Abortion vs Poverty

[teaksmama]

well done, again. 

[HowardSternn]

Abortion saves lives

Howard Stern

[yurei8]

I once visited a woman in an official capacity. She had three very young children she was yelling at. She was on the phone arguing with the childrens father asking for support. She told me that she was pregnant, but wanted to get an abortion. I could not tell her to keep the unborn. It was her decision about the quality of life for the ones already there. The same people who complain about government, want to the same to control people's body functions and support big killer war machines.

[darliegoddess]

The choice of life is a woman's . It is her right solely because it is her life that will be sacrificed for it. I don't care how much men have to pay, that is for the courts to decide.

[yurei8]

I agree. I say it's the woman's life; and women do die during child birth, plus they have a moral and legal obligation to other children they have given birth to. And yes, God, or some would say nature does determine that a fetus or a mother is not healthy enough for that fetus to make to full term. To deny this is to deny the reality that nature is a system of balance.

[the5thCount]

Abortion is the destruction of a human as a human is a human due to the fact that a human has human DNA. Murder is the destruction of an innocent human. Thus, if an entity has a complete set of human DNA and is innocent, then it is murder to destroy such an entity. Thus, anyone who conspires to destroy such an entity is a MURDERER!!!

[darliegoddess]

So you are for putting women to death for having an abortion.  Just so everyone is clear that you are for murdering women !

[the5thCount]

@darliegoddess

You are an idiot. You do not have an open mind and you make ungrounded accusations and assumptions to support your view. Typical liberal...

[darliegoddess]

OPEN MIND ?! You have said they should execute doctors and mothers who abort !!!!!! I DONT HAVE AN OPEN MIND ??????? Oh please ! You are insane !

[darliegoddess]

the5thCount has been banned at his own request after threatening violence against people.

[teaksmama]

@the5thCount you are a child. the fact that darlie has allowed you to go on with your dribble is amazing, and a sign of her willingness to allow you to bury yourself in false logic for your cause. nothing but nothing allows for the laws of this country to be based in anything but tangible reality, scientific truth. there is no tangible reality to back up a claim that abortion is murder. none.

[darliegoddess]

Oh and in a PM the5thCount has admitted that he is for murdering doctors as wewll who commit abortion. I think we should find out where you are and turn you into the police for threatening people with murder.

[JPetrucci744]

I don't understand why people support abortions as a form of contraception... I mean, why can't the choice be at the bedside? Don't want kids don't reproduce, it's a simple choice - which is still there, just in another location.

Abortion is fine in circumstances of rape... a raped woman does not choose to reproduce, she is forced to.

I can see how immature sex crazed individuals want to keep abortions legal, but any intelligent person with self control should generally be against them.

[darliegoddess]

No one is intentionally using them as contraceptives, that is stupid . As so many religious crazies love to point out contraception is not 100% effective. If you don't want abortions just stop having sex . It's totally simple . No sex, no abortions so you just stop. When it comes to other people i really is none of your business as the responsibility for their actions are their own.

[the5thCount]

@darliegoddess

So you think that sex crazed and immature people should have the right to perform reproductive activity and then kill the human that they just reproduced?

[darliegoddess]

Hm , sex crazed. So you feel you should have the right to determine when and how much sex other people get ? I think it's none of your business . Well unless they are your children and then you should pay. Might make you take more of an interest in your child. There are these things called "contraceptives" , you put them over your penis and they prevent babies.

[the5thCount]

I never said that that I had the right to determine how much sex people had, I just said that parents have no right to kill their children. Look at it this way, it is none of our business whether someone murders someone else. Yet we have laws against murder. Whether it is my business or not doesn't discount the fact that abortion is equivalent to murder...

[darliegoddess]

You consider a fetus "children" so you must want to punish moms who have abortions. You going to give them the death penalty ? Isn't that what you do with murdereres ? Execute them. HEY EVERYONE !

the5thCount HERE WANTS TO START PUTTING WOMEN WHO HAVE ABORTIONS TO DEATH !

[the5thCount]

Wow, it is amazing how illogical you are. You didn't even answer the questions raised in my argument. You are just being petty and are simply making ungrounded assumptions. If you want to come across as an intellectual person, you must actually confront logical questions raised instead of making a similar blunder to the blunder that Sarah Palin makes whenever she debates...

[darliegoddess]

Illogical, you8 called abortion murder ! If it's murder then someone is the murderer and if someone contracts someone to murder a person THEY ARE THE MURDERER . So basically you want women who have abortions put to death. If not what is the punishment ? Name it !

[teaksmama]

@the5thCount we actually have laws allowing for abortion, in case you managed to allow yourself to forget this. saying 'there are laws' is as irresponsible as getting a woman pregnant, telling her she cannot abort, then offering no personal and financial support in the raising of the child. happens daily. your argument is bunk.

[JPetrucci744]

Good theory, 'if it doesn't concern you it's none of your business', but the flaw there is that theory works the same for all those starving people in Ethiopia. It doesn't concern you, it's none of your business. They're on the other side of the world.

'It's humanitarian' you say, but in your mind killing a child because of some mistake is not inhumane. And if there is a reasonable prevention to this we should not utilise it because you think it somehow deprives woman of their right (to kill).

[darliegoddess]

Yup. No one is "making" anyone help the Ethiopians. People do it because they want to .

No ones killing a child, god has aborted TRILLIONS of fetuses. Is he killing children , is he being inhumane ? I don't care if their is prevention , that's none of my business. Don't want babies, dont have sex.

[the5thCount]

Your point here is illogical. It is as if you are blaming God for miscarriages. That is offensive to any religious person. Simply because babies naturally miscarriage doesn't mean that we have the right to abort them. Look at it this way. Just because animal naturally eat their dung doesn't mean that we should eat our dung. Any thoughts?

[darliegoddess]

Well if god controls everything it's god who is "murdering" babies ! So who is to blame if not god ?? So god can murder and you call it "natural"? Oh, it's because you can't punish an imaginary god right ? So god is just a fraud ! What is the punishment for "MURDERING BABIES " ! You executed an abortion doctor so you must want to start executing mothers who abort right ?

[JPetrucci744]

I don't care about God or religion that has nothing to do with this.

If it's none of your business then don't take a stance on the subject.

Look at how you're dragging in different subjects to validify your empty arguments. There's not much point for me to argue with opinionated, close-minded people like you.

Just like a typical Liberal, you construct your opinions based off ignorance and hate, without thinking about any consequences.

You're only pro-abortion because you're anti-religion.

[darliegoddess]

I'm not murdering doctors and planning to execute mother who have abortions so Im minding my own business . YOU AREN'T !

Wait did you just use the term "typical liberal" ? Did you ?! I'm "close minded " ? !

"how immature sex crazed individuals want to keep abortions legal "-JPetrucci744

And you said this ?

[darliegoddess]

No., I'm pro abortion because I'm not anti-woman, which you are. Tell everyone how you are going to put women who have abortions to death .

[JPetrucci744]

If I was anti-woman I would be gay.

And since you assumed that I was the5thCount on another profile, you're wrong. Just because we both speak with reason doesn't mean we're the same person. I personally would only go after the people carrying out the unlicensed abortions.

[darliegoddess]

So anyone gay people are anti-woman? Lesbians too? Yes, and so the myths of gay men being close to their moms must be false.I made no such assertion of Identity. Don't lie, if abortion is murder you are going to have to start executing women.

[JPetrucci744]

Is that how you interpret words? You need to go back to college and learn to ready from left to right not upside down, I never said gays are anti-woman did I, I said if I was anti-woman i.e. believed women should no exist, I would be gay.

Also you made no point trying to point out any contradiction in my text above to show that I'm close-minded, if you said something reasonable my views would shift, but you didn't say anything I haven't already heard.

[darliegoddess]

"If I was anti-woman I would be gay. " ? "learn to ready "? "believed women should no exist"? Sorry but translating languages must be very hard for you. Contradiction ? Lol!

You get one more chance to make a clear point PJ. I'm tiring of trying to comprehend your broken thoughts.

[teaksmama]

@JPetrucci744 how oh how do you equate the concept of anti woman to believing women should not exist? that's just plain stupid. of course anti-woman would mean you feel you have the right to make women suffer; push women into poverty due to the terrible sin of motherhood. or call women criminals due to the decision not to go into poverty over motherhood. according to your logic, women cannot win. that is the core of the definition of anti-women.

[teaksmama]

@JPetrucci744 the only reason a need for unlicensed abortions arises is because of the violent scare tactics being used to undermine available services for women to obtain legal abortions.

[teaksmama]

@JPetrucci744 if you are not a woman, cannot get pregnant, or even if you are a woman and don't plan to get pregnant, how is this your business, and why are you arguing about this? your own argument precludes you even discussing this topic. fool.

[Blakelolwut]

I was taking my friend to get an abortion, there were a few Fundamentalist Christians screaming at us saying that we are going to hell and all this nonsense. I thought Christians were supposed to not hate?

[pgy002]

I agree, that's what pisses me off about MOST people who are against abortion, they are like abortion is MURDER but lets FRY criminals in the chair and lets bomb other countries killing 1000s of innocent people.

[darliegoddess]

And that is our contradiction as a nation. An incredible empathy for the cells we begin as and a passionate hate for what they become .

[mad8london247]

They don't seem to have any compassion towards the sperm cells? How about women monthly cycles? All those eggs are being murdered.

In a perfect world, we would only have children when we want to have a family.

We would not need abortion in a perfect world. It is traumatising enough.

[darliegoddess]

The church depends on the poor being raised in ignorance and poverty to support them.

[mad8london247]

Definitely, I'm originally from the Philippines.

The government panders to the Catholic church too much to the point, where contraceptives are difficult to procure.

[fjordprefectix]

The church also does an amazing amount of charity work for those less fortunate...or is that just a cover-up?

[darliegoddess]

The exemptions have nothing to do with religious freedom. They can go through the same channels EVERY OTHER charity does. No exemptions for seeing invisible things.

[teaksmama]

@fjordprefectix yes, a cover-up. and your use of the word amazing is far from realistic. the church uses probably less than ten percent of their money to help the poor. that means they tithe less than the folks who tithe to them. they waste bazillions on procurement, ownership, and upkeep of land and buildings. across the board, wealthy take from the working class, then donate small bits back to make themselves feel better and confuse those watching to believing they care.

[Ypsiroselee]

In their perfect world, women would be constantly pushing out babies, one after another.

[darliegoddess]

Now that male sperm levels are down to less than half of what they were and 80% of those being malformed our extinction is approaching. Plastic toxins are feminizing boys. Look up the CBC documentary "The Disappearing Male".

[Lionsgrrr]

Women should decide to keep their legs closed too. Oh did they get "their bodies" pregnant by themselves? I agree though, if you cant provide for the life, you should not bring the life into the world.

And if we spent bomb money to feed starving children, this would be a better world. There is no god btw.

[darliegoddess]

Well if a woman does not want an abortion then of course she should either wear protection or or not have sex. Same with a man. I agree.

[fjordprefectix]

To claim that there is no God is as presumptuous and as unfounded as someone claiming that there is a God. The actual truth is that nobody knows.

[darliegoddess]

Oh, so because I have no proof that the universe is not run by a giant marmoset in pajamas my not believing it is presumptuous ? I don't think you get to call not believing in something there is no proof for presumptuous . I'm pretty sure that neither the marmoset nor god , Christian/Islamic or whatever , is a totally unproven concept and there fore refutable.

[fjordprefectix]

Well, I wouldn't be arrogant or presumptuous enough to state publicly that I know for a fact that there is no marmoset running the universe either. There might be. The truth is, I don't and can't know and no one else can claim to know either. Saying that you know that there is no God is silly. How could you "know"?

[darliegoddess]

Let me state this clearly , there is no marmoset running the universe either. I can say this based on all the evidence at hand. No giant fur trails, no universal squeak, no cute marmo paws anywhere. It's a fact, they aren't our masters.

[fjordprefectix]

Personally, I don't believe in the man-made God that most religions claim to be aware of. But due to my belief in the truth of physics, I do believe that something external to the universe (and beyond human understanding) initiated the movement of the universe in which we exist. (see next post for more)

[darliegoddess]

That is a fine belief and you are welcome to it but be aware that stating that you don't believe *in the man-made God that most religions claim to be aware of * you are stating a presumptuous thought. =) Faith is believing when others don't so don't be crushed if people don't follow.

[fjordprefectix]

The reason is this: physics states that matter tends to stay at rest unless energy is transferred to it by an external force. If we take that as true, then the Big Bang could not have initiated itself, but had to have been affected by an external object. That external object, I would appropriately call the creator. This does not imply a being or even a conscious entity, just something that is bigger than the universe itself.

[darliegoddess]

Wonderful for you. Others need the freedom FROM religion.

[williambrown007]

or the multiuniversity itself.

[RockyBalboa211]

The religious people give money to the poor.. Well where I live anyway.

[darliegoddess]

Religious people impede social progress, they enforce ignorance and by indoctrinating people to see impossible things condition people for outrageous republican lies. They could feed half the earth poor and still not make up for the damage , hording of the worlds wealth and the abuse of it's people.

Someone said "Hey we are building schools in Iraq". I responded "We have leveled their entire country killed hundreds of thousands . It's small compensation don't you think ? "

[JRDavisMT]

Food for thought. Liberals don't breed, they are either Gay or have abortions. It's only a matter of time before baby bubbas over run the continent and have the ultimate showdown with the baby jihadis. Midieval religion perpetuates and rules the globe this way and civilized people are forced to watch impotently from the margin.

[thegrimmreeper]

Truth is though, politicians killed out separation of Church and State in their search for loyal constituents.

America was once supposed to be the home of enlightenment, philosophy, and advancement. One of our most influential founders is considered by modern minds an atheist (Jefferson) not to mention Thomas Paine's fervent irreligiosity.

But that's not the America that exists today. We've been hijacked by the nation's ignorant masses and their superstitious beliefs.

[darliegoddess]

And worse both Jefferson and Paine misquoted by them to serve their cause. The irony being that they traveled to escape persecution only to become what they ran from.

[thegrimmreeper]

The abortion debate is a religious one, that's all. It always comes down to belief in a soul, which is a religious or spiritual belief.

Considering that the United States isn't supposed to care about people's religious habits (the first line in the First Amendment reads: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion) then the main argument against abortion should be thrown out of hand as irrelevant.

[teaksmama]

@thegrimmreeper this is perfect

[pe1biv]

Brilliant again, Darlie. I totally agree.

I would add that any human who has the arrogancy pretending to speak for their God, obviously is using the name of their God in vain.

But then, especially the RCC has never paid much attention to the only words in their scriptures that, according to these scriptures, are written BY their God; the 10 commandments.

But then, a higher being that has to demand to be honoured, so obviously can't win that respect, hm......

Love you, girl.

[darliegoddess]

I completely concur . The logic flaws in their assumptions are like train tunnels , so huge you could drive through them . Thank you A.

[PurplenovaX]

<3 yr work, totally agree 8)) xoxox

[PurplenovaX]

Just as being vigilant is personal

but being a vigilante outwardly is fookin stoopid

so is

believing in a god is personal

doing what god believes outwardly is fookin stoopid

Only Hetro's commit pedophilia, fact.

Sexual behaviour is, and needs to be, as random and diverse as evolutionary soup.

If viewing sexual behaviour through the eyes of a divinely compromised perception, it would seem like a disorder or mental illness and may get shelved in the DSM. oh yeah - already has.

<3U xo

[darliegoddess]

Funny what passes for a mental disease these days.=)

[PurplenovaX]

lol

does forgetting your vid comments are pending review classify?

I thought, no way in a mens shelter am I gunna remember all that I wrote.

I forgot to add, to be fair, it is not the genuine hetro's that can justify sexual abuse towards another human irrationally, it is generally the profile of a person who instictively and intrinsically does not the fit the religious ideal profile that busts their brain cells in trying to fit.

We all know the power of self hate!

[tetsubo57]

The rights of an existing woman have precedent over those of a potential human being that is a fetus. Half of all fertilized eggs spontaneously abort. Guess God didn't like *those* fetuses.

But the Pope's dresses are FABULOUS!

The child raping priests need to all be brought to justice.

Apparently, for many Christians killing people after the are born is just dandy.

[darliegoddess]

Totally fabulous !

[K8Nicole]

I have to agree with Darlie on this one. I don't think its right to just have an Abortion for the sake of avoiding responsibility, but scene there seems to be no gray area when it comes to abortion, than I have to be PRO Choice. People need to stop trying to control others, and come to terms with the fact that no matter what they my think, People have Free Will and it's here to stay. Control is an illusion. I'm PRO CHOICE on this one. TTFN

[darliegoddess]

We hope that every parent to be is ready to care for a child that is born. I feel we abandon women when they need the support most. If a child is born we as a society owe it a good start.

[teaksmama]

@darliegoddess this is the crux of it. just as society didn't allow you to grow up being who you knew you were, also society abandons mothers with hungry children. there should never be a law telling women what to do concerning this, but the need/desire to abort a pregnancy would soon nearly disappear if women knew society would support them in their efforts of raising kids up right. it takes a village. and of course the village is in a shambles.

[christineglamazon]

Religious fundamentalists turn more people of from God and religion than all the satan-worshiping pornographers combined. People who presume to speak for God are the worst egomaniacs there are, and they should be ignored.

[pe1biv]

Christine, I thought the relifundies were the largest consumer group of the satan-worshiping pornographers......

Eh....

[edeyn]

Even using the bible:

Leviticus 17:14 -- For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof... for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof...

The circulatory system begins to form during the first trimester... but blood itself is a connective tissue. A fetus begins to develop its own blood and blood type in the last 10-12 weeks of pregnancy at the earliest.

By that, a fetus is not truly alive of its own right until after it has finished doing so.

[ApolloDynamic]

Wonderful video, Darlie! :-)

[CelticRobot]

I envy the future generations who live when religion is just laughable superstition.

[darliegoddess]

How I wish. To end fear and to embrace things that could save us as a planet religion must go.

[ApolloDynamic]

Darlie, I awfully enjoy how we see eye-to-eye. :-)

[Jenna08848]

LOL,,, Eureka a man in a dress,,,as if that could happen. Its all hearsay and nonsense I tell ya. Religion is the bastard child of all thats wrong with the world. I say Darlie for supreme Goddess of all thats Good.  I return you to the previous program in and it will be seen in its entireity.

[darliegoddess]

The vprogram with nothing but happy bunnies.

[Jenna08848]

Only if there is ice cream,,,butterscotch preferred

[zarkoff45]

Great line: "The pope is just a man in a dress."

The pope is just a man in a fancy moo-moo and a big silly hat.

[darliegoddess]

I just dont get why god needs him to be covereds in jewels and wearing that hat. It makes no sense.

[zarkoff45]

Why does anyone wear fancy, expensive clothes? It's a way to say to others that they are important.

[darliegoddess]

Amazing given the basis of Christianity was raising up the poor.

[zarkoff45]

Raise up the poor? Exploit the poor is more like it.

[pe1biv]

And don't forget trying to keep them stupid.....

[ShpinxiLotus23]

i saw the pope flying around catching bugs in his bat form when i took a tour of the vatican.

[darliegoddess]

Lol! Well , better that than drinking blood at the orphanage .