is admi ko kuch sharam nahi ati ahy jo mu may ata hay bakay jata hay.ume kulsoom rishtay may omer ki nawasi hoti theen.koi admi upnee 5 sal ki nawasi say shadi karay to hum usay kaya kahayngay harami. yeh to khud omer ko harami sabit karnay par tula hua hay.
Lets not get entangled into the family matters of Muslim followers to establish a common platform of Islam. Stick to the sahadah i.e No god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. That is the common platform and don't corrupt that platform by claiming Ali Waliallah or the beleiving that Ali should be rasulallah , or god or other nonsenses.
This is an open challenge for the Shia to give Quranic verses which outline and justify the Shia concept of Imamah. Can the Shia produce even a single verse outlining Imamah, without any additions to the translation, without parenthetical insertions to the translation, without Hadith to “support” their interpretation, without Tafseer, and without their own personal commentaries leading us from verse to verse?
@mohasaeed yes brother im a sunni and ur right everyone should study his own books first,there is alot of things that dont make sense in sunni haddith but also in shia haddith i have studied and admit the truth but you also need to admit the truth and then maybe we can come to a common platform.inshallah
'Umar b. al-Khattab came to the house of Ali. Talhah, al-Zubayr, and some of the Muhajirun were also in the house with 'Ali. Umar cried out, “By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance [to Abu Bakr], or I will set the house on fire."
"I will not leave anything Allah's Apostle used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to 'Ali and 'Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Apostle used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs.
Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Apostle.
She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Apostle which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said
After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)."
Yes we have a problem with this stupid suggestion how can u compare sahaba with ahle bait, there is no comparision and we respect all sahaba except those who usurped the right s of ahlebait, who gave pain to the daughter of the prophet after he died, who ran to grasp the caliphate leaving the body of the prophet, GO And read your own books AND SEE WHO IS RIGHT.
wahabis are the sons of Yazid and may they rot in hell with their perverted ideology, the people who destroyed the grave of the daughter of the prophet and who have devastated mecca and medina
why is scoped out on this page if he doesn't like it he should just leave there is no compulsion to be here nor is there anyone forcing him.....some people are always looking to wind others up....
OMAR SAID:to ALI (AS) and,IBN ABBAS(AS);He said: When the Messenger of Allah (PBU) passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (PBU)." Both of you ,thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest.
When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (PBU) and Abu Bakr , you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest.
S.B 62;157---Fatima is a part of my body, and I hate what she hates to see, and what hurts her, hurts me."
S.B 59;368 368 - Narrated 'Aisha: Fatima and Al'Abbas came to Abu Bakr, claiming their inheritance of the Prophet's land of Fadak and his share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said, "I heard the Prophet saying, 'Our property is not inherited, and whatever we leave is to be given in charity.
DID ,RASULALLAH(SAWA) , NOT TELL, his own Daughter About this ?
. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is
Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership
Narrated Al-Musaiyab: I met Al-Bara bin 'Azib and said (to him). "May you live prosperously! You enjoyed the company of the Prophet and gave him the Pledge of allegiance (of Al-Hudaibiya) under the Tree." On that, Al-Bara' said, "O my nephew! You do not know what we have done after him (i.e. his death)."
HE MEANS, YOU DONT KNOW HOW MANY BEDAAH HAVE THEY PLACED IN ISLAM.
468-Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar bin Al-Khatttab, the Prophet said, "Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said, "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Quran, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us."
Any one who Disobey Rasulallah(SA) , Is not MUSLIM.
5903 - Ibn Umar reported Umar as saying: My lord concorded with (my judgments) on three occasions. In case of the Station of Ibrahim, in case of the observance of veil and in case of the prisoners of Badr.
I am a Shia , And I have NO DOUBT ,that Abu bakir and Umar,and Uthman Were KAFIR AL MOTALQ .
Quran 9;101-101-And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are hypocrites, and among the townspeople of Al-Madinah (there are some who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not. We, We know them, and We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom. (101)
It's funny when shias curse Ayisha and call her all kinds of names, then they go ahead and refer to her hadiths with no hesitation whatsoever. The TOP of IRONY!
@Biankoneri I completely disagree with the cursing, and name calling, however she wasn't exactly what I would like to refer to as my role model. The prophet said to Ali and Fatima and Hasan And Husein : I'm in war with whom you're in war and I am in peace with whom you're in peace . [Sunan al Tirmithi - 3805] (SUNNI HADITH). Aishah waged war against Imam Ali (a.s) in the Battle of Jamal.
@FJVHR You disagree with your scholars on the cursing, but you are still taqiyya-crazed. I checked up your reference and I found that you are a liar. The text of that hadith is: Follow those after me, among my companions, Abu Bakr and Umar. And be guided through the guidance of Ammar, and stick to the advice of Ibn Masud. I used to be curious about shia islam, and contemplated it, but this only makes me steadfast in my belief that shiaism is a cult of shaitan!
@Biankoneri Excuse me. I found that hadith of a SUNNI website, using a SUNNI source. I have better things to do thanfabricate hadith. If you want fabrications, please do visit abubakr. org/fabintro.php
I don't have time to be sitting here listening to your insults. Here's a lovely hadith for you to sit and mope over, because your accusations mean nothing to me. Do you even know what taqiyyah is? It's the act of hiding your belief in times it is necessary. I am not hiding. I am Shia and PROUD.
also in the hadith it states that when the Prophet goes to shake or hold the sahabas hand (paraphrasing) Allah pulled it back and said you do not know when you are gone they will add new things in the religion ...
brother you just forgot one thing what the quran has said wich is the real truth. these are facts all muslims will conquer and we all are right. wich is ironicly wrong because why the sunni beleive right but they do not beleive in everything the prophet said wich is wrong. and the shia is right but in the history there are somethings changed to. the real way is shia but you must not take everything serious. the shia who says khulafa are kafir are it them selfs.and who doesnt belive ahlul bait
In the Nahjul Balagha, one of the most revered books of the Shia, Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said in Sermon 126:
(I) With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness (Shias), and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness (Kharjis). The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course (Sunnis) . So be with him and be with the great majority of
(ii) Muslims because Allahs hand of protection is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is a prey to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is a prey to the wolf. Beware! Whoever calls to this course [of sectarianism], kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine.
HOW BEAUTIFULLY AND WISELY ALI HAS DEFINED SUNNIS (FOLLOWERS OF MAINSTREAM ISLAM) , SHIAS AND KHARJIS. REALLY ALI WAS A GATE OF CITY OF KNOWLEDGE.
Im wondering how can one say that when the infallible sunni book (!!!!) Sahih Bukhari mentiones that omar has called the Prophet(pbuhf) as sick and delirious???
It is funny when a sunni tries to convince a Shia by sunni references ??!!! All Shia sources reject that Ali(as) married his doughters to the 1st and 2nd khalifas
Not only Shiites, but also the Sunni books confirm this (all references available if requested)
can you please email me sunni refereneces that reject the notion of Umar marrying Umm Kulthoom Bint Ali. As far as I know there is a dispute amongst shia scholars whether this actually happened. Some say it did happen whilst others say it didn't. But the scholars who say the marriage took place do infact say that Umar forced Imam Ali to give him his daughter. But I'm not sure if there are sunni sources that reject this notion. Wasalam.
1) The dominant majority of the Shia Scholars reject the myth of Ali(as) marrying his daughter to Umar. As long as the "Maraje" are conserned there is a unanimous opinion over rejecting this issue
2) Ali(as) NEVER EVER gave up to pressures. Be it a marriage, or the Khelafa or... Ali(as) always did what was the best for Islam. Accusing Ali(as) of giving up to Umar pressure is just an effort to down grade his position and personality
another question i pose is how can u hate the wives of the habib allah muhammed(SAW) when allah calls them all the mothers of the believers, and also declared them as ahl bayt in the quran. plz reply it really baffles me.
Thanks for your valid question: Although as you can read, i am extremely busy preparing a research for a dear brother but to give you a brief idea of the shiites belief please note the following:
1)You mentined the Shiites hate the wives of the Abdullah (pbuhf)!! Clearly this is not the case for Shia (except the ignorant and arrogant ones which cold be find in any religion or denomination). As a matter of fact the Shiite respect the wives of the Prophet (pbuhf)
surely the Shiites consider them as Ommol Moumenin metaphorically and definitely not litteraly.
2)Allah(swt) word (Quran) is a book of principles. It is not a history book nor a story book or even not an academic one. It discusses the principles and its promisses and invitations are valid as long as the grounds and the considered subject is valid. For instant: Allah(swt) has warned his Messenger(pbuhf) in Quran in many occassions that if he were to do such and such mistake, Allah(swt) would...
punish him a sever punishment. yet we see that the Prophet(pbuhf) as never included in such cases. In the other hand Allah(swt) have promissed differet tribes of good fortune but sine they changed their path and insisted on their wrong, God(swt) made BEDAA and void his promiss (e.g. the Bani Israel...)In regards to the wives of the Prophet(pbuhf) God(swt) has instructed them to keep a special attitude and for example stay at their homes and to specilly cover themselves...
as mentioned when the quality and condition of something changes so does automatically the promis of God (the world we leave in is a world of CAUSE and EFFECT surrounded by the FREE WILL, and God would never ever force his good or bad to anyone except by a free will)
Having said all these, the Shia tend to analyze verything, even the footstep of the Prophet(pbuhf) to inshaallah benefit from it. While this analyze we realize that there are serious historical conradictins
now bout the 12imams if u think its a pillar to believe in them why isnt it mentioned in the quran like the pillars sunnis believe in. asalam alaykum brother i hope i did not offend it was not my intention
My dear Brother, i thought your question was about the wives only and now i see tha in every single lne you question a subject which is worth books and articles.
I hope we wont critisize to fullfil our EGO rather to increase our knowledge to guide ro to be guided...
to simply clarify a matter pls let me note something: According to Shia the Pillars and the foundation of Islam are 3 (Touhid, Prophecy of Mohammad(pbuhf) and Maad (Judgement day))
there are two other items know as (Adl (justice) and Imama) which are the foundations of Madhhab (Shia denomination).
Who ever elieves in the first 3 is cosidered as a muslim and whoeer believes in the other 2, is a Shia...This is a simple yet general believe in Islam...I hope the word in the street wont be our measure so we wont be misguided
And no, you didnt offend me at all, and i also thank you again for raisin valid questions. yet again this world is for us to apply our FREE WILL
but shia and sunni were never there with the prophet(saw) allah said in the quran today i have perfected my favour and chosen ISLAM as your religon.
where does the other 2 pillars that makes u shia fit in that. i believe there are 5 pillars. 1 god mohammed his prophet the 2quran 3hajj 4zakkat 5salah they are mentioned in the quran
Yes again you are right, WE were not available by 1430 years ago. And this is exactly why we have to study the people who narrted from the messenger of Allah(pbuhf) to see which one is trustworthy and which is not.
Regarding the verse "Al Youm Akmalto Lakom Dinokom..." The Shia believe this verse was revelaed on the location of Qadir Khom during the "Hajatol Weda" where the Prophet(pbuhf) introcuced Ali(as) as his successor
Regarding the word Pillar or Foundation or..it is just a game of words
All Shia unanimosly believe in Touhid, in Mohammad(pbuhf) to be his messenger, that Quran we have today is the ever lasting most complete word of Allah(swt), Haj is cmpulsary, Zakkat and Saddaqa and Khomos must be paid and Salah mst be performed. Only the classification is different.
If you dont mind let me give you an example.
In Shia the 3 Osool Din (i.e. Touhid, Prophecy, Qiamah) must be researched by every individual, and to be acceted based on research and knowledge
Noboy can claim i believ in the unity of Allah(swt) because my father said so. This is just stupid. Also theother articles of the Ossol Din. Yet the other facts you mentioned (e.g. Salah, Zakat, Hajj...) are considered as "Foroo al Din" "Peripheral of Din" the difference is that the pripherials cold not be questioned. (e.g. why does the morning rayer has 2 rakaat only?) why mustwe perform Hajj in such particular habit? simply it is not that much of a research related rather historically
the wives of the prophet(saw) i believe there should be no argument cause allah(swt) tolds what to believe about them. do u believe if i dnt believe in the 12imams im not a shia?
when i mentioned the artice of Imama it is basically the concept of Imama and not the 12th imam out of the whole context.
As said:According to the Shia whoever believes in "Touhid of Allah" "Nabbowa of Mohammad" and "Qiama" is a muslim whether a good one or a bad one Allaho Aalam, and who ever also further believes in "Adl" and "Imama" is a Shia Muslim. These are called the "Osool Din" "Foundation of Religion" and "Ossol Madhhab" "Foundation of Denomination"
For example, we come to see that Allah(swt) warns two ofthe wives of the Prophet(pbuhf) in Quran and threatens them to correct their actions(!!!) As an interested person i would like to compare the word "Omol Moumenin" with God 's threat!!
From another hand: Since Quran as said before, is the source of the Principals and not an academic book (this is one of the best advantages of Quran which makes it possible for Quran to be eternaly valid) we are in need of the Ahadeeth and Sunnah to
how can ur scholors teach that the mehdi will ressurect abu bakr(rra) n omar(ra) and punish them, is this not teaching hate to people that intermarried with ahl bayt and the prophets daughters.and also attributing god like attributes to him. Brother i like to relate everything to the quran thats why i love his wives daughters and companions. When is always literal when it comes to things like that bout the wives of the prophet. Especially how allah knew the situation we r in 2day
be ale to interprete and understand it. To filter the authentic narrations from the fabricated ones we need to study the life of those who narrated or related a word or deed to his excellency the Prophet(pbuhf). When we come to the authentic ahadith where Omol Moumenin Aisha confronts the Amiral Moumenin we see a vivid contradiction in action. How is this possible that Omol Moumenin fights a war with Amiral Moumenin, over 40,000 of the early muslims get killed and yet
and yet both Ali and Aisha to be considered as PERFECT???
There are numerous ahadith even from the sunni sources confirming such events.
3)Regarding the wives of the Prophet(pbuhf) to be included in the definition of Ahl Beit or not, i refer you to the sunni infallible books of Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari were this idea is clearly rejected. Also logically and gramatically when Ahlal Beit are conserned the pronouns in the verse change to a masculine form and not feminine anymore
i dnt believe any1 is perfect except allah. AISHA(ra) maybe did fight ali(ra) and god knows best but ali(ra) fought her and allah knows best. What happened between them is for allah to judge im sure u know 2 families fued or muslims that fued today who do u say go to hell or who we to judge. I love em both for the sake off the creater
In regards to the fight, you are right we are not able to see othe rhumans intentions and aims and hence not only we are notable to judge people but we must prevent such abit as well. Yet, if something proves to be correct and authentic, logically we must learn a lesson from it. For example in the mentioned fight we MUST analze the causes and effects, the events and the aftermath...neglecting this and claiming it has happened in the past and it is not our business to study it is just not right
Our actions are the manifestations of our believes unless one is a hypocrite. So when those two people fight each other in fact its a war of two thoughts and phylosophies, and since in each war the possibilities are: 1)Right vs Wrong or 2) Wrong vs Wrong, so we hav to analyze the causes to find out as much as possible. Believe me brother the loss of more than 100,000 muslims in the young age of islam (in the fights of NAMAL and NAHRAWAN) is not a small issue.
it was only an example we are not god to judge. brother we dont take sides we follow the sunnah of muhammed(saw) and the teachings of all our caliphites especially our fourth and final one ali(ra). Ask yourself this who knew more bout the way of the prophet(saw) other than his wives and companions including all ahl bayt who god announced are in the quran.
As you can guess each of these items should be studied in depth and for each of them there are MANY sources all confirming that the story is nothing more but a fabricated myth.
Since a 500 word limit comment is not the right place to mention all these, please inform which item is more interesting to you, or give me some time to prepare a seperate paper and send it to you.
If you don't mind brother can you please prepare a separate paper for me. I do wish to know more about this subject, all I've heard is the Sunni side of things, not much the Shia side. Wasalam.
Again i repeat that in all clearness of this issue, it is a very diverse subject and hence i need a little bit of time to prepare the paper. Inshaallah will finish it fast.
In order to carry out your instruction, i have spent the last two days preparing the research. As you can guess the field of hadith and authenticity of the narrations is quite boring and needs a lot of patience and time.
From the previously mentioned 9 items, only 2 are covered, and will continue to complete it inshaallah.
Please inform me your e-mail so i can send you whatever is ready by now.
but brother the quran is a guide to all man kind till the day of judgment, allah wouldnt decieve us he clearly states that he is its gaurdian hence can never be played with as shia believe. We all have to relate things back to the quran and with all due respect shia beliefe teaches to hate aishia(ra) the wife of the prophet(saw). Go read all shia books.
You made up their statements... you have many mistakes, so long as you are not rafida it is just bid'a and a sect, but if if you are then qul la ilaha ill Allaah and learn the aqeeda of Islaam.
We don't need your help thank you, everything we need to know, we have. And yes, there is a problem loving both the "Sahaba" and the Ahlul Bayt (as). You're either one way or the other. The AhlulBayt (as) were OPPRESSED by the Sahaba, how can we love those very people who caused the Prophet's family pain?!
Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O People of the House (Ahlul'bayt)! and to purify you a thorough purification." (33:33)
Yh, i am not teaching here, nor am i helping anyone. i am trying to make it clear for those who dont know about islam, therefore they listen to any1 and curse and attack, and believe in a system which has got nothing to do with islam. Sahaba oppressed the Ahlul bait ? lol where do u get this ? from huh ? proof plz, and yh the ayah is against u, read the the ayah 33:32 to understand who Allah swt is refering. its refering to Mothers of believers which u curse and attack
what peace? huh, how can we have peace when u follow some parts of the Quran and leave the other parts and play games with the rest. we MUSLIMS are in nooo neeed of a peace with people, who curse the wives of our prophet, who curse the companions of our prophet, those who add into this deen, those who have a different aqeedah then this deen, and beleive in fairy tale storries.
'A'isha reported that Muhammad went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped him under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)
yes that hadith is refering to Ahlel Kisa, the family of Ali ra, what is ur point lol, go ahead and past the other hadiths, which Muhammad saw clearly states which other families are his family? u forgot a lot of other families which Muhammad saw considered them as his family>
@AbuAbdullah11 uhh ok what you are doing twisting peopl's words lol....ahh more people trying to cause divisions and hatred because they themselves are confused and brainwashed lol...surely we are his family in that sense (pbuh) but when he died (pbuh) he left 2 things for us the Qur'an and the Ahlul-Bayt who he said will not go away from the true faith (i am paraphrasing) and we should look to them for guidance
@FJVHR That hadith is a good reason to respect and honor Ayisha (ra), dont you think? Because shias can't have both. EIther Ayisha was untrustworthy and this hadith is also not reliable OR Ayisha was honorable and true and her hadiths were sahih.
@Biankoneri The only reason I used that hadith, was because it is from Sahih Muslim, a book which Sunni brothers and sisters find highly authentic. I did this in order to make my argument valid, as there is no way you people would have accepted a Shia hadith. It in no way has anything to do with my personal opinion. And we're not crazy people. We refrain from disrespecting her, but there are numerous hadiths in your own books in which she irritated, and disrespected the Prophet (pbuh).
@FJVHR You are a classic example of how shias use taqiyya to defend and/or fool muslims. You deny it is a rewardful deed to curse the sahabas and you refer to false and fabricated hadith with an extensive use of taqiyya whenever you want. Muslims see through your falsehood, it's useless because all your tricks have been exposed.
@Biankoneri So please, tell me, are all those Sunni references for "Glad tidings O Ali! Verily you and your shia will be in paradise" made up too? Oh, please. Open your eyes, wake up, and see the truth which is in your own books. The Ahlulbayt (a.s) gave their lives to save the religion of Islam. Why aren't they ever mentioned in your books? They are the rope of guidance referred to in the Quran, without them you are lost. So please, stop insulting, get a grip, and do some valid research.
@FJVHR So please tell me, what is the reference for that hadith? There is no hadith with those words at all in sunni books. The sahaba gave their lives for islam also. ALL hadith are reported by people the shias curse. Quran was memorized by sahaba that shias curse. Islam is given to us from generation to generation thanks to the effort of the sahaba. So please do some research yourself.
@Biankoneri Right. The same sahaba that killed the daughter of your Prophet (pbuh), and her unborn foetus? The same Abu Bakr that Lady Fatimah (sa) didnt forgive, and died that way? The same ones that took Her inheritance rights? The same ones that forced Imam Ali (a.s) to pay allegiance to them, even despite the fact the Prophet (pbuh) nominated Imam Ali (a.s) as his successor at Ghadeer e khum? The same Aisha who initiated war against Imam Ali (a.s) and harassed your Holy Prophet (pbuh)?
@Biankoneri You're crazy for justifying all of that. Your own books narrate EVERYTHING I just mentioned. I'm done discussing with you, you have no facts, and are throwing accusations at me. God guide us all Inshallah.
@FJVHR The problem is that shias have a long history and tradition of emphasizing and/or fabricating hadiths. Simply because they have nothing that supports their claims. And ironically, whey they refer to sahih hadiths, it is narrated by Aisha (ra) and the companions they hate and curse :)
@Biankoneri LOL you know, I've just looked at your Youtube Channel. Mashallah brother, it seems as if you have nothing better in your life than to hate on Shias.
@FJVHR Oh, congrats. It was about time you checked out my channel. I am only doing this effort out of love for Allah, the prophet saw, Ali, Hussain, Fatima and the rest of Ahl Albayt.
@Biankoneri Oh, you're taught to dedicate your life on hating other people, are you? Wow, what religion do you follow, again? And you're proud of your hatred. You people just amaze me. And excuse me, but how can you love Lady Fatimah (s.a), as well as the people who killed her, and her unborn foetus? Yes, that would be Abu Bakr and Umar. And the people who took away her inheritance rights? Yes, that would be Abu Bakr and Umar again.
@FJVHR I have a simple answer to your questions. I don't hate, but I work against those who try to corrupt my religion. Also it is the shia who teach their children to hate sunnis and the companions. I love Fatima (ra) because I love all the prophet's family, and I don't believe in the lies that shias produce against any of the companions. You expose yourself when you accuse both Abu Bakr AND Omar of the same things, when ACCORDING TO SHIA VIEW it was Abu Bakr who was guilty of these accusations
@Biankoneri Look, I have a simple question to ask you. When in all your sunni books it states that Umar burnt the door of Lady Fatimah (s.a), knowing that she was behind it, how do you justify? When in your sunni books it says Abu Bakr took the land of Fadak from Lady Fatimah (s.a), and she refused to talk to him until the day she died, how do you justify it? We love the family of the Prophet (pbuh) too, as well as his close, and true companions.
@Biankoneri How can they be lies, when it is narrated in your own books? In the same way that you wish to "work against those who try to corrupt your religion", so do we. We will not praise those who harmed the Prophet (pbuh)'s family, and unfortunately those "Sahaba" that you praise did exactly that. We are not taught to hate anyone, though we are taught to denounce those hypocrites in Islam.
No. 2883 - Narrated 'Aisha: (mother of the believers) After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him.
@Biankoneri Abu Bakr said to her "Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died
@Biankoneri This hadith is from Sahih al Bukhari, is it not? And it clearly says Lady Fatimah (s.a) was angry with Abu Bakr, does it not? So how can you praise Abu Bakr, when he angered the daughter, and the highest lady in all the worlds, from whom the Prophet (pbuh) said: "Whoever angers Fatimah, angers me, and whoever angers me, angers Allah (swt)". How can you justify loving both these people, when abu bakr clearly wronged the Pure lady (s.a)?
@FJVHR What hadith are you talking about? Abu Bakr did not anger Fatima (ra). This is a great misinformation cause by the shia. And if you refer to sahih Bukhari and other muslim hadith, then why don't you believe in the rest of the hadith which are also sahih from the same sources? You hold in high regard the hadith of the cloak despite it being narrated by your enemy Aiysha. Yes, shias have curious methods of argumentation indeed! We have the Quran complete and the sunna, you have nothing.
@Biankoneri Oh God. Below, I have pasted a hadith narrated from Aisha in SAHIH BUKHARI, saying Abu Bakr angered Lady Fatimah (s.a). If I used Shia SAHIH hadith, you would not believe me, right? Because you would say Shias have made it all up, and are lying, and misguided, or whatever else comes out of your mouth. This is the reason I used UR sunni hadiths to prove the same point: Abu Bakr angered Lady Fatimah. If this is narrated in both shia and sunni sources - it means it is undoubtedly true.
@FJVHR And if I quote a SAHIH hadith from sunni sources saying that shias are not muslims, would you believe it? Ofcourse not? Infact you don't believe in any sunni hadith unless it directly supports shiaism. That's called hypocricy. Also, shias only quote the first part of the hadith and not the rest where it says that Abu Bakr and Fatima infact were not enemies in the end. Get over it, Abu Bakr was and has always been the first khalif of muslims. Stop beating yourself bloody over it.
@Biankoneri I'd appreciate it if you stopped making things up, and quoted the "rest of that hadith" as i got it from the website Sahih bukhari, and it certainly did NOT say they weren't enemies in the end, so stop lying. And no, I wouldn't believe you, as NO WHERE in sunni sources does it say Shias are not muslims, it's something these idiotic wahabbis have spread about.And, please provide me sources which say "four rightly guided caliphs" were chosen by the Prophet (pbuh)? You're all talk.
@FJVHR Since you put your trust in the hadiths of Imam Bukhari. Here is a direct quote and fatwa of Imam Bukhari himself: I dont see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten. (Khalq Afaalul-Ibaad, p.14)
@Biankoneri Um, nope. I don't trust Bukhari at all actually, YOU do. He wasn't even around at the time of the Prophet (pbuh), so who is He to be trusted eh? And yes, you carry on your petty life full of Shia hatred, just like Bukhari taught you to be like. Mashallah, you set off such a brilliant image about your scholars - they taught you to hate other people! The Prophet (pbuh) was never unkind to even his enemies, so I really have no idea what Sunnah you follow - Sunnah e Imam Bukhari?
@FJVHR That means you don't believe in the hadith of the cloak then. Or the hadith accusing Abu Bakr of wrongdoing against Fatima. Now finally you are waking up and discovering that muslims have always been aware of the rafidhi shia. Even since it's establishment after the death of the Prophet (saw).
@Biankoneri Erm no.Don't flatter yourself. We have our own hadith, our own evidence, and the fact that our evidence is even in Bukhari, and other Sunni books that are considered "sahih" means that yes, the hadith of the cloak is true, the hadith of accusations against Abu bakr are also true - they are in our hadith books as well as yours. And since they are in your books - you should believe it too :)Stop being such a wimp and avoiding the evidence I have proven to you, & stop lying to yourself.
@Biankoneri And you are such a hypocrite. This whole debate you say shias are the ones that hate - whereas you can't write a single reply without practically cursing shias. You say we pick and choose hadith - You haven't provided me with a single hadith, and neither have you backed up your accusations. You choose to ignore the hadiths in YOUR own books about Abu Bakr hurting Lady Fatimah (a.s), and then you claim to love both the "Sahaba" who hurt the ahlulbayt and the ahlulbayt at the same time
@FJVHR Tell me where I have cursed anyone in this debate? My question to you is simple; why do you rely on Bukhari hadiths when he himself said shias are not muslims, and when thousands of the Bukhari hadiths are narrated from people who are not trustworthy according to shias? You haven't provided any evidence for your silly claims. Why did Ali name his sons Abu Bakr and Omar? Why didn't Ali fight for his right to be Khalif is he was so brave? Find the answers and then ponder over it.
@Biankoneri I'm sure you're aware, the term "Rafidhi" is not a pleasant term. And are you unaware that we shias have our own hadith books?! we have our own hadith books such as usool e kafi, which also state all the crimes of the so called "Caliphs", if you want me to provide evidence, I shall. Let me say this again. The only reason I narrated Bukharis hadith was to prove to YOU, because YOU are the one that believes him and trusts the narrators, not me.
@Biankoneri And yes, I have provided evidence. Bukhari's hadith about Abu Bakr hurting Lady Fatimah (sa) IS evidence for you. There's plenty more evidence, but thats just the basic - If you want more, I'll give you more. You believe it's sahih hadith, so if a sahih hadith of yours narrates Abu Bakr hurt Lady Fatimah (sa), you should undoubtedly believe it without further questioning. And how about we go right back to the beginning.
@Biankoneri Why did Abu Bakr and Umar meet at Saqifa, when the Prophet (pbuh) hadn't even been buried to decide who the Caliph was going to be? When someone dies, don't you sit and mourn for the person? So why were they deciding over who gets the power? Why was Umar the first person on the day of Ghadeer to congratulate Imam Ali (a.s) on his appointment by the Prophet (pbuh) as the next successor?
@Biankoneri And the reason Imam Ali (a.s) named his sons Abu Bakr and Umar is for the sake of peace and unity between the divide of "Shias" and "Sunnis". Are you really questioning how brave Imam Ali (a.s) was? That is not something exclusive to the Shia belief. In the battle of Uhud, when Abu Bakr and Umar had fled, as well as every other person, and left the Prophet (pbuh) on the battlefield, It was Imam Ali (a.s) who stayed and thought.
@Biankoneri Or lets go back to the very beginning? Islam is a message that started from the time of Prophet Abraham (a.s). How come, with every Prophet there was sent down - Moses, Jesus, David - they all had successors divinely appointed? Moses had haroon, Jesus had simon, David had Solomon - they were all chosen by Allah (swt). Why would Allah (swt) leave his LAST ummah with the completed message, to democracy, and leave them to choose their own leader? Did Islam die with our Prophet (pbuh)?
@FJVHR I know all the tricks you shias use to fool muslims. You rely on taqiyya and deceit, that's all you got. Now goodbye and go pollute some other video with your taqiyya and lies.
@FJVHR Why are you referencing hadith reported by Aisha? She is not reliable and cursed according to shias. So this hadith cannot be true according to your cult.
do u even pay attention ot Quran do u even read, what Allah swt says about the sahabah? huh do u even accept the Quran ? the Quran is very clear about the sahaba, the ahlul bait of muhammad saw, were the closest to the khulafa ar rashideen which u attack, the history is against ur sabaiyeen belief brought by Abdullah ibn saba. no matter what, u can not impose abdullah saba's system as islam. u wan to follow islam > its Quran and Muhammad saw sunnah khalas
What do you mean do you even accept the Quran?! Would I be muslim otherwise?!
wth Who is Abdullah ibn Saba? Why are you telling ME what I believe?!
The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said: "I leave among you two weighty things: the Book of Allah and my PROGENY. If you keep yourselves attached to these two, never, never will you go astray. These two will never be separated from each other until they meet me at the Fountain of Kauthar."
Therefore, you want to follow Islam? -> the path of the AHLULBAYT.
lol who are ahlul bait, the defination fo ur ahlul bait is not found in Quran or the sunnah of muhammad saw. yes we agree with the hadith about Quran and ahlul bait not PROGENY lol changing hadith now huh? and the hadith about Quran and sunnah, both exactly similar in meaning, the sunnah is from muhammad saw > ahlul bait only would narrate from what they saw mUhmmad saw doing or said or did etc. therfore easily one can accept the both hadith, but ahlul bait includes those i mentioned THEN FOLLOW
This is lie, Imam Ali daughter was never married to omar. omar had five wifes with same names , she was not married to him her husband was Aun bin Jafar who was son of imam Ali brother..
sayed113, i know its very hard for shias who attack omar radhi Allahu an day and night to believe it, so u can come here and give all sorts of stories in order to disproof something which has been proven in history. so far i have seen more then 50 different say say noo Omar ra never married um kalthum, BUT guess what, no evidence, rather the shia books confirms that she did get married to Omar. lol
first of all, calm down, and sort out ur langauge. we are talking about islam here. the slander against the sahabah u only, harming urself, becuase on yamul qiyamah, Allah and his messanger would deal with u, against ur words towrds the companion of our prophet WHICH ALLAH PRAISED IN QURAN and muhammad saw loved him. who said she Got married to uthman, she married to Omar ra. the proof here we go, from ur own book, the must athentic Al kafi there are more but this should be enough >>>
Hello sunni brothers.. that um-e-kalossm is daughter of abu bkar, and after death of abu bakar imam Ali took both (son Mommad and daughter Kalsoom) to his home and imam Ali look after both of them before that um-e-kalsoom was married with umer. and not the daughter of Ali. go and read your all histroical books. you can read. open ur eyes, um-e-kalsoom the reall daughter of Ali was wife of jaffet tayar. ok so go and read again. umer was killer of Fatima so how can you say that rubbish,.........
yh where di u get this, is this what khomeini teached u, if so let me tell u, he did TAQIYA, he was good at it. i mean all of them are good at it. GIVEEE me refernce. if u want proof form ur books give me pm to show u how ignorant of ur religion u r
i guess u dont know ur books or ur religion do u, go read ur books then come here try to debate us. its in ur books which says she was the only vigina we gave away. lol this how described in ur book if u want refernces give me a pm
Let me tell u my ignorant and foolish friend what ur problem is.
There was a woman called Kulsoom who was marred to Omar but this was not Umm Kulsoom who was married to Jaafer e Tayyar. The first Kulsoom was indeed married to Omar (sbuh) but this womans history is totally different. I challenge you to read carefully on this point and ten come back and apologise in shame.
You are a choot who has little knowledge and a munaafiq mind.
You are a disgrace who misguides innocent ppl. Laanat on u!
Please DO NOT believe a word what the Shi'a say. Do not touch their books. BUT please DO believe in your IMAMS and their most authentic books. Is it any good to go on like a broken record by ignoring the history of Islam. There are countless traditions of prophet (SAWAWS) about his family rightly recorded in those books. If you wish, I can help you
BUT only if you refrain from unfounded bias, misguided information and can face the facts.
After the death of holy Prophet (SAWAWS) ONLY and just ONLY his brother Ali (A.s) (beloved son-in-law, his deputy) daughter Fatima al Zahra (SWA) (the Lady of paradise) and their sons Hassan and Hussain (peace be upon them) were the only people on the earth worth praising. In the Qur'an look at the VERSE: TATHEER in which Allah purified them and kept the uncleanliness away from them.
Allah created the universe and everything in it, the skies, the sun and moon in their love. AHSAMWAM
lool who r u fooling here, listen sistani and al khoi's advice to fool sunni is not working any more. an ignorant only can fool a ignorant. but let me tell u somthing u have came to a wrong crowd. give me the ayah which Allah swt did this to them,
this what Allah swt says about the sahabah and praises them >>>
And the first to embrace Islâm of the Muhâjirûn (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansâr (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhâjirûn) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allâh is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.
Ali (as) describes the creation of the universe in a khutba recorded in Nahjul Balagha. Read that khutba to try to understand what he was. Then read the histoties of the battles to see who fought and who ran away shaking with fear!
Then read Imam Alis letters to the first three khalifs.
You want true muslims to love both good AND evil!
May God guide u away from ur evil Yazidi ways!
Evil ppl like u have always existed to misguide the Ummah but they will all have the same end...Jahannum!
huh ya rafidha can u not handle the ayat of Quran ? u want me to leave the athentic ahadith, narated in many books, and especially leave the Quran, and go to a book which not even writen by Ali, but writen by some one who u have no clue, and decades after Ali ra. then changed dozen of times in the history. u think i am a fool huh. the Quran wa sunnah is enough for me. i do not want fairy tale stories. u see u filthy rafidha have nothing on ur midn except yazeed.
if u forget yazeed, u would find a lot of truth. but shaytan has used his tool. to keep in ur mind yazeed so that u be fooled around by ur priest due to what yazeed did
maonzo- you are a very cunning person- i emailed you in provate and said we can discuss this in private as each text here has limit and poeple start abusing but you choose to come on this rubbish again- all you above explaination are so simple that eveyr shia kid is brainwashed to know them- i have challened to hold a discussion in private and later you can publish it, accept the challeneg and INSHALLAH then you will watch how i provide you the references... stop wasting time here
you call knowing the facts brainwashing, i call that education..i am glad the every shia kid educate himself to notbe an ignorant person like you guys.
2)iam not willing to debate you for 2 reason
1) about you: i see just words,no proof and no acts
2)imam ja'fare assadiq said; dont debate with ignorant people who doesnt want to change and see the truth, you should only debate with their ulama's
I am not ignorant, so you dont have to do what Imam Jafar or Hazrat Ali rda have stated0 dont worry about english i dont pick on spellign mistakes-
any please go and look at these reference for Fatima rda being angry with Ali rda. I will not write the event as I want you to go and read and tell me what it says so no confusion is left-
Brother Moalanzo i dont know what kind of people you have chatted to before but trust me I do not play about in matter of deen- I like to hold private discussion as it removes any nonesence from anyother person- INSHALLAH will chat soon but go and look at the references provided and let me know what it says in the reference, unless you want me to write th whole event myself but this cant be done on these post as it is long thats why private message is better
also sorry i tink i missed out an point you said- you said you wanted a reference from Anhjhul Blagha about Fatima rda forgiving Abu Bakar rda. Brother I have this also, I have the SHARH of Nahjul Blagha that refer to event that Fatima rda forgave ABu bakar rda, I will provide and I SWEAR TO MY MOTHERS LIFE I will provide- but i will wait for you to get back to me about the other referenes first. The only reason i am not writing full is because i am creating a video about this and will use them
molanzo- why set conditions form only book of nahjhul blagha- why not your mujadid books, why not Bihar un Anwar, why not usole kafi as they are part of your usole Arba- why just Nagjhul Blagha- stop playing games here, I know the reference you will provide for Fatimah rda being angry with Abu Bakar rda but it is not just that simple thier is just more to it apart from just the hadeet you use, however as you requested i will provide reference see next post-
Also Fatima rda being angry is recorded at another version:
Al-Majilisi Haqul Yaqeen page 2033-204
Al-Tusi Amali Page 295
Ibn Banaveh Al Qumi Elal Al ssaree page 163
Bihar al anwar page 43-33 (Chapter How Fatima rda life with Ali rda was)
Ibn Banaveh Al Qumi Elal Al sharee page 185-86 (al najaf print) also if you ahve the book you cab look at Majlisi has narrated it in Jala ul Eoyon ( i will get the full ref for this as i havent got this book here)
I looked into the issue which you two are discussing and i saw that there are (sunni) hadith which contradict themself and there are (shia) hadith which contradict themself.
You can find a shia hadith which says- Ali gave his daughter to 1st and 2nd califs nonetheless most of the hadith says otherwise. Allahu A3lam
Most important thing is that we unite against the zionists who are killing the innocent women and children in Palestine
Ammar died fighting muawiya. while jasimisbest2 says rda to imam Ali and also to muawiyah like nothing is happend while 70.000 men died. dont you people know how important one life is in islam
prophet said: Save a Life = Save All Humanity,Take a Life = Kill All Humanity
do you think muawiya killed 70.000 men by a mistake?? and god have forgiven him. while allah says in quran he forgive all sins except
shirk and haghun-nas and than Allah says the word of allah is the truth
3)why hazrat ali didnt fight with abu bakr and fought with muawiya?? because they where completely different situation.
I ask you something: why prophet didnt fight with mushrikeen of mekka befor battle of badr when islam was weak and they emigrated and after a while islam fighted with mushrikeen(like abu sufiyan=father of muawiya, and brother and father of hind= muawiyah's wife and mother of yazid)?
4)so you r agree with me that yazid son of muawiya killed imam hussain(grandson of prophet)..why you people still protect him?why?why?
you say who supported yazid and who handed imam hussain over to him? i know where r you going, you mean they where shia's..wrong shia(jafari fiqh),and sunni fighs like(hanbali,shafei,maleki and hanafi)started after 720-750. before that you had just moslim.
now knowing that,which group say that they also love ahlulbait and still they love and help their anemies?
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RESPECTED ALLAMA SB YOUR DISCUSSION IS TOTAL FAKE PLZ DO NOT MISGUIDE PEOPLES THANKS. ALLAH SHOW US RIGHT PATH . ALLAH HAFIZ
512zaib 1 month ago
is admi ko kuch sharam nahi ati ahy jo mu may ata hay bakay jata hay.ume kulsoom rishtay may omer ki nawasi hoti theen.koi admi upnee 5 sal ki nawasi say shadi karay to hum usay kaya kahayngay harami. yeh to khud omer ko harami sabit karnay par tula hua hay.
raza2nice 3 months ago
yea right shia youth that kno nothing about shia we want large personality not youths cmon you serious????
bo3ali0000 8 months ago
Lets not get entangled into the family matters of Muslim followers to establish a common platform of Islam. Stick to the sahadah i.e No god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. That is the common platform and don't corrupt that platform by claiming Ali Waliallah or the beleiving that Ali should be rasulallah , or god or other nonsenses.
wongcampong 8 months ago
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This is an open challenge for the Shia to give Quranic verses which outline and justify the Shia concept of Imamah. Can the Shia produce even a single verse outlining Imamah, without any additions to the translation, without parenthetical insertions to the translation, without Hadith to “support” their interpretation, without Tafseer, and without their own personal commentaries leading us from verse to verse?
MuhammadAhmad1 1 year ago
I request my Sunni brothers to first research and study their own books before pointing their fingers to others.
mohasaeed 1 year ago
@mohasaeed yes brother im a sunni and ur right everyone should study his own books first,there is alot of things that dont make sense in sunni haddith but also in shia haddith i have studied and admit the truth but you also need to admit the truth and then maybe we can come to a common platform.inshallah
zakikamal1 9 months ago
Al-Zubayr came out with his sword drawn. As he stumbled (upon somethingl, the sword fell from his hand, so they jumped over him and seized him.'
(History of al-Tabari, Volume IX, pages 186-187, English translation-SUNY press).
mohasaeed 1 year ago
Allamah Tabari in his book:
'Umar b. al-Khattab came to the house of Ali. Talhah, al-Zubayr, and some of the Muhajirun were also in the house with 'Ali. Umar cried out, “By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance [to Abu Bakr], or I will set the house on fire."
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mohasaeed 1 year ago
Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler." (Az-Zuhrl said, "They have been managed in this way till today.")
(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 325)
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mohasaeed 1 year ago
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"I will not leave anything Allah's Apostle used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to 'Ali and 'Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Apostle used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs.
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mohasaeed 1 year ago
Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Apostle.
She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Apostle which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said
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mohasaeed 1 year ago
Narrated 'Aisha (mother of the believers):
After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)."
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mohasaeed 1 year ago
Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: Allah's Apostle said, "Fatima is a part of me, and whoever makes her angry, makes me angry."
(Bukhari Volume 5, Book 57, Number 111)
mohasaeed 1 year ago
Yes we have a problem with this stupid suggestion how can u compare sahaba with ahle bait, there is no comparision and we respect all sahaba except those who usurped the right s of ahlebait, who gave pain to the daughter of the prophet after he died, who ran to grasp the caliphate leaving the body of the prophet, GO And read your own books AND SEE WHO IS RIGHT.
Bab8291 1 year ago
wahabis are the sons of Yazid and may they rot in hell with their perverted ideology, the people who destroyed the grave of the daughter of the prophet and who have devastated mecca and medina
Bab8291 1 year ago
why is scoped out on this page if he doesn't like it he should just leave there is no compulsion to be here nor is there anyone forcing him.....some people are always looking to wind others up....
prodigiouschild72 1 year ago
wahabis and all e saud are lover of usa and israil they looted muslim oil welth sham on them
netfreak92 1 year ago
wahabis are oulad ibllis
netfreak92 1 year ago
Why is a filthy shi'ite filling up pages of his bull crap, ranting on and on and on?
ScopedOUT2 1 year ago
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sheikhAbbas326 1 year ago
@sheikhAbbas326 Why are you spreading these lies?
bilialqazi2000 1 year ago
Now;
MR. ABDULLAH
Let me see if you can Change My Mind .
You are So good with , YOUNG SHIA ?
Any Shia has a WHOLE LOT ,more Sense than your Highest Sunni Scholars.
You can BANK on what i say.
irooni100 1 year ago
OMAR SAID:to ALI (AS) and,IBN ABBAS(AS);He said: When the Messenger of Allah (PBU) passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (PBU)." Both of you ,thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest.
When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (PBU) and Abu Bakr , you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest.
( Book of Jihad 19 S.M.4349)
IF THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT.
irooni100 1 year ago
WAS , Faimah (AS).Interested in the LAND ? knowing She has SHORT TIME to LIVE ?
NO SIR.
She Was Trying to WARN , the Rest of the MUSLIMS , About the SELF ELECTED Khalifa.
If This Amir AL- MOFSEDEEN , Takes the Property of the Daughter of Rasulallah(SA) , by TRICK & LIE, Guess What he Might do to yours?
irooni100 1 year ago
THE RASULALLAH(SAWA) SAID;
S.B 62;157---Fatima is a part of my body, and I hate what she hates to see, and what hurts her, hurts me."
S.B 59;368 368 - Narrated 'Aisha: Fatima and Al'Abbas came to Abu Bakr, claiming their inheritance of the Prophet's land of Fadak and his share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said, "I heard the Prophet saying, 'Our property is not inherited, and whatever we leave is to be given in charity.
DID ,RASULALLAH(SAWA) , NOT TELL, his own Daughter About this ?
irooni100 1 year ago
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227 Continue;
. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is
irooni100 1 year ago
227 Continue;
under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b.
irooni100 1 year ago
S.B.227 ** BIDAH By UMAR**
Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership
irooni100 1 year ago
488 S.B.
Narrated Al-Musaiyab: I met Al-Bara bin 'Azib and said (to him). "May you live prosperously! You enjoyed the company of the Prophet and gave him the Pledge of allegiance (of Al-Hudaibiya) under the Tree." On that, Al-Bara' said, "O my nephew! You do not know what we have done after him (i.e. his death)."
HE MEANS, YOU DONT KNOW HOW MANY BEDAAH HAVE THEY PLACED IN ISLAM.
Any one who place BIDAH in ISLAM , IS KAFIR
irooni100 1 year ago
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SAHIH BUKHARI B 92 ALL HADITH))
468-Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar bin Al-Khatttab, the Prophet said, "Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said, "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Quran, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us."
Any one who Disobey Rasulallah(SA) , Is not MUSLIM.
irooni100 1 year ago
S.MUSLIM B31 ALL HADITH
5903 - Ibn Umar reported Umar as saying: My lord concorded with (my judgments) on three occasions. In case of the Station of Ibrahim, in case of the observance of veil and in case of the prisoners of Badr.
This Prove Umar was Hypocrite.
irooni100 1 year ago
I am a Shia , And I have NO DOUBT ,that Abu bakir and Umar,and Uthman Were KAFIR AL MOTALQ .
Quran 9;101-101-And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are hypocrites, and among the townspeople of Al-Madinah (there are some who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not. We, We know them, and We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom. (101)
irooni100 1 year ago
The Prophet (PBUH) has said:
Behold! My Ahl al-Bayt are like the Ark of Noah. Whoever embarked on it
was saved, and whoever turned away from it perished al-Hakim al-Naysaburi, alMustadrak
`ala al-Sahihayn, volume 3, p. 151 and volume 2,
page 343. He states that it is sahih in accordance with the criteria of Muslim
FJVHR 1 year ago
It's funny when shias curse Ayisha and call her all kinds of names, then they go ahead and refer to her hadiths with no hesitation whatsoever. The TOP of IRONY!
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri I completely disagree with the cursing, and name calling, however she wasn't exactly what I would like to refer to as my role model. The prophet said to Ali and Fatima and Hasan And Husein : I'm in war with whom you're in war and I am in peace with whom you're in peace . [Sunan al Tirmithi - 3805] (SUNNI HADITH). Aishah waged war against Imam Ali (a.s) in the Battle of Jamal.
Enough said?
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR You disagree with your scholars on the cursing, but you are still taqiyya-crazed. I checked up your reference and I found that you are a liar. The text of that hadith is: Follow those after me, among my companions, Abu Bakr and Umar. And be guided through the guidance of Ammar, and stick to the advice of Ibn Masud. I used to be curious about shia islam, and contemplated it, but this only makes me steadfast in my belief that shiaism is a cult of shaitan!
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Excuse me. I found that hadith of a SUNNI website, using a SUNNI source. I have better things to do thanfabricate hadith. If you want fabrications, please do visit abubakr. org/fabintro.php
I don't have time to be sitting here listening to your insults. Here's a lovely hadith for you to sit and mope over, because your accusations mean nothing to me. Do you even know what taqiyyah is? It's the act of hiding your belief in times it is necessary. I am not hiding. I am Shia and PROUD.
FJVHR 1 year ago
also in the hadith it states that when the Prophet goes to shake or hold the sahabas hand (paraphrasing) Allah pulled it back and said you do not know when you are gone they will add new things in the religion ...
giaforever12 1 year ago
brother you just forgot one thing what the quran has said wich is the real truth. these are facts all muslims will conquer and we all are right. wich is ironicly wrong because why the sunni beleive right but they do not beleive in everything the prophet said wich is wrong. and the shia is right but in the history there are somethings changed to. the real way is shia but you must not take everything serious. the shia who says khulafa are kafir are it them selfs.and who doesnt belive ahlul bait
unbrokeneagle 2 years ago
In the Nahjul Balagha, one of the most revered books of the Shia, Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said in Sermon 126:
(I) With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness (Shias), and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness (Kharjis). The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course (Sunnis) . So be with him and be with the great majority of
MuhammadAhmad1 2 years ago
(ii) Muslims because Allahs hand of protection is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is a prey to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is a prey to the wolf. Beware! Whoever calls to this course [of sectarianism], kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine.
HOW BEAUTIFULLY AND WISELY ALI HAS DEFINED SUNNIS (FOLLOWERS OF MAINSTREAM ISLAM) , SHIAS AND KHARJIS. REALLY ALI WAS A GATE OF CITY OF KNOWLEDGE.
MuhammadAhmad1 2 years ago
Khoon Se Charagh-e-deen jalaya Hussain ne,,
Rasm-e-Wafa ko khoob nibhaya Hussain ne..
Khud ko to ek boond bhi Pani na mil saka,,
Karb-O-Bala Ko khoon pilaya Hussain ne..
Aesi Namaz kaon parhega Jahan men?
Sajda kiya to Sar Na uthaya Hussain ne.!
Sab kuch Khuda ki raah men Qurban kar diya,
Asghar sa phool bhi na bachaya Hussain ne..
LAANAT HO JO HUSSAIN PE SHAK KRE are kutte bhi jo use khilata hai use vafa krta hai
AliHaqAli1 2 years ago
go read your own books stupid sunnis
3DeeFanatic 2 years ago
your a nob your gona get it big time
rahet123 2 years ago
all the shia books have no chain off narration!!!lol what you on about,there are a few good hadith used in your books but mostly fairy tales.
smoothpakim27 2 years ago
Im wondering how can one say that when the infallible sunni book (!!!!) Sahih Bukhari mentiones that omar has called the Prophet(pbuhf) as sick and delirious???
It is funny when a sunni tries to convince a Shia by sunni references ??!!! All Shia sources reject that Ali(as) married his doughters to the 1st and 2nd khalifas
Not only Shiites, but also the Sunni books confirm this (all references available if requested)
imandxb31 2 years ago
can you please email me sunni refereneces that reject the notion of Umar marrying Umm Kulthoom Bint Ali. As far as I know there is a dispute amongst shia scholars whether this actually happened. Some say it did happen whilst others say it didn't. But the scholars who say the marriage took place do infact say that Umar forced Imam Ali to give him his daughter. But I'm not sure if there are sunni sources that reject this notion. Wasalam.
KhaadimAalMuhammad 2 years ago
Dear Brother,
1) The dominant majority of the Shia Scholars reject the myth of Ali(as) marrying his daughter to Umar. As long as the "Maraje" are conserned there is a unanimous opinion over rejecting this issue
2) Ali(as) NEVER EVER gave up to pressures. Be it a marriage, or the Khelafa or... Ali(as) always did what was the best for Islam. Accusing Ali(as) of giving up to Umar pressure is just an effort to down grade his position and personality
3) ...to be continued...
imandxb31 2 years ago
3) This myth could be analyzed from at least 9 different angels, such as:
A: Did a girl named Umm Kolthoom BINT Ali(as) exist?
B: Was Umm Kolthoom BINT Abu Bakr or bint Ali(as)?
C: The contradictions with the narration!!
D: Dishonoring the Chastity of Prophet(pbuhf) and Ahlal Bayt!!
E: Analyzing Umar reason for marriage!!
F: An attempt against the sunnah!!
G: Umar & Umm Kolthoom were not in same level (Kofw)!!
H: Forcefull Marriage??
I: Is the narrator of this myth really authentic??
imandxb31 2 years ago
another question i pose is how can u hate the wives of the habib allah muhammed(SAW) when allah calls them all the mothers of the believers, and also declared them as ahl bayt in the quran. plz reply it really baffles me.
ISLAMIC888SON 2 years ago
Thanks for your valid question: Although as you can read, i am extremely busy preparing a research for a dear brother but to give you a brief idea of the shiites belief please note the following:
1)You mentined the Shiites hate the wives of the Abdullah (pbuhf)!! Clearly this is not the case for Shia (except the ignorant and arrogant ones which cold be find in any religion or denomination). As a matter of fact the Shiite respect the wives of the Prophet (pbuhf)
imandxb31 2 years ago
surely the Shiites consider them as Ommol Moumenin metaphorically and definitely not litteraly.
2)Allah(swt) word (Quran) is a book of principles. It is not a history book nor a story book or even not an academic one. It discusses the principles and its promisses and invitations are valid as long as the grounds and the considered subject is valid. For instant: Allah(swt) has warned his Messenger(pbuhf) in Quran in many occassions that if he were to do such and such mistake, Allah(swt) would...
imandxb31 2 years ago
punish him a sever punishment. yet we see that the Prophet(pbuhf) as never included in such cases. In the other hand Allah(swt) have promissed differet tribes of good fortune but sine they changed their path and insisted on their wrong, God(swt) made BEDAA and void his promiss (e.g. the Bani Israel...)In regards to the wives of the Prophet(pbuhf) God(swt) has instructed them to keep a special attitude and for example stay at their homes and to specilly cover themselves...
imandxb31 2 years ago
as mentioned when the quality and condition of something changes so does automatically the promis of God (the world we leave in is a world of CAUSE and EFFECT surrounded by the FREE WILL, and God would never ever force his good or bad to anyone except by a free will)
Having said all these, the Shia tend to analyze verything, even the footstep of the Prophet(pbuhf) to inshaallah benefit from it. While this analyze we realize that there are serious historical conradictins
imandxb31 2 years ago
now bout the 12imams if u think its a pillar to believe in them why isnt it mentioned in the quran like the pillars sunnis believe in. asalam alaykum brother i hope i did not offend it was not my intention
ISLAMIC888SON 2 years ago
My dear Brother, i thought your question was about the wives only and now i see tha in every single lne you question a subject which is worth books and articles.
I hope we wont critisize to fullfil our EGO rather to increase our knowledge to guide ro to be guided...
to simply clarify a matter pls let me note something: According to Shia the Pillars and the foundation of Islam are 3 (Touhid, Prophecy of Mohammad(pbuhf) and Maad (Judgement day))
imandxb31 2 years ago
there are two other items know as (Adl (justice) and Imama) which are the foundations of Madhhab (Shia denomination).
Who ever elieves in the first 3 is cosidered as a muslim and whoeer believes in the other 2, is a Shia...This is a simple yet general believe in Islam...I hope the word in the street wont be our measure so we wont be misguided
And no, you didnt offend me at all, and i also thank you again for raisin valid questions. yet again this world is for us to apply our FREE WILL
Ya Haq
imandxb31 2 years ago
but shia and sunni were never there with the prophet(saw) allah said in the quran today i have perfected my favour and chosen ISLAM as your religon.
where does the other 2 pillars that makes u shia fit in that. i believe there are 5 pillars. 1 god mohammed his prophet the 2quran 3hajj 4zakkat 5salah they are mentioned in the quran
ISLAMIC888SON 2 years ago 2
Yes again you are right, WE were not available by 1430 years ago. And this is exactly why we have to study the people who narrted from the messenger of Allah(pbuhf) to see which one is trustworthy and which is not.
Regarding the verse "Al Youm Akmalto Lakom Dinokom..." The Shia believe this verse was revelaed on the location of Qadir Khom during the "Hajatol Weda" where the Prophet(pbuhf) introcuced Ali(as) as his successor
Regarding the word Pillar or Foundation or..it is just a game of words
imandxb31 2 years ago
All Shia unanimosly believe in Touhid, in Mohammad(pbuhf) to be his messenger, that Quran we have today is the ever lasting most complete word of Allah(swt), Haj is cmpulsary, Zakkat and Saddaqa and Khomos must be paid and Salah mst be performed. Only the classification is different.
If you dont mind let me give you an example.
In Shia the 3 Osool Din (i.e. Touhid, Prophecy, Qiamah) must be researched by every individual, and to be acceted based on research and knowledge
imandxb31 2 years ago
Noboy can claim i believ in the unity of Allah(swt) because my father said so. This is just stupid. Also theother articles of the Ossol Din. Yet the other facts you mentioned (e.g. Salah, Zakat, Hajj...) are considered as "Foroo al Din" "Peripheral of Din" the difference is that the pripherials cold not be questioned. (e.g. why does the morning rayer has 2 rakaat only?) why mustwe perform Hajj in such particular habit? simply it is not that much of a research related rather historically
Ya Haq
imandxb31 2 years ago
the wives of the prophet(saw) i believe there should be no argument cause allah(swt) tolds what to believe about them. do u believe if i dnt believe in the 12imams im not a shia?
ISLAMIC888SON 2 years ago
when i mentioned the artice of Imama it is basically the concept of Imama and not the 12th imam out of the whole context.
As said:According to the Shia whoever believes in "Touhid of Allah" "Nabbowa of Mohammad" and "Qiama" is a muslim whether a good one or a bad one Allaho Aalam, and who ever also further believes in "Adl" and "Imama" is a Shia Muslim. These are called the "Osool Din" "Foundation of Religion" and "Ossol Madhhab" "Foundation of Denomination"
imandxb31 2 years ago
For example, we come to see that Allah(swt) warns two ofthe wives of the Prophet(pbuhf) in Quran and threatens them to correct their actions(!!!) As an interested person i would like to compare the word "Omol Moumenin" with God 's threat!!
From another hand: Since Quran as said before, is the source of the Principals and not an academic book (this is one of the best advantages of Quran which makes it possible for Quran to be eternaly valid) we are in need of the Ahadeeth and Sunnah to
imandxb31 2 years ago
how can ur scholors teach that the mehdi will ressurect abu bakr(rra) n omar(ra) and punish them, is this not teaching hate to people that intermarried with ahl bayt and the prophets daughters.and also attributing god like attributes to him. Brother i like to relate everything to the quran thats why i love his wives daughters and companions. When is always literal when it comes to things like that bout the wives of the prophet. Especially how allah knew the situation we r in 2day
ISLAMIC888SON 2 years ago
be ale to interprete and understand it. To filter the authentic narrations from the fabricated ones we need to study the life of those who narrated or related a word or deed to his excellency the Prophet(pbuhf). When we come to the authentic ahadith where Omol Moumenin Aisha confronts the Amiral Moumenin we see a vivid contradiction in action. How is this possible that Omol Moumenin fights a war with Amiral Moumenin, over 40,000 of the early muslims get killed and yet
imandxb31 2 years ago
and yet both Ali and Aisha to be considered as PERFECT???
There are numerous ahadith even from the sunni sources confirming such events.
3)Regarding the wives of the Prophet(pbuhf) to be included in the definition of Ahl Beit or not, i refer you to the sunni infallible books of Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari were this idea is clearly rejected. Also logically and gramatically when Ahlal Beit are conserned the pronouns in the verse change to a masculine form and not feminine anymore
imandxb31 2 years ago
i appologize for such short misstyped answer and inshallah once i find more time would be eager to continue this discussion.
Wa menallahe toufigh
Ya Haq
imandxb31 2 years ago
i dnt believe any1 is perfect except allah. AISHA(ra) maybe did fight ali(ra) and god knows best but ali(ra) fought her and allah knows best. What happened between them is for allah to judge im sure u know 2 families fued or muslims that fued today who do u say go to hell or who we to judge. I love em both for the sake off the creater
ISLAMIC888SON 2 years ago
In regards to the fight, you are right we are not able to see othe rhumans intentions and aims and hence not only we are notable to judge people but we must prevent such abit as well. Yet, if something proves to be correct and authentic, logically we must learn a lesson from it. For example in the mentioned fight we MUST analze the causes and effects, the events and the aftermath...neglecting this and claiming it has happened in the past and it is not our business to study it is just not right
imandxb31 2 years ago
Our actions are the manifestations of our believes unless one is a hypocrite. So when those two people fight each other in fact its a war of two thoughts and phylosophies, and since in each war the possibilities are: 1)Right vs Wrong or 2) Wrong vs Wrong, so we hav to analyze the causes to find out as much as possible. Believe me brother the loss of more than 100,000 muslims in the young age of islam (in the fights of NAMAL and NAHRAWAN) is not a small issue.
As you said Allaho Aalam
Take care
imandxb31 2 years ago
it was only an example we are not god to judge. brother we dont take sides we follow the sunnah of muhammed(saw) and the teachings of all our caliphites especially our fourth and final one ali(ra). Ask yourself this who knew more bout the way of the prophet(saw) other than his wives and companions including all ahl bayt who god announced are in the quran.
ISLAMIC888SON 2 years ago
As you can guess each of these items should be studied in depth and for each of them there are MANY sources all confirming that the story is nothing more but a fabricated myth.
Since a 500 word limit comment is not the right place to mention all these, please inform which item is more interesting to you, or give me some time to prepare a seperate paper and send it to you.
Wish you all the best
Wallaho Aalam
imandxb31 2 years ago
If you don't mind brother can you please prepare a separate paper for me. I do wish to know more about this subject, all I've heard is the Sunni side of things, not much the Shia side. Wasalam.
KhaadimAalMuhammad 2 years ago
Samaan wa Taataa, i hear and obey my brother.
Again i repeat that in all clearness of this issue, it is a very diverse subject and hence i need a little bit of time to prepare the paper. Inshaallah will finish it fast.
Thanks for your patience
Allaho Aalam
imandxb31 2 years ago
Brother,
In order to carry out your instruction, i have spent the last two days preparing the research. As you can guess the field of hadith and authenticity of the narrations is quite boring and needs a lot of patience and time.
From the previously mentioned 9 items, only 2 are covered, and will continue to complete it inshaallah.
Please inform me your e-mail so i can send you whatever is ready by now.
Tae care
imandxb31 2 years ago
but brother the quran is a guide to all man kind till the day of judgment, allah wouldnt decieve us he clearly states that he is its gaurdian hence can never be played with as shia believe. We all have to relate things back to the quran and with all due respect shia beliefe teaches to hate aishia(ra) the wife of the prophet(saw). Go read all shia books.
ISLAMIC888SON 2 years ago
aslam can any one find me a radd for nigelbulgha??jazkAllahkhair.
smoothpakim27 2 years ago
radd??
imandxb31 2 years ago
You made up their statements... you have many mistakes, so long as you are not rafida it is just bid'a and a sect, but if if you are then qul la ilaha ill Allaah and learn the aqeeda of Islaam.
LearnTeachFightDie 2 years ago
We don't need your help thank you, everything we need to know, we have. And yes, there is a problem loving both the "Sahaba" and the Ahlul Bayt (as). You're either one way or the other. The AhlulBayt (as) were OPPRESSED by the Sahaba, how can we love those very people who caused the Prophet's family pain?!
Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O People of the House (Ahlul'bayt)! and to purify you a thorough purification." (33:33)
FJVHR 3 years ago
Yh, i am not teaching here, nor am i helping anyone. i am trying to make it clear for those who dont know about islam, therefore they listen to any1 and curse and attack, and believe in a system which has got nothing to do with islam. Sahaba oppressed the Ahlul bait ? lol where do u get this ? from huh ? proof plz, and yh the ayah is against u, read the the ayah 33:32 to understand who Allah swt is refering. its refering to Mothers of believers which u curse and attack
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
This whole lecture is preaching, and hinting that the Shia are misguided. How do you ever expect Shia/Sunni peace with your sour attitude?
FJVHR 3 years ago
what peace? huh, how can we have peace when u follow some parts of the Quran and leave the other parts and play games with the rest. we MUSLIMS are in nooo neeed of a peace with people, who curse the wives of our prophet, who curse the companions of our prophet, those who add into this deen, those who have a different aqeedah then this deen, and beleive in fairy tale storries.
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 5955:
'A'isha reported that Muhammad went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped him under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)
FJVHR 3 years ago
yes that hadith is refering to Ahlel Kisa, the family of Ali ra, what is ur point lol, go ahead and past the other hadiths, which Muhammad saw clearly states which other families are his family? u forgot a lot of other families which Muhammad saw considered them as his family>
1.The Prophets wives
2. The Prophets children
3. The Prophets freed slaves
4.Ahlul kisa
5. The family of Aqil
6. The offspring of Jafar
7. The offspring of Abbas
8. Salman al-Farsi
All above are family of Muhammad saw
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
infact this what Muhammad saw said about who his ahlul bait are >>
Do not come to me with your lineages on the Day of Resurrection! My Family is every God-fearing believer.
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
@AbuAbdullah11 uhh ok what you are doing twisting peopl's words lol....ahh more people trying to cause divisions and hatred because they themselves are confused and brainwashed lol...surely we are his family in that sense (pbuh) but when he died (pbuh) he left 2 things for us the Qur'an and the Ahlul-Bayt who he said will not go away from the true faith (i am paraphrasing) and we should look to them for guidance
giaforever12 1 year ago
@FJVHR That hadith is a good reason to respect and honor Ayisha (ra), dont you think? Because shias can't have both. EIther Ayisha was untrustworthy and this hadith is also not reliable OR Ayisha was honorable and true and her hadiths were sahih.
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri The only reason I used that hadith, was because it is from Sahih Muslim, a book which Sunni brothers and sisters find highly authentic. I did this in order to make my argument valid, as there is no way you people would have accepted a Shia hadith. It in no way has anything to do with my personal opinion. And we're not crazy people. We refrain from disrespecting her, but there are numerous hadiths in your own books in which she irritated, and disrespected the Prophet (pbuh).
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR You are a classic example of how shias use taqiyya to defend and/or fool muslims. You deny it is a rewardful deed to curse the sahabas and you refer to false and fabricated hadith with an extensive use of taqiyya whenever you want. Muslims see through your falsehood, it's useless because all your tricks have been exposed.
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri The Prophet (s) said : "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your Shi'ah will be in Paradise."
Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Fadha'il al-Sahaba, vol. 2, p. 655
Abu Nu'aym al-Isbahani, Hilyatul Awliya, vol. 4, p. 329
al-Khatib al-Baghdadi , Tarikh Baghdad, vol. 12, p. 289
al-Tabarani, Mu'jam al-Kabir, vol. 1, p. 319
al-Haythami, Majma' al-Zawa'id, vol. 10, pp. 21-22
Ibn 'Asakir, Ta'rikh Dimashq, vol. 42, pp. 331-332
Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, (Cairo) Ch. 11, section 1, p. 247
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri So please, tell me, are all those Sunni references for "Glad tidings O Ali! Verily you and your shia will be in paradise" made up too? Oh, please. Open your eyes, wake up, and see the truth which is in your own books. The Ahlulbayt (a.s) gave their lives to save the religion of Islam. Why aren't they ever mentioned in your books? They are the rope of guidance referred to in the Quran, without them you are lost. So please, stop insulting, get a grip, and do some valid research.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR So please tell me, what is the reference for that hadith? There is no hadith with those words at all in sunni books. The sahaba gave their lives for islam also. ALL hadith are reported by people the shias curse. Quran was memorized by sahaba that shias curse. Islam is given to us from generation to generation thanks to the effort of the sahaba. So please do some research yourself.
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Right. The same sahaba that killed the daughter of your Prophet (pbuh), and her unborn foetus? The same Abu Bakr that Lady Fatimah (sa) didnt forgive, and died that way? The same ones that took Her inheritance rights? The same ones that forced Imam Ali (a.s) to pay allegiance to them, even despite the fact the Prophet (pbuh) nominated Imam Ali (a.s) as his successor at Ghadeer e khum? The same Aisha who initiated war against Imam Ali (a.s) and harassed your Holy Prophet (pbuh)?
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri You're crazy for justifying all of that. Your own books narrate EVERYTHING I just mentioned. I'm done discussing with you, you have no facts, and are throwing accusations at me. God guide us all Inshallah.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR The problem is that shias have a long history and tradition of emphasizing and/or fabricating hadiths. Simply because they have nothing that supports their claims. And ironically, whey they refer to sahih hadiths, it is narrated by Aisha (ra) and the companions they hate and curse :)
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri LOL you know, I've just looked at your Youtube Channel. Mashallah brother, it seems as if you have nothing better in your life than to hate on Shias.
Goodbye :)
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR Oh, congrats. It was about time you checked out my channel. I am only doing this effort out of love for Allah, the prophet saw, Ali, Hussain, Fatima and the rest of Ahl Albayt.
Goodbye :)
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Oh, you're taught to dedicate your life on hating other people, are you? Wow, what religion do you follow, again? And you're proud of your hatred. You people just amaze me. And excuse me, but how can you love Lady Fatimah (s.a), as well as the people who killed her, and her unborn foetus? Yes, that would be Abu Bakr and Umar. And the people who took away her inheritance rights? Yes, that would be Abu Bakr and Umar again.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR I have a simple answer to your questions. I don't hate, but I work against those who try to corrupt my religion. Also it is the shia who teach their children to hate sunnis and the companions. I love Fatima (ra) because I love all the prophet's family, and I don't believe in the lies that shias produce against any of the companions. You expose yourself when you accuse both Abu Bakr AND Omar of the same things, when ACCORDING TO SHIA VIEW it was Abu Bakr who was guilty of these accusations
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Look, I have a simple question to ask you. When in all your sunni books it states that Umar burnt the door of Lady Fatimah (s.a), knowing that she was behind it, how do you justify? When in your sunni books it says Abu Bakr took the land of Fadak from Lady Fatimah (s.a), and she refused to talk to him until the day she died, how do you justify it? We love the family of the Prophet (pbuh) too, as well as his close, and true companions.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri How can they be lies, when it is narrated in your own books? In the same way that you wish to "work against those who try to corrupt your religion", so do we. We will not praise those who harmed the Prophet (pbuh)'s family, and unfortunately those "Sahaba" that you praise did exactly that. We are not taught to hate anyone, though we are taught to denounce those hypocrites in Islam.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Sahih Al Bukhari
No. 2883 - Narrated 'Aisha: (mother of the believers) After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Abu Bakr said to her "Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri This hadith is from Sahih al Bukhari, is it not? And it clearly says Lady Fatimah (s.a) was angry with Abu Bakr, does it not? So how can you praise Abu Bakr, when he angered the daughter, and the highest lady in all the worlds, from whom the Prophet (pbuh) said: "Whoever angers Fatimah, angers me, and whoever angers me, angers Allah (swt)". How can you justify loving both these people, when abu bakr clearly wronged the Pure lady (s.a)?
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR What hadith are you talking about? Abu Bakr did not anger Fatima (ra). This is a great misinformation cause by the shia. And if you refer to sahih Bukhari and other muslim hadith, then why don't you believe in the rest of the hadith which are also sahih from the same sources? You hold in high regard the hadith of the cloak despite it being narrated by your enemy Aiysha. Yes, shias have curious methods of argumentation indeed! We have the Quran complete and the sunna, you have nothing.
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Oh God. Below, I have pasted a hadith narrated from Aisha in SAHIH BUKHARI, saying Abu Bakr angered Lady Fatimah (s.a). If I used Shia SAHIH hadith, you would not believe me, right? Because you would say Shias have made it all up, and are lying, and misguided, or whatever else comes out of your mouth. This is the reason I used UR sunni hadiths to prove the same point: Abu Bakr angered Lady Fatimah. If this is narrated in both shia and sunni sources - it means it is undoubtedly true.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR And if I quote a SAHIH hadith from sunni sources saying that shias are not muslims, would you believe it? Ofcourse not? Infact you don't believe in any sunni hadith unless it directly supports shiaism. That's called hypocricy. Also, shias only quote the first part of the hadith and not the rest where it says that Abu Bakr and Fatima infact were not enemies in the end. Get over it, Abu Bakr was and has always been the first khalif of muslims. Stop beating yourself bloody over it.
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri I'd appreciate it if you stopped making things up, and quoted the "rest of that hadith" as i got it from the website Sahih bukhari, and it certainly did NOT say they weren't enemies in the end, so stop lying. And no, I wouldn't believe you, as NO WHERE in sunni sources does it say Shias are not muslims, it's something these idiotic wahabbis have spread about.And, please provide me sources which say "four rightly guided caliphs" were chosen by the Prophet (pbuh)? You're all talk.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR Since you put your trust in the hadiths of Imam Bukhari. Here is a direct quote and fatwa of Imam Bukhari himself: I dont see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten. (Khalq Afaalul-Ibaad, p.14)
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Um, nope. I don't trust Bukhari at all actually, YOU do. He wasn't even around at the time of the Prophet (pbuh), so who is He to be trusted eh? And yes, you carry on your petty life full of Shia hatred, just like Bukhari taught you to be like. Mashallah, you set off such a brilliant image about your scholars - they taught you to hate other people! The Prophet (pbuh) was never unkind to even his enemies, so I really have no idea what Sunnah you follow - Sunnah e Imam Bukhari?
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR That means you don't believe in the hadith of the cloak then. Or the hadith accusing Abu Bakr of wrongdoing against Fatima. Now finally you are waking up and discovering that muslims have always been aware of the rafidhi shia. Even since it's establishment after the death of the Prophet (saw).
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Erm no.Don't flatter yourself. We have our own hadith, our own evidence, and the fact that our evidence is even in Bukhari, and other Sunni books that are considered "sahih" means that yes, the hadith of the cloak is true, the hadith of accusations against Abu bakr are also true - they are in our hadith books as well as yours. And since they are in your books - you should believe it too :)Stop being such a wimp and avoiding the evidence I have proven to you, & stop lying to yourself.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri And you are such a hypocrite. This whole debate you say shias are the ones that hate - whereas you can't write a single reply without practically cursing shias. You say we pick and choose hadith - You haven't provided me with a single hadith, and neither have you backed up your accusations. You choose to ignore the hadiths in YOUR own books about Abu Bakr hurting Lady Fatimah (a.s), and then you claim to love both the "Sahaba" who hurt the ahlulbayt and the ahlulbayt at the same time
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR Tell me where I have cursed anyone in this debate? My question to you is simple; why do you rely on Bukhari hadiths when he himself said shias are not muslims, and when thousands of the Bukhari hadiths are narrated from people who are not trustworthy according to shias? You haven't provided any evidence for your silly claims. Why did Ali name his sons Abu Bakr and Omar? Why didn't Ali fight for his right to be Khalif is he was so brave? Find the answers and then ponder over it.
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@Biankoneri I'm sure you're aware, the term "Rafidhi" is not a pleasant term. And are you unaware that we shias have our own hadith books?! we have our own hadith books such as usool e kafi, which also state all the crimes of the so called "Caliphs", if you want me to provide evidence, I shall. Let me say this again. The only reason I narrated Bukharis hadith was to prove to YOU, because YOU are the one that believes him and trusts the narrators, not me.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri And yes, I have provided evidence. Bukhari's hadith about Abu Bakr hurting Lady Fatimah (sa) IS evidence for you. There's plenty more evidence, but thats just the basic - If you want more, I'll give you more. You believe it's sahih hadith, so if a sahih hadith of yours narrates Abu Bakr hurt Lady Fatimah (sa), you should undoubtedly believe it without further questioning. And how about we go right back to the beginning.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Why did Abu Bakr and Umar meet at Saqifa, when the Prophet (pbuh) hadn't even been buried to decide who the Caliph was going to be? When someone dies, don't you sit and mourn for the person? So why were they deciding over who gets the power? Why was Umar the first person on the day of Ghadeer to congratulate Imam Ali (a.s) on his appointment by the Prophet (pbuh) as the next successor?
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri And the reason Imam Ali (a.s) named his sons Abu Bakr and Umar is for the sake of peace and unity between the divide of "Shias" and "Sunnis". Are you really questioning how brave Imam Ali (a.s) was? That is not something exclusive to the Shia belief. In the battle of Uhud, when Abu Bakr and Umar had fled, as well as every other person, and left the Prophet (pbuh) on the battlefield, It was Imam Ali (a.s) who stayed and thought.
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri Or lets go back to the very beginning? Islam is a message that started from the time of Prophet Abraham (a.s). How come, with every Prophet there was sent down - Moses, Jesus, David - they all had successors divinely appointed? Moses had haroon, Jesus had simon, David had Solomon - they were all chosen by Allah (swt). Why would Allah (swt) leave his LAST ummah with the completed message, to democracy, and leave them to choose their own leader? Did Islam die with our Prophet (pbuh)?
FJVHR 1 year ago
@Biankoneri (read from the first message at the bottom, and go upwards...)
FJVHR 1 year ago
@FJVHR I know all the tricks you shias use to fool muslims. You rely on taqiyya and deceit, that's all you got. Now goodbye and go pollute some other video with your taqiyya and lies.
Biankoneri 1 year ago
@FJVHR Why are you referencing hadith reported by Aisha? She is not reliable and cursed according to shias. So this hadith cannot be true according to your cult.
Biankoneri 1 year ago
do u even pay attention ot Quran do u even read, what Allah swt says about the sahabah? huh do u even accept the Quran ? the Quran is very clear about the sahaba, the ahlul bait of muhammad saw, were the closest to the khulafa ar rashideen which u attack, the history is against ur sabaiyeen belief brought by Abdullah ibn saba. no matter what, u can not impose abdullah saba's system as islam. u wan to follow islam > its Quran and Muhammad saw sunnah khalas
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
What do you mean do you even accept the Quran?! Would I be muslim otherwise?!
wth Who is Abdullah ibn Saba? Why are you telling ME what I believe?!
The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said: "I leave among you two weighty things: the Book of Allah and my PROGENY. If you keep yourselves attached to these two, never, never will you go astray. These two will never be separated from each other until they meet me at the Fountain of Kauthar."
Therefore, you want to follow Islam? -> the path of the AHLULBAYT.
FJVHR 3 years ago
lol who are ahlul bait, the defination fo ur ahlul bait is not found in Quran or the sunnah of muhammad saw. yes we agree with the hadith about Quran and ahlul bait not PROGENY lol changing hadith now huh? and the hadith about Quran and sunnah, both exactly similar in meaning, the sunnah is from muhammad saw > ahlul bait only would narrate from what they saw mUhmmad saw doing or said or did etc. therfore easily one can accept the both hadith, but ahlul bait includes those i mentioned THEN FOLLOW
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
This is lie, Imam Ali daughter was never married to omar. omar had five wifes with same names , she was not married to him her husband was Aun bin Jafar who was son of imam Ali brother..
syed113 3 years ago
sayed113, i know its very hard for shias who attack omar radhi Allahu an day and night to believe it, so u can come here and give all sorts of stories in order to disproof something which has been proven in history. so far i have seen more then 50 different say say noo Omar ra never married um kalthum, BUT guess what, no evidence, rather the shia books confirms that she did get married to Omar. lol
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
bullshit pure bullshit
umme kalsum is not married to usman the lanati. beyshmar.
the only thing that needs sincerity and reflection is ur head
NajafKazmi 3 years ago
first of all, calm down, and sort out ur langauge. we are talking about islam here. the slander against the sahabah u only, harming urself, becuase on yamul qiyamah, Allah and his messanger would deal with u, against ur words towrds the companion of our prophet WHICH ALLAH PRAISED IN QURAN and muhammad saw loved him. who said she Got married to uthman, she married to Omar ra. the proof here we go, from ur own book, the must athentic Al kafi there are more but this should be enough >>>
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
Abu Abdullah (a.s) said about the marriage of Umm Kulthoom: That was the vagina that we were forced to give.
usool al-kafi-5/213
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
umm kulsoom marrying umar is a total fabrication ad whomsoever fabricated this is bound for hell insha allah! Omar was not even fit to marry a sheep.
humayunka 3 years ago
Hello sunni brothers.. that um-e-kalossm is daughter of abu bkar, and after death of abu bakar imam Ali took both (son Mommad and daughter Kalsoom) to his home and imam Ali look after both of them before that um-e-kalsoom was married with umer. and not the daughter of Ali. go and read your all histroical books. you can read. open ur eyes, um-e-kalsoom the reall daughter of Ali was wife of jaffet tayar. ok so go and read again. umer was killer of Fatima so how can you say that rubbish,.........
03002427913 3 years ago
yh where di u get this, is this what khomeini teached u, if so let me tell u, he did TAQIYA, he was good at it. i mean all of them are good at it. GIVEEE me refernce. if u want proof form ur books give me pm to show u how ignorant of ur religion u r
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
i guess u dont know ur books or ur religion do u, go read ur books then come here try to debate us. its in ur books which says she was the only vigina we gave away. lol this how described in ur book if u want refernces give me a pm
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
Let me tell u my ignorant and foolish friend what ur problem is.
There was a woman called Kulsoom who was marred to Omar but this was not Umm Kulsoom who was married to Jaafer e Tayyar. The first Kulsoom was indeed married to Omar (sbuh) but this womans history is totally different. I challenge you to read carefully on this point and ten come back and apologise in shame.
You are a choot who has little knowledge and a munaafiq mind.
You are a disgrace who misguides innocent ppl. Laanat on u!
humayunka 3 years ago
My humble request to my Sunni brothers/Sisters:-
Please DO NOT believe a word what the Shi'a say. Do not touch their books. BUT please DO believe in your IMAMS and their most authentic books. Is it any good to go on like a broken record by ignoring the history of Islam. There are countless traditions of prophet (SAWAWS) about his family rightly recorded in those books. If you wish, I can help you
BUT only if you refrain from unfounded bias, misguided information and can face the facts.
hraaaaa1 3 years ago
i do not get wat u are saying here plz make ur self clear next time thanks
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
After the death of holy Prophet (SAWAWS) ONLY and just ONLY his brother Ali (A.s) (beloved son-in-law, his deputy) daughter Fatima al Zahra (SWA) (the Lady of paradise) and their sons Hassan and Hussain (peace be upon them) were the only people on the earth worth praising. In the Qur'an look at the VERSE: TATHEER in which Allah purified them and kept the uncleanliness away from them.
Allah created the universe and everything in it, the skies, the sun and moon in their love. AHSAMWAM
hraaaaa1 3 years ago
lool who r u fooling here, listen sistani and al khoi's advice to fool sunni is not working any more. an ignorant only can fool a ignorant. but let me tell u somthing u have came to a wrong crowd. give me the ayah which Allah swt did this to them,
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
this what Allah swt says about the sahabah and praises them >>>
And the first to embrace Islâm of the Muhâjirûn (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansâr (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhâjirûn) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allâh is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
Ali (as) describes the creation of the universe in a khutba recorded in Nahjul Balagha. Read that khutba to try to understand what he was. Then read the histoties of the battles to see who fought and who ran away shaking with fear!
Then read Imam Alis letters to the first three khalifs.
You want true muslims to love both good AND evil!
May God guide u away from ur evil Yazidi ways!
Evil ppl like u have always existed to misguide the Ummah but they will all have the same end...Jahannum!
humayunka 3 years ago
huh ya rafidha can u not handle the ayat of Quran ? u want me to leave the athentic ahadith, narated in many books, and especially leave the Quran, and go to a book which not even writen by Ali, but writen by some one who u have no clue, and decades after Ali ra. then changed dozen of times in the history. u think i am a fool huh. the Quran wa sunnah is enough for me. i do not want fairy tale stories. u see u filthy rafidha have nothing on ur midn except yazeed.
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
if u forget yazeed, u would find a lot of truth. but shaytan has used his tool. to keep in ur mind yazeed so that u be fooled around by ur priest due to what yazeed did
AbuAbdullah11 3 years ago
what is the book called and can i get it in english translation
khodr081 3 years ago
maonzo- you are a very cunning person- i emailed you in provate and said we can discuss this in private as each text here has limit and poeple start abusing but you choose to come on this rubbish again- all you above explaination are so simple that eveyr shia kid is brainwashed to know them- i have challened to hold a discussion in private and later you can publish it, accept the challeneg and INSHALLAH then you will watch how i provide you the references... stop wasting time here
jasimisbest2 3 years ago
this is my last responce t you my dear brother
Jasimisbes
I know your kind, if you liked to discuss in private, why did you give your opinion and fals information to devide people right here?(without sources)
I challenged you and challenge you agian, show me one hadith from shia's important books(Nahj al-Balagha)after quran, that shows:
1)fatimah forgave abu bakr
2)fatimah was angry with ali
I proofed the opposite with your most impotant book sahih bukhari with source
than i talk to you
malonzo0 3 years ago
you call knowing the facts brainwashing, i call that education..i am glad the every shia kid educate himself to notbe an ignorant person like you guys.
2)iam not willing to debate you for 2 reason
1) about you: i see just words,no proof and no acts
2)imam ja'fare assadiq said; dont debate with ignorant people who doesnt want to change and see the truth, you should only debate with their ulama's
salamun alaikum wa rahmatullahe wa barakato
sorry for my bad english
malonzo0 3 years ago
I am not ignorant, so you dont have to do what Imam Jafar or Hazrat Ali rda have stated0 dont worry about english i dont pick on spellign mistakes-
any please go and look at these reference for Fatima rda being angry with Ali rda. I will not write the event as I want you to go and read and tell me what it says so no confusion is left-
Haq ul yaqeen Page 127 Published Iran (persian)
Naikh ut tawarikh page 55
Bihar un Anawar Vol10 page 46
jasimisbest2 3 years ago
Brother Moalanzo i dont know what kind of people you have chatted to before but trust me I do not play about in matter of deen- I like to hold private discussion as it removes any nonesence from anyother person- INSHALLAH will chat soon but go and look at the references provided and let me know what it says in the reference, unless you want me to write th whole event myself but this cant be done on these post as it is long thats why private message is better
jasimisbest2 3 years ago
also sorry i tink i missed out an point you said- you said you wanted a reference from Anhjhul Blagha about Fatima rda forgiving Abu Bakar rda. Brother I have this also, I have the SHARH of Nahjul Blagha that refer to event that Fatima rda forgave ABu bakar rda, I will provide and I SWEAR TO MY MOTHERS LIFE I will provide- but i will wait for you to get back to me about the other referenes first. The only reason i am not writing full is because i am creating a video about this and will use them
jasimisbest2 3 years ago
molanzo- why set conditions form only book of nahjhul blagha- why not your mujadid books, why not Bihar un Anwar, why not usole kafi as they are part of your usole Arba- why just Nagjhul Blagha- stop playing games here, I know the reference you will provide for Fatimah rda being angry with Abu Bakar rda but it is not just that simple thier is just more to it apart from just the hadeet you use, however as you requested i will provide reference see next post-
jasimisbest2 3 years ago
Also Fatima rda being angry is recorded at another version:
Al-Majilisi Haqul Yaqeen page 2033-204
Al-Tusi Amali Page 295
Ibn Banaveh Al Qumi Elal Al ssaree page 163
Bihar al anwar page 43-33 (Chapter How Fatima rda life with Ali rda was)
Ibn Banaveh Al Qumi Elal Al sharee page 185-86 (al najaf print) also if you ahve the book you cab look at Majlisi has narrated it in Jala ul Eoyon ( i will get the full ref for this as i havent got this book here)
I will still prefer private chat
jasimisbest2 3 years ago
I looked into the issue which you two are discussing and i saw that there are (sunni) hadith which contradict themself and there are (shia) hadith which contradict themself.
You can find a shia hadith which says- Ali gave his daughter to 1st and 2nd califs nonetheless most of the hadith says otherwise. Allahu A3lam
Most important thing is that we unite against the zionists who are killing the innocent women and children in Palestine
SHIA+SUNNI= TRUE ISLAM
HEZBOLLAH+HAMAS= TRUE ISLAM
ShiaSunniUnity 3 years ago
TRUE SAY- their are ahdeetsh that contridicts but this is best left to the Alims not us, but these videos posted wiht lies have to also stop!
jasimisbest2 3 years ago
i completely agree-
there is information in the above video which seems as if it was intended to create disunity.
SHIA+SUNNI= TRUE ISLAM
HEZBOLLAH+HAMAS= TRUE ISLAM
ShiaSunniUnity 3 years ago
Ammar died fighting muawiya. while jasimisbest2 says rda to imam Ali and also to muawiyah like nothing is happend while 70.000 men died. dont you people know how important one life is in islam
prophet said: Save a Life = Save All Humanity,Take a Life = Kill All Humanity
do you think muawiya killed 70.000 men by a mistake?? and god have forgiven him. while allah says in quran he forgive all sins except
shirk and haghun-nas and than Allah says the word of allah is the truth
Allah o akbar
malonzo0 3 years ago
3)why hazrat ali didnt fight with abu bakr and fought with muawiya?? because they where completely different situation.
I ask you something: why prophet didnt fight with mushrikeen of mekka befor battle of badr when islam was weak and they emigrated and after a while islam fighted with mushrikeen(like abu sufiyan=father of muawiya, and brother and father of hind= muawiyah's wife and mother of yazid)?
malonzo0 3 years ago
4)so you r agree with me that yazid son of muawiya killed imam hussain(grandson of prophet)..why you people still protect him?why?why?
you say who supported yazid and who handed imam hussain over to him? i know where r you going, you mean they where shia's..wrong shia(jafari fiqh),and sunni fighs like(hanbali,shafei,maleki and hanafi)started after 720-750. before that you had just moslim.
now knowing that,which group say that they also love ahlulbait and still they love and help their anemies?
malonzo0 3 years ago