it looks like someone had jumped into the excavated hole and propped up that recorder for the photo?
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
One question: why? Why do that? you all have these rediculous nerdy conspiracy theories, but can anyone give an explanation as to why theyd stage it.
amoylan 1 year ago
@amoylan It's ridiculous you'd think people like us who weren't in on the conspiracy would know. But the evidence speaks for itself, the black boxes were staged. Normal investigators wouldn't risk their safety and slow the excavation by jumping in a hole, supposedly filled with body parts mind you, just to photograph a black box. Game over.
WelcomeToKilltown 1 year ago
@CptJackAubreyRN Ramsey knows what happened on November 22nd, 1963. This is part of the reason he has been a severe critic of the (secret) government. Watch 1) Confessions of an Economic Hitman 2) Hijacking Catastrophe GO TO: TARPLEY(dot)NET You will find Wes Tarpley's "The Unauthorized Biography of George HW Bush" The book is well researched & documented.
ghahandi 1 year ago
Who says that photo was taken in the hole? Maybe the recorder came out in a bucketload of debris from the digger and then was photographed as soon as it was spotted. However, even if it was in the hole, the photographer could have used a long lens to take the shot. I regularly take shots of the moon with my camera but I don't have to go there to do it because I have a 600mm lens.
tearecords 2 years ago
So whether it was photographed still in the hole, or after it was dumped on the ground from the backhoe bucket, the recorder just "happened" to land level on that piece of metal debris with its logo conveniently facing the camera? Do you know the odds of that happening?
WelcomeToKilltown 2 years ago
@WelcomeToKilltown based on the fact that it appears to be roughly cube shaped and have six faces the odds would be 1 in 6. But seeing as the photographer would want to photograph the bit that says "flight recorder" and could presumably move to get the best angle the odds would be more like 50/50 seeing as three sides are visible and three obscured by debris.
tearecords 2 years ago
You guys are lolsy
P0P357UR3 2 years ago
Really there is far to many things that make you doubt official reports.
So ask yourslef this, what hapens to America and the World if it is proved to be an inside job.
Talk about changing history.
irishbeliever 2 years ago
you claim that photographing a flight recorder down in a hole after a crash is "UNPRECEDENTED". Can you compare the circumstances of this crash to any other crash in recent history?
unclejoey2007 2 years ago
You saying that no other plane crashed and parts of it buried underground?
WelcomeToKilltown 2 years ago
@WelcomeToKilltown There was absolutley NO PLANE at the Pentagon. Best guess..it was a missle. A vacant wing of Pentagon at GROUND LEVEL? I mean how stupid do they think people are? All local security recordings immediately confiscated. The truth will leak out. This was an inside job.
ghahandi 1 year ago
the fact is: there are a lot of things that we will never know about 9-11.
avjunior 2 years ago
loll well if you think that a plane hit the pentagone and two more knocked down two towers well your a fucking idiot and brainwashed by a bunch of idiots..don't forget about tower 7 that fell for nothing..coul'nt get canadiens to believe all the crap related to 911..your governement is the terrorist
mumbler73 2 years ago
@mumbler73 "loll well if you think that a plane hit the pentagone and two more knocked down two towers well your a fucking idiot and brainwashed by a bunch of idiots"
You would be a "Fucking Idiot" to believe that planes didnt bring down those towers and AA 77 didnt crash into the Pentagon
UAL4ever 2 years ago
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hahaah another brainwashed case...just for the fuck of it...what brought down tower 7 lollllllll
mumbler73 2 years ago
So.....where is your "evidence" that the recorder was staged? You need to remember that there is a big diffrence between evidence and your imagination...
JJSA1985 2 years ago 2