I don't resent men, I'm just glad I wasn't born in Dubai. (-;
yes men made contraceptive pills that fuck with hormones of women. lol Gee thanks. LADIES: have a baby only if you don't have to put it in daycare 40hours per week. Gee guess you need a man to help support you unless you want to pay others to raise your kids whilst you work to feed them in the first place. But it's the sickest "feminists" who put their kids in day care because they have plenty of money.
First and foremost, every movement (including both truth mvmt and men's rights) are spearheaded by the same elites who created the problems in the first place. We need be our own leaders. The answer is not in a mass movement. I'm pretty sure when the system made these problems, they anticipated ppl would join a reactionary mvmt. All this is being steered. It's about the information, the knowledge, we don't need an external mvmt.
@InvisibleMan542 My personal preference is the same as yours on that front. I personally do not wish to be part of an ism. It is more about making your voice heard as an individual. I'm not saying people shouldn't form a men's rights movement (and I'm sure they would anyway). A lot of people do try to steer the youtube commenters in a given direction towards another cause like race issues and the like. They don't need to be elites either, even though they could be. So yes, info.
I've heard them come out and say "if women ran the world, we wouldn't have wars." And I am talking ppl who followed Alan Watt's work (not Watts, Watt, there is a difference). Hard line researchers in other words, *selective* truth seekers. They seek selective truth, not the truth. If we wanna keep the deeper info out there, we have to make ourselves known and put it out there.
Hey, if any truthers, esotericists, who are male-friendly, are out there, give me a shout out. I am pioneering a whole new level of information online that nobody else has put out. The current "truthers" claim objectivity, but the objectivity police only stick their heads in the room when someone defends masculinity, yet, they don't dare comment against anyone promoting matriarchy. In fact, they even make excuses for this behavior "matriarchy isn't about oppressing men" or some shit (cont)
Y r there no male-friendly accts of esoteric knowledge out there? ALL the truth mvmt gurus are promoting matriarchy!?!? The esoteric "truth seekers" are some of the most mangina fuckers out there. They HATE their masculinity, they hate it with a passion. But there is some truth to the esoteric (esoteric just means hidden btw). Perhaps I'm gonna have to be the first person to put a male-friendly interpretation of esoteric knowledge out there.
I only see it as a conspiracy where people have "conspired" together, not a ridiculous one where it's going to take over the world. There have been many critiques and oppositions to feminism, and it is only a limited time before it is denounced. But whenever I hear that it is a plan for world government or it was caused by a shadow government, that is not critique. It is unfortunate how many conspiracy theorists attempt to justify their insanity with the MRM.
@blacktigerpaw1 So what exactly are you saying? That feminists are somehow right to believe that men held so much power in history because they held women back? Are you suggesting that the critique of feminism by MRA's has been refuted or that the MRA is full of conspiracists?
@RockingMrE My apologies for not making myself clear. No, feminists are never right for their insults, and the critique of feminism is justified. I meant that I find it a little concerning how some MRAs are conspiracy theorists and generally ignore the basic facts. Again, my apologies.
Some eople can take their frustrations with feminism to extremes because they have been so badly burnt. In many regards this is understandable. However, it is very important to realise that modern feminism is Marxist driven, and thus has an agenda associated with this school of thought. Research the ideas of Marx, and then look up the links to Feminist theory. I have much info in this regard on my channel and blog. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.
@psic881 The point has never been fully made until people stop looking at history one-dimensionally via feminist theory, and see that it is simply ridiculous to demonise men as inherently evil. Men have always been the ones that are the biggest threat to those in power, and it seems that everyone wants to believe that men are innately corrupt. Think about it.
"Men have always been the ones that are the biggest threat to those in power and it seems that everyone wants to believe that men are innately corrupt. Think about it."
I have said that over and over again for (easily) fifteen years and only had baffled looks from people. Finally somebody who has said the same bloody thing! LOL
BTW the previous comment about head-to-head has a point but misses the outcome that men will win. We will.
@TableWolfMusic Men can win, but we need a cultural revolution. To achieve this we need to take advantage of every avenue of human culture. This is exactly what feminism did, and it's time we used this method against them.
@RockingMrE Do you have examples of such avenues you'd recommend? There is to my mind, an avenue that men have which women do not. Example: Women who opt for child benefits as a payment to negate father child access, replace the father with the state. At this point, men are no longer dealing with an ex partner but a financial harem. Refusal to interact with women on a one-to-one basis removes anything personal & men can work together as men. While such women fall into their own trap.
@TableWolfMusic I'll be making a video about dating in the future. But I made a video called "What Should MRAs Fight for?" which may also prove useful.
@RockingMrE I remember online dating where I spoke to a very hardline feminist around her late 30's who would lose her temper when I asked polite questions about why her profile said she'd prefer older men. She scorned me & said she was my elder & wiser. Meanwhile I sat about laughing with my (unbeknownst to her) best mate, the same age as me, who ignored the messages she sent him. She even followed him onto another dating site, the creep. What a hypocritical has-been hag. LOL
@RockingMrE (cont) Another woman I spoke to was the classic example of a woman who had notched up 40 previous sexual partners (but had lost count). So utterly typical to see those particular women (not all women) shagging around & then, when their biological clock starts ticking in their early to mid thirties, expecting a nice guy with a degree to come along & look after them. Yeah um, lack of discernment much? Somehow I think your dating video will put a big grin on our faces :)
@TableWolfMusic I'm far older than she is at age 52 years. I have heard of on-line dating but would not try it because of the phonies. I have also heard much about old hags like myself dating much younger men and being referred to as "cougars" ugh!!~!. I would not be interested in that sort of person myself so why would women be interested in older men? For one thing, they appear to like women a lot more and there are so many of them. Baby boomers. I like mine H & H.
@AnneFox7 What does H&H mean? Heterosexual & Healthy? Hot & Horny?
Anybody of any adult age can date anybody else of any adult age for all I care. I dont have mandate to know but I'm allowed to ask, so I did. I simply asked her why her profile said that. I only asked her once & I was polite too. That woman I referred to was a "has been hag" simply because her age-range dishonesty was an anti-virtue. She was a hypocrite for chasing after by mate but to this day she doesn't know we know.
@TableWolfMusic You have won. There are billions of the feckless sort of women who you admire and can have at you leisure. See above your dating remarks. Who do you think the forty partners were? I suggest they were very much your sort. Best wishes to find the ones not yet had... stick with your age group please! I understand that you are desperate but I would rather you kept to women of your own kind, rather than fooling some kid.
@AnneFox7 I would genuinely like to follow your comment but I don't understand what you are referring to. Something about feckless women I admire? I don't understand what you mean. It sounds like you see me as some "fly by night cowboy" who has loads of previous partners. I'm really not. And what are you talking about age group? I'm in my early thirties. And I'm not desperate thanks. Is that some attempt at an insult? In fact, I turn women down a fair bit as I'm not "that sort of man".
@AnneFox7 And what on Earth do you mean by, "I would rather you kept to women of your own kind rather than fooling some kid"?
Making me out to be some kiddy-fiddler is lame. Your comments are starting to show signs of trolling. Your false accusations are failsome. Under-age sex is wrong. I'd never have anything to do with it. As for my sticking to "women of my kind"... as per @RockingMrE my personal preference so far in life is that I haven't had loads of partners even though I could.
(ran out of characters) anyway I purpose that the solution isn't to go back to patriarchy but rather promote women's full independance. Where we teach our young women not only that they can do anthing but they also have the responsibility to do everything. While denoncing any kind of reliance on men other than sheer patnership. While on the other side teaching our young males to not promote this kind of self-destructive attitude of validation by being the "damsel in disstress"
while i do agree that men have less of a voice in this new social order. It's men's fault as well as women's. we allowed women to have equal rights without fully realizing the consequences. as a result we have a society of half trues. Woman want independance but still want to be cared for but that's not b/c they're weaker it's b/c they've been socially condisition to think that way not threw conspiracy but rather from two conflicting eras of thinking in short I respect your theory but i disagree
@JPershing1988 You are actually agreeing with me. It is male as protector and provider that men need to break out of by making women responsible for their independence themselves. As for the patriarchy conspiracy part - this is affiliated with the Feminist narrative that men conspired to keep women down, when in fact they wanted to keep them safe to the point of detriment to men, and the generation of an entitlement mentality by women.
@RockingMrE I think the patriarchy conspiracy is too simplistic. I mean how can you talk about the entire history of gender relations in such simple terms? I mean how many diffrent societies have there been in history? Some have been patriarchal, some haven't been at all. The thing is feminists deny the influence woman have had on society, they are part of the system.
1- Interesting attention-grabber by paralleling Marxism and Feminism. 2- I spent 23 years in the military and knew a female captain who loathed feminism. She worked in the pentagon and was involved in logistics during Desert Storm. She told me the reason women were not included in assault forces was logistics. The concern was hygiene in desert field conditions, and female officers agreed in NOT placing women beyond posts lacking basic human "essentials." I admired her. She had girl balls.
Been following your comments (quite by accident) on other vids, particularly Sickmouth and the like. You have an amazing and admirable quality that keeps you focussed on the topic at hand while ignoring or calling out ad hominem attacks. About a year ago I commented to you saying that I believed you were too moderate regarding feminism and that feminists were not interested in "bridging" unless it was to indoctrinate. How do you feel about the dialogue since then? With feminists, I mean. Cheers!
@CJC1295DAC Thanks for the compliment. Glad to see people noticing the tenacity it requires to keep these leftist nutjobs at bay. As for Feminism, I've realised that people like you, and of course Bern, are right on the money when they address Feminism. These bigots are not interested in bridging any gaps unless it works in their favour, and are aggressive towards anyone that doesn't agree with their fascism. I'm done trying to bridge any gaps with the PC crowd, especially on YT.
(cont.) The rudeness of many female workers in customer service has gotten so prevalent that on the occasions I go to a restaurant nowadays I will ahead to ensure I can get a male server. Extreme, perhaps, but I want a pleasant dining experience and frankly don't want to give women my money if it can be avoided. I know that is off topic for this video...
@WarriorBeloved I'm not sure that I can integrate such a topic into a video so easily. Furthermore I tend to only work on video topics that I can prove given that I get so much slack from ad hominem instigators even when I HAVE evidence. In all honesty I haven't really experienced any prevalent poor behaviour of waitresses in my life, though that is not to say that you haven't. I'll do some searches and see what comes up.
@RockingMrE No problem. After I posted and thought about it I figured a topic like that wouldn't quite fit your style. But thanks for responding anyway. Your videos are intelligent and most of all fair and objective. Later!
RockingMrE, I'm so very thankful you are here on YouTube. Could you some day make a video someday regarding the attitudes of men and women working in customer service jobs toward male customers? Jobs like waiting tables, store employees, etc. In my experience I have never been disrespected by a male employee. But women will be disrespectful and unhelpful toward male customers. Not always, but often. It's happened to me and I've seen it happen to other men.
My attitude towards women who believe that some "patriarchy" is the main cause of society's problems should althogether denounce their citizenship in their own country while rejecting any service, product, investment, and contribution that has been created, influenced, and developed by any male.
This would include cars, tv, electricity, housing, food, medical, plumbing and textiles, all which are produced from the industries that are operated by men.
Thank you, RockingMrE, got your invite, hopped in... subscribed!. your videos are well made, articulate and informative. Plus you come off as being... well... intelligent. extremely RARE these days. you discuss the subject with intellectual quality, not just ranting (like I would be), and are therefore convincing and affective. keep up the good work! promote men's rights everywhere!
@mike61524334251 That's the same way I feel. Throughout history, it has been men who have been objectified, exploited, dehumanized, and killed all for the benefit of women. The current so-called "progressive" culture is under no circumstances trying to create equality or free anyone, it is merely a perpetuation of the dehumanization and exploitation of males by creating fictional excuses to continue treating men as disposable objects.
@LeftoverJedi you have described the objective reality as it is. I think more and more of us are waking up to see the truth behind the veil of lies they have been feeding us. maybe we can overturn the situation, slowly.
@strontiumXnitrate The internet and sites like these have been a wonderful gift in that regard, as the traditional methods of silencing men do not work here. I believe men have always suspected that something is not quite right, and the more one stops and actually looks into whats going on, the more disturbing the facts are. I highly recommend Warren Farrel's works if you are not already familiar with them.
@LeftoverJedi Hear hear! The worst thing to happen to feminism has been the unrestricted flow of and access to raw information without any bias or filtering. Ten years ago, feminism could present to the world whatever face it so desired and it would use itself as the reference for any questions. The internet is changing that and is the single greatest threat to this propaganda machine, bar none. Guess who lobbies for the internet "kill switch" and DHS filtering of internet content? w3.now.com
I always thought polyandry was about how mutiple men could satisfy themselves with just one women. I once heard a muslim preacher say the only reason why they do multiple wives is because of population differences that might lead to infanticide.
Though I should add that in your analysis on war casualties, you ignore local civilian casualties, where women will suffer and die as much, and at times (when most men are away in the military) than men.
@Vebinz I Men FIGHT wars, and women and children are CASUALTIES of war when men fail. However, even then male deaths are higher. Hiroshima was hit by a nuclear bomb, and these things have a habit of being indiscriminate - so this was not a reflection on war through the ages by any means. When push comes to shove the burden of fighting ALWAYS falls on men, with men forced or shamed into sacrificing their lives.
I searched for any RockingMrE video to make sure i wouldn't have the same format of video when i start making narrative type videos. But i stayed because it got interesting. Great job on it. How do you edit your videos so it sounds like one continuous recording?
@CJFRANKS7 Cutting video segments and putting them together with an editting tool like Windows Media Maker is how I do it. You can also cut out the visuals and add new images or videos instead. In WMM just move the video to the audio track.
everything you said is true. everything. except the small bit about marxism.
pls read the communist manifesto, or hear it for free here on youtube as an audiobook. its only 90 min long. you'll see what i mean. you can feel good about omitting marx's good name from your next excellent video!
@paragshah2112 I've read the Communist manifesto. Much of the early links to patriarchy came from Engels (there is a link in the info section highlighting this). But remember that much of Marx's work came AFTER the manifesto, and this is where his belief that Capitalism and patriarchy are interlinked can be seen. This was further expanded upon in the Frankfurt School, and later on with philiosophies like postemodernism, which also links back to Marxist thought about patriarchy.
@R we cant blame marx for this current state of affairs. if you read the manifesto, you would see that NOTHING of marx's vision is in policy right now, nor ever has been, and indeed history is repeating itself with the current economic crisis. marx and the oligarcy are diametrically opposed, and the last i checked, the money changers are still in practical god-hood over us. marx is the answer to the oligarchy which is the true culprit behind this odious culture of small-minded woman worship.
@paragshah2112 Blaming Marxism for EVERYTHING is not what I am doing. BUT Marxism is rife with so many logical fallacies I could make a video about them (and I will). Sure the ruling class are too powerful, but anyone that actually understands how a free market operates will see that what we have today is cronyism and kleptocracy. A truly free market devoid of the state is how you stop monopoly. See my vid Crony Capitalism and my vid I am uploading tomorrow.
@R i havent seen ur new vid yet, but the logical fallacy u mention is with the free market. no doubt cronyism is vile, but a free market is just as sinister without it. i can tell u firsthand, that the free market is nothing more than a bloodsport that pits we the people up against eqachother in the most viscious way, at the behest of the oligarchs. every conflict traces back to those bastards. man v woman, gay v straight, citizen v immigrant, on and on, all orchestrated at our expense. (contd)
@R (contd) in my time i have never met a man who has everything absolutely right. never. even the brightest minds have some errs. we have to forgive the small stuff. its not fair to castigate marx, the only champion against the oligarchy which has crushed this planet under its thumb, unless his statements can be taken in context. the framework of his hypothesis is not in place, his own proponents venomously defended against the demonization of men, some of what he said was tongue in cheek, etc.
The main point about Marxism though is that is popularized the idea of revolutionary conflict and of one group permanently and historically oppressing another.
@V yeah, but not men v woman. he said that its the oligarchs v the rest of us, and that all our conflicts among ourselves are orchestrated by those mf-ers.
marx is on our side. he gets a bad rap by the press (which is exclusively owned by the oligarchy) but its bullshit. the framework of his hypothesis is not in place, nor has it ever been. he hypothesizes about that which is or isnt, inside a system which never existed. critics of marx usually attack him by taking his phrases out of context.
You're right he was talking about the "bourgoisie vs proletariate", but again his rhetoric of a historic "exploitation" establishment was taken up by the feminists and re-worked with men and women.
You can't deny that feminists and other 60's leftist groups were heavily influenced by Marx, whether by his actual ideas or their approach.
@RockingMrE If you are looking at Man Woman Myth, I think it is imperitive that you briefly look at the Work of Joseph Cambell briefly on youtube or from his books. I believe this is where the author gets the notion about myth directly to do with man. In fact the work of Joseph Cambell I feel forms a bedrock culturally to do with how we look at societal man. It forms in my view part of the Feminist ethos of hate and paternal misandry!
With you on this one. I highly recommend reading Walter Ong's Fighting for Life: Contest, Sexuality and Consciousness (1981), if you haven't already looked at it.
if your ". ...ideas of how to positively move things forward for men. I have few ideas myself, ... ." include supporting rhetoric as you have demonstrated that you do, from the likes of apeskillssnake then you are clearly deluded.
@babylonIZfallin Dont renege on what you said- weren't you fucking off!! See you are a Pariah, your words count for nothing! Snake tries to dry bite ape- ape feels this- turns around and beats snake to death with a big club. Your focus is pathetic, put your teeth in next time- you have a personal problem if you cant stop this- I will have to start being nasty back!
I like you dude, you should look in to who funded the woman's lib movements, The CIA gave money to activists connected to MS. Magazine, and pretty sure the Rockefellers funded a good part of it with there tax free foundation, the Rockefeller foundation.
I do feel these two had preset Marxist behaviorism from a mile off. The classic Machiavellian and Macabre type techniques to A. emotionally try to hurt you and lead others away. B. try to orchestrate a rift between myself and MrE. Scumbags of the mind the pair of them. This in my view are the types of mental cases that exist psychologically in socialism the left or Institutional types. It is a war of minds in which the enemy will deploy and use strategies of the ignoble and feminine. Soz for MrE
@apekillssnake I think it's important that people who speak up for men's issues don't allow closed-minded people to drag them into arguments. We need to create productive forums where we can bash around ideas of how to positively move things forward for men. I have few ideas myself, but I think I will have to wait for the channel to get a little bigger before I get bold enough to branch out of Youtube.
@RockingMrE Very cool, It vexes me that sensible debate is lacking on youtube especially as men have been so silent for so long. Perhaps they feel intimidated to comment on mens issues having it drummed into them to put up with things the way they are! If only if men got on youtube, subscribed and just commented that they agreed, showing support by numbers that way would be a benefit! I'm adding however if you try to use logic against reptiles on YT you are putting yourself dead in the water!
campaigning for mens rights suggests or implies discrimination of some sort, HOW exactly are men discriminated against? in general terms, that apply to everyday living, without referring to other campaigners that might or might not see or believe that they are discriminated against by men.
On the question of man's place in wars as oppose to females surely the questions why are wars fought at all rather than justifying ones position on the placement of gender within that which is futility ITSELF
@babylonIZfallin You are not going to see male discrimination if you keep yourself locked in your bedroom. What about male discrimination on Youtube, what about everything on television. What about any sector that involves women or the family- you'll see male discrimination. Just because you chose to be unawares of it or it does not find you because you have never been laid- made a baby or had contact with a woman without them feeling sorry for you, does not mean it does not exist for other men!
@apekillssnake APE, thank you for being supportive of me and my channel, but when people act this way the best way is to leave them dig their own graves - I may not say anything all the time but I'm usually aware of what goes on in my comments sections. I know it's hard, but try not to let them get under your skin - sometimes it is better to walk away.
@RockingMrE Cool beans,I do feel however sometimes that after they’ve dug their own graves, laid in it and had all the soil and rocks put on top of them its then good to dig them up, spin their corpses round above my head, do a little dance with their lifeless limbs, then walk away leaving them to the birds. I'd love to see more focused debate in the comments section to actually learn stuff in accordance to the uploads without going off topic, but rather discussion not detraction of mens rights!
@babylonIZfallin After our discussion on this very board and the fact that you have watched enough of my videos to know better than to ask such a question you come up with a comment like this? I usually expect better of you so I can only assume you are going through some sort of difficult time and are fishing for a reaction. If this is at the heart of your attitude I will give you a chance to reconcile yourself and read my block policy. Feel free to PM me - it saddens me to see you act this way.
@RockingMrE I realised after posting the comment that you probably have mentioned many times your perspective on what I asked, no less my question remains and obviously remains unanswered, I have no need to go read any policy you might or might not have created since I became a subscriber, it is your channel and I respect that, though. I did not realise that you where operating a closed shop opinion wise.
I WILL unsubscribe I have no interest in annoying anyone.
Proving if you kill the myth of the male patriarchy- you get all kinds of freaks crawl out of the woodwork and from the underground with ill-formed social behaviorism and abnormalities of the mind which leads to poor socialization and stroppy solipsism in them. It proves my points about the manifestation of fourth wave feminism as a disingenuous order, and the socialist odd-balls trying to corrupt man onto his new path of enslavement! certainly the snakes came out of this one. Rock on MrE.
Yup. Throughout history BOTH genders had their role in order to assure survival of the human species; men had the responsibility to risk/sacrifice their lives for the good of the family or community, while women had more of a support role. These days however, men still have the same responsibilities that they always have, but now women have the OPTION of dabbling into either role and to choose their own role in society.
These two MrE dont know if they are coming or going, they think they are converting you with their nonsense- talk about a pair trying to fog a subject. These two strike me as incredibly lonely, like Kim Jong IL!
@apekillssnake Aww isn't that cute you make assumptions on what other people think while not being able to make any sense of their views. And as for your lonely assumption, I guess you're new to Youtube, but you can have E-mails sent when a reply is made. And with these nifty devices called cellphones you can stay connected to the internet everywhere you go!! And I'm wondering do you wash the feet of Kim Jong IL or something because I'm not sure how you'd know his state of mind. That was to easy
I do find it funny that you think you are in some little game with me, where you believe you are expressing some form of brilliance outwardly- I can tell you've got shit for brains you "Bell end".
I would say there is a sense of subjective objectivity about this weeks subject, no less very interesting and you have certainly stimulated a most positive debate, which is I know, what you are about. Thanks.
I am a white working class hetro-sexual male that has lived through positive discrimination knowing that had I been given such chances how it all could be so different for me then experienced the consequences of that positive discrimination in under qualified employees still venting their bitterness upon those they serve publicly denying ME rights the state gives ALL it's inhabitants, guess what, I ain't bitter it's LIKE wtf ok, in some cases I could at the TIME see it was necessary to attempt.
I always liked the "Patriarchy" scam (because a con it is, of course), when property laws, even in English Common Law, or in Roman Civil Law, banned women...women were still most influential in politics, and businesses of every empire that ever existed. Evidently, according to revisionist "His Story", women didn't have have heads, they just walked around and never spoke. Odd how history always cites the wives with the husbands...
Check out 7:50 in the video here - watch?v=MMX51R3O2XU&feature=feedu
I don't know how you will feel about the rest of the video, but what the girl says at 7:50 (80% of American black children grew up in 2 parent households in 1960) verifies that what we have is an attack upon the family unit (with feminist propaganda being one methodology)
I'm not quite sure about your views regarding single families. Isn't it just a byproduct of increased divorce rates. From what I've heard, more than 50% of marriages in the US end in a divorce. How does radical feminism play a role in this? People just divorce only if things are not working out between them, right? Do you think it's happening more often because of both women and men being stressed from work and kids?
@sid891000 An environment where both parents work, and therefore spend less time with their families, has a part to play. BUT you only need to examine what Feminists lobby for to see that nowhere do they canvas for anything more than rights for women, regardless of men and children being hurt or losing their rights in the process. Modern Feminism perceives the nuclear family as a part of patriarchal oppression, and it took this from Marxism. See my links in the info section.
The influence of the "death jobs" on the gender pay gap is absolutely not relevant.
Much more it is the many women working part time, resulting from their second social engagement in nursery as spending household income (buyin groceries).
Women are certainly not the primary casualities of war, but in fact the most expensive ones. Every society is indivisibly dependend on a stock of fertile females. But only because some people (mainly men) have put...
the value of female lifes over male ones, you can't ignore the history of discrimination women had to suffer in western societies. Like no right to work, have property, vote or to keep money she brings into household. There had been even times scholars where arguing whether they're human or not. But feminism changed from a movement to gain equality for women to a platform to increase political and social influence of women. A product of network society, stuck in monologue.
@TheDruganaut The death jobs are relevant because they pay well, and women statistically flock to jobs indoors, which statistically pay less. I'm not denying women needed more "rights" as society transformed, but men had the burden of protecting women in the past because life was more brutal. It is not simply a case of women being "kept down", though first wave feminism was a good movement for women to say they need more rights now that society is becoming safer. It went downhill from there.
the only reason "chemical birth control" is needed is consequential to either a lack of responsibility on men's part or general ignorance at best, I found it safe to have ejaculative sex in the fortnight following my partners period, not wanting to get her pregnant I did not push it beyond that, thought the 'health profession' will know the finer details of that, only will not divulge such information consequential to self interest from the pharma- 'conspiracy', the only current growth industry.
@babylonIZfallin Believe it or not women can and do lie about being on the pill. Furthermore innovations in the contraceptive market have been extremely beneficial to women when evolving their gender roles in society. But I can see that gradually you#re coming around to the fact that women are not perfect, which is all I am trying to explain. Women are NOT inherent victims, and men are NOT inherent oppressors, both in history or in the present. It is a lie or ignorant to claim otherwise.
@RockingMrE . ...understand that to define others as philosophies previous espoused WILL create disingenuous perceptions, I am often told, "that's very ZEN, that's very TOA, that's Buddhist", to any view I may share and whilst I don't doubt that they where previously espoused by those schools of thought, not knowing that doesn't stop them from being relevant, neither does holding those views make me party to those philosophies.
WE WILL needing to use pieces of what could be perceived as ism.
@RockingMrE gosh MrE what are you saying about misrepresentation with this, ". ...I can see that gradually you#re coming around to the fact that women are not perfect... .", AS though, REALLY, do you think SO little ov ME that you would believe that I believed, that ALL women are perfect.
U miss the POINT obviously and that is WE are HUMAN and that the separation into ism's and schism's ain't assisting us in anyway and that your TIME might be better spent highlighting that... .
@babylonIZfallin You are a long time subscriber, and I'll give you respect accordingly due to this fact. But you did give the impression that men were inherently involved in oppressing women as a whole. If this is not what you feel then that's great - I am happy to hear it. Isms and schisms are sometimes necessary - they are only bad if they are divisive in their aim.
@RockingMrE I "did give the impression that men were inherently involved in oppressing ", yes, they are and that is not to say women are not also similar in that, I actually take the POINT you make here that "Patriarchy" is a "Conspiracy", though it has no relevance to feminism for me, I saw "Patriarchy" as a dominance regardless of femo-marxist-politcolism and yeah in response I could see that REALLY the non femo-females as in 'ordinary' were actually applying a secret matriarchy if you WILL.
@babylonIZfallin It appears we have largely cleared up the differences of opinion. I just feel it is time for men to adapt their roles, like women have. Blaming men for everything and keeping them locked in a cage as provider and protector will do nothing to make the world more peaceful. Men cannot develop their compassion without society refraining from pressurising them into adhering to their old gender role. The trouble is that men are programmed to sacrifice - and this is abused by society.
@RockingMrE I blame no-one other than MYSELF for that which I accept and allow, gender is not actually an issue, though IT seems 2 B SO 4 U, no less, that is your concern, there is only one difference in gender and that is men cannot conceive children, beyond that anything a man can do a woman can do also, proven over TIME.
WE each programme ourselves, that is a fact, not withstanding that that which society and individuals in that accept as normality can effect us if WE allow it to do SO. fanx
@babylonIZfallin a cow or pig has a womb, only man has made women into a deity, something that he is learning to undo! The fact you make the ability to give birth when so many other creatures do it also, special shows you have very little brains and have romantized females, probably thereto of your lack of understanding them!
@babylonIZfallin If its Stalking you Plank shouldn't you not be responding! I think the term you are looking for is incitement if you keep in boxing me! Besides someone has got to pick you up on all the dip-shit statements you make about the VJJ. You don’t bring any value to the topic of men’s rights so you try to be a skinny little detractor. Go and eat a proper meal so your brain can get some nutrition and enable you to think straight!
@apekillssnake "What was it you said about perception being a reflection of self, I'm just trying to think!" exactly I am sadend, though in the end my sadness is that their are those LIKE yourself that cannot understand that which they do to themselves with there continual bickering that has nothing what so ever to do with the issues we where attempting to discuss. Do you really feel clever NOW, I don't.
an interesting thing listening to Warren Farrell, when he speaks of "other oppressed groups" he does not delineate between sexes, this together with his "normality of war" perspective is questionable, that is not to say what he says has no merit only that the real issue is actually LIFE itself and what we accept and allow that to be manifestly rather than it being a gender issue it is larger and that the solution will not be found in his rationale.
Conspiracy theorist = When confronted with empirical evidence or a logical frame work which can not be refuted, a man/women who does not have the capacity or was not taught how to form a rational argument will envoke like a magical spell and then weasel away or continue ad-hominems.
With the same amount of truth to it you can have a "parnoyarchy" conspiracy.
Because mentally stable people feel secure and safe enough, they don't try to change the socium. While mentally unstable people (mostly paranoidal type) tend to try to change socium, and thus seeking power to do so. They feel too threatened and defenceless, so they need any form of "higher power" to hide behind
(higher power = military, political, money, gangs etc.).
@SEThatered Interesting point. It does intrigue me how certain people feel the need to make EVERYONE conform to the "greater good", as though the sacrifice of a few is worth it for the needs of the many. Very strange. This is just typical utilitarian argumentation and it certainly doesn't show a compassion for humanity since this always leads to oppression of liberty, especially since this philosophy goes out the window during times of war when the body count rises to protect the "collective".
I agree with Hillary Clinton. Women have suffered too much during times of war. Its time men stood up and say send only women to war. Us bastard men can stay home and watch the horrors of war on the TV as we sit on the couch and bitch about how oppressed we are so we can finally know what true suffering is. Now where are the twinkies.
@babylonIZfallin LOL... Neither is there Bodhi-tree, Nor yet a mirror bright; Since in reality all is void, Whereon can the dust fall?....Hui Neng (638-713). That really does go beyond the work of Existentialist's, or Maurice Merleau Ponty, but nice try thou!
@babylonIZfallin Just as a woman would like to have sex with a hansome man, i would like to have sex with a beautiful woman. what is so wrong about that ? its fair its equal.
@babylonIZfallin You made a bet based on your ego! So I am calling you out- on just how much more intelligent you are than me, as you say! A bet you cant cash, and the answer is basic-training my friend!
@babylonIZfallin i need to wake up in the arms of a beautiful woman. And perharps a bit of other stuff, more of a sexual nature to obscene to type here. A simple man i am, so simple desires i require.
I don't resent men, I'm just glad I wasn't born in Dubai. (-;
yes men made contraceptive pills that fuck with hormones of women. lol Gee thanks. LADIES: have a baby only if you don't have to put it in daycare 40hours per week. Gee guess you need a man to help support you unless you want to pay others to raise your kids whilst you work to feed them in the first place. But it's the sickest "feminists" who put their kids in day care because they have plenty of money.
queenbeenightly 4 days ago in playlist Favorite Vids
@queenbeenightly I'm not a fan of daycare either.
RockingMrE 3 days ago
First and foremost, every movement (including both truth mvmt and men's rights) are spearheaded by the same elites who created the problems in the first place. We need be our own leaders. The answer is not in a mass movement. I'm pretty sure when the system made these problems, they anticipated ppl would join a reactionary mvmt. All this is being steered. It's about the information, the knowledge, we don't need an external mvmt.
InvisibleMan542 3 weeks ago
@InvisibleMan542 My personal preference is the same as yours on that front. I personally do not wish to be part of an ism. It is more about making your voice heard as an individual. I'm not saying people shouldn't form a men's rights movement (and I'm sure they would anyway). A lot of people do try to steer the youtube commenters in a given direction towards another cause like race issues and the like. They don't need to be elites either, even though they could be. So yes, info.
TableWolfMusic 1 week ago
I've heard them come out and say "if women ran the world, we wouldn't have wars." And I am talking ppl who followed Alan Watt's work (not Watts, Watt, there is a difference). Hard line researchers in other words, *selective* truth seekers. They seek selective truth, not the truth. If we wanna keep the deeper info out there, we have to make ourselves known and put it out there.
InvisibleMan542 3 weeks ago
Hey, if any truthers, esotericists, who are male-friendly, are out there, give me a shout out. I am pioneering a whole new level of information online that nobody else has put out. The current "truthers" claim objectivity, but the objectivity police only stick their heads in the room when someone defends masculinity, yet, they don't dare comment against anyone promoting matriarchy. In fact, they even make excuses for this behavior "matriarchy isn't about oppressing men" or some shit (cont)
InvisibleMan542 3 weeks ago
Y r there no male-friendly accts of esoteric knowledge out there? ALL the truth mvmt gurus are promoting matriarchy!?!? The esoteric "truth seekers" are some of the most mangina fuckers out there. They HATE their masculinity, they hate it with a passion. But there is some truth to the esoteric (esoteric just means hidden btw). Perhaps I'm gonna have to be the first person to put a male-friendly interpretation of esoteric knowledge out there.
InvisibleMan542 3 weeks ago
I only see it as a conspiracy where people have "conspired" together, not a ridiculous one where it's going to take over the world. There have been many critiques and oppositions to feminism, and it is only a limited time before it is denounced. But whenever I hear that it is a plan for world government or it was caused by a shadow government, that is not critique. It is unfortunate how many conspiracy theorists attempt to justify their insanity with the MRM.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@blacktigerpaw1 So what exactly are you saying? That feminists are somehow right to believe that men held so much power in history because they held women back? Are you suggesting that the critique of feminism by MRA's has been refuted or that the MRA is full of conspiracists?
RockingMrE 1 month ago
@RockingMrE My apologies for not making myself clear. No, feminists are never right for their insults, and the critique of feminism is justified. I meant that I find it a little concerning how some MRAs are conspiracy theorists and generally ignore the basic facts. Again, my apologies.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
@blacktigerpaw1 No worries ;-)
Some eople can take their frustrations with feminism to extremes because they have been so badly burnt. In many regards this is understandable. However, it is very important to realise that modern feminism is Marxist driven, and thus has an agenda associated with this school of thought. Research the ideas of Marx, and then look up the links to Feminist theory. I have much info in this regard on my channel and blog. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.
RockingMrE 1 month ago
@RockingMrE What you say is true - feminism was based on Marxism. When it comes to CTs, normally it is a personal thing. To that I agree.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
You know what l notice here? A tendency towards ranting.
You know why this is? People are so used to not being heard
that they sometimes go on and on when the point is already made.
This whole sexism thing is head-to-head opposition and
confrontation with neither side prepared to step back.
Whether it's being done deliberately [llluminati etc] or occurring
as a natural result of the competitive society we live in,
people are being turned against other people.
DIVIDED WE FALL.
psic881 2 months ago
@psic881 Illuminati? Don't be ridiculous. That's just science fiction; this is reality we're dealing with here.
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@blacktigerpaw1 so you've not heard of adam weishaupt?
bastardson73 1 month ago
@psic881 The point has never been fully made until people stop looking at history one-dimensionally via feminist theory, and see that it is simply ridiculous to demonise men as inherently evil. Men have always been the ones that are the biggest threat to those in power, and it seems that everyone wants to believe that men are innately corrupt. Think about it.
RockingMrE 1 month ago
@RockingMrE
Can I just say cheers for saying this:
"Men have always been the ones that are the biggest threat to those in power and it seems that everyone wants to believe that men are innately corrupt. Think about it."
I have said that over and over again for (easily) fifteen years and only had baffled looks from people. Finally somebody who has said the same bloody thing! LOL
BTW the previous comment about head-to-head has a point but misses the outcome that men will win. We will.
TableWolfMusic 4 weeks ago
@TableWolfMusic Men can win, but we need a cultural revolution. To achieve this we need to take advantage of every avenue of human culture. This is exactly what feminism did, and it's time we used this method against them.
RockingMrE 3 weeks ago
@RockingMrE Do you have examples of such avenues you'd recommend? There is to my mind, an avenue that men have which women do not. Example: Women who opt for child benefits as a payment to negate father child access, replace the father with the state. At this point, men are no longer dealing with an ex partner but a financial harem. Refusal to interact with women on a one-to-one basis removes anything personal & men can work together as men. While such women fall into their own trap.
TableWolfMusic 3 weeks ago
@TableWolfMusic I'll be making a video about dating in the future. But I made a video called "What Should MRAs Fight for?" which may also prove useful.
RockingMrE 3 weeks ago
@RockingMrE I remember online dating where I spoke to a very hardline feminist around her late 30's who would lose her temper when I asked polite questions about why her profile said she'd prefer older men. She scorned me & said she was my elder & wiser. Meanwhile I sat about laughing with my (unbeknownst to her) best mate, the same age as me, who ignored the messages she sent him. She even followed him onto another dating site, the creep. What a hypocritical has-been hag. LOL
(cont)
TableWolfMusic 3 weeks ago
@RockingMrE (cont) Another woman I spoke to was the classic example of a woman who had notched up 40 previous sexual partners (but had lost count). So utterly typical to see those particular women (not all women) shagging around & then, when their biological clock starts ticking in their early to mid thirties, expecting a nice guy with a degree to come along & look after them. Yeah um, lack of discernment much? Somehow I think your dating video will put a big grin on our faces :)
TableWolfMusic 3 weeks ago
@TableWolfMusic I'm far older than she is at age 52 years. I have heard of on-line dating but would not try it because of the phonies. I have also heard much about old hags like myself dating much younger men and being referred to as "cougars" ugh!!~!. I would not be interested in that sort of person myself so why would women be interested in older men? For one thing, they appear to like women a lot more and there are so many of them. Baby boomers. I like mine H & H.
AnneFox7 1 week ago
@AnneFox7 What does H&H mean? Heterosexual & Healthy? Hot & Horny?
Anybody of any adult age can date anybody else of any adult age for all I care. I dont have mandate to know but I'm allowed to ask, so I did. I simply asked her why her profile said that. I only asked her once & I was polite too. That woman I referred to was a "has been hag" simply because her age-range dishonesty was an anti-virtue. She was a hypocrite for chasing after by mate but to this day she doesn't know we know.
TableWolfMusic 1 week ago
@TableWolfMusic You have won. There are billions of the feckless sort of women who you admire and can have at you leisure. See above your dating remarks. Who do you think the forty partners were? I suggest they were very much your sort. Best wishes to find the ones not yet had... stick with your age group please! I understand that you are desperate but I would rather you kept to women of your own kind, rather than fooling some kid.
AnneFox7 1 week ago
@AnneFox7 I would genuinely like to follow your comment but I don't understand what you are referring to. Something about feckless women I admire? I don't understand what you mean. It sounds like you see me as some "fly by night cowboy" who has loads of previous partners. I'm really not. And what are you talking about age group? I'm in my early thirties. And I'm not desperate thanks. Is that some attempt at an insult? In fact, I turn women down a fair bit as I'm not "that sort of man".
TableWolfMusic 1 week ago
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@AnneFox7 And what on Earth do you mean by, "I would rather you kept to women of your own kind rather than fooling some kid"?
Making me out to be some kiddy-fiddler is lame. Your comments are starting to show signs of trolling. Your false accusations are failsome. Under-age sex is wrong. I'd never have anything to do with it. As for my sticking to "women of my kind"... as per @RockingMrE my personal preference so far in life is that I haven't had loads of partners even though I could.
TableWolfMusic 1 week ago
Men abuse women. Women abuse men.
People abuse people. Gender is irrelevant.
psic881 2 months ago
Teleprompter?
420Harlequin 2 months ago
@420Harlequin which translates to microsoft word
420Harlequin 2 months ago
(ran out of characters) anyway I purpose that the solution isn't to go back to patriarchy but rather promote women's full independance. Where we teach our young women not only that they can do anthing but they also have the responsibility to do everything. While denoncing any kind of reliance on men other than sheer patnership. While on the other side teaching our young males to not promote this kind of self-destructive attitude of validation by being the "damsel in disstress"
JPershing1988 3 months ago
while i do agree that men have less of a voice in this new social order. It's men's fault as well as women's. we allowed women to have equal rights without fully realizing the consequences. as a result we have a society of half trues. Woman want independance but still want to be cared for but that's not b/c they're weaker it's b/c they've been socially condisition to think that way not threw conspiracy but rather from two conflicting eras of thinking in short I respect your theory but i disagree
JPershing1988 3 months ago
@JPershing1988 You are actually agreeing with me. It is male as protector and provider that men need to break out of by making women responsible for their independence themselves. As for the patriarchy conspiracy part - this is affiliated with the Feminist narrative that men conspired to keep women down, when in fact they wanted to keep them safe to the point of detriment to men, and the generation of an entitlement mentality by women.
RockingMrE 3 months ago
@RockingMrE I think the patriarchy conspiracy is too simplistic. I mean how can you talk about the entire history of gender relations in such simple terms? I mean how many diffrent societies have there been in history? Some have been patriarchal, some haven't been at all. The thing is feminists deny the influence woman have had on society, they are part of the system.
brownie1982ad 2 months ago
1- Interesting attention-grabber by paralleling Marxism and Feminism. 2- I spent 23 years in the military and knew a female captain who loathed feminism. She worked in the pentagon and was involved in logistics during Desert Storm. She told me the reason women were not included in assault forces was logistics. The concern was hygiene in desert field conditions, and female officers agreed in NOT placing women beyond posts lacking basic human "essentials." I admired her. She had girl balls.
rjworks13 4 months ago
You continue to impress me with such astounding work.
TheLordmep 4 months ago
Been following your comments (quite by accident) on other vids, particularly Sickmouth and the like. You have an amazing and admirable quality that keeps you focussed on the topic at hand while ignoring or calling out ad hominem attacks. About a year ago I commented to you saying that I believed you were too moderate regarding feminism and that feminists were not interested in "bridging" unless it was to indoctrinate. How do you feel about the dialogue since then? With feminists, I mean. Cheers!
CJC1295DAC 5 months ago
@CJC1295DAC Thanks for the compliment. Glad to see people noticing the tenacity it requires to keep these leftist nutjobs at bay. As for Feminism, I've realised that people like you, and of course Bern, are right on the money when they address Feminism. These bigots are not interested in bridging any gaps unless it works in their favour, and are aggressive towards anyone that doesn't agree with their fascism. I'm done trying to bridge any gaps with the PC crowd, especially on YT.
RockingMrE 5 months ago
@RockingMrE I am a leftist, but not a nut job. Please don't label all leftists that way cause of feminist nut jobs.
brownie1982ad 2 months ago
ale victimhood - compassion and understanding for warmongers, bigots chauvanist wife bashers - yeh right.
cranyonrye 5 months ago
@cranyonrye You bring up bigotry with a comment like this? Oh how ironic that your channel icon is the caption "got bigotry?"
You're not even close to being ready to understanding a topic like this - and with an attitude like the one above I seriously doubt you ever will be.
RockingMrE 5 months ago
@cranyonrye What about woman who abuse men? Don't exist?
brownie1982ad 2 months ago
(cont.) The rudeness of many female workers in customer service has gotten so prevalent that on the occasions I go to a restaurant nowadays I will ahead to ensure I can get a male server. Extreme, perhaps, but I want a pleasant dining experience and frankly don't want to give women my money if it can be avoided. I know that is off topic for this video...
WarriorBeloved 5 months ago
@WarriorBeloved I'm not sure that I can integrate such a topic into a video so easily. Furthermore I tend to only work on video topics that I can prove given that I get so much slack from ad hominem instigators even when I HAVE evidence. In all honesty I haven't really experienced any prevalent poor behaviour of waitresses in my life, though that is not to say that you haven't. I'll do some searches and see what comes up.
RockingMrE 5 months ago
@RockingMrE No problem. After I posted and thought about it I figured a topic like that wouldn't quite fit your style. But thanks for responding anyway. Your videos are intelligent and most of all fair and objective. Later!
WarriorBeloved 5 months ago
RockingMrE, I'm so very thankful you are here on YouTube. Could you some day make a video someday regarding the attitudes of men and women working in customer service jobs toward male customers? Jobs like waiting tables, store employees, etc. In my experience I have never been disrespected by a male employee. But women will be disrespectful and unhelpful toward male customers. Not always, but often. It's happened to me and I've seen it happen to other men.
WarriorBeloved 5 months ago
My attitude towards women who believe that some "patriarchy" is the main cause of society's problems should althogether denounce their citizenship in their own country while rejecting any service, product, investment, and contribution that has been created, influenced, and developed by any male.
This would include cars, tv, electricity, housing, food, medical, plumbing and textiles, all which are produced from the industries that are operated by men.
ApollosInsight 5 months ago
Thank you, RockingMrE, got your invite, hopped in... subscribed!. your videos are well made, articulate and informative. Plus you come off as being... well... intelligent. extremely RARE these days. you discuss the subject with intellectual quality, not just ranting (like I would be), and are therefore convincing and affective. keep up the good work! promote men's rights everywhere!
strontiumXnitrate 5 months ago
Excellent, I look forward to watching your other videos.
Ksabrs45 5 months ago
Very well said my friend.
LeftoverJedi 6 months ago
After all sacrifice men do for women and this is the thanks men get?
Feminists group certainly deserves to be dissolved completely along with some macho male group that is interfering men when they have families.
And RockingMrE has a point on Hillary Clinton (my goodness I can't stand her).
mike61524334251 6 months ago
@mike61524334251 That's the same way I feel. Throughout history, it has been men who have been objectified, exploited, dehumanized, and killed all for the benefit of women. The current so-called "progressive" culture is under no circumstances trying to create equality or free anyone, it is merely a perpetuation of the dehumanization and exploitation of males by creating fictional excuses to continue treating men as disposable objects.
LeftoverJedi 5 months ago
@LeftoverJedi you have described the objective reality as it is. I think more and more of us are waking up to see the truth behind the veil of lies they have been feeding us. maybe we can overturn the situation, slowly.
strontiumXnitrate 5 months ago
@strontiumXnitrate The internet and sites like these have been a wonderful gift in that regard, as the traditional methods of silencing men do not work here. I believe men have always suspected that something is not quite right, and the more one stops and actually looks into whats going on, the more disturbing the facts are. I highly recommend Warren Farrel's works if you are not already familiar with them.
LeftoverJedi 5 months ago
@LeftoverJedi Hear hear! The worst thing to happen to feminism has been the unrestricted flow of and access to raw information without any bias or filtering. Ten years ago, feminism could present to the world whatever face it so desired and it would use itself as the reference for any questions. The internet is changing that and is the single greatest threat to this propaganda machine, bar none. Guess who lobbies for the internet "kill switch" and DHS filtering of internet content? w3.now.com
CJC1295DAC 5 months ago
I always thought polyandry was about how mutiple men could satisfy themselves with just one women. I once heard a muslim preacher say the only reason why they do multiple wives is because of population differences that might lead to infanticide.
thatkamikid 6 months ago
1. Give Women Voting Rights
2. Give Women Equal Rights
3. Give Women Extra Rights
4. Give Women Extra Protection... from Men
5. Hear only Women and Ignore Men
6. Believe Women only and Treat men as Perpetrators
7. Let Women Falsely Accuse Men without Consequences
8. Encourage Women to be Helpless Victims and to think of All Men as Rapists
9. Encourage False Accusations by Women (VAWA) and Punish Innocent Men
10. ...Watch Women Destroy Men, the Family and Society !!!
VAWAhorrors 6 months ago 22
@VAWAhorrors Compare your comments with the video called "What Women Want is Worship".
vincent15641 3 months ago
@vincent15641 .
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VAWAImmigrProstitute 3 months ago
@cypher988 Thank you. Glad you liked it :-)
RockingMrE 6 months ago
Great video as usual.
Though I should add that in your analysis on war casualties, you ignore local civilian casualties, where women will suffer and die as much, and at times (when most men are away in the military) than men.
Certainly in Hiroshima women died as much as men.
Vebinz 6 months ago
@Vebinz I Men FIGHT wars, and women and children are CASUALTIES of war when men fail. However, even then male deaths are higher. Hiroshima was hit by a nuclear bomb, and these things have a habit of being indiscriminate - so this was not a reflection on war through the ages by any means. When push comes to shove the burden of fighting ALWAYS falls on men, with men forced or shamed into sacrificing their lives.
RockingMrE 6 months ago 10
I searched for any RockingMrE video to make sure i wouldn't have the same format of video when i start making narrative type videos. But i stayed because it got interesting. Great job on it. How do you edit your videos so it sounds like one continuous recording?
CJFRANKS7 6 months ago
@CJFRANKS7 Cutting video segments and putting them together with an editting tool like Windows Media Maker is how I do it. You can also cut out the visuals and add new images or videos instead. In WMM just move the video to the audio track.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE Thanks
CJFRANKS7 6 months ago
anyone else think serverus snape when they saw this guy?
clix089 6 months ago
everything you said is true. everything. except the small bit about marxism.
pls read the communist manifesto, or hear it for free here on youtube as an audiobook. its only 90 min long. you'll see what i mean. you can feel good about omitting marx's good name from your next excellent video!
paragshah2112 6 months ago
@paragshah2112 I've read the Communist manifesto. Much of the early links to patriarchy came from Engels (there is a link in the info section highlighting this). But remember that much of Marx's work came AFTER the manifesto, and this is where his belief that Capitalism and patriarchy are interlinked can be seen. This was further expanded upon in the Frankfurt School, and later on with philiosophies like postemodernism, which also links back to Marxist thought about patriarchy.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE Spot on and a spot on video good sir - Keep up the good work
2634Bets 6 months ago
@2634Bets Thanks. I'll do my best.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@R we cant blame marx for this current state of affairs. if you read the manifesto, you would see that NOTHING of marx's vision is in policy right now, nor ever has been, and indeed history is repeating itself with the current economic crisis. marx and the oligarcy are diametrically opposed, and the last i checked, the money changers are still in practical god-hood over us. marx is the answer to the oligarchy which is the true culprit behind this odious culture of small-minded woman worship.
paragshah2112 6 months ago
@paragshah2112 Blaming Marxism for EVERYTHING is not what I am doing. BUT Marxism is rife with so many logical fallacies I could make a video about them (and I will). Sure the ruling class are too powerful, but anyone that actually understands how a free market operates will see that what we have today is cronyism and kleptocracy. A truly free market devoid of the state is how you stop monopoly. See my vid Crony Capitalism and my vid I am uploading tomorrow.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@R i havent seen ur new vid yet, but the logical fallacy u mention is with the free market. no doubt cronyism is vile, but a free market is just as sinister without it. i can tell u firsthand, that the free market is nothing more than a bloodsport that pits we the people up against eqachother in the most viscious way, at the behest of the oligarchs. every conflict traces back to those bastards. man v woman, gay v straight, citizen v immigrant, on and on, all orchestrated at our expense. (contd)
paragshah2112 6 months ago
@R (contd) in my time i have never met a man who has everything absolutely right. never. even the brightest minds have some errs. we have to forgive the small stuff. its not fair to castigate marx, the only champion against the oligarchy which has crushed this planet under its thumb, unless his statements can be taken in context. the framework of his hypothesis is not in place, his own proponents venomously defended against the demonization of men, some of what he said was tongue in cheek, etc.
paragshah2112 6 months ago
@paragshah2112
The main point about Marxism though is that is popularized the idea of revolutionary conflict and of one group permanently and historically oppressing another.
Vebinz 6 months ago
@V yeah, but not men v woman. he said that its the oligarchs v the rest of us, and that all our conflicts among ourselves are orchestrated by those mf-ers.
marx is on our side. he gets a bad rap by the press (which is exclusively owned by the oligarchy) but its bullshit. the framework of his hypothesis is not in place, nor has it ever been. he hypothesizes about that which is or isnt, inside a system which never existed. critics of marx usually attack him by taking his phrases out of context.
paragshah2112 6 months ago
@paragshah2112
You're right he was talking about the "bourgoisie vs proletariate", but again his rhetoric of a historic "exploitation" establishment was taken up by the feminists and re-worked with men and women.
You can't deny that feminists and other 60's leftist groups were heavily influenced by Marx, whether by his actual ideas or their approach.
Vebinz 6 months ago
Great video, man.
XYChromatic 6 months ago
@XYChromatic Cheers :-)
RockingMrE 6 months ago
Not man woman myth, I meant "the myth of male power" what was I thinking!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@apekillssnake Thanks APE - I'll check it out.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE I can vouch for 'myth of male power', great book.
gingergiblet 6 months ago
@gingergiblet Oh wait, you hold it up. Derp.
gingergiblet 6 months ago
@RockingMrE If you are looking at Man Woman Myth, I think it is imperitive that you briefly look at the Work of Joseph Cambell briefly on youtube or from his books. I believe this is where the author gets the notion about myth directly to do with man. In fact the work of Joseph Cambell I feel forms a bedrock culturally to do with how we look at societal man. It forms in my view part of the Feminist ethos of hate and paternal misandry!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
With you on this one. I highly recommend reading Walter Ong's Fighting for Life: Contest, Sexuality and Consciousness (1981), if you haven't already looked at it.
BoethianAcolyte 6 months ago
if your ". ...ideas of how to positively move things forward for men. I have few ideas myself, ... ." include supporting rhetoric as you have demonstrated that you do, from the likes of apeskillssnake then you are clearly deluded.
my moneys on the snake bye the way.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin YES snakebitesape I AM, eye no, ide WHO.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin Dont renege on what you said- weren't you fucking off!! See you are a Pariah, your words count for nothing! Snake tries to dry bite ape- ape feels this- turns around and beats snake to death with a big club. Your focus is pathetic, put your teeth in next time- you have a personal problem if you cant stop this- I will have to start being nasty back!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@apekillssnake if my words count for nothing WHY then are you STILL commenting on them?
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
Thanks Rockingmre. You always have interesting and insightful things to say on this topic.
cheesehoven 6 months ago
I like you dude, you should look in to who funded the woman's lib movements, The CIA gave money to activists connected to MS. Magazine, and pretty sure the Rockefellers funded a good part of it with there tax free foundation, the Rockefeller foundation.
DeathMetalPatriot 6 months ago
@DeathMetalPatriot Check out my video "Feminism Revisited".
RockingMrE 6 months ago
I do feel these two had preset Marxist behaviorism from a mile off. The classic Machiavellian and Macabre type techniques to A. emotionally try to hurt you and lead others away. B. try to orchestrate a rift between myself and MrE. Scumbags of the mind the pair of them. This in my view are the types of mental cases that exist psychologically in socialism the left or Institutional types. It is a war of minds in which the enemy will deploy and use strategies of the ignoble and feminine. Soz for MrE
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@apekillssnake I think it's important that people who speak up for men's issues don't allow closed-minded people to drag them into arguments. We need to create productive forums where we can bash around ideas of how to positively move things forward for men. I have few ideas myself, but I think I will have to wait for the channel to get a little bigger before I get bold enough to branch out of Youtube.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE Very cool, It vexes me that sensible debate is lacking on youtube especially as men have been so silent for so long. Perhaps they feel intimidated to comment on mens issues having it drummed into them to put up with things the way they are! If only if men got on youtube, subscribed and just commented that they agreed, showing support by numbers that way would be a benefit! I'm adding however if you try to use logic against reptiles on YT you are putting yourself dead in the water!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
campaigning for mens rights suggests or implies discrimination of some sort, HOW exactly are men discriminated against? in general terms, that apply to everyday living, without referring to other campaigners that might or might not see or believe that they are discriminated against by men.
On the question of man's place in wars as oppose to females surely the questions why are wars fought at all rather than justifying ones position on the placement of gender within that which is futility ITSELF
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin You are not going to see male discrimination if you keep yourself locked in your bedroom. What about male discrimination on Youtube, what about everything on television. What about any sector that involves women or the family- you'll see male discrimination. Just because you chose to be unawares of it or it does not find you because you have never been laid- made a baby or had contact with a woman without them feeling sorry for you, does not mean it does not exist for other men!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@apekillssnake APE, thank you for being supportive of me and my channel, but when people act this way the best way is to leave them dig their own graves - I may not say anything all the time but I'm usually aware of what goes on in my comments sections. I know it's hard, but try not to let them get under your skin - sometimes it is better to walk away.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE Cool beans,I do feel however sometimes that after they’ve dug their own graves, laid in it and had all the soil and rocks put on top of them its then good to dig them up, spin their corpses round above my head, do a little dance with their lifeless limbs, then walk away leaving them to the birds. I'd love to see more focused debate in the comments section to actually learn stuff in accordance to the uploads without going off topic, but rather discussion not detraction of mens rights!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin After our discussion on this very board and the fact that you have watched enough of my videos to know better than to ask such a question you come up with a comment like this? I usually expect better of you so I can only assume you are going through some sort of difficult time and are fishing for a reaction. If this is at the heart of your attitude I will give you a chance to reconcile yourself and read my block policy. Feel free to PM me - it saddens me to see you act this way.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE I realised after posting the comment that you probably have mentioned many times your perspective on what I asked, no less my question remains and obviously remains unanswered, I have no need to go read any policy you might or might not have created since I became a subscriber, it is your channel and I respect that, though. I did not realise that you where operating a closed shop opinion wise.
I WILL unsubscribe I have no interest in annoying anyone.
Thanks MrE it has been a pleasure
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
Proving if you kill the myth of the male patriarchy- you get all kinds of freaks crawl out of the woodwork and from the underground with ill-formed social behaviorism and abnormalities of the mind which leads to poor socialization and stroppy solipsism in them. It proves my points about the manifestation of fourth wave feminism as a disingenuous order, and the socialist odd-balls trying to corrupt man onto his new path of enslavement! certainly the snakes came out of this one. Rock on MrE.
apekillssnake 6 months ago
EXCELLENT VIEWS DUDE
michaelberryakabez 6 months ago
@octaquan Good point. Thank you.
ColonelCosmic 6 months ago
Rock on Man!
Downfacingdog 6 months ago
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
tribunation 6 months ago
Yup. Throughout history BOTH genders had their role in order to assure survival of the human species; men had the responsibility to risk/sacrifice their lives for the good of the family or community, while women had more of a support role. These days however, men still have the same responsibilities that they always have, but now women have the OPTION of dabbling into either role and to choose their own role in society.
ColonelCosmic 6 months ago
These two MrE dont know if they are coming or going, they think they are converting you with their nonsense- talk about a pair trying to fog a subject. These two strike me as incredibly lonely, like Kim Jong IL!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@apekillssnake Aww isn't that cute you make assumptions on what other people think while not being able to make any sense of their views. And as for your lonely assumption, I guess you're new to Youtube, but you can have E-mails sent when a reply is made. And with these nifty devices called cellphones you can stay connected to the internet everywhere you go!! And I'm wondering do you wash the feet of Kim Jong IL or something because I'm not sure how you'd know his state of mind. That was to easy
dirksinna 6 months ago
@dirksinna So you're alone with a cellphone!
I do find it funny that you think you are in some little game with me, where you believe you are expressing some form of brilliance outwardly- I can tell you've got shit for brains you "Bell end".
apekillssnake 6 months ago
I would say there is a sense of subjective objectivity about this weeks subject, no less very interesting and you have certainly stimulated a most positive debate, which is I know, what you are about. Thanks.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
I am a white working class hetro-sexual male that has lived through positive discrimination knowing that had I been given such chances how it all could be so different for me then experienced the consequences of that positive discrimination in under qualified employees still venting their bitterness upon those they serve publicly denying ME rights the state gives ALL it's inhabitants, guess what, I ain't bitter it's LIKE wtf ok, in some cases I could at the TIME see it was necessary to attempt.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
Marxist critical theory feminists got it wrong from what I can tell.
drchiodo 6 months ago
I always liked the "Patriarchy" scam (because a con it is, of course), when property laws, even in English Common Law, or in Roman Civil Law, banned women...women were still most influential in politics, and businesses of every empire that ever existed. Evidently, according to revisionist "His Story", women didn't have have heads, they just walked around and never spoke. Odd how history always cites the wives with the husbands...
TheCaptainSlappy 6 months ago
Check out 7:50 in the video here - watch?v=MMX51R3O2XU&feature=feedu
I don't know how you will feel about the rest of the video, but what the girl says at 7:50 (80% of American black children grew up in 2 parent households in 1960) verifies that what we have is an attack upon the family unit (with feminist propaganda being one methodology)
kroovyandcal 6 months ago
I'm not quite sure about your views regarding single families. Isn't it just a byproduct of increased divorce rates. From what I've heard, more than 50% of marriages in the US end in a divorce. How does radical feminism play a role in this? People just divorce only if things are not working out between them, right? Do you think it's happening more often because of both women and men being stressed from work and kids?
sid891000 6 months ago
@sid891000 An environment where both parents work, and therefore spend less time with their families, has a part to play. BUT you only need to examine what Feminists lobby for to see that nowhere do they canvas for anything more than rights for women, regardless of men and children being hurt or losing their rights in the process. Modern Feminism perceives the nuclear family as a part of patriarchal oppression, and it took this from Marxism. See my links in the info section.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
Yes! score one for the guys...that was awesome Mr. E
dudewithopinion 6 months ago
@dudewithopinion Thanks :-)
RockingMrE 6 months ago
LOL! The shits gonna fly over this one hahaaha :P
Curas1 6 months ago
@Curas1 I'm used to it. Some people will never accept any evidence, sources, or objectivity. That's life. You've just got to rise above it ;-)
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE
i don't know how ya do it man, but I'm glad you are :D
Curas1 6 months ago
@Curas1 Lol - cheers :-P
RockingMrE 6 months ago
Have to make some points on this:
The influence of the "death jobs" on the gender pay gap is absolutely not relevant.
Much more it is the many women working part time, resulting from their second social engagement in nursery as spending household income (buyin groceries).
Women are certainly not the primary casualities of war, but in fact the most expensive ones. Every society is indivisibly dependend on a stock of fertile females. But only because some people (mainly men) have put...
TheDruganaut 6 months ago
@TheDruganaut
the value of female lifes over male ones, you can't ignore the history of discrimination women had to suffer in western societies. Like no right to work, have property, vote or to keep money she brings into household. There had been even times scholars where arguing whether they're human or not. But feminism changed from a movement to gain equality for women to a platform to increase political and social influence of women. A product of network society, stuck in monologue.
TheDruganaut 6 months ago
@TheDruganaut
"Like no right to work, have property, vote or to keep money she brings into household."
Voting and money are ,ale inventions, so women canot have a natural right to them.
"Work" is a relative term. Being a wife and raising good children is also "work", more imrpotant than any actually.
Finally, through-out history women have often been able to keep property and do various types of jobs.
Vebinz 6 months ago
@TheDruganaut The death jobs are relevant because they pay well, and women statistically flock to jobs indoors, which statistically pay less. I'm not denying women needed more "rights" as society transformed, but men had the burden of protecting women in the past because life was more brutal. It is not simply a case of women being "kept down", though first wave feminism was a good movement for women to say they need more rights now that society is becoming safer. It went downhill from there.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
the only reason "chemical birth control" is needed is consequential to either a lack of responsibility on men's part or general ignorance at best, I found it safe to have ejaculative sex in the fortnight following my partners period, not wanting to get her pregnant I did not push it beyond that, thought the 'health profession' will know the finer details of that, only will not divulge such information consequential to self interest from the pharma- 'conspiracy', the only current growth industry.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin Believe it or not women can and do lie about being on the pill. Furthermore innovations in the contraceptive market have been extremely beneficial to women when evolving their gender roles in society. But I can see that gradually you#re coming around to the fact that women are not perfect, which is all I am trying to explain. Women are NOT inherent victims, and men are NOT inherent oppressors, both in history or in the present. It is a lie or ignorant to claim otherwise.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE . ...understand that to define others as philosophies previous espoused WILL create disingenuous perceptions, I am often told, "that's very ZEN, that's very TOA, that's Buddhist", to any view I may share and whilst I don't doubt that they where previously espoused by those schools of thought, not knowing that doesn't stop them from being relevant, neither does holding those views make me party to those philosophies.
WE WILL needing to use pieces of what could be perceived as ism.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@RockingMrE gosh MrE what are you saying about misrepresentation with this, ". ...I can see that gradually you#re coming around to the fact that women are not perfect... .", AS though, REALLY, do you think SO little ov ME that you would believe that I believed, that ALL women are perfect.
U miss the POINT obviously and that is WE are HUMAN and that the separation into ism's and schism's ain't assisting us in anyway and that your TIME might be better spent highlighting that... .
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin You are a long time subscriber, and I'll give you respect accordingly due to this fact. But you did give the impression that men were inherently involved in oppressing women as a whole. If this is not what you feel then that's great - I am happy to hear it. Isms and schisms are sometimes necessary - they are only bad if they are divisive in their aim.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE I "did give the impression that men were inherently involved in oppressing ", yes, they are and that is not to say women are not also similar in that, I actually take the POINT you make here that "Patriarchy" is a "Conspiracy", though it has no relevance to feminism for me, I saw "Patriarchy" as a dominance regardless of femo-marxist-politcolism and yeah in response I could see that REALLY the non femo-females as in 'ordinary' were actually applying a secret matriarchy if you WILL.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin It appears we have largely cleared up the differences of opinion. I just feel it is time for men to adapt their roles, like women have. Blaming men for everything and keeping them locked in a cage as provider and protector will do nothing to make the world more peaceful. Men cannot develop their compassion without society refraining from pressurising them into adhering to their old gender role. The trouble is that men are programmed to sacrifice - and this is abused by society.
RockingMrE 6 months ago
@RockingMrE I blame no-one other than MYSELF for that which I accept and allow, gender is not actually an issue, though IT seems 2 B SO 4 U, no less, that is your concern, there is only one difference in gender and that is men cannot conceive children, beyond that anything a man can do a woman can do also, proven over TIME.
WE each programme ourselves, that is a fact, not withstanding that that which society and individuals in that accept as normality can effect us if WE allow it to do SO. fanx
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin a cow or pig has a womb, only man has made women into a deity, something that he is learning to undo! The fact you make the ability to give birth when so many other creatures do it also, special shows you have very little brains and have romantized females, probably thereto of your lack of understanding them!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@apekillssnake STILL stalking _ME_ eh, please I have no interest in further argumentum ad hominem from U, ok? thanks.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin If its Stalking you Plank shouldn't you not be responding! I think the term you are looking for is incitement if you keep in boxing me! Besides someone has got to pick you up on all the dip-shit statements you make about the VJJ. You don’t bring any value to the topic of men’s rights so you try to be a skinny little detractor. Go and eat a proper meal so your brain can get some nutrition and enable you to think straight!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@apekillssnake SAD.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin What was it you said about perception being a reflection of self, I'm just trying to think!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
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@apekillssnake "What was it you said about perception being a reflection of self, I'm just trying to think!" exactly I am sadend, though in the end my sadness is that their are those LIKE yourself that cannot understand that which they do to themselves with there continual bickering that has nothing what so ever to do with the issues we where attempting to discuss. Do you really feel clever NOW, I don't.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
an interesting thing listening to Warren Farrell, when he speaks of "other oppressed groups" he does not delineate between sexes, this together with his "normality of war" perspective is questionable, that is not to say what he says has no merit only that the real issue is actually LIFE itself and what we accept and allow that to be manifestly rather than it being a gender issue it is larger and that the solution will not be found in his rationale.
EQUALMONEY-dot-ORG a foundation for EQUAL LIFE
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
Hear, hear.
kutblok 6 months ago
Conspiracy theorist = When confronted with empirical evidence or a logical frame work which can not be refuted, a man/women who does not have the capacity or was not taught how to form a rational argument will envoke like a magical spell and then weasel away or continue ad-hominems.
usernameted1 6 months ago
With the same amount of truth to it you can have a "parnoyarchy" conspiracy.
Because mentally stable people feel secure and safe enough, they don't try to change the socium. While mentally unstable people (mostly paranoidal type) tend to try to change socium, and thus seeking power to do so. They feel too threatened and defenceless, so they need any form of "higher power" to hide behind
(higher power = military, political, money, gangs etc.).
SEThatered 6 months ago
@SEThatered Interesting point. It does intrigue me how certain people feel the need to make EVERYONE conform to the "greater good", as though the sacrifice of a few is worth it for the needs of the many. Very strange. This is just typical utilitarian argumentation and it certainly doesn't show a compassion for humanity since this always leads to oppression of liberty, especially since this philosophy goes out the window during times of war when the body count rises to protect the "collective".
RockingMrE 6 months ago
I agree with Hillary Clinton. Women have suffered too much during times of war. Its time men stood up and say send only women to war. Us bastard men can stay home and watch the horrors of war on the TV as we sit on the couch and bitch about how oppressed we are so we can finally know what true suffering is. Now where are the twinkies.
onemansrage 6 months ago
everything you see perceptively is a reflection of yourself... .
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin LOL... Neither is there Bodhi-tree, Nor yet a mirror bright; Since in reality all is void, Whereon can the dust fall?....Hui Neng (638-713). That really does go beyond the work of Existentialist's, or Maurice Merleau Ponty, but nice try thou!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@MassEFR34k Thanks :-)
RockingMrE 6 months ago
PSEUDO reactionaries
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin Just as a woman would like to have sex with a hansome man, i would like to have sex with a beautiful woman. what is so wrong about that ? its fair its equal.
JulianThePhilosopher 6 months ago
@JulianThePhilosopher "need" I asked you to define need not your "desires".
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin i need sex once in a while, all of us do. To claim otherwise would be dishonest.
JulianThePhilosopher 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin I gave you a standard IQ question, its even seen on Youtube- what are you afraid off?
apekillssnake 6 months ago
@apekillssnake gosh know, I am so dumb ain't eye innit.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@apekillssnake and who is stalking WHO HERE?
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin You made a bet based on your ego! So I am calling you out- on just how much more intelligent you are than me, as you say! A bet you cant cash, and the answer is basic-training my friend!
apekillssnake 6 months ago
every man needed a woman and every woman needed a man, lets START there.
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin i need more then one woman, perharps a few would be better. =)~
JulianThePhilosopher 6 months ago
@JulianThePhilosopher define "need" in that context Julian and consider if what you say is ACTUALLY correct,
babylonIZfallin 6 months ago
@babylonIZfallin i need to wake up in the arms of a beautiful woman. And perharps a bit of other stuff, more of a sexual nature to obscene to type here. A simple man i am, so simple desires i require.
JulianThePhilosopher 6 months ago