"He said, 'I am the truth!' I can't say that." Sure you can. And you could probably get a pretty large following if you traveled enough and said it enough times.
wtf? "i don't like separation" ironic when part 1 tells us he's separated every student into separate cubicles. inconsistent much ... just liek the bible
i like how Adrian says he doesn't think the class should be separated into separate compartments! When all the children are separate into their own cubicals! lmfao!
I take the "trouble" of meeting with muslim friends. "friends" ummmmmmm ? hahaha religion = segregation. "I dont like keeping things seperate" um yeah you do. you only teach the "truth" of christianity lol does anyone else see that whenever professor Dawkins says "yes" it sounds like he's saying shut the fuck up ? LOL
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Humans are so amazing, in 100k years we've went from spearmen to people like Dawkins, creating and thinking. Then there's others who destroy and cock-block human progress. But we must not war with them. It's as simple as ignoring those lies, just as they ignore the truth.
@idiallin whats so stupid about atheists? religious people have no evidence for god. When you pick up a ball and drop it, you know why it falls. science has given you everything. learn to appreciate it. religious people pray to god until they break a leg, and then they go to a doctor. lol why dont you just pray to god to heal it? because god does nothing. thats why. another human being can actually help. dont you see that we need to work together. all we have is each other. peace for humanity
Religion is like taking a test and filling in the blanks with what comforts you instead of what is actually known or admitting that you don't know. How healthy would it be if people believed in Santa Claus from childhood until the day they die, old and gray in the nursing home... despite the fact that he stopped bringing you presents when you moved out of your parents home? It's the same insulting unsubstantiated "naughty or nice" father figure scenario carried on with religion.
I love those debates, but I'm having a hard time figuring out why creationists accept to debate with Dawkins, while they perfectly know they will look dumb and will be presented as dumb to Dawkins' target audience. I know they sincerely think their arguments are valid, but still, they know Dawkins reputation.
Professor Dawkins is clearly finding it hard to find worthy advesaries...sigh, this chap seems like your run of the mill guy, not the debate type :s.. nice enough chap though.
@loz1023 Dawkins is one stupid half baked intelecual and idiot.I dont even need to learn english to see the fakeness nd godless new age satanism he promote.RICHARD DAWKINS IS NO EVEN SMART AND ANSTAIN WAS A GENIUSE>ANSTAIN BELIEVED IN GOD you lil ignorant idiots and new age retards
How can you be an adult and have faith??? I'm only 19 and I've realized religion is a myth, just like I stopped believing in Santa Clause when I was 7. I just live my life I don't need religion.
I love listening to Dawkins' debates, he argues brilliantly and then his slight traces of contempt for his creationist counterparts sometimes sparkling through... great!
I love how throughout the entire interview you can see Dawkins thinking to himself, "My god, I'm speaking with an idiot". He seems to be unable to fathom the complete lack of intellect the other guys has.
Religion should just stick to the literature curriculum. If one thinks that biblical text is compatible with science, then one will have to include a whole list of other religious texts just for the sake of fairness. That would be disastrous.
Now this is hilarious. Dawkins asks: why do you teach the bible's stories instead of other stories. Hawkes: because they are in the bible. Gee I wonder whether he would accept such "evidence" in a murder trial.
Adrian Hawkes is terrifying, he doesn't even have the ability to think critically - scientific truth is not a matter of opinion! He just wants to program those children to see the world just as he does. He never questions his own teachers!
hahaha. I agree. He's having an adult disussion with a man who believes in winged demons, fire breathing dragons, talking snakes, etc. It's like having a conversation with a child about which superhero is the real one and which one is not. I'd be tearing my hair out by now.
I'd love to see a speach bubble oer dawkin's head, to what he's actually thinking during the 'debate'.
@Domzdream If they had the though bubbles it would be censored. I’ve never heard Prof Dawkins swear let alone call someone a brain dead retarded fuckwit, which I’m sure is what he is thinking.
@Domzdream I think living in America has had an adverse effect on your English, they make words up as the go. But who cares, I fully understood what you said.
"the best science that was going at the time"? Come on, Dr. Dawkins. That wasn't science--that was pure speculation. It was speculation based on what? A philosophical assumption--not a comparison of the elements on the moon and in the Pacific Ocean.
What about today, is "the best science" we have today likewise made up of such speculations?
@ReturnedGrazzt Haha, I love your comment. Ever since I encountered Dawkins, read his works and watched his interviews+lectures I felt he's a Jedi Master!
This Hawkes guy needs to read Joseph Campbell's works on myth. And though I agree more with Dawkins, he would also benefit from being familiar with Campbell's writings...
I've watched the other parts of this series since. I didn't realize that the purpose of the conversation was an interview (which in this case certainly resembles an argument). Thanks for the clarification.
Still dont get why noahs ark would be in a science text book? That would be like all the sudden mentioning somthing logical,or etical between the killing and suffering in the bible. makes no sense.
I don't think Dawkins addressed the issue correctly. His defense for teaching a myth is that things he learned in science class before became a myth. This does not imply the reverse, that something known as a myth through science has late come to be discovered that its scientifically true.
I love the way dawkins in these interviews, at the beginning is quite ready for an intellectual debate of sorts, and slowly, over time, he realises this is yet another moron, and he can just switch his brain off, and autopilot his way through an arguement he's heard thousands of times =p
"Dawkins: "Why teach the children that myth? Rather than a Nigerian myth or an Indian myth?"
Why teach anyone any myth? Morality, values and meaning are myths. Dawkins propagates his beliefs like any human. And like many humans he believes his perspective is the true one. Just another televangelist hawking his wares.
Yeah, that´s his point. He´s saying; why should we favour Christianity over the thousands of other Religions out there?
Dawkins believes his perspective is the right one because it is based on evidence, unlike Religion. In that sense his beliefs are very different. People who believe Jesus was resurrected base that belief on faith, not evidence. Hebrews 11 says faith is enough evidence, sounds like crap to me.
@ZeroToOneee Agreed, LOL! I feel sorry for Dawkins. He does all these interviews where he talks to grown adults who have the intellect of a kid reading a storybook.
What is the crap... I dumped R.E at the first opportunity I was given. I find it insulting that these people are allowed to suck up all of our cocking oxygen.
Thats' crazy if you consider the scientific advances in the last 300 years. Surely in - say - 12,000 years it's highly likely that incredible concepts that can't even be imagined now, will be everyday explanations in the future ?
But even if science ends up explaining MOST phenomena, it will still fail to provide the answer to the most basic question: "What OUGHT we to do with it?"
Science certainly allows us to be more precise and careful about doing the RIGHT thing in the "right way"-- but only after we have CHOSEN the RIGHT thing to do in the first place --- which is a question science by itself cannot determine for us.
"It's not based upon evidence from which science benefits. "
Firstly a tool can not benefit. It is just a tool. Tools have no objective meaning. Nor can they invoke or prove meaning in their use. Science is a meaningless tool. Anything beyond this statement is purely philosophical belief.
The only person on YouTube that was partly religious was a 50-something-year-old historian with a thousand times more brains than me. He's an encyclopedia when it comes to a lot of matters. Pity his weird beliefs about not recorded history and being boastful but otherwise the first person that made me think I was wrong in some points.
Otherwise, I'm only offered crap and babble and aggression and superstition and hucpah from religious people.
The human brain is a tool which is faulty and which sees the world differently from every species... Sees, smells and thinks about it differently and science tells you about it. The subjective human brain is not a device that could deduce the ultimate answers better than the experiment-based evidence gathered by scientist.
I'm not saying that science is perfect to answer things like "purpose" but philosophy and theology are much worse options.
"Science brings no evidence of meaning or purpose and without these the tool is useless".
Then what gives you evidence of "meaning" and "purpose"? If you don't know enough about science you miss on some things like psychology and behaviour guided by genes and survival that science talks about.
No philosophy nor theology can give any evidence of meaning or purpose without looking at science. It will be pure babble because "purpose" can philosophically have thousands of meanings.
The term "purpose" is used for those that actually think there is a "purpose". Or think that philosophy can define it. It can't. On some level it's a usefull discipline but you are actually stuck in words and you don't notice it. You're giving me riddles and word games.
If all people used the philosophy of free thought, it would be possible to have a meaningful discussion with them. But as soon as they break this philosophy of free thought it becomes meaningless to discuss with them. As they will only discard facts that are proving them wrong. It seems to me that some people does not care if they are wrong. And this is a problem when it comes to things like morality.
I love dawkins' soft speaking voice. like he's schooling an upstart child who doesn't realize he's making a fool of himself, but doesn't want to offend him
Yes, I agree, he can have a meaningful dialog with a person he disagree with. He come from a place where he tries to understand the opposing side, in stead of just discarding he's point of view. And I think that is a good way to grow and learn. If more people did that, I think there would be less childish believes out there. The believe of your 6-years old mind is not something that necessary is a good believe when you become 20-years older.
Well I guess if Jesus had said: "this is BS, I came up with it last week", it wouldn't have worked. Instead, he said "I am the truth". That's just marketing. Anyway, long live Dawkins! the most patient atheist I know.
Science is a process of testing claims against the empirical world. You advance a hypothesis, and see if it stands up to scrutiny. All scientific claims are falsifiable.
Religion is a set of unargued for conclusions. There is no way to scrutinize or test those beliefs.
There is no aspect of religion that remotely approaches science.
it's funny because i'm a biochemist in my first year of med school and i KNOW intelligent design IS science. You are either a loser or someone who hasn't taken any science classes, there's no stupidity you can say that's gonna take those 4 years of biochemistry away.
Go take science instead of believing what all these idiot say thinking that disproving religion is gonna make them look good, it makes you look like an idiot because religion is obviously a fake, so go take REAL science classes so you see intelligent design IS science.
Here's an easy way to do this. You define science then show how intelligent design displays those characteristics
You have offered nothing resembling an argument, which is precisely how I know you're lying about your credentials. Someone half paying attention in a sophomore chemistry class would understand the basic tenents of the scientific method better than you.
Yes you do, you have to prove your claim. You asserted intelligent design was a scientific concept, therefore the burden is upon you to support that claim. The fact that you haven't even made a semblance of an effort reveals the bad faith of your position: "trust me, it's science." That's a silly thing to say.
ID was a cynical attempt by theists to sneak god back into the classroom after the supreme court denied the legality of teaching creationism. It's unscientific nonsense.
No I don't because any average person with a diploma on any branch of science will know it. Arguing with someone who knows that little of science is not worth having a conversation about a science.
Just amazing, you really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
I'll make it simple for you: all you have to do is find a single peer-reviewed article published in a science journal that argues in favor of ID as a legitimate science.
You won't be able to find one because no scientist on the planet thinks ID is worth anything. Not one.
LOL pwned. I swear, these creationists have some kind of textbook that they pass around detailing how to make the most preposterous claims and then avoid any kind of actual discussion which would instantly reveal what complete imbeciles they are.
idiots like hawkes are amusing, but they are surely incredibly destructive to the progress of an entire generation when they are put in charge of places of learning, authority, etc.
Well there we have it. Jesus is the truth and that is that. No need to question anything, no need to engage in any kind of scientific research, just accept that Jesus is the truth because it's in the bible. I feel really sorry for the kids being educated at Adrian's school.
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You forgot the rest of the statement.
"I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by Me."
Yeshua/Jesus is absolute truth and He came in the flesh and became a central part of the history of mankind. He was first spoken of 6010 years ago when Adam and Eve first sinned. We have actual genealogies from Yeshua/Jesus going back to Adam and Eve.
Yes, there are two separate genealogies in the Bible for Jesus, odd thing however, is that they don't match up, at all. Even if one is for Mary and the other for Joseph they are off by quite a lot, that's some infallible book you've got there.
The two genealogies are two different genealogical lines. They are not off for the simple reason that people often were known by different names by different people at different times.
robotwookie...you claim to be able to provide evidence in the genome to support your view and your argument...then you claim that this is incompatible with the views of the Bible. Yet you are avoiding the inescapable truism that the directing scientist of the human genome project, Francis Collins, is an unwavering Christian. Is there 'no talking to' him either??
"What is truth?" near the end. This guy knows he's teaching a certain world view, which he admits he sees to be one big singular package that shouldn't be compartmentalized, yet wants to claim he's teaching them open-mindedness and to ask questions. But when asked about it, he grins like he's clever and fires off a dodge answer. Some lofty question of truth doesn't change the fact that you knew exactly what Dawkins was asking you contextually and chose to ignore it because it trapped you.
Bah humbug! Evolution was never the best thing going. It has always been the most blind faith belief that was ever illegally introduced into the school system because it never had any basis at all!
I'm not sure how you can say it has no basis. I think you might say that if you disagree regardless of what facts you learn about evolution. I would think you could call that blind faith and that gets us nowhere. Do you disagree?
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Christianity is not blind faith. Christianity has always been based on historical fact and observed realities. Even the obvious truth has to be believed based on some kind of experience or another. Belief in Christ began when Adam and Eve first sinned. That's when God told them about a Savior who would be born of a woman and crush the serpents head. That was 6000 years ago. Every prophecy of Messiah since then has been based on the fact of Christ being born of a woman. ID is an observed reality.
You will not listen to reason. That much is obvious. If your faith makes you happy then I think that's a good thing. However, do not use words like fact and obvious truth. You can support neither.
Intelligent design is an observable fact. It is digital information on the nanoscale that is six feet in length. It is intelligent because we are intelligent. It is design because we exist.
I guess we could continue this in detail and forever but what would be the point. I could point to things in the genome that prove we are descendants of apes. You will not listen. I have evidence, you do not. An ancient book tells you not to use your reason. A book with errors and contradictions. A book that is inconsistent with modern values. There is no talking to you. I'm sure you're the nicest person in the world but you are stubborn. As I was once with religious devotion...
are you talking out of you arse? did you not listen to the guy above you? do you ever think 'dam, there is gene that directly links us to apes, i will read about this to see how true it is'. you read it and find out it is, then what do you day? i am interested.
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Evolution is a bunch of nonsense and there is no proof of it ever happening. It is all just propaganda and wishful thinking with no evidence. It is not science. It is not factual. It is ridiculous.
Mutations do not account for the variation of species so there is no evolution. The variation of species is part of the preexisting design that was already there. You can't make proteins without proteins and the information to make them already in place. Even a child can understand that.
i've read your post and cannot believe how short sighted it is. you are entitled to your beliefs as we all are bit i think you are being very ignorant because of your chosen faith.
''Mutations do not account for the variation of species so there is no evolution'' - does not mean there is no evolution.
no evidence? what about fossils? what about fossil? can you answer that very simple question?
you are either cluless or brainwashed. 'the flood'. there was no flood as the bible describes. how can a flood 'bury' marine animals, surely they would thrive in a flood.
fossils can be traced back hundreds of millions of years, how do you explain that? really, how do you explain that? because it undermines everything the bible says about time scales if nothing else. you cant answer that question logically but i would like to see you try.
i dont even know why youre bothering with this, because in the bible it clearly states that you shouldnt try to argue about the existence of god because those who try are using the devils logic and you should ignore them
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I see the harm that the lies of evolution has on people. Evolution conflicts with observable evidence of intelligent design. As much as evolution conflicts with reality, we all have an obligation to expose the baseless assertions because it gives people an unfounded basis to slander Christianity. We have an obligation to lift up the standard (if you know what that means).
the design argument is a joke. for it to work you already need to believe in a creator. you say the world is so complex, so vast, and so beautiful that a designer must have created it. this should be put in the dictionary as a perfect example of a non-sequitur. you could just as easily say the world is complex, vast, and beautiful and a designer didnt create it
Wrong, who the Creator is has nothing to do with the observable fact that there is a Creator. There is also a difference between information and information that is a result of intelligence.
Even the most basic elements to carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen an sulfur were designed to function as well as they do in all life forms on the nanoscale. That means the whole Universe made up of those same elements is by design.
At around 1:35 Mr Hawkes begins a short litany of events and processes which he claims people blame on the failure of science. Each of the things he mentions is in reality a failure of the people themselves.
"He said, 'I am the truth!' I can't say that." Sure you can. And you could probably get a pretty large following if you traveled enough and said it enough times.
bgiv2010 2 weeks ago
They're not exactly having a "debate". He interviewed many people in his documentary and he wasn't as well known at the time.
Incurafy 3 weeks ago
taking critical thinking.... wow this guy just performed all types of fallacy in that chapter!!!
iyot1020 2 months ago
wtf? "i don't like separation" ironic when part 1 tells us he's separated every student into separate cubicles. inconsistent much ... just liek the bible
devilpizza123 3 months ago
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
Bloody hell, Dawkins, my admiration for you has increased exponentially. How do you remain so polite in the face of this nonsense?
Good for you, sir.
JohnHalladay1 4 months ago 2
This guy seems sooo confused. (Not dawkins)
SamLewisJones 5 months ago
i like how Adrian says he doesn't think the class should be separated into separate compartments! When all the children are separate into their own cubicals! lmfao!
sarahthedevil666 5 months ago
I take the "trouble" of meeting with muslim friends. "friends" ummmmmmm ? hahaha religion = segregation. "I dont like keeping things seperate" um yeah you do. you only teach the "truth" of christianity lol does anyone else see that whenever professor Dawkins says "yes" it sounds like he's saying shut the fuck up ? LOL
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Humans are so amazing, in 100k years we've went from spearmen to people like Dawkins, creating and thinking. Then there's others who destroy and cock-block human progress. But we must not war with them. It's as simple as ignoring those lies, just as they ignore the truth.
quidnick 5 months ago
@quidnick stupid atheist. You guys all say the same stupid crap.
idiallin 5 months ago
@idiallin whats so stupid about atheists? religious people have no evidence for god. When you pick up a ball and drop it, you know why it falls. science has given you everything. learn to appreciate it. religious people pray to god until they break a leg, and then they go to a doctor. lol why dont you just pray to god to heal it? because god does nothing. thats why. another human being can actually help. dont you see that we need to work together. all we have is each other. peace for humanity
CloverCATOREE 5 months ago
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ThanksDoctorThoctor 6 months ago
Religion is like taking a test and filling in the blanks with what comforts you instead of what is actually known or admitting that you don't know. How healthy would it be if people believed in Santa Claus from childhood until the day they die, old and gray in the nursing home... despite the fact that he stopped bringing you presents when you moved out of your parents home? It's the same insulting unsubstantiated "naughty or nice" father figure scenario carried on with religion.
Damienf77 7 months ago
Tell me he did NOT just hide behind "what is truth"?
Whatsifsowhatsit 8 months ago
People who are lying always like to talk about different "kinds" of "truth" and different "ways" of talking about "truth." They're all just liars.
ReedYoung 9 months ago
"Someone who believes in science thinks this way..."
Adrian Hawkes
What a profound statement that is. The great thing about science, Mr. Hawkes, is that science does not require your belief, it just IS.
“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” – Thomas Paine
BGGibs 10 months ago
@BGGibs Lol, yeah! Hawkes is SO freaky! He KNOWS IT'S TRUE!!
DoctorNociceptor 9 months ago
Haha, I liked his comment "what is truth?" when really pushed by Dawkins :P shows a manner of evasion which I find admirable.
Solensherre 11 months ago
I love those debates, but I'm having a hard time figuring out why creationists accept to debate with Dawkins, while they perfectly know they will look dumb and will be presented as dumb to Dawkins' target audience. I know they sincerely think their arguments are valid, but still, they know Dawkins reputation.
They can't be that stupid... can they?
Clorwall 1 year ago 12
@Clorwall Well.... they believe in a god don´t they??? :-D there´s your answer my friend ;-)
marginatus 1 year ago
@Clorwall They are creationists... aren't they? You have asked a self-answering question.
namrawmij 2 months ago
Professor Dawkins is clearly finding it hard to find worthy advesaries...sigh, this chap seems like your run of the mill guy, not the debate type :s.. nice enough chap though.
JayDee98765 1 year ago 2
Everytime Richard Dawkins says "Yes" I think he is saying, "Yes, you are perhaps the dumbest person I have ever met".
caddy38 1 year ago 2
i love the way dawkins looks at him. a mixture of astonishment and comtempt.
loz1023 1 year ago 21
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homsarshat 3 months ago
@loz1023 Dawkins is one stupid half baked intelecual and idiot.I dont even need to learn english to see the fakeness nd godless new age satanism he promote.RICHARD DAWKINS IS NO EVEN SMART AND ANSTAIN WAS A GENIUSE>ANSTAIN BELIEVED IN GOD you lil ignorant idiots and new age retards
mastakur 3 months ago
@mastakur eat my ass.
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Syrick 1 year ago
This guy is the david brent of christians
Shadowtosh1227 1 year ago
How can you be an adult and have faith??? I'm only 19 and I've realized religion is a myth, just like I stopped believing in Santa Clause when I was 7. I just live my life I don't need religion.
clay10h 1 year ago
@clay10h i think its actually easier, to lose your faith when youre young and gets harder as the years pass
Crosell 1 year ago
I love listening to Dawkins' debates, he argues brilliantly and then his slight traces of contempt for his creationist counterparts sometimes sparkling through... great!
atheistfromaustria 1 year ago
"What is truth?"
"Well if you don't know what truth IS, why am I debating you, much less expecting any of it FROM you?"
rkyeun 1 year ago
why is richard dawkins wasting his time with this guy?!
nait08 1 year ago
I think this guy is funny
Marko767 1 year ago
I love how throughout the entire interview you can see Dawkins thinking to himself, "My god, I'm speaking with an idiot". He seems to be unable to fathom the complete lack of intellect the other guys has.
tylerand 1 year ago
Religion should just stick to the literature curriculum. If one thinks that biblical text is compatible with science, then one will have to include a whole list of other religious texts just for the sake of fairness. That would be disastrous.
LameCrippled 1 year ago
Now this is hilarious. Dawkins asks: why do you teach the bible's stories instead of other stories. Hawkes: because they are in the bible. Gee I wonder whether he would accept such "evidence" in a murder trial.
sondano 1 year ago
Adrian Hawkes is terrifying, he doesn't even have the ability to think critically - scientific truth is not a matter of opinion! He just wants to program those children to see the world just as he does. He never questions his own teachers!
sixtonshark 1 year ago
Was David Brent based on this guy?
andywaggott 1 year ago
Matt Diluhunty would eat this man, chew him and spit him out.
Domzdream 1 year ago
"I've taken 'the trouble' recently to 'sort of' have meals with some musilm 'friends'".
Good one. Not pretentious or insincere in any way.
3LARI 1 year ago
Dawkins has the patience of a saint.
Paulisntdead 1 year ago 2
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hahaha. I agree. He's having an adult disussion with a man who believes in winged demons, fire breathing dragons, talking snakes, etc. It's like having a conversation with a child about which superhero is the real one and which one is not. I'd be tearing my hair out by now.
I'd love to see a speach bubble oer dawkin's head, to what he's actually thinking during the 'debate'.
Domzdream 1 year ago 3
@Domzdream If they had the though bubbles it would be censored. I’ve never heard Prof Dawkins swear let alone call someone a brain dead retarded fuckwit, which I’m sure is what he is thinking.
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
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Oh, I'm sure of it! I'd be.
All the more reasons to admire the man and his proffessionality.
Domzdream 1 year ago
@Domzdream lol agreed. But we English would say professionalism.
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
@FLUSEM666
I was wondering about that hahaha. I was thinking earlier on. Someone WILL correct me on this. I hang my head in shame.
Good thing I'm Polish, not English haha.
Domzdream 1 year ago
@Domzdream I think living in America has had an adverse effect on your English, they make words up as the go. But who cares, I fully understood what you said.
I wish you well!
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
@Paulisntdead Maybe but he also lets people have more than enough rope to hang themselves before tightening his grip and going for the kill.
FLUSEM666 1 year ago
Dawkins looks so annyoed and pissed with this guy.... Hes kind of scary.
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
Dawkins is too softly softly.
LouisPlume 1 year ago
@LouisPlume Yet he is constantly criticised for being 'strident' and 'hysterical.'
MoonPhase94 1 year ago
richard dawkins is a god! lol
LAFILLEdead 1 year ago
nice double standard:
science doesnt know everything => reject science altogether.
religion was never right and often wrong => religion is the truth.
omnissient 1 year ago
Lol I feel sorry for the other guy he has no chance vs the big Dawkster.
J0RDSKI 1 year ago
If David Brent was a religious education teacher........
davb3131 1 year ago
"the best science that was going at the time"? Come on, Dr. Dawkins. That wasn't science--that was pure speculation. It was speculation based on what? A philosophical assumption--not a comparison of the elements on the moon and in the Pacific Ocean.
What about today, is "the best science" we have today likewise made up of such speculations?
"Life is a whole" --yes!
MorganMarvinson 1 year ago
Because it comes from the bible, I guess. *DROOOOOOOOL*
OspacemarineO 1 year ago
@OspacemarineO hahahaha i know
marianiiina 1 year ago
Dawkins is unusually patient in this clip..
gcowings 1 year ago
@gcowings Dawkins is a Jedi Master. He has learned to push his hatred back and remain calm, even when talking with triple-wart-faced faggots.
ReturnedGrazzt 1 year ago 3
@ReturnedGrazzt Haha, I love your comment. Ever since I encountered Dawkins, read his works and watched his interviews+lectures I felt he's a Jedi Master!
The Force is definitely with Dawkins...
derunausstehlichekid 1 year ago
I love the way that Dawkins just says "Riiight... Mmm, yes..." as this weirdo rants and raves.
SchoolGuy2 1 year ago
@SchoolGuy2 hes channeling his anger
marianiiina 1 year ago
Couldn't these videos have been uploaded at 10 minutes per? instead of 5...
Tsteve08 1 year ago
Hawkes doesn't like to "put things in little compartments", yet the children are placed in individual cubicles to follow lessons. Contradiction!!
guyfawkes13 1 year ago
This Hawkes guy needs to read Joseph Campbell's works on myth. And though I agree more with Dawkins, he would also benefit from being familiar with Campbell's writings...
guyfawkes13 1 year ago
This Hawkes guy is way more more reasonable and open-minded than many Christians I ever encountered. So, this video isn't too bad.
Snookimichev 1 year ago
i realy dont like this guy , the religious guy
ovandocarter 1 year ago
once this schooling is over what kind of qualifications to the kids come away with?
iouakick 1 year ago
Dawkins is wasting his time.
secondthoughts420 1 year ago
Why would Dawkins want to argue with this guy? It's embarrasing to watch.
ducroisjosef 2 years ago
he's not arguing, he's interviewing for a TV program
Nemesis000000 2 years ago
I've watched the other parts of this series since. I didn't realize that the purpose of the conversation was an interview (which in this case certainly resembles an argument). Thanks for the clarification.
ducroisjosef 2 years ago
@ducroisjosef Because it highlights the stupidity of creationists beliefs and more importantly the poison that relgion spouts.
roac7777 1 year ago
It's embarrasing because he is using reason to challange conventional thinking, its allways embarrasing when your beliefs dont hold up to scrutiny.
Botie2 1 year ago
Still dont get why noahs ark would be in a science text book? That would be like all the sudden mentioning somthing logical,or etical between the killing and suffering in the bible. makes no sense.
groovyengineer 2 years ago
When you have to ask your intellectual opponent the definition of 'truth', your argument probably isn't headed anywhere relevant.
DrHarryDickman 2 years ago
I don't think Dawkins addressed the issue correctly. His defense for teaching a myth is that things he learned in science class before became a myth. This does not imply the reverse, that something known as a myth through science has late come to be discovered that its scientifically true.
n800064447 2 years ago
I love Richards comment:
Not exactly histioric accidents, We were taught the best thing at the time.
The key here is that it was WRONG and BELIEVED but still taught.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
I love the way dawkins in these interviews, at the beginning is quite ready for an intellectual debate of sorts, and slowly, over time, he realises this is yet another moron, and he can just switch his brain off, and autopilot his way through an arguement he's heard thousands of times =p
sketchydc 2 years ago 2
Yes ... Yes ... Yes ... brilliant.
Mookawonga4kGGakka 2 years ago
"the best science that was going at the time"...oh great ...thanks for that bit of intellectual prowess.....dawkins is a Goon !!!
lunabirdie 2 years ago
Dawkins: "Why teach the children that myth? Rather than a Nigerian myth or an Indian myth?"
Hawkes: "Because it comes from the Bible I guess"
Facepalm, that is all need be said.
cornflakeclusters 2 years ago 6
"Dawkins: "Why teach the children that myth? Rather than a Nigerian myth or an Indian myth?"
Why teach anyone any myth? Morality, values and meaning are myths. Dawkins propagates his beliefs like any human. And like many humans he believes his perspective is the true one. Just another televangelist hawking his wares.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
"Why teach anyone any myth?"
Yeah, that´s his point. He´s saying; why should we favour Christianity over the thousands of other Religions out there?
Dawkins believes his perspective is the right one because it is based on evidence, unlike Religion. In that sense his beliefs are very different. People who believe Jesus was resurrected base that belief on faith, not evidence. Hebrews 11 says faith is enough evidence, sounds like crap to me.
cornflakeclusters 2 years ago
Dawkins vs a retard
ZeroToOneee 2 years ago 69
@ZeroToOneee Agreed, LOL! I feel sorry for Dawkins. He does all these interviews where he talks to grown adults who have the intellect of a kid reading a storybook.
ReturnedGrazzt 1 year ago 2
@ZeroToOneee same as always though...
roblightyeah 1 year ago
@ZeroToOneee lmao thank you
soadfan 1 year ago
@ZeroToOneee Oh now now, come on. geez. At least he is not like the rest of the Christians.
Videos4USArmy 1 year ago
What is the crap... I dumped R.E at the first opportunity I was given. I find it insulting that these people are allowed to suck up all of our cocking oxygen.
KaelHunter 2 years ago
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atheistfriends 2 years ago
Never ?
Thats' crazy if you consider the scientific advances in the last 300 years. Surely in - say - 12,000 years it's highly likely that incredible concepts that can't even be imagined now, will be everyday explanations in the future ?
skankystu 2 years ago 2
But even if science ends up explaining MOST phenomena, it will still fail to provide the answer to the most basic question: "What OUGHT we to do with it?"
Science certainly allows us to be more precise and careful about doing the RIGHT thing in the "right way"-- but only after we have CHOSEN the RIGHT thing to do in the first place --- which is a question science by itself cannot determine for us.
gromitwallaby 2 years ago
"Never ?
Thats' crazy if you consider the scientific advances in the last 300 years."
Correct, never. Science is not philosophy. Science can only answer mechanically how.
It can never objectively answer if a glass is half full/ empty or what it means. To believe so is crazy.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
Philosophy is babble, babble, babble and it's based upon logic, sometimes twisted logic. It's not based upon evidence from which science benefits.
Drakon222 2 years ago
"It's not based upon evidence from which science benefits. "
Firstly a tool can not benefit. It is just a tool. Tools have no objective meaning. Nor can they invoke or prove meaning in their use. Science is a meaningless tool. Anything beyond this statement is purely philosophical belief.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
Your statement is very philosophical. I can tell briefly why science is a better tool than philosophy and theology.
1) Science - based upon evidence gathered through conducting load of experiments. Logic has it part too.
2) Philosophy - is basically pure logical reflexions that don't take much into account faulty logic and don't care that much about science.
3) Theology - faulty logic and a refusal to change views when encountering better arguments.
Drakon222 2 years ago
"I can tell briefly why science is a better tool"
"better tool"
It is a tool. Nothing more. It's "betterness" is a matter of philosophical belief. Not fact.
Philosophy is an educated rectums politically correct way of stating their theology and feeling better about it.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
I use no philosophy here. And if by "rectums" you mean "assholes", I agree. :)
But I see that even to the quality of the word "better" you have a too sophisticated approach for me.
Drakon222 2 years ago
The only person on YouTube that was partly religious was a 50-something-year-old historian with a thousand times more brains than me. He's an encyclopedia when it comes to a lot of matters. Pity his weird beliefs about not recorded history and being boastful but otherwise the first person that made me think I was wrong in some points.
Otherwise, I'm only offered crap and babble and aggression and superstition and hucpah from religious people.
Drakon222 2 years ago
"I'm only offered crap and babble and aggression and superstition and hucpah from religious people."
Why should anyone offer you anything? There are plenty of philosophers who will serve you their version of reality. They preach it religiously.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
The human brain is a tool which is faulty and which sees the world differently from every species... Sees, smells and thinks about it differently and science tells you about it. The subjective human brain is not a device that could deduce the ultimate answers better than the experiment-based evidence gathered by scientist.
I'm not saying that science is perfect to answer things like "purpose" but philosophy and theology are much worse options.
Drakon222 2 years ago
"The human brain is a tool which is faulty"
Can be seen as a faulty tool by philosophical perspective.
"The subjective human brain is not a device that could deduce the ultimate answers better than the experiment-based evidence gathered by scientist."
This is based on a philosophical belief in ultimate answers. Science does not touch meaning or purpose.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
The only meaning or purpose there is - is the one that you decide there is. Life is meaningless, you have to add meaning to it yourself.
Science doesn't give you the ultimate answers but, time and again, it tells you about probabilities.
If you deny evidence that science brings you then go ahead - be satisfied with philosophical answers and theories.
Drakon222 2 years ago
"If you deny evidence that science brings you then go ahead"
Science brings no evidence of meaning or purpose and without these the tool is useless.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
"Science brings no evidence of meaning or purpose and without these the tool is useless".
Then what gives you evidence of "meaning" and "purpose"? If you don't know enough about science you miss on some things like psychology and behaviour guided by genes and survival that science talks about.
No philosophy nor theology can give any evidence of meaning or purpose without looking at science. It will be pure babble because "purpose" can philosophically have thousands of meanings.
Drakon222 2 years ago 3
The term "purpose" is used for those that actually think there is a "purpose". Or think that philosophy can define it. It can't. On some level it's a usefull discipline but you are actually stuck in words and you don't notice it. You're giving me riddles and word games.
Drakon222 2 years ago
"You're giving me riddles and word games. "
That's because that is all there is.
Twicebakedtaters 2 years ago
your dumb
FIGHTFANNERD3 2 years ago
If all people used the philosophy of free thought, it would be possible to have a meaningful discussion with them. But as soon as they break this philosophy of free thought it becomes meaningless to discuss with them. As they will only discard facts that are proving them wrong. It seems to me that some people does not care if they are wrong. And this is a problem when it comes to things like morality.
moegreen2 2 years ago 4
I love dawkins' soft speaking voice. like he's schooling an upstart child who doesn't realize he's making a fool of himself, but doesn't want to offend him
jarshale 2 years ago 3
Yes, I agree, he can have a meaningful dialog with a person he disagree with. He come from a place where he tries to understand the opposing side, in stead of just discarding he's point of view. And I think that is a good way to grow and learn. If more people did that, I think there would be less childish believes out there. The believe of your 6-years old mind is not something that necessary is a good believe when you become 20-years older.
moegreen2 2 years ago 2
More like he doesn't want to sound too arrogent because he knows he's full of it and wouldn't want to pull his foot too far out of his mouth.
Dejavu12321 2 years ago
Well I guess if Jesus had said: "this is BS, I came up with it last week", it wouldn't have worked. Instead, he said "I am the truth". That's just marketing. Anyway, long live Dawkins! the most patient atheist I know.
emsagro12 2 years ago
Says a lot for atheists....
Dejavu12321 2 years ago
Can't keep anything separate? Can't teach science in one class and history of religion in another?
Better combine PE, language arts, and music into one class then. Because it's so horrible to keep things separate.
TBlake34 2 years ago
as much of an atheist as i am, creationism IS science. religions try to give a story assuming creationism is correct, but creationism IS science.
JoseMarti28 2 years ago
Not even close.
Science is a process of testing claims against the empirical world. You advance a hypothesis, and see if it stands up to scrutiny. All scientific claims are falsifiable.
Religion is a set of unargued for conclusions. There is no way to scrutinize or test those beliefs.
There is no aspect of religion that remotely approaches science.
TBlake34 2 years ago
there is no way to test evolution, big bang, etc. you are certainly wrong, Intelligent Design IS science, even Dawkins agrees with it.
JoseMarti28 2 years ago
Haha, wow, just WOW.
Evolution testing: fossil record, DNA evidence, wide ranging bio-diversity. All testible forms of evidence.
Big Bang: Red shift, movement of galaxies, and every study of the fundamental laws of physics support the theory. All testible, falsifiable ideas.
Intelligent Design: stupid ideas, like irreduceable complexity, that are logically fallacious with ZERO empirical support.
I hope you're young because there's no other acceptible reason for being that ignorant.
TBlake34 2 years ago 4
Part 1
it's funny because i'm a biochemist in my first year of med school and i KNOW intelligent design IS science. You are either a loser or someone who hasn't taken any science classes, there's no stupidity you can say that's gonna take those 4 years of biochemistry away.
JoseMarti28 2 years ago
Part 1:
Lies. Either you're a terrible student, or you're making shit up.
You can repeat over and over that intelligent design is science, but unless you're able to substantiate the claim, it's worthless.
What does intelligent design predict? What experiments have verified those predictions?
You have nothing, it's obvious. You're either 12 or retarded.
TBlake34 2 years ago 17
Part 2
Go take science instead of believing what all these idiot say thinking that disproving religion is gonna make them look good, it makes you look like an idiot because religion is obviously a fake, so go take REAL science classes so you see intelligent design IS science.
JoseMarti28 2 years ago
Part 2:
Confused bullshit.
Here's an easy way to do this. You define science then show how intelligent design displays those characteristics
You have offered nothing resembling an argument, which is precisely how I know you're lying about your credentials. Someone half paying attention in a sophomore chemistry class would understand the basic tenents of the scientific method better than you.
TBlake34 2 years ago 3
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I have NOTHING to prove to you, go take science classes.
JoseMarti28 2 years ago
Yes you do, you have to prove your claim. You asserted intelligent design was a scientific concept, therefore the burden is upon you to support that claim. The fact that you haven't even made a semblance of an effort reveals the bad faith of your position: "trust me, it's science." That's a silly thing to say.
ID was a cynical attempt by theists to sneak god back into the classroom after the supreme court denied the legality of teaching creationism. It's unscientific nonsense.
TBlake34 2 years ago 3
No I don't because any average person with a diploma on any branch of science will know it. Arguing with someone who knows that little of science is not worth having a conversation about a science.
JoseMarti28 2 years ago
Just amazing, you really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
I'll make it simple for you: all you have to do is find a single peer-reviewed article published in a science journal that argues in favor of ID as a legitimate science.
You won't be able to find one because no scientist on the planet thinks ID is worth anything. Not one.
TBlake34 2 years ago 4
LOL pwned. I swear, these creationists have some kind of textbook that they pass around detailing how to make the most preposterous claims and then avoid any kind of actual discussion which would instantly reveal what complete imbeciles they are.
kyebean 2 years ago 4
Man's science will never be able to explain the humanly unkowable existance we live in to the piont they can rule out any after life.
-OBE experiencer.
Dejavu12321 2 years ago
Dude I didn`t even read past "i KNOW intelligent design IS science."
FranzKarlWeber 2 years ago 12
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@JoseMarti28 it is not science, there is not evidence in the slightest
Marko767 1 year ago
idiots like hawkes are amusing, but they are surely incredibly destructive to the progress of an entire generation when they are put in charge of places of learning, authority, etc.
demondayzzz 2 years ago
I'm sure Dawkins wanted to strangle this guy out of sheer frustration.
rba718 2 years ago
Adrian Hawkes is a walking shit storm
SaintBlade 2 years ago
At 4:27: Richard is disgusted with this person and wishes he had his afternoon back.
Kridian01 2 years ago 2
Hawkes is the David Brent of the Christians - you can't take him seriously. I wonder if he takes himself seriously.
sozialprodukt 2 years ago
I am the truth, believe me!
SelfInterestServes 2 years ago
4:55 Dawkins is holding back laughter. xD
vEcks01 2 years ago
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick, "How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later", 1978
MilesB1975 2 years ago
Well there we have it. Jesus is the truth and that is that. No need to question anything, no need to engage in any kind of scientific research, just accept that Jesus is the truth because it's in the bible. I feel really sorry for the kids being educated at Adrian's school.
FreeAnalyst 3 years ago 3
the end of this clip is hilarious!!
"Jesus said 'I am the truth'" "em yes, yeah yes"
Invirtuo 3 years ago
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You forgot the rest of the statement.
"I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by Me."
Yeshua/Jesus is absolute truth and He came in the flesh and became a central part of the history of mankind. He was first spoken of 6010 years ago when Adam and Eve first sinned. We have actual genealogies from Yeshua/Jesus going back to Adam and Eve.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
Yes, there are two separate genealogies in the Bible for Jesus, odd thing however, is that they don't match up, at all. Even if one is for Mary and the other for Joseph they are off by quite a lot, that's some infallible book you've got there.
rekka360 2 years ago
The two genealogies are two different genealogical lines. They are not off for the simple reason that people often were known by different names by different people at different times.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
robotwookie...you claim to be able to provide evidence in the genome to support your view and your argument...then you claim that this is incompatible with the views of the Bible. Yet you are avoiding the inescapable truism that the directing scientist of the human genome project, Francis Collins, is an unwavering Christian. Is there 'no talking to' him either??
pippinlooly 3 years ago
"What is truth?" near the end. This guy knows he's teaching a certain world view, which he admits he sees to be one big singular package that shouldn't be compartmentalized, yet wants to claim he's teaching them open-mindedness and to ask questions. But when asked about it, he grins like he's clever and fires off a dodge answer. Some lofty question of truth doesn't change the fact that you knew exactly what Dawkins was asking you contextually and chose to ignore it because it trapped you.
kreskinkun 3 years ago
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Truth is that God came and saved us Himself. Any other teaching is not true.
Seekmosttoprophesy 3 years ago
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Bah humbug! Evolution was never the best thing going. It has always been the most blind faith belief that was ever illegally introduced into the school system because it never had any basis at all!
Seekmosttoprophesy 3 years ago
I'm not sure how you can say it has no basis. I think you might say that if you disagree regardless of what facts you learn about evolution. I would think you could call that blind faith and that gets us nowhere. Do you disagree?
robotwookie 3 years ago
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Christianity is not blind faith. Christianity has always been based on historical fact and observed realities. Even the obvious truth has to be believed based on some kind of experience or another. Belief in Christ began when Adam and Eve first sinned. That's when God told them about a Savior who would be born of a woman and crush the serpents head. That was 6000 years ago. Every prophecy of Messiah since then has been based on the fact of Christ being born of a woman. ID is an observed reality.
Seekmosttoprophesy 3 years ago
You will not listen to reason. That much is obvious. If your faith makes you happy then I think that's a good thing. However, do not use words like fact and obvious truth. You can support neither.
robotwookie 3 years ago 4
Intelligent design is an observable fact. It is digital information on the nanoscale that is six feet in length. It is intelligent because we are intelligent. It is design because we exist.
Seekmosttoprophesy 3 years ago
I guess we could continue this in detail and forever but what would be the point. I could point to things in the genome that prove we are descendants of apes. You will not listen. I have evidence, you do not. An ancient book tells you not to use your reason. A book with errors and contradictions. A book that is inconsistent with modern values. There is no talking to you. I'm sure you're the nicest person in the world but you are stubborn. As I was once with religious devotion...
robotwookie 3 years ago
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I have evidence of an intelligent Designer/Creator/God who is greater than every known thing in the entire known universe.
There is no evidence for evolution. ERV's only prove that Creation has fallen from the grace it once had.
Seekmosttoprophesy 3 years ago
are you talking out of you arse? did you not listen to the guy above you? do you ever think 'dam, there is gene that directly links us to apes, i will read about this to see how true it is'. you read it and find out it is, then what do you day? i am interested.
BIGGERLebowski 2 years ago
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Evolution is a bunch of nonsense and there is no proof of it ever happening. It is all just propaganda and wishful thinking with no evidence. It is not science. It is not factual. It is ridiculous.
Mutations do not account for the variation of species so there is no evolution. The variation of species is part of the preexisting design that was already there. You can't make proteins without proteins and the information to make them already in place. Even a child can understand that.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
i've read your post and cannot believe how short sighted it is. you are entitled to your beliefs as we all are bit i think you are being very ignorant because of your chosen faith.
''Mutations do not account for the variation of species so there is no evolution'' - does not mean there is no evolution.
no evidence? what about fossils? what about fossil? can you answer that very simple question?
BIGGERLebowski 2 years ago
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What about fossils?
Fossils are the result of what happened when the flood destroyed the earth and buried the land animals and many of the marine animals.
People are clueless even as to what the issues are!
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
you are either cluless or brainwashed. 'the flood'. there was no flood as the bible describes. how can a flood 'bury' marine animals, surely they would thrive in a flood.
fossils can be traced back hundreds of millions of years, how do you explain that? really, how do you explain that? because it undermines everything the bible says about time scales if nothing else. you cant answer that question logically but i would like to see you try.
BIGGERLebowski 2 years ago 3
i dont even know why youre bothering with this, because in the bible it clearly states that you shouldnt try to argue about the existence of god because those who try are using the devils logic and you should ignore them
tomemery26 3 years ago
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I see the harm that the lies of evolution has on people. Evolution conflicts with observable evidence of intelligent design. As much as evolution conflicts with reality, we all have an obligation to expose the baseless assertions because it gives people an unfounded basis to slander Christianity. We have an obligation to lift up the standard (if you know what that means).
Seekmosttoprophesy 3 years ago
the design argument is a joke. for it to work you already need to believe in a creator. you say the world is so complex, so vast, and so beautiful that a designer must have created it. this should be put in the dictionary as a perfect example of a non-sequitur. you could just as easily say the world is complex, vast, and beautiful and a designer didnt create it
tomemery26 3 years ago 3
Wrong, who the Creator is has nothing to do with the observable fact that there is a Creator. There is also a difference between information and information that is a result of intelligence.
Seekmosttoprophesy 3 years ago
Even the most basic elements to carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen an sulfur were designed to function as well as they do in all life forms on the nanoscale. That means the whole Universe made up of those same elements is by design.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
At around 1:35 Mr Hawkes begins a short litany of events and processes which he claims people blame on the failure of science. Each of the things he mentions is in reality a failure of the people themselves.
TeaDbluJay 3 years ago 4
david brent!!!
lambystuff 3 years ago 3