This clip is not in Yiddish or Hebrew, but German. Most of the original dialogue of this classic Israeli comedy film is in Hebrew, however,this excerpt was apparently dubbed into German for export to German-speaking markets.
The original movie was in Hebrew, neither German nor Yiddish. This clip is dubbed into regular, standard German (not Yiddish). Probably for export to Gemran/Austria/Switzerland.
Doesn't sound like Hochdeutch to me, but you are right it neither sounds really like Yiddish when
I listen again. But Yiddish is an Alemmanic language like Swiss and Austrian German. I think the bumpkin was dubbed with a more Yiddish sounding dialect or Austrian perhaps. Funny.
The "bumpkin" is the main eponymous character, Sallah Shabbati, and his character (played by Israeli actor Chaim Topol) is supposed to be a North African Jewish immigrant to Israel. In the Hebrew original, his Hebrew is pronounced with a typical "Oriental" Mizrahi Jewish accent in Hebrew--I think in the German dubbed version, they just gave him a foreign Arabic-sounding accent
Not sure which dialect they gave Sallah, but it sure as hell isn't arabic ...LOL. Definitely German, trust me I know that much. Not just German but they are using a dialect similar to Yiddish as Yiddish, Swiss German, Austrian German and Bavarian are all related to some degree.
You misunderstood me. I didn't say Sallah was speaking Arabic, but rather that he was speaking standard German (what you erroneously refer to as "Hochdeutsch", which linguistically speaking has a different meaning from "standard German") with an Arabic accent. Have you ever heard a native Arabic-speaker speak German? I have. It does not sound too different from the German voice actor who dubbed over the original Oriental Hebrew accent that Topol did for his role as Sallah Shabbati.
I didn't misunderstand you. To me he did not sound like an arab speaking German. The accent sounded to me like a southern German dialect; some High German dialect like Schweizerdeutsch or Yiddish or Bavarian.
No I have never heard an arab speaking German. Even the concept is odd to me, LOL.
Standard German IS Hochdeutch. Standard German is NOT High German as in "Alemannic" German like Yiddish or Austrian German for example or Austrian. But I am not an expert ...
I'm not 100% fluent in German, but had 3 years of high school German in NY and 2 semesters of college German (although it's more than 20 years since I've studied it formally) and get by in it well enough speaking to German tourists in NY and Israel and when I've gone to Vienna, where my mother has cousins. The accent doesn't sound Austrian, and it sounds pretty much like standard German--albeit it with an accent, which as I said is an ACTOR'S interpretation of "foreign"
@Lagolop re: "No I have never heard an arab speaking German. Even the concept is odd to me,"
When you go to Germany, (or Austria or Switzerland) you find people of all sorts of ethnicities who speak German, just as you find people of all sorts of ethnicities who speak French in Paris or Montreal or English in NY or Toronto (and for that matter, in Israel, one can go to Tel Aviv and hear Hebrew spoken with a Thai or Filipino accent). The world is a globalized place.
Yes and no--Hochdeutsch also refers to certain dialects spoken in the highlands (as opposed to the lowlands dialects like Plattdeutsch)--and is erroneously confused with standard German--distinguish it from the dialects like the Bavarian dialects (Boarisch) or Swiss (Schwyzerdütsch). When you talk about those dialects it's not only a matter of accent--it's also a matter of grammar and vocabulary--and his grammar and vocabulary was standard German.
Yes I realize. But Hochdeutch IS Standard Modern German & sounds different for all the reasons u pointed out. OTOH, Yiddish, Bairisch, Swiss, Austrian, Bavarian r all High Germans (as spoken typically in the Alps). They r different from "standard" Hochdeutch in grammar & accent , words & expressions. For example in Yiddish or Bavarian the word Krom = store but in Hochdeutch the word = Speicher (I think). A bar in Yiddish or Austrian or Bavarian = Krethcma, in German = "taverne"
There are many non-native speakers of German, who bring over their own native language's accent when they speak German. Thus there are is such a thing as an Arabic accent in German, go to a neighborhood in Berlin that has immigrants or Gastarbeiter from the Middle East and you will hear it. This movie was made in the 1960s (when there were not as many Arab immigrants in Germany) and was dubbed into German then. It's merely a 1960s German voice actor's idea of what an Arabic accent is.
"As a Zionist, I prefer more Arabs in Germany and more Jews in Israel!"
Ironic, the Germans are trying to encourage Jews to return and are trying to find ways to get rid of the arabs. Europe has made it's collective bed and will now have to sleep in it :(
If I was a Jew of German heritage, the last place I'd want to go is where there are arabs. Look at what is happening in Malmo Sweden. Jews are leaving there in droves. Ironic since Yiddish is considered a Swedish heritage language.
@Lagolop re: "If I was a Jew of German heritage, the last place I'd want to go is where there are arabs. "
There's pretty much Arabs and Muslims everywhere. On a personal level, I've mostly always had good interactions with Arabs, both in NYC and even here in Jerusalem where I live now. When I've traveled to Europe, the same. I think a lot of Arab immigrants in Europe and the States do assimilate and integrate, but there is a high percentage of loudmouths and miscreants who grab attention
"but there is a high percentage of loudmouths and miscreants who grab attention"
You mean "excrement" don't ya ...LOL. actually I have had little interaction with arabs. There is few where I live although they are beginning to come here. I shouldn't even say "arabs"; I mean muslims.
I am very pro Israel (and pro Jewish) and of course, most muslims are not. There is that basic polarity.
@Lagolop "Look at what is happening in Malmo Sweden. Jews are leaving there in droves"
It's not like Malmo ever had such a large Jewish population for them to leave in "droves", and most of them cross over to Copenhagen, Denmark or go to Stockholm. It would be better for more to make aliyah, which would be a positive outcome!
The POINT is, Jews have lived in Europe since 600 BC. They've lived in Sweden long enough for the government to make Yiddish, a heritage language. NOW, they don't feel safe in Malmo where they have lived for hundreds of years.
As far as making aliya; I think that is an individual decision. It's nice that Jewish people have that option but they should do so because they want to, NOT because they feel too threatened to stay in Sweden.
@Lagolop "Ironic since Yiddish is considered a Swedish heritage language." As for Yiddish being a "Swedish heritage language." It's only because at one time Jews were a statistically significant immigrant group to Sweden and previous governments wanted to make a show of being inclusive and welcoming. One day the same sentiment will apply to making Arabic and Kurdish official too. I'd prefer more Swedish Jews making aliya and learning Hebrew than staying in Sweden and speaking Yiddish!
I understand your views. But the Yids have contributed to Europe in ways that have made ALL benefit (not just Jews). They assimilated and gave their innovations to everyone to enjoy.
What "innovations have the muslims given the planet; breakthroughs in suicide bombing and terrorism.?
I doubt the Swedes will be rushing to make arabic an "official heritage language" regardless how many invade Sweden.
@Lagolop "But the Yids have contributed to Europe in ways that have made ALL benefit (not just Jews). They assimilated and gave their innovations to everyone to enjoy."
As a Zionist, personally I'm against assimilation. But the fact is that Jews in Europe for most of their history did not assimilate--they lived in ghettoes which were self-imposed as often as much as they were enforced by the Gentile governments. It wasn't until the Haskala era that European Jews started to assimilate
@Lagolop re: "The Swedish Jews speak Swedish and probably few still know Yiddish :("
Like in the USA and the UK, in Sweden only the haredim and some aging secular Jews still actively use Yiddish, aside from some Quixotic young folks who are active in the Yiddish revival movement. Granted, Yiddish once had a vibrant culture, but I don't understand how people can advocate on its behalf over Hebrew, which unites Jews of all backgrounds--whether Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, etc.
"Yiddish once had a vibrant culture, but I don't understand how people can advocate on its behalf over Hebrew, which unites Jews of all backgrounds--whether Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, etc."
Hebrew only unites all Jews in Israel. All t jose various groups of Jews spoke different languages. Yiddish, it is a huge part of the culture of European Jewry. To deny it is to deny Ashkenazi tradition. :Language defines culture; take it away and you take away that culture.
Listen @ 8:05 Sheyne tokhter. Dos iz Yid shprakh, neyn? LOL.
But I do agree he is not speaking Yiddish all the time, just another High German. OTOH, as I said before, Yiddish is similar to other forms of High German so maybe they were mixing it up a bit for fun when they dubbed.
"As a Zionist, I prefer more Arabs in Germany and more Jews in Israel!"
Ironic, Germany is trying to encourage Jews to return, & is trying to find ways to get rid of arabs. Europe has made it's collective bed and will now have to sleep in it :(
If I was a Jew of German heritage, the last place I'd want to go is where there r arabs. Look at what is happening in Malmo Sweden. Jews are leaving there in droves. Ironic since Yiddish is considered a Swedish heritage language.
@1001 Nights, Muslims in Israel have a life 1000 times better and fairer then in any Muslim country in the world. Christians in Israel the same, they are citizens with all the rights intact, opposite to many Muslim countries where they are banned, persecuted or murdered. Israel was founded by the general consensus of the UN and at the same time a Palestinian country was created too, Jordan. What you are spewing here is senseless hatred based on lies, ignorance and malice. Hope you burn in Hell!
Someone please, I even BEG, make english subtitles for that..
86ntx86 6 days ago
I wish this has English subtitles--I don't know Yiddish or Hebrew very well (ironically I am Jewish, but I never learned Hebrew).
harrietamidala1691 9 months ago
@harrietamidala1691 they speak normal german with a little accent
aikiy123 6 months ago
@harrietamidala1691
This clip is not in Yiddish or Hebrew, but German. Most of the original dialogue of this classic Israeli comedy film is in Hebrew, however,this excerpt was apparently dubbed into German for export to German-speaking markets.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
i hope when i enter the pearly gates ephraim kishon will stand there to shake my hand...
markuslebt 1 year ago
Most of this sounds pure Yiddish to me but some sounds like standard German words or maybe another form of High German like Yiddish.
Lagolop 1 year ago
@Lagolop
The original movie was in Hebrew, neither German nor Yiddish. This clip is dubbed into regular, standard German (not Yiddish). Probably for export to Gemran/Austria/Switzerland.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
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Lagolop 5 months ago
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Doesn't sound like Hochdeutch to me, but you are right it neither sounds really like Yiddish when
I listen again. But Yiddish is an Alemmanic language like Swiss and Austrian German. I think the bumpkin was dubbed with a more Yiddish sounding dialect or Austrian perhaps. Funny.
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop
The "bumpkin" is the main eponymous character, Sallah Shabbati, and his character (played by Israeli actor Chaim Topol) is supposed to be a North African Jewish immigrant to Israel. In the Hebrew original, his Hebrew is pronounced with a typical "Oriental" Mizrahi Jewish accent in Hebrew--I think in the German dubbed version, they just gave him a foreign Arabic-sounding accent
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
Not sure which dialect they gave Sallah, but it sure as hell isn't arabic ...LOL. Definitely German, trust me I know that much. Not just German but they are using a dialect similar to Yiddish as Yiddish, Swiss German, Austrian German and Bavarian are all related to some degree.
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop
You misunderstood me. I didn't say Sallah was speaking Arabic, but rather that he was speaking standard German (what you erroneously refer to as "Hochdeutsch", which linguistically speaking has a different meaning from "standard German") with an Arabic accent. Have you ever heard a native Arabic-speaker speak German? I have. It does not sound too different from the German voice actor who dubbed over the original Oriental Hebrew accent that Topol did for his role as Sallah Shabbati.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
I didn't misunderstand you. To me he did not sound like an arab speaking German. The accent sounded to me like a southern German dialect; some High German dialect like Schweizerdeutsch or Yiddish or Bavarian.
No I have never heard an arab speaking German. Even the concept is odd to me, LOL.
Standard German IS Hochdeutch. Standard German is NOT High German as in "Alemannic" German like Yiddish or Austrian German for example or Austrian. But I am not an expert ...
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop
I'm not 100% fluent in German, but had 3 years of high school German in NY and 2 semesters of college German (although it's more than 20 years since I've studied it formally) and get by in it well enough speaking to German tourists in NY and Israel and when I've gone to Vienna, where my mother has cousins. The accent doesn't sound Austrian, and it sounds pretty much like standard German--albeit it with an accent, which as I said is an ACTOR'S interpretation of "foreign"
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@Lagolop re: "No I have never heard an arab speaking German. Even the concept is odd to me,"
When you go to Germany, (or Austria or Switzerland) you find people of all sorts of ethnicities who speak German, just as you find people of all sorts of ethnicities who speak French in Paris or Montreal or English in NY or Toronto (and for that matter, in Israel, one can go to Tel Aviv and hear Hebrew spoken with a Thai or Filipino accent). The world is a globalized place.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@Lagolop re: "German IS Hochdeutch. "
Yes and no--Hochdeutsch also refers to certain dialects spoken in the highlands (as opposed to the lowlands dialects like Plattdeutsch)--and is erroneously confused with standard German--distinguish it from the dialects like the Bavarian dialects (Boarisch) or Swiss (Schwyzerdütsch). When you talk about those dialects it's not only a matter of accent--it's also a matter of grammar and vocabulary--and his grammar and vocabulary was standard German.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
Yes I realize. But Hochdeutch IS Standard Modern German & sounds different for all the reasons u pointed out. OTOH, Yiddish, Bairisch, Swiss, Austrian, Bavarian r all High Germans (as spoken typically in the Alps). They r different from "standard" Hochdeutch in grammar & accent , words & expressions. For example in Yiddish or Bavarian the word Krom = store but in Hochdeutch the word = Speicher (I think). A bar in Yiddish or Austrian or Bavarian = Krethcma, in German = "taverne"
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop
I always used "Laden" or "Geschaeft" for store--but like I said my German is not native and I don't know all the dialectical differences
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@Lagolop
There are many non-native speakers of German, who bring over their own native language's accent when they speak German. Thus there are is such a thing as an Arabic accent in German, go to a neighborhood in Berlin that has immigrants or Gastarbeiter from the Middle East and you will hear it. This movie was made in the 1960s (when there were not as many Arab immigrants in Germany) and was dubbed into German then. It's merely a 1960s German voice actor's idea of what an Arabic accent is.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
"(when there were not as many Arab immigrants in Germany"
The good old day ;)
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop
As a Zionist, I prefer more Arabs in Germany and more Jews in Israel!
;-)
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
Komish!
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@ShmorgelBorgel
"As a Zionist, I prefer more Arabs in Germany and more Jews in Israel!"
I'm not sure the Germans would appreciate the sentiment ;)
Lagolop 5 months ago
"As a Zionist, I prefer more Arabs in Germany and more Jews in Israel!"
Ironic, the Germans are trying to encourage Jews to return and are trying to find ways to get rid of the arabs. Europe has made it's collective bed and will now have to sleep in it :(
If I was a Jew of German heritage, the last place I'd want to go is where there are arabs. Look at what is happening in Malmo Sweden. Jews are leaving there in droves. Ironic since Yiddish is considered a Swedish heritage language.
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop re: "If I was a Jew of German heritage, the last place I'd want to go is where there are arabs. "
There's pretty much Arabs and Muslims everywhere. On a personal level, I've mostly always had good interactions with Arabs, both in NYC and even here in Jerusalem where I live now. When I've traveled to Europe, the same. I think a lot of Arab immigrants in Europe and the States do assimilate and integrate, but there is a high percentage of loudmouths and miscreants who grab attention
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
"but there is a high percentage of loudmouths and miscreants who grab attention"
You mean "excrement" don't ya ...LOL. actually I have had little interaction with arabs. There is few where I live although they are beginning to come here. I shouldn't even say "arabs"; I mean muslims.
I am very pro Israel (and pro Jewish) and of course, most muslims are not. There is that basic polarity.
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@Lagolop "Look at what is happening in Malmo Sweden. Jews are leaving there in droves"
It's not like Malmo ever had such a large Jewish population for them to leave in "droves", and most of them cross over to Copenhagen, Denmark or go to Stockholm. It would be better for more to make aliyah, which would be a positive outcome!
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
The POINT is, Jews have lived in Europe since 600 BC. They've lived in Sweden long enough for the government to make Yiddish, a heritage language. NOW, they don't feel safe in Malmo where they have lived for hundreds of years.
As far as making aliya; I think that is an individual decision. It's nice that Jewish people have that option but they should do so because they want to, NOT because they feel too threatened to stay in Sweden.
Mey, Sweden is lost anyway.
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop re:"The POINT is, Jews have lived in Europe since 600 BCE."
Times change.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@Lagolop "Ironic since Yiddish is considered a Swedish heritage language." As for Yiddish being a "Swedish heritage language." It's only because at one time Jews were a statistically significant immigrant group to Sweden and previous governments wanted to make a show of being inclusive and welcoming. One day the same sentiment will apply to making Arabic and Kurdish official too. I'd prefer more Swedish Jews making aliya and learning Hebrew than staying in Sweden and speaking Yiddish!
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
I understand your views. But the Yids have contributed to Europe in ways that have made ALL benefit (not just Jews). They assimilated and gave their innovations to everyone to enjoy.
What "innovations have the muslims given the planet; breakthroughs in suicide bombing and terrorism.?
I doubt the Swedes will be rushing to make arabic an "official heritage language" regardless how many invade Sweden.
Call me cynical ...
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop "But the Yids have contributed to Europe in ways that have made ALL benefit (not just Jews). They assimilated and gave their innovations to everyone to enjoy."
As a Zionist, personally I'm against assimilation. But the fact is that Jews in Europe for most of their history did not assimilate--they lived in ghettoes which were self-imposed as often as much as they were enforced by the Gentile governments. It wasn't until the Haskala era that European Jews started to assimilate
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". I'd prefer more Swedish Jews making aliya and learning Hebrew than staying in Sweden and speaking Yiddish!"
The Swedish Jews speak Swedish and probably few still know Yiddish :(
OTOH, look what I found the other day ...
watch?v=hD95an5E1IE
Seems that Yiddish is making a comeback, even among non Jews :)
Lagolop 5 months ago
@Lagolop re: "The Swedish Jews speak Swedish and probably few still know Yiddish :("
Like in the USA and the UK, in Sweden only the haredim and some aging secular Jews still actively use Yiddish, aside from some Quixotic young folks who are active in the Yiddish revival movement. Granted, Yiddish once had a vibrant culture, but I don't understand how people can advocate on its behalf over Hebrew, which unites Jews of all backgrounds--whether Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, etc.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
"Yiddish once had a vibrant culture, but I don't understand how people can advocate on its behalf over Hebrew, which unites Jews of all backgrounds--whether Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, etc."
Hebrew only unites all Jews in Israel. All t jose various groups of Jews spoke different languages. Yiddish, it is a huge part of the culture of European Jewry. To deny it is to deny Ashkenazi tradition. :Language defines culture; take it away and you take away that culture.
Lagolop 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
Listen @ 8:05 Sheyne tokhter. Dos iz Yid shprakh, neyn? LOL.
But I do agree he is not speaking Yiddish all the time, just another High German. OTOH, as I said before, Yiddish is similar to other forms of High German so maybe they were mixing it up a bit for fun when they dubbed.
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@Lagolop re:"Listen @ 8:05 Sheyne tokhter. Dos iz Yid shprakh,"
I didn't hear the whole thing, but "shayne" sounds more Yiddish than "schöne", it's true.
Here is the original Hebrew version, with English subtitles which sounds so much better than the German dub!
/watch?v=DL4aU8duqFA&feature=related
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
"As a Zionist, I prefer more Arabs in Germany and more Jews in Israel!"
Ironic, Germany is trying to encourage Jews to return, & is trying to find ways to get rid of arabs. Europe has made it's collective bed and will now have to sleep in it :(
If I was a Jew of German heritage, the last place I'd want to go is where there r arabs. Look at what is happening in Malmo Sweden. Jews are leaving there in droves. Ironic since Yiddish is considered a Swedish heritage language.
Lagolop 5 months ago
can you put this in its original hebrew? thanks!!!
rachelk45able 2 years ago 2
Vol. in youtube i dont think so but u can search
yemni 3 years ago
is there a copy in english
NYSalsaholic 3 years ago 8
Kishon was certainly among the best
I m rereading stuff I read decades ago and HEY it still works a treat for me
He wasn t Wild and Crazy but a rather fanatic ...
Plus Zionist but some of the points he makes abt Muslims are Quite correct
His Humor would ve been more acceptable though had it ever occured to an otherwise smart man that the \jews stole the palestinians land from them
Ephraim Kishon how could you oversee a small detail like that?
ausendundeinenacht 2 years ago
@1001 Nights, Muslims in Israel have a life 1000 times better and fairer then in any Muslim country in the world. Christians in Israel the same, they are citizens with all the rights intact, opposite to many Muslim countries where they are banned, persecuted or murdered. Israel was founded by the general consensus of the UN and at the same time a Palestinian country was created too, Jordan. What you are spewing here is senseless hatred based on lies, ignorance and malice. Hope you burn in Hell!
Purrete 1 year ago 3