You make good points, though I'm one of those people who is still trying to figure out who I am. IF I posted rants or what have you here on Youtube, I'd post something similar.
I don't know why I was expecting something a lot worse. Props man, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. This has been something I've advocated and demanded of myself, but I know I don't always follow through with it.
good vid. you are right everyone should be fine with themselves furry or not. i personaly do not care what ppl say to me. it is their opinion. if i say anything to trolls it is "you don't judge me and i won't judge you cause we all get judged in the end." so trolls i invite u to tell me to Yiff in Hell I DO NOT CARE.
Sage advice my friend, you're certainly a wiser individual than I, heh. I'll say, however, that personally, I'm still rather uncomfortable admitting things like being bi or being a fur, and though I wish I weren't I can't just force myself to be comfortable with it, y'know? Not that I'm in any way ashamed, it's more that I don't want people who know me to have to rewrite their image of me.
Part of being you is accepting and understanding the results of being you. I understand and let me address these concerns directly:
A. Kiss-ass at work. You don't have to be unlikable not to kiss ass. You could merely be fair and say what you honestly feel. It doesn't mean you need to be negative. Management can appreciate someone who calls things as they see them as long as they are not an asshole. In fact they appreciate having people who's opinion is genuine, who isn't shooting BS.
As far as furry related and being mistreated and possibly discriminated against? Why do you think I am here making video's? Why do I go out in public occasionally with my "proud furry" shirt? I fully understand the risks. It's possible, though unlikely I could suffer numerous repercussions. Including job, friends, family, insults, and even possibly physical violence.
Yet I go out anyways. I will not be afraid of who I am and SOMEONE has to put their feet forwards and spread accurate info.
The key is: Ya some of what I do is for me, but some of it isn't. The fandom needs brave and level headed individuals to go out and deal with the risks and show what the fandom is truly about. The reason cultures in the past, who have faced far worse discrimination, overcame these things is because they never gave up and there were always reasonable folks showing what the culture was as well as the wrongs against it. Using both words and action.
As far as your friend? He is a liar, thief, cheat, etc? Yet he is successful. There are two possibilities here. Either A. His actions merely haven't caught up with him yet or B. He is one of the lucky exceptions that happen in life.
As a final note. Even the most successful and intelligent of these people share 2 fatal flaws. 1: They get cocky and keep pursuing bigger and better until they try for something they shouldn't have. 2. No matter how careful they are, they leave loose ends of prior dirty deals laying around. As time passes, they continue to add to this pile of loose ends. Thus the chances that one of them bites them in the butt grows ever larger.
Being yourself is nice and all. But I feel you are being naive and failing to take into consideration others view of yourself and the degree of change in there behavior due to there perceptions. If your natural self is something others find acceptable you are ok but if its not, then you need to learn how to change other people's perception of you in order to acquire the responses you want/need.
ok an example. I have had many coworkers who say things such as "I kiss no ones ass!". Most of them are 40+ and still working in entry level jobs. They complain when younger employees get promoted over them. I was reading a career article on the frontpage of yahoo that quoted a study saying "Most management would rather work with someone who is incompetent but likable than someone who does excellent work but is not likable." I have seen this in action. "Fake it till you make it"
Heres a few furry related ones. I saw a post on FA about a kid who is a young furry artist. His teacher discovered he was a fur, his teacher hates furs and now the kid is being mistreated because of his involvement with a fandom. I cannot remember the link but it was recent.
The furry fandom is treated like a fetish due to the "activities" of some of its members. This can lead to very bad things.
About three or so years ago time magazine had a special issue about human sexuality. In the back part was a political dilema the BDSM community was facing. Turns out if your boss finds out your secret they can FIRE you without repercusions. But it does not stop there even if you keep your activities in your bedroom, they can take your children away, it does not matter how good of a parent you are. If The furry fandom is PERCIEVED in the same way as the BDSM community the same things can happen.
Being yourself is a good idea but it sadly clashes with reality sometimes. You need to control how you are perceived, if you don't then depending who the real you is, you may end up struggling needlessly to get ahead. I have seen horrible people succeed effortlessly because the knew this. I have a friend who is a liar, a thief, a cheat, and honestly not too bright who always has the best stuff, hottest girls, and high paying jobs. Why because he makes himself appear to be what people want.
That friend and I used to argue on this subject a lot. I won the arguments but lost the war when he did everything he said he could.
The reason you feel shame is because you feel that others will not accept that part of you. That is shames purpose, to keep us from sharing that part with others. Shame protects us from social faux pas so we don't alienate ourselves from the social group. Seems even nature thinks "fake it till you make it."
This is merely my personal opinion taken from irl exp.
Amen to being yourself. I make all the gay jokes I want, as much as I am not gay, and enjoy it because I know I'm not gay. What everyone else thinks is irrelevant because I'm happy with being who I am.
"but I will also say that it is true of some/alot of trolls as well"
Trolls aren't a fucking fandom or a group of people, the trolls you speak of are newfags who try to troll and ultimately do nothing but say yiff in hell and fucking fail.
Don't try to connect groups of trolls to the furry fandom or god forbid Anonymous to furries because both are far far different than a fandom.
"Trolls aren't a fucking fandom or a group of people"
Funny they certainly SEEM like a group.
"the trolls you speak of are newfags who try to troll and ultimately do nothing but say yiff in hell and fucking fail."
Welcome to the exact position furries have been arguing. Do not group us with X, we are not them. I don't see why both sides aren't valid in this stance without bringing double standards into the mix.
I agree whole hardly to what you are saying about this video. I kept silent about being a furry for way too long due to all the nitpicking lobbed against the fandom. But one day I just said "What does it matter what haters and sketpics think?" I made the decision to enjoy anthropomorphic animals with other like minded people no matter what detractors think.
Yet you and many of these like minded people have forgone being yourself to being a furry. Deny it all you want; your actions speak more than your words. Many furries ignore being an individual, being themselves, etc and instead take up the furry pride bullshit that is one of the causes of all the trolling that the furry fandom receives.
"Yet you and many of these like minded people have forgone being yourself to being a furry..."
I don't believe that to be so for most. You insult the fandom as a whole I expect the fandom as a whole to react. Furthermore I don't think theblackhand2 (judging from his vids) fit that mold that you just made.
Now you already know my viewpoint on the stupidity that is "furry pride".
"Do all furries do what I say? No. BUT THEY ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AND THUS ARE AT FAULT FOR DOING SO."
As I've already said elsewhere, I'm of the position furries need to police themselves more.
"And bullshit the blackhand doesn't fit the mold considering he has gone the "wolfee is a furry you need to trust him" asinine bullshit."
Funny I haven't seen that. I've seen "he is not a leader" and "he has helped". Which is true enough. Show me where he says "he is furry..trust him" and I'll agree.
Constructive disagreements are always welcome. Being a matter of opinion neither side can be truly right or wrong. However I'd like you to be more specific than "I disagree.".
You make good points, though I'm one of those people who is still trying to figure out who I am. IF I posted rants or what have you here on Youtube, I'd post something similar.
Seana01 1 year ago
I don't know why I was expecting something a lot worse. Props man, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. This has been something I've advocated and demanded of myself, but I know I don't always follow through with it.
Keep on keeping on.
Splertiki 2 years ago
good vid. you are right everyone should be fine with themselves furry or not. i personaly do not care what ppl say to me. it is their opinion. if i say anything to trolls it is "you don't judge me and i won't judge you cause we all get judged in the end." so trolls i invite u to tell me to Yiff in Hell I DO NOT CARE.
67238 3 years ago
It looks like the jug of water in this video is plugged into the wall xD
Kriati 3 years ago
God damn I love how you say "butt hurt."
Yiff in hell furfag, lets have us a barbecue <3
Wurfless 3 years ago
I'm always up for barbeque's :).
Ralathar44 3 years ago
i agree good vid 5/5
thejking 3 years ago
Sage advice my friend, you're certainly a wiser individual than I, heh. I'll say, however, that personally, I'm still rather uncomfortable admitting things like being bi or being a fur, and though I wish I weren't I can't just force myself to be comfortable with it, y'know? Not that I'm in any way ashamed, it's more that I don't want people who know me to have to rewrite their image of me.
MoonlightWolf714 3 years ago
Part of being you is accepting and understanding the results of being you. I understand and let me address these concerns directly:
A. Kiss-ass at work. You don't have to be unlikable not to kiss ass. You could merely be fair and say what you honestly feel. It doesn't mean you need to be negative. Management can appreciate someone who calls things as they see them as long as they are not an asshole. In fact they appreciate having people who's opinion is genuine, who isn't shooting BS.
Ralathar44 3 years ago
As far as furry related and being mistreated and possibly discriminated against? Why do you think I am here making video's? Why do I go out in public occasionally with my "proud furry" shirt? I fully understand the risks. It's possible, though unlikely I could suffer numerous repercussions. Including job, friends, family, insults, and even possibly physical violence.
Yet I go out anyways. I will not be afraid of who I am and SOMEONE has to put their feet forwards and spread accurate info.
Ralathar44 3 years ago
The key is: Ya some of what I do is for me, but some of it isn't. The fandom needs brave and level headed individuals to go out and deal with the risks and show what the fandom is truly about. The reason cultures in the past, who have faced far worse discrimination, overcame these things is because they never gave up and there were always reasonable folks showing what the culture was as well as the wrongs against it. Using both words and action.
Ralathar44 3 years ago
As far as your friend? He is a liar, thief, cheat, etc? Yet he is successful. There are two possibilities here. Either A. His actions merely haven't caught up with him yet or B. He is one of the lucky exceptions that happen in life.
Ralathar44 3 years ago
As a final note. Even the most successful and intelligent of these people share 2 fatal flaws. 1: They get cocky and keep pursuing bigger and better until they try for something they shouldn't have. 2. No matter how careful they are, they leave loose ends of prior dirty deals laying around. As time passes, they continue to add to this pile of loose ends. Thus the chances that one of them bites them in the butt grows ever larger.
Ralathar44 3 years ago
Sorry for my slow-ass response.
Being yourself is nice and all. But I feel you are being naive and failing to take into consideration others view of yourself and the degree of change in there behavior due to there perceptions. If your natural self is something others find acceptable you are ok but if its not, then you need to learn how to change other people's perception of you in order to acquire the responses you want/need.
Reckanin 3 years ago
ok an example. I have had many coworkers who say things such as "I kiss no ones ass!". Most of them are 40+ and still working in entry level jobs. They complain when younger employees get promoted over them. I was reading a career article on the frontpage of yahoo that quoted a study saying "Most management would rather work with someone who is incompetent but likable than someone who does excellent work but is not likable." I have seen this in action. "Fake it till you make it"
Reckanin 3 years ago
Heres a few furry related ones. I saw a post on FA about a kid who is a young furry artist. His teacher discovered he was a fur, his teacher hates furs and now the kid is being mistreated because of his involvement with a fandom. I cannot remember the link but it was recent.
The furry fandom is treated like a fetish due to the "activities" of some of its members. This can lead to very bad things.
Reckanin 3 years ago
About three or so years ago time magazine had a special issue about human sexuality. In the back part was a political dilema the BDSM community was facing. Turns out if your boss finds out your secret they can FIRE you without repercusions. But it does not stop there even if you keep your activities in your bedroom, they can take your children away, it does not matter how good of a parent you are. If The furry fandom is PERCIEVED in the same way as the BDSM community the same things can happen.
Reckanin 3 years ago
Being yourself is a good idea but it sadly clashes with reality sometimes. You need to control how you are perceived, if you don't then depending who the real you is, you may end up struggling needlessly to get ahead. I have seen horrible people succeed effortlessly because the knew this. I have a friend who is a liar, a thief, a cheat, and honestly not too bright who always has the best stuff, hottest girls, and high paying jobs. Why because he makes himself appear to be what people want.
Reckanin 3 years ago
That friend and I used to argue on this subject a lot. I won the arguments but lost the war when he did everything he said he could.
The reason you feel shame is because you feel that others will not accept that part of you. That is shames purpose, to keep us from sharing that part with others. Shame protects us from social faux pas so we don't alienate ourselves from the social group. Seems even nature thinks "fake it till you make it."
This is merely my personal opinion taken from irl exp.
Reckanin 3 years ago
Amen to being yourself. I make all the gay jokes I want, as much as I am not gay, and enjoy it because I know I'm not gay. What everyone else thinks is irrelevant because I'm happy with being who I am.
KamuiUchiha86 3 years ago
"Agreed. I've noticed way too much groupthink out of the furries lately, especially from TheWetRabiit and others in wolfee's camp."
I will say that this is true of alot of furries, but I will also say that it is true of some/alot of trolls as well
Ralathar44 3 years ago
"but I will also say that it is true of some/alot of trolls as well"
Trolls aren't a fucking fandom or a group of people, the trolls you speak of are newfags who try to troll and ultimately do nothing but say yiff in hell and fucking fail.
Don't try to connect groups of trolls to the furry fandom or god forbid Anonymous to furries because both are far far different than a fandom.
SpectreDC 3 years ago
"Trolls aren't a fucking fandom or a group of people"
Funny they certainly SEEM like a group.
"the trolls you speak of are newfags who try to troll and ultimately do nothing but say yiff in hell and fucking fail."
Welcome to the exact position furries have been arguing. Do not group us with X, we are not them. I don't see why both sides aren't valid in this stance without bringing double standards into the mix.
Ralathar44 3 years ago
I agree whole hardly to what you are saying about this video. I kept silent about being a furry for way too long due to all the nitpicking lobbed against the fandom. But one day I just said "What does it matter what haters and sketpics think?" I made the decision to enjoy anthropomorphic animals with other like minded people no matter what detractors think.
theblackhand2 3 years ago
Yet you and many of these like minded people have forgone being yourself to being a furry. Deny it all you want; your actions speak more than your words. Many furries ignore being an individual, being themselves, etc and instead take up the furry pride bullshit that is one of the causes of all the trolling that the furry fandom receives.
SpectreDC 3 years ago
"Yet you and many of these like minded people have forgone being yourself to being a furry..."
I don't believe that to be so for most. You insult the fandom as a whole I expect the fandom as a whole to react. Furthermore I don't think theblackhand2 (judging from his vids) fit that mold that you just made.
Now you already know my viewpoint on the stupidity that is "furry pride".
Ralathar44 3 years ago
I insult the fandom as a whole because it's the problem of your fandom.
Do all furries do what I say? No. BUT THEY ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AND THUS ARE AT FAULT FOR DOING SO.
And bullshit the blackhand doesn't fit the mold considering he has gone the "wolfee is a furry you need to trust him" asinine bullshit.
SpectreDC 3 years ago
"Do all furries do what I say? No. BUT THEY ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AND THUS ARE AT FAULT FOR DOING SO."
As I've already said elsewhere, I'm of the position furries need to police themselves more.
"And bullshit the blackhand doesn't fit the mold considering he has gone the "wolfee is a furry you need to trust him" asinine bullshit."
Funny I haven't seen that. I've seen "he is not a leader" and "he has helped". Which is true enough. Show me where he says "he is furry..trust him" and I'll agree.
Ralathar44 3 years ago
He implied it in the "Wolfeedarkfang and the furry community" video of his
SpectreDC 3 years ago
"He implied it in the "Wolfeedarkfang and the furry community" video of his"
Implied is not said. Implied is you reading meanings into things that are said, how you read things is based alot on POV.
Ralathar44 3 years ago
I disagree
Reckanin 3 years ago
Constructive disagreements are always welcome. Being a matter of opinion neither side can be truly right or wrong. However I'd like you to be more specific than "I disagree.".
Ralathar44 3 years ago