Hi mate. You seem to have treasure trove of footage from 75-76. Which documentary have you got this clip from. Please upload more if you have some more from 1975-76 series.
@ElliottsFather Highly doubt it. Pbly one of the toughest shots to play and to hit it when someone is bowling near 90 mph needs almost superhuman reflexes. Also dont forget the bats in those days were nowhere near as good as today. Unless you hit it off the middle it wont fly.
Stats lie. Imagine what Akram would've done bowling on English greentops and bouncy Australian wickets for most of his career like Lillee did. I reckon he'd have challenged Murali's total. (I'm Aussie by the way, saw Lillee play, would have both of them in my best eleven, but would still put Akram and Marshall before Lillee.
@hanajinks i am not sure about that . no one is a bigger fan of Wasim than i am and if you look at his record on Australian wickets it is not that much better than his other wickets ......he might have had less injuries that I do believe. Even Akhtar when he went to Australia was never the terror that most thought he could be ...unlike Thommo or Holding
@AIMANALI yes true but i think that because Australains developed a good defence against wasim over the years. They left the bowl as much as they can when he swung the bowl. But not many other teams really got on top of him. I am a Sri Lankan and i must say our guys had a nightmare of a time against his bowling. He took two hatricks against us in two dead flat tracks in India. During his time if we ever won a test match against him that was when he was not playing for his team.
@melun1 well we can go about this all night .Wasim as a great bowler. read what Shane Warne said about him. I ones saw his bowl when he was ill and he bowled like 7 overs (42 balls) of military medium pace, leg cutters and pitched the ball in the same freak'n spot on the pitch for like 40 balls and the other ball was a perfect yorker and the other was a perfect off cutter again pitched on the same spot...both almost got a wicket. that totals 7 overs. batsmen could not do anything.end of part 1
@melun1 another time I saw him bowl a real fast spell and he was walking back to his mark and he dropped the ball like 3 or 4 steps back to his mark. He simply picked up the ball and from those three steps bowled a short one that the batsmen (I think it was one of the Waugh brothers) played it like it was 100 mph. As far as sheer talent and variety I have never seen anyone like him. Some of his deliveries, top order batsmen used to play like they have never batted a day in there life.
@pageious remember Akram bowled in many subcontient dead wickets where
there is nothing for fast bowlers while 90% of Lilees test are in fast bowler friendly green wickets so it is stupid to compare lilee with akram. Believe me many fast bowlers get hammered in subcontinent pitches still Akram kept on taking wickets because of his remakeble ability to swing the bowl. And It is better to compare Lilee with hadely. you figure it our 86 tests 431 vs 70 tests 355 wickets ......hmmm
@hanajinks Akram - 414 wickets in 104 tests. Average of 3.98 wickets per test. Lillee - 355 wickets in just 70 tests. Average of 5.07 wickets per test.
I want to buy DVDs of this series and the Kerry packer matches. Can anyone tell me where its available? I will go to any corner of the world .. thanks
It wasn't just Lillee and Thomson. All but forgotten is Gary Gilmour who led the averages with 20 wickets in 5 games at 20.30. He also averaged 26 with the bat including a brutal 96 at Adelaide
@Biggus63 That's a fair point. In the Lillian Thomson euphoria, one tends to overlook Gilmour's contributions. That 1975 World Cup semi-final aka 'Gilmour match' still hurts us :-) People at one point thought that this was the next Alan Davidson! It's a shame that his foot injury and lack of a stronger mindset thwarted him from achieving more.
@TheAdventurer1988 - Yeah, Gus was one of the great could have beens of modern cricket. So much talent, and such a rapid demise. When he was on song for those couple of years the 'Alan Davidson' comparisons didn't seem silly.
Wow, what an upload. That was simply amazing to hear. There was so much respect and almost a tinge of fear in Viv Richard's voice. If that is even possible. Thank you
@spaofgayindylove The words fear and Richards cannot be placed in the same sentence. I'd say that he had a healthy respect and admiration for Lillee and Thommo after this showing, but there was no one born of a woman that Vivian Richards feared!
@Imrankniazi - Viv was just a young guy back then and I reckon whilst not afraid he was certainly apprehensive, but he was one of the few Windies who increased their reputation during this series. I did enjoy your paraphrase of Macbeth there. You're O.K. for a young bloke! (That's a big compliment in Aussie-speak). Your respect for the game's history that is often lacking in others today is laudable.
@Biggus63 Have seen a few of his videos and I liked what I saw. IT's a shame that Gilmour couldn't make it big, but he had the potential for sure. His performance in the WC semi-final with ball and bat showed big-match temperament and an ability to perform under pressure. That's not very common.
From what I saw, he looked like a big lad and possibly fitness let him down a bit. That's where people like Dennis Lillee with their 'second wind theory' steal the cake!
How would you feeling going out to bat against Thompson? Personally, I think I'd shit myself if I was walking out, so to see Viv play him that way is... amazing. He's definately one of the best aggressive batsmen of all time.
BTW, can anyone find a clip of Thommo breaking David Lloyd's box... that's funny - serves him right for being a dodgy commentator
According to Viv himself, his scariest and most exhilarating battle was against Jeff Thomson in Barbados in 1978. All those who saw Thommo's spell that day considered it the fastest and most hostile spell they had ever seen. He was also deliberately no-balling, while Viv answered fire with fire. Simon Wilde describes the terrifying battle in the below link
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Viv's battles with Lillee, Thomson and Imran is the stuff of legends. All 3 rate him as the greatest. It is sad that only his videos against England are highlighted. His single-handed series against Imran Khan & Co in 1980-81 or his battles with Lillee, Thomson in 75-76 and 79-80 are rarely talked about. His 153* against Lillee, Thomson and Pascoe is considered the most brutal knock by anyone who has seen it.
I do not think thomson was as quick as LEE OR AKTHER,can you imagain if some1 get hit by LEE or AKTHER with out the helmet.thomson hit one of the batsman and he is still standing.he was no more then 90mph.
If you're referring to the clip, I think you're confusing Lillee with Thommo, as it looks like DK hits C. Lloyd towards the end of it.
Ask Rick McCosker if he was still standing after being hit by J. Snow. It broke his jaw and he batted in the 2nd innings with his head wrapped up like an easter egg. Andy Roberts broke David Hookes' jaw in WSC. Look for what Larwood did to Australians in Bodyline. Bing & Shaoib are quick, but they're no quicker than others in history.
i'm from the west indies and remember listening to Tony Cozier with the days' play at 7:00 a.m during this series and many more like it......good days....
..................Just to clarify................The landscape photograph the Daily mirror took of Daniel's run up was photographed from the mid wicket boundary......
Great comments; I remember West Indies coming to England in 1976 and crushing us. We started the series off with some old hands like Edrich (even Close was recalled at 46 years of age!!) - all we did was draw the first two tests, we had a slight chance in 2nd test but rain intervened. That series was terrifying for English batsman, I remember Wayne Daniel's run up, the Daily Mirror did a landscape photo of his run up from the mid wicket boundary. That was a hot, hot summer, great days.
For what my comment is worth. I would still rate the West Indies of the late 70's and 80's the best players ever. And I am from Australia. The only weakness they had was playing against spin bowling. Also I am an Australian cricket tragic.
I see you're a true lover of REAL Cricket battles. I loved those battles too. Growing up in Jamaica, I remember the Leewards Team led by Viv playing Jamaica @ Sabina Park. There was a COLLOSAL matchup of Viv vs Patterson. He bounced Viv first ball and hit off his cap. He bounced him 2nd ball, Viv hit him out of Sabina Park(LOL), 3rd ball; Patterson bounced him again and he got caught @ Long Leg by Walsh. The Place was jumping, and as we remember until the WICB destroyed Patto. He was 2 FAST...
Yes, I heard that Viv-Patterson battle. WICB at that time asked all senior players to play first class cricket. Upcoming fast bowlers tried to "impress" selectors by conning senior batsmen. Patto was seriously fast in his initial years.
The next encounter between Viv and Patterson happened an year or 2 later when Somerset took on Lancashire. This time Viv was prepared. Encouraged by his previous encounter, Patterson rained bouncers at Viv, and Viv hammered Patto for 33 runs in 2 overs.
As a boy in the 1970s I loved Australia - West Indies contests. As an Aussie we loved the Windies too. We wanted our side to win, but the batting exploits of Lloyd, Richards, Greenidge and the bowling of Roberts, Holding, Croft, Daniels was awesome to watch! :-)
I have to agree. And a cooler bunch of individuals, you'll never see again. I came on the scene a little later - in the mid to late 80's - when Australia was just fighting it's way back. Australia was usually on the receiving end (which made savouring their victories all the more enjoyable), but the fierce sporting culture of the Windies was still strong. Curtley Ambrose, Malcolm Marshall and Courtney Walsh (to a lesser extent, Winston Benjamin) were cool, sporting customers. Great to watch.
true but this was better , and am an indian . Also it is amazing how he faces such fast bowling without helmet and still trashes them , imagine facing brett lee , shane bond , shoaib akhtar without helmet and still driving them straight ....... awesome !!!
Jeffs action was a source of problem....the way his arm "disappeared" before delivery....so it was not only the speed. I believe that Holding was just as quick.
Why is it that back then the WI saw that the Aust were dominant and saw what they had to do to be better and the did it, but today everyone accuses the Aust of cheating and unfair play? They are the best in the world and everyone else has to lift there game, just like the WI did after this series.
Why? Because of Australian umpires. Apart from Simon Taufel, who I really like, they are DOWNRIGHT AWEFUL, especially HAIR who every Aussie and his mother suported. Also the Aussies are obnoxious while the WINDIES had class. How can you like someone when he wants to know what Brian Lara's dick tastes like?
Dude, your typical of a follower. That vid you got that comment from was an anti-Aust. And no one ever knows what was said you idiot, that wanker who put that vid up has put up several vids bagging Aust. Go to his one about a sri lankan sledging sturt law, then read what his intro says. Fact is, the WI didnt whine like everyone else does, they improved themselves. And everyone today should shut up and do the same or get used to getting bashed every year.
For a second if I even take your point to be correct, did he get McGrath to act in that manner as well, or was that a stunt double? Its a fact that Australian umpires are ATTROCIOUS in AUSTRALIA. There are many teams that have toured Australia which have been outdone by Australian Umpires and we should sit here and sing songs of praise for you? As a Pakistani supporter you cheats have robbed us many times.
This is world cricket you wanker, most of the umpires used in Aust are not Australian. You asian countries do nothing but complain and make excuses to try and mask your total inability to beat the best. You should watch how everyone else takes defeat, includ Aust! no whinging about umpires or the opposition. England beat Aust fair and square at home and the Aust accepted it, it hurt but they took it without making excuses, you dicks should try the same
Well why don't you tell that to Darryl Hair. After falsely accusing the Pakistanis, he then tried to extort $500,000 from the ICC. This isn't us "whinging". It's for the world to see and you people supported him, just like you do every clown, that's from your colony. If you defend him it should come as no surprse that you people look after your own. As a Pakistani supporter I KNOW FOR A FACT when playing Australia we need to remove 13 players to win SOME OF THEM IN WHITE COATS.
Pakistan/India/Sri Lanka, you all blame everyone else for you all being poor players of the game. Fact is the majority of your players wouldnt get a game in the Aust team because they arent good enough and in Inzimam's case he's too fat. You and your cricket team are mentally unstable and it shows with whats happening with your country at the moment. Notice in this vid that Aust were the No1 team, but soon to be over taken by WI? So when were Paki No1? Fuckwit!
in 1992 we were World champions and in 99 after losing the WC final we went to Australia to tear your asses apart and a team which had beaten Australia in the preliminary rounds of the WC, had stormed through to the final with the worlds greatest bowling attack, lost the test and one day series to a bunch of cunts who had to cheat to win. Watch the 99 series in Australia you cunt. Just watch it especially the second test. cheats.
McGrath never said what was claimed in that vid, and I am not condoning what he did after Sarwan gave it back because he carried on like a dill. McGrath dished it out and Sarwan gave it back and what was said only the players know, but the idiot who posted that vid decided he would add something to make McGrath look even worse, pretty much as he did with Law in the other vid. Even tho Law didnt do or say anything.
That's one example. Pakistan even considered cancelling their tour of Australia, once when sledging got so bad. Its almost IMPOSSIBLE to get a leg b4 or caught behind IN AUSTRALIA. Watch the 2nd test of our tour in 1999 when a bowling attack including AKRAM, YOUNIS and AKHTAR destroyed your top order and was bailed out by your umpires. Then Ill make you a deal. You stop telling lies about us and the Pakistanis will stop telling the truth about you and your men in white.
Your nothing but a whinging prick who has a chip on your shoulder. What does this vid have to do with Darrell Hair you fucking mental retard? You talk like Pakistan are always hard done by, your full of shit and cant handle the fact that you get beaten by a better team, fair and square.
I suppose Ireland beating you in the world cup was because of someone else? Wouldnt be because you were fucking shithouse now would it?
Bitch you got beaten by Bangladesh so fuck you. Darrel Hair is a shining example of your umpiring. HE's an AUSTRALIAN umpire IS HE NOT? Pakistan are hard done by in Australia you faggot, BY YOUR UMPIRES. Watch the 99 series.
I did watch that series dickhead. Which bad umpiring decisions did you get? In the 1st Innings you had one LBW that went against you and it was plum, and given by Peter Willey who is not Aust. Id rather lose to Bangladesh, they are a test nation. You lost to Ireland who wouldnt know what a test match was. You lost that OD series and test series because you werent good enough and 1992 was 15 years ago, get with the times loser
You sure you saw that series? In the second test when Australia needed 360+ to win agaisnt our bowling attack and we had you down to 125/5 and Gilchrist and Langer were on the crease BOTH WERE CAUGHT BEHIND TWICE BUT NOT GIVEN, Gilchrist off of AKRAM when he was below 50 TWICE. Don't tell me you saw. YOU DIDNT SEE SHIT. Typical Australian. That one LBW my friend was ONE OF MANY. Last time I CHECKED LBW was out in cricket and it is a vital LAW which we never get in AUSTRALIA.
Naaa. Telling you that you are cheats and proving it is good enough. I never said that was the only time you people cheated. The Darryl Hair incident only happened last year.
jesus dawg you've got a nasty chip on your shoulder - and a pak supporter accusing other countries of cheating umpires is a bit rich. remember shakoor rana? in 20+ years of test cricket, how many times was javed miandad out lbw in pakistan?
What?!! I am the one with the chip on my shoulder time after time you assholes accuse us and come up short. Before there was a Shakoor Rana there was a David Constant. When England beat Australia in the ashes, reverse swing was an art and when Pakistan smashed England it was ball tampering. I can debate that as well with you. Just because your media suffers from selective Amnesia doesn't mean we don't remember your true worth.
you're bitching about the umpiring in a series 9 years ago where one of the umpires was neutral? Take a look at a youtube clip called "Funny Gatting Wicket" for an idea of what Pakistan tours were like before neutral umpires.
b4 I have a look at Shakoor Rana I think you should do a little research on a great English umpire called David Constant. Although I never condoned Rana's actions, unlike the aussies who condoned Hair's, it was very small compared to David Constant's. Then you will know why the Rana affair happened. Also Gatting's behavior was more offensive than anything the Pakistanis have ever done.
as far as i remember, the controversy around Constant was limited to a few disputed decisions. Truth is, neutral umpires are one of the best things to be introduced into cricket for a long time. There was always a suspicion of bias around local umpires, sometimes real and sometimes imagined
All umpires are human, they all make mistakes including Paki umpires too. And if my memory serves me right, didnt the Paki team refuse to come out after the break? They were given more than enough time, but they chose not to, thus breaking the laws of the game, they forfeited the match. If they wanted to protest, there were proper channels to go down, no team is above the laws no matter what the reason. What they did was wrong, 2 wrongs dont make a right.
damn right they refused to come out. The game is not bigger than our national integrity. As if, as a Pakistani I give a fuck about a test match. The Pakistanis would have been whipped endlessly for ball tampering if we did not take a stand and look what happened when we did. The bastard had no proof and then wanted to extort $500,000. What a lying thieving cheating Aussie super hero?! Each one of u supported him SHAMELESSLY.
Australians are cheats. There is absolutely no doubt about it. There was even an Aus fast bowler in the old days who put grease on his hands before handling the ball.
What a load of shit. And who would this mystery bowler be? You have just shown yourself to be a stupid fool who can only make up stories about the older players
And if this mystery bowler had grease on his hands, how did he manage to bowl the ball?
You sound like you are yet another brain-dead Sri Lankan who thinks they know everything. Your dickless country has been in world cricket less than 20 yrs you stupid fuck, you should learn to keep your trap shut about others until you get some world cricket history behind you. You win the world cup once and you all think your opinion about other countries matters.
How do you know i am a Sri Lankan? So anybody who calls Australians cheats are Asian? Type 'Aus bowler grease on hand' or something similar in google and you will find it.
Now lets see how cicvilise you really are shall we??
India and Pak have been fighting over the same piece of land for decades, why?
Pak political system has collapsed, the country is in disarray under military rule.
SL is raked with terrorism with bomb blast almost daily. Yet you people tell us we cheat and are racist, even tho our country is one of the most multicultural in the world. How many diff cultures live in your country?
I wasnt attacking Australia the nation, i was attacking the Australian Cricket and its administration. There is a difference. I have been to Australia and it is a nice country.
We are very patriotic, you attack anything to do with shit-assed fabricated lies about anyone from here you will get it back in spades you ass-wipe. You and your dickless friends keep on ranting about us cheating, yet you cant name any such time that we did. You are pathetic sore losers who will find any lame-brained excuse for losing. Do what th WI did after this series, they copped defeat and shut up and improved themselves to the level of domination for 20 yrs. Peanut.
Since your inception into world cricket your country has done nothing but complain about everyone and eveything. Its about time you lot sat back, shut up and started to improve your cricket, because since your world cup win, over 11 years ago too, you have done nothing and won nothing worth noting. You get hammered and the best you can come up with is everyone cheats.
Actually the ones who do the most complaining are the ones who do the most cheating (Australia). I have been to Australia and have seen how the media creates so much bullshit about foreign players.
I dont give a flying fuck where your from, either way your a whining sook who hates the idea that Aust are so dominant and have been for 15 years. And the best you can come up with is they cheat? Funny how there are no Eng/NZ/WI/SA on here raving about the same thing, dont you? But then again you asian countries know better than everyone else, being from such civilised, democratic countries, dont you?
This guy is such a loser. Yeah lets not pay attention to facts like Darrel Hair is an Aussie and that Australians are called cheats by every Test playing nation. NZ dont think you are cheats??? hahahaha... NOW THATS FUNNY.
If you are british, then why do you talk about Paki as in the terms "we", "us" and "our team"??
And you claimed the Aust players cheated, you never said anything about the Aust admin and not all the umpires in that series were from Aust you dickhead. After reading all your posts lately, I and everyone else can see your hypocrisy and baseless claims. And I dont see vast amounts of NZ or UK people claiming what a host of you asians do here.
Thats because they face the brunt of it like the Asian teams do. The Asians teams have to put up with Australian racism in its ranks, Darryl Hair being a fine example, so they let it be known. Austrlalia doesnt feel the heat from NZ or the UK. They feel the heat from the Pakistanis. Hell even your cheating ex PM Howard the faggot, spoke out against Murali for crying out loud.
I always find it interesting to read some of the diatribe you asians come out with, each time you brand Aust as cheats or racist. But everytime someone asks you to name when this has happened and with facts you cant. You called Hair a racist, is that to be backed up with fact? or is that just your own perception? Its one thing to have your own opinion, but its another to back it up with fact. And all this stuff you keep rambling on about happened yrs ago. Fool
Ofcourse it is backed up by fact. He has always had trouble with Asian teams and the only teams that supported him were NZ/ENG/AUS. Even your beloved WI backed his removal. Is it because these NON WHITE guys thought he was a good umpire? His actions speak louder than your words. I suggest you wake up and admit the obvious because so far your doing as well as a one legged guy in an bum kicking competition. Hair AND the 99 series is the best example of your cheating umpires.
You are a true blu dickhead. The only countries that constantly complain about umpires,the opposition,the crowds,the equipment,the rules......Are either Pak/Indian/SL, the same 3 teams that in the last 5 years have started to really fall behind the rest of the world in international cricket.
SL: Have not improved there place in test match cricket and can not match the top teams, there only claim to fame is the world cup win, 11 yrs ago and losing the WC 2003 final. Poor win loss record at test level away from home.
India: Failed to make the final 8 in last WC, losing to B/desh along the way. Only claim is 20/20 win. Has not made WC final for over 20 yrs and has an average test record away.
Paki: Poor record in tests in last 5 yrs, only claim is beaten by Aust in WC final '99.
See here is a fine example of Australian stupidity. Get your facts right. The 2003 Final was played by Aussie and INDIA and the 2007 final was Sri Lanka. For your information, Oh great Australian guru, IRELAND BEAT BANGLDESH IN THE WORLDCUP :D so they were a better team... asswipe :D Finally that is a shining example of OUR UMPIRES NOT CHEATING that teams dont go away thinking they were robbed by poor umpiring, UNLIKE WHEN THEY TOUR AUSTRALIA.
And not one of those 3 countries are good enough to have one of there own ex-players as a coach. And Paki biggest shame was to be beaten in the 2003 WC by Ireland, a country who does not even compete in test match cricket and never will. For a top nation to lose against lowly test nations is one thing, but to lose to a nation who would hardly know what cricket was is laughable
That coach point is a joke. You hire the best man for the job. What does nationality have to do with ability If that is a reason why would the Australians hire an American Mike Young to coach fielding. God this is embaressing. You're too stupid.
Your doing a great job of making yourself look the fool. If your country was so great at the sport, you wouldnt need to look elsewhere for a coach now would you? And because Ireland beat B/desh, does that all of a sudden make it ok that you lost to them too? Your a dickhead
You got beat by a country who dont even play cricket professionally, that is disgraceful. And because they beat a minow like Bangladesh is such a lame excuse for you to lose to them. Fact is, your country has fallen so far behind everyone else, youve become the easy beats. And there is no sting out of any arguement when it comes to the pathetic responses you give for losing. Its either everyone else cheated or thre umpires fault, all this without any base facts. Face it, your fucked at the game
I actually couldnt be bothered now, you keep talking about the same thing.....Everyones a cheat and a racist, players, spectators, umpires, administrators etc. And your country is pure as the driven snow! Fact is you and the rest of the asian countries have become really poor at test match and ODI and the figures dont lie. Think everyone who see this knows who the dumb cunt is and he's not Australian.
WHo said anything about the country. Unlike you, Im speaking of the Australian umpires and cricket team. Everybody who spoke in Hair's favor was from the Aussie Cricket Team or Cricket Administration
Your dumb-assed team refused to come out and play, the umpires (and there were 2 of them, and one wasnt from Aust) were right to call you forfeit the match. You want to protest, do it with in the rules of the game. You are not above the laws of cricket, no matter what the reason. Dude, your a fucking whinging sook who keeps on raving about things from the past. Move on or you will stay at the bottom where you belong. Now fuck off
Hair was an umpire not a player, you lot always seem to want to assoc everything back to the players.
Stop your fucking whinging, your starting to sound like a 10 yr old who cant get his own way, grow up you fucking sad sack. And while your at it, fuck off and take your sooky lala sob story elsewhere, cos the last time I looked this was a vid not including you Pakistani fuck wits. Piss off you melon headed moron.
My my!!! The truth seems to be hurting you tigerrish. I changed my mind. Fuck you and your country. I just realised that that cunt Howard is your PM and even that loser cock got involved by guiding the umpires by calling Murali a cheat. If the PM can be a cheat then why should the country be different. Cheating is in your genetics you convict.
Howard is no longer PM, cockhead. Your not even worth the effort anymore, your only arguement is this lame cheating excuse, but like most of the whining sooks like you, its your opinion based without facts. And the whole convict thing is also pretty lame, if thats the best sledge you can come up with then your a sad and sorry case. And the last time I looked, your own country wasnt exactly in great shape, much like your poor-assed cricket team, so dont go round bagging my country
Man, you camel humping, pole dancing sausage Jockey. I don't give a flying fuck about your prison. Your umpires are shit, they are cheats, controversial and ugly :D Like the rest of your country.
Yeah, but Shoaib is also a liability to his team and can be a bit of a show pony. Thommo must have been utterly terrifying to face at his peak. Shoaib should have done more with his undoubted talent.
I saw most of this series, and Thomson was unbelievably quick. He was clocked twice, at Perth and Melbourne, both times at just over 160 kph. He probably bowled faster at some point. And look at the batting line up he destroyed: Fredericks, Greenwich, Lloyd, Richards, Kallicharran, Rowe ... one of best batting sides of all time
This is the most awesome coverage of the most devastating pair of pacemen ever. Its not hard to judge looking at that footage and seeing where the keeper and slips are standing that these guys were way more dangerous than Akhtar or Lee or any of the pacemen of the later generations. Thomson would be frightening even with all modern protective clothing. Without that, its like waiting to commit suicide facing him.
That isn't Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram dumb ass. The only reason they look devestating is there is no protective gear on the batsmen giving the illusion of how dangerous the bowlers are.
You are a dick arent you? The No1 test countries have based there teams around a great bowling attack. Tha Aust dominated here because of Thomson/Lillee and the 2 back up bowlers. The WI did the same with Holding/Roberts with 4 back ups and the last 10-15 yrs Aust have with McGrath/Warne with 4 back ups. Paki only had Waqar/Wasim with no fall back, hardly a comparision really. And all players knew that once they saw off those 2 it was open slather, thats why Pak were never No1.
STFU you idiot. When Pakistan toured Australia in 1999 when Australia won due to the hard work of its Umpires, the Pakistani bowling was so strong that Waqar Younis sat out the first test. The reason the Aussies get no respect is because everybody knows the secret of your success has always been your umpires. Idiot.
We all know who the idiot is here. The more you carry on the more you look foolish. If you did your homework you would know that there are actually very few Aust who are international umpires. If the Paki bowling was so strong, why didnt they win the series? Pak had Waqar and Wasim and then the rest fell away badly. In '99 Lee played second fiddle to McGrath, today he has taken over the role of No1 bowler. Who was the next in line for Pak in '99, are they showing the way today?
BECAUSE OF YOUR UMPIRES YOU FUCKING AUSSIE KANGAROO FUCKER; BECAUSE OF YOUR AUSTRALIAN UMPIRES, YOUR AUSTRALIAN UMPIRES and one more time because you can't understand your language YOUR UMPIRES. Watch the series you convict. we lost because of YOUR UMPIRES. Does it make sense now? idiot. Waqar Younis sat out because ou lineup was so strong. He is better than any Aussie bowler EVER.
You are a dickhead of the highest order, you ramble about excuses but no reasoning. Son, your team is a poor excuse for a cricket nation, just look out how you bowed out of the world cup........Ireland, I didnt even know they played cricket!
yea yea... No one ever thought Australians are cheats. Darrel Hair never asked for $500,000 from the ICC. What more proof do you want? If that is not a smoking gun wat is. Look, the truth will set you free. Just admit that Australian umpires are extortionist cheats and enjoy ur cricket.
Our bowling attack in that series was and pay attention now clever boy:- Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar, Abdur Razzaq, Azhar Mehmood, Saqlain Mushtaq and Mushtaq Ahmad. That's a stronger bowling line up than Australia has ever had. Unless ofcourse you play them in Australia, when the Aussies have the best team players on the pitch, dressed in white. Cheats.
Dude, you ramble on about how good Paki is and you complain that they are hard done by when the toured here, that was 8 years ago. So why is it that your still not No1 test nation and still not No1 ODI nation? You lost to a country at the last world cup who think that cricket is an insect that lives in the ground. Wake up, your no good.
At this moment, yes we are weaker but then, unlike you, I have the class to admit our short comings. Each and everyone of the players I have mentioned would make it into the Australian team. I don't know which world you're living in sun shine?!
Than we've ever had? Doubt it mate. Seems to me that McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne were good enough to beat any team any where at their peak. That includes *away* from home too.
Rubbish. You seem to have this fixation about Australian umpiring. How then do you explain Australia's continued success at test level when two neutral umpires are in operation? Some dastardly plot by the ACB? If so, I think you give us a little too much credit.
He is correct. Touring sides always suffer horrendous umpiring in OZ. This has been happening year after year. Bad umpiring occurs all over the world but in Australia it really takes the cake.
No better or worse than anywhere mate. Try India and Pakistan on for size. It's a moot point anyway, with two neutral umpires these days there can surely be no accusation of bias. Incompetence yes, but that is test umpiring the world over these days.
This is laughable when you consider that one test in Pakistan there were 8 LBW decisions 1 against Pakistan,7 against New Zealand bringing Martin Crowe to call for neutral umpires
mitch, I give what I get. If you want to sit back and accept the bad attitudes then do so. For the record dude, I work in tourism and meet people form all over the world, if I was racist I wouldnt last long in what I do.
You should delve a lil deeper in to "every cricket vid"
Dont want to get into the middle of this wonderful discussion between you gentlemen, but, for whatever it is worth one can be a Priest and be racist. By the way I love the discussion. I live in the US, so I can be considered neutral, I hope, at least.
WTF!! how am I racist you asshole. How is my ripping on the cricket umpiring make me a racist? I don't have anything against Australian people UNLIKE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE who are known to attack South Asians and Lebanese people. I am pissed that Pakistan is robbed of wins in Australia regularly by poor umpiring decisions and I have every right to be.
Would you like to tell us all about the decisions that cost you a game? Or would that be yet another "your all cheats" claim? You know if you go to other vids on here, they all end with the same countries claiming everyone is a cheat because they arent good enough. You should take the shovel to your own back yard, it looks pretty bad.
If its not the umpires its the supposed cheating (which no one can name when) or the sledging or the drugs or the fixing of the pitches or the racism ............ Man, we've heard them all, the really funny thing is your in the long line of people who make outrageous claims with nothing more than hot air to back it up. So, if you like, keep them coming because they do make you look quite silly. Especially on a vid that doesnt have Paki's!
That was indeed a commanding shot. Taking nothing away from Sachin or Lara, but they just cant play it like this man. Notice, I did not even mention Ponting, who really is not the class of these gentlemen, an umpire's favourite for some unknown reason.
Hi mate. You seem to have treasure trove of footage from 75-76. Which documentary have you got this clip from. Please upload more if you have some more from 1975-76 series.
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Akram - 414 wickets in 104 tests. Average of 3.98 wickets per test. Lillee - 355 wickets in just 70 tests. Average of 5.07 wickets per test.
Lillee didnt play a single match in either india or pakistan and played very few tests in the west indies.....
AKRAM is the best by a long long way
35krishnamohan 9 months ago
jesus...no helmets, no arm guards, thigh pads. you either get lillie or thommo, or 10 ft tall west indian quicks. f@%king terrifying stuff.
optimusumitpo 1 year ago 2
Ashes to ashes...
Dust to to dust...
If Thommo don't get ya....
Lilliee must !!!!
SPOOKSTR 1 year ago
I wonder if we'll ever see anyone straight drive a paceman off the back foot for four again.
ElliottsFather 1 year ago
@ElliottsFather Highly doubt it. Pbly one of the toughest shots to play and to hit it when someone is bowling near 90 mph needs almost superhuman reflexes. Also dont forget the bats in those days were nowhere near as good as today. Unless you hit it off the middle it wont fly.
damri 4 months ago
Stats lie. Imagine what Akram would've done bowling on English greentops and bouncy Australian wickets for most of his career like Lillee did. I reckon he'd have challenged Murali's total. (I'm Aussie by the way, saw Lillee play, would have both of them in my best eleven, but would still put Akram and Marshall before Lillee.
hanajinks 1 year ago
@hanajinks i am not sure about that . no one is a bigger fan of Wasim than i am and if you look at his record on Australian wickets it is not that much better than his other wickets ......he might have had less injuries that I do believe. Even Akhtar when he went to Australia was never the terror that most thought he could be ...unlike Thommo or Holding
AIMANALI 1 year ago
@AIMANALI yes true but i think that because Australains developed a good defence against wasim over the years. They left the bowl as much as they can when he swung the bowl. But not many other teams really got on top of him. I am a Sri Lankan and i must say our guys had a nightmare of a time against his bowling. He took two hatricks against us in two dead flat tracks in India. During his time if we ever won a test match against him that was when he was not playing for his team.
melun1 11 months ago
@melun1 well we can go about this all night .Wasim as a great bowler. read what Shane Warne said about him. I ones saw his bowl when he was ill and he bowled like 7 overs (42 balls) of military medium pace, leg cutters and pitched the ball in the same freak'n spot on the pitch for like 40 balls and the other ball was a perfect yorker and the other was a perfect off cutter again pitched on the same spot...both almost got a wicket. that totals 7 overs. batsmen could not do anything.end of part 1
AIMANALI 11 months ago
@melun1 another time I saw him bowl a real fast spell and he was walking back to his mark and he dropped the ball like 3 or 4 steps back to his mark. He simply picked up the ball and from those three steps bowled a short one that the batsmen (I think it was one of the Waugh brothers) played it like it was 100 mph. As far as sheer talent and variety I have never seen anyone like him. Some of his deliveries, top order batsmen used to play like they have never batted a day in there life.
AIMANALI 11 months ago
@pageious remember Akram bowled in many subcontient dead wickets where
there is nothing for fast bowlers while 90% of Lilees test are in fast bowler friendly green wickets so it is stupid to compare lilee with akram. Believe me many fast bowlers get hammered in subcontinent pitches still Akram kept on taking wickets because of his remakeble ability to swing the bowl. And It is better to compare Lilee with hadely. you figure it our 86 tests 431 vs 70 tests 355 wickets ......hmmm
melun1 1 year ago
Lillee. Simply the greatest. No grey. No matter of opinion. Just plain, inarguable fact. The greatest ever.
pageois 1 year ago
@pageois Akram?
hanajinks 1 year ago
@hanajinks Akram - 414 wickets in 104 tests. Average of 3.98 wickets per test. Lillee - 355 wickets in just 70 tests. Average of 5.07 wickets per test.
Lillee. Simply the greatest.
pageois 1 year ago
I want to buy DVDs of this series and the Kerry packer matches. Can anyone tell me where its available? I will go to any corner of the world .. thanks
ssjumbo2 1 year ago
It wasn't just Lillee and Thomson. All but forgotten is Gary Gilmour who led the averages with 20 wickets in 5 games at 20.30. He also averaged 26 with the bat including a brutal 96 at Adelaide
Biggus63 1 year ago
@Biggus63 That's a fair point. In the Lillian Thomson euphoria, one tends to overlook Gilmour's contributions. That 1975 World Cup semi-final aka 'Gilmour match' still hurts us :-) People at one point thought that this was the next Alan Davidson! It's a shame that his foot injury and lack of a stronger mindset thwarted him from achieving more.
TheAdventurer1988 1 year ago
@TheAdventurer1988 - Yeah, Gus was one of the great could have beens of modern cricket. So much talent, and such a rapid demise. When he was on song for those couple of years the 'Alan Davidson' comparisons didn't seem silly.
Biggus63 1 year ago
Wow, what an upload. That was simply amazing to hear. There was so much respect and almost a tinge of fear in Viv Richard's voice. If that is even possible. Thank you
spaofgayindylove 1 year ago
@spaofgayindylove The words fear and Richards cannot be placed in the same sentence. I'd say that he had a healthy respect and admiration for Lillee and Thommo after this showing, but there was no one born of a woman that Vivian Richards feared!
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
@Imrankniazi - Viv was just a young guy back then and I reckon whilst not afraid he was certainly apprehensive, but he was one of the few Windies who increased their reputation during this series. I did enjoy your paraphrase of Macbeth there. You're O.K. for a young bloke! (That's a big compliment in Aussie-speak). Your respect for the game's history that is often lacking in others today is laudable.
Biggus63 1 year ago
@Biggus63
Thanks! BTW, I came across this video and thought you'd like this (if you haven't already seen his) - watch?v=Y2OzwscLhGU.
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
@Imrankniazi - Yeah saw that one. If you're not familiar with Gilmour check his 6-14 in 1975 World cup SF here-watch?v=nq0sLjZ19sA
Biggus63 1 year ago
@Biggus63 - He also took 5-48 from memory in the final Vs W.I. Later when asked "how do you bowl to Clive Lloyd?" he quipped "in a helmet!"
Biggus63 1 year ago
@Biggus63 Have seen a few of his videos and I liked what I saw. IT's a shame that Gilmour couldn't make it big, but he had the potential for sure. His performance in the WC semi-final with ball and bat showed big-match temperament and an ability to perform under pressure. That's not very common.
From what I saw, he looked like a big lad and possibly fitness let him down a bit. That's where people like Dennis Lillee with their 'second wind theory' steal the cake!
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
wonder if someone can upload the entire show
ednan9 1 year ago
Does anyone have the clips of Roy Fredericks blazing 169 at Perth in the only West Indian win in the 1975-76 series.
dfb1976 2 years ago
@dfb1976 yeah I have heard stories about that . Thommo said he was the best reflex player he faced
AIMANALI 1 year ago
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Anyone have Richard's 153 in a one day against Australia in 1982-83 (I think). They said it was the best since Bradman, making up strokes.
knighterrantfilms 2 years ago
Anyone have Richard's 153 in a one day against Australia in 1982-83 (I think). They said it was the best since Bradman, making up strokes.
knighterrantfilms 2 years ago
How would you feeling going out to bat against Thompson? Personally, I think I'd shit myself if I was walking out, so to see Viv play him that way is... amazing. He's definately one of the best aggressive batsmen of all time.
BTW, can anyone find a clip of Thommo breaking David Lloyd's box... that's funny - serves him right for being a dodgy commentator
DJEffrey77 2 years ago 2
It's in the video "Australia vs England 1975"
gotta hurt that one
mikepumpkin 2 years ago
@DJEffrey77
Personally, I'd have a much harder time walking into bat against Lillee than thompson ! It may just be me.
dinboy778 2 years ago
if you are talking about getting out lillee but if you are talking about being knocked out then thommo would be scariest
videoonline72 2 years ago
@DJEffrey77 /watch?v=9PXRTraA1tY
cricketluver4life 1 year ago
According to Viv himself, his scariest and most exhilarating battle was against Jeff Thomson in Barbados in 1978. All those who saw Thommo's spell that day considered it the fastest and most hostile spell they had ever seen. He was also deliberately no-balling, while Viv answered fire with fire. Simon Wilde describes the terrifying battle in the below link
tinyurl (dot) com (forward-slash) vivrichards-lillee
[replace the words "dot" and "forward-slash" with actual symbols and rem all spaces]
yuck4u 2 years ago
Viv's battles with Lillee, Thomson and Imran is the stuff of legends. All 3 rate him as the greatest. It is sad that only his videos against England are highlighted. His single-handed series against Imran Khan & Co in 1980-81 or his battles with Lillee, Thomson in 75-76 and 79-80 are rarely talked about. His 153* against Lillee, Thomson and Pascoe is considered the most brutal knock by anyone who has seen it.
ukunapul 2 years ago
I do not think thomson was as quick as LEE OR AKTHER,can you imagain if some1 get hit by LEE or AKTHER with out the helmet.thomson hit one of the batsman and he is still standing.he was no more then 90mph.
varifocal85 2 years ago
If you're referring to the clip, I think you're confusing Lillee with Thommo, as it looks like DK hits C. Lloyd towards the end of it.
Ask Rick McCosker if he was still standing after being hit by J. Snow. It broke his jaw and he batted in the 2nd innings with his head wrapped up like an easter egg. Andy Roberts broke David Hookes' jaw in WSC. Look for what Larwood did to Australians in Bodyline. Bing & Shaoib are quick, but they're no quicker than others in history.
youandyamum 2 years ago
i'm from the west indies and remember listening to Tony Cozier with the days' play at 7:00 a.m during this series and many more like it......good days....
vkellman 2 years ago
..................Just to clarify................The landscape photograph the Daily mirror took of Daniel's run up was photographed from the mid wicket boundary......
1sleofskye4 2 years ago
Great comments; I remember West Indies coming to England in 1976 and crushing us. We started the series off with some old hands like Edrich (even Close was recalled at 46 years of age!!) - all we did was draw the first two tests, we had a slight chance in 2nd test but rain intervened. That series was terrifying for English batsman, I remember Wayne Daniel's run up, the Daily Mirror did a landscape photo of his run up from the mid wicket boundary. That was a hot, hot summer, great days.
1sleofskye4 2 years ago
For what my comment is worth. I would still rate the West Indies of the late 70's and 80's the best players ever. And I am from Australia. The only weakness they had was playing against spin bowling. Also I am an Australian cricket tragic.
mtp0202 2 years ago
I see you're a true lover of REAL Cricket battles. I loved those battles too. Growing up in Jamaica, I remember the Leewards Team led by Viv playing Jamaica @ Sabina Park. There was a COLLOSAL matchup of Viv vs Patterson. He bounced Viv first ball and hit off his cap. He bounced him 2nd ball, Viv hit him out of Sabina Park(LOL), 3rd ball; Patterson bounced him again and he got caught @ Long Leg by Walsh. The Place was jumping, and as we remember until the WICB destroyed Patto. He was 2 FAST...
iron2468 3 years ago
Yes, I heard that Viv-Patterson battle. WICB at that time asked all senior players to play first class cricket. Upcoming fast bowlers tried to "impress" selectors by conning senior batsmen. Patto was seriously fast in his initial years.
The next encounter between Viv and Patterson happened an year or 2 later when Somerset took on Lancashire. This time Viv was prepared. Encouraged by his previous encounter, Patterson rained bouncers at Viv, and Viv hammered Patto for 33 runs in 2 overs.
yuck4u 2 years ago
As a boy in the 1970s I loved Australia - West Indies contests. As an Aussie we loved the Windies too. We wanted our side to win, but the batting exploits of Lloyd, Richards, Greenidge and the bowling of Roberts, Holding, Croft, Daniels was awesome to watch! :-)
dabble778 3 years ago 2
I have to agree. And a cooler bunch of individuals, you'll never see again. I came on the scene a little later - in the mid to late 80's - when Australia was just fighting it's way back. Australia was usually on the receiving end (which made savouring their victories all the more enjoyable), but the fierce sporting culture of the Windies was still strong. Curtley Ambrose, Malcolm Marshall and Courtney Walsh (to a lesser extent, Winston Benjamin) were cool, sporting customers. Great to watch.
mathewdeering 2 years ago
The backfoot drive past Dennis Lillee was one of the most unbelievable shots I have ever seen! Unbelievable!
AnInfant 3 years ago
ooooooo !!! IVA back foot drive, hitting the ball past the bowler (Lillee) - majestic !
cucuckshow 3 years ago 2
cucuckshow (2 months ago)
ooooooo !!! IVA back foot drive, hitting the ball past the bowler (Lillee) - majestic !
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The EXACT same shot Tendulkar hit Brett Lee during the CB series 2007/08
sonofthedestroyer 3 years ago
true but this was better , and am an indian . Also it is amazing how he faces such fast bowling without helmet and still trashes them , imagine facing brett lee , shane bond , shoaib akhtar without helmet and still driving them straight ....... awesome !!!
67810234 3 years ago 2
Jeffs action was a source of problem....the way his arm "disappeared" before delivery....so it was not only the speed. I believe that Holding was just as quick.
AIMANALI 3 years ago
Love the one that gets Clive Lloyd in the head. What an unplayable brute of a ball, from just short of a length
mikepumpkin 4 years ago
Why is it that back then the WI saw that the Aust were dominant and saw what they had to do to be better and the did it, but today everyone accuses the Aust of cheating and unfair play? They are the best in the world and everyone else has to lift there game, just like the WI did after this series.
tigerrish 4 years ago
Why? Because of Australian umpires. Apart from Simon Taufel, who I really like, they are DOWNRIGHT AWEFUL, especially HAIR who every Aussie and his mother suported. Also the Aussies are obnoxious while the WINDIES had class. How can you like someone when he wants to know what Brian Lara's dick tastes like?
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Dude, your typical of a follower. That vid you got that comment from was an anti-Aust. And no one ever knows what was said you idiot, that wanker who put that vid up has put up several vids bagging Aust. Go to his one about a sri lankan sledging sturt law, then read what his intro says. Fact is, the WI didnt whine like everyone else does, they improved themselves. And everyone today should shut up and do the same or get used to getting bashed every year.
tigerrish 4 years ago
For a second if I even take your point to be correct, did he get McGrath to act in that manner as well, or was that a stunt double? Its a fact that Australian umpires are ATTROCIOUS in AUSTRALIA. There are many teams that have toured Australia which have been outdone by Australian Umpires and we should sit here and sing songs of praise for you? As a Pakistani supporter you cheats have robbed us many times.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
This is world cricket you wanker, most of the umpires used in Aust are not Australian. You asian countries do nothing but complain and make excuses to try and mask your total inability to beat the best. You should watch how everyone else takes defeat, includ Aust! no whinging about umpires or the opposition. England beat Aust fair and square at home and the Aust accepted it, it hurt but they took it without making excuses, you dicks should try the same
tigerrish 4 years ago
Well why don't you tell that to Darryl Hair. After falsely accusing the Pakistanis, he then tried to extort $500,000 from the ICC. This isn't us "whinging". It's for the world to see and you people supported him, just like you do every clown, that's from your colony. If you defend him it should come as no surprse that you people look after your own. As a Pakistani supporter I KNOW FOR A FACT when playing Australia we need to remove 13 players to win SOME OF THEM IN WHITE COATS.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Pakistan/India/Sri Lanka, you all blame everyone else for you all being poor players of the game. Fact is the majority of your players wouldnt get a game in the Aust team because they arent good enough and in Inzimam's case he's too fat. You and your cricket team are mentally unstable and it shows with whats happening with your country at the moment. Notice in this vid that Aust were the No1 team, but soon to be over taken by WI? So when were Paki No1? Fuckwit!
tigerrish 4 years ago
in 1992 we were World champions and in 99 after losing the WC final we went to Australia to tear your asses apart and a team which had beaten Australia in the preliminary rounds of the WC, had stormed through to the final with the worlds greatest bowling attack, lost the test and one day series to a bunch of cunts who had to cheat to win. Watch the 99 series in Australia you cunt. Just watch it especially the second test. cheats.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
McGrath never said what was claimed in that vid, and I am not condoning what he did after Sarwan gave it back because he carried on like a dill. McGrath dished it out and Sarwan gave it back and what was said only the players know, but the idiot who posted that vid decided he would add something to make McGrath look even worse, pretty much as he did with Law in the other vid. Even tho Law didnt do or say anything.
tigerrish 4 years ago
That's one example. Pakistan even considered cancelling their tour of Australia, once when sledging got so bad. Its almost IMPOSSIBLE to get a leg b4 or caught behind IN AUSTRALIA. Watch the 2nd test of our tour in 1999 when a bowling attack including AKRAM, YOUNIS and AKHTAR destroyed your top order and was bailed out by your umpires. Then Ill make you a deal. You stop telling lies about us and the Pakistanis will stop telling the truth about you and your men in white.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Your nothing but a whinging prick who has a chip on your shoulder. What does this vid have to do with Darrell Hair you fucking mental retard? You talk like Pakistan are always hard done by, your full of shit and cant handle the fact that you get beaten by a better team, fair and square.
I suppose Ireland beating you in the world cup was because of someone else? Wouldnt be because you were fucking shithouse now would it?
tigerrish 4 years ago
Bitch you got beaten by Bangladesh so fuck you. Darrel Hair is a shining example of your umpiring. HE's an AUSTRALIAN umpire IS HE NOT? Pakistan are hard done by in Australia you faggot, BY YOUR UMPIRES. Watch the 99 series.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
I did watch that series dickhead. Which bad umpiring decisions did you get? In the 1st Innings you had one LBW that went against you and it was plum, and given by Peter Willey who is not Aust. Id rather lose to Bangladesh, they are a test nation. You lost to Ireland who wouldnt know what a test match was. You lost that OD series and test series because you werent good enough and 1992 was 15 years ago, get with the times loser
tigerrish 4 years ago
You sure you saw that series? In the second test when Australia needed 360+ to win agaisnt our bowling attack and we had you down to 125/5 and Gilchrist and Langer were on the crease BOTH WERE CAUGHT BEHIND TWICE BUT NOT GIVEN, Gilchrist off of AKRAM when he was below 50 TWICE. Don't tell me you saw. YOU DIDNT SEE SHIT. Typical Australian. That one LBW my friend was ONE OF MANY. Last time I CHECKED LBW was out in cricket and it is a vital LAW which we never get in AUSTRALIA.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Would you like a tissue to cry into? How sad that you still hang on a series you lost 8 years ago
tigerrish 4 years ago
Naaa. Telling you that you are cheats and proving it is good enough. I never said that was the only time you people cheated. The Darryl Hair incident only happened last year.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
jesus dawg you've got a nasty chip on your shoulder - and a pak supporter accusing other countries of cheating umpires is a bit rich. remember shakoor rana? in 20+ years of test cricket, how many times was javed miandad out lbw in pakistan?
mikepumpkin 4 years ago
What?!! I am the one with the chip on my shoulder time after time you assholes accuse us and come up short. Before there was a Shakoor Rana there was a David Constant. When England beat Australia in the ashes, reverse swing was an art and when Pakistan smashed England it was ball tampering. I can debate that as well with you. Just because your media suffers from selective Amnesia doesn't mean we don't remember your true worth.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
you're bitching about the umpiring in a series 9 years ago where one of the umpires was neutral? Take a look at a youtube clip called "Funny Gatting Wicket" for an idea of what Pakistan tours were like before neutral umpires.
mikepumpkin 4 years ago
b4 I have a look at Shakoor Rana I think you should do a little research on a great English umpire called David Constant. Although I never condoned Rana's actions, unlike the aussies who condoned Hair's, it was very small compared to David Constant's. Then you will know why the Rana affair happened. Also Gatting's behavior was more offensive than anything the Pakistanis have ever done.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
as far as i remember, the controversy around Constant was limited to a few disputed decisions. Truth is, neutral umpires are one of the best things to be introduced into cricket for a long time. There was always a suspicion of bias around local umpires, sometimes real and sometimes imagined
mikepumpkin 4 years ago
"a few disputed decisions"??!! How many do need mike?
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
All umpires are human, they all make mistakes including Paki umpires too. And if my memory serves me right, didnt the Paki team refuse to come out after the break? They were given more than enough time, but they chose not to, thus breaking the laws of the game, they forfeited the match. If they wanted to protest, there were proper channels to go down, no team is above the laws no matter what the reason. What they did was wrong, 2 wrongs dont make a right.
tigerrish 4 years ago
damn right they refused to come out. The game is not bigger than our national integrity. As if, as a Pakistani I give a fuck about a test match. The Pakistanis would have been whipped endlessly for ball tampering if we did not take a stand and look what happened when we did. The bastard had no proof and then wanted to extort $500,000. What a lying thieving cheating Aussie super hero?! Each one of u supported him SHAMELESSLY.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Australians are cheats. There is absolutely no doubt about it. There was even an Aus fast bowler in the old days who put grease on his hands before handling the ball.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
What a load of shit. And who would this mystery bowler be? You have just shown yourself to be a stupid fool who can only make up stories about the older players
Your an idiot
tigerrish 4 years ago
And if this mystery bowler had grease on his hands, how did he manage to bowl the ball?
You sound like you are yet another brain-dead Sri Lankan who thinks they know everything. Your dickless country has been in world cricket less than 20 yrs you stupid fuck, you should learn to keep your trap shut about others until you get some world cricket history behind you. You win the world cup once and you all think your opinion about other countries matters.
tigerrish 4 years ago
How do you know i am a Sri Lankan? So anybody who calls Australians cheats are Asian? Type 'Aus bowler grease on hand' or something similar in google and you will find it.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
Now lets see how cicvilise you really are shall we??
India and Pak have been fighting over the same piece of land for decades, why?
Pak political system has collapsed, the country is in disarray under military rule.
SL is raked with terrorism with bomb blast almost daily. Yet you people tell us we cheat and are racist, even tho our country is one of the most multicultural in the world. How many diff cultures live in your country?
tigerrish 4 years ago
I wasnt attacking Australia the nation, i was attacking the Australian Cricket and its administration. There is a difference. I have been to Australia and it is a nice country.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
We are very patriotic, you attack anything to do with shit-assed fabricated lies about anyone from here you will get it back in spades you ass-wipe. You and your dickless friends keep on ranting about us cheating, yet you cant name any such time that we did. You are pathetic sore losers who will find any lame-brained excuse for losing. Do what th WI did after this series, they copped defeat and shut up and improved themselves to the level of domination for 20 yrs. Peanut.
tigerrish 4 years ago
If you are brainless enough to connect a cricket teams cheating with an entire nation then i feel sorry for you.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
Since your inception into world cricket your country has done nothing but complain about everyone and eveything. Its about time you lot sat back, shut up and started to improve your cricket, because since your world cup win, over 11 years ago too, you have done nothing and won nothing worth noting. You get hammered and the best you can come up with is everyone cheats.
Your are mentally defective you idiot
tigerrish 4 years ago
Actually the ones who do the most complaining are the ones who do the most cheating (Australia). I have been to Australia and have seen how the media creates so much bullshit about foreign players.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
I dont give a flying fuck where your from, either way your a whining sook who hates the idea that Aust are so dominant and have been for 15 years. And the best you can come up with is they cheat? Funny how there are no Eng/NZ/WI/SA on here raving about the same thing, dont you? But then again you asian countries know better than everyone else, being from such civilised, democratic countries, dont you?
tigerrish 4 years ago
This guy is such a loser. Yeah lets not pay attention to facts like Darrel Hair is an Aussie and that Australians are called cheats by every Test playing nation. NZ dont think you are cheats??? hahahaha... NOW THATS FUNNY.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
If you look at my profile you would realise i am British. There are kiwis and english people i know who reckon Australia cheat.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
If you are british, then why do you talk about Paki as in the terms "we", "us" and "our team"??
And you claimed the Aust players cheated, you never said anything about the Aust admin and not all the umpires in that series were from Aust you dickhead. After reading all your posts lately, I and everyone else can see your hypocrisy and baseless claims. And I dont see vast amounts of NZ or UK people claiming what a host of you asians do here.
tigerrish 4 years ago
Thats because they face the brunt of it like the Asian teams do. The Asians teams have to put up with Australian racism in its ranks, Darryl Hair being a fine example, so they let it be known. Austrlalia doesnt feel the heat from NZ or the UK. They feel the heat from the Pakistanis. Hell even your cheating ex PM Howard the faggot, spoke out against Murali for crying out loud.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
I always find it interesting to read some of the diatribe you asians come out with, each time you brand Aust as cheats or racist. But everytime someone asks you to name when this has happened and with facts you cant. You called Hair a racist, is that to be backed up with fact? or is that just your own perception? Its one thing to have your own opinion, but its another to back it up with fact. And all this stuff you keep rambling on about happened yrs ago. Fool
tigerrish 4 years ago
Ofcourse it is backed up by fact. He has always had trouble with Asian teams and the only teams that supported him were NZ/ENG/AUS. Even your beloved WI backed his removal. Is it because these NON WHITE guys thought he was a good umpire? His actions speak louder than your words. I suggest you wake up and admit the obvious because so far your doing as well as a one legged guy in an bum kicking competition. Hair AND the 99 series is the best example of your cheating umpires.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
You are a true blu dickhead. The only countries that constantly complain about umpires,the opposition,the crowds,the equipment,the rules......Are either Pak/Indian/SL, the same 3 teams that in the last 5 years have started to really fall behind the rest of the world in international cricket.
tigerrish 4 years ago
SL: Have not improved there place in test match cricket and can not match the top teams, there only claim to fame is the world cup win, 11 yrs ago and losing the WC 2003 final. Poor win loss record at test level away from home.
India: Failed to make the final 8 in last WC, losing to B/desh along the way. Only claim is 20/20 win. Has not made WC final for over 20 yrs and has an average test record away.
Paki: Poor record in tests in last 5 yrs, only claim is beaten by Aust in WC final '99.
tigerrish 4 years ago
See here is a fine example of Australian stupidity. Get your facts right. The 2003 Final was played by Aussie and INDIA and the 2007 final was Sri Lanka. For your information, Oh great Australian guru, IRELAND BEAT BANGLDESH IN THE WORLDCUP :D so they were a better team... asswipe :D Finally that is a shining example of OUR UMPIRES NOT CHEATING that teams dont go away thinking they were robbed by poor umpiring, UNLIKE WHEN THEY TOUR AUSTRALIA.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
And not one of those 3 countries are good enough to have one of there own ex-players as a coach. And Paki biggest shame was to be beaten in the 2003 WC by Ireland, a country who does not even compete in test match cricket and never will. For a top nation to lose against lowly test nations is one thing, but to lose to a nation who would hardly know what cricket was is laughable
tigerrish 4 years ago
That coach point is a joke. You hire the best man for the job. What does nationality have to do with ability If that is a reason why would the Australians hire an American Mike Young to coach fielding. God this is embaressing. You're too stupid.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Your doing a great job of making yourself look the fool. If your country was so great at the sport, you wouldnt need to look elsewhere for a coach now would you? And because Ireland beat B/desh, does that all of a sudden make it ok that you lost to them too? Your a dickhead
tigerrish 4 years ago
Yeah but it takes the sting out of your argument dickhead.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
You got beat by a country who dont even play cricket professionally, that is disgraceful. And because they beat a minow like Bangladesh is such a lame excuse for you to lose to them. Fact is, your country has fallen so far behind everyone else, youve become the easy beats. And there is no sting out of any arguement when it comes to the pathetic responses you give for losing. Its either everyone else cheated or thre umpires fault, all this without any base facts. Face it, your fucked at the game
tigerrish 4 years ago
Can you read English you dumb fuck. Read my arguments again asshole and stop going around in circles.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
I actually couldnt be bothered now, you keep talking about the same thing.....Everyones a cheat and a racist, players, spectators, umpires, administrators etc. And your country is pure as the driven snow! Fact is you and the rest of the asian countries have become really poor at test match and ODI and the figures dont lie. Think everyone who see this knows who the dumb cunt is and he's not Australian.
tigerrish 4 years ago
He sure is.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Liar. At no point did i refer to Pakistan as 'we'.
You wont see vast amounts of British complain because most British dont give a fuck about cricket. British are more into football.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
Then fuck off to the football vids, moron
tigerrish 4 years ago
How the fuck would you know who supported him and who didnt, you dont even live in this country you wanker.
tigerrish 4 years ago
There was a whole parade of convicts, on TV, speaking in his favor.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
And that would account for the whole country would it?
Your a fucking whinging sook who is full of piss and wind.
tigerrish 4 years ago
WHo said anything about the country. Unlike you, Im speaking of the Australian umpires and cricket team. Everybody who spoke in Hair's favor was from the Aussie Cricket Team or Cricket Administration
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Your dumb-assed team refused to come out and play, the umpires (and there were 2 of them, and one wasnt from Aust) were right to call you forfeit the match. You want to protest, do it with in the rules of the game. You are not above the laws of cricket, no matter what the reason. Dude, your a fucking whinging sook who keeps on raving about things from the past. Move on or you will stay at the bottom where you belong. Now fuck off
tigerrish 4 years ago
Hair was an umpire not a player, you lot always seem to want to assoc everything back to the players.
Stop your fucking whinging, your starting to sound like a 10 yr old who cant get his own way, grow up you fucking sad sack. And while your at it, fuck off and take your sooky lala sob story elsewhere, cos the last time I looked this was a vid not including you Pakistani fuck wits. Piss off you melon headed moron.
tigerrish 4 years ago
My my!!! The truth seems to be hurting you tigerrish. I changed my mind. Fuck you and your country. I just realised that that cunt Howard is your PM and even that loser cock got involved by guiding the umpires by calling Murali a cheat. If the PM can be a cheat then why should the country be different. Cheating is in your genetics you convict.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Howard is no longer PM, cockhead. Your not even worth the effort anymore, your only arguement is this lame cheating excuse, but like most of the whining sooks like you, its your opinion based without facts. And the whole convict thing is also pretty lame, if thats the best sledge you can come up with then your a sad and sorry case. And the last time I looked, your own country wasnt exactly in great shape, much like your poor-assed cricket team, so dont go round bagging my country
tigerrish 4 years ago
Man, you camel humping, pole dancing sausage Jockey. I don't give a flying fuck about your prison. Your umpires are shit, they are cheats, controversial and ugly :D Like the rest of your country.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Plenty of doubt. Akhtar is the fastest ever.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Yeah, but Shoaib is also a liability to his team and can be a bit of a show pony. Thommo must have been utterly terrifying to face at his peak. Shoaib should have done more with his undoubted talent.
adam872 4 years ago
Yes you are right. No doubt in what you said espeially since batsmen had to face him without helmets.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Imagine just how fast Thomo would be in todays cricket with the fitness and training regimes they have now.
He said once, "if the batsmen aren't sure where its going, niether do I"
tigerrish 4 years ago
nice presentation
northmunda69 4 years ago
I saw most of this series, and Thomson was unbelievably quick. He was clocked twice, at Perth and Melbourne, both times at just over 160 kph. He probably bowled faster at some point. And look at the batting line up he destroyed: Fredericks, Greenwich, Lloyd, Richards, Kallicharran, Rowe ... one of best batting sides of all time
mikepumpkin 4 years ago
This is the most awesome coverage of the most devastating pair of pacemen ever. Its not hard to judge looking at that footage and seeing where the keeper and slips are standing that these guys were way more dangerous than Akhtar or Lee or any of the pacemen of the later generations. Thomson would be frightening even with all modern protective clothing. Without that, its like waiting to commit suicide facing him.
aslon05 4 years ago
That isn't Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram dumb ass. The only reason they look devestating is there is no protective gear on the batsmen giving the illusion of how dangerous the bowlers are.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
You are a dick arent you? The No1 test countries have based there teams around a great bowling attack. Tha Aust dominated here because of Thomson/Lillee and the 2 back up bowlers. The WI did the same with Holding/Roberts with 4 back ups and the last 10-15 yrs Aust have with McGrath/Warne with 4 back ups. Paki only had Waqar/Wasim with no fall back, hardly a comparision really. And all players knew that once they saw off those 2 it was open slather, thats why Pak were never No1.
tigerrish 4 years ago
STFU you idiot. When Pakistan toured Australia in 1999 when Australia won due to the hard work of its Umpires, the Pakistani bowling was so strong that Waqar Younis sat out the first test. The reason the Aussies get no respect is because everybody knows the secret of your success has always been your umpires. Idiot.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
We all know who the idiot is here. The more you carry on the more you look foolish. If you did your homework you would know that there are actually very few Aust who are international umpires. If the Paki bowling was so strong, why didnt they win the series? Pak had Waqar and Wasim and then the rest fell away badly. In '99 Lee played second fiddle to McGrath, today he has taken over the role of No1 bowler. Who was the next in line for Pak in '99, are they showing the way today?
tigerrish 4 years ago
BECAUSE OF YOUR UMPIRES YOU FUCKING AUSSIE KANGAROO FUCKER; BECAUSE OF YOUR AUSTRALIAN UMPIRES, YOUR AUSTRALIAN UMPIRES and one more time because you can't understand your language YOUR UMPIRES. Watch the series you convict. we lost because of YOUR UMPIRES. Does it make sense now? idiot. Waqar Younis sat out because ou lineup was so strong. He is better than any Aussie bowler EVER.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Have a look at you!! EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES.
And who was the No3 bowler?
You are a dickhead of the highest order, you ramble about excuses but no reasoning. Son, your team is a poor excuse for a cricket nation, just look out how you bowed out of the world cup........Ireland, I didnt even know they played cricket!
tigerrish 4 years ago
yea yea... No one ever thought Australians are cheats. Darrel Hair never asked for $500,000 from the ICC. What more proof do you want? If that is not a smoking gun wat is. Look, the truth will set you free. Just admit that Australian umpires are extortionist cheats and enjoy ur cricket.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Would you like to enlighten me on what bad decisions the "Aust" umpires made against Pak in the series?
And Darrell Hair never played cricket for Aust, how does comparing him to the cricket team make them cheats?
By that rationale, Paki are cheats too because of what Salim Malik did, right?
tigerrish 4 years ago
Our bowling attack in that series was and pay attention now clever boy:- Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar, Abdur Razzaq, Azhar Mehmood, Saqlain Mushtaq and Mushtaq Ahmad. That's a stronger bowling line up than Australia has ever had. Unless ofcourse you play them in Australia, when the Aussies have the best team players on the pitch, dressed in white. Cheats.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
2 good bowlers, 4 so-so's.
Dude, you ramble on about how good Paki is and you complain that they are hard done by when the toured here, that was 8 years ago. So why is it that your still not No1 test nation and still not No1 ODI nation? You lost to a country at the last world cup who think that cricket is an insect that lives in the ground. Wake up, your no good.
tigerrish 4 years ago
At this moment, yes we are weaker but then, unlike you, I have the class to admit our short comings. Each and everyone of the players I have mentioned would make it into the Australian team. I don't know which world you're living in sun shine?!
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Than we've ever had? Doubt it mate. Seems to me that McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne were good enough to beat any team any where at their peak. That includes *away* from home too.
adam872 4 years ago
espeically when the Umpires were Australian ;-) but that also proves that the other umpires were not cheating :D
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Or that the Aussie umpires got it right most of the time ;-)
Fact is, these decisions even out over time and the good teams win regardless of the standard of the umpiring...
adam872 4 years ago
not in Australia they don't.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Rubbish. You seem to have this fixation about Australian umpiring. How then do you explain Australia's continued success at test level when two neutral umpires are in operation? Some dastardly plot by the ACB? If so, I think you give us a little too much credit.
adam872 4 years ago
He is correct. Touring sides always suffer horrendous umpiring in OZ. This has been happening year after year. Bad umpiring occurs all over the world but in Australia it really takes the cake.
sonofthedestroyer 3 years ago
No better or worse than anywhere mate. Try India and Pakistan on for size. It's a moot point anyway, with two neutral umpires these days there can surely be no accusation of bias. Incompetence yes, but that is test umpiring the world over these days.
adam872 3 years ago
Well I`m and aussie and I've got to be honest,so yes I agree with you mate. Even though it soughta makes me annoyed
nikeebe 3 years ago
This is laughable when you consider that one test in Pakistan there were 8 LBW decisions 1 against Pakistan,7 against New Zealand bringing Martin Crowe to call for neutral umpires
lapalad 3 years ago
u cant just blame umpires and call us convicts all the time.............
U AND TIGERRISH R THE 2 MOST RACIST PPL ON YOUTUBE... had to say it, they're on every vcricket vid
MiTcH2da4 4 years ago
mitch, I give what I get. If you want to sit back and accept the bad attitudes then do so. For the record dude, I work in tourism and meet people form all over the world, if I was racist I wouldnt last long in what I do.
You should delve a lil deeper in to "every cricket vid"
tigerrish 4 years ago
Dont want to get into the middle of this wonderful discussion between you gentlemen, but, for whatever it is worth one can be a Priest and be racist. By the way I love the discussion. I live in the US, so I can be considered neutral, I hope, at least.
thecrucifer 3 years ago
WTF!! how am I racist you asshole. How is my ripping on the cricket umpiring make me a racist? I don't have anything against Australian people UNLIKE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE who are known to attack South Asians and Lebanese people. I am pissed that Pakistan is robbed of wins in Australia regularly by poor umpiring decisions and I have every right to be.
SnoopDicketyDawg 4 years ago
Would you like to tell us all about the decisions that cost you a game? Or would that be yet another "your all cheats" claim? You know if you go to other vids on here, they all end with the same countries claiming everyone is a cheat because they arent good enough. You should take the shovel to your own back yard, it looks pretty bad.
tigerrish 4 years ago
If its not the umpires its the supposed cheating (which no one can name when) or the sledging or the drugs or the fixing of the pitches or the racism ............ Man, we've heard them all, the really funny thing is your in the long line of people who make outrageous claims with nothing more than hot air to back it up. So, if you like, keep them coming because they do make you look quite silly. Especially on a vid that doesnt have Paki's!
tigerrish 4 years ago
I always wanted to see something from this series.
bayofpigsman 4 years ago
Off The back foot at 2:07 === Best batsman ever
Nikamma 4 years ago
I agree 100%
tigerrish 4 years ago
That was indeed a commanding shot. Taking nothing away from Sachin or Lara, but they just cant play it like this man. Notice, I did not even mention Ponting, who really is not the class of these gentlemen, an umpire's favourite for some unknown reason.
thecrucifer 3 years ago