I think if you leave a slag probably will cause porosity, am I right? This doesn't work well with X-ray process at the oild field. It's the same w/ the guy who mentioned about "if you do it on high rise" he is referring to structural welding.Resutt is very simple "FIRED" once an X-ray will come out w/ a negative result.If we do it right then we keep our job and the good "RigPay" am I right professional welders in the field out there?
@rconlowtank Yeah at some companies. If you are out on an oil rig you are expected to do a downhill pass like this. And 6010 is something else on its own
I have a quick question. I took a welding course a couple of years ago and it involved some pipe welding. I used 6010 for route and hot passes but was always told by the instructor, who is was a veteran 30 year welder, to always use 7018 to cap with. So my question, whats the difference in using 6010 vs 7018 to cap? Thanks for you input.
i like these vids, and hes down to earth. i wish all the other welder that are always better would make a vid. being a welder myself I dont understand why alot of welders think there always better than the next. Iv seen alot of good young welders the problem is their mouth. big mouth dont make a big man. best welds are teachable ones, and theres a lot to learn. remeber when pride comes, then disgrace, but with humility comes wisodm. proverbs 11:2 mdtread keep it up. blessings
well as a matter of fact i noticed the welder welding the cap was creating arc blow due to his incorrect drag angle. ok for those of you coming to youtube for advice on welding tips tricks and techniques like what i read on another comment study hard and practice everyone has different ways on running a bead whether it be structural or pipe all of you will learn that once spend alot of time in the field
I am a CWI and API-510. You're allowed some small amounts of slag inclusions depending on the code you are welding to. It's risky to not chip it before your restart but if the metal is hot, and you long arc a little on the start, then it should burn out with 5P. Just don't try it with 7018.
Thank you for your post working on my CWI API as well. My concern here is Mtread was or still is selling these videos as instructional. If you watch a lot of his other vids he does not completly tie in and he runs right over his slag on any rod, and some of his tequniques are questionable at best. Mtread if your instructing Why not do it correctly. A lot of very bad habits that inexperienced welders see here could be used that lead to poor techniques and weld failures 4 them
i would like to see a vid like this that shows you putting in the 6010 or p5+ root pass whichever one u use,do u have one?the hot and cover passes are easy part its the root at the 7oclock position that screws me up,[uphill that is]
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@theTDGandLPaddict ---Start an NVQ or equiv evening class at local tech and learn how to weld correctly as well as getting a qualification. I've been going for 2 few years now and in my 3rd and consider myself pretty much competent in most positions in stick (MMA) and TIG (TAGS). I've yet to try MIG or MAGS as they call it. The most rewarding though has to be TIG. - good luck mate.....john.
@theTDGandLPaddict -- Start an NVQ or equiv evening class at local tech and learn how to weld correctly as well as getting a qualification. I've been going for 2 few years now and in my 3rd and consider myself pretty much competent in most positions in stick (MMA) and TIG (TAGS). I've yet to try MIG or MAGS as they call it. The most rewarding though has to be TIG. - good luck mate.....john.
@mdtread what the amp range 4 6010 3/32 i am running off of a 130amp dc welder i know the stinger is hooked to the pos side and the ground hooked to neg side i just need the amp range i think its 80 to 110amps is that right ?
@mdtread im currently in a welding class now to pass the test we have to do a stringer bead and a cover pass. its a vertical lap joint. we are also using a 6010 rod. will this work on a lap weld and what kind of output are u running on this weld.
@mdtread I am currently near the end of my weld training. I am now in pipe. Is it common to cap with 6010 over 7018. And When I 6010 I use a whipping motion to get that ripple effect, distribute heat and also to clean and preheat the area I about to weld. Is your way a common way in the field, or did you just pick it up as you go.
I am a welding student and have been looking at videos on youtube for a while now, I have to saw the detail if your video is amazing compaired to most I have seen. I can actually tell the difference between the arc and the puddle. what did you use for filming this?
ive always been told that leave the slag on just give it a little chip where u left off,the reason u leave it on is it will protect the rest of the weld and 2 the easier it will chip once it cools a lil bit and retracts then chip it all off when your done,you guys are buncha wankers hating on the guys weld i didnt see a damn thing wrong with it,dont u hate them people that can tell u how to do it but cant do it themselves
@procuts69 you sir are an idiot, "so I have been told"....gtfo, if you don't do it as a job than stfu. idiot i sware, chip the slag always, any welding inspecter will tell you if you leave slag in your weld its a defect which means you have to grind it out and reweld it NOT trapping any weld, this process is wrong by teaching to leave the slag, you will get fired on a gas line if you do that crap
@rondomingez you are the idiot, i know u dont leave the slag on jackass ,just until u complete the bead then chip it off,what a fucking moron you are ,you completely missed the conversaation or just simply didnt understand
@procuts69 As a fast freeze fast cooling rod 6010 has the ability to burn through its own slag, cleaning off your stop start isn't too crucial unless you're running your fills (7018) - though I would agree on any NDT it's worth it to take the precaution and chip it off
He has a hard time keeping his rod at a steady depth... Keeps long arcing it for no reason and please don't say it was because you were filling in the weld its cause you probably cant see lol Just saying I think your average...
there is one hard thing about pipe welding D: maintaining the angle of the rod during welding.... thats difficult because you move your electrode all the time in a curve
are you serious. i weld a lot like him. i just passed 87 x rays without a spec of porosity. i know when its okay to burn the trash out. i've been welding for thirty years. i do not NEED to gain experience by watching these vids.but, i watch for any little trick that might make me better. you are never to old to learn. apparently you CAN be too young.
Micheal I can't ever say thank you enough for making some of the best dam welding dvds ever. I am constantly going back to them as I am going back to school for some refresher pipe courses. EWveryone I come into contract with wanting to learn to pipe weld both on the internet and in person I recommend you're dvds. I feel like I have to because they have helped me so much. I still say that if I had these dvds in school I would have gone so much further and so much faster.
On to constructive critisism (and I understand the given circumstances). One; it wouldve been nice to see fit-up and all passes. Two; the last fill pass, in my opinion, couldve been a touch more uniform and a little more flush. And three; CLEAN THAT DAMN SLAG OFF THE FINISHED PRODUCT!!! From what I could see, you did an excellent job of capping that off. You should uncover your masterpiece and display that bad boy proudly!
Now the differences in reguards to strength between uphill and downhill are the same. As long as the filler metal has an equal tensile strength (givin in PSI) and the weld was put in properly, they will be the same. The only difference would be the depth of fusion into the toe lines of the parent material because during the uphill travel, the arc is in contact to the base metal for a longer period of time.
Now back to the gentalman in this video. The code he is working to is also AWS (but only referring to the electrode classification) but mainly going by the API (American Petrolium Institute) section 1104. This code uses only E-6010, E-8010, E-10010 in the downhill position for two main reasons; one, its faster. Two, the E-**10/E-***10 electrodes are very high penetrating cellulose based rods.
Now back to the gentalman in this video. The code he is working to is also AWS (but only referring to the electrode classification) but mainly going by the API (American Petrolium Institute) section 1104. This code uses only E-6010, E-8010, E-10010 in the downhill position for two main reasons; one, its faster. Two, the E-**10/E-***10 electrodes are very high penetrating cellulose based rods.
Now back to the gentalman in this video. The code he is working to is also AWS (but only referring to the electrode classification) but mainly going by the API (American Petrolium Institute) section 1104. This code uses only E-6010, E-8010, E-10010 in the downhill position for two main reasons; one, its faster. Two, the E-**10/E-***10 electrodes are very high penetrating cellulose based rods.
Because hydrogen can diffuse (migrate/move) through steel at room temperatures. This is why a CWI (Certified Welding Inspector) has to not only inspect the initial weld but return no less than 48 hours later to reinspect it. Even then, once the weldment is placed under load, it can for any remaining hydrogen to diffuse and cause cracking.
There is, however, an allowable amount of porosity within a weldment (no bigger than 1/32 inch any direction individually or a combined total of 1/8 inch within any one square inch of weld) and the reasoning for this is because of the highly structural shape of a sphere, (which is what porosity looks like) it can actually stop cracks from getting any larger than they are. I know what some people are thinking; "if youre not allowed any cracks, why would there be any"? And I answer.
If my memory serves me correctly, the ASME boiler/pressure vessal code is section IX (this means 9 for you dumbasses out there) which specifically calls for a low-hydrogen electrode such as E-8018, E-9018, E-11018. These are used because they introduce very low amounts of hydrogen (usually 4-8 ml per 100g of solidified weld metal. This reduces the chance of hydrogen diffusion which can cause craking under load.
Secondly, he is most certainly running this weld very nicely. Which, Im sure is substantially more than I could EVER say about most of anybody else here and I dont give two shits if you are a boilermaker. Next, as 90mustang kid said, he is welding to a COMPLETLY different code than you "boilermakers" are. Boilermakers weld according to AWS (American Welding Society) and to ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers).
I would just like to clear up a few things for this gentalman. First, to all of you morons on here throwing a shit fit about him not cleaning the crater, he doesnt have to being that it isnt a certification test and that hes using E-6010 which is a very high penetrating electrode in addition with running higher amperages going down hill versus uphill.
And, over in Europe, if you're caught doing ANY uphill roots, they will pull your certs and boot you from the job sight. GUARUNTEED! My question is, how can you be a 3rd year apprentice and not know this? I'm only a year and a half out of high school and I know this for god sake.... What Local are you anyway? What state?
Downhill is use very rarely in your field only as a patch. But, in other industries such as low-pressure oil and natural gas lines, it's used extensivly. You are mot likly working to an ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers) boiler/pressure vessel code and he is likly to be working to an API (American Petrolium Institute) code. Downhill is also used quite often in Europe for the root. Most of the piping is ran with a downhill root but uphill filler and cap passes.
stp48; he was welding downhill, quite well I might add, because he was welding to a different code than you. YYou as boilermakers are only ever taught one thing and that's uphill only.
Im a union boilermaker well 3rd year apprentice i started well before that though 3rd generation on both sides of my family but. We do alot of tube welding inside boilers along with 4 years of welding classes. Im just wondering why you where down hilling that pass? was it to smooth out the lumps that you had from the first pass? we are thought to never down hill unless its thin metal and only run a down hill pass then to get enough metal in there to run a uphill back over it.
I feel that this is a great video. It lets everyone see the puddle, lets fellow welders know what type of electrode manipulation can be used to cover both edges, solidify the metal, control the heat, how to pause, create uniform bead width, and anything/everything else - I like this video.
The people who write negative comments have absolutely no clue - NO clue. as to just how much practice and practice, and more practice has to go into welding.
I am just learning to weld and i dont have the same view of the puddle as you do in these videos,Im right handed and stick weld left to right but its hard to see the puddle sometimes.
hey id like to see some videos on vertical up welding i got nominated to compete in a competition because im one of the top 4 welders at my school and i need some help with my vertical up i need a full walkthrough because what im doing is wayy wrong and if it helps im sub'd a member of your site and all that jazz
Im an Apprentice with Local 433 Ironworkers for Los Angeles and Las Vegas. Im in my 1st welding class. Rusty who is known across the U.S. for being the best damn welder Lincoln ever seen short of having wires and circuit boards, says chip that F@!#$% slag before you start again, dont trap it. IT WILL NOT BURN "THAT LITTLE BIT" OUT. Do this on a highrise, and you'll get your damn check so fast the ink wont be dry when it hits your hand. FIRED! next joe
I'm sorry to hear you joined the iron workers. Rusty wouldn't have survived the oilfield where I live. That little bit of slag is nothing. Good luck. Downhill 6010 will burn that little bit that didn't pop off. Thanks anyway.
look here son i have been welding in iraq on humvees that go outside the wire everday for the last 4 and half years. and that shit wont fly. and by the way learn how to sling a 6010 buddy
Many ?welders, spend years without improving, unfortunatly young apprentices take their words as gospel, this can be a downfall for a lot of apprentices, Rusty may think hes the best, a wanabe, to young men/women entering the craft- watch & learn, dont rely on wanabe's to tell you right and wrong.
Many ?welders, spend years without improving, unfortunatly young apprentices take their words as gospel, this can be a downfall for a lot of apprentices, Rusty may think hes the best, a wanabe, to young men/women entering the craft- watch & learn, dont rely on wanabe's to tell you right and wrong, study hard and practice long..
@THEARKANSASMARINE Buddy really no offense. Every Ironworker only person, I have run into think they are the s... at welding. Maybe on the high rise, I don't know. The best thing to do is to practices every type of welding out there. That way you remain humble, and ready for other jobs when things get slow. The only bad worker is the one who stops being teachable.
@THEARKANSASMARINE meh, i hate but love 6010... so versatile.. but doesnt look good as duel-shield or 7018 no matter how good the welder is..
and as for you sir?
Stop taking ur rage out on youtubers just because your journeyman is a little rough in teaching a lazy, smart ass upstart like you. If you give them patience and respect, your class 1 journeyman will bend over backwards to teach you everything they know.
but if you mouth off to them, good luck learning on your own.
there is all kinds of things wrong with the welding technique. First off, can you see how terrible the fill/hot pass was. Down hill welding with 6010 is a lot easier than up hand welding with 7018. I running out of room so i'll just say this is a terrible example on how to weld pipe. Certainly wouldn't pass a weld test in a refinery or a power plant.
Actually downhill welding usually gives and uphill welder trouble. Rolling out this spool piece with my left hand with a camera over my shoulder made this a little more difficult than you can imagine. You wouldn't find this type of weld in a refinery or a power plant because it is downhill and the pipe line code is lenient when it comes to overall slag. This equipment was done for a mine with no pressure on service but the weld is fine. Thanks anyway.
I am a Local 342 steamfitter/welder. I have welded in powerplant and oil & chemical refineries for 15 years. Code or no code; when you are rolling (which we do in the weld bays in the refineries) your on top, whether rolling it towards you or away it is the same, because your on top. Down hill is easier. We cheat when in the weld bay. Running a down hand root / hot /filler, then an uphill low hydrogen (70 or 8018).
if its virtical your going the wrong way.and thats a filler or cap and your not even going to the toe of your root pass. your not even clean off the flux when you restart and its getting traped under the weld and it would fail for sure
I am running a downhill filler on a pipe spool in a roll out. that rod is cooking and will burn what little slag is left on the stop. you guys that keep commenting on this process need to get in your head that there is more to welding than uphill 3/32" low hy.
i think you need to do some type of technic cuz it looks like your jest feeding the rod in to the weld. i mean I'm not being mean but your welds don't look that good and if your so good you should light that arc faster than that. no offence
Thanks for your comment. There is no need for technique as you might call it. I am turning the roll out with my left hand and welding downhill with my right hand. the arc lights up just fine. How much faster does it need to light up when you strike the material?
im gonna be welding a roll cage in my race car and i bought some 6013 sticks is this good? the cage tubing is 1 3/4 x 58 and just as i started welding the 1/8th inch plate to the floor the arc pool started burning holes through the floor and i kinda ruined it alil what is the better stick for this? im new to arc welding.
check out the American Welding Society, ask them some questions there in the forums. I'd say use 7018 because the "70" means it's tensile strength is 70k lbs. per square inch, so it's stronger than 6013. if you're burning through the metal, try turning the amps down, and possibly going with a smaller electrode.
are you welding on carbon? If so you can use some 3/32" 6010 5P+++++. That should go easily on that type of metal at that thickness. Mig and Tig would be ideal as well.
This is a downhill process and there is very little slag to worry about on the stops. If I was taking a test I may have cleaned it, but for what I am doing I did not have to worry about it and I was running hot.
did this have to actually be up to code quality? I am guessing that it wouldnt be , from the looks of the porosity holes on the top of your weld in the vid.... a section of that same weld cut out wouldnt pass NDT?
There was no code. This is mining equipment. Let me clear this up for you guys. First that is not porosity it is slag on the surface of the weld. Second there is an entire world of downhill pipe welding with its own set of codes and guidelines. In fact the tests for downhill pipeline would crush an uphill pipe hand because it is so unfamiliar to him. Trust me I know because I was at one time just uphill. Downhill is totally legal. That little slag won't phase that rod. Thanks.
This was downhill on a hot amperage using 6010. It is unlikely that I will get any kind of porosity in my starts. Thanks. I know what you are saying though, thanks again!
wow maybe next time on your restarts you could chip out the slag in the crator so u dont get porosity..... just a thought i mean i do weld for a living and i kno wut im talking bout... u just chip the crator and thats it not the welds to protect them try it it helps out a lot
Very nice pipe welding video. I have never welded with an inverter type DC welder, so that may be my missunderstanding, the arc looks and sounds almost like it is running on DC- [straight] polarity. I know you are on DC+ with the E-XX10 rod. The puddle looks so fluid and the arc is "flaring a lot" I am out of practice with the pipe welding long ago with motor-generator DC machines. I have done a lot of non-certified shop pipe welding even with AC and E6011 rods...that's what this arc looks like
Don't put videos on here to show people how to weld when your doing it wrong.Wrong rod angle and way to hot.
Skepticalpete1 1 week ago
Welding is a dirty job
Dectheboner 3 weeks ago
Great video ....
Dflake68 4 weeks ago
you call yourself a welder? too many amps or use a bigger rod the pool is 1 third too big and you are creating too much spatter
wotasod 1 month ago
OMG youtube snow flake is melting!!
KRAYSLiCK999 2 months ago
I wish that were my bead!
tsbrownie 2 months ago
Another worthless video that makes us watch a pretty spark, but no finished weld bead!!! WTF??? Stupid and pointless. Idiots!
ColtDeltaElite10mm 2 months ago
This video makes me wish I was welding right now.
Tanner874 3 months ago 2
amps look to high
lfc011 3 months ago
I think if you leave a slag probably will cause porosity, am I right? This doesn't work well with X-ray process at the oild field. It's the same w/ the guy who mentioned about "if you do it on high rise" he is referring to structural welding.Resutt is very simple "FIRED" once an X-ray will come out w/ a negative result.If we do it right then we keep our job and the good "RigPay" am I right professional welders in the field out there?
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some people tell its not recommended to use down hill cause it looses its bounding effect.......its a fillet weld... right? vertical...
deutchland51 7 months ago
some people tell its not recommended to use down hill cause it looses its bounding effect.......its a fillet weld... right?
deutchland51 7 months ago
Damn....This guy is good
testbooster 7 months ago
Very cool but I wanted to see the finished product! Great anyways.
punishedexistence 8 months ago
all over the place like a mad womans shit
sukmaball 9 months ago
hmm... would be a beeter welder if he cared more about his work and knocked the slag off the ends before starting the next pass
CALI2TEXBOY 9 months ago
As long as you have your 6010 root pipe cert and you know how to fit steel well. You are good to go.
theman4130 10 months ago
im a student in tech for welding loving it my instructor says its bad to do downhill because 1 less pentration and 2 can get fired by doing down hill
rconlowtank 11 months ago
@rconlowtank Yeah at some companies. If you are out on an oil rig you are expected to do a downhill pass like this. And 6010 is something else on its own
theman4130 10 months ago
@theman4130 oh do u know how much they make or if u r a worker on the rigs (tip my hat to ya) how much is the payment
rconlowtank 10 months ago
@theman4130 oh do u know how much the checks r
rconlowtank 10 months ago
@rconlowtank I am headed for the rigs soon. I have heard the checks range around $3000 a week. Not bad eh?!
theman4130 10 months ago
@theman4130 dude that is one hell of a pay check do u go underwater or on the plat form cuz im gonna get tht job when i graduate lol
rconlowtank 10 months ago
@rconlowtank Platform.
theman4130 10 months ago
@theman4130 wow how many years do u need to work on a rig platform
rconlowtank 10 months ago
downhill stick? you get slag inclusion.
1ts0ver9ooo 11 months ago
I have a quick question. I took a welding course a couple of years ago and it involved some pipe welding. I used 6010 for route and hot passes but was always told by the instructor, who is was a veteran 30 year welder, to always use 7018 to cap with. So my question, whats the difference in using 6010 vs 7018 to cap? Thanks for you input.
Boomer8404 1 year ago
i like these vids, and hes down to earth. i wish all the other welder that are always better would make a vid. being a welder myself I dont understand why alot of welders think there always better than the next. Iv seen alot of good young welders the problem is their mouth. big mouth dont make a big man. best welds are teachable ones, and theres a lot to learn. remeber when pride comes, then disgrace, but with humility comes wisodm. proverbs 11:2 mdtread keep it up. blessings
aa77a86 1 year ago
well as a matter of fact i noticed the welder welding the cap was creating arc blow due to his incorrect drag angle. ok for those of you coming to youtube for advice on welding tips tricks and techniques like what i read on another comment study hard and practice everyone has different ways on running a bead whether it be structural or pipe all of you will learn that once spend alot of time in the field
spinesplitter11 1 year ago
thats some good work there my friend. just a noob myself but I respect your work.
theprodigy01uk 1 year ago
try up hill bub, ya wont cover up as much slag
stephenbolinger 1 year ago
I am a CWI and API-510. You're allowed some small amounts of slag inclusions depending on the code you are welding to. It's risky to not chip it before your restart but if the metal is hot, and you long arc a little on the start, then it should burn out with 5P. Just don't try it with 7018.
Depends on the code and the inspector.
johnboy75757 1 year ago
@johnboy75757
Thank you for your post working on my CWI API as well. My concern here is Mtread was or still is selling these videos as instructional. If you watch a lot of his other vids he does not completly tie in and he runs right over his slag on any rod, and some of his tequniques are questionable at best. Mtread if your instructing Why not do it correctly. A lot of very bad habits that inexperienced welders see here could be used that lead to poor techniques and weld failures 4 them
hilo5555 10 months ago
i would like to see a vid like this that shows you putting in the 6010 or p5+ root pass whichever one u use,do u have one?the hot and cover passes are easy part its the root at the 7oclock position that screws me up,[uphill that is]
procuts69 1 year ago
Moses, what type of welding will be done on offshore? Stick, Hiliard, Flux Cord or what?
TheOthniel 1 year ago
you mean stick, Heli arc, Flux core
DMKeatts 1 year ago
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moseseseseses 1 year ago
ive only been welding for a few weeks and i need some tips
theTDGandLPaddict 1 year ago
@theTDGandLPaddict ---Start an NVQ or equiv evening class at local tech and learn how to weld correctly as well as getting a qualification. I've been going for 2 few years now and in my 3rd and consider myself pretty much competent in most positions in stick (MMA) and TIG (TAGS). I've yet to try MIG or MAGS as they call it. The most rewarding though has to be TIG. - good luck mate.....john.
1113562 1 year ago
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@theTDGandLPaddict -- Start an NVQ or equiv evening class at local tech and learn how to weld correctly as well as getting a qualification. I've been going for 2 few years now and in my 3rd and consider myself pretty much competent in most positions in stick (MMA) and TIG (TAGS). I've yet to try MIG or MAGS as they call it. The most rewarding though has to be TIG. - good luck mate.....john.
1113562 1 year ago
no this is downhill with 6010
mdtread 1 year ago
@mdtread what the amp range 4 6010 3/32 i am running off of a 130amp dc welder i know the stinger is hooked to the pos side and the ground hooked to neg side i just need the amp range i think its 80 to 110amps is that right ?
7018welder 1 year ago
@mdtread im currently in a welding class now to pass the test we have to do a stringer bead and a cover pass. its a vertical lap joint. we are also using a 6010 rod. will this work on a lap weld and what kind of output are u running on this weld.
dc0711 1 year ago
@mdtread I am currently near the end of my weld training. I am now in pipe. Is it common to cap with 6010 over 7018. And When I 6010 I use a whipping motion to get that ripple effect, distribute heat and also to clean and preheat the area I about to weld. Is your way a common way in the field, or did you just pick it up as you go.
Spliff1230 1 year ago
are u using 7018 HMR???
DuckHunter450 1 year ago
I am a welding student and have been looking at videos on youtube for a while now, I have to saw the detail if your video is amazing compaired to most I have seen. I can actually tell the difference between the arc and the puddle. what did you use for filming this?
jeffreysanto 1 year ago
What rod were you using? almost looked like a 6010 Cuz of the perosity marks n the way the stick was cracking, JW if it was 6010 or 7018
KonigMannes 1 year ago
"the best welders r n michigan!!!"
fredjijilo 1 year ago
ive always been told that leave the slag on just give it a little chip where u left off,the reason u leave it on is it will protect the rest of the weld and 2 the easier it will chip once it cools a lil bit and retracts then chip it all off when your done,you guys are buncha wankers hating on the guys weld i didnt see a damn thing wrong with it,dont u hate them people that can tell u how to do it but cant do it themselves
procuts69 1 year ago 9
@procuts69 Thank you so much friend for your encouraging words.
The weld is being rolled out as well while the weld is going on.
Kudos to you!!
mdtread 1 year ago
@procuts69 you sir are an idiot, "so I have been told"....gtfo, if you don't do it as a job than stfu. idiot i sware, chip the slag always, any welding inspecter will tell you if you leave slag in your weld its a defect which means you have to grind it out and reweld it NOT trapping any weld, this process is wrong by teaching to leave the slag, you will get fired on a gas line if you do that crap
rondomingez 1 year ago
@rondomingez you are the idiot, i know u dont leave the slag on jackass ,just until u complete the bead then chip it off,what a fucking moron you are ,you completely missed the conversaation or just simply didnt understand
procuts69 1 year ago
@procuts69 As a fast freeze fast cooling rod 6010 has the ability to burn through its own slag, cleaning off your stop start isn't too crucial unless you're running your fills (7018) - though I would agree on any NDT it's worth it to take the precaution and chip it off
killallzombies23 3 months ago
@procuts69 ok would that pass a radiograph test if you kept the slag on ? it wouldnt mate slag always has to come off, causes porosity lad.
lfc011 3 months ago
He has a hard time keeping his rod at a steady depth... Keeps long arcing it for no reason and please don't say it was because you were filling in the weld its cause you probably cant see lol Just saying I think your average...
IxDEVOUTxI 1 year ago
there is one hard thing about pipe welding D: maintaining the angle of the rod during welding.... thats difficult because you move your electrode all the time in a curve
SthealthRaider 1 year ago
Yes, always chip the slag before your restarts!! Don't matter if it is uphill, downhill, under the hill, or over the hill..
owap1 1 year ago
hey arkie,
are you serious. i weld a lot like him. i just passed 87 x rays without a spec of porosity. i know when its okay to burn the trash out. i've been welding for thirty years. i do not NEED to gain experience by watching these vids.but, i watch for any little trick that might make me better. you are never to old to learn. apparently you CAN be too young.
Whitewolf
merryoldehangman 1 year ago 2
Micheal I can't ever say thank you enough for making some of the best dam welding dvds ever. I am constantly going back to them as I am going back to school for some refresher pipe courses. EWveryone I come into contract with wanting to learn to pipe weld both on the internet and in person I recommend you're dvds. I feel like I have to because they have helped me so much. I still say that if I had these dvds in school I would have gone so much further and so much faster.
Thank you
welderman27 1 year ago 3
any vids of the 6gr up mma pipe test?
eljockvis 1 year ago
awesome, im learnig how to do some pipe in my welding class and it is awesome
fleafanflea 1 year ago
nice bead
a3axon 1 year ago
On to constructive critisism (and I understand the given circumstances). One; it wouldve been nice to see fit-up and all passes. Two; the last fill pass, in my opinion, couldve been a touch more uniform and a little more flush. And three; CLEAN THAT DAMN SLAG OFF THE FINISHED PRODUCT!!! From what I could see, you did an excellent job of capping that off. You should uncover your masterpiece and display that bad boy proudly!
8aturner1989 2 years ago 5
Now the differences in reguards to strength between uphill and downhill are the same. As long as the filler metal has an equal tensile strength (givin in PSI) and the weld was put in properly, they will be the same. The only difference would be the depth of fusion into the toe lines of the parent material because during the uphill travel, the arc is in contact to the base metal for a longer period of time.
8aturner1989 2 years ago
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Now back to the gentalman in this video. The code he is working to is also AWS (but only referring to the electrode classification) but mainly going by the API (American Petrolium Institute) section 1104. This code uses only E-6010, E-8010, E-10010 in the downhill position for two main reasons; one, its faster. Two, the E-**10/E-***10 electrodes are very high penetrating cellulose based rods.
8aturner1989 2 years ago
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Now back to the gentalman in this video. The code he is working to is also AWS (but only referring to the electrode classification) but mainly going by the API (American Petrolium Institute) section 1104. This code uses only E-6010, E-8010, E-10010 in the downhill position for two main reasons; one, its faster. Two, the E-**10/E-***10 electrodes are very high penetrating cellulose based rods.
8aturner1989 2 years ago
Now back to the gentalman in this video. The code he is working to is also AWS (but only referring to the electrode classification) but mainly going by the API (American Petrolium Institute) section 1104. This code uses only E-6010, E-8010, E-10010 in the downhill position for two main reasons; one, its faster. Two, the E-**10/E-***10 electrodes are very high penetrating cellulose based rods.
8aturner1989 2 years ago
Because hydrogen can diffuse (migrate/move) through steel at room temperatures. This is why a CWI (Certified Welding Inspector) has to not only inspect the initial weld but return no less than 48 hours later to reinspect it. Even then, once the weldment is placed under load, it can for any remaining hydrogen to diffuse and cause cracking.
8aturner1989 2 years ago
There is, however, an allowable amount of porosity within a weldment (no bigger than 1/32 inch any direction individually or a combined total of 1/8 inch within any one square inch of weld) and the reasoning for this is because of the highly structural shape of a sphere, (which is what porosity looks like) it can actually stop cracks from getting any larger than they are. I know what some people are thinking; "if youre not allowed any cracks, why would there be any"? And I answer.
8aturner1989 2 years ago
If my memory serves me correctly, the ASME boiler/pressure vessal code is section IX (this means 9 for you dumbasses out there) which specifically calls for a low-hydrogen electrode such as E-8018, E-9018, E-11018. These are used because they introduce very low amounts of hydrogen (usually 4-8 ml per 100g of solidified weld metal. This reduces the chance of hydrogen diffusion which can cause craking under load.
8aturner1989 2 years ago
Secondly, he is most certainly running this weld very nicely. Which, Im sure is substantially more than I could EVER say about most of anybody else here and I dont give two shits if you are a boilermaker. Next, as 90mustang kid said, he is welding to a COMPLETLY different code than you "boilermakers" are. Boilermakers weld according to AWS (American Welding Society) and to ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers).
8aturner1989 2 years ago 2
I would just like to clear up a few things for this gentalman. First, to all of you morons on here throwing a shit fit about him not cleaning the crater, he doesnt have to being that it isnt a certification test and that hes using E-6010 which is a very high penetrating electrode in addition with running higher amperages going down hill versus uphill.
8aturner1989 2 years ago 2
And, over in Europe, if you're caught doing ANY uphill roots, they will pull your certs and boot you from the job sight. GUARUNTEED! My question is, how can you be a 3rd year apprentice and not know this? I'm only a year and a half out of high school and I know this for god sake.... What Local are you anyway? What state?
90mustangkid 2 years ago
Downhill is use very rarely in your field only as a patch. But, in other industries such as low-pressure oil and natural gas lines, it's used extensivly. You are mot likly working to an ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers) boiler/pressure vessel code and he is likly to be working to an API (American Petrolium Institute) code. Downhill is also used quite often in Europe for the root. Most of the piping is ran with a downhill root but uphill filler and cap passes.
90mustangkid 2 years ago
stp48; he was welding downhill, quite well I might add, because he was welding to a different code than you. YYou as boilermakers are only ever taught one thing and that's uphill only.
90mustangkid 2 years ago
Im a union boilermaker well 3rd year apprentice i started well before that though 3rd generation on both sides of my family but. We do alot of tube welding inside boilers along with 4 years of welding classes. Im just wondering why you where down hilling that pass? was it to smooth out the lumps that you had from the first pass? we are thought to never down hill unless its thin metal and only run a down hill pass then to get enough metal in there to run a uphill back over it.
stp48 2 years ago
I feel that this is a great video. It lets everyone see the puddle, lets fellow welders know what type of electrode manipulation can be used to cover both edges, solidify the metal, control the heat, how to pause, create uniform bead width, and anything/everything else - I like this video.
The people who write negative comments have absolutely no clue - NO clue. as to just how much practice and practice, and more practice has to go into welding.
These videos are awesome. =)
Xxsyper 2 years ago
Also, what stick and settings?
merkannibal 2 years ago
That's alot of welding time. What duty cycle is your welder?
merkannibal 2 years ago
I am just learning to weld and i dont have the same view of the puddle as you do in these videos,Im right handed and stick weld left to right but its hard to see the puddle sometimes.
MrJoseph1157 2 years ago
@MrJoseph1157 seeing the puddle comes with practice.
brandeis1000 2 years ago
hey id like to see some videos on vertical up welding i got nominated to compete in a competition because im one of the top 4 welders at my school and i need some help with my vertical up i need a full walkthrough because what im doing is wayy wrong and if it helps im sub'd a member of your site and all that jazz
subfreak92 2 years ago
Im an Apprentice with Local 433 Ironworkers for Los Angeles and Las Vegas. Im in my 1st welding class. Rusty who is known across the U.S. for being the best damn welder Lincoln ever seen short of having wires and circuit boards, says chip that F@!#$% slag before you start again, dont trap it. IT WILL NOT BURN "THAT LITTLE BIT" OUT. Do this on a highrise, and you'll get your damn check so fast the ink wont be dry when it hits your hand. FIRED! next joe
THEARKANSASMARINE 2 years ago
I'm sorry to hear you joined the iron workers. Rusty wouldn't have survived the oilfield where I live. That little bit of slag is nothing. Good luck. Downhill 6010 will burn that little bit that didn't pop off. Thanks anyway.
mdtread 2 years ago
look here son i have been welding in iraq on humvees that go outside the wire everday for the last 4 and half years. and that shit wont fly. and by the way learn how to sling a 6010 buddy
goatlover8886 2 years ago
dont get to cocky your a 1st year mdtread is a vetrain welder... obviously got alot of experience with pipe im sure he knows what his doing..
bozzza69 2 years ago 4
don't let it get to you. Thanks though. There all over the web.
mdtread 2 years ago
@TH/EARKANSASMARINE
Many ?welders, spend years without improving, unfortunatly young apprentices take their words as gospel, this can be a downfall for a lot of apprentices, Rusty may think hes the best, a wanabe, to young men/women entering the craft- watch & learn, dont rely on wanabe's to tell you right and wrong.
codafile 1 year ago
=mdtread
Many ?welders, spend years without improving, unfortunatly young apprentices take their words as gospel, this can be a downfall for a lot of apprentices, Rusty may think hes the best, a wanabe, to young men/women entering the craft- watch & learn, dont rely on wanabe's to tell you right and wrong, study hard and practice long..
codafile 1 year ago
@THEARKANSASMARINE Buddy really no offense. Every Ironworker only person, I have run into think they are the s... at welding. Maybe on the high rise, I don't know. The best thing to do is to practices every type of welding out there. That way you remain humble, and ready for other jobs when things get slow. The only bad worker is the one who stops being teachable.
theman4130 10 months ago
@THEARKANSASMARINE meh, i hate but love 6010... so versatile.. but doesnt look good as duel-shield or 7018 no matter how good the welder is..
and as for you sir?
Stop taking ur rage out on youtubers just because your journeyman is a little rough in teaching a lazy, smart ass upstart like you. If you give them patience and respect, your class 1 journeyman will bend over backwards to teach you everything they know.
but if you mouth off to them, good luck learning on your own.
ecsdcmesews 6 months ago
chip those stops and starts,that would never pass a test
trentotv 2 years ago
there is all kinds of things wrong with the welding technique. First off, can you see how terrible the fill/hot pass was. Down hill welding with 6010 is a lot easier than up hand welding with 7018. I running out of room so i'll just say this is a terrible example on how to weld pipe. Certainly wouldn't pass a weld test in a refinery or a power plant.
guitarpilot1 2 years ago
Actually downhill welding usually gives and uphill welder trouble. Rolling out this spool piece with my left hand with a camera over my shoulder made this a little more difficult than you can imagine. You wouldn't find this type of weld in a refinery or a power plant because it is downhill and the pipe line code is lenient when it comes to overall slag. This equipment was done for a mine with no pressure on service but the weld is fine. Thanks anyway.
mdtread 2 years ago
I am a Local 342 steamfitter/welder. I have welded in powerplant and oil & chemical refineries for 15 years. Code or no code; when you are rolling (which we do in the weld bays in the refineries) your on top, whether rolling it towards you or away it is the same, because your on top. Down hill is easier. We cheat when in the weld bay. Running a down hand root / hot /filler, then an uphill low hydrogen (70 or 8018).
guitarpilot1 2 years ago
if its virtical your going the wrong way.and thats a filler or cap and your not even going to the toe of your root pass. your not even clean off the flux when you restart and its getting traped under the weld and it would fail for sure
MrUndergrowth 2 years ago 2
I am running a downhill filler on a pipe spool in a roll out. that rod is cooking and will burn what little slag is left on the stop. you guys that keep commenting on this process need to get in your head that there is more to welding than uphill 3/32" low hy.
mdtread 2 years ago
is your amperage a little high? your bead seems to be like 3 times wider than the electrode
ValanceElectron 2 years ago
cool
stockedmuscle 2 years ago
i think you need to do some type of technic cuz it looks like your jest feeding the rod in to the weld. i mean I'm not being mean but your welds don't look that good and if your so good you should light that arc faster than that. no offence
cam1kay2 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment. There is no need for technique as you might call it. I am turning the roll out with my left hand and welding downhill with my right hand. the arc lights up just fine. How much faster does it need to light up when you strike the material?
mdtread 2 years ago
never DO VERTCAL DOWN WELDS thears no PENO for a roll cage dont do downs allways ups thar harder but u get peno ,,,, and strength
curashpowder123 2 years ago
im gonna be welding a roll cage in my race car and i bought some 6013 sticks is this good? the cage tubing is 1 3/4 x 58 and just as i started welding the 1/8th inch plate to the floor the arc pool started burning holes through the floor and i kinda ruined it alil what is the better stick for this? im new to arc welding.
rebwar08 2 years ago
well it kinda depends on wat position you will be welding in.
cichlidkeeper91 2 years ago
check out the American Welding Society, ask them some questions there in the forums. I'd say use 7018 because the "70" means it's tensile strength is 70k lbs. per square inch, so it's stronger than 6013. if you're burning through the metal, try turning the amps down, and possibly going with a smaller electrode.
dpsnodgrass1215 2 years ago
you
Thehointone 2 years ago
are you welding on carbon? If so you can use some 3/32" 6010 5P+++++. That should go easily on that type of metal at that thickness. Mig and Tig would be ideal as well.
mdtread 2 years ago
Thanks
TheLightningStalker 2 years ago
Any tips for stick welding on thin stuff, like 1/8"?
TheLightningStalker 2 years ago
Try 3/32 7018 it runs a hell of a lot better then 6010 and your weld looks a lot better too since it wont be spattering every where
BioHazrd07 2 years ago
thats because 6010 and 6011 are deep penetrating electrodes. 7018 is what I use in class for that kind of material, I just change the settings.
Gutterboy6969 2 years ago
This is a downhill process and there is very little slag to worry about on the stops. If I was taking a test I may have cleaned it, but for what I am doing I did not have to worry about it and I was running hot.
mdtread 2 years ago
Why would you weld down hill?? It doesnt penetrate well, i cant tell if this is a plate or pipe but i hope you dont pipe weld downhill.
BioHazrd07 2 years ago
did this have to actually be up to code quality? I am guessing that it wouldnt be , from the looks of the porosity holes on the top of your weld in the vid.... a section of that same weld cut out wouldnt pass NDT?
Gutterboy6969 2 years ago
There was no code. This is mining equipment. Let me clear this up for you guys. First that is not porosity it is slag on the surface of the weld. Second there is an entire world of downhill pipe welding with its own set of codes and guidelines. In fact the tests for downhill pipeline would crush an uphill pipe hand because it is so unfamiliar to him. Trust me I know because I was at one time just uphill. Downhill is totally legal. That little slag won't phase that rod. Thanks.
mdtread 2 years ago
when you weld it like that the slag comes into the weld and makes it weaker? or can you weld it like that with those sticks sorry bad english
saku50 2 years ago
This was downhill on a hot amperage using 6010. It is unlikely that I will get any kind of porosity in my starts. Thanks. I know what you are saying though, thanks again!
mdtread 2 years ago
wow maybe next time on your restarts you could chip out the slag in the crator so u dont get porosity..... just a thought i mean i do weld for a living and i kno wut im talking bout... u just chip the crator and thats it not the welds to protect them try it it helps out a lot
jordanniergarth1 2 years ago
I usually do a 5p root going up and fill with 5p down 4118 cap
chickenb0ne 2 years ago
I am using 1/8" rod. May be hard to believe but it is true.
mdtread 2 years ago
Hey Thanks!!
mdtread 2 years ago
its not P1104 its APi1104.
schumley5 2 years ago
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schumley5 2 years ago
If I was working on a pipe line I would use much bigger rod than 1/8" but I'm not on the dreaded pipe line. Thanks
mdtread 2 years ago
you wont get much prduction on a pipeline capping that slow mate
tamegomait 2 years ago
The reason is because the client doesn't care and it is faster to do it that way. There are codes that require downhill welding.
P1104 is known as the pipeline code and uses downhill application.
mdtread 2 years ago
any reason you are not going uphill? i though downhill was an illegal procedure its not a structurally sound
UTMichael 2 years ago
alot of pipe welding with certain sticks gives gud peno and alot fastersuck as 6011 then the cap is up hill
bozzza69 2 years ago
you should have buffed it out so we could see the end result
MageCBC 2 years ago
there is spatter, but it might not be that visible through the welding lens. The rod is either 6010 or 8010
mdtread 2 years ago
i noticed that there is a minimal spatter while ur welding.....how is that...?what is the parent material and what is the rod...?
tatacentro 2 years ago
Hello..i have a question..where i work i weld out pipe..but i cap with a 7018 and this looks like 6010..is their a difference??
MageCBC 3 years ago
Not on this type of welding and especially with fast freeze rods. They are not like using a Low-Hydrogen rod.
mdtread 3 years ago
dont you get alot of slag inclusion by not cleaning the pass before tieing in?
adambreemarie 3 years ago
Three. Root/Hot Pass/Cap
mdtread 3 years ago
how many passes are u doing?
tylerfnshaw 3 years ago
what type of welding are you doing and what material?
mdtread 3 years ago
any tips on vertical stick welding ?
1991mark1991mark 3 years ago
I accidentally deleted your comment
millermatic 250 Sorry.
I am using a Lincoln 185 220volt that has a squarewave in it for aluminum.
I use it for 3 processes.
Tig, Stick and Aluminum.
mdtread 3 years ago
Thank you very much. The downhill process is somewhat smoother due to less whipping and allowing the natural flow of gravity to become your friend.
mdtread 3 years ago
Very controlled for e6010 nice job
dannolibre 3 years ago
tis sounds like 6013 or something ;p can you get more videos like this? very helpfull
jmackmanman 3 years ago
I use a shade 10 Hormel Speedglas usually.
Yes speedglas is spelled correctly.
mdtread 3 years ago
what shade do you where when you are welden
stutest2 3 years ago
exellent vid!! make more :)
konabiker9 3 years ago
Really got a lot out of seeing your stop/starts throughout this Video great stuff!
AussieLou2u 3 years ago
The rod I am using is 6010 5p+++++ It is DC machine.
A Lincoln 185 with the aluminum square wave capability.
The lead is positive and the ground is negative.
Heat is set to about 85 or 90amps
Gap is about a 1/16" and all the welding was done on a roll out going downhill.
mdtread 3 years ago
i usually run E7018s
Ct448 3 years ago
Very nice pipe welding video. I have never welded with an inverter type DC welder, so that may be my missunderstanding, the arc looks and sounds almost like it is running on DC- [straight] polarity. I know you are on DC+ with the E-XX10 rod. The puddle looks so fluid and the arc is "flaring a lot" I am out of practice with the pipe welding long ago with motor-generator DC machines. I have done a lot of non-certified shop pipe welding even with AC and E6011 rods...that's what this arc looks like
alpho52 3 years ago