I've been thinking lately, and I realize that many of the religious people that are commenting on these videos are just trying to push their beliefs, and they will not take in any new information. They operate under the premise that their religion is true, and they will not accept anything different. I realized this the other day when someone I was arguing with said that he wouldn't accept anything that doesn't go with the biblical accounts, no matter what. They don't want a rational discussion.
There is such thing as unconditional love. Just because he hasn't experienced it or know people who have experienced it does not mean it doesn't exist. Secondly, unconditional love is evidence (not proof however, i understand this) because there is nothing evolutionary about unconditional love. The love we have for a spouse is much different thant he love for our children. This love causes us to have only one partner, even kill ourselves if we are deprived of it. How is that evolutionary?
@F012TYF0U12 You shouldn't state something is not part of evolution if you don't know what is evolution, unless you're a kid and don't know how to read yet. If you know how to read, read about evolution then you won't need to make a full statement of why it is not evolution and in the end ask how is that evolutionary. Everybody on youtube will thank you for taking your time studying first then commenting later or not at all.
@praestvs Okay than tell me how Love benefits us evolutionary. Not the love for our children either. These are two seperate emotions. Love makes us stay faithful to one partner, not trying to screw every female we see to increase the herd. If we are deprived of this love some kill themselves. The only argument you can make is that every species have traits that do not benefit them and I would agree. But I still see love as evidence for God.
@F012TYF0U12 told you already, go study. I won't tell you on youtube in a few lines the contents of whole books you should study. you raised the question on evolution, I told you, go read, and you again ask why. go read. maybe it will help on your grammar, on your "okay thAn tell me" and "seperate". it's sad that I'm a foreigner and have better english than you. if you can't write it means you don't read. it's tiresome to discuss with someone weak-minded who read just one book his entire life.
So let me get this straight... God will love you unconditionally unless you don't believe and don't worship him? Seems like there are some conditions there.
To all bible thumpers read these lines from the bible in exact order. (exodus 21:1-26) (Leviticus 25:44-46) (Matthew 5:17-20). Still see if you want to be affiliated with this so called "jesus".
@AwEoMeGuY1 Well first off exodus and leviticus were in the OT and before the teachings of Jesus. Slavery wasn't a moral issue at all. It's just the way things were. They talked about slaves like we talk about owning a car. It was no big deal. It was a very different world back then. Secondly I don't understand the deal about Matthew? What is so terrible about that one? He is telling you to obey the commandments and not lead others astray or you can't enter the kingdom.
@F012TYF0U12 jesus taught people to treat well their slaves, oh nice very noble of him. he should be less of a puss and tell people not to enslave at all. by the way he could have used his time there to teach humanity about the existence of bacteria, that nobody knew existed; also, or to teach about electricity. maybe about thinking, that would've avoided the catholic era over the world most commonly known as the dark ages. in case you didn't get it: the jesus that you know never existed.
@praestvs Could you please quote the Gospels as to where Jesus talked about treating slaves well? And please, everyone knows Jesus existed. The only people who deny is existence are the ignorant and arrogant morons on youtube. Jesus is mentioned many times in historical documents outside the Bible and even outside supports. Ever hear of Josephus? Thallus? How bout Phlegon who comfirmed the darkest hour when Jesus was crucified? I suggest you do some research. You're in over your head.
@F012TYF0U12 dear mr. top mind-warped youtube commentator: At Luke 12:45-48 Jesus had a marvelous opportunity to condemn the institution of slavery and its abuse of slaves. But he is not recorded of having bothered to taken it. He also approves the beating of them on his parable at 47-48. So I was wrong, he didn't say to treat them well, he said to beat them. and AGAIN I'll repeat that the fictitious Jesus you know isn't the Jesus that existed, it doesn't mean I'm saying he didn't exist. got it?
@praestvs Lmao classic argument. Let me guess. You searched google for Jesus approving slavery and some random atheist website gave you that cite? Allow to me to destroy you in this debate. Jesus is telling a story. He is comparing being ready for the return of the Son of Man to a slave waiting for his master's return. If the slave isn't doing what he's told he will be punished. If he is, he'll be rewarded. Jesus isn't stating an opinion or justifying slavery in any way. Pathetic argument.
@F012TYF0U12 there's no return to no sky place with an invisible man, unless you don't understand evolution, which proves we didn't came from mud and a blow. nobody will be rewarded for suffering, and anyone who thinks so I have pity for them. And all your rodeo about slavery is wrong, because jesus never stated this simple thing: SLAVERY IS WRONG, DON'T DO IT. He didn't say it, he knew it was bad to be a slave, didn't ask people to start loving their slaves and free them. You're wrong.
@praestvs Lmao claaassic! Rule number one. If you are losing a debate, correct their grammar. Somebody's getting desperate huh? You seem to be a little agitated too. It's alright man you can't win every debate. Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor as yourself." I'm pretty sure you don't want to see yourself become a slave. So...come on....use your critical thinking skills....there we go...Slavery is wrong.
@F012TYF0U12 you'd be correct if a coin had only one side, or if all people were shallow. since you're simple minded I'll again explain to you a few things you don't get: correcting your grammar was a very clear way to show you that you don't read, and it reflects on your writing, it means you aren't mature on your opinions, it's a warning for you, not an escape from me. trying to say I'm agitated is trying to provoke me, sorry it won't happen. winning a debate? I want to reach truth.. I'm not u
@F012TYF0U12 The only way you can say slavery wasn't a moral issue at that time is by accepting that Jesus didn't know much about morality or that god isn't omniscient, like the mormons approving polygamy and some years later changing their mind in the name of god. Are you sure Jesus couldn't be moral enough to say slavery was wong? he also could have taught us about microbes and electricity, of course, if he knew it would come. Looks like the son of a virgin wasn't the detainer of knowledge.
@praestvs He did tell us slavery was wrong. He said love your neighbor as you love yourself. He was nailed to the cross by people who hated Him, who laughed at His death and yet he looked to His Father and said, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." That is a morality that is far beyond even today's morality. Let my answers soak in for a second before you go off rambling and embarassing yourself again.
@F012TYF0U12 no he didn't say slavery was wrong, he said it is bad to be a slave. you are a witness to the bible like women were in it's stories: women - read uneducated, unreliable. they saw a half-dead man and thought of ressurection. anyway, all you can do is preaching and repeating parts of the bible you chose, that everyone knows and refuses. repeating it won't made anyone's head, you'll have to develop a critical thinking. become a free mason and maybe you'll discover what happened to him.
[Romans 5:8]-"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."I[John 3:16]-"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."IN THE NAME OF JESUS!!!
@MrEmeraldfusion 2 Kings 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
@TheGeneralCritic - Some children were blaspheming a prophet, and were killed for it.Prophets brought God's judgment and had God authority and had power to execute judgment [2Ki 1:10]-"And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I [be] a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty." Amen.
@MrEmeraldfusion There is no context in which SENDING BEARS TO KILL CHILDREN is moral. Your god, if he even exists, is immoral, and you are a disgusting human being for even trying to defend such slaughter.
If you defend infanticide in the name of your god, what WON'T you defend in the name of your god?
@TheGeneralCritic "There is no context" I'll change the context and the scenario ..Lets say you're in Iraq. You're a US soldier you see a young child about 7-12 yrs old. You ask them where is the taliban is, and do they have any information about them, and the child *whisles* and rounds of shoots come out of the bushes starts shooting at you command them cease, but they do not. A comrade says we have to take them out. What do you do in this situation?
@MrEmeraldfusion This is not a defense of your original assertion, this is a Red Herring meant to distract from the main issue: you have just said that it was JUSTIFIED for a prophet of your god to SEND BEARS TO KILL CHILDREN for the crime of MAKING FUN OF HIM!
You are a horrible human being if you honestly think that this was justified.
@TheGeneralCritic -Wait a minute you said "There is no context" so I changed the context and the scenario...What would you do in that situation as a US soldier? Yes, I agreed under those conditions it was justified, and I am basing this on faith.My question was designed to illustrate a point. Can you answer my question?
Again, there is no context in which sending bears to kill children is moral. The 'soldier' question is a Red Herring a non-sequitir. Take responsibility for the immorality of your faith and seek to change it, but don't think changing the 'context and the scenario' absolves you of believing in and following an immoral god and an immoral system.
@MrEmeraldfusion It is immaterial in that you are changing the situation so radically that it bears no resemblance to the original situation. It would be comparing apples and oranges.
The story of the prophet is the story of a man abusing the power given to him and a God who is apparently okay with slaughtering children for the horrendous offense of calling his prophet bald.
The soldier story bears no resemblance, and is still a Red Herring and a non-sequitir.
@TheGeneralCritic - This is what you said "There is no context in which SENDING BEARS TO KILL CHILDREN is moral."-you. I took you at your word of a different context involving a military conflict where children are the opposition...It is not a non-sequitir because I am being consistent to your statement above.I am making a very relevant point, which you have yet to answer...Answer the question.
@TheGeneralCritic PT 2 [Act 5:3]-But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?[Act 5:4]-Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. PT 2
@TheGeneralCritic pt 3 [Act 5:5]-And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
i'm actually glad that the guy said that he believes there aren't any Gods. most atheists seems to want to escape culpability by either saying that there simply isn't any proof of God or saying that the burden of proof is on theists as if they are passively not believing in something: no you're actively believing something else. because when you put it that way, an atheist must actually face the fact they have no evidence either and that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
@fuckyochurro Do you have proof that any of the religions you don't believe in aren't true? Atheism is a lack of belief in god claims. It means I don't believe you and not that I have a belief I put in place of yours.You are an atheist in regards to god beliefs of competing religions. I don't need proof to not believe you. I need proof to believe you. I'm trying to understand your point but why doesn't it apply to you? How do you know you are right and they are wrong?
@fuckyochurro So, you believe in Yeti, pixies, elves, gnomes, succubi, incubi, Zeus, Amon-Re, Quezacotl and Cthulu? You have to, because no one proved they don' exist.
@politicoochie09 Technically, it's the preaching of Christianity that's the scam; Belief in its doctrine (and any kind of paranormal belief, really) is more similar to a cognitive/adjustive disorder and behavioral syndrome.
@atnipjoe unconditional love does not exist really. Have you ever been upset with your children? Of course you have, because children always do something stupid that you don't always aprove of. That disappointment is a negative feeling, and it isn't love. Yes, you may always love them overall, but there will be aspects about them that you won't like.
come on God is the only one who loves you more than anyone in this world! He loves you with all your defects and I'm pretty sure that the only people that love you like Him are your parents but duh! their your parents JUST like God is OUR parent & God even loves atheists too because their STILL His children.I just wonder why is it so hard to have a little bit of faith?! it doesn't hurt anyone! i hope someday you won't regret your choices but...everyone chooses their own paths in this life.
@Pentagon1337 I was adding to your list of how religion faith "don't hurt anyone!"
9/11 was nothing compared to the Crusades, Inquisition and the random "divinely inspired" mass murderings in the holy books like the Bible. I'm sorry you couldn't see that.
@66gt40lm l could see it. But in my personal opinion, 9/11 with almost 3000 deaths is more than enough to show the whole world that religion is the biggest threat to mankind.
Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle. "That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
@tjhombs nope. He requires you to ask forgiveness. if you don't ask for it, how do you expect to be forgiven? that so many people agreed with your post just shows the actual ignorance of many atheists' understanding of theism.
@tjhombs yes He did. see, blood sacrifice was required for forgiveness before the crucifixion. hence, He is the sacrificial lamb, the end to sacrifice. it's not really that complex. if you're not understanding it, it's sheer stubbornness.
@fuckyochurro I understand the fairy tales all too well. After 14 years in Christian schools, I have read various versions of the bible numerous times. I have read and translated the originals as well, and I understand the languages nuances that make the English versions a complete mockery of the originals.
You heard people say- "it will never be found", "it ain't true", "it just can't be".
I'm here to tell you these People are wrong- I found it. Using Google Earth -
I found God's Watermarks of the REAL Garden of Eden. Look at my Channel and see the short Video I made of it. I didn't point all of it out either- there are many things still hid for you to find. There is even a picture of God- come see!
my question is that grandparents love not because of duty or servitude to a young child like a parent does, they love unconditionally regardless of what the child does.
sure you can make an odd case up where the occasional grandparent doesn't abide by these rules, but for the most part, grandparents love their grandchildren unconditionally.
@aylictal I see your point, and i admit my grandmother was an "odd case". Although i am not convinced that love is quite as "unconditional" as you may believe it is. Assuming a normal family where parents love their kids and family and are not "odd cases" like my family, the condition to love them is: it's their family. I would say that probably is just the innate urge to "be there for your kin" that's part of any social living being, simply because of the benefit it brings for the group?
that's the thing. parents are there to nurture and provide because they want to see their children succeed in life.
i don't think it's the same way for grandparents. rather than hoping you succeed, they care more just that you are safe and okay. i don't understand the reasoning behind this because most grandparents don't expect anything out of their grandchildren. this is the unconditional love that i was talking about.
@aylictal Not sure, "back then" when our societies were simpler and no such things as social security and similar existed, grandparents would expect their grand-children to provide them with food and protection when they are getting too old to provide for themselves. All in return for their love, their wisdom, and free babysitting ;).
If you ask me it's part of the bonuses of being a social group. You love and care for your grand-kids, they give you food and a roof above your head in return.
@aylictal But their love isn't necessarily "unconditional"; it could just be conditional, except that your hypothetical grandparents never experience those conditions.
Basically, my argument - and Matt's point - is if you haven't evaluated all the conditions, you can't call something unconditional.
Those who create life have complete and unending responsibility to care for their creations, unconditionally. My children did not ASK to be created. It was the choice of me and my wife to create them. Whatever they do, we will always love them, and never let them come to harm. The use of the word 'love' when speaking of god 'loving' humans but being prepared to roast them eternally is deceitful and nonsensical.
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A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
@thatamazinggeek Name one person who did never deserve the punishement God gave them then I will say You are smart, But really? Not one person who was ever punished by God was not inosent,not one. Nore are you inosent by the way you talk.
@thedutchman01 According to scripture no man nore woman nore child is in hell at all yet,they are in there graves sleeping.There is a diffrence in torture and punishment and that is why there is a jugment day.To be judged of your crimes, this is truth.Jesus christ did more for humans then any man did,he planed his death to die for all human kind. This is so simple,all we need to do is belive he is Gods son,get baptized and follow Gods commandments and follow the testamony of jesus christ=saved.
Second. no proof that the Jesus of the bible existed beyond the bible and written records about a 100 years later.
Third. He was God made flesh, he is now God (according to your scripture). What sacrifice is it to kill yourself off only to become all powerfull? That is not a sacrifice and people should stop thinking it is.
I would kill myself now if I was 100% sure I'd become all powerfull afterwards.
Second. no proof that the Jesus of the bible existed beyond the bible and written records about a 100 years later.
Third. He was God made flesh, he is now God (according to your scripture). What sacrifice is it to kill yourself off only to become all powerfull? That is not a sacrifice and people should stop thinking it is.
I would kill myself now if I was 100% sure I'd become all powerfull afterwards.
@thedutchman01 I think the problem is most people condem God for being God and they do not concentrate on the truth of being saved,its always the torture part,not the saved part.We always talk about the people are going to be tortured and this is judment,except ot or not.But I am here to say get saved from judgment all together.Why not? would a person rather be judged? would a person rather be punished for arrogance? This should be the main toppic.
@thedutchman01 I dont see the diffrence and I am sorry for that,You hate religion but the only religion you all harp on is ours and you know this to be true. You say you dont hate God but you mock him all the same? how can you mock something that does not excist? do you see where I am coming from? All of you mock God,but to you say there is no God,this makes no sence to me at all.If you dont belive then leave it alone all together.You dont save any of us from anything at all.
" but the only religion you all harp on is ours and you know this to be true."
How would you know? Do you know me? Have you seen, read, heard all my discussions I have ever had?
For that stament I call you a liar. You don't know me, so you cannot know this is true or not. (which it ain't btw. I rail just as hard against Islam and other religions)
"You say you dont hate God but you mock him all the same? how can you mock something that does not excist?"
INDEED! How can I mock something that doesnot exist? I donot mock your god. I mock your religion. I simply denie your claim of a god existing. It is not that hard to understand you know. I simply denie that he exists.
"do you see where I am coming from?"
Yes. From ignorance. You simply donot understand what it is I am saying apparently.
"You say you dont hate God but you mock him all the same? how can you mock something that does not excist?"
You just answered your own question there. I donot mock your god. For I say he doesnot exist. Try to understand what that means. To you he might exist, but to me he doesnot. Therefore eventhough you might feel like I am mocking him, in my mind. I'm not. He doesnot exist to me. I donot mock your god. I mock your religion. Try to understand this.
Ignorance yes. You donot understand my point of view. You cannot imagine a world where your god doesnot exist or donot want to imagine it. But I say he doesnot exist. This leads to a completely other way of thinking.
" All of you mock God,but to you say there is no God,this makes no sence to me at all."
Which is why you probably donot understand the difference between, me, and others like me, attacking your god and attacking your religion
@thedutchman01 Now,its crazy really,thease men are here hating us for our love for christ and daming God but they dont relise there is redemption,they also dont hate on other religions,its only us.they dont hate satan worshipers,they dont hate people who worship bala,they dont hate people who worship buda,they only hate us and they only mock us alone,this is arrogance.Futher more I would rather find proof we are the only ones who are hated and this proves truth of God.
@thedutchman01 Every video they show is only bassed on there hate for chrsitains or jews or any one who loves God in the bible.This proves God to us even more and it hurts us all even more becouse we are the only ones who are getting it form the Atheists.Now iuts easy to forgive,its like water down my sleave for me,but it is still more proof there is something going on agienst God and not any one else,and this in its self is proof.
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to be theist is to be a slave to a celestial dictator who supervises and watches your every move which in principle seems highly unlikely; if i were a god with omniscience and omnipresence i wouldn't give a flying fuck about how a bunch of semi evolved chimpanzees will find a way to kill each other today, i think if i were god, i would be infinitely above it and wouldn't give the grime of life struggling about in the thin crust of an ordinary rocky planet orbiting a humdrum star a second thought
@onesweetasuzy I don't refuse it, I don't believe it. If he showed himself to me somehow, I'd believe. He doesn't seem to want to do that though. He knows exactly what it would take but he doesnt show me. Pity I guess.
@onesweetasuzy I said that because that is essentially showing just how unconditial god's suppsedly love is. Just because I dont believe in it doesn't mean I can't comment on it. That's a lovely story though, I guess God likes you more than the starving dying children around the world, no doubt. Congratulations!
@onesweetasuzy I don't claim to be an intellectual, I know little about the world, probably less than you. I am humble enough to admit I do not know if there is a god, but that doesn't mean I will believe just in case like a lot of people do. Let me ask you something; I'm guessing you think God exists because the world is so complex and that it would need a creator for something as beautiful as what it is, right? I'm not saying there is no god, I'm saying I don't believe there is; difference.
@onesweetasuzy if a man puts a gun to a woman and says "give me your money or I will shoot", and the woman doesn't give the man her money, then he kills her, by your logic the woman killed herself; he did not kill her. You are either not very smart or are simply trolling.
@onesweetasuzy God sends me to hell for not believing. He is not good. Please explain to me how that is a good thing to do. Couldn't he just not send me to heaven or hell? Surely not going to paradise is bad enough?
@onesweetasuzy It'snot pride, it is simply having self worth. I am not a piece of garbage if I do not believe in a 2000 year old story about a virgin giving birth to someone who could turn water into wine. The universe is fucking huge, and earth is but a speck of send on the shore of the universe, and people like you have the arrogance to say it was all made for us. Sickening, really. If God seriously cares about whether I believe in him or not he is a very petty, not someone I'd want to worship
@onesweetasuzy "and not go to hell" Pretty sure God sends me there if I don't believe in him, that's not very nice. What if I live my life by the standards Jesus set, but just don't believe he's the son of God? Apparently that's not good enough for the big guy upstairs :/ it's a shame that he is that vain that he needs me to worship him instead of just being a good person.
we must be careful about some of vaccination movments... the farmacy industry is manipulating as much people as the churches. This are billions of dollars in vaccines to prevent invented epidemies. This happend in Brazil last year.. fear. fear. is all they need to control. Churches and corrupt politics only need our fear. And the people pay for confort than. In vaccines, "legal" drugs, or with 10% of all they got.
@onesweetasuzy Just because you SAY that you know, does NOT mean that you actually DO know. You have to actually have to have evidence that support your claims. Let me guess. You got that Harold Morowitz quote from a creationist website? Morowitz was demonstrating a fact about the effects of maximized entropy on a chemical system, not the unlikelihood of life originating in a relatively low entropy environment like the early or even current Earth. You probably don't understand anything about it
You're an idiot of the highest order. No scientific theory states everything came from nothing. Typical creationist idiot, setting up strawmen. You think those odds mean anything? Those odds don't suggest impossibility plus Evolution isn't based on chance, it's based on natural selection. Creation only screams designer because you want it to scream designer. Only a fool cannot accept the science behind the formation of our universe. Many religionists agree with it. Moron.
Do you really think they just picked an explanation from their backsides? That's what the god believers do, they believe there was nothing and then BAM the universe was there. To suggest science is fairy tales is so full of irony.
@onesweetasuzy 1st of all, atheism describes what a person does NOT believe, not necessarily what a person believes. Your whole comment is a straw-man fallacy. 2ndly, science is the best way with which to discover and understand reality, currently. Nothing has even remotely come close (especially religion). I'm not sure if what you say about what scientists say is true, but if it is, it's probably more credible than the arrogant, ignorant assertions of how you think the universe came to be.
"blah blah blah. i'm going to mock everything and talk in circles and keep spouting off the same 'facts' people think are correct and then say things fast and mumble heresy's because i haven't found God yet. blahh blah"
Think of religious people as holding a gun to your head and insisting that you must believe in the easter bunny, even though they themselves admit that easter bunny has provided you no proof that he is real.
I'd say shoot me you fucking miserable christian assholes. I'd rather be dead than dishonest.
haha. sorry for trying to save you from a fate far greater than anything you could EVER imagine.. forgive me, oh wait you must not be able to do that ...?
God: Don't piss him off because he'll torture you forever. If you don't love him back then he'll shove his pitchfork up your ass - we'll he won't, because he's lazy, but Satan will. Don't make God have Satan shove a pitchfork up your ass because he loves you... except if he doesn't - God did say he hated Esau, hardened Pharoah's heart, and sent a strong delusion into the world so people wouldn't believe so God could have Satan shove a pitchfork up their asses.
@idreamtofflight You said it, dude. They should have said unconditional apathy...oh wait, he is said to cause natural disasters. They should have said unconditional hatred...yeah, that's it! God is proven because there is unconditional hatred in the world. There are racists, bigots, and homophobics. THEY must be proof there is a God. How else can we do such terrible things to other people?
@HeavenBound2323 so he picks favourites? awesome. Sounds like a really unbiased guy. Lemme guess, the good atheist who devotes their life to helping the needy goes to hell for what, not bowing and worshiping him? Does not compute, sorry. Infinite punishment for a finite "crime" is complete bullshit. That is not love. Your god is guilty of one of seven deadly sins, it seems ;) he would be an all loving god if he judged people on how they behave, not on whether they believe in him or not.
Right and if you dont wanna be fixed then you will hate your existence and that will be hell. Right now in your delusion that created things and bodily functions can make you happy, you blind yourselves to the fact that shortly u will grow bored with all of this fantasy and the bubble will burst and the booze will run out. You will be in utter depression and pain with no way out....because u rejected ur only hope of eternal bliss.
@idreamtofflight Nah Dumbo, the key is faith in self or faith in God. You choose. Former leads to eternal misery and the latter to eternal bliss. And why would I try to prove anything to anyone who doesnt want to believe?
@j919or .. when did I say I didn't want to believe? I literally just told you if it was proven or if I had some kind of revelation I would believe. That's like you saying "I'd tell you, but I'd have to kill you". Just keep in mind that your "proof" has to be legitimate, not just philosophical arguments.
If you dont accept his love then you reject His love. His love is rescue from your pitiful dark existence. If you reject the rescue attempt you have no excuse but to remain in your dark existence which you will realize was hell from day one. But the finality of it will be misery like a lake of fire.
@j919or how can I reject the love of something I have no proof of/don't believe in? If someone came up to me and told me every single thought I had ever had or something that only an omniscient being knew, and then told me he was God, I'd believe him. Why would god put me in a sitatuion where I'll burn forever in teh first place? Why not just not let me into heaven, surely that's bad enough, considering it's paradise? but no, he sends me to fucking hell to burn forever for simply not believing.
@j919or The condition that you believe God is good is because he TELLS you he's good, in light of the fact he has no problem ordering you to stone unruly children to death or how long you can keep a slave
You don't HAVE to believe, but if you do, you choose to ignore the things God does that should a human do, they're instantly classed as evil
I could tell you I'm good & Jim Smith is evil, unless you find out the truth, you are holding me in the same position of God "I'm good because I say I am"
@strengthinweakness1 1: God is an individual deity, not a Pantheon or "government" of deities
2: God claims responsibility for both good & evil, so in effect, God must stop himself
3: They are rules God commands his followers to obey; even in the Christian bible, these are his rules & therefore, Christians are to follow them
4: God commands "Thou shall not murder" & then proceeds to have over 2 MILLION people killed in his name; hypocrisy is a flaw, so God cannot be "infinite or eternal"
2.God is not responsible for evil, support your assertion
3. Those were rules given to Israel, no one else. The OT was largely a narrative of what was spoken to the Jews. Paul says that now all believers are dead to the law and alive to CHrist.rm7
4. Right and the government can enforce the death penalty for a citizen that takes the life of another, and it justly bombs a warring nation killing 100s. God has the right to kill , we dont.
@strengthinweakness1 1: To the followers of the Abrahamic faiths, not to Buddhists, Hindus, Shintoists, Scientologists or Atheists
2: Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
3: You throw out the Old Testament, so out with it go the 613 Commandments, good job there
4: You say "God has the right to kill," so if I make a religion where I'M the primary deity, I'VE got the right to kill as well; if that's the logic you use, your moral barometer is fucked up
1. They dont believe in God but in the creation as God, hence the pantheism or non theism. Still irrelevant since God whether plural or mono is the ultimate govt
2. Evil is best translated disaster there. See NIV.
3. The commands had a temporary purpose, that has passed
4. The Israel was a govt. Other govts kill with or w/o Gods permission. What is your point?
5. God creates life and God ALONE has the right to take life.
"theres some people youre not going to get through to" yeah and how do YOU not fit in that category? atheists love to think theists are so close-minded, yet they are too.
@HelicalColossus Well I can't speak for all atheists but in general, since atheism is a stance of disbelief due to lack of evidence, that atheists do not fit in to that category as evidence would convince them otherwise. Many might seem close-minded, however, since many arguments for theism is personal anekdotes and in some cases preeching.
@HelicalColossus Show me sufficient evidence that there is a god or that there can be no other explanation than god and I will switch to being a theist. Until then I will keep the position of there not being one (or several).
@Ryxali Have you ever thought that maybe the source of the very concept of God came from colossal altered states of consciousness in early man, and it was because the presence and profoundness of these phenomena that could potentially happen to anyone's consciousness even today that laid the very basis for such concepts as the soul, God, the afterdeath, sprites, angels, entities of various sorts, etc., but somehow has been largely forgotten, and now has been twisted to mean a man in the sky?
@HelicalColossus I know no such thing. New evidence is found for all sorts of claims all of the time. It isn't close-minded or even a position to require evidence before you believe a claim like you seem to think, it's merely the way sane people go about deciphering truth from fiction. It's a method not a belief.
I've been thinking lately, and I realize that many of the religious people that are commenting on these videos are just trying to push their beliefs, and they will not take in any new information. They operate under the premise that their religion is true, and they will not accept anything different. I realized this the other day when someone I was arguing with said that he wouldn't accept anything that doesn't go with the biblical accounts, no matter what. They don't want a rational discussion.
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MrWINNSLAW 1 week ago
There is such thing as unconditional love. Just because he hasn't experienced it or know people who have experienced it does not mean it doesn't exist. Secondly, unconditional love is evidence (not proof however, i understand this) because there is nothing evolutionary about unconditional love. The love we have for a spouse is much different thant he love for our children. This love causes us to have only one partner, even kill ourselves if we are deprived of it. How is that evolutionary?
F012TYF0U12 3 weeks ago
@F012TYF0U12 You shouldn't state something is not part of evolution if you don't know what is evolution, unless you're a kid and don't know how to read yet. If you know how to read, read about evolution then you won't need to make a full statement of why it is not evolution and in the end ask how is that evolutionary. Everybody on youtube will thank you for taking your time studying first then commenting later or not at all.
praestvs 3 weeks ago
@praestvs Okay than tell me how Love benefits us evolutionary. Not the love for our children either. These are two seperate emotions. Love makes us stay faithful to one partner, not trying to screw every female we see to increase the herd. If we are deprived of this love some kill themselves. The only argument you can make is that every species have traits that do not benefit them and I would agree. But I still see love as evidence for God.
F012TYF0U12 2 weeks ago
@F012TYF0U12 told you already, go study. I won't tell you on youtube in a few lines the contents of whole books you should study. you raised the question on evolution, I told you, go read, and you again ask why. go read. maybe it will help on your grammar, on your "okay thAn tell me" and "seperate". it's sad that I'm a foreigner and have better english than you. if you can't write it means you don't read. it's tiresome to discuss with someone weak-minded who read just one book his entire life.
praestvs 2 weeks ago
So let me get this straight... God will love you unconditionally unless you don't believe and don't worship him? Seems like there are some conditions there.
MrClimatize 1 month ago
To all bible thumpers read these lines from the bible in exact order. (exodus 21:1-26) (Leviticus 25:44-46) (Matthew 5:17-20). Still see if you want to be affiliated with this so called "jesus".
AwEoMeGuY1 1 month ago 2
@AwEoMeGuY1 Well first off exodus and leviticus were in the OT and before the teachings of Jesus. Slavery wasn't a moral issue at all. It's just the way things were. They talked about slaves like we talk about owning a car. It was no big deal. It was a very different world back then. Secondly I don't understand the deal about Matthew? What is so terrible about that one? He is telling you to obey the commandments and not lead others astray or you can't enter the kingdom.
F012TYF0U12 3 weeks ago
@F012TYF0U12 jesus taught people to treat well their slaves, oh nice very noble of him. he should be less of a puss and tell people not to enslave at all. by the way he could have used his time there to teach humanity about the existence of bacteria, that nobody knew existed; also, or to teach about electricity. maybe about thinking, that would've avoided the catholic era over the world most commonly known as the dark ages. in case you didn't get it: the jesus that you know never existed.
praestvs 3 weeks ago
@praestvs Could you please quote the Gospels as to where Jesus talked about treating slaves well? And please, everyone knows Jesus existed. The only people who deny is existence are the ignorant and arrogant morons on youtube. Jesus is mentioned many times in historical documents outside the Bible and even outside supports. Ever hear of Josephus? Thallus? How bout Phlegon who comfirmed the darkest hour when Jesus was crucified? I suggest you do some research. You're in over your head.
F012TYF0U12 3 weeks ago
@F012TYF0U12 dear mr. top mind-warped youtube commentator: At Luke 12:45-48 Jesus had a marvelous opportunity to condemn the institution of slavery and its abuse of slaves. But he is not recorded of having bothered to taken it. He also approves the beating of them on his parable at 47-48. So I was wrong, he didn't say to treat them well, he said to beat them. and AGAIN I'll repeat that the fictitious Jesus you know isn't the Jesus that existed, it doesn't mean I'm saying he didn't exist. got it?
praestvs 3 weeks ago
@praestvs Lmao classic argument. Let me guess. You searched google for Jesus approving slavery and some random atheist website gave you that cite? Allow to me to destroy you in this debate. Jesus is telling a story. He is comparing being ready for the return of the Son of Man to a slave waiting for his master's return. If the slave isn't doing what he's told he will be punished. If he is, he'll be rewarded. Jesus isn't stating an opinion or justifying slavery in any way. Pathetic argument.
F012TYF0U12 2 weeks ago
@F012TYF0U12 there's no return to no sky place with an invisible man, unless you don't understand evolution, which proves we didn't came from mud and a blow. nobody will be rewarded for suffering, and anyone who thinks so I have pity for them. And all your rodeo about slavery is wrong, because jesus never stated this simple thing: SLAVERY IS WRONG, DON'T DO IT. He didn't say it, he knew it was bad to be a slave, didn't ask people to start loving their slaves and free them. You're wrong.
praestvs 2 weeks ago
@praestvs Lmao claaassic! Rule number one. If you are losing a debate, correct their grammar. Somebody's getting desperate huh? You seem to be a little agitated too. It's alright man you can't win every debate. Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor as yourself." I'm pretty sure you don't want to see yourself become a slave. So...come on....use your critical thinking skills....there we go...Slavery is wrong.
F012TYF0U12 2 weeks ago
@F012TYF0U12 you'd be correct if a coin had only one side, or if all people were shallow. since you're simple minded I'll again explain to you a few things you don't get: correcting your grammar was a very clear way to show you that you don't read, and it reflects on your writing, it means you aren't mature on your opinions, it's a warning for you, not an escape from me. trying to say I'm agitated is trying to provoke me, sorry it won't happen. winning a debate? I want to reach truth.. I'm not u
praestvs 2 weeks ago
@F012TYF0U12 The only way you can say slavery wasn't a moral issue at that time is by accepting that Jesus didn't know much about morality or that god isn't omniscient, like the mormons approving polygamy and some years later changing their mind in the name of god. Are you sure Jesus couldn't be moral enough to say slavery was wong? he also could have taught us about microbes and electricity, of course, if he knew it would come. Looks like the son of a virgin wasn't the detainer of knowledge.
praestvs 3 weeks ago
@praestvs He did tell us slavery was wrong. He said love your neighbor as you love yourself. He was nailed to the cross by people who hated Him, who laughed at His death and yet he looked to His Father and said, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." That is a morality that is far beyond even today's morality. Let my answers soak in for a second before you go off rambling and embarassing yourself again.
F012TYF0U12 2 weeks ago
@F012TYF0U12 no he didn't say slavery was wrong, he said it is bad to be a slave. you are a witness to the bible like women were in it's stories: women - read uneducated, unreliable. they saw a half-dead man and thought of ressurection. anyway, all you can do is preaching and repeating parts of the bible you chose, that everyone knows and refuses. repeating it won't made anyone's head, you'll have to develop a critical thinking. become a free mason and maybe you'll discover what happened to him.
praestvs 2 weeks ago
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ryanm748 1 month ago
[Romans 5:8]-"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."I[John 3:16]-"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."IN THE NAME OF JESUS!!!
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
@MrEmeraldfusion 2 Kings 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago
@TheGeneralCritic - Some children were blaspheming a prophet, and were killed for it.Prophets brought God's judgment and had God authority and had power to execute judgment [2Ki 1:10]-"And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I [be] a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty." Amen.
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
@MrEmeraldfusion There is no context in which SENDING BEARS TO KILL CHILDREN is moral. Your god, if he even exists, is immoral, and you are a disgusting human being for even trying to defend such slaughter.
If you defend infanticide in the name of your god, what WON'T you defend in the name of your god?
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago
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@TheGeneralCritic "There is no context" I'll change the context and the scenario ..Lets say you're in Iraq. You're a US soldier you see a young child about 7-12 yrs old. You ask them where is the taliban is, and do they have any information about them, and the child *whisles* and rounds of shoots come out of the bushes starts shooting at you command them cease, but they do not. A comrade says we have to take them out. What do you do in this situation?
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
@MrEmeraldfusion This is not a defense of your original assertion, this is a Red Herring meant to distract from the main issue: you have just said that it was JUSTIFIED for a prophet of your god to SEND BEARS TO KILL CHILDREN for the crime of MAKING FUN OF HIM!
You are a horrible human being if you honestly think that this was justified.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago
@TheGeneralCritic -Wait a minute you said "There is no context" so I changed the context and the scenario...What would you do in that situation as a US soldier? Yes, I agreed under those conditions it was justified, and I am basing this on faith.My question was designed to illustrate a point. Can you answer my question?
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
@MrEmeraldfusion Your question is immaterial.
Again, there is no context in which sending bears to kill children is moral. The 'soldier' question is a Red Herring a non-sequitir. Take responsibility for the immorality of your faith and seek to change it, but don't think changing the 'context and the scenario' absolves you of believing in and following an immoral god and an immoral system.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago
@TheGeneralCritic - immaterial? Answer my question... are you afraid because you know it will destroy your argument?
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
@MrEmeraldfusion It is immaterial in that you are changing the situation so radically that it bears no resemblance to the original situation. It would be comparing apples and oranges.
The story of the prophet is the story of a man abusing the power given to him and a God who is apparently okay with slaughtering children for the horrendous offense of calling his prophet bald.
The soldier story bears no resemblance, and is still a Red Herring and a non-sequitir.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago
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@TheGeneralCritic - This is what you said "There is no context in which SENDING BEARS TO KILL CHILDREN is moral."-you. I took you at your word of a different context involving a military conflict where children are the opposition...It is not a non-sequitir because I am being consistent to your statement above.I am making a very relevant point, which you have yet to answer...Answer the question.
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
@TheGeneralCritic PT 2 [Act 5:3]-But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?[Act 5:4]-Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. PT 2
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
@TheGeneralCritic pt 3 [Act 5:5]-And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
i'm actually glad that the guy said that he believes there aren't any Gods. most atheists seems to want to escape culpability by either saying that there simply isn't any proof of God or saying that the burden of proof is on theists as if they are passively not believing in something: no you're actively believing something else. because when you put it that way, an atheist must actually face the fact they have no evidence either and that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
fuckyochurro 1 month ago
@fuckyochurro Do you have proof that any of the religions you don't believe in aren't true? Atheism is a lack of belief in god claims. It means I don't believe you and not that I have a belief I put in place of yours.You are an atheist in regards to god beliefs of competing religions. I don't need proof to not believe you. I need proof to believe you. I'm trying to understand your point but why doesn't it apply to you? How do you know you are right and they are wrong?
NoNeedForGod 1 month ago 2
@fuckyochurro So, you believe in Yeti, pixies, elves, gnomes, succubi, incubi, Zeus, Amon-Re, Quezacotl and Cthulu? You have to, because no one proved they don' exist.
DrStorm81 1 month ago
@fuckyochurro Actually, atheists are facing the fact that there is no evidence to support a belief in any gods.
tjhombs 1 month ago
Christianity is a scam!
politicoochie09 2 months ago
@politicoochie09 Technically, it's the preaching of Christianity that's the scam; Belief in its doctrine (and any kind of paranormal belief, really) is more similar to a cognitive/adjustive disorder and behavioral syndrome.
Ebvardh 2 months ago
you don't believe in unconditional love? do you have children ?
atnipjoe 2 months ago
@atnipjoe unconditional love does not exist really. Have you ever been upset with your children? Of course you have, because children always do something stupid that you don't always aprove of. That disappointment is a negative feeling, and it isn't love. Yes, you may always love them overall, but there will be aspects about them that you won't like.
66gt40lm 2 months ago
@atnipjoe doesnt change the point of the video at all.
itchygonads 2 months ago
I can think of 10 conditions of his 'love'
DJSRF 2 months ago
come on God is the only one who loves you more than anyone in this world! He loves you with all your defects and I'm pretty sure that the only people that love you like Him are your parents but duh! their your parents JUST like God is OUR parent & God even loves atheists too because their STILL His children.I just wonder why is it so hard to have a little bit of faith?! it doesn't hurt anyone! i hope someday you won't regret your choices but...everyone chooses their own paths in this life.
Etena95 2 months ago
@Etena95 Ever heard about the 613 Mitzvot?.... I rest my case
GLANL 2 months ago
@Etena95 I am sorry Etena, but faith has hurt many people and is still hurting people.
Like for example people because of their faith not letting their child be treated medically, for diseases that are curable.
I hope one day you do not regret your choice to have faith in your christian god instead of Vishnu.
Please do not say that sentence again if you come with good intentions. Also please do not invoke pascals wager again.
NathanWubs 2 months ago
@Etena95 ''lt doesn't hurt anyone!''
-points at 9/11 which is caused by religion-
Point. Case.
Pentagon1337 2 months ago
@Pentagon1337 *points to crusades, inquisition, the holy books*
Checkmate.
66gt40lm 2 months ago
@66gt40lm Your point?
Pentagon1337 2 months ago
@Pentagon1337 I was adding to your list of how religion faith "don't hurt anyone!"
9/11 was nothing compared to the Crusades, Inquisition and the random "divinely inspired" mass murderings in the holy books like the Bible. I'm sorry you couldn't see that.
66gt40lm 2 months ago
@66gt40lm l could see it. But in my personal opinion, 9/11 with almost 3000 deaths is more than enough to show the whole world that religion is the biggest threat to mankind.
Pentagon1337 2 months ago 2
@Pentagon1337 True, and it's a modern representation of that threat, so I guess it could be better in that aspect.
66gt40lm 2 months ago
@66gt40lm Don't forget all of the bloodshed from the Protestant-Catholics bombings involving the IRA.
tjhombs 1 month ago
@Etena95 He loves me, but I'm going to hell anyway. Thank you, Jesus! May I have another?
tjhombs 1 month ago 2
God does not love unconditionally. He requires you to worship him, or you go to hell. That's a hell of a condition...
tjhombs 3 months ago 85
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Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle. "That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.
Smithpolly 2 months ago
@tjhombs nope. He requires you to ask forgiveness. if you don't ask for it, how do you expect to be forgiven? that so many people agreed with your post just shows the actual ignorance of many atheists' understanding of theism.
fuckyochurro 1 month ago
@fuckyochurro Actually, it does - he supposedly died for ALL sins.
But, since there is no God, and anyone telling stories about Jesus is either a liar or an idiot, it doesn't really matter.
tjhombs 1 month ago 2
@tjhombs yes He did. see, blood sacrifice was required for forgiveness before the crucifixion. hence, He is the sacrificial lamb, the end to sacrifice. it's not really that complex. if you're not understanding it, it's sheer stubbornness.
fuckyochurro 1 month ago
@fuckyochurro I understand the fairy tales all too well. After 14 years in Christian schools, I have read various versions of the bible numerous times. I have read and translated the originals as well, and I understand the languages nuances that make the English versions a complete mockery of the originals.
tjhombs 1 month ago
@fuckyochurro Amusement at sarcasm is not a misunderstanding.
tjhombs 1 month ago
@tjhombs
No, no, he still loves you, but you're going to hell, because sin cannot be in his presence or something.
Basically, because god is an idiot.
But he loves you anyway - that's why he killed himself for your sins...
It seems complicated, but it's not - it's just completely stupid.
grozde 2 weeks ago
@grozde A god that does not exist cannot love.
"Sin" is defined as something humans don't like.
You are right though - it's not complicated. It's just a fairy tale.
tjhombs 2 weeks ago
@tjhombs You'd think that logic would bring everyone to that conclusion. But, no...
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@strengthinweakness1
1) And that makes your case for God stronger than their case for there's?
2) Meaning? All religions make this good/bad claim.
3) Where is this stated? There was only one commandment clearly abolished in scripture.
4) Point being any religion or individual can make this claim. Not a justification.
5) Proof that God created life? All religious deities "claim" they created life. How do you know which actually did?
jdale1 4 months ago
this is the first episode i've seen that i actually disagree with matt.
matt, if you read this, i'd make the suggestion that a perfect case of unconditional love is the love a grandparent has for their grandchildren.
please respond (or anyone else) if you'd like to counter this suggestion (or argument) ... or anyone else if they really want, i don't mind.
aylictal 4 months ago
@aylictal grandparents love their grandchildren..........because they're their grandchildren lol. Thats the condition.
ballerKMH2 4 months ago
@aylictal My grandmother was an evil bitch. What's your question again?
Dragonsnack73 3 months ago
@Dragonsnack73
my question is that grandparents love not because of duty or servitude to a young child like a parent does, they love unconditionally regardless of what the child does.
sure you can make an odd case up where the occasional grandparent doesn't abide by these rules, but for the most part, grandparents love their grandchildren unconditionally.
aylictal 3 months ago
@aylictal I see your point, and i admit my grandmother was an "odd case". Although i am not convinced that love is quite as "unconditional" as you may believe it is. Assuming a normal family where parents love their kids and family and are not "odd cases" like my family, the condition to love them is: it's their family. I would say that probably is just the innate urge to "be there for your kin" that's part of any social living being, simply because of the benefit it brings for the group?
Dragonsnack73 3 months ago
@Dragonsnack73
that's the thing. parents are there to nurture and provide because they want to see their children succeed in life.
i don't think it's the same way for grandparents. rather than hoping you succeed, they care more just that you are safe and okay. i don't understand the reasoning behind this because most grandparents don't expect anything out of their grandchildren. this is the unconditional love that i was talking about.
aylictal 3 months ago
@aylictal Not sure, "back then" when our societies were simpler and no such things as social security and similar existed, grandparents would expect their grand-children to provide them with food and protection when they are getting too old to provide for themselves. All in return for their love, their wisdom, and free babysitting ;).
If you ask me it's part of the bonuses of being a social group. You love and care for your grand-kids, they give you food and a roof above your head in return.
Dragonsnack73 3 months ago
@aylictal But their love isn't necessarily "unconditional"; it could just be conditional, except that your hypothetical grandparents never experience those conditions.
Basically, my argument - and Matt's point - is if you haven't evaluated all the conditions, you can't call something unconditional.
YaleBreaker 1 month ago
Those who create life have complete and unending responsibility to care for their creations, unconditionally. My children did not ASK to be created. It was the choice of me and my wife to create them. Whatever they do, we will always love them, and never let them come to harm. The use of the word 'love' when speaking of god 'loving' humans but being prepared to roast them eternally is deceitful and nonsensical.
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
unconditional? UNCONDITIONAL!?!?! are you KIDDING! read the bible...
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Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
dejesusluisx 5 months ago
@thatamazinggeek Name one person who did never deserve the punishement God gave them then I will say You are smart, But really? Not one person who was ever punished by God was not inosent,not one. Nore are you inosent by the way you talk.
mystic81006 6 months ago
@mystic81006
Gandhi.
According to the Judeo-Christian faith that man is suffering in hell, purely for not believing in your specific form of god.
There is not a man in reliably recorded history who did more for the advance of peace then that man.
Now if you think that that alone justifies eternal torture, then you are a morally corrupt person and I am done talking to you already.
thedutchman01 5 months ago
@thedutchman01 According to scripture no man nore woman nore child is in hell at all yet,they are in there graves sleeping.There is a diffrence in torture and punishment and that is why there is a jugment day.To be judged of your crimes, this is truth.Jesus christ did more for humans then any man did,he planed his death to die for all human kind. This is so simple,all we need to do is belive he is Gods son,get baptized and follow Gods commandments and follow the testamony of jesus christ=saved.
mystic81006 5 months ago
@mystic81006
First off. I have been baptized.
Second. no proof that the Jesus of the bible existed beyond the bible and written records about a 100 years later.
Third. He was God made flesh, he is now God (according to your scripture). What sacrifice is it to kill yourself off only to become all powerfull? That is not a sacrifice and people should stop thinking it is.
I would kill myself now if I was 100% sure I'd become all powerfull afterwards.
Then I'd really end suffering. Unlike your god.
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@mystic81006
First off. I have been baptized.
Second. no proof that the Jesus of the bible existed beyond the bible and written records about a 100 years later.
Third. He was God made flesh, he is now God (according to your scripture). What sacrifice is it to kill yourself off only to become all powerfull? That is not a sacrifice and people should stop thinking it is.
I would kill myself now if I was 100% sure I'd become all powerfull afterwards.
Then I'd really end suffering. Unlike your god.
thedutchman01 5 months ago
@thedutchman01 I think the problem is most people condem God for being God and they do not concentrate on the truth of being saved,its always the torture part,not the saved part.We always talk about the people are going to be tortured and this is judment,except ot or not.But I am here to say get saved from judgment all together.Why not? would a person rather be judged? would a person rather be punished for arrogance? This should be the main toppic.
mystic81006 5 months ago
@mystic81006
I donot condemn your god. He doesnot exist so how could I condemn him.
I donot hate your god I donot like your god. For the simple reason that I think he doesnot exist.
How can I hate something I think doesnot exist.
I hate religion in general though. But I am betting you won't be able to see the difference between the two.
thedutchman01 5 months ago
@thedutchman01 I dont see the diffrence and I am sorry for that,You hate religion but the only religion you all harp on is ours and you know this to be true. You say you dont hate God but you mock him all the same? how can you mock something that does not excist? do you see where I am coming from? All of you mock God,but to you say there is no God,this makes no sence to me at all.If you dont belive then leave it alone all together.You dont save any of us from anything at all.
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@mystic81006
" but the only religion you all harp on is ours and you know this to be true."
How would you know? Do you know me? Have you seen, read, heard all my discussions I have ever had?
For that stament I call you a liar. You don't know me, so you cannot know this is true or not. (which it ain't btw. I rail just as hard against Islam and other religions)
thedutchman01 5 months ago
@mystic81006
"You say you dont hate God but you mock him all the same? how can you mock something that does not excist?"
INDEED! How can I mock something that doesnot exist? I donot mock your god. I mock your religion. I simply denie your claim of a god existing. It is not that hard to understand you know. I simply denie that he exists.
"do you see where I am coming from?"
Yes. From ignorance. You simply donot understand what it is I am saying apparently.
thedutchman01 5 months ago
@mystic81006
"You say you dont hate God but you mock him all the same? how can you mock something that does not excist?"
You just answered your own question there. I donot mock your god. For I say he doesnot exist. Try to understand what that means. To you he might exist, but to me he doesnot. Therefore eventhough you might feel like I am mocking him, in my mind. I'm not. He doesnot exist to me. I donot mock your god. I mock your religion. Try to understand this.
thedutchman01 5 months ago
"do you see where I am coming from?"
Ignorance yes. You donot understand my point of view. You cannot imagine a world where your god doesnot exist or donot want to imagine it. But I say he doesnot exist. This leads to a completely other way of thinking.
" All of you mock God,but to you say there is no God,this makes no sence to me at all."
Which is why you probably donot understand the difference between, me, and others like me, attacking your god and attacking your religion
thedutchman01 5 months ago
@mystic81006
"If you dont belive then leave it alone all together.You dont save any of us from anything at all. "
We will, when we get the same rights and are not treated like second rate citizens in many countries across the world.
Besides that, we active atheists often see the dangers of religion, we see it as the cancer of this world. And a cancer must always be fought.
You come round our doors preaching this and that, but the moment we lay the smallest bit of criticism on religion it's bad
thedutchman01 5 months ago
@thedutchman01 Now,its crazy really,thease men are here hating us for our love for christ and daming God but they dont relise there is redemption,they also dont hate on other religions,its only us.they dont hate satan worshipers,they dont hate people who worship bala,they dont hate people who worship buda,they only hate us and they only mock us alone,this is arrogance.Futher more I would rather find proof we are the only ones who are hated and this proves truth of God.
mystic81006 5 months ago
@mystic81006 Utter tripe!
WeTheStrange 5 months ago in playlist BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANITY
@thedutchman01 Every video they show is only bassed on there hate for chrsitains or jews or any one who loves God in the bible.This proves God to us even more and it hurts us all even more becouse we are the only ones who are getting it form the Atheists.Now iuts easy to forgive,its like water down my sleave for me,but it is still more proof there is something going on agienst God and not any one else,and this in its self is proof.
mystic81006 5 months ago
@thatamazinggeek And your point is? I find it funny that you dont deny it,but you still choose hell,very funny and stupid.
mystic81006 6 months ago
I wouldn't expect Gods unconditional love to have a rulebook, or a place to teach the rules in the rulebook.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
to be theist is to be a slave to a celestial dictator who supervises and watches your every move which in principle seems highly unlikely; if i were a god with omniscience and omnipresence i wouldn't give a flying fuck about how a bunch of semi evolved chimpanzees will find a way to kill each other today, i think if i were god, i would be infinitely above it and wouldn't give the grime of life struggling about in the thin crust of an ordinary rocky planet orbiting a humdrum star a second thought
JuanchoMan 6 months ago
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flyingscience 6 months ago
@onesweetasuzy I don't refuse it, I don't believe it. If he showed himself to me somehow, I'd believe. He doesn't seem to want to do that though. He knows exactly what it would take but he doesnt show me. Pity I guess.
idreamtofflight 6 months ago
@onesweetasuzy I said that because that is essentially showing just how unconditial god's suppsedly love is. Just because I dont believe in it doesn't mean I can't comment on it. That's a lovely story though, I guess God likes you more than the starving dying children around the world, no doubt. Congratulations!
idreamtofflight 6 months ago
@onesweetasuzy I don't claim to be an intellectual, I know little about the world, probably less than you. I am humble enough to admit I do not know if there is a god, but that doesn't mean I will believe just in case like a lot of people do. Let me ask you something; I'm guessing you think God exists because the world is so complex and that it would need a creator for something as beautiful as what it is, right? I'm not saying there is no god, I'm saying I don't believe there is; difference.
idreamtofflight 6 months ago
@onesweetasuzy if a man puts a gun to a woman and says "give me your money or I will shoot", and the woman doesn't give the man her money, then he kills her, by your logic the woman killed herself; he did not kill her. You are either not very smart or are simply trolling.
idreamtofflight 6 months ago
@onesweetasuzy God sends me to hell for not believing. He is not good. Please explain to me how that is a good thing to do. Couldn't he just not send me to heaven or hell? Surely not going to paradise is bad enough?
idreamtofflight 7 months ago
@onesweetasuzy It'snot pride, it is simply having self worth. I am not a piece of garbage if I do not believe in a 2000 year old story about a virgin giving birth to someone who could turn water into wine. The universe is fucking huge, and earth is but a speck of send on the shore of the universe, and people like you have the arrogance to say it was all made for us. Sickening, really. If God seriously cares about whether I believe in him or not he is a very petty, not someone I'd want to worship
idreamtofflight 7 months ago
@onesweetasuzy "and not go to hell" Pretty sure God sends me there if I don't believe in him, that's not very nice. What if I live my life by the standards Jesus set, but just don't believe he's the son of God? Apparently that's not good enough for the big guy upstairs :/ it's a shame that he is that vain that he needs me to worship him instead of just being a good person.
idreamtofflight 7 months ago
we must be careful about some of vaccination movments... the farmacy industry is manipulating as much people as the churches. This are billions of dollars in vaccines to prevent invented epidemies. This happend in Brazil last year.. fear. fear. is all they need to control. Churches and corrupt politics only need our fear. And the people pay for confort than. In vaccines, "legal" drugs, or with 10% of all they got.
cacasarq 7 months ago in playlist The Atheist Experience
@onesweetasuzy
The irony it burns.
UnknownUserName4267 7 months ago
@onesweetasuzy Just because you SAY that you know, does NOT mean that you actually DO know. You have to actually have to have evidence that support your claims. Let me guess. You got that Harold Morowitz quote from a creationist website? Morowitz was demonstrating a fact about the effects of maximized entropy on a chemical system, not the unlikelihood of life originating in a relatively low entropy environment like the early or even current Earth. You probably don't understand anything about it
Periph1989 7 months ago
@onesweetasuzy put down the bong.
kram83au 7 months ago
@onesweetasuzy
You're an idiot of the highest order. No scientific theory states everything came from nothing. Typical creationist idiot, setting up strawmen. You think those odds mean anything? Those odds don't suggest impossibility plus Evolution isn't based on chance, it's based on natural selection. Creation only screams designer because you want it to scream designer. Only a fool cannot accept the science behind the formation of our universe. Many religionists agree with it. Moron.
UnknownUserName4267 7 months ago
@onesweetasuzy
Do you really think they just picked an explanation from their backsides? That's what the god believers do, they believe there was nothing and then BAM the universe was there. To suggest science is fairy tales is so full of irony.
UnknownUserName4267 7 months ago
@onesweetasuzy. i was going to give my take on your nonsense but i decided against it. if you dont like science , then phuk off.
kram83au 7 months ago
@onesweetasuzy 1st of all, atheism describes what a person does NOT believe, not necessarily what a person believes. Your whole comment is a straw-man fallacy. 2ndly, science is the best way with which to discover and understand reality, currently. Nothing has even remotely come close (especially religion). I'm not sure if what you say about what scientists say is true, but if it is, it's probably more credible than the arrogant, ignorant assertions of how you think the universe came to be.
Periph1989 7 months ago
"blah blah blah. i'm going to mock everything and talk in circles and keep spouting off the same 'facts' people think are correct and then say things fast and mumble heresy's because i haven't found God yet. blahh blah"
liveyourlifeforJC 7 months ago
@liveyourlifeforJC blah blah i'm going to mock atheist and then say that they're mocking everything.
Blah blah i'm going to call these people out for mocking by mocking them.
WOW
BatliciousBatgirl 7 months ago
@BatliciousBatgirl
not mocking, just summarizing what he said. your welcome.
liveyourlifeforJC 7 months ago
@liveyourlifeforJC Nah you sound like your mocking to me. Or at least read that way. I didn't thank you btw.
BatliciousBatgirl 7 months ago
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liveyourlifeforJC 7 months ago
Unconditional love.
Ah, yes... "God must exist because god loves child molesters just as much as good people!"
Wait, what?!
I suddenly don't think I like this "God" very much!
DGneoseeker1 7 months ago
Think of religious people as holding a gun to your head and insisting that you must believe in the easter bunny, even though they themselves admit that easter bunny has provided you no proof that he is real.
I'd say shoot me you fucking miserable christian assholes. I'd rather be dead than dishonest.
aegisgfx 8 months ago
@aegisgfx
this is completely ridiculous.
haha. sorry for trying to save you from a fate far greater than anything you could EVER imagine.. forgive me, oh wait you must not be able to do that ...?
liveyourlifeforJC 7 months ago
@liveyourlifeforJC
Luckily, since your imaginary place where bad people go is all in your mind, I do not need to be saved from it...
aegisgfx 7 months ago
God: Don't piss him off because he'll torture you forever. If you don't love him back then he'll shove his pitchfork up your ass - we'll he won't, because he's lazy, but Satan will. Don't make God have Satan shove a pitchfork up your ass because he loves you... except if he doesn't - God did say he hated Esau, hardened Pharoah's heart, and sent a strong delusion into the world so people wouldn't believe so God could have Satan shove a pitchfork up their asses.
caposton 8 months ago
God: unconditional love.... with conditions.
idreamtofflight 8 months ago 45
@idreamtofflight You said it, dude. They should have said unconditional apathy...oh wait, he is said to cause natural disasters. They should have said unconditional hatred...yeah, that's it! God is proven because there is unconditional hatred in the world. There are racists, bigots, and homophobics. THEY must be proof there is a God. How else can we do such terrible things to other people?
MunkyDrag0n 8 months ago
@idreamtofflight No where in scripture does it say God's love is unconditional to all men, only to his children. You guys are so pathetic.
HeavenBound2323 8 months ago
@HeavenBound2323 so he picks favourites? awesome. Sounds like a really unbiased guy. Lemme guess, the good atheist who devotes their life to helping the needy goes to hell for what, not bowing and worshiping him? Does not compute, sorry. Infinite punishment for a finite "crime" is complete bullshit. That is not love. Your god is guilty of one of seven deadly sins, it seems ;) he would be an all loving god if he judged people on how they behave, not on whether they believe in him or not.
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@idreamtofflight I shall message you.
HeavenBound2323 8 months ago
@idreamtofflight """then he'll fix us -""""
Right and if you dont wanna be fixed then you will hate your existence and that will be hell. Right now in your delusion that created things and bodily functions can make you happy, you blind yourselves to the fact that shortly u will grow bored with all of this fantasy and the bubble will burst and the booze will run out. You will be in utter depression and pain with no way out....because u rejected ur only hope of eternal bliss.
j919or 7 months ago
@j919or prove it or stfu dude, you're going about this all wrong.
idreamtofflight 7 months ago
"with conditions""""
Yeah the condition is that you believe that it is good. Because if you dont believe it is good you will reject and resist it. Of course.
j919or 7 months ago
@j919or I guess I'm not crazy about someone who sends people he "loves" to burn for eternity, call me crazy :)
idreamtofflight 7 months ago
@idreamtofflight Nah Dumbo, the key is faith in self or faith in God. You choose. Former leads to eternal misery and the latter to eternal bliss. And why would I try to prove anything to anyone who doesnt want to believe?
j919or 7 months ago
@j919or .. when did I say I didn't want to believe? I literally just told you if it was proven or if I had some kind of revelation I would believe. That's like you saying "I'd tell you, but I'd have to kill you". Just keep in mind that your "proof" has to be legitimate, not just philosophical arguments.
idreamtofflight 7 months ago
If you dont accept his love then you reject His love. His love is rescue from your pitiful dark existence. If you reject the rescue attempt you have no excuse but to remain in your dark existence which you will realize was hell from day one. But the finality of it will be misery like a lake of fire.
j919or 7 months ago
@j919or how can I reject the love of something I have no proof of/don't believe in? If someone came up to me and told me every single thought I had ever had or something that only an omniscient being knew, and then told me he was God, I'd believe him. Why would god put me in a sitatuion where I'll burn forever in teh first place? Why not just not let me into heaven, surely that's bad enough, considering it's paradise? but no, he sends me to fucking hell to burn forever for simply not believing.
idreamtofflight 7 months ago
@j919or The condition that you believe God is good is because he TELLS you he's good, in light of the fact he has no problem ordering you to stone unruly children to death or how long you can keep a slave
You don't HAVE to believe, but if you do, you choose to ignore the things God does that should a human do, they're instantly classed as evil
I could tell you I'm good & Jim Smith is evil, unless you find out the truth, you are holding me in the same position of God "I'm good because I say I am"
Tarynus 5 months ago
@Tarynus "should a human do, they're instantly classed as evil""
1.Governments can do what individuals cant do.People dont trust the individual bc of the likelihood of no interest for the overall good.
2.God is the ultimate governemnt. God must stop evil. If you hold to it you will go down as well.
3.Slaves and unruly being stoned were laws for Israel. They are not laws for anyone else.
4.God is good bc he made all and He is inifnite and eternal. The infinite and eternal cannot have flaws
strengthinweakness1 5 months ago
@strengthinweakness1 1: God is an individual deity, not a Pantheon or "government" of deities
2: God claims responsibility for both good & evil, so in effect, God must stop himself
3: They are rules God commands his followers to obey; even in the Christian bible, these are his rules & therefore, Christians are to follow them
4: God commands "Thou shall not murder" & then proceeds to have over 2 MILLION people killed in his name; hypocrisy is a flaw, so God cannot be "infinite or eternal"
Tarynus 5 months ago
@Tarynus
1. God is the ultimate authority/government.
2.God is not responsible for evil, support your assertion
3. Those were rules given to Israel, no one else. The OT was largely a narrative of what was spoken to the Jews. Paul says that now all believers are dead to the law and alive to CHrist.rm7
4. Right and the government can enforce the death penalty for a citizen that takes the life of another, and it justly bombs a warring nation killing 100s. God has the right to kill , we dont.
strengthinweakness1 5 months ago
@strengthinweakness1 1: To the followers of the Abrahamic faiths, not to Buddhists, Hindus, Shintoists, Scientologists or Atheists
2: Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
3: You throw out the Old Testament, so out with it go the 613 Commandments, good job there
4: You say "God has the right to kill," so if I make a religion where I'M the primary deity, I'VE got the right to kill as well; if that's the logic you use, your moral barometer is fucked up
Tarynus 5 months ago
@Tarynus
1. They dont believe in God but in the creation as God, hence the pantheism or non theism. Still irrelevant since God whether plural or mono is the ultimate govt
2. Evil is best translated disaster there. See NIV.
3. The commands had a temporary purpose, that has passed
4. The Israel was a govt. Other govts kill with or w/o Gods permission. What is your point?
5. God creates life and God ALONE has the right to take life.
strengthinweakness1 5 months ago
@strengthinweakness1 1: Deities are used to fill the gaps in the unknown, mordern religion clings to the comfort blanket because the truth is scary
2: It's right from the bible you love so much, you can retranslate it all you like to mean wat you want, but it clearly says "evil"
3: Since they've been thrown out, then you can murder people & desire your neighbor's stuff without fear of punishment, Good job there
4: Parents create life, God acts as a bullshit answer to the question of human origin
Tarynus 5 months ago
@idreamtofflight
God - unconditional love, as long as you
Don't love any other god;
Love his son, who was himself;
Don't eat pork or shellfish;
Take Sundays off;
Cut off the foreskin he gave you...
etc. :D.
JMUDoc 7 months ago
@JMUDoc exactly ;D
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RES1ST0R 8 months ago
"theres some people youre not going to get through to" yeah and how do YOU not fit in that category? atheists love to think theists are so close-minded, yet they are too.
HelicalColossus 8 months ago
@HelicalColossus Well I can't speak for all atheists but in general, since atheism is a stance of disbelief due to lack of evidence, that atheists do not fit in to that category as evidence would convince them otherwise. Many might seem close-minded, however, since many arguments for theism is personal anekdotes and in some cases preeching.
Ryxali 8 months ago
@Ryxali whats the point of arguing if you KNOW youre going to keep your position?
HelicalColossus 8 months ago
@HelicalColossus Show me sufficient evidence that there is a god or that there can be no other explanation than god and I will switch to being a theist. Until then I will keep the position of there not being one (or several).
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@Ryxali can you answer the question
HelicalColossus 8 months ago
@Ryxali Have you ever thought that maybe the source of the very concept of God came from colossal altered states of consciousness in early man, and it was because the presence and profoundness of these phenomena that could potentially happen to anyone's consciousness even today that laid the very basis for such concepts as the soul, God, the afterdeath, sprites, angels, entities of various sorts, etc., but somehow has been largely forgotten, and now has been twisted to mean a man in the sky?
Hanahleia 8 months ago
@HelicalColossus Atheists have a very simple requirement for opening their mind to an idea: evidence.
PossessDismiss 8 months ago
@PossessDismiss as i said, theres no point in arguing if you know youre ultimately gonna keep your position
HelicalColossus 8 months ago
@HelicalColossus I know no such thing. New evidence is found for all sorts of claims all of the time. It isn't close-minded or even a position to require evidence before you believe a claim like you seem to think, it's merely the way sane people go about deciphering truth from fiction. It's a method not a belief.
PossessDismiss 8 months ago
@PossessDismiss
"it's merely the way sane people go about deciphering truth from fiction. It's a method not a belief. "
3so youre indirectly calling believers insane and/or stupid
HelicalColossus 8 months ago