The Gospel of Thomas 1/3 (Christian Gnostic)

[NanakLove]

thank you Thomas for sharing the Truth through Jesus!

[cnce145]

wowww it's everything i've benn trying to live upon . i fell inspired right now

[markzmen07]

I am just waiting for the narrator to end any of his statements with "Dude". And when Jesus saith unto you, if you hear my words, you will not taste death, dude".

[AmericanCryer]

Some of it sounds like Yin/Yang. Yet, as Christians we are told, by church leaders, that other religions, or concepts are abominations and false teachings. Says who? The Pope? The pastor? I say, if you know God, know yourself, know your inner being. Then judge for yourself.

[esc807]

I bought the Gospel of Mary Magdelin..a gnostic gospel..I have to say I found the read very spiritual. Jesus explains in great detail the transformation of dead to heaven. highly detailed. Mary M was there. Why wouldn't she have her story? Jesus appeared to Mary after his death and told her that she was blessed, because the sight of him did not scare her. I have to believe there were other gospels of Jesus.

[ASexyChef]

@esc807 Its fully known that there are many other gospels the four in the bible reference them, what you have to grasp is there were many writings and to get a copy you did it by hand, it was decades after Jesus before people started to write down than copy, copy,etc. So when Rome converted to christianity, hundreds of years later and created the catholic church they started to dictate what was and what was not Christianity, outlawed all writings that did not conform to their version.

[TheSpiritoflovehere]

Google: The Gospel of Thomas fully interpreted to find the meanings of the sayings of Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas.

[HylianSpirit]

Realization of No-Self, these sayings make an insane amount of sense.

[BeeJayEm1]

Both the Synoptic and Gnostic gospels are valid to gain knowledge of our one Lord.

[debraBmaddox]

mind blowing stuff from the one and only

[jenniferhogan96]

The nagg hammadi library is such a good read for those intrested in classic gnosticism.Unfortunately,many would be disappointed if they walke into a modern gnostic church,these neo gnostic churches only carry few scriptures of the nagg hammadi library and also they preach many false things about ancient gnostics.Never go to a modern gnostic church,they pretty much SUCK

[MarkofBeastRevealed]

Jesus died to send the Holy ghost. If you can hear this then maybe you won't suffer death either. Paul called the old covenant the ministration of death and condemnation. he said it was done away, abolished and fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled it. now days men call the same law that killed jesus by his name. there are many many other letters and more revelation. king james was born 6, 1566, 6th of scotland, he authorized 66 books and called them the word of God. THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST

[razordaave]

@MarkofBeastRevealed Aren't there 70 in all ?

[MarkofBeastRevealed]

@razordaave there were 72 when the first beast (constanine) made the image but then king james authorized the image and made it availible to the public, he gave it power to speak( the bible says). king james only authorized 66 books

[nachoholic77]

Those who think we should be tearing this religion apart are terrible people. There are those who refuse the existence of God and you'd rather waste time preaching against those who know God and Jesus, just differently from the ways you do.

What may be 'truth' to you isn't always truth to others -- does that make either wrong?

Look up Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Hinduism. Are these religions "false" because they do no line up with traditional Christianity?

Open your minds...

[KayBeeEee1983]

I think the Gospel of Thomas is intentionally nonsensical to appear profound

Jesus said "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. & foul is the human that the lion will eat, & the lion still will become human"

Jesus said, The Father's kingdom is like a person who wanted to kill someone powerful. While still at home he drew his sword & thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in. Then he killed the powerful one.

Can someone translate for me?

[ASexyChef]

@KayBeeEee1983 You have to wonder first if the gospel is to be taken as seriously how much of it is exactly what Jesus said, even with the bible today we do know for fact allot of the sayings people quote were added years later, other says in Thomas r actually sayings quoted in the New Testament. People today do not seem to grasp the way you get these writing were copies of copies by hand people miss-wrote, mis-transluated, etc. So you have to take even the bible with a grain of salt!

[Mirkwood90]

1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...

A Biblical literalist must accept Thomas' Gospel.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@Mirkwood90 So any writing is "from God" if it acknowledges that Jesus came in the flesh, regardless of its moral/ethical teachings? It could claim that Jesus wants people to rape and murder blind people, and, according to you, a biblical literalist would have to accept it as coming from God.

[Mirkwood90]

@KayBeeEee1983

Because of the rule Scripture-interprets-Scripture­, they should. I didn´t say it was the best plan, but it is how their faith functions. Besides, God´s Law states in Leviticus that a raped virgin should marry her rapist. I don´t see your attempted ¨far fetched¨ scenario as being too far off what they would still see as coming from God. If you want to talk morals, you should take note of the breach of Human Rights that has occured for millennia b/c of what came "from God".

[KayBeeEee1983]

@Mirkwood90 Being old and having the word "gospel" in its title doesn't make something scripture.

When 1 John 4:2-3 talks about "spirit" it's referring to people who are spreading the gospel by word of mouth, not writings.

The forceful marriage to a virgin's rapist is Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

I am aware of the misogynism of the old testament. Woman=Sin. Compare Genesis

3:16 "Your desire will be for your man and he'll dominate you"

4:7 "Its(sin's) desire will be for you and you'll dominate it"

[IChIDH]

@KayBeeEee1983 lol well what does make something scripture...ancient roman politicians. wake up

[ASexyChef]

@KayBeeEee1983 The truth of it is that there are more texts we have lost than we can even imagine, its kind a miracle that we have gotten a few of them back. This is just one version of Thomas. We have books that even Jesus sited that the early church got ride of. Why because it did not conform to the version that the Catholic Church was creating, yet thousands of years later we have the protestant reformation start because it disagree with the Catholic Version so who knows what we have lost.

[ASexyChef]

@KayBeeEee1983 Do you ignore the fact we know the New Testament today are from copies from about the same time as this gospel would have been written, because the earlier ones did not survive, yes they are based off text believed to originate about 70 to 100 A.D. but you than have to accept they would of been copies of copies of copies translated from different langs, so ignore this one because of its date yet ignore the fact whats in the New Testament has the same issues too!

[roppasmoka]

let those who have ears; hear..

[bobo577]

2 words

False Gospel!

[nachoholic77]

@bobo577 How do you know? Did Jesus tell you that this gospel holds absolutely no speck of truth?

When i was first introduced to the non-canonical gospels, I was confused. I did research and continue to do so. I think this holds truth to Gnostics just as brahma holds truth in Hinduism. Just because it does not fall within traditional Christianity does not mean it it false...

[bobo577]

@nachoholic77 There is one story where Jesus as a child apparently was pushed into a muddy puddle by another child and Jesus cursed the child with leprosy. But this is false because Jesus COULDN'T perform miracles until his baptism when the Holy Spirit came upon him. If the Gospel of Judas had ANY validity, Why then was Judas referred to in the biblical canon as the son of perdition.. The Gnostic Gospels must be rejected.

[nachoholic77]

@bobo577 Was Jesus then to young to be preaching in the temple around age 12 because his ministry did not start until the last 3 years of his life?? The thing that you refuse to acknowledge is that Gnosticism is based on knowing the secret teachings of Jesus in order to achieve salvation. Traditional Christianity is based on believing in Christ in order to achieve salvation. Are you so ignorant that you would choose to discredit another religion because it does not match up with you own?

[acidicreverie]

@nachoholic77 The "secret" of Jesus? Now that makes me laugh. Ask yourself this. Jesus spoke and performed miracles in front of hundreds of thousands, why would he have a secret? If his whole reason on being here on Earth was to teach us, WHY WOULD HE HAVE SECRETS? Why would the message that you say he was teaching, "the secret" not be the one he would tell us all. So I guess jesus was lying when he said he was the only way to heaven.

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[acidicreverie]

@acidicreverie and by that thought if he was lying then how could you say what he was saying was ever the truth. You and all the others that think that you are God are listening to the wrong thing. Start reading the book of Enoch to find out who you are worshiping and to find out who you truely are.

[nachoholic77]

@acidicreverie First off, I'm not Gnostic. I am a Christian theology major and we talked about Gnosticism; really grabbed my attention so I have been researching it. Secondly, in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus instructs a large crowd, after healing the ill, not to tell others about Him...

[nachoholic77]

@acidicreverie ...People need to come to realize Christ. For Gnostics, it's not about believing in who Jesus was but rather knowing the truth in what he taught and did.

For people to discredit another religion is disgusting I am merely trying to help broaden some narrow minds

[acidicreverie]

@nachoholic77 Disgusting is the perversion of one religion to benefit you and how you see fit. What you are doing is making a religion that you agree with. If you truely believe in a religion then the rest are lies. you can't just accept the parts that you agree with. You can not just pick and choose the parts you want to believe in. By default if you believe that one part of "God's word" is the truth then you have to accept that ALL parts are.

[nachoholic77]

@acidicreverie It is clear that you are too ignorant to even open your mind to this different religion. You are too absolutist to even say that you respect what Gnosticism has to offer. You would rather degrade a religious community than accept that it exists and leave it to itself. It's a shame that we have people like you in our world who are too self important to respect the views of other religions. I PITY YOU.

[thatGUYyouKNEW]

@nachoholic77 Your argument is solid. I too have researched Gnostic Christianity and everything you have said is dead on. You're right some of these people are too ignorant to open their minds and hearts even. God bless you nachoholic77!!

@acidicreverie I pity you too.

[thatGUYyouKNEW]

@acidicreverie Where would the Protestant church be if not for questioning what the Catholic Church taught? Many believed in God but did not believe what the church taught. It seems to me that you are contradicting yourself with that statement...

[acidicreverie]

@bobo577 Jesus was GOd's son and could do miracles before. They may have not been recognized, but to think that the son of God could not perform the simplest of miracles is absurd. The baptism was symbolic in nature only. It is symbolic to God, your neighbors, and yourself.

[bobo577]

@acidicreverie "Secret knowledge", Jesus told us all we needed to hear. The "Gospel" of Thomas is merely a forgery, as are the other Gnostic Gospels. This isn't picking and choosing, this is discerning heresy.

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 Really are you sure, how do you know its heresy because the version of Jesus is all you been taught? Whats strange, you believe in the Trinity right? You believe Jesus is God, yet Jesus never once state he is God, and yet its claimed to be heresy not to believe the divinity of Jesus. But why would Jesus not just state what is claimed by the church later on to be the most important part, when you study history you find out not all early christian agree with the trinity either!

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 Were is it ever stated in the Bible Jesus was not able to do Miracles until his baptism? WE only have a few of the books we know existed in the bible today we know this because the New Testament and even Jesus himself site books that the Catholic Church later on outlawed as heresy! Sorry but Jesus first Miracle happens when he is born of a Virgin, so that in-itself would be his first Miracle!! You like so many others can not state what is to be accepted or rejected you have no merit!

[bobo577]

@ASexyChef First of all, Yes, Jesus born to a virgin was a miracle. What I mean is he did no other miracle until his baptism. Why do I say that? It was because the Holy Spirit did not come upon him until his baptism and his first was to turn water into wine at Cana. The Roman Catholics did not have anything to do with the canon of scripture, that is a misconception

[bobo577]

@ASexyChef The Gnostic Gospels are SECOND CENTURY documents, so they were not written by eyewitnesses, they are also littered with IDOLATRY, something Yahweh detests. The word Trinity was used by Tertullian to describe the Godhead. As for Jesus divinity, This is affirmed in the words of Jesus, Secondly you'll know that when Thomas saw the risen Jesus, he exclaimed MY LORD AND MY GOD. What was Jesus response?

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 You have many whom claim that of some of the gospels in the bible, there is no evidence that any gospel to day ordinates before 70 A.D. which would be after the eye witnesses had died. Jesus never affirms his divinity anywhere, thats my whole issue with the trinity myself, my biggest question to all who go with it. Because the claim the only way to salvation is the concept Jesus is God yet Jesus never states I am God. To see something amazing someone saying my lord my God is typical.

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 Just because doubting thomas exclaimed that does that mean if a person see a preacher doing something amazing and screams out my lord my God they than are stating the preacher in-front of them is God. Or he could be referring to Jesus as Lord, and than saying my God after it to praise God himself for the Miracle, its not proof that Jesus was God. The proof would be simple, Jesus just stating it, yet he never claims divinity ever, if thats the path to salvation why not state it?

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 I know people use that passage as clear proof, but my whole issue is, Jesus had years and than 40 days when he came back after dying, and Jesus never said ever I am God, to me if Jesus was God he would just declare it, if that was truly the path to salvation than Jesus would just of stated it, but Jesus the way I have read the bible over and over makes it clear that salvations is threw his teachings, threw his message, threw that you know him, thats how you get into his fathers house!

[bobo577]

@ASexyChef If Jesus wasn't fully human and fully divine, he would not be able to clean us up. He reveals God to Man and reconciles Man to God. As I said before, bowing in religious reverence is an act of worship and again, Jesus did not condemn them for bowing to him. Jesus also said he was the Son of Man in of the book of Daniel. In the Book of Revelation, Jesus calls himself the Alpha and The Omega, a title that belongs to God, After all, only he can exist from eternity.

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 See I do believe Jesus was a man but he is the perfect man, what we could all become what God would want people to become, its threw trying to become as Jesus was, we fallow his example that we can obtain a chance to deserve heaven. Jesus is not like other men, he is the messiah, he comes back from the dead, and he will come back at the end of times, he does say he is the son of God but in the same passages, he turns to his followers and tells them they are also children of God.

[bobo577]

@ASexyChef We are only children of God by grace through adoption. Jesus makes that distinction when when he said to Mary "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." Yes human beings are going to make mistakes in copying things but a variant reading doesn't change the meaning of a text.

[bobo577]

@bobo577 Also, Why did the Jews (Southern Jews not Northern) want Jesus dead, Because he claimed to be God, he claimed to be the I AM of Exodus. I just hope that you repent and abandon these heretical and apostate gnostic books.

[bobo577]

@ASexyChef There are 25,000 manuscripts of Old and New Testament, 10,000 are of the gospels alone, Also we don't have the originals, we have copies. This is where Lower Criticism come in, we try to go to back to the original text as best we can. The Dead Sea scrolls had a complete book of Isaiah that was 1000 years older than another copy and few alterations had to be made when it was found. Only a muslim who would say that their Quran has been perfectly preserved even though that's poppycock.

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 Well I do not see it as a Criticism to state we have to debate aspects of the New Testament, and their meanings based on what we can know for sure is the most likely original version of it. I do accept that the things I do point out could easily be aspects well received in the early church, but it does not change my view on what Jesus taught, really even with the odd things in this gospel of thomas like that lion thing the meat and potatoes of his saying are still there..

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 The Quran is claimed to have been fully written when Mohamed was still alive, there seems to be allot of evidence thats not true, the writings may have all been there, but there were copies of copies and the precious langue of arabic was not there yet, which developed later on, so they have the same issues with claims of mistranslations. Yet even if you did have a perfectly written book no two people will read it the same, if you have people we will make mistakes...

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 I miss wrote that, there is evidence that the Quran was written in an older form of Arabic, which when Islam became the major world power and became the lang of science they made it into a very precious lang than. So there was this huge discovery somewhere that had old written versions of the Quran, that did not have all the dots so when experts look at it, the meanings of somethings could be very different.

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 I did it again precise not precious, my dyslexia coming out lol keep put in the wrong word lol...

[bobo577]

@ASexyChef In regards to the Quran, many Surahs have been lost. Aisha had the only copy of one surah on breast feeding an adult that was eaten by a goat, That's mentioned in the Hadith. Uthman, one of the caliphs sent many Muslims who had memorized Surahs which weren't written down and no one else knew into battle and they were slaughter.

[bobo577]

@ASexyChef Also, The Quran today was not the one of Abdullah ibn Massood but is actually Uthman's version. Uthman actually commanded other Surahs to be burnt so they could have one official Quran. As for what you mentioed to KayBeeEee1983, I mentioned this before, The Roman Catholics had NOTHING to do with the canon, It was a PRE Nicean council that decided which books had apostolic authority and authorship. Even skeptical secular scholar will say John was written within the 1st century

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 Have you looked into codex sinaiticus the oldest known and fairly recently found bible in the world, that they have translated into English now? ITs from the 4th century, its honestly amazing find, and its brilliant!

[ASexyChef]

@bobo577 IF you study experts as much as I have tried to, you have to also than grasp that some of what we read in the gospels are added from some other source or writer at a later date, like in John with In the Beginning was the Word, by scholars is known to be an addition at a later date and not part of the original gospel of John, which is used allot by people who use it as clear proof that Jesus is stating he is God. But its still known to be an addition to John from who knows.

[bobo577]

@ASexyChef He said "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE WITHOUT SEEING". Notice that Jesus didn't rebuke Thomas. The wise men who came to bare him gifts as a baby bowed down and worshiped him. Bowing down in religious reverence is considered from a biblical stand point an ACT OF WORSHIP. Hence in the Second Commandment, Yahweh says not build a graven image so you can BOW to it. Christ had people bowing to him in the New Testament, not once did he ever rebuke them for it.

[smartwarlord]

Great.

added to a playlist.

[Apocryphile1970]

@smartwarlord AWESOME! You are the Fonz!