Reverse OG Flares

[rmgwm]

I can do the normal ones now I think but the fast triplets are killing me :(

[rmgwm]

I must have those fast triplets in my arsenal but OMG its painful to unlearn 2 click orbits to get these.

[krazzyyo2]

watch?v=jTXS3fi_ciQ&feature=re­lated

better explained

[djjah714]

y=that shit is fuckin dope

[mysterymediacorp]

damn it ,I just cant get it !?!

[Devestato72]

good shit homie

[djdooban]

oh yeah your right, guess ive been doing these without knowing, i always thought they were forward reverse flares. but yeah i been putting these in with my chirps recently, go really well. soz man - u know what its like all this scratch business. wonder if u can get normal og flares to sound so funky

[Fablus22]

forward reverse flares :D word homie

[djdooban]

lol whoops

[djdooban]

ok so i thought i had got em down at fast speed coz they sounded like yours but then realised i was actually doing fast normal orig flares... u defo got em right or have i just not picked up on something?

[johnny1move]

I've showed a couple of people this pattern lately and they've come back doing the same thing so yes, I'm sure I'm describing it right.

Also, I'm not very good at og flares, I always found revers OG more natural, so I'm sure it's one sound forward, two back with a click in the back.

A chirp with an extra click in the backstroke if you will....

[djdooban]

nice jonny, looks like youve confused everyone with the old triplets thing haha. i always thought reverse og flares were more difficult than this, i tend to do this pattern when im just transforming - that mean im doing something wrong? sounds the same so i guess not. cant quite get your fastest triplet timing tho, gonna practise

[omgzpancakes]

For the Triplet timing would you have to cut the sound of the forward early and let the record play with some silence? The reason im saying this is because if the sounds are both 3 equal pieces, and the reverse flare cuts it into two pieces on the way back. So the only way I can see it possible to get three equal notes of the same length is to have the backward record motion twice as long as the forward movement?

[omgzpancakes]

Example if the forward and backward length are the same length then this would happen with a 1 click flare on the way back

|| represents a 1 click flare

Forward movement

|--------------|

Backward Movement

|------||------|

If you use this record movement you will always have "normal timing" since the backward movement will always be half of the forward movement.

[omgzpancakes]

For triplet timing if the backward movement is twice the length of the forward movement than you can have 3 equal pieces of notes in 1 beat, or bar etc.

Forward Movement

|------------|

Backward Movement

|------------||------------|

Now You can see by the diagram you will have 3 equal length notes. Is this correct or not I am not sure but this seems like the most logical way to look at it?

[johnny1move]

I meant length in terms of time!.

To be clear, in triplet timing the duration in milliseconds is the same for each stroke.

For triplet timing the forward stroke is faster so that you can get three strokes of equal duration. That's one reason it sounds funky ;)

[scratchaholic82]

I don't get it. I can do it normally and do it fast and clean, but I just don't understand the triplet. Only thing I could see different is the record hand moving alot faster doing triplets. No matter what, I can't get that sound. Is everything as far as fader movement and record movement the same for both except for timing? Are the fader open and close points the same with the record forward and back for both? Please help. Thanks

[johnny1move]

It is purely timing that is different, technique is identical.

In normal timing the forward sound is as long as the two backwards sounds added together.

In triplet timing each of the same sounds is the same length but the total time for one flare (all 3 sounds) is same as normal timing.

If you say that the forwards sound in the normal timing is 1 unit long then the timings are as follows:

[johnny1move]

Normal - Forwards 1, backwards 1/2, backwards 1/2 (Total = 2)

Triplet - Forwards 2/3, backwards 2/3, backwards 2/3 (Total = 2)

"Triplet" in music terminology usually means 2 sounds in the time of 3. Once you get the feel of triplets you can apply it to most scratches and it really ups the funk level.

[bwizzy]

big up mate, good vid

[JohnnyTrotz]

---dope!!!--

[73fso]

Nice combos, but i dont understand "Triplet" thiming... help me please! From chile.

[johnny1move]

IT's a musical term meaning 3 equally length sounds in the time of 2. I'm using it a bit vaguely hence the ""

"Normal timing"

1---2---3---4---

f-bbf-bbf-bbf-bb

each forward sound lasts for half a beat , each backwards sound is a quarter beat

"Triplet timing"

1--2--3--4--

FBBFBBFBBFBB

Each sound lasts for one third of a beat

[Jelemare]

Nice!