Islam vs Arya Samaj debate part 13

[smit240]

watch zakir nair ........then watch taht

[TheIndianNazi]

Muslims are just idiots and this fool is proving it!

[aryayashwantmehta]

interesting.

so exceptions are being invented to prove the authenticity of the quranic beliefs.

Is Jesus a clone?

prove it?

[aryayashwantmehta]

ye self-polarisation kya hai!!!

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta This is the power of God. If your God is weak that is your problem. In lower animals like bees a male bee is born by the egg not fertilized by the male. It is called parthenogenesis.

Just coz you cannot understand how Jesus was born without a father does not mean it did not happen. If you had talked about a computer and satellite to man 2000 years ago he would have said it is impossible. So Mahendra Pal is using a logical fallacy

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

I hope ur sister and wife produce kids by the same method. good luck.

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta I hope you receive guidance and humility.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

I hope that EESHWAR imparts intellect to you so that you can realise the truth and leave falsehood.

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta I saw a video about God/Ishwar you posted on your channel. In that the Swami said Ishwar is Omnipotent. Now if he is omnipotent he is certainly capable of creating Jesus (peace be upon him) without a father. Regarding MP arya's shameless lies about the Quran I have posted two responses to him on my channel and you are welcomed to c and benefit.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

VAIDIK Eeshwar is omnipotent. the world as we see it has signs for those who are spiritually advanced. Eeshwar will not break laws and cause children to be born without male intervention just to instil faith in a few human beings. believers and others exist at all times and places in the world. did Eeshwar ever restrain a man from committing murder? yes , allah of quran breaks laws. hence mohammed kept zainab without a nikaah.

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta God is not subject to His laws. Laws are created and that which is created can be altered. Science speaks nothing about soul, about life after death, etc. In fact until few centuries back people had no concept of gravity. But that did not mean it was not present. People just did not know about it. The very verse of the Quran he is objecting to says that Jesus was to be sign for people, coz his birth depicts the power of God.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

u r right . allah is not subject to laws. allah decides according to his insha. thus a muslim resigns to fate. but the vaidik eeshwar follows laws. e.g. 5 am cannot be converted to 5 pm without any proper justification. science and quran do not define atma or rooh. e.g. what is the size of the atma or rooh acc. to quran?

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

jesus was born of the union of a male seed and a female seed. the only time eeshwar allowed procreation without male intervention was in the beginning of the human race when acc. to the rigveda many people were created by AUM. thereafter children are born through intercourse. the power of aum is seen in the universe. we don't need miracles..........

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta It is strange that on one hand you do acknowledge that in the beginning human race was created without male and female contact and then on the other hand you feel it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to created Jesus without a father. Miracle is simply and impossibility for a human of his time. I agree with you that the message is most important and miracles are not required. But you must realize that it was the ignorant who demanded miracles from the Prophets.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

the rule for the beginning is

1. creation without intercourse.

2. imparting knowledge of vedas to 4 rishis in SAMADHI. the rule thereafter is

1. creation with intercourse.

2. imparting of knowledge to persons in samadhi (the knowledge received will be exactly the same as that contained in the vedas)

3. that which is not in conformity to the vedas is man-made and hence need not be followed.

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta So you agree in the principle that God changed the rule. Thank u I only wanted to get it from the horses mouth. talk to u later.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

yes, probably the male seed of Jesus did not come from his father.

but, that does not take away his claim to glory.

after all, we should respect the man's effort and not his birth.......

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta Regarding zainab and Prophet Muhammad, you have no knowledge. She was married to him after her husband zaid ibn hariss divorced her.Plz get ur facts right.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

Ok, give me the name of the qazi who read the nikaah, the names of the gawah and the amount of haq-mehr decided!

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta I would not even venture to answer that question coz it is so obvious that the Prophet married zainab. Lets say I do not know the names of the people who demand, does it prove the nikah did not happen? How strange demands you make? It is an accepted fact that the Prophet married Zainab after her husband divorced her. Please do not try to throw mud on the life of Prophet Muhammad. Do not forget the accountability of God.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

FACTS:

mohammed and zainab are supposed to be married of by allah himself. that's why muslims do not tell the name of the qazi.

i do not believe a god who acts as a marriage - broker for a mere human.

u r free to do what u like.

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta Grave misunderstandings u have. What it means is that Allah directed him to go for this marriage, not that it did not have any witnesses etc.

Your conception of God is that he has no concern with the people on earth. How about if I reverse the question on you God cures people,so is he a doctor? Have some humility first.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.93.516 

Narrated byAnas

Zainab used to boast before the wives of the Prophet and used to say, "You were given in marriage by your families, while I was married (to the Prophet) by Allah from over seven Heavens."

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

quran (33.37)

'But (O Muhammad) you did hide in your heart that which Allah was about to make manifest, you did fear the people,' was revealed in connection with Zainab and Zaid bin Haritha."

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

so the hadith says that zainab knows that allah decided the divorce and subsequent marriage. and further the quran (final message) contains a reference to this earth shattering event.

1.why did allah jump into the brokerage of divorce of zainab and marriage of mohammed and zainab?

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta The reason why this marriage had to take place was that people in arabia believed that adopted son is like one's own son while it is not so. This Prophet's marriage was for legislative reasons and to abolish certain corrupt traditions.

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta Before Islam, the Arabs did not allow divorcees to remarry. Zayd was adopted by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and called his son as was the custom among the Arabs before Islam. But Islam abrogated this custom and disapproved of its practice. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the first man to express this disapproval in a practical way.

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta So he married the divorcee of his "adopted" son to show that adoption does not really make the adopted child a real son of the adopting father and also to show that marriage is lawful for divorcees.

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

so allah had to jump in to legalize widow re marriage.

so why do u take offence when rishi dayanand (and the arya samaj) call allah a marriage broker or nai in satyarthaprakash chapter 14.?

and u expect others to believe in such a god!!

[TheIntellectual09]

@aryayashwantmehta I will answer u later. time for me to go. by the way I have initiated a full fledged rebuttals to swami dayanand saraswati' satyarth prakash. check on my website

see u tomorrow

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

chek about the fallacies in the quran in agniveer.com

[aryayashwantmehta]

@TheIntellectual09

why did allah jump to get 55 yr old mohammed married to the 6 yr old ayesha?

[omeshjalla]

tariq sahab kya bol rahe ho..

[thepedomo]

this chuitya muslim mullah dosent even know the words that are coming out of his mouth