Vlog #3 If you have proof, give it to me! I'm listening.

[BigLundi]

I'm an agnostic atheist, not sure why you aren't, since you seem to be in the agnostic atheist's position.

In fact, you ARE an agnostic atheist, you just don't identify yourself as one. If I give you the claim "God exists" do you believe it? It's ok to say, "I don't know." but the simple fact that you're not saying "yes" or any variant of "yes" makes you an atheist. Atheism and theism is a true dichotomy, you beieve, or you don't. There's no 'middle ground' of agnosticism.

[artkozak]

@BigLundi Hey thanx totally great comment! I think you are right.

[mickwillie1]

who made everything?read the first letter of each of these words.

Heaven...Earth.....Noah....Abr­aham...Moses....Elijah....Davi­d......CHRIST.;)

[somuchfortalent]

"There is no proof"

End of video.

[phonepic]

Ben, It seems like you are really searching... the evidence is all around you. God created everything with order (you can even see that in DNA), and God created you to question these things.

Keep searching, I believe you will find.

[RealityGameWorld]

Gods only exist in Games

and as this is only a game , god of a game is not truly even a god

as you would hoped 4

believer go to the reality of hell

and non-beleavers or atheists 4 short

go back too the real world to find out this was only a Game world,,,,God=Dog=and a dog in a way is a beast, so believers just believers in the beast im the ultimate Atheist

[guitarhero666759]

@RealityGameWorld so you don't ever ask yourself why am i here? where did i come from? where did my father and his father and father etc come from? and where will i go after i die? these are things you can't investigate with modern science. and ask your self this question who created this entire universe with billions of planets and stars, how's it logical that a molecule smaller than the tip of a hair created this whole universe and ever planet? and even if true, who created such amazing energy

[DawiddKlix]

Artkozak,

Seeking for proof about God is often confused with scientific, archeological or some deductive process humans undertake to find out the truth about things. God, though is primarily intelligent and therefore able to be evasive.

Secondly, if we should discover God, a supreme owner/ruler over our world, what sort of repercussions, do you think this would have on the general population. How about fear?

For that reason, out of kindness, God chooses to whom He will reveal himself.

[guitarhero666759]

@DawiddKlix All of them--as they surrender unto me--i reward them accordingly. Everyone follows in My path in all respects, O son of Prtha. Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 text 11. God/Krishna reveals himself to those most dear to him and only his pure devotees may fully realize him. Seems the Bible and my Bible(Bhagavad Gita) speak similar wisdom :-)

[x1101011x]

You want proof?

Say a god is anything both omniscient and omnipotent.

Say existence is the set of all possibilities (S).

Then, no god exists:

Suppose G contains all information about S. S also contains G, because S contains everything. S = G

However, since S is everything, then S also must do everything. Without choice, S is not omnipotent.

Therefore, nothing can be both omniscient and omnipotent. ◘

[DawiddKlix]

The trouble is that omnipotence is limited by this "Can God create a stone big enough that he cannot pick up?" The answer is "NO!" Therefore there is a logical impossibility within the concept of Omnipotence. And that just tells us that your premise for the existence of God "Say a god is anything both omniscient and omnipotent" is wrong. The concept of omnipotence omniscience infinity etc has only come to light in the past few or more centuries way after the Bible was written.

[x1101011x]

Could an omnipotent being create a color blue enough that people who look at it spontaneously explode?

The problem is with your question, not with omnipotence.

He could lift any stone at any particular weight, so the phrase "big enough that he cannot pick up" is meaningless, because there is no such size, just as there is no color that causes people to explode.

There's no reason he couldn't affect his own omnipotence, though, deciding that stones weighing w or more are too heavy to lift.

[artkozak]

Thank you for the statement, I would be inclined to agree, considering they all refer to the old testament, with it's Young Earth Creation date. That alone is proven wrong. Please provide details of your claims.

[123eDoGg123]

well the three monotheistic religions have been refuted.. read around

[REZJT]

wouldn't you be an agnostic monotheist because you think there may be a single creator (as opposed to multiple gods aka polytheism) even though you aren't sure?

[artkozak]

It's a bit like asking a vegetarian what type of meat tastes better!

In my profound ignorance, I donnot know what is the gender or the number of what I don't know.

An Atheist would know what god he doesn't believe in. But I am Agnostic. I do not have this knowledge at this time. Thanks for the comment!

[ohmandamp]

No such thing as infallibility. No proof will ever be unquestionable. After all, the whole point of science and reason is to raise questions.

[artkozak]

So 1 + 1 isn't always 2?

But I get what you are saying. You could say there is two types of science. Math, pure reasonning in one's head, does provide unquestionable answers. Other sciences (physics, Biology...) rely on experiments and logic, and Newton was proven wrong by Einstein. So you have a point. It is in fact the method used to analyse the "proof" that should be unquestionable. With a positive result, I would believe, yet leave open the possibility of further questionning.

[DawiddKlix]

"...and Newton was proven wrong by Einstein."

Errr... Don't be so rash about that. Newton was not wrong. That chapter is not closed and nothing Newton did was actually contradicted. We still teach Newton in all schools.

The speed of light and a few ancillaries are still under scrutiny. The Perihelion of Mercury has come under suspicion recently and it is no longer a foundation of Relativity.

You seem quite intelligent, so exercise care in these ideas as well.

[BigLundi]

@artkozak Actually no, 1+1 isn't always 2.

[artkozak]

Regarding the claim that 99% of Atheists are Agnostic, I would to point out the definition of both from the dictionnary:

Atheist: The doctrine that there is no God or gods

Agnosticism: The view that some proposition is not known, and perhaps cannot be known to be true or false

[navimud]

They are not mutually exclusive. You can be a agnostic atheist/ theist as well as a gnostic atheist/ theist (all tough, as a sceptic, I don't think you can have ANY absolute(!) knowledge. That's why I (when forced to) label myself an agnostic atheist).

[navimud]

Clearefication of the terms I used, so we don't misunderstand eachother...

Gnostic = Knowing

Agnostic = Unknowing (Not the same as Agnosticism, which (as far as I understand) = agnostic theist)

Theism = Belief in a deity

Atheism = Lack of belief in a deity

[DawiddKlix]

I'm not sure that there is much sense in stacking these ideas. In fact it makes little sense. What is an Theism Agnostic? Is it a man who does not know about believing in God? And what is then an Atheist Agnostic? Is it a man who doe not know about the lack of belief in God? Such a man would be termed a believer in God!

So, before you attempt to mentor others, make sure your concepts are on par. The author of this video seems to have a sense about this structure. No need for corrections.

[navimud]

I apologise if I came of as trying to "mentor" or trying to correct him. I assure you that was not my intent. I was merely trying to add (maybe unneccesarely) that there are more than one way to be agnostic.

An "agnostic theist" would be a person who believes in god(s), but does not profess absolute certainty and an "agnostic atheist" believes there are no god(s), but similarly does not profess absolute certainty. My point being that it can absolutely be an advantage to define these terms.

[artkozak]

Leprachaunns are much better defined than god.

God isn't necessaraly in the image of man. In Kabbalah, god, the en-sof, about which nothing can be said other than he manifests himself in his creation, is interesting. Because it is clear there is a Universe. The question is was it created?

I'm open to anyone showing me proof of the existence of Leprachaunns, but I have the intuition they don't. I don't have this kind of intuition regarding god. I am agnostic, but I am A-leprachaunnist ;)