"my revolver is out of time?" what does it mean? demonstration

[BlltPrffAsssn]

the tumbler might be rounder out a little or damaged, the hammer shouldnt have that much play in full cock, usually when the hammer is fully cocked theres only 1/8 inch or less of play, if the tumbler is damaged it could cause your hammer to not cock fully and not to rotate the cylinder, or it could simply be a worn out spring on the rotating arm behind your cylinder

[waitew]

The hand & spring that is attached to the hammer & which rides through a slot cut in the frame is the part that 'revolves' the cylinder. It seems to be too short.

[glynamus]

wasnt a crappy video,, well done in showing the examples. thankyou very much.

[OleIrishReb]

I picked up a replica Colt at DGW awhile back but never shot it other than blank loads from time to time. I noticed that on 3 chambers it will jump forward once the trigger is pulled making the hammer hit half the nipple. Would this also be considered a timing issue? If not what would the term be trying to describe the problem? Thanks for your video, didnt expect to see anything on this issue with black powder revolvers.

[jeffshootsstuff]

@OleIrishReb I'm not an expert... but it sounds to me like a bolt spring issue. The bolt is the rectangular piece that fits into the cylinder notches and prevents it from moving.

[Polybun]

You do realize, fixing an cylender that under rotates is very easy right? I mean really, it takes less than 5 minutes to have every part in the trigger group out. Stop bitching and moaning and fix the goddamn things.

[jeffshootsstuff]

@Polybun Thanks for the helpful comment.

[Polybun]

@jeffshootsstuff Go ahead, think me an asshole.  But i've gotten 6 "broken" guns from people, all for less than $50 each, and repaired every one of them without replacing a single part. There are 7 moving parts in the entire mechanism, none of which fit together with any amount of precision. Any ape should be able to handle the job.

[jeffshootsstuff]

@Polybun Good for you. Why don't you make a video detailing how it's done? Or are you too busy being a curmudgeon?

[80spodcastchannel]

@jeffshootsstuff ok...I'm out...this is turning into a trolling the guy who asked an honest question...Poly...please post a video, but also stop being confrontational ...if you got the smarts and ability PLEASE educate us..but dont be like that ok?

not everyone on youtube is handy with a file and knows metals like we do..

seeya

Dude

[jeffshootsstuff]

@80spodcastchannel peace

[Polybun]

@80spodcastchannel You don't need a video. I was able to work it out on my own, so should anyone else. It's a very simple system, and a few minutes study is all that is required to understand how it works. Honestly, if someone isn't smart enough to work it out on their own, then they deserve to have to pay someone else to do it for them. Knowledge is power, It's also money.

[Polybun]

@jeffshootsstuff Eh, I can't really afford an accetable camera. The cheapest one I can find that I'll accept is $8000. That said, the Red Box cameras are slick.

[1pjlewis2]

I know what is doing this. I had a 1858 new army. I put it togother after a cleaning & it

did the same thing. I took it apart & found the problem. This is the same problen. Carfuly check the manual and you will find the problem. Do not shoot this gun like that.

It is very dangerous like that.  Paul J.

[jeffshootsstuff]

@1pjlewis2 Don't worry, Paul... I'd never consider firing these in this condition. And manuals are looooong gone. :) I'll get to it one of these years.

[MONSQUEEKY]

Wow, that gun sucks! We're living in the 21st Century dude...

[jeffshootsstuff]

@MONSQUEEKY Some of us...

[SlolsofLegend]

where did you get a paterson? i am desperately looking for one!

[jeffshootsstuff]

@SlolsofLegend I inherited it from my dad... it's an older Italian replica from the 60s or 70s.

[blokhed99]

@SlolsofLegend Uberti makes a replica of the Paterson that can be obtained from a number of sources, Dixie Gun Works being one.

[kumagamesclan]

how long would it take to reload the origion colt paterson? because you have to partially disassemble it.

[jeffshootsstuff]

@kumagamesclan one extra step I guess... but removing the barrel actually allows you to charge all of the chambers at once if you have a suitable powder charger, so that may make up some time. As I understand it, Mr. Colt simply replaced cylinders during his demonstrations of firepower. Reloading under fire isn't practical with any cap/ball revolver. They did make some Patersons with a loading lever attached, like the later Colts.

[TheFoundersWereRight]

@jeffshootsstuff That is pretty Messed up. A gunsmith working on that gun would pretty much have to rebuild it. As for reloading, the revolvers are not meant to be dissasembled during combat. That is why Colt added the loading levers. Because of how they were made, the points where the barrel locks up to the frame, it was too easy to get dirt, mud, or other debris in it which would leave you trying to figure out why it wasn't working. All the while with exploding fire all around you.

[80spodcastchannel]

the hand and bolt arent lined up correctely probably the parts were too soft and wore prematurely..any gunsmith can fix that.. BUT get theee to brownells DOT C om and get the needed replacements with modern steels and it'll work way better

[jeffshootsstuff]

@80spodcastchannel Do you have any experience repairing this kind of thing? I've asked around the web and no gunsmith I've asked said they could fix them. I'd like to do it myself but I can't even confirm who built them. I believe they're Italian, 60s or 70s vintage (all marked GM on the cylinders; the only marks other than the replica colt marks on the barrels). I'd like to make sure the replacement parts will work.

[80spodcastchannel]

@jeffshootsstuff dude their blowing smoke..the basic weapon is an exact copy of the colts and other period correct pistols..why would an italian company copy a colt and then change all the guts to suit them? nah the smitty's are blowing you off. go to E gunparts. Co m, and look up the models, bet you find replacements.

then get yourself a gunsmithing book on HOW these models work and learn how to fix them yourself, they are really very VERY simple inside, trust me.

seeya

Dude

[jeffshootsstuff]

@80spodcastchannel I must smell bad or something. :D Thanks... I'll check it out and try to work up the courage.

[Polybun]

@80spodcastchannel hell chances are t hey don't even need new parts, save for one looks like it has a broken trigger/cylender lock spring. No point in buying that part as you can make your own in less than 10 minutes out of scrap.

[80spodcastchannel]

@Polybun Dude...sure if your stuck in the zombie incursion and no other parts are available...but I'd just buy and fit the correct parts and be done with it...."modern steels" remember?

Seeya bro, good advice...but if I dont NEED to make a part...I wont

Dude

[Polybun]

@80spodcastchannel Why spend money on something you can make yourself for free? Just because a steel is "modern" doesn't make it the best material. It's not as if all the materials from that era were bad. Granted they didn't have silicon alloy spring steels yet, but carbon steel springs are by no means bad.