Origin of Life - Panspermia

[TheMessanjah]

lies

[gcahn2]

We went to the moon, but didn't explore it very thoroughly. Later we discovered there was ice in some of the craters. How could we not be curious enough to look for spores in that ice?

I would love to check for spores in the ice that is on the moon. Why are we going to Mars before we have explored the moon?

[mtbee9]

The origin of life may or may not be via Panspermia. But the true origin of life would be where that life that seeded the Earth came form. So if Panspermia was true for Earth then it tells us nothing about the origins of wherever that first life came from.

[boblackey1]

@mtbee9 Life may not have had an origin. It's possible, but to me not likely, that life has just always existed as has the uinverse. Sir Fred Hoyle, who was a big of an odd ball but a very smart scientist, leaned toward that view. Hoyle named the Big Bang who never believed the uinverse once didn't exist. As you know, the big bang actually says that matter, energy, time and space (yes space..no place for something to be located) didn't exist before 14.5 billion years ago.

[mtbee9]

@boblackey1 "Life may not have had an origin." Interesting idea but if that were true how does life spread across the universe. If we assume that life started here there would have to be a mechanism for it to travel across space.

You could not rely on evolution to produce beings to create rockets and send of their 'seed' into space. It has been suggested that life can survive in microscopic form in the vacuum of space in which case it could be a possible solution.

[boblackey1]

@mtbee9 Frances Crick (co-discoverer of DNA) thought the rocket idea might be the answer for how life got here on earth. But Fred Hoyle rejected that, said it was too slow and small. To Hoyle life exists on a cosmic scale and probably arrived on earth via comets and space rocks. Indeed Hoyle and one of his Phd students at Cambridge (Wickramisinghe) did a paper claiming interstellar dust is made of bacteria. Most scientists reject that but N.C. Wickramisinghe, Phd still holds the position.

[mtbee9]

@boblackey1 " life exists on a cosmic scale". While I can agree that this is a possibility it is also very feasible that when the conditions for life to start are favorable then life will begin, just like any chemical reaction. Once a self replicating organism exists then evolution comes into play as to how it develops from a simple chemical form to more organized cells, etc.

[boblackey1]

@mtbee9 Life existing on a cosmic scale is what Fred Hoyle and his Phd student Chandra Wickramisinghe wrote in their book "Evolution From Space". I have no idea if that's right. Hoyle and Wickramisinghe caculated that life as it exists on earth has a 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power chance to have formed by chance which is a number they said is "larger than the number of atoms in the universe". So to them, life could not have developed by chance here on earth. No one knows how life began!!!

[mtbee9]

@boblackey1 "life as it exists on earth has a 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power chance to have formed"

I find it amusing that people can calculate the probability of something happening when they don't have all the facts. You have to know how life started before you can work out how likely it is to happen. It could easily be a natural occurrence when the chemical conditions are right. People have calculated an astronomical figure for the probability of god too. Means nothing.

[boblackey1]

@mtbee9 I have the book "Evolution from Space" by Fred Hoyle and one of his Phd students at Cambridge, Chandra Wickramisignhe and without getting it out, I think they used the most simple cell that could be called "alive" to make the caculation 1 to 10 to the 40,000th power. But as the scientist here on this video says: "nobody knows how life began here on earth". Biologist Richard Dawkins said the same in his interview with Ben Stein. So I see you point. Numbers for an unknown event.

[primil91]

Also stating as a matter of "fact" that something is "impossible" demonstrates human ignorance in its highest form, the marvels of the universe will probably never be known entirely, the concept of impossibility is a human invention, nothing more nothing less.

[primil91]

I think that the athiests and religious people need to calm down and agree to disagree, panspermia is an incredibly valid perspective on the origins of life on earth, it cannot just be dismissed because you (religious guys) believe what is written in a somewhat fictional book as literal fact, rather than a metaphorical interpretation as its original intentions most likely were.

[5tonyvvvv]

Panspermia..LOL, what a joke, anything to avoid God right!..lol Homochirality by natural mechanisms is impossible! Life from non life is chemically and mathematically impossible, atheists pushing the problem out in to space answers nothing! Who created the aliens? where did the INFORMATION come from out in space??? Atheist origins have just as much Faith as what Christians believe!!

[ndrthrdr1]

@5tonyvvvv Atheists realize that the beginning of life on Earth is not yet known to us, and examine evidence as it is discovered. We don't just say "Since we don't know everything, we'll latch onto the nearest myth available, close our minds, and pretend that we know that a magical, invisible sky daddy did it. Since learning about all myths past and present would require mental effort, we'll pretend to ourselves that our local myth is, coincidentally, correct." Polly wanna cracker?

[5tonyvvvv]

@ndrthrdr1 Insulting does not help, and Parroting other atheists makes you just as Indoctrinated..Atheists make these claims all the time, and don't give me this crap like abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution, You can't get to evolution until you have the chemistry for the first biochemical living system, all from undirected natural processes! Which is chemically IMPOSSIBLE!! Learn Homochirality!!

[THAREAL125]

anything can be true.. cause we dont know what is

[Poncho151500]

For all anyone knows, this could be true. Stop assuming to know everything, that's the beauty of being human. We're always learning. Think of how far we'd be if everyone was open minded to every possibility.

[nabuchiznasar]

@Poncho151500 ( The only thing im certain off is my own ignorance) socrates" (:

[InsanityShawnBoy]

It's a me! Shawnio!

[brownshoeproductions]

(lol sherri hi)

[brownshoeproductions]

Holy crap why can't everyone just leave each other alone and watch the video? After all, what is YOUTUBE for? ITS NOT FOR SUCH STUPID DEBATES BETWEEN PEOPLE SITTING AT HOME ON THEIR COMPUTERS... just watch the video... it's interesting... you might learn something...?

[MrAndersohn]

this is the only logical answer how so complex system as biosphere could appear on Earth from nothing ...

[Jiggerjinn]

Huh, thought I'd see a bunch of islam and christian asshole fundamentalists here spreading their propaganda. Damn, that's boring.

[Graymoths]

@Jiggerjinn They're over at the videos about evolution.

[ooSTILLMATICoo]

abiotic synthesis > panspermia

[CosmicTruthNow]

Panspermia is the hypothesis that "seeds" of life exist already all over the Universe, that life on Earth may have originated through these "seeds", and that they may deliver or have delivered life to other habitable bodies. Sounds very logical unlike the God theory.

[zapo147]

LOL Saturn had its rings...fail

[KevinVang1000]

If Intelligent Design points towards to a designer, which I am picturing extraterrestrial, does that mean that man didn't have a civilization when the daughters of men came down to mate with us. Because I believe in UFOs which they encounter to ancient text.

One more thing, evolution has been flawed by Creationism because of Natural Selection.

Have fun watching Lee Strobel: Case for a Creator.

[heyawhaw]

evolution has not been flawed

[KevinVang1000]

It has been flawed dude. Here is my question: Why did Darwin doubts his own theory about the human eye?

[CosmicTruthNow]

@KevinVang1000 Darwin did not doubt his theory at all. These supposed claims that he did were created by Creationist to perpetuate their Christian Propaganda.

[JuniorDExchangecore]

@KevinVang1000 Because why, please explain any statement you proclaim.

[KevinVang1000]

Well, if you don't believe my claim, then I have a question for you: How come Richard Dawkins doesn't want to debate against William Lane Craig?

[heyawhaw]

@KevinVang1000

Becaus RD knows that WLC is a glowing moron in the dark about just about anything that RD feels worth debating. And add to that: since WLC have nothing to contribute to the scientific community RD reason that by debating WLC he would legitimize WLC's place in the scientific debate forum and nobody is interested in elevating superstitious nonsense when they already have much better tools to get a better grasp of reality. That's not RD's word but it's his intention.

[pulsexx]

You really think the Bible was written by God, an Infinite Divine Intelligence, who has complete control over time and who would have an infinite amount of time to compose said book.

How ironic that it still contains errors, which is something you would expect if it were written by human beings in a finite amount of time with only a specific amount of time spent on editing.

Shakespeare is better written.

[KevinVang1000]

Did I really say that it was written by God, or man?!?! Please, read my comments again since you misunderstand about me. Man was inspired by God because if God comes down here with us everyday and starts telling you that He's God, would you be annoy by God if he kept on telling you that he is the "man" for 3 weeks? C'mon, would you ever want to here a forever story?

--to be continue on part 2 (not enough space left...)

[pulsexx]

Yeah I would want God to talk to me and give me his guidance and understanding.

Who wouldn't?

[KevinVang1000]

So, you would prefer God to baby you everytime, huh...

Do you want God to come and knock your door everyday and annoys you about his holiness? Choose wisely my friend... O_o

[pulsexx]

You're an idiot because you're defending a God who doesn't exist.

And yes, the early christians did cherish their relationship with Jesus, dumbass.

[KevinVang1000]

Where are your evidence that he doesn't exist? If he doesn't exist, then you will have to deny all of history of mankind about origins since they are not reliable anymore. Let me put it this way: The bible is considered as a history book of man. If you dock one out, it affects the other like domino affect.

If God doesn't exist, then you would have to deny that the pyramids of Giza doesn't exist since that is considered as history as well.

[heyawhaw]

@KevinVang1000

Why don't you prove your claims instead. You make the claims so you have the burden of proof? It would completely impossible to refute every silly religious claim from all around the globe. Can you prove Shiva doesn't exist. Does that mean Shiva exists?

The bible is not considered a history book by anyone else that christians, you dildo! Just you saying it is a history book doesn't make it so. Ask the muslims or the buddhists ...

[KevinVang1000]

Have Shiva ever intervene with the world and died for the world like Jesus?

I just need an answer like yes or no...

I am making a claim that God is real, so as to Jesus Christ as well. In addition, there are no atheist that will give a good arguments about there is no God since all of them gave an epic fail about their arguments. Even the famous Dawkins didn't win against William Lane Craig on a 3 v 3 debate.

If God does not exist, can you disprove the 25000 evidence that supports the bible?

[heyawhaw]

@KevinVang1000

I tell you what you need. You need to substantiate your claims! You need evidence! You need sources for "25000 evidence ". Come back when you have that.

William Lane Craig is just as much an air head as you and he needs substantiate his claims! he need evidences! Just repeating statements does not make them more useful, if you have no evidence to back them up with.

Did I say that Shiva intervened with anything. Straw man alert *ding* *ding* *ding*

[KevinVang1000]

One more thing...I got this from Frank Turek about the 25000 evidence that supports the bible and God as Himself.

[heyawhaw]

@KevinVang1000

You mean this Frank Turek;

google for "frank turek straw man warrior and click the first search hit.

Oh, mmm, very impressive ...

[KevinVang1000]

One more thing, if God doesn't exist, then how can we determine what is good or right...or should I say: Why should we listen to morality when Good or Evil doesn't exist since you make a big claim that God and Satan doesn't exist?

Do you have evidence that God doesn't exist?

Here's an analogy: If you see a painting, would you say that there is a painter? If you say yes, then there is a God. If you say no, then the universe comes from nothing to something, which sounds so delusional...

[pulsexx]

There is no such thing as good or evil, but we can prevent people from doing things we don't want, like stealing our things or killing us.

The universe was created from a quantum fluctuation of the zero point field. It's essence is eternal being or energy which can not be created or destroyed.

Just because something exists doesn't mean it had a conscious mind behind it...

[KevinVang1000]

Qoute: "There is no such thing as good or evil."

Okay, then you cannot say that Hitler is guilty for killing all of those jews. You cannot say that he is right or wrong.

Quote: ", but we can prevent people from doing things we don't want, like stealing our things or killing us."

That is just self-defeating if YOU make a claim that there is no evil or good. For example, if there is no Batman (The hero), then there is no Joker (The villian).

[pulsexx]

How old are you Kevin? It's a common existentialist philosophical standpoint that we define ourselves and that good and evil don't objectively exist.

You're right, Hitler wasn't absolutely evil, he was relatively evil, which is ambiguous.

[CosmicTruthNow]

@KevinVang1000 Real Morality doesn't come from an invisible being it comes from empathy.

[KevinVang1000]

By the way, I have a question:

If there is no God, what is the meaning of life?

If there is no God, what is the meaning of obeying morality since there is no Good or evil?

Who will say that you are a good/evil person when the Moral Giver is not there?

How can the universe could create itself by nothing?

Can you calculate infinite numbers into a formula to define divinity?

[CosmicTruthNow]

@KevinVang1000 Lee Strobel has flawed arguments. Evolution has not been proven false. Stop reading Christian propaganda and leave science to scientist not preachers.

[KevinVang1000]

Go watch Ben Stein vs. Dawkins, lmao!

[heyawhaw]

it's better than the idea of the tooth fairy, santa clause or allah, no doubt.

if somebody can come up with good evidence for this, why not?

[KevinVang1000]

I have the evidence of God.

Here are the questions for you to answer:

Do you know the origins of all laws (moral code, laws of science, etc.) come from?

Can you explain how did the universe began to exist by nothing? (Self-defeating belief system of atheism)

What is the meaning of life and where are we going?

Why should you listen to morality when there is no God or Satan?

How come Richard Dawkins is scared of William Lane Craig?

[pulsexx]

The meaning of life? It's to be alive. The purpose of life? Who could say that there is one?

No, there is no such thing as good or evil, it is all subjective opinion. An alligator isn't good or evil. It just is what it is, and the same applies to murder and marriage.

Why do you think Richard Dawkins is scared? It's usually rather frustrating arguing with people who adhere themselves to an archaic belief system.

[KevinVang1000]

Okay, if there is no good or evil, then you cannot say that rape is wrong because you cannot determine what is right or wrong since there is no moral standards. If I saw you getting ur ass kick on the street, should I come and help you? The answer is no! You know why I shouldn't do it? Because it contradicts atheism to feel the five senses in your body. Therefore, if ur mom gets raped by your dad, you would have to ignore her feelings to become a real, TRUE ATHEISM...

[Acrimonator]

@KevinVang1000 how deep of a pile of steaming troll shit you had dig in to find such non sense...

[KevinVang1000]

Then tell me...what is the chemical formula of conscience?

[Acrimonator]

@KevinVang1000 It's not a chemical reaction. BTW, we don't know yet doesn't mean we have to pull the "god" card or we'd still live in caverns...

[Acrimonator]

@KevinVang1000 you're mixing consciousness and morals... We actually know very well how morals emerged from social behaviour.

[KevinVang1000]

If everything is all subjective, then what Hitler did was right...do you agree?

If you agree, then you made your claim clear.

If you don't agree, then moral values are objective...

[KevinVang1000]

If good and evil does not exist, then so as to freedom which diverge from good and evil ways of choice. If you knock these two out, why not the rest?

C'mon mr. deluded man

[heyawhaw]

no

that's not evidence for what you propose.

that's counter questions.

Anyways

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1) no, I don't know the origins of everything, I have never made such claims,

2) Have I said it came out of nothing? It's you who said that

3) I have no idea, I just enjoy the ride and try to be nice to people.

4) There where flourishing societies in China, South America and the Middle East long before the christians came and hijacked moral codes

5) Scared??? hahaha ... I doubt it, but ask him ;)

[KevinVang1000]

number 4 is a contradiction...

IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE TOPIC OF THE ORIGIN!

1. u act just like Kant

2. Kant has been refuted by Frank Turek

3. Everybody in this world is narrow minded when it comes to believing in something

[CosmicTruthNow]

@KevinVang1000 You are an uneducated fool. Morality comes from empathy. Richard Dawkins is not scared of Craig. There is no meaning of life. Life just is. When we die we go into the ground. Period. The Big Bang created the universe. Duh.

[KevinVang1000]

eh, dawkins was an amateur...he was refuted by craig on a 3 v 3 debate about does God exist.

He's nothing more like Atkins and Hitchens, lmao!

Bunch of amateurs, lmao!

[KevinVang1000]

If the universe did not have a purpose, then what is the meaning of being a good person when there is no purpose of life? If everything is relative, then raping someone is right and wrong at the same time.

1. Moral law originated from a moral giver (Ravi Zecharias)

2. If God does not exist, then so as to the moral law

3. If moral laws do not exist, then we could do whatever we desire to do...which is to kill...

ur choice...

[ericdt7]

Beautiful video! What it does not explain is why it would be acceptable to believe that life started elsewhere, whilst it is agreed upon that the conditions for life to be sparked into being in such a manner is basically a highly unlikely event... (providing the correct environment for 250 some proteins to combine correctly, and this in a setting which would sustain such a "creation"). Thoughts?

[checkthiskid]

this argument to me does not wash, we take it for granted that for life to exist there needs to be water, oxygen etc. this is imply life as we know it but other life forms may need a temp of -200 degrees to survive and not breed, they may eat rocks. very creative thinking but yoy catch my drift

[pulsexx]

Then we would probably see life on other planets, dumbass.