If you sit home waiting your turn you deserve to have your gun taken from your cold dead hands.
The Founders didn’t wait for the Brits to knock down their doors. They gathered at the green and stood up like men and they killed government employees all the way back to Boston.
What will you do when it’s time to hunt NWO hacks, republicrats and commies(“Liberals” and ‘progressives’)?
Don't understand? Follow my links. Read the quotes page first. Then read my column ‘Prepping for Slavery’
I see this as negotiating with terrorists. We MUST give a forum for the Occu-poopers, or they'll disrupt our events. The 'right to free speech' is now 'the right to be heard?'
Is this going to apply at every venue? I get 2 minutes mike-time at Yankee Stadium before The National Anthem? Maybe play a little bass with Mick Jagger at a Stones concert? Maybe Mark Levin can get up on stage at a Occu-bama fundraiser?
No, only Liberals who are appeased in their extortion. Constantly.
@waypasthadenough The Occu-pooper wasn't a Lib? Please! I'm sure he voted for GW Bush.
By taking the mic he admitted that he went there with the intention of shouting down speakers at the forum. The 'End the Fed' types never explain what will replace the Fed after the Jews are dispatched with.
None of these Paul-istinians are going to vote for Gingrich or the others if they get the eventual nomination. Most will vote for O'bama. This guy is on the dole.
@fascistcat How about replacing the Fed's power (to regulate the value of the dollar) with the method described in the US Constitution? Article 1 Section 8: "Powers of Congress: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin." The Congress, not some multi-nationally owned bank (which the Fed is). Unless of course you are a pro-globalist statist who doesn't care much for the Constitution. In which case I can understand your disagreement with Ron Paul.
hm..i saw this debate too and im a bit surprised by the comments under this. He had the opportunity to speak. At a conservative show. Think about the last time you saw that. Oh yeah never.
HA! The moderator thought a bunch of robotic commie hippies would come up there but it was a very wise, thoughtful, and courteous gentlemen and a RON PAUL SUPPORTER!
This is a massive fail for Frank Luntz because, he assumed the guy who was at the mic was interrupting as a protester on the left. YEAH! WE WIN AGAIN BECAUSE CONSERVATARDS ARE TOO STUPID.
That's what I don't get about Ron Paul, he rails against the Fed, but doesn't explain what the Fed really is. 99% have no clue. He needs to say it like it is, a cartel of private banks governs the US.
Staged IMO. What kind of normal person is as polished a speaker as this guy was? Seems more like another Luntz trick in which he's trying to tie Ron Paul to OWS in a room full of Republicans during a Republican debate.
This bank needs to go into the toilet. It needs to go bye bye. It is the resason we are in such a hole. They are responsible for the situation we are in. We owe them so much money we are literally only paying the interest. The money we borrow to pay there debit is paying for China's Military and country to get rich. Time to say no more.
I've always liked Frank Luntz. While he has a popular voice in conservative media and Republican circles he's definitely not a Neocon =] Ron Paul 2012!! Get the word out!
I beg to differ....whats makes you the expert on what the OWS protests "is"...Its not about leftists(they have co-opted the movement)...If fact Ron Paul was recently interrupted by OWS protesters in which Dr. Paul then addressed their grievances and told them that he IS part of their movement.
Ron Paul proves he's a religious kook just like the others. I used to have respect for him, but I'd rather have a mass genocide of people like this than to ever lose this country to one of these elected fruit cakes.
He has stated that he does not wear his religion on his shoulders...so you never have to worry about his values being forced on you....I mean come on, he's a libertarian...I mean, I wouldn't not vote for you just because you believed in a spaghetti monster in the sky....but if you forced your beliefs on me, then thats where you cross the line, and Ron Paul will never try to do that to you and I. He's the best chance we got.
Progressivism / Liberalism / Keynesian Statism advocates change or reform through GOV'T action.
Give ANY politician or bureaucrat power to "redistribute & regulate" OTHER people’s money & choices and they will ALWAYS benefit THEIR “special interest” campaign backers; Financial-Industrial Complex, Military-Industrial Complex, Marxist Unions, Giant "Green" Corps, Big Oil, Pharma, Insurance etc.
Statism = Corrupt Political Cronyism.
Fed’s FIAT (counterfeit) debt-currency FUELS THE FIRE!
@Lombokstrait1 "The Rich" is too ambiguous and subjective to use in any meaninful way. When you use the term "the rich" you could be saying "the successful" or "the hard working".
A better way to state your point is: The "special interests" control our nation's capital because WE have allowed the "progressives" socialists to place us into "special groups" and pit us against each other while THEY GROW GOV'T to empower the politicians and buerocrats to "redistribute" our money to them.
@yakyakyak69 Well what do you call it when they redistribute it to Wall Street (the rich) and to the Mil Ind Complex (the rich) and the car industry?
I call it facism.
To clarify.. the Rich and powerfu (connected). Those that control the media, the mil ind complex (and surveiliance complex) and the multi nationals are the ones to blame. Progressives? That is ambiguous.
Fascism is the melding of corporations and govt and that is what we have here right now.
@Lombokstrait1 Wall Street "public-private partnerships" is (Fascism) aka Corporate Socialism. The Auto Company bailouts were for the Union "special interests".
Forced Redistribution (individual or corporate), the EVIL child of Hubris & Envy is Pandora's Box, when opened it makes SLAVES of the taxed, DEPENDANTS of the recipients, TYRANTS of the powerful and CRONIES of the politicians all in the name of "helping" some by enslaving ALL.
Progressive "change via gov't" keynesianism = corrupt!
@yakyakyak69 the unions? LOL. Right. who owns GM? We the tax payer bailout them out and they took the money and moved the plants to China and India... and management said "oh, we're fine. We are going to grow."
The Unions are small time.
Keyensianism... no. It is still fascism. And now it will mutate to authoritarianism. They have the intelligence complex installed stateside and they are tightening their grip as they continue to militarize the police.
@Lombokstrait1 I hope it moves to authoritarianism so we can exterminate filth like you. We have tolerated you religious child molesters long enough and allowed you to use our great nations flag for toilet paper long enough, well those days ARE OVER, YOU GOT THAT? I wouldn't mind seeing you all exterminated like cockroaches in a massive genocide approved of by REAL Americans who are also fed up with you lying turds. You will have a fair trial, and then be compassionately euthenized.
@Lombokstrait1 Most child molesters come from right wing religious families, FBI stats 2009. It's a fact that the angry, angry right wing and their cult of insanity can't get around, no matter how hard they try. It's also a proven fact that the religious right wing, christo fascist, Islamo TERRORIST sympathizers do not support our troops, and use our flag for toilet paper whenever they get a chance. Too bad you'll never know the thrill of serving your country, traitor. LOL! Now go get a job.
@Lombokstrait1 Now go drink some more of the kool-aid, TRAITOR and TRY to be a patriot for ONCE in your life. And stop being so, well, a n g r y. Try loving America, and being grateful every once in a while.
@Lombokstrait1 Keynesianism is Central Planning which is Socialism. BOTH Collective-Communism and Corporate-Fascism are Socialism.
When the taxpayer's funds are redistributed to those who won't work or want to get paid more than PURE competition and the FREE market dictates... that's Socialism.
When the taxpayer's funds are redistributed to corporations... that's Fascism.
When the taxpayer's funds are redistributed to corporations to "create union jobs", that's Collective-Fascism!
@yakyakyak69 And what do you call it when taxpayers funds are redistributed to corp.s and they take the jobs overseas?
Further your FREE market ideology is a myth. There never was a free market and never will be because influence is ALWAYS bought and WILL always be bought. The winners in a capitalist society seek to consolidate and preserve power by buying influence. Just look at the US now as all the proof you need.
Your free market is like a fairy tale. Almost as idealistic as communism
“A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.” Thomas Jefferson
Redistribution = Political Cronyism.
You confuse Capitalism (gov't ONLY stops monopolies from forming) with CRONY-Capitalism aka Corporate-Socialism (gov't cronies CREATE monopolies by choosing winners & losers).
@yakyakyak69 Simply no. Capitalism ultimately corrupts just like anything else. Everything decays.
Our system has decayed and needs cleaning out.
When did an actual free market ever exist?
It never has. Capitalism always ends up buying power. It's human nature. Everyone seeks unfair advantages in a market place. It's like war, you don't want a fair fight.
@Lombokstrait1 Well, said, in fact, I would contend that entropy plays a major role in just about every system created by man or nature. Capitalism, is failing and for those who are deluded enough to believe that somehow "God" picked us out as a unique exception to the rule of decline are lying to themselves or they are politicians lying to the other buffoons on this channel. Shhhhhh, the buffoons don't know it, so please don't tell them.
@imaginativelads Capitalism is NOT "failing". Keynesianism (central planning) if failing due to the inherent "Unintended Consequences" that comes from "rule from on high".
Gentlemen, this was all planned out many years ago by the Global Central Banking Cartels. Gov't must be collapsed to make room for a Global Gov't aka New World Order of, by and for the Banking elite and the corporations they own via debt.
Watch: "Money as Debt full version" here on YouTube.
@yakyakyak69 Actually you're wrong, and unfortunately human beings are too inherently selfish to agree on and too lazy to plan some kooky, spooky freemason conspiracy. The trouble with your theory lies in the fact that most economist laugh at it's implausibility, they mock and ridicule people like you who are controlled by conspiracies that gained media acceptance through the John Birch Society who developed a lot of the intricate details to control the weaker and less educated electorate.
@imaginativelads So, you're saying that concentrating power in the "political class" is a good thing and it's O.K. that only the rich and politically connected can gain power in a socialist democracy. That it's also good for policy to be made by a very small .0001% in Washington DC, policy that can take your money, time, property and even life.
Pure democracy is corrput when the gov't controls the media, the education system and the electorial system via regulation & redistribution cronyism.
@yakyakyak69 No, those are not the ones who have power, what I am saying is that the corporate welfare state does not pay it's fair share and that 50% of Americans pay little or no taxes at all and that if we all paid some taxes the social safety net would be solvent and the same kind of socialism that ACTUALLY works in places like Denmark and Sweden would work. They have virtually no debt, and have not screwed up socialism like greece and England. Both capitalism and socialism are mis-managed.
@imaginativelads Yes Socialism & Capitalism have been mismanaged!
WHY and HOW are they mismanaged?
Give ANY politician or bureaucrat power to "redistribute & regulate" OTHER people’s money & choices and they will ALWAYS benefit THEIR “special interest” campaign backers; Financial-Industrial Complex, Military-Industrial Complex, Marxist Unions, Giant "Green" Corps, Big Oil, Pharma, Insurance etc.
It's OUR fault for thinking that politicians can fix things by giving what they don't own!
“WELFARE” IS HEARTLESS! Forced Redistribution (Social or Corporate) makes SLAVES of the taxed, DEPENDANTS of the recipients & crony TYRANTS of the politicians while killing FREEDOM & competition by taking the rewards of success and rewarding failure thus destroying ALL personal responsibility and ANY sense of self-worth.
Monopolistic “Progressive” Central Planning does NOT provide "justice" of ANY kind!
@yakyakyak69 sorry , but your argument has failed again, denmark and sweden are tremendous successes and generalizations do not support your failed ideokogy. Ayn Rand was a sociopath, and unregulated markets have already been tried before the 20th century, ALL FAILURES. Socialism does work, but it must be managed properly. If you are advocating non government interference then all you have to look at is the guilded age, and we can see where you can't get any real traction in your argument.
@yakyakyak69 Then my fellow Americans will earn there deaths, should they choose your proven insanity. You can not win this, because right equals might ,and I do not subscribe to moral relativity, unlike yourself, and subjectivism is a failed theory by a little old lady who died all alone, broken and unloved. We will destroy you, and rebuild a world in which the model does not include your insane ideas about freedom without responsibility.
@imaginativelads Responsibility starts with YOU! Pull you OWN weight. Keep you agreements. Don't force others to pay for YOUR failures by placing the yoke of Statism around their necks.
@yakyakyak69 "Don't force others to pay for YOUR failures" Personally I am a very successful individual with loads of cash from a chain of restaurants in the south, I pay my employees (all) a bonus of about $2,000 a piece every Christmas, last year alone I bought 5 brand new cars for the best performing employees and 2 for those who I thought and believed had potential, but couldn't afford cars of their own. Now, I am a rare entrepreneur and that is my success story, what's yours?
@imaginativelads I'm not rich. Unlike you, I AM the 99%, but I KNOW that it is WRONG to steal even when you elect OTHERS to steal for you.
It sounds like you're the typical, rich liberal hypocrite. You should keep $25,000/year for yourself and give everything else to pay off the national debt or give it to charity. Only then would you NOT be a hypocrite!
@yakyakyak69 You are NOT the 99% because that would require that you seek economic justice.I am not rich either because I give most of my money to charities and my employees.I am a better person than you not because I do any of that,but because I know the difference between right and wrong,and you do not.Yes, Virginia, some people are better than others, and I decided who is and isn't based on logic and worthiness.No,you are NOT in the 99% because your news still comes from conservative shills.
@imaginativelads I seek economic justice. True Justice can NOT come from theft via gov't FORCED redistribution.
You are NOT a "better person" than the average thief in prison because you want crony politicians to steal for you. You don't even have the courage to steal for yourself. You are NO "Robin Hood".
You don't know Right from Wrong.... theft is ALWAYS WRONG! Forced Enslavement is ALWAYS WRONG!
@yakyakyak69 You have been beaten by logic and reason with no where to go. Socialism is the only hope for a free society to flourish, if you want a return to Ayn Rand then I will fight you to the bitter end and destroy the whole thing rather than return to what the 19th century was. My goal will be your destruction, and that's too bad because I have already offered examples which you choose to ignore at your own peril.You see, being passionate with right and reason on my side can not serve you.
Which kind of Socialism are you referring to; National-Socialism (NAZI) aka Fascsm, or Collective-Socialism aka Communism?
How is Socialism "stateless or classless" when Socialism requires a HUGE and POWERFUL centralized gov't which is PERVASIVE enough to FORCE their Bureaucratic version of "justice" and "fairness" defined by committee on each and every citizen of the nation equally?
The Nazi's were not Socialists, they were corporate fascists through and through. Simply because one uses a title to endear the working class does not mean the ideology necessarily follows suit. Well since Socialism is both a form of government, and a form of economy it does not need to mean anything about the government in the least.... By all means Socialism can operate in an even less regulated setting then most Capitalist society's, common ownership is quite free in nature.
@NeutralExistence Today's children don't understand the horrors of Socialism. They weren't taught history and were fed misinformaton by the gov't collectivist union teachers.
Perhaps you need to do a little more research on you own before you stick you dirty little commie shoe in your mouth again. A shoe that was only produced because SOMEBODY wanted to better thier lives by investing their CAPITAL in a shoe company, produce thousands of jobs and better the lives of all who wanted to work.
Today's children? What are you, old father "Red killer", the anti-Communist hero of the patriot "American" South?
Perhaps you should research the meaning of a Socialist/Communist economy/government, and understand that we have never seen a pure Marxist Socialist/Communist society ever used on a national scale. The U.S.S.R. was a disgusting betrayal of all the idea's that the Communist Manifesto holds so dear, and so was the many copiers of this terrible regime.
@Lombokstrait1 Power corrupts. THAT is why ALL systems that allow power to concentrate are always corrupted in time.
Capitalism is not perfect, but when left truly FREE, capitalism is the BEST system because it allows competition which slows the poision of concentrating power.
The poision in capitalism is Progressivism aka "change via gov't action".
Keeping commerce "regular" means, not to concentrate power and regulate everything, it means STOP monopollies like gov't..
@Lombokstrait1 Yes, FREE to do anything BUT; 1) take taxpayer's money directly or indirectly or receive special tax deductions, 2) influence politicians who then write laws which only giant corporations can afford thus killing their smaller competition, 3) Monopolize as ALL monopolies are bad especially those who can write laws to "legally" steal, imprison, enslave or murder.
Totally free aka Anarchy is NOT what I'm talking about because Anarchy ALWAYS lead to Authoritarianism via socialism.
@yakyakyak69 This too is a myth a small govt with technology can now act like a big govt. As I said before the intel/military industrial complex is now in place stateside ready to protect the MultiNational's interests.
A small govt vs big govt is no longer relevant with this world of drones and processing power that is increasing in speed.
A small govt that protects corporations over its citizens is still fascism. Sorry.
Your views are idealistic and old. Plain and simple.
@Lombokstrait1 If gov't size doesn't matter, then you won't mind if we start with firing 75% of the worthless gov't beaurocrats and closing ALL Federal departments who's names are not found in the Constitution.
We can also stop ALL redistribution, Corporate or Social. After all, it is WRONG to steal even when you use crony politicians to steal for you who give some of that stolen money away as "charity".
@yakyakyak69 Govt size isn't the question, it's govt power I'm worried about.
The govt. workers? Don't worry their time will come. The Postal workers are going first it looks like. These things take time. But then they really may go postal without jobs... oh well.
ALL redistribution? There you go again... so idealistic. In a corporate sense, that can't be stopped. The social entitlements is beginning to shrivel.
@Lombokstrait1 Looks like we're agreeing more and more....
Your vote is a joke... check.
Get rid of gov't workers... check.
Worried about "big gov't"... check.
Now, the only problem is how fast a system is corrupted by cronyism. Which corrupts faster, a system with SOME competition like capitalism or a system with ZERO competition like State controlled Socialism.
Power naturally concentrates and corrupts, so we must START with a system where power is as diffuse as possible.
@yakyakyak69 Yup. I just don't like this belief that the free market will save us, because when the media says Free Market (FOX included) they really mean the status quo (and any changes/reforms they do ask for would just favor the powerful more).
The people on top don't want the game board upended at all... any moves they make are to keep them on top. There are no good guys. Heads they win and tails we lose. Divide the poor (OWS and Tea Party) and conquer. Works every time.
@Lombokstrait1 The tea party has been a proven media invention by the Koch brothers and fox news, it has nothing to do with OWS. It has been proven beyond a shaddow of a doubt that the same people who lost faith in the Bush administration on the far right fled to the safety of the old switch and bait because they are right wing religious extremists who refuse to let their hypocrisy and pro-pedophile(church) agenda to be interrupted by their "do as I say not as I do" pseudo-philosophy.
@imaginativelads Agreed. The tea-party is their mechanism to divide and conquer the middle class that is suffering this massive beat down.
They are also using religion to do the dividing and conquering. Religion is their center piece to get everyone's eyes off the ball. Do what you are told and you will go to heaven.
And then they mix in that blind patriotism into it and it becomes so devisive, so toxic. Mission accomplished. Brilliant. I gotta hand it to them, they are very smart.
@Lombokstrait1 There is a way to divide wallstreet, leaving them vunerable and concilliatory, but I'm afraid it requires a clever kind of violence. If we are to be successful at getting to the rich, and really scaring them into concessions then a lone wolf is required, using poison to merely disable a few of the very elite into a catatonic state, this would not draw the ire of the American people because no one has been killed.No martyrs would be left,thus neutralizing any sympathy, in theory.
wallstreet is a hydra - cut the head off it will only grow back. so poisoning or killing an 'elite' member of wall street will only result in them being replaced by another.
money affects business.
people affects government.
boycott and protest.
occupy wallstreet is ineffective - cutting off the head to have it grow back.. but a necessary start.
boycott businesses deep in wall streets pocket - poison its blood.
protest government for policy change - cauterize its neck.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson
"I sincerely believe ... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." -- Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.
@yakyakyak69 Ah, yes typical conservative with the old switch and bait. Psssst, just a little advice, you're not smart enough. Oh, by the way, you still have yet to defeat my adamantine argument which is, if people are imperfect then how can the free market which is entrusted to people, be any better than government? Looks like. . .
@yakyakyak69 End the Fed? Good luck. I'm voting for Ron Paul.. I'm writing him in no matter what. My vote is meaningless anyway.
I don't have any hope though. They (the Fed and it's cronies) have this thing locked up. They are very smart and very dangerous and they have all the resources they need to keep their game intact.
What Jefferson was talking about has already taken hold. For any meaningful change things will have to get very very ugly.
@yakyakyak69 So I take it your inability to defeat me with reason is a concession to the truth. I thought as much.
ATTENTION! @yakyakyak69 has conceded and victory is ours against his deceitful propaganda masquerading for truth. We have one a great victory using pure reason against his baseless rhetoric. God bless America, and let the light of freedom and truth destroy vampires like him forever.
@yakyakyak69 Also I know your idea of a FREE doesn't mean lawlessness. But that's what you get in the end. The winners in a free market buy influence and project power so quickly that the market is no longer free. Just look at a monopoly like Microsoft. They gobbled up a brand new market years ago and have had it bottled up ever since. They protected their monopoly in DC and bought influence.
Look at Wall St. they have regulatory capture and are now lawless. MF Global took $1.2+ BIL
I don't think it is clear whether this guy is a part of occupy wall street or just a guy who wanted to take the opportunity to speak given by the moderator.
This guy is a perfect example of why this "abolish, audit, end the Fed" movement can't get off the ground. What he said is correct, however, in the eyes of the general public, he. and just about every one of his kind, come across as inarticulate, repetitive, disheveled, uninformed, and conspiratorial. This guy just missed a major opportunity to actually educate the audience about the Fed, but instead just kept repeating himself. The Fed employs 10,000 Phd Level Economists. Game Over.
@winterrosscharlton Talk about devisiveness... wow bro. What he did was amazing and I hope I can contribute at least 1/10th to the Ron Paul campaign of what this guy just did.
ALL FOR RON AND RON FOR ALL!!! Stop the Wars, End the Fed.. STOP Crony-Capitalism!!! fuck these rich mother fuckers bail out.... successful people are still part of the 99%... its the bankers and business 'too big to fail' BUDDIES of the FED who are the 1%... THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROTESTING! Understand.... and understand. God Bless Dr. Ron Paul! He who has the CURE! *THUMBS WAY UP!*
Dane Phillips, the guy, is real. I know because I have done work on his website as well as his book, Battle Hymn: Revelations of the Sinister Plan for a New World Order. What you heard is his truth and he has put his money where his mouth is.
The federal reserve is immoral. Although no candidate has actually stepped up to the plate and offered a logical defense of the fed, any candidate that pleads ignorance or just outright tries to cover it up or change the subject(9-9-9?) is just as responsible. Meanwhile Paul is the only candidate that has provided clear reasons for ending the fed.
Wow there really are some real people(the guy who traveled from Nevada and had time to say his piece) who are wide awake about the Fed....God Bless him and Ron Paul!!!
I don't think most "Occupiers" are as coherent as this guy, and, at times, I believe they direct their ire in the wrong direction. It should be more bent on corporate welfare and the federal reserve. You want a government that works for you and not some corporation? Vote in a guy that won't go along with the status quo, which is what Republicans and Democrats in our despicable two-faction system (something the Founders warned us about). Who would buck the status quo the hardest? Ron Paul. 2012.
@anthropomorphosizeme OH CMON , come off it what I have written is what Ron Paul believes in because its the TRUTH the real truth not alex jones truth, unfortunately the fucktard conspiracy theorists who want to make money don't want you to know that.
who talks about the federal reserve these days? Other than Ron Paul wanting to end it, or Herman Cain not wanting an audit to see where the money has been going lol.
I am horribly confused.. I thought the OWS movement was a bunch of dirty degenerate hippie communist scum? I know its true, I heard it on FOX. That guy must be a covert Marxist.
I CANNOT BELIEVE I JUST RAN INTO THIS VIDEO BY ACCIDENT!!!
AFTER WATCHING THE FORUM I LOOKED FRANTICALLY FOR A CLIP OF THIS GUY THAT I COULD EDIT AND REPOST AND LOW AND BEHOLD IT WAS HERE ALREADY! THANK YOU!!!
THIS MAN SAID EXAAAAAAAAACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT ALONG WITH EVERY SINGLE OTHER RON PAUL SUPPORTER OUT THERE, FOR MONTHS!!!
END THE FED, OCCUPY THE FED
STOP "CONQUER AND DIVIDE;" "LEFT/RIGHT PARADIGM;" "PEPSI VS COKE"
911 views on the ticker right now , Double your efforts now people . Ron Paul is a great man but he is just one soul. He needs us to represent him. Be on your best behavior and represent us well. Go Ron Paul, END THE FED
@sailfished I do not think I have ever seen a Ron Paul supporter behave well, especially you. I would guess you are typical, you know foul mouthed, delusional andd wrong. By this time in January Paul will have dropped out. You know like his supporters are dropouts of society.
@lizardgizard2002 LOL Yesss we all secretly get together in dens and cult gatherings in the woods and talk about stable currency and personal liberty, what we in The Twisted Circle of Friends call The Almighty Na-Na-Na! OMG I wish I knew what your responding to cause that's the most fucked up conspiracy theory Ive ever heard, good luck trolling, please waste more of your time, I'll respond, I'll give you your opium, but only for a while, I have a life and there's plenty of opium on youtube for u
@lizardgizard2002 "Libertarianism is 'cultish,' say the sophisticates. Of course, there's nothing cultish at all about allegiance to the state, with its flags, its songs, its mass murders, its little children saluting and paying homage to pictures of their dear leaders on the wall, etc."
Hate to say this but this was a plant....not certain of Frank's objective. This was far too polished and contrived to be legitimately spontaneous. The message was good, but Frank was indeed up to something. May have been to directly associate Ron Paul's End the Fed stance to the OWS movement and place in the minds of the audience (most likely an ignorant audience with respect to anything OWS) that all of OWS is End the Fed and that once again Ron is not legitimate. I trust Luntz NOT.
@wd64simy I watched this several times-I don't think this was a plant. Even if he was, it has gotten out some vital seeds that might just grow for a percentage of the attendees. The FED is off-limits. Out of sight, out of mind...just like they ignore Paul.
@lnsk Maybe , maybe not....but the gentleman who spoke did not appear to me to be in any way a true representative of the OWS movement. I agree that getting the message out is good. Just not buying Luntz who is without a doubt the great poll manipulator, which can be seen time and time again with his "so-called" focus groups. Review past videos from the 2008 election with Luntz "orchestrating" the discussion. I give him credit for being a master mind of human psychology.
@wd64simy ows is not a monolithic block, he is an aspect and as legitimate as any other aspect. I oppose the socialist one worlders who are a part of ows. Does that make me or them illegitimate?And what faction do you represent?
@sailfished I really do not know who or what the OWS is other than some videos taken at events in different cities. This gentleman did not appear to be similarly minded to those in the streets- an observation. I am not part of any faction. My goal in life is to be a thinking human being who can hopefully pass along something better to his children with respect to what it means to be human. There is nothing in my own human understanding that purports we are supposed to be part of a faction.
While I agree with this OWS gentleman he made a error.
The Federal Reserve is not, in fact, owned by foriegn banks. This had been an issue with the first National Bank which was destroyed in 1811, which had indeed been found to be largely owned by British and Dutch banks. However, SEC regulations ensure that any ownership percentage more than 5% of an American bank will set off alarms.
But, the Fed IS privately owned...and this is a huge problem. Monetary reform is crucially needed.
@wmped He never said foreign Banks, he said foreign interests & that these interests are anonymous. he is correct a high percentage of shareholdings is in the hands of foreign interests, specifically British & Europe, The SEC is controlled by the same Federal Reserve Interests, so I give no credibility to this phony notion that rules are being followed sorry. Understand the Council on Foreign Relations is the Communist Globalist strategic arm, of the FED BANK, both need abolishing
@wmped The man never said anything about foreign Banks, you have miss quoted the gentleman & made a false statement. Please revise your message, it is blatantly incorrect & false.
Ron Paul 2012! End the Fed!
MrBullfrog9876 1 month ago
fuck yeah ive never seen this!!! occupy the fed!
mariomoose 2 months ago
If you sit home waiting your turn you deserve to have your gun taken from your cold dead hands.
The Founders didn’t wait for the Brits to knock down their doors. They gathered at the green and stood up like men and they killed government employees all the way back to Boston.
What will you do when it’s time to hunt NWO hacks, republicrats and commies(“Liberals” and ‘progressives’)?
Don't understand? Follow my links. Read the quotes page first. Then read my column ‘Prepping for Slavery’
waypasthadenough 2 months ago
I hate religion and the instant "respect" it commands. "house of worship"
We have a country to worry about. Now is not the time for fairy tale worship.
Lukeor 2 months ago
@Lukeor Nobody cares stfu, if your mad at god keep it to yourself cry baby...
YourMajestyNAS 2 months ago
I see this as negotiating with terrorists. We MUST give a forum for the Occu-poopers, or they'll disrupt our events. The 'right to free speech' is now 'the right to be heard?'
Is this going to apply at every venue? I get 2 minutes mike-time at Yankee Stadium before The National Anthem? Maybe play a little bass with Mick Jagger at a Stones concert? Maybe Mark Levin can get up on stage at a Occu-bama fundraiser?
No, only Liberals who are appeased in their extortion. Constantly.
fascistcat 2 months ago
@fascistcat
But it wasn't a "Liberal"(communist) who got up and spoke...
waypasthadenough 2 months ago
@waypasthadenough The Occu-pooper wasn't a Lib? Please! I'm sure he voted for GW Bush.
By taking the mic he admitted that he went there with the intention of shouting down speakers at the forum. The 'End the Fed' types never explain what will replace the Fed after the Jews are dispatched with.
None of these Paul-istinians are going to vote for Gingrich or the others if they get the eventual nomination. Most will vote for O'bama. This guy is on the dole.
fascistcat 2 months ago
@fascistcat How about replacing the Fed's power (to regulate the value of the dollar) with the method described in the US Constitution? Article 1 Section 8: "Powers of Congress: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin." The Congress, not some multi-nationally owned bank (which the Fed is). Unless of course you are a pro-globalist statist who doesn't care much for the Constitution. In which case I can understand your disagreement with Ron Paul.
CaptainObvious1970 2 months ago
hm..i saw this debate too and im a bit surprised by the comments under this. He had the opportunity to speak. At a conservative show. Think about the last time you saw that. Oh yeah never.
LordKaisen 2 months ago
HA! The moderator thought a bunch of robotic commie hippies would come up there but it was a very wise, thoughtful, and courteous gentlemen and a RON PAUL SUPPORTER!
MrBullfrog9876 3 months ago 2
So many satanic candidates in a church... Wow
solarlove429 3 months ago 2
@solarlove429
What do you think most preachers are?
waypasthadenough 2 months ago
Frank the Luntz Luntz.
lol
alvisc2002 3 months ago
WOW
alvisc2002 3 months ago
fuck u frank u con artist
mreisma 3 months ago
This is a massive fail for Frank Luntz because, he assumed the guy who was at the mic was interrupting as a protester on the left. YEAH! WE WIN AGAIN BECAUSE CONSERVATARDS ARE TOO STUPID.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
That's what I don't get about Ron Paul, he rails against the Fed, but doesn't explain what the Fed really is. 99% have no clue. He needs to say it like it is, a cartel of private banks governs the US.
fazole 3 months ago
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Staged IMO. What kind of normal person is as polished a speaker as this guy was? Seems more like another Luntz trick in which he's trying to tie Ron Paul to OWS in a room full of Republicans during a Republican debate.
RileyE104 3 months ago
@RileyE104 Excellent observation.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
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RileyE104 3 months ago
This bank needs to go into the toilet. It needs to go bye bye. It is the resason we are in such a hole. They are responsible for the situation we are in. We owe them so much money we are literally only paying the interest. The money we borrow to pay there debit is paying for China's Military and country to get rich. Time to say no more.
67bug67 3 months ago
YEAH!!!! END THE FED!
phillisthebarbarian 3 months ago
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BBNWorldNews 3 months ago
I've always liked Frank Luntz. While he has a popular voice in conservative media and Republican circles he's definitely not a Neocon =] Ron Paul 2012!! Get the word out!
TheHeavyMetalJesus 3 months ago
The decision to put Jesus on the cross weighed heavily because of his protest against the money changers.
The share-holders of the Federal Reserve definitely want to place RON PAUL on the cross as well.
301steady 3 months ago
Kudos to the forum choosing this speaker to give an opening speech.
votingronpaul2008 3 months ago
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Enemy of Greece, Ireland,Italy,Spain & USA - Jew
1.Goldman Sachs CEO, Lyold Blankfein - Jew
2.IMF Deputy CEO, John Lisky - Jew
3.Ex IMF CEO, Dominic Strauss - Jew
4.World Bank CEO, Robert Zoellick-Jew
5.Ex World Bank CEO, James Woolfesen-Jew
6.Fed Chairman, Ben Bernanke-Jew
7.Ex Fed Chairman, Alan Greenspan-Jew
8.Obama Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner - Jew
9.George Bush Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson- Jew
Stevie68000 3 months ago
AWESOME!!!
2ruthfox82 3 months ago
That was pretty cool
JesseKantstopolis 3 months ago
Ron Paul has nothing to do with OWS. This man is not an OWS protester.
MsJCBurke 3 months ago
@MsJCBurke
I beg to differ....whats makes you the expert on what the OWS protests "is"...Its not about leftists(they have co-opted the movement)...If fact Ron Paul was recently interrupted by OWS protesters in which Dr. Paul then addressed their grievances and told them that he IS part of their movement.
enjoiskaterguy 3 months ago
@MsJCBurke Who are you to decide who is a protester in a leaderless movement>? You are an arrogant twit_
evandonghue2 3 months ago
@MsJCBurke I am not so sure you are correct. His words lead many to question this Bank.
Krackonis 3 months ago
@MsJCBurke Ron Paul speaks to the OWS about the most important message, he offers solution they seek.
2ruthfox82 3 months ago
Salute, was that on live tv ?
jeffy12 3 months ago
Ron Paul proves he's a religious kook just like the others. I used to have respect for him, but I'd rather have a mass genocide of people like this than to ever lose this country to one of these elected fruit cakes.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads
He has stated that he does not wear his religion on his shoulders...so you never have to worry about his values being forced on you....I mean come on, he's a libertarian...I mean, I wouldn't not vote for you just because you believed in a spaghetti monster in the sky....but if you forced your beliefs on me, then thats where you cross the line, and Ron Paul will never try to do that to you and I. He's the best chance we got.
enjoiskaterguy 3 months ago
@johnFruetel Thanks, I did find it.
Tangle2Brook 3 months ago
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johnFruetel 3 months ago
@Tangle2Brook Is was livecast over the internet. If you search youtube for Thanksgiving Family Forum, you'll find the entire debate
johnFruetel 3 months ago
that guy kicks ass!!!!!
theajax1973 3 months ago
I have only 2 words to say about this. RON PAUL!
keepitwildtv 3 months ago
Wow! Just wow. That was amazing, and made my hairs on the back of my neck stand up. God works in mysterious ways indeed!!
thebigconsultant 3 months ago
I can't see how anyone could support the FED
deadballo 3 months ago
Progressivism / Liberalism / Keynesian Statism advocates change or reform through GOV'T action.
Give ANY politician or bureaucrat power to "redistribute & regulate" OTHER people’s money & choices and they will ALWAYS benefit THEIR “special interest” campaign backers; Financial-Industrial Complex, Military-Industrial Complex, Marxist Unions, Giant "Green" Corps, Big Oil, Pharma, Insurance etc.
Statism = Corrupt Political Cronyism.
Fed’s FIAT (counterfeit) debt-currency FUELS THE FIRE!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 I think you analysis is wrong. You left out fascism. Which is basically socialism for the rich.
Do you deny that the rich control our nation's capital?
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 "The Rich" is too ambiguous and subjective to use in any meaninful way. When you use the term "the rich" you could be saying "the successful" or "the hard working".
A better way to state your point is: The "special interests" control our nation's capital because WE have allowed the "progressives" socialists to place us into "special groups" and pit us against each other while THEY GROW GOV'T to empower the politicians and buerocrats to "redistribute" our money to them.
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 Well what do you call it when they redistribute it to Wall Street (the rich) and to the Mil Ind Complex (the rich) and the car industry?
I call it facism.
To clarify.. the Rich and powerfu (connected). Those that control the media, the mil ind complex (and surveiliance complex) and the multi nationals are the ones to blame. Progressives? That is ambiguous.
Fascism is the melding of corporations and govt and that is what we have here right now.
You think the OWs have power?
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Wall Street "public-private partnerships" is (Fascism) aka Corporate Socialism. The Auto Company bailouts were for the Union "special interests".
Forced Redistribution (individual or corporate), the EVIL child of Hubris & Envy is Pandora's Box, when opened it makes SLAVES of the taxed, DEPENDANTS of the recipients, TYRANTS of the powerful and CRONIES of the politicians all in the name of "helping" some by enslaving ALL.
Progressive "change via gov't" keynesianism = corrupt!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 the unions? LOL. Right. who owns GM? We the tax payer bailout them out and they took the money and moved the plants to China and India... and management said "oh, we're fine. We are going to grow."
The Unions are small time.
Keyensianism... no. It is still fascism. And now it will mutate to authoritarianism. They have the intelligence complex installed stateside and they are tightening their grip as they continue to militarize the police.
Our children are screwed.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 I hope it moves to authoritarianism so we can exterminate filth like you. We have tolerated you religious child molesters long enough and allowed you to use our great nations flag for toilet paper long enough, well those days ARE OVER, YOU GOT THAT? I wouldn't mind seeing you all exterminated like cockroaches in a massive genocide approved of by REAL Americans who are also fed up with you lying turds. You will have a fair trial, and then be compassionately euthenized.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads Oooooh. LOL! Religious child molesters? huh?
Fist off I'm not religious.
And now I really REALLY hate Penn State.
So you aren't making any sense. Tu es LOCO.
Ya fuck'n Nazi! LOL. You just shit on the flag you think you love, dumb ass.
Thank you. Really. Please entertain me more.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Most child molesters come from right wing religious families, FBI stats 2009. It's a fact that the angry, angry right wing and their cult of insanity can't get around, no matter how hard they try. It's also a proven fact that the religious right wing, christo fascist, Islamo TERRORIST sympathizers do not support our troops, and use our flag for toilet paper whenever they get a chance. Too bad you'll never know the thrill of serving your country, traitor. LOL! Now go get a job.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads You are very informative. But I'm not right wing, dude. I'm not religious. As I stated before.
And I support our troops as best I can, I pay taxes and I sympathize for their plight.
The thrill of serviing our country? It's a thrill being a pawn?
And I have a job.
? Are you left or right wing? It's seems you are a mix of both. Very interesting.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Now go drink some more of the kool-aid, TRAITOR and TRY to be a patriot for ONCE in your life. And stop being so, well, a n g r y. Try loving America, and being grateful every once in a while.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads I'm the angry one? Geez. I think you're just being silly now.
What kool aid do you think I drink? And why am I a traitor. And how do you try to be a patriot?
Show me the way.
You're funny.
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yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Keynesianism is Central Planning which is Socialism. BOTH Collective-Communism and Corporate-Fascism are Socialism.
When the taxpayer's funds are redistributed to those who won't work or want to get paid more than PURE competition and the FREE market dictates... that's Socialism.
When the taxpayer's funds are redistributed to corporations... that's Fascism.
When the taxpayer's funds are redistributed to corporations to "create union jobs", that's Collective-Fascism!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 And what do you call it when taxpayers funds are redistributed to corp.s and they take the jobs overseas?
Further your FREE market ideology is a myth. There never was a free market and never will be because influence is ALWAYS bought and WILL always be bought. The winners in a capitalist society seek to consolidate and preserve power by buying influence. Just look at the US now as all the proof you need.
Your free market is like a fairy tale. Almost as idealistic as communism
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1
“A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.” Thomas Jefferson
Redistribution = Political Cronyism.
You confuse Capitalism (gov't ONLY stops monopolies from forming) with CRONY-Capitalism aka Corporate-Socialism (gov't cronies CREATE monopolies by choosing winners & losers).
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 Simply no. Capitalism ultimately corrupts just like anything else. Everything decays.
Our system has decayed and needs cleaning out.
When did an actual free market ever exist?
It never has. Capitalism always ends up buying power. It's human nature. Everyone seeks unfair advantages in a market place. It's like war, you don't want a fair fight.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Well, said, in fact, I would contend that entropy plays a major role in just about every system created by man or nature. Capitalism, is failing and for those who are deluded enough to believe that somehow "God" picked us out as a unique exception to the rule of decline are lying to themselves or they are politicians lying to the other buffoons on this channel. Shhhhhh, the buffoons don't know it, so please don't tell them.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads I think you've been replying to the wrong guy. You want to reply to yakyakyak69.
And you are right entropy plays a role in everything, especially any man made systems, be they political, economic, or mechanical.
All I can say is just ease down a bit. You're gripping a bit too tightly.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@imaginativelads Capitalism is NOT "failing". Keynesianism (central planning) if failing due to the inherent "Unintended Consequences" that comes from "rule from on high".
Gentlemen, this was all planned out many years ago by the Global Central Banking Cartels. Gov't must be collapsed to make room for a Global Gov't aka New World Order of, by and for the Banking elite and the corporations they own via debt.
Watch: "Money as Debt full version" here on YouTube.
We must FREE the market!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 Actually you're wrong, and unfortunately human beings are too inherently selfish to agree on and too lazy to plan some kooky, spooky freemason conspiracy. The trouble with your theory lies in the fact that most economist laugh at it's implausibility, they mock and ridicule people like you who are controlled by conspiracies that gained media acceptance through the John Birch Society who developed a lot of the intricate details to control the weaker and less educated electorate.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads So, you're saying that concentrating power in the "political class" is a good thing and it's O.K. that only the rich and politically connected can gain power in a socialist democracy. That it's also good for policy to be made by a very small .0001% in Washington DC, policy that can take your money, time, property and even life.
Pure democracy is corrput when the gov't controls the media, the education system and the electorial system via regulation & redistribution cronyism.
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 No, those are not the ones who have power, what I am saying is that the corporate welfare state does not pay it's fair share and that 50% of Americans pay little or no taxes at all and that if we all paid some taxes the social safety net would be solvent and the same kind of socialism that ACTUALLY works in places like Denmark and Sweden would work. They have virtually no debt, and have not screwed up socialism like greece and England. Both capitalism and socialism are mis-managed.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads Yes Socialism & Capitalism have been mismanaged!
WHY and HOW are they mismanaged?
Give ANY politician or bureaucrat power to "redistribute & regulate" OTHER people’s money & choices and they will ALWAYS benefit THEIR “special interest” campaign backers; Financial-Industrial Complex, Military-Industrial Complex, Marxist Unions, Giant "Green" Corps, Big Oil, Pharma, Insurance etc.
It's OUR fault for thinking that politicians can fix things by giving what they don't own!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@imaginativelads
“WELFARE” IS HEARTLESS! Forced Redistribution (Social or Corporate) makes SLAVES of the taxed, DEPENDANTS of the recipients & crony TYRANTS of the politicians while killing FREEDOM & competition by taking the rewards of success and rewarding failure thus destroying ALL personal responsibility and ANY sense of self-worth.
Monopolistic “Progressive” Central Planning does NOT provide "justice" of ANY kind!
Watch: "Statism's Assembly Line" here on YouTube.
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 sorry , but your argument has failed again, denmark and sweden are tremendous successes and generalizations do not support your failed ideokogy. Ayn Rand was a sociopath, and unregulated markets have already been tried before the 20th century, ALL FAILURES. Socialism does work, but it must be managed properly. If you are advocating non government interference then all you have to look at is the guilded age, and we can see where you can't get any real traction in your argument.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads If you like Sweeden, then move there.
We Americans like to be FREE!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 Then my fellow Americans will earn there deaths, should they choose your proven insanity. You can not win this, because right equals might ,and I do not subscribe to moral relativity, unlike yourself, and subjectivism is a failed theory by a little old lady who died all alone, broken and unloved. We will destroy you, and rebuild a world in which the model does not include your insane ideas about freedom without responsibility.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads Responsibility starts with YOU! Pull you OWN weight. Keep you agreements. Don't force others to pay for YOUR failures by placing the yoke of Statism around their necks.
Don't be a socialist parasite!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 "Don't force others to pay for YOUR failures" Personally I am a very successful individual with loads of cash from a chain of restaurants in the south, I pay my employees (all) a bonus of about $2,000 a piece every Christmas, last year alone I bought 5 brand new cars for the best performing employees and 2 for those who I thought and believed had potential, but couldn't afford cars of their own. Now, I am a rare entrepreneur and that is my success story, what's yours?
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads I'm not rich. Unlike you, I AM the 99%, but I KNOW that it is WRONG to steal even when you elect OTHERS to steal for you.
It sounds like you're the typical, rich liberal hypocrite. You should keep $25,000/year for yourself and give everything else to pay off the national debt or give it to charity. Only then would you NOT be a hypocrite!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 You are NOT the 99% because that would require that you seek economic justice.I am not rich either because I give most of my money to charities and my employees.I am a better person than you not because I do any of that,but because I know the difference between right and wrong,and you do not.Yes, Virginia, some people are better than others, and I decided who is and isn't based on logic and worthiness.No,you are NOT in the 99% because your news still comes from conservative shills.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads I seek economic justice. True Justice can NOT come from theft via gov't FORCED redistribution.
You are NOT a "better person" than the average thief in prison because you want crony politicians to steal for you. You don't even have the courage to steal for yourself. You are NO "Robin Hood".
You don't know Right from Wrong.... theft is ALWAYS WRONG! Forced Enslavement is ALWAYS WRONG!
Liberal Gang Rape is ALWAYS WRONG!
I am the 99%, YOU are the .0004%!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@imaginativelads
HI DOUCHE
HalfBornUnicornFetus 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 You have been beaten by logic and reason with no where to go. Socialism is the only hope for a free society to flourish, if you want a return to Ayn Rand then I will fight you to the bitter end and destroy the whole thing rather than return to what the 19th century was. My goal will be your destruction, and that's too bad because I have already offered examples which you choose to ignore at your own peril.You see, being passionate with right and reason on my side can not serve you.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads Socialism is Statism and therefore the OPPOSITE of FREE!
My goal is NOT "your destruction". I want to open you eyes to that you too can be FREE!
Why are Statists like you ALWAYS violent?
Little commie parasites always cause so much trouble... what a shame!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69
Socialism is defined as a Sate-less Class-less society.
Wonder how your "Statism" fits in there.......
NeutralExistence 3 months ago
@NeutralExistence
Which kind of Socialism are you referring to; National-Socialism (NAZI) aka Fascsm, or Collective-Socialism aka Communism?
How is Socialism "stateless or classless" when Socialism requires a HUGE and POWERFUL centralized gov't which is PERVASIVE enough to FORCE their Bureaucratic version of "justice" and "fairness" defined by committee on each and every citizen of the nation equally?
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69
The Nazi's were not Socialists, they were corporate fascists through and through. Simply because one uses a title to endear the working class does not mean the ideology necessarily follows suit. Well since Socialism is both a form of government, and a form of economy it does not need to mean anything about the government in the least.... By all means Socialism can operate in an even less regulated setting then most Capitalist society's, common ownership is quite free in nature.
NeutralExistence 3 months ago
@NeutralExistence Today's children don't understand the horrors of Socialism. They weren't taught history and were fed misinformaton by the gov't collectivist union teachers.
Perhaps you need to do a little more research on you own before you stick you dirty little commie shoe in your mouth again. A shoe that was only produced because SOMEBODY wanted to better thier lives by investing their CAPITAL in a shoe company, produce thousands of jobs and better the lives of all who wanted to work.
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69
Today's children? What are you, old father "Red killer", the anti-Communist hero of the patriot "American" South?
Perhaps you should research the meaning of a Socialist/Communist economy/government, and understand that we have never seen a pure Marxist Socialist/Communist society ever used on a national scale. The U.S.S.R. was a disgusting betrayal of all the idea's that the Communist Manifesto holds so dear, and so was the many copiers of this terrible regime.
NeutralExistence 3 months ago
@NeutralExistence
And of course you'll get it right next time, at the cost of another 100 million dead.
waypasthadenough 2 months ago
@waypasthadenough
What the hell are you going on about....
I cant believe how much you guys let that CIA black propaganda get to you.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Power corrupts. THAT is why ALL systems that allow power to concentrate are always corrupted in time.
Capitalism is not perfect, but when left truly FREE, capitalism is the BEST system because it allows competition which slows the poision of concentrating power.
The poision in capitalism is Progressivism aka "change via gov't action".
Keeping commerce "regular" means, not to concentrate power and regulate everything, it means STOP monopollies like gov't..
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 " when left truly FREE," that is a giant contradiction. when truly free... it will be free to corrupt.
You aren't making any sense.
Do you know what free means?
You can't stop human nature. Humans competing seek unfair advantages ANYWAY THEY CAN. Therefore your FREE MARKET ideology is a MYTH.
Here's a question how do you right the ship? I don't think we can without a calamity first. Someone needs to hit the reset button.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Yes, FREE to do anything BUT; 1) take taxpayer's money directly or indirectly or receive special tax deductions, 2) influence politicians who then write laws which only giant corporations can afford thus killing their smaller competition, 3) Monopolize as ALL monopolies are bad especially those who can write laws to "legally" steal, imprison, enslave or murder.
Totally free aka Anarchy is NOT what I'm talking about because Anarchy ALWAYS lead to Authoritarianism via socialism.
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Yes, as you said: "You can't stop human nature."
This is why we must NOT allow politicians to have the power to become cronies to "special interest groups" of ANY kind.
Totally Free is a myth because that requires personal responsibility, BUT the smaller gov't becomes, the MORE free We, the People become!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 This too is a myth a small govt with technology can now act like a big govt. As I said before the intel/military industrial complex is now in place stateside ready to protect the MultiNational's interests.
A small govt vs big govt is no longer relevant with this world of drones and processing power that is increasing in speed.
A small govt that protects corporations over its citizens is still fascism. Sorry.
Your views are idealistic and old. Plain and simple.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 If gov't size doesn't matter, then you won't mind if we start with firing 75% of the worthless gov't beaurocrats and closing ALL Federal departments who's names are not found in the Constitution.
We can also stop ALL redistribution, Corporate or Social. After all, it is WRONG to steal even when you use crony politicians to steal for you who give some of that stolen money away as "charity".
I'm glad we agree!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 Govt size isn't the question, it's govt power I'm worried about.
The govt. workers? Don't worry their time will come. The Postal workers are going first it looks like. These things take time. But then they really may go postal without jobs... oh well.
ALL redistribution? There you go again... so idealistic. In a corporate sense, that can't be stopped. The social entitlements is beginning to shrivel.
Tyranny is set to take place in a big way...
oh and your vote is a joke.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 Looks like we're agreeing more and more....
Your vote is a joke... check.
Get rid of gov't workers... check.
Worried about "big gov't"... check.
Now, the only problem is how fast a system is corrupted by cronyism. Which corrupts faster, a system with SOME competition like capitalism or a system with ZERO competition like State controlled Socialism.
Power naturally concentrates and corrupts, so we must START with a system where power is as diffuse as possible.
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 Yup. I just don't like this belief that the free market will save us, because when the media says Free Market (FOX included) they really mean the status quo (and any changes/reforms they do ask for would just favor the powerful more).
The people on top don't want the game board upended at all... any moves they make are to keep them on top. There are no good guys. Heads they win and tails we lose. Divide the poor (OWS and Tea Party) and conquer. Works every time.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 The tea party has been a proven media invention by the Koch brothers and fox news, it has nothing to do with OWS. It has been proven beyond a shaddow of a doubt that the same people who lost faith in the Bush administration on the far right fled to the safety of the old switch and bait because they are right wing religious extremists who refuse to let their hypocrisy and pro-pedophile(church) agenda to be interrupted by their "do as I say not as I do" pseudo-philosophy.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@imaginativelads Agreed. The tea-party is their mechanism to divide and conquer the middle class that is suffering this massive beat down.
They are also using religion to do the dividing and conquering. Religion is their center piece to get everyone's eyes off the ball. Do what you are told and you will go to heaven.
And then they mix in that blind patriotism into it and it becomes so devisive, so toxic. Mission accomplished. Brilliant. I gotta hand it to them, they are very smart.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1 There is a way to divide wallstreet, leaving them vunerable and concilliatory, but I'm afraid it requires a clever kind of violence. If we are to be successful at getting to the rich, and really scaring them into concessions then a lone wolf is required, using poison to merely disable a few of the very elite into a catatonic state, this would not draw the ire of the American people because no one has been killed.No martyrs would be left,thus neutralizing any sympathy, in theory.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
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wallstreet is a hydra - cut the head off it will only grow back. so poisoning or killing an 'elite' member of wall street will only result in them being replaced by another.
money affects business.
people affects government.
boycott and protest.
occupy wallstreet is ineffective - cutting off the head to have it grow back.. but a necessary start.
boycott businesses deep in wall streets pocket - poison its blood.
protest government for policy change - cauterize its neck.
egoomega 3 months ago
@Lombokstrait1
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson
"I sincerely believe ... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." -- Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.
END THE FED... FIRST!
yakyakyak69 3 months ago
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imaginativelads 3 months ago
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@yakyakyak69 Ah, yes typical conservative with the old switch and bait. Psssst, just a little advice, you're not smart enough. Oh, by the way, you still have yet to defeat my adamantine argument which is, if people are imperfect then how can the free market which is entrusted to people, be any better than government? Looks like. . .
you lose, again.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 End the Fed? Good luck. I'm voting for Ron Paul.. I'm writing him in no matter what. My vote is meaningless anyway.
I don't have any hope though. They (the Fed and it's cronies) have this thing locked up. They are very smart and very dangerous and they have all the resources they need to keep their game intact.
What Jefferson was talking about has already taken hold. For any meaningful change things will have to get very very ugly.
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 So I take it your inability to defeat me with reason is a concession to the truth. I thought as much.
ATTENTION! @yakyakyak69 has conceded and victory is ours against his deceitful propaganda masquerading for truth. We have one a great victory using pure reason against his baseless rhetoric. God bless America, and let the light of freedom and truth destroy vampires like him forever.
imaginativelads 3 months ago
@yakyakyak69 Also I know your idea of a FREE doesn't mean lawlessness. But that's what you get in the end. The winners in a free market buy influence and project power so quickly that the market is no longer free. Just look at a monopoly like Microsoft. They gobbled up a brand new market years ago and have had it bottled up ever since. They protected their monopoly in DC and bought influence.
Look at Wall St. they have regulatory capture and are now lawless. MF Global took $1.2+ BIL
Lombokstrait1 3 months ago
the host asked the OWS guy to be respectful but said nothing when newt gingrich said OWS should have a bath and find a job!!
ibrahimo76 3 months ago 2
Once they start praising some sky fairy I tune out.
razerfish 3 months ago
He does not represent the OWS because the movement is leaderless, and has no religious affiliation.
fungye77 3 months ago
What is this mans name! Id like to thank him. Or add him to youtube or something. lol.
3o4Titties 3 months ago
I don't think it is clear whether this guy is a part of occupy wall street or just a guy who wanted to take the opportunity to speak given by the moderator.
JMWicklund 3 months ago
RON PAUL or NONE AT ALL!!!
tubeviewerX20 3 months ago 30
Ron Paul has my vote!
lb8825 3 months ago 22
oh...wow!
MisterMikesh 3 months ago
The federal reserve is owned by the banks not individuals. The problem is the market should be setting interest rates not individuals.
dougmcclure1234 3 months ago
This guy is a perfect example of why this "abolish, audit, end the Fed" movement can't get off the ground. What he said is correct, however, in the eyes of the general public, he. and just about every one of his kind, come across as inarticulate, repetitive, disheveled, uninformed, and conspiratorial. This guy just missed a major opportunity to actually educate the audience about the Fed, but instead just kept repeating himself. The Fed employs 10,000 Phd Level Economists. Game Over.
winterrosscharlton 3 months ago
@winterrosscharlton Talk about devisiveness... wow bro. What he did was amazing and I hope I can contribute at least 1/10th to the Ron Paul campaign of what this guy just did.
3o4Titties 3 months ago
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ManNorthern 3 months ago
ALL FOR RON AND RON FOR ALL!!! Stop the Wars, End the Fed.. STOP Crony-Capitalism!!! fuck these rich mother fuckers bail out.... successful people are still part of the 99%... its the bankers and business 'too big to fail' BUDDIES of the FED who are the 1%... THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROTESTING! Understand.... and understand. God Bless Dr. Ron Paul! He who has the CURE! *THUMBS WAY UP!*
LimeyCanuck83 3 months ago
Dane Phillips, the guy, is real. I know because I have done work on his website as well as his book, Battle Hymn: Revelations of the Sinister Plan for a New World Order. What you heard is his truth and he has put his money where his mouth is.
11rejomi 3 months ago 2
The guy wasn't even part of OWS. How do I know? Because he was real.
rsheldon86 3 months ago
Wow this guy spoke truth
sueBADcops 3 months ago
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WAKE THE PEOPLE UP.
Miyavi8667 3 months ago
frank putz
reggiearsekicker 3 months ago
Wonderful video.
Q69573 3 months ago
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The federal reserve is immoral. Although no candidate has actually stepped up to the plate and offered a logical defense of the fed, any candidate that pleads ignorance or just outright tries to cover it up or change the subject(9-9-9?) is just as responsible. Meanwhile Paul is the only candidate that has provided clear reasons for ending the fed.
hodoprime 3 months ago
Wow there really are some real people(the guy who traveled from Nevada and had time to say his piece) who are wide awake about the Fed....God Bless him and Ron Paul!!!
watertonrivers 3 months ago 2
Once again, Nevada representing well. Nevada had Ron for 2nd when they voted in 2008.
Tasadaru 3 months ago
@Tasadaru LOL, they must be a dumb bunch in Nevada.
lizardgizard2002 3 months ago
I don't think most "Occupiers" are as coherent as this guy, and, at times, I believe they direct their ire in the wrong direction. It should be more bent on corporate welfare and the federal reserve. You want a government that works for you and not some corporation? Vote in a guy that won't go along with the status quo, which is what Republicans and Democrats in our despicable two-faction system (something the Founders warned us about). Who would buck the status quo the hardest? Ron Paul. 2012.
defenderofdixie 3 months ago
Fuck you Frank.
MendingMedia 3 months ago 2
jackjill is a shill or just has an invalid statement of opinion
anthropomorphosizeme 3 months ago
@anthropomorphosizeme OH CMON , come off it what I have written is what Ron Paul believes in because its the TRUTH the real truth not alex jones truth, unfortunately the fucktard conspiracy theorists who want to make money don't want you to know that.
jackjillsean 3 months ago
who talks about the federal reserve these days? Other than Ron Paul wanting to end it, or Herman Cain not wanting an audit to see where the money has been going lol.
kmelfina 3 months ago
wel spoken buddy!
anthropomorphosizeme 3 months ago
OMG! Awesome moment!
Luntz and company couldn't have been expecting that reaction from the crowd.
SeppLainer 3 months ago
So then where's the part of this discussion where they address that guys question?
227Morgan 3 months ago
I am horribly confused.. I thought the OWS movement was a bunch of dirty degenerate hippie communist scum? I know its true, I heard it on FOX. That guy must be a covert Marxist.
FOX would never lead me astray....
dionysusdevotee 3 months ago 2
@dionysusdevotee
hahah
SeppLainer 3 months ago
I CANNOT BELIEVE I JUST RAN INTO THIS VIDEO BY ACCIDENT!!!
AFTER WATCHING THE FORUM I LOOKED FRANTICALLY FOR A CLIP OF THIS GUY THAT I COULD EDIT AND REPOST AND LOW AND BEHOLD IT WAS HERE ALREADY! THANK YOU!!!
THIS MAN SAID EXAAAAAAAAACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT ALONG WITH EVERY SINGLE OTHER RON PAUL SUPPORTER OUT THERE, FOR MONTHS!!!
END THE FED, OCCUPY THE FED
STOP "CONQUER AND DIVIDE;" "LEFT/RIGHT PARADIGM;" "PEPSI VS COKE"
OWS NEEDS TO JUMP 100% BEHIND RON PAUL
l0vezkitty 3 months ago
911 views on the ticker right now , Double your efforts now people . Ron Paul is a great man but he is just one soul. He needs us to represent him. Be on your best behavior and represent us well. Go Ron Paul, END THE FED
sailfished 3 months ago
@sailfished I do not think I have ever seen a Ron Paul supporter behave well, especially you. I would guess you are typical, you know foul mouthed, delusional andd wrong. By this time in January Paul will have dropped out. You know like his supporters are dropouts of society.
lizardgizard2002 3 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 ignore zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
sailfished 3 months ago
@sailfished Said the conspiracy theorist and Wrong Paul cult member who took the time to read and comment. LOL.
lizardgizard2002 3 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 LOL Yesss we all secretly get together in dens and cult gatherings in the woods and talk about stable currency and personal liberty, what we in The Twisted Circle of Friends call The Almighty Na-Na-Na! OMG I wish I knew what your responding to cause that's the most fucked up conspiracy theory Ive ever heard, good luck trolling, please waste more of your time, I'll respond, I'll give you your opium, but only for a while, I have a life and there's plenty of opium on youtube for u
amazingblur 3 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 "Libertarianism is 'cultish,' say the sophisticates. Of course, there's nothing cultish at all about allegiance to the state, with its flags, its songs, its mass murders, its little children saluting and paying homage to pictures of their dear leaders on the wall, etc."
pistolpete1012 3 months ago
Ron Paul for god's sake
lUnArEcLipsZe1788 3 months ago
A-W-E-S-O-M-E!
ImpeachAllCriminals 3 months ago
Why do all the other candidates try to steal Ron Pauls idea. If you watch them listen to Ron Paul they all take notes like they are students lol.
WatchPolitician 3 months ago 13
@WatchPolitician They are students. Ron Paul is the professor!
TURBOMAGNUM 3 months ago 2
That was beautiful.
videomakerman1232 3 months ago
Hate to say this but this was a plant....not certain of Frank's objective. This was far too polished and contrived to be legitimately spontaneous. The message was good, but Frank was indeed up to something. May have been to directly associate Ron Paul's End the Fed stance to the OWS movement and place in the minds of the audience (most likely an ignorant audience with respect to anything OWS) that all of OWS is End the Fed and that once again Ron is not legitimate. I trust Luntz NOT.
wd64simy 3 months ago
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@wd64simy Call Jesse!
Maybe Ventura could look into this for Season 3 on truTV
End the Wars...Bring the Troops Home...A vote for the Republic, the Constitution, and Liberty... Dr. Ron Paul 2012!
johncarter44 3 months ago 2
@wd64simy I watched this several times-I don't think this was a plant. Even if he was, it has gotten out some vital seeds that might just grow for a percentage of the attendees. The FED is off-limits. Out of sight, out of mind...just like they ignore Paul.
lnsk 3 months ago
@lnsk Maybe , maybe not....but the gentleman who spoke did not appear to me to be in any way a true representative of the OWS movement. I agree that getting the message out is good. Just not buying Luntz who is without a doubt the great poll manipulator, which can be seen time and time again with his "so-called" focus groups. Review past videos from the 2008 election with Luntz "orchestrating" the discussion. I give him credit for being a master mind of human psychology.
wd64simy 3 months ago
@wd64simy ows is not a monolithic block, he is an aspect and as legitimate as any other aspect. I oppose the socialist one worlders who are a part of ows. Does that make me or them illegitimate?And what faction do you represent?
sailfished 3 months ago
@sailfished I really do not know who or what the OWS is other than some videos taken at events in different cities. This gentleman did not appear to be similarly minded to those in the streets- an observation. I am not part of any faction. My goal in life is to be a thinking human being who can hopefully pass along something better to his children with respect to what it means to be human. There is nothing in my own human understanding that purports we are supposed to be part of a faction.
wd64simy 3 months ago
While I agree with this OWS gentleman he made a error.
The Federal Reserve is not, in fact, owned by foriegn banks. This had been an issue with the first National Bank which was destroyed in 1811, which had indeed been found to be largely owned by British and Dutch banks. However, SEC regulations ensure that any ownership percentage more than 5% of an American bank will set off alarms.
But, the Fed IS privately owned...and this is a huge problem. Monetary reform is crucially needed.
wmped 3 months ago 2
@wmped He never said foreign Banks, he said foreign interests & that these interests are anonymous. he is correct a high percentage of shareholdings is in the hands of foreign interests, specifically British & Europe, The SEC is controlled by the same Federal Reserve Interests, so I give no credibility to this phony notion that rules are being followed sorry. Understand the Council on Foreign Relations is the Communist Globalist strategic arm, of the FED BANK, both need abolishing
danz177 3 months ago
@wmped The man never said anything about foreign Banks, you have miss quoted the gentleman & made a false statement. Please revise your message, it is blatantly incorrect & false.
danz177 3 months ago
LOL, an obvious plant.
lizardgizard2002 3 months ago