If God and Jesus are fantasy I would rather live in that world of fantasy which contains more beauty than any "reality" offered by the rest of the world.
@bersa888 then that person has you fooled. if you don't think so, give it a shot. just one try. see if He, God, JEsus, will not answer you. if He doesnt, believe the man who said that to you. if HE does answer...serve Him. HE loves you regardless. good day bersa888
Or the other way around ;-) But it doesn't really matter. Don't get me wrong. I grew up Catholic, loving family, friends, great priests (monks, actually :-) and all of that. But at 12 I simply realized (not discovered, or even work hard at it) that I had always been and would always be fine without religion or a God... You can have a wonderfully fulfilling, meaningful life without that. I would never make wishful thinking the main focus in real life. It's silly, dangerous and, for me, a waste.
@bersa888 i feelya! and i don't even blame ya for a second. i am native american and men used this religion to murder my ancestors and used this religion to chase gold. and there are still alot of them like this today. thats why i don't want nothing to do with religion. its the simple love of Jesus and relationship w/Him that keeps me...He makes my torn and broken life meaningful. when my little brother committed suicide, i prayed for the first time. He showed up in pure love. so i say, try it!
Sorry about your brother, man... I'd be the last one to try ti dissuade anybody from something which gives him or her solace, inspiration etc. - as long as it stays a personal, private belief, if you know what I mean :-)) I still couldn't make the jump to assume that the love you may be feeling is nothing more than something in your brain. As J. Campbell said (more or less): we all recognize there's a mystery(the transcendent, the unknown). Some call it "God" some simply suspend their judgement.
@ballerfella wow cool! sorry about your brother though. glad God showed up. hopefully one day I'll meet him. tell him hi for me. im not exactly God's favorite.
@ballerfella It sounds like you have found the true meaning of love in Christ. I am also anti "religious". Jesus spoke out against religion and did not wish for his teachings to create another "religion" but only wanted to tell us the truth and how to live a truly joyful and fulfilling lives here on earth. But that is not to say that I am opposed to the Church. I believe that the church has the power and the duty to express the love of Jesus to everyone so that they to may live joyful lives.
@OnlyFactsNoMyths If anything, clinics are gonna help you. They have the ability and don't have this unknown of which prayer contradicts. There's so much knowledge out there with so many people that worked hard to bring it to the surface. Use it.
@OnlyFactsNoMyths Don't pick any. If you're truly honest with yourself and do the research, you can't be blamed for the coming up with the logical conclusion that religion is nothing but people trying to exploit the ignorant or live by ignorance. I see no purpose for faith. If something is true, there's no need to have faith in it being true. Faith doesn't help education, research to find the truth, does.
I dont blame dubberrucckie for the douts that he has, but my question to dubb is that who deserts their own, based on beliefs? maybe these arent the greatest people to follow their examples as im assuming you are. however; "if you live life as their is a god, and died and found out that your wrong what do you lose? opposed to living life as their is no god and dieing and finding out that their is a god?" unkwn qoute. pluse who wants to just die lonely and have nothing to look forward too?
@Lenardo201 I was dead billions and billions of years before i was born and i did not suffer at lest one inconvenience from it. so who is to say that i wont be returning to that same place before i was born?
@Lenardo201 What does it matter if ther is. If there is a god, it wouldn't need nor demand anything let alone ass kissing and if this god had any integrity, it wouldn't want people to rely on pascal's wager. This wager pretty much calls god gullible.
@Lenardo201 A: I would never desert someone because of their beliefs. You are supposed to love your brother as yourself. Who am I to judge ANYONE? I have no ground to do so because I still make mistakes and sin just like everyone else. B: I will not choose to renounce Jesus simply because others are uncomfortable with my beliefs. I do not follow people, I follow Christ. Jesus died on a cross for me. And He is so real. All you have to do is trust in Him. He does the rest. Jesus loves you.
You have called God's logic "flawed." Good luck to you when you come out of your body. That will be the time that it is too late for you, or hopefully a welcomed transition of being due to your conversion. I hope it's the latter. There will be no more response from me, nor will I see yours. Good luck.
There are a lot of angry believers & atheists commenting, & I'd like to invite you all to search (righ here on Youtube) NDE's & learn EXACTLY what happens when you are clinically dead. CLINICALLY DEAD means no breathing, no heartbeat, & no brain activity WHATSOEVER. Hundreds of thousands worldwide cannot all be wrong, so take a break from your vexations & learn that there IS Yeshua Hamashiach aka Jesus The Christ, & that all glory & honor belong to The Living God In The Blessed Trinity forever!!
@Kazyman What you basically said was that: "Hey atheists, you're wrong and I'm right, Jesus Christ is real." What a great fucking arguement you have there.
@RandomStevie As a matter of fact....NO, that's NOT what I was saying. Yeshua Hamashiach is RIGHT & RIGHTEOUS, Divine & Incredible. HE"S right. Not me. I just KNOW He IS right. That said, I invite you to investigate my prior suggestion of reading about atheists such as yourself & join The best Family EVER... or are you afraid?
@Kazyman There you go on again, asuming that just because I don't agree with your flawed "logic" that I am atheist. I am very afraid of Christianity, considering that more people have been killed in the name of God than in the name of not having a God.
@RandomStevie Not true at all bro' = that is a big athiestic myth...the true facts are that staunch & proud athiests have killed more than any one calling themselves Christians. Stalin & Mao killed more alone than in most history.
What evil others do or think, or whatever group they want to associate themselves with, has nothing to do with stopping us from following what Jesus really taught...love of God & each other, etc.
@RandomStevie Why fear Christianity? Christianity is not what kills you. It is others who do not know or show the love of God who kill. God does not like murder. He does not like hatred. He is a God of mercy and love. I encourage you to find Him for yourself because He loves you. He wants to have a relationship with you and bless you. There is absolutely nothing that can ever separate you from His love. It is unconditional. It sees past all flaws and loves still. Always remember, God loves you.
@dubberrucckie I do not fear Christianity and I have tried to pursue God. You know what happened? A lot of people I loved deserted me. Why should I find a "God of love and mercy" if he brings nothing but hatred into my life? I am theistic, but I do not confine myself to one God because we're not sure, no matter how much we can argue, we're not sure. And I'm not going to waste my life over some big conspiracy.
@RandomStevie God brought hatred into your life? God is not a God of hatred. He would never bring hatred into your life. If I hurt someone, if I desert someone, if I go out and kill someone, I cannot blame God for my actions. That was MY choice. God is a God of choice. He loves everyone enough to allow them to choose who(m) they will serve. I chose Him and He has yet to desert me, He has never let me down, He has never forsaken me. He loves us all equally. Will He not do the same for you?
@dubberrucckie He clearly didn't love the gay people he ordered the deaths of. He clearly doesn't love people who have their own sky daddy. If "he" knows everything and created everything, he's responsible for everything, including the hatred people have thanks to his hatful doctrin.
@clipsryan The God I serve loves everyone EQUALLY. If you truly knew Him, you would know that He is not a God of hate. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of truth. He is God. For God so LOVED the world...And if my God truly were the God you claim He is, a God responsible for EVERYTHING, why would He even bother creating gays and those who don't believe in Him? God abhors sin. That does not mean He hates people who sin. If this were true, He would hate you and me as well. But He LOVES you.
@dubberrucckie Clearly "he" isn't because nobody lives or dies equally and unless you kiss "his" ass, you don't get the equal love that "he" supposedly gives to thoughs that need a scare tactic to worship his supposedly perfect self. My friends and family love me. "He" doesn't exist and they do. He sends me to this hell place if I don't feed his religion with money and power, my parents know I'm an atheist and truly love me without uses a threat of fire. If he knows everything, he wouldn't hate.
@clipsryan I do not worship out of fear. I worship because I know Him personally and despite what your beliefs may be, I know that He loves you. God is no respecter of persons. He gives to all freely. Your friends, your family, they are here temporarily. But God is permanent. I am not here to change your beliefs. It is not my job to convert or save you. It is simply my job to tell the world about God's unconditional love for us all. I have told you. Now you must make the choice. God loves you!
@dubberrucckie Hell is a scare tactic and how do you know "he" loves me? You know, there are thousands of kids that need his supposed love a lot more than I do. NO, it's not free. It comes with a price and my family and friends are temporary which makes them more special just like this ONE short life. It is your job to convert others, you just either don't want to or are too lazy. You've been telling the world for 2,000 years. Education is what needs to be told. NOT superstition.
@clipsryan Atrocities are committed by the educated as well as the ignorant. That's a major problem in you argument. Neither atheist nor theist can say with one hundred percent certainty their conclusion of God is correct. There is no simple definition of God, but that is not conclusive proof he does not exist. I will never know where all photons are at all times, it's impossible, but there are somewhere at all times. I'm not here to prove atheists wrong but to hear the best argument.
@SummerThieves The educated can't hide behind superstition. An atheist doesn't need 100% certainty. We agree more on unicorns than gods. It is proof. My argument is a god should never blame others or get upset/angry/sad or jealous. Clearly your god falls victem to those very human characteristics and that's because he was made by very ignorant men. If god told you to kill somone, you'd have to though many people's morality clashes with their gods thus, many denominations.
@clipsryan If you do not need 100% certainty than that means your reasoning could be wrong. Very weak stance. If God does exists he could only create something less than himself, that includes human emotions. Unicorns are incapable of creation whereas God is, your are comparing apples and oranges.
@SummerThieves So could yours but you're the one with the claim so that's on you. If god is all powerful how could he not create something equal to himself and why is it a he? If this same god came from a female dominated society, I doubt it would "himself. I'm comparing myths with myths. Unicorns and gods are imaginary and for all you know, if the supernatural does exist, how do you know unicorns can't create things? Explain how god created everything.
@clipsryan My beliefs are not in question, assuming I believe in God is erroneous. Because humans have a creative mind you cannot conclude God cannot exist, this is an unqualified statement. In other words you claim if humans did not have a creative mind then God could exist. As I said before, you cannot know where all photons are at all times, but they must be somewhere at all times otherwise they would be nowhere. It's an physically unprovable reality that exists.
@SummerThieves It's good enough for me. If a claim lacks evidence, anyone is qualified to say it doesn't exist. This is especially true if this claim has shown to be irrelevant if true. My opinions on how people use their imagination, is irrelevant. I'm concerned in how their beliefs influence education, law and mental health. Again, how do these photons prove god(s) exist?
@clipsryan There never has been, is, and never will be a complete and total definition of God. It's impossible since once a definition is determined God is limited to that definition. As a Jew I was taught that God was infinite and has no limits. A yard stick can be divided infinitely, but if you use a saw you will be left with sawdust. No one knows for sure that Black Holes have infinite mass, it's an assumption that has never been physically measured. Hawkins thinks they don't.
@SummerThieves What's your point? Once god creates something, it's instantly compared to the idea that he's all knowing and has some objective reason to limit it's power to the contents of the universe.
@clipsryan Measuring or defining God is as impossible as measuring and defining where all photons are at all times. But interestingly enough we coexist with that phenomena.
@SummerThieves Again, not proof of god so calculated how impossible it is to define a being that doesn't exist, is pointless. My position is adressing those that do define a god and for some reason, don't think the universe being "god" is good enough.
@clipsryan You do not have special knowledge. The best you have is God probably does not exist. You cannot say with 100% certainty that God does not exist. If you do not accept that you do not live in reality. The universe cannot be God since it created something greater than it's self using indiscriminate forces. The universe created discriminate human beings from indiscriminate forces, that is an impossibility. There has been absolutely no evidence that forces are discriminate.
@SummerThieves Right, there's no such thing as special knowledge and I can say there is no god. I have no problem with being proven wrong and when you adress a claim that lacks evidence with "you'r lying", it's up to the claimer to prove they're claim. Having 100% certainty that a thing lacking evidence doesn't exist, is irrelevant. The universe is my god and it actually exists :). It created alot more than human beings.
@clipsryan At this point, unfortunately, you are being as irrational as theists. There are many things that exist that cannot be explained or are unknown, you cannot not make a claim that that explanation or unknown does not exist. A volcano does not make a value judgement on the outcome of an eruption, but the same forces that made the volcano created you and u make value judgements with practically every decision you make. The universe is a contradiction. You must understand that.
@SummerThieves If these unknowns have no effect on me and people are claiming them to be true without any evidence. I'm fine with saying they don't exist. That's doesn't mean I make them not exist so if someone wants to prove me wrong, go ahead. Atleast I'm open to that where a theist will claim the opposition is evil and controlled by the devil. The universe contains all of existence which would include god so god's irrelevant even if he/she/it somehow exists. Understand that.
@clipsryan No sorry I don't understand. Since you have never seen an alien nor has anyone ever given a proper description you therefore cannot believe in them, interestingly enough they very well could have an affect on you in the future. All of existence is not contained within our universe, anti-matter exists only for millionths of a second this is a clear indication there is other matter than what we experience. Humans are discriminate the forces that made them are not.
@SummerThieves That's too bad. It's pretty simple. This effect is irrelevant until it happens. Me believing they might exist (I do given the fact that the universe is so big) doesn't matter. You're kinda riding on other's ignorance to avoid proving the relevance of a god. If you believe there's a god, prove it or keep it in your head. If you don't, this supposed being that exist but exists outside the container of all existence, is irrelevant. Again, why should I care about any god?
@clipsryan I'm getting the feeling you're more about the outcome fitting your inclination than about truth beauty and justice. That said, I'm glad you at least think about God's existence. I find it inconceivable and utterly futile to look for a scientific definition of God, it just is not possible, but one cannot conclude he does not exist if a definition is impossible, since there is no scientific definition of where all photons are at all times, but they are there nonetheless.
@SummerThieves Well, your feelings are wrong. I can and am concluding that a god doesn't exist. Until you can define a god and explain that you know this is a god and why I should care, you have no argument in the defense of deism/theism. Exploiting the gaps that science hasen't explained, doesn't give you the right to put your god in those gaps. If that was the case, we wouldn't need science and medicine.
@clipsryan There is and never will be an explanation of what God is, it's abstract not science. But if I use the logic you depend on you cannot believe the universe exists either since it cannot be fully explained. For example: no one knows for sure black holes have infinite mass. Einstein's General Relativity equation does not explain all motion in the universe. If you want to convince me there is no God u will need to do better. I'm open to God's existence as well as non-existence.
@SummerThieves We live in the universe so unlike a god, it's atleast fully proven. Again, you can't put your god into the gaps everytime a scientist can't explain something. People have been doing that for thousands of years which is why most god concepts are dying out. I don't need to convince you there's no god. The lack of evidence is enough and if you claim there's a god, you must convince me of that or no offense, shut up. I'm open to those too. So far, no evidence for a god.
@clipsryan Great. Think about it this way. There is no real explanation of how the pyramids in Egypt were constructed, there are only plausible reasons. If I use your logic there can be no builders since we don't know who or how it was built. Use the pyramids as a metaphor for the universe, we don't know who or how it was constructed, we only have plausible reasons. It's reasonable to assume God could exist. Therefore I say your argument is not air tight and had some weakness.
@SummerThieves We can contruct pyramids today and through science we can figure out how pyramid are made. Also, we have proof they were made by humans, not nature. Bad analogy. If you can't explain how a god contructs the universe, we have no reason to discuss this creation myth.
@clipsryan No, you need to follow through on your logic. You cannot explain who, what and how the pyramids were built, therefore they cannot exist since this is your stance. The analogy works perfect. You also will have difficulties with believing 1+1=2 since Russell proved it then later recanted his proof. Therefore since it cant be proved it does not exist. You are setting unrealistic values and limits then since they cannot be obtained they do not exist.
@SummerThieves What's wrong with you? I explained how we know who built them. THE EGYPTIANS. How? Let's build them and we'll find out. According to ancient history, they used the pully system. If god just magically did everything, we would need to figure out how things work. I have two drumkits. Each are individual drumkits. 1+1=2 :). You're not even giving me a method of seeing if a god exists. Maybe you should try doing that because you're falsely accusing me of something I'm not doing.
@clipsryan Russell took about 300 pages to prove 1+1=2, you took one sentence, what's wrong with you? Two drumikits are not completely equal therefore if you add them together you get more/less than two. You were there at the time of the building of the pyramids? You are believing what others have told you, there is NO ONE who knows precisely how the pyramids were constructed not even you. There is only conjecture of that process, therefore the builders cannot exist, using your logic.
@SummerThieves Are you slow or something? How many fucking times must I explain myself? No one was there at the time of the universe's "birth". We use what evidence we have to come up with a conclusion and I'm still waiting on your evidence for a god let alone why I should care if a god exists sense that doesn't help education or morality. There's evidence or them and not your god. Therefore, they exist(ed) and I find no reason to think anyone's god exists.
@clipsryan Egypt was not a state back then, so it was not Egyptians. You're too careless with details. How many times will I need to inform you proving God is none-sense? You can't prove 1+1=2 but yet you believe it. You can't prove the details of precisely who, how and what built the pyramids but you believe someone did it. You can't prove where all photons are at all times, but you believe they are somewhere. No one can prove God but you don't believe in God. You're inconsistent.
@SummerThieves It was and still is a country. A country called Egypt with Egyptians. I've given plenty of reasons why god is nonsense. I just proved 1+1=2. One thing plus another thing equals two things. I proved it so I belive it. I already proved who built the pyramids. History proves who built them and study proves how. Not sure what else you want from me but this is clearly some kinda game you're playing and it's a waste of time. Nobody can prove god (even me and I've tried), thus atheism.
@clipsryan I think you do not take the time to evaluate the details and sweep everything under the rug. You cannot prove 1+1=2, nobody can, not even the greatest atheist of our time Russell could. You can't either, but somehow you believe it. NO historian would dare to claim they know precisely who built the pyramids nor how, it would be conjecture. NO physicist will ever tell you where all photons are at all times. This is not a game, it's using logic for you have no rights in logic.
@SummerThieves I think you come to un-justified conclusions. I do evaluate the details which is how I come up with conclusions that are based on evidence and DETAILS brought by the evidence. I just did prove 1+1=2 which is why you've yet to disprove my method for proving it. Math helps alot of people and those people would disagree with you conclusion that 1+1 doesn't equal 2. I'll say this again; EGYPTIANS! You're talking in circles. It's a game. On to you; prove god.
@clipsryan Look up Russell, he did not prove 1+1=2, nobody can do, sorry that upsets you but that's the way it is. We assume someone built the pyramids, we don't know who or how, probably never will, that's a fact you will have to deal with. Absolutely no one will ever know the energy state of every atom at all times, will not ever happen, you must deal with that fact. There is knowledge you will never know, you must deal with that fact. Logic gives no rights to no person.
@SummerThieves You're a psycho. I just said who built them and with the process of science and technology, we can figure out the most primitive way of building pyramids. Not knowing everything, doesn't give you the right to place god in those gaps of knowledge. Nobody knew what caused natural disasters so they blamed sin or gods. Now, stop being a coward and prove god exists or I'm done.
@clipsryan When arguments turn to personal attacks those attacks usually come from the person with no real answer to the questions. I did not imply that God fills any gaps. The argument of "proving" Gods existence is the wrong tool to find out if God is real. It is as wrong as trying to prove 1+1=2, it can't be done. Its like using a water balloon to hammer nails. In modern times the question of God comes down to two ideas. Did the universe come about by a random act or was it God.
@SummerThieves Stephen Hawkins (who I think is a scientific charlatan) thinks the universe came about by a random act. The problem with that thought is something must exist before a random act can occur. So he trys to show a random act can occur from nothing. That raises another problem, he's something occurs. For something to occur, time is needed and space and time are something. Einstein's Relativity theories depended on it.
@SummerThieves We are in the same boat clipsryan, it's just that I realize "proving" God's existence is futile and is not the way of showing anything real. You got to realize that in order live in reality. If you don't you will live your entire life waiting on an explanation that will never come. Unless you enjoy destroying religious peoples hope. If that's the case than that's too bad, for I think we are here to help others. not destroy them
@SummerThieves Just be honest that you can't prove it. I'm asking you to prove this god and why I should care that it probably exists or exists for sure. If you can't do that, you're wasting my time. If someone can prove a god exists and that I should care if they can or can't, bring it on. The universe is my "god" though this god doesn't ask for money, murder, worship or genocide. Hope in what? Another life so to not take this one seriously? Hope in a belief that harms education? Fragile hope?
@clipsryan For the last time, I will not, you did not, nor will anyone else ever prove 1+1=2 in an absolute sense. You did not prove 1+1=2 by referring to two nails. You cannot use the physical world to prove a mathematical formula. Math is proved with using sets of numbers. The formation of the universe was not random but the formation of the solar system was? This makes no sense. For the last time, there is no definition of God, there never will be. God is not a science project.
@SummerThieves How many times am I going to have explain you can't prove God existence, it's an unrealistic expectation. It's like using a 99 cent balloon filled with water as a hammer. It does not work. Modern philosophers realize God's existence or non-existence comes down to random acts or not random act. So far all we have measured is random acts. No one has ever seen any being behind the scenes. It is impossible to know when an atom will expel an alpha particle. It's random.
@SummerThieves So why should I care if there's a god let alone respect the beliefs in one? You can just say it doesn't work. Using a balloon filled with water as a hammer as an analogy, is pointless. For the millionth time, random acts don't happen by an all powerful controlling force. You're still failing at proving why I should respect religious beliefs. No surprise but again, you are wasting your time and mine.
@SummerThieves Just did about ten times. Wow, I have to be extremely literal with you. If a god created the universe, it wouldn't be a random occurance but we have evidence that the universe is a random occurence thanks to science/astronomy. Either god creates things randomly or it doesn't. Exactly, god doesn't exist.
@SummerThieves I don't care what you think about Stephen and if an all powerful being brought the universe into existence, how could we claim it was random? Clearly is only happened once or universes pop into existence all the time randomly. The formation of our solar system occured randomly. If a being creates something that contains time and space, that being either existed during the creation of the something of that being doesn't exist.
@SummerThieves I just explained how a single universe being created by an all powerful being, isn't random, it's controlled. Your premise of a random occerance happening from a controlling being, doesn't work. :)
@clipsryan If God did not create the universe then a random act did. If you and you alone have solved that problem then you deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. Guess what, you didn't, nobody has. But in your mind you did. You live in a fabricated fantasy. You have no more proof the universe started as a random act then theists have that God did it. Who's to say that God cannot create without random acts? That would put a limit on God, And we can only assume he's limitless.
@SummerThieves Yes, a random act did occur and there's no need for a NPP because that's common sense. What's complete BS is that a being exists outside of the universe eventhough the universe contains all of existence. This raises the question of who/what created god. Unlike theists, I'm able to break it down and all you can do is say "Nope, your wrong.......". It's not random if it's pre-meditated. This also implies that god has a brain. He? So god has a dick now?
@clipsryan You can send your proof that the universe came about by random action to the following address. If you do indeed have proof then submit it and get the Nobel Peace Prize. worldscinet But I know you can't since there has been no other legitimate scientist who has, except you. Brains and penis's are physical, who claimed God to be anything physical. Anti-matter exists for but for seconds, and exists outside of our universe.
@SummerThieves Again, a NPP would be given to those that claim this world is less than 10,000 years old, a global flood happened and that a perfect being needs or would want worship. You claimed "HIM" to be physical by saying you know it's a him. Why should I believe a non-physical thing created all of the universe? So anti-matter is god? You see how you're constantly refute all of your previous statments? You're terrible at this. Still waiting on your proof of god and why I should allow it.
@clipsryan You also cannot prove all existence is in the universe, but in your mind you can. Feel free to tell us the exact dimensions of the universe where all existence lays. When you do please submit it to (worldsinet) But once again I'm willing to bet my meager life saves you can't do it. It's funny that you ask theists to prove Gods existence but you can prove anything you say.
@SummerThieves In logic I can and did. Nothing exists outside of time and space which is what the universe contains. Theists are the ones that stand on a claim they can't prove but impose on the world. The people that care about truth and continue to gather more information, are looked at as being the ones who should disprove negatives while proving they know everything about everything. What's truly funny is the most ignorant people claim to talk to the "all knowing one".
@clipsryan Again, submit your paper that proves the universe began with a random act, to (worldsinet) dot com and we'll see what you have proved. Nothing.You don't know how large the universe is but yet you claim all of existence lays within it. This is double talk, its fallacy and it is not real. You will need to prove that the universe contains all things that exist. Again submit a paper and prove it. I will personally fly to Copenhagen and congratulate you if you prove it.
@SummerThieves So if you already think it's gonna be nothing, what's the point? Talk to any atrologist and they'll tell you that the universe contains all of existence. Random or not, nothing exists outside of it. Like a coward you hide from you part of the debate where you must provide your evidence for a god. Selfishly you insist on having me do all the work while you sit back with your claims that you insist aren't able to be proven yet you believe in them.
@clipsryan How many times do I have to tell you, THERE IS NO DEFINITION OF GOD. THE END! I could careless about what "atrologist" (this is not a word) say. I want to hear your proof that all things are contained within the universe. You will first need to prove its size in order to do that. When you do please submit it to (worldinet) dot com. Prove your assertions or stop talking.
@SummerThieves Ok ( I know your not going to get it but here goes) 1+1=2, You must first define two objects that have absolutely no difference between them, they cannot be distinguished by any means. They must be absolutely equal. Two nails are distinguishable, that means there must be a difference between them and that difference between them will cause them not add up to two, but add up to something more than two or less then two.
@SummerThieves The Pyramid, No one, absolutely no one knows the precise date they were built, only guess work of about when. There is no mention of pyramid building in any hieroglyphics ever found, none. On record on how, when, no plans, no drawling. But every other part of the builders lives are scratched in hieroglyphics except pyramid building.
@SummerThieves For the millionth time, we can construct pyramids using the materials one would find during those times. Are you suggesting a god built them. If not, you have no argument. If so, prove it.
@SummerThieves There are millions of definitions, you just hide behind the idea that god can't be defined to prevent the responsibility of having to prove a claim you hold. Astrology, smartass. It's called science. The definition of the universe states that it contains all of existence. Happy? Also, this is text. I'm not talking ;).
@SummerThieves There is about 2,300,000 stone in the great pyramid. Most scientist think it took 20 years to build it. There is 175200 hours in 20 years. That means approximately one stone for every 13 hours. Modern scientist have show 15 men can easily move a 5-10 ton stone mostly by hand. It took them more than 13 hours to cut the stone and move it. Problem is some stones are over 70 tons. All the pyramids were built using cooper tools, modern scientist use steel.
@SummerThieves You cannot prove how, when or who built the pyramids why do you believe in them? Just because you see them? Really? Your that infantile? You see the universe but believe there is no maker, this is inconsistent thought process. No modern scientist has move 70 tons of rock by hand let alone hoist it several meters in the air then place it so exact that a razor blade cannot be fit between them. Who ever built the things was way ahead of their times.
@SummerThieves Just did. I believe where the evidence leads me. You see a maker yet see no maker for it? How is that anymore logical. I see trees that reproduce by themselvs along with hermaphrodites. Why should I believe a conscious being floating in nothingness, existed and created something in such a violent way but wants credit from those that can't even agree on what version god is let alone what a god is capable of and why it would focuse it's power to one small planet.
@clipsryan Neither theists or atheist can bullshit me. But you're trying. Not once did you prove the universe contains all that exists. Not once did explain in detail the size of the universe were all things exist. If you do not prove these statements I can only conclude your statements are unqualified. As I said before, I am open to the fact that God could exist as well as he does not. No one has prove when the pyramids were built, please show your proof.
@SummerThieves The concept of "one" is not real. Never has been never will be since on one can experience "one". Except for you of course. Feel free to send your proof of 1+1=2 to (worldsinet) dot com. (Don't bother there going to reject your argument.)
@SummerThieves So it's multiple gods that created the universe is that what you're saying? You're hilarious. This doesn't do anything to help your argument. I explained the different in material and math with 1+1. So far, all you've done is prove not one thing is identical as if that's relevant and that you believe in god for no reason at all. I'm done, you're a waste of time.
@clipsryan Not once did I say I believe in God. (after taking with you I just might) That's your opinion. Feel free to send you proofs to (worldsinet) dot com. I see you haven't done that. You never will since it is impossible to prove using classical logic, which you have severe problems using. You have made nothing but outrageous claims that cannot be proven. Again, prove all of existence lays with the universe, prove the size of the universe were all existence lays.
@SummerThieves Prove who, what and how the pyramids were constructed. You have not done that yet, you just said words. Prove you know where all photons are at all times. Prove The universe started with a random event. Which btw you have no concept that if you do you will prove that you do not know how the universe started since the very definition of random means you do not know the cause of an event. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.
@SummerThieves There,s a thing called faith,But the only faith you find is in an endless sea of words,and you should only deny 'God if you have taking it upon 'Yourself to find Him..you find only words agaisnt Him,I know you have never felt the "Holy Spirit or you would not deny Him,but Through 'God in my prayers God,s Holy Spirit will come to you(you will deny it) but it will come-best way I can tell u feels like wierd,deep down someones there tingling feeling,,Heads up +++
@TheX2711 Dude, chillax, I'm not a God denier, but I am a realist. If God does exist he will never be explained in scientific terms, his explanation is purely an abstract concept very similar to the concept of "one". Nothing could be more unreal then when atheists ask for the definition of God with the intention of proving that definition does not exists. It is just as dumb as a theist trying to define God. To me a theist and an atheist are the same person, philosophically speaking.
@SummerThieves I offer to prove Him,the world were in now there is nothing left for "God,but to be poven,I know I never knew the Lord"God.ever before.And when a person in completely filled by the Holy Spirit(accept it) they will also relize there is something else that is at work(unclean)=works through every single person who dose not walk with the Lord"God and His ways.I will keep sending the Holy Spirit as to prove Him it is up to each to accept or deny Him that all I can do +++
@TheX2711 Not sure what you are trying to say or prove here. I was referring the previous dude "clipsryan" who is basically clueless when it comes to classical logic. I grew up jewish, my rabbi basically taught God was infinite. This is about the only explanation that makes any sense to me. Since infinity is unexplainable in many ways and can not be completely comprehended by our feeble minds. Keep searching my friend, I'm glad you have found answers that put you at ease.
@SummerThieves My search has ended,and I am trying to Help others because so many are searching and listening to men not 'God who is infinite and his power is the same and he allowed me away I can serve him and that,s giving what every one is screaming for to prove Him,So I am through ;God placing the Holy Spirit on them,and even though the evil that here working,they will deny Him but not all will be saved and all I can do is my part.before he waste this abomination of a world+++
@SummerThieves Holy shit, I guess ignorance is truly bliss for you. I just showed my evidence for the universe AND the pyramids. Like a coward, you avoid them and like a moron (yes, a moron) you insist on repeating questions I've answered many times now. Again, this is clearly alittle game you're trying to play and I have more important things to do than waste time with the intellectually dishonest.
@SummerThieves The pyramids of giza were built in the 2,000s BC and some were made out of stone while others were made out of brick. The earliest one (Djoser) was built during the 3rd dynasty. Imhotep designed it. Pick up a book and stop embarassing yourself. It's pretty obvious that egyptians built egyptian pyramids for their egyptians lords. Cooper tools? Nice, one. See we all make spelling errors.
@SummerThieves The truth hurts. You did imply god fills gaps because you keep bringing up the fact that I don't know everything and at the end of this comment you just did imply god fills the gap of what started the universe. Nice job. I've proven that 1+1=2 about 5 fucking times now! How many nails? 2 (1+1) of them? The universe came about by itself. Random is unknown and irrelevant. Same question for your god.
@clipsryan Well then let me educate you. To begin with, it is not, nor will it ever be, my job to convert anyone. My job is to preach the gospel of the good news (as Jesus said in the Bible which I will ignorantly assume you have read as you seem know everything) which is that Jesus died to save all of us. You ask how do I know that God loves you? God sent His son to die on a cross, a son who was blameless in His sight, so that we might be saved. All He asks is that you believe and trust in Him.
@clipsryan Hell is not a scare tactic. You wouldn't fear Hell if you knew that you would have eternal life with the Lord through salvation. And as for those thousands of kids that need His "supposed love," the Lord says that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. The Lord has given us dominion and power over the earth. However, because many souls have not accepted Jesus and would rather spend time doing what they want instead of His work, these thousands of kids are not shown His love.
@dubberrucckie I don't fear hell because other religions use hell and they lack evidence for it just like you. The greeks and romans that ruled the supposed holy land, had their concept of hell. This is before the bible was even written and again, no truth, needs a threat. No loving and mercyful being would use a threat. Heaven doesn't sound any better sense it's nothing but eternal worship of a being that allows children to die. How can an all knowing and all powerful one blame anyone?
@clipsryan Believe what you will. My only desire is for others to know Christ as I know Him, for them to walk in light and truth. I am not asking you to trust me, I am only asking that you trust God. However, I will write this. How funny it is that you say that faith is stupid, that it is devoid of evidence/knowledge. You have faith that God doesn't exist and yet you have no evidence or knowledge of that. You have yet to back up any statement with fact. So I ask this: why should I believe you?
@dubberrucckie I have no choice so thanks for the permission. You've had 2,000 years and there are plenty of churches and bible's. Pick something more helpful to do with your time. Why should I trust god? I don't have faith in anything that doesn't exist, not existing. I mean come one. I have justified reliance on the probabilities of certain things happening or existing. If you have knowledge, you don't need faith (believing things for no justified reason.). Because I actually exist.
@clipsryan They are not helped because many refuse to answer the call of God. I have answered. You have not. But I ask that you not harden your heart, that you not turn away from the love of God. The breath of air you just took, that was God. The fact that you woke up this morning, that was also God. I know who God is because I have spent time with Him. I don't need to see Him to know that He is real, that's what faith is. How do I know God loves you? He is using me.
@dubberrucckie Many of them have their own gods or none. If your god is too busy, lazy, or unable to prevent thousands of children from dying (even those that actually believe), your god is pointless. The breath of air I just took was air. Spent time where and what were you doing? Also, why should I believe you if someone said they spent time with him at the same time doing very different things? Faith is stupid. It's devoid of evidence/knowledge. Using u? Where's the free will in that?
@clipsryan When I get frustrated when you don't understand and won't believe, He reminds me not to give up. There is a reason why you clicked on the link. To be honest, I don't even remember how I got to this video. I have never even heard of the movie. But what I do know is that because I am willing, He is speaking to you through me. He has a purpose and a destiny for your life (believe it or not). He has called you. He is still calling you (that gentle tug on your heart) because He loves you.
@Suffersosweetly LOL. I hope you're kidding. His Love, my unknown friend...is colorless, raceless, & pure. As for your judgement of all white people "will hate Jesus bcuz he ain't white..." well let me just say (& I'm white) you most likey are wrong, as most of us whites KNOW he was not "white." To be accurate, The Son of God need not be white, black, Jewish, Italian, African or even human, but came down to offer Himself to His Father as an unblemished sacrifice in order He save us from Satan.
lol and why is evryone talkiing aout god and stuff. If u believe n him u do if u dont then u dont. thats it. unless ur a priest its not ur job to convince people of ur beliefs
@Arexeum I know God supposedly wouldn't CAUSE tragedies but why does he let them occur? Does he not have the power to stop said evil? And could you please write understandable explanations? “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” -Epicurus
It is not of gods will that bad things happen, it is either of nature or of the wills of humans that murder,sickness,and death happen. Life is a test and if anything were such a test then it would not be considered as such.
even so, if god dose tinker with our lives how could anyone meet to the needs of so many people at once to be happy.
Many Christians want to believe so badly they will ignore scientific evidence, reason, common sense and their own better judgment. Religions have perverted the meaning of the word "truth." The Websters Dictionary definition says what the word means: truth: "being in accord with fact or reality" - Search for "Church of Innerspace" in Google and read what it says. It is not what you think it is.
You heard people say- "it will never be found", "it ain't true", "it just can't be".
I'm here to tell you these People are wrong- I found it. Using Google Earth -
I found God's Watermarks of the REAL Garden of Eden. Look at my Channel and see the short Video I made of it. I didn't point all of it out either- there are many things still hid for you to find. Come see !
@moomman89 I actually experienced a both heaven and hell similtaniously on the substance known as "salvia divinorum" and felt very close to this god consiousness as well as the hell consiousness. they were in the room with me. beleive it or not it is a powerfull powerfull substance. one of the most powerfull spiritual experiences of my life besides birth which I can not remember. I'm telling you.
@rhombusskullvsteal IF he doesnt exist then tel me how the earth was made and dont say the big bang if that was true who made the big bang? Where did humans come from? How do u knwo he doesnt exist please tell me!
@AustinDarkKiller ANOTHER DELUDED ASSHOLE. WHO MADE YOUR PERFECTLY FORMED GOD?? DO YOU THINK HE APPEARED OUT OF THIN AIR IN SPACE WHERE IT IS 400 DEGREES BELOW ZERO.
@TheTruthisBackNow Thats ur opinion u didnt give me a straight answer how do u know there is no God. U cant answer it becaue ur narrow minded ready for hell ass loser. Stfu no one cares for ur false opinion u already done for! Im not going to argue with somone from the likes of ur retarted ass. Have fun in hell im sure it will suit u the best
@TheTruthisBackNow Im not brain washed i just know how to have faith in somthing that is real unlike u. U take ur facts from shit you cant prove. Like just now i asked u several question u never did answered. U just cused me out and told me to grow up. Now think do i really need to grow up? Nope i already did way before ur ass did.
@IAmANub the only reason u don't beileve in god is because you see that he hasn't provided any of his promises to you, u can't say GOD isn't real if u never read a single page of the bible. i bet u my life if u read the new testament and understand wat ur reading u'll not only beileve in god but hes all u;ll ever want
@hasoxtinaks Understand what I'm reading... maybe if you get hooked on fonics and you understand what YOU'RE reading you'll realize what a moron you are
can someone recommend to me as many movies as possible like this one? thank you all
JesusGaveMeNewSoul 19 hours ago
me too:)
hirstmiles 5 days ago
atheism, its the way of the new world!
yourallbrainwashed 1 week ago
@yourallbrainwashed It sure is but it shouldn't be:P
Lerodri22 1 week ago
@Lerodri22
Im just curious, try to name some of the things you think of when you hear the word atheist?
yourallbrainwashed 1 week ago
@yourallbrainwashed yeah right way of death!
dan3nad 23 hours ago
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@dan3nad"yeah right way of death?" that doesnt even make any sense.
yourallbrainwashed 23 hours ago
Convert to atheism. The proof that there is no god is in the bible. Read it and then do some actual thinking.
lucyg77 1 week ago
@lucyg77 you may wanna read psalm 14:1 -"the fool has said in his heart there is no God. they are corrupt."
721rem 1 week ago
Convert to Islam, it is the true religion<3
uramazingxd1 1 week ago
@uramazingxd1 LOL
UndercoverCracker 1 week ago
If God and Jesus are fantasy I would rather live in that world of fantasy which contains more beauty than any "reality" offered by the rest of the world.
jamvaus 2 weeks ago
@jamvaus true! one's worse day as a christian is better than the world's best day.
721rem 1 week ago
The most generous, righteous, and kind person I know considers praying absolutely ridiculous.
bersa888 2 weeks ago
@bersa888 then that person has you fooled. if you don't think so, give it a shot. just one try. see if He, God, JEsus, will not answer you. if He doesnt, believe the man who said that to you. if HE does answer...serve Him. HE loves you regardless. good day bersa888
ballerfella 1 week ago
Or the other way around ;-) But it doesn't really matter. Don't get me wrong. I grew up Catholic, loving family, friends, great priests (monks, actually :-) and all of that. But at 12 I simply realized (not discovered, or even work hard at it) that I had always been and would always be fine without religion or a God... You can have a wonderfully fulfilling, meaningful life without that. I would never make wishful thinking the main focus in real life. It's silly, dangerous and, for me, a waste.
bersa888 1 week ago
@bersa888 i feelya! and i don't even blame ya for a second. i am native american and men used this religion to murder my ancestors and used this religion to chase gold. and there are still alot of them like this today. thats why i don't want nothing to do with religion. its the simple love of Jesus and relationship w/Him that keeps me...He makes my torn and broken life meaningful. when my little brother committed suicide, i prayed for the first time. He showed up in pure love. so i say, try it!
ballerfella 1 week ago
Sorry about your brother, man... I'd be the last one to try ti dissuade anybody from something which gives him or her solace, inspiration etc. - as long as it stays a personal, private belief, if you know what I mean :-)) I still couldn't make the jump to assume that the love you may be feeling is nothing more than something in your brain. As J. Campbell said (more or less): we all recognize there's a mystery(the transcendent, the unknown). Some call it "God" some simply suspend their judgement.
bersa888 1 week ago
@ballerfella wow cool! sorry about your brother though. glad God showed up. hopefully one day I'll meet him. tell him hi for me. im not exactly God's favorite.
721rem 1 week ago
@ballerfella It sounds like you have found the true meaning of love in Christ. I am also anti "religious". Jesus spoke out against religion and did not wish for his teachings to create another "religion" but only wanted to tell us the truth and how to live a truly joyful and fulfilling lives here on earth. But that is not to say that I am opposed to the Church. I believe that the church has the power and the duty to express the love of Jesus to everyone so that they to may live joyful lives.
jamvaus 1 week ago
@bersa888 but you're not fine without the lord. its not about THIS world, its about the hereafter and hell is real. get God to avoid hell.
721rem 1 week ago
@721rem : As I said in other words: whatever rocks your boat! :-) Cheers.
bersa888 1 week ago
convert to buddahism
its the true religion of peace
246alive 2 weeks ago
Prayers Always, Power Of Prayer....thank you, Sharing :)
TheSerenaLA 3 weeks ago
If there is a God, why did they run out of drumsticks at KFC last night?
dumnuts1 3 weeks ago
how did i stumnle on this bullshit. God holy spirit bunch of crap.
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HearTheTruthOnline 1 month ago
@OnlyFactsNoMyths If anything, clinics are gonna help you. They have the ability and don't have this unknown of which prayer contradicts. There's so much knowledge out there with so many people that worked hard to bring it to the surface. Use it.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@OnlyFactsNoMyths Don't pick any. If you're truly honest with yourself and do the research, you can't be blamed for the coming up with the logical conclusion that religion is nothing but people trying to exploit the ignorant or live by ignorance. I see no purpose for faith. If something is true, there's no need to have faith in it being true. Faith doesn't help education, research to find the truth, does.
clipsryan 1 month ago
I dont blame dubberrucckie for the douts that he has, but my question to dubb is that who deserts their own, based on beliefs? maybe these arent the greatest people to follow their examples as im assuming you are. however; "if you live life as their is a god, and died and found out that your wrong what do you lose? opposed to living life as their is no god and dieing and finding out that their is a god?" unkwn qoute. pluse who wants to just die lonely and have nothing to look forward too?
Lenardo201 2 months ago
@Lenardo201 I was dead billions and billions of years before i was born and i did not suffer at lest one inconvenience from it. so who is to say that i wont be returning to that same place before i was born?
castroiscool 1 month ago
@Lenardo201 What does it matter if ther is. If there is a god, it wouldn't need nor demand anything let alone ass kissing and if this god had any integrity, it wouldn't want people to rely on pascal's wager. This wager pretty much calls god gullible.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@Lenardo201 A: I would never desert someone because of their beliefs. You are supposed to love your brother as yourself. Who am I to judge ANYONE? I have no ground to do so because I still make mistakes and sin just like everyone else. B: I will not choose to renounce Jesus simply because others are uncomfortable with my beliefs. I do not follow people, I follow Christ. Jesus died on a cross for me. And He is so real. All you have to do is trust in Him. He does the rest. Jesus loves you.
dubberrucckie 1 month ago
watch?v=SPVJ-daUxlc 'The Wave Parable'
The47890 2 months ago
I'm atheist. is there a movie about that?
*silence and a bunch of hurtful comments on my religion*
kjjrys 2 months ago
You have called God's logic "flawed." Good luck to you when you come out of your body. That will be the time that it is too late for you, or hopefully a welcomed transition of being due to your conversion. I hope it's the latter. There will be no more response from me, nor will I see yours. Good luck.
Kazyman 2 months ago
There are a lot of angry believers & atheists commenting, & I'd like to invite you all to search (righ here on Youtube) NDE's & learn EXACTLY what happens when you are clinically dead. CLINICALLY DEAD means no breathing, no heartbeat, & no brain activity WHATSOEVER. Hundreds of thousands worldwide cannot all be wrong, so take a break from your vexations & learn that there IS Yeshua Hamashiach aka Jesus The Christ, & that all glory & honor belong to The Living God In The Blessed Trinity forever!!
Kazyman 2 months ago
@Kazyman What you basically said was that: "Hey atheists, you're wrong and I'm right, Jesus Christ is real." What a great fucking arguement you have there.
RandomStevie 2 months ago
@RandomStevie What you basically said was that"Hey since i don't believe in any thing i will Fall for everything...no argument we have here...
playgameswith 2 months ago
@playgameswith What you basically said made no sense at all.
RandomStevie 2 months ago
@RandomStevie As a matter of fact....NO, that's NOT what I was saying. Yeshua Hamashiach is RIGHT & RIGHTEOUS, Divine & Incredible. HE"S right. Not me. I just KNOW He IS right. That said, I invite you to investigate my prior suggestion of reading about atheists such as yourself & join The best Family EVER... or are you afraid?
Kazyman 2 months ago
@Kazyman There you go on again, asuming that just because I don't agree with your flawed "logic" that I am atheist. I am very afraid of Christianity, considering that more people have been killed in the name of God than in the name of not having a God.
RandomStevie 2 months ago
@RandomStevie Not true at all bro' = that is a big athiestic myth...the true facts are that staunch & proud athiests have killed more than any one calling themselves Christians. Stalin & Mao killed more alone than in most history.
What evil others do or think, or whatever group they want to associate themselves with, has nothing to do with stopping us from following what Jesus really taught...love of God & each other, etc.
GoodyBob 2 months ago
@RandomStevie Why fear Christianity? Christianity is not what kills you. It is others who do not know or show the love of God who kill. God does not like murder. He does not like hatred. He is a God of mercy and love. I encourage you to find Him for yourself because He loves you. He wants to have a relationship with you and bless you. There is absolutely nothing that can ever separate you from His love. It is unconditional. It sees past all flaws and loves still. Always remember, God loves you.
dubberrucckie 2 months ago
@dubberrucckie I do not fear Christianity and I have tried to pursue God. You know what happened? A lot of people I loved deserted me. Why should I find a "God of love and mercy" if he brings nothing but hatred into my life? I am theistic, but I do not confine myself to one God because we're not sure, no matter how much we can argue, we're not sure. And I'm not going to waste my life over some big conspiracy.
RandomStevie 2 months ago
@RandomStevie God brought hatred into your life? God is not a God of hatred. He would never bring hatred into your life. If I hurt someone, if I desert someone, if I go out and kill someone, I cannot blame God for my actions. That was MY choice. God is a God of choice. He loves everyone enough to allow them to choose who(m) they will serve. I chose Him and He has yet to desert me, He has never let me down, He has never forsaken me. He loves us all equally. Will He not do the same for you?
dubberrucckie 2 months ago
@dubberrucckie He clearly didn't love the gay people he ordered the deaths of. He clearly doesn't love people who have their own sky daddy. If "he" knows everything and created everything, he's responsible for everything, including the hatred people have thanks to his hatful doctrin.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan The God I serve loves everyone EQUALLY. If you truly knew Him, you would know that He is not a God of hate. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of truth. He is God. For God so LOVED the world...And if my God truly were the God you claim He is, a God responsible for EVERYTHING, why would He even bother creating gays and those who don't believe in Him? God abhors sin. That does not mean He hates people who sin. If this were true, He would hate you and me as well. But He LOVES you.
dubberrucckie 1 month ago
@dubberrucckie Clearly "he" isn't because nobody lives or dies equally and unless you kiss "his" ass, you don't get the equal love that "he" supposedly gives to thoughs that need a scare tactic to worship his supposedly perfect self. My friends and family love me. "He" doesn't exist and they do. He sends me to this hell place if I don't feed his religion with money and power, my parents know I'm an atheist and truly love me without uses a threat of fire. If he knows everything, he wouldn't hate.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan I do not worship out of fear. I worship because I know Him personally and despite what your beliefs may be, I know that He loves you. God is no respecter of persons. He gives to all freely. Your friends, your family, they are here temporarily. But God is permanent. I am not here to change your beliefs. It is not my job to convert or save you. It is simply my job to tell the world about God's unconditional love for us all. I have told you. Now you must make the choice. God loves you!
dubberrucckie 1 month ago
@dubberrucckie Hell is a scare tactic and how do you know "he" loves me? You know, there are thousands of kids that need his supposed love a lot more than I do. NO, it's not free. It comes with a price and my family and friends are temporary which makes them more special just like this ONE short life. It is your job to convert others, you just either don't want to or are too lazy. You've been telling the world for 2,000 years. Education is what needs to be told. NOT superstition.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Atrocities are committed by the educated as well as the ignorant. That's a major problem in you argument. Neither atheist nor theist can say with one hundred percent certainty their conclusion of God is correct. There is no simple definition of God, but that is not conclusive proof he does not exist. I will never know where all photons are at all times, it's impossible, but there are somewhere at all times. I'm not here to prove atheists wrong but to hear the best argument.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves The educated can't hide behind superstition. An atheist doesn't need 100% certainty. We agree more on unicorns than gods. It is proof. My argument is a god should never blame others or get upset/angry/sad or jealous. Clearly your god falls victem to those very human characteristics and that's because he was made by very ignorant men. If god told you to kill somone, you'd have to though many people's morality clashes with their gods thus, many denominations.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan If you do not need 100% certainty than that means your reasoning could be wrong. Very weak stance. If God does exists he could only create something less than himself, that includes human emotions. Unicorns are incapable of creation whereas God is, your are comparing apples and oranges.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves So could yours but you're the one with the claim so that's on you. If god is all powerful how could he not create something equal to himself and why is it a he? If this same god came from a female dominated society, I doubt it would "himself. I'm comparing myths with myths. Unicorns and gods are imaginary and for all you know, if the supernatural does exist, how do you know unicorns can't create things? Explain how god created everything.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan My beliefs are not in question, assuming I believe in God is erroneous. Because humans have a creative mind you cannot conclude God cannot exist, this is an unqualified statement. In other words you claim if humans did not have a creative mind then God could exist. As I said before, you cannot know where all photons are at all times, but they must be somewhere at all times otherwise they would be nowhere. It's an physically unprovable reality that exists.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves It's good enough for me. If a claim lacks evidence, anyone is qualified to say it doesn't exist. This is especially true if this claim has shown to be irrelevant if true. My opinions on how people use their imagination, is irrelevant. I'm concerned in how their beliefs influence education, law and mental health. Again, how do these photons prove god(s) exist?
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan There never has been, is, and never will be a complete and total definition of God. It's impossible since once a definition is determined God is limited to that definition. As a Jew I was taught that God was infinite and has no limits. A yard stick can be divided infinitely, but if you use a saw you will be left with sawdust. No one knows for sure that Black Holes have infinite mass, it's an assumption that has never been physically measured. Hawkins thinks they don't.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves What's your point? Once god creates something, it's instantly compared to the idea that he's all knowing and has some objective reason to limit it's power to the contents of the universe.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Measuring or defining God is as impossible as measuring and defining where all photons are at all times. But interestingly enough we coexist with that phenomena.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Again, not proof of god so calculated how impossible it is to define a being that doesn't exist, is pointless. My position is adressing those that do define a god and for some reason, don't think the universe being "god" is good enough.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan You do not have special knowledge. The best you have is God probably does not exist. You cannot say with 100% certainty that God does not exist. If you do not accept that you do not live in reality. The universe cannot be God since it created something greater than it's self using indiscriminate forces. The universe created discriminate human beings from indiscriminate forces, that is an impossibility. There has been absolutely no evidence that forces are discriminate.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Right, there's no such thing as special knowledge and I can say there is no god. I have no problem with being proven wrong and when you adress a claim that lacks evidence with "you'r lying", it's up to the claimer to prove they're claim. Having 100% certainty that a thing lacking evidence doesn't exist, is irrelevant. The universe is my god and it actually exists :). It created alot more than human beings.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan At this point, unfortunately, you are being as irrational as theists. There are many things that exist that cannot be explained or are unknown, you cannot not make a claim that that explanation or unknown does not exist. A volcano does not make a value judgement on the outcome of an eruption, but the same forces that made the volcano created you and u make value judgements with practically every decision you make. The universe is a contradiction. You must understand that.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves If these unknowns have no effect on me and people are claiming them to be true without any evidence. I'm fine with saying they don't exist. That's doesn't mean I make them not exist so if someone wants to prove me wrong, go ahead. Atleast I'm open to that where a theist will claim the opposition is evil and controlled by the devil. The universe contains all of existence which would include god so god's irrelevant even if he/she/it somehow exists. Understand that.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan No sorry I don't understand. Since you have never seen an alien nor has anyone ever given a proper description you therefore cannot believe in them, interestingly enough they very well could have an affect on you in the future. All of existence is not contained within our universe, anti-matter exists only for millionths of a second this is a clear indication there is other matter than what we experience. Humans are discriminate the forces that made them are not.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves That's too bad. It's pretty simple. This effect is irrelevant until it happens. Me believing they might exist (I do given the fact that the universe is so big) doesn't matter. You're kinda riding on other's ignorance to avoid proving the relevance of a god. If you believe there's a god, prove it or keep it in your head. If you don't, this supposed being that exist but exists outside the container of all existence, is irrelevant. Again, why should I care about any god?
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan I'm getting the feeling you're more about the outcome fitting your inclination than about truth beauty and justice. That said, I'm glad you at least think about God's existence. I find it inconceivable and utterly futile to look for a scientific definition of God, it just is not possible, but one cannot conclude he does not exist if a definition is impossible, since there is no scientific definition of where all photons are at all times, but they are there nonetheless.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Well, your feelings are wrong. I can and am concluding that a god doesn't exist. Until you can define a god and explain that you know this is a god and why I should care, you have no argument in the defense of deism/theism. Exploiting the gaps that science hasen't explained, doesn't give you the right to put your god in those gaps. If that was the case, we wouldn't need science and medicine.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan There is and never will be an explanation of what God is, it's abstract not science. But if I use the logic you depend on you cannot believe the universe exists either since it cannot be fully explained. For example: no one knows for sure black holes have infinite mass. Einstein's General Relativity equation does not explain all motion in the universe. If you want to convince me there is no God u will need to do better. I'm open to God's existence as well as non-existence.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves We live in the universe so unlike a god, it's atleast fully proven. Again, you can't put your god into the gaps everytime a scientist can't explain something. People have been doing that for thousands of years which is why most god concepts are dying out. I don't need to convince you there's no god. The lack of evidence is enough and if you claim there's a god, you must convince me of that or no offense, shut up. I'm open to those too. So far, no evidence for a god.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Great. Think about it this way. There is no real explanation of how the pyramids in Egypt were constructed, there are only plausible reasons. If I use your logic there can be no builders since we don't know who or how it was built. Use the pyramids as a metaphor for the universe, we don't know who or how it was constructed, we only have plausible reasons. It's reasonable to assume God could exist. Therefore I say your argument is not air tight and had some weakness.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves We can contruct pyramids today and through science we can figure out how pyramid are made. Also, we have proof they were made by humans, not nature. Bad analogy. If you can't explain how a god contructs the universe, we have no reason to discuss this creation myth.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan No, you need to follow through on your logic. You cannot explain who, what and how the pyramids were built, therefore they cannot exist since this is your stance. The analogy works perfect. You also will have difficulties with believing 1+1=2 since Russell proved it then later recanted his proof. Therefore since it cant be proved it does not exist. You are setting unrealistic values and limits then since they cannot be obtained they do not exist.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves What's wrong with you? I explained how we know who built them. THE EGYPTIANS. How? Let's build them and we'll find out. According to ancient history, they used the pully system. If god just magically did everything, we would need to figure out how things work. I have two drumkits. Each are individual drumkits. 1+1=2 :). You're not even giving me a method of seeing if a god exists. Maybe you should try doing that because you're falsely accusing me of something I'm not doing.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Russell took about 300 pages to prove 1+1=2, you took one sentence, what's wrong with you? Two drumikits are not completely equal therefore if you add them together you get more/less than two. You were there at the time of the building of the pyramids? You are believing what others have told you, there is NO ONE who knows precisely how the pyramids were constructed not even you. There is only conjecture of that process, therefore the builders cannot exist, using your logic.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Are you slow or something? How many fucking times must I explain myself? No one was there at the time of the universe's "birth". We use what evidence we have to come up with a conclusion and I'm still waiting on your evidence for a god let alone why I should care if a god exists sense that doesn't help education or morality. There's evidence or them and not your god. Therefore, they exist(ed) and I find no reason to think anyone's god exists.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Egypt was not a state back then, so it was not Egyptians. You're too careless with details. How many times will I need to inform you proving God is none-sense? You can't prove 1+1=2 but yet you believe it. You can't prove the details of precisely who, how and what built the pyramids but you believe someone did it. You can't prove where all photons are at all times, but you believe they are somewhere. No one can prove God but you don't believe in God. You're inconsistent.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves It was and still is a country. A country called Egypt with Egyptians. I've given plenty of reasons why god is nonsense. I just proved 1+1=2. One thing plus another thing equals two things. I proved it so I belive it. I already proved who built the pyramids. History proves who built them and study proves how. Not sure what else you want from me but this is clearly some kinda game you're playing and it's a waste of time. Nobody can prove god (even me and I've tried), thus atheism.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan I think you do not take the time to evaluate the details and sweep everything under the rug. You cannot prove 1+1=2, nobody can, not even the greatest atheist of our time Russell could. You can't either, but somehow you believe it. NO historian would dare to claim they know precisely who built the pyramids nor how, it would be conjecture. NO physicist will ever tell you where all photons are at all times. This is not a game, it's using logic for you have no rights in logic.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves I think you come to un-justified conclusions. I do evaluate the details which is how I come up with conclusions that are based on evidence and DETAILS brought by the evidence. I just did prove 1+1=2 which is why you've yet to disprove my method for proving it. Math helps alot of people and those people would disagree with you conclusion that 1+1 doesn't equal 2. I'll say this again; EGYPTIANS! You're talking in circles. It's a game. On to you; prove god.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Look up Russell, he did not prove 1+1=2, nobody can do, sorry that upsets you but that's the way it is. We assume someone built the pyramids, we don't know who or how, probably never will, that's a fact you will have to deal with. Absolutely no one will ever know the energy state of every atom at all times, will not ever happen, you must deal with that fact. There is knowledge you will never know, you must deal with that fact. Logic gives no rights to no person.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves You're a psycho. I just said who built them and with the process of science and technology, we can figure out the most primitive way of building pyramids. Not knowing everything, doesn't give you the right to place god in those gaps of knowledge. Nobody knew what caused natural disasters so they blamed sin or gods. Now, stop being a coward and prove god exists or I'm done.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan When arguments turn to personal attacks those attacks usually come from the person with no real answer to the questions. I did not imply that God fills any gaps. The argument of "proving" Gods existence is the wrong tool to find out if God is real. It is as wrong as trying to prove 1+1=2, it can't be done. Its like using a water balloon to hammer nails. In modern times the question of God comes down to two ideas. Did the universe come about by a random act or was it God.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Stephen Hawkins (who I think is a scientific charlatan) thinks the universe came about by a random act. The problem with that thought is something must exist before a random act can occur. So he trys to show a random act can occur from nothing. That raises another problem, he's something occurs. For something to occur, time is needed and space and time are something. Einstein's Relativity theories depended on it.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves We are in the same boat clipsryan, it's just that I realize "proving" God's existence is futile and is not the way of showing anything real. You got to realize that in order live in reality. If you don't you will live your entire life waiting on an explanation that will never come. Unless you enjoy destroying religious peoples hope. If that's the case than that's too bad, for I think we are here to help others. not destroy them
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Just be honest that you can't prove it. I'm asking you to prove this god and why I should care that it probably exists or exists for sure. If you can't do that, you're wasting my time. If someone can prove a god exists and that I should care if they can or can't, bring it on. The universe is my "god" though this god doesn't ask for money, murder, worship or genocide. Hope in what? Another life so to not take this one seriously? Hope in a belief that harms education? Fragile hope?
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan For the last time, I will not, you did not, nor will anyone else ever prove 1+1=2 in an absolute sense. You did not prove 1+1=2 by referring to two nails. You cannot use the physical world to prove a mathematical formula. Math is proved with using sets of numbers. The formation of the universe was not random but the formation of the solar system was? This makes no sense. For the last time, there is no definition of God, there never will be. God is not a science project.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves How many times am I going to have explain you can't prove God existence, it's an unrealistic expectation. It's like using a 99 cent balloon filled with water as a hammer. It does not work. Modern philosophers realize God's existence or non-existence comes down to random acts or not random act. So far all we have measured is random acts. No one has ever seen any being behind the scenes. It is impossible to know when an atom will expel an alpha particle. It's random.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves So why should I care if there's a god let alone respect the beliefs in one? You can just say it doesn't work. Using a balloon filled with water as a hammer as an analogy, is pointless. For the millionth time, random acts don't happen by an all powerful controlling force. You're still failing at proving why I should respect religious beliefs. No surprise but again, you are wasting your time and mine.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Just did about ten times. Wow, I have to be extremely literal with you. If a god created the universe, it wouldn't be a random occurance but we have evidence that the universe is a random occurence thanks to science/astronomy. Either god creates things randomly or it doesn't. Exactly, god doesn't exist.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@SummerThieves I don't care what you think about Stephen and if an all powerful being brought the universe into existence, how could we claim it was random? Clearly is only happened once or universes pop into existence all the time randomly. The formation of our solar system occured randomly. If a being creates something that contains time and space, that being either existed during the creation of the something of that being doesn't exist.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan You're going to have to prove the universe happened only once and that is was not a random event.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves I just explained how a single universe being created by an all powerful being, isn't random, it's controlled. Your premise of a random occerance happening from a controlling being, doesn't work. :)
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan If God did not create the universe then a random act did. If you and you alone have solved that problem then you deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. Guess what, you didn't, nobody has. But in your mind you did. You live in a fabricated fantasy. You have no more proof the universe started as a random act then theists have that God did it. Who's to say that God cannot create without random acts? That would put a limit on God, And we can only assume he's limitless.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Yes, a random act did occur and there's no need for a NPP because that's common sense. What's complete BS is that a being exists outside of the universe eventhough the universe contains all of existence. This raises the question of who/what created god. Unlike theists, I'm able to break it down and all you can do is say "Nope, your wrong.......". It's not random if it's pre-meditated. This also implies that god has a brain. He? So god has a dick now?
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan You can send your proof that the universe came about by random action to the following address. If you do indeed have proof then submit it and get the Nobel Peace Prize. worldscinet But I know you can't since there has been no other legitimate scientist who has, except you. Brains and penis's are physical, who claimed God to be anything physical. Anti-matter exists for but for seconds, and exists outside of our universe.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Again, a NPP would be given to those that claim this world is less than 10,000 years old, a global flood happened and that a perfect being needs or would want worship. You claimed "HIM" to be physical by saying you know it's a him. Why should I believe a non-physical thing created all of the universe? So anti-matter is god? You see how you're constantly refute all of your previous statments? You're terrible at this. Still waiting on your proof of god and why I should allow it.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan You also cannot prove all existence is in the universe, but in your mind you can. Feel free to tell us the exact dimensions of the universe where all existence lays. When you do please submit it to (worldsinet) But once again I'm willing to bet my meager life saves you can't do it. It's funny that you ask theists to prove Gods existence but you can prove anything you say.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves In logic I can and did. Nothing exists outside of time and space which is what the universe contains. Theists are the ones that stand on a claim they can't prove but impose on the world. The people that care about truth and continue to gather more information, are looked at as being the ones who should disprove negatives while proving they know everything about everything. What's truly funny is the most ignorant people claim to talk to the "all knowing one".
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Again, submit your paper that proves the universe began with a random act, to (worldsinet) dot com and we'll see what you have proved. Nothing.You don't know how large the universe is but yet you claim all of existence lays within it. This is double talk, its fallacy and it is not real. You will need to prove that the universe contains all things that exist. Again submit a paper and prove it. I will personally fly to Copenhagen and congratulate you if you prove it.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves So if you already think it's gonna be nothing, what's the point? Talk to any atrologist and they'll tell you that the universe contains all of existence. Random or not, nothing exists outside of it. Like a coward you hide from you part of the debate where you must provide your evidence for a god. Selfishly you insist on having me do all the work while you sit back with your claims that you insist aren't able to be proven yet you believe in them.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan How many times do I have to tell you, THERE IS NO DEFINITION OF GOD. THE END! I could careless about what "atrologist" (this is not a word) say. I want to hear your proof that all things are contained within the universe. You will first need to prove its size in order to do that. When you do please submit it to (worldinet) dot com. Prove your assertions or stop talking.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Ok ( I know your not going to get it but here goes) 1+1=2, You must first define two objects that have absolutely no difference between them, they cannot be distinguished by any means. They must be absolutely equal. Two nails are distinguishable, that means there must be a difference between them and that difference between them will cause them not add up to two, but add up to something more than two or less then two.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves The Pyramid, No one, absolutely no one knows the precise date they were built, only guess work of about when. There is no mention of pyramid building in any hieroglyphics ever found, none. On record on how, when, no plans, no drawling. But every other part of the builders lives are scratched in hieroglyphics except pyramid building.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves For the millionth time, we can construct pyramids using the materials one would find during those times. Are you suggesting a god built them. If not, you have no argument. If so, prove it.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@SummerThieves We're talking numbers. Math, not identical objects which would then equal to 2. Man, you're slow.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@SummerThieves There are millions of definitions, you just hide behind the idea that god can't be defined to prevent the responsibility of having to prove a claim you hold. Astrology, smartass. It's called science. The definition of the universe states that it contains all of existence. Happy? Also, this is text. I'm not talking ;).
clipsryan 1 month ago
@SummerThieves There is about 2,300,000 stone in the great pyramid. Most scientist think it took 20 years to build it. There is 175200 hours in 20 years. That means approximately one stone for every 13 hours. Modern scientist have show 15 men can easily move a 5-10 ton stone mostly by hand. It took them more than 13 hours to cut the stone and move it. Problem is some stones are over 70 tons. All the pyramids were built using cooper tools, modern scientist use steel.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves You cannot prove how, when or who built the pyramids why do you believe in them? Just because you see them? Really? Your that infantile? You see the universe but believe there is no maker, this is inconsistent thought process. No modern scientist has move 70 tons of rock by hand let alone hoist it several meters in the air then place it so exact that a razor blade cannot be fit between them. Who ever built the things was way ahead of their times.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Just did. I believe where the evidence leads me. You see a maker yet see no maker for it? How is that anymore logical. I see trees that reproduce by themselvs along with hermaphrodites. Why should I believe a conscious being floating in nothingness, existed and created something in such a violent way but wants credit from those that can't even agree on what version god is let alone what a god is capable of and why it would focuse it's power to one small planet.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Neither theists or atheist can bullshit me. But you're trying. Not once did you prove the universe contains all that exists. Not once did explain in detail the size of the universe were all things exist. If you do not prove these statements I can only conclude your statements are unqualified. As I said before, I am open to the fact that God could exist as well as he does not. No one has prove when the pyramids were built, please show your proof.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves The concept of "one" is not real. Never has been never will be since on one can experience "one". Except for you of course. Feel free to send your proof of 1+1=2 to (worldsinet) dot com. (Don't bother there going to reject your argument.)
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves So it's multiple gods that created the universe is that what you're saying? You're hilarious. This doesn't do anything to help your argument. I explained the different in material and math with 1+1. So far, all you've done is prove not one thing is identical as if that's relevant and that you believe in god for no reason at all. I'm done, you're a waste of time.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Not once did I say I believe in God. (after taking with you I just might) That's your opinion. Feel free to send you proofs to (worldsinet) dot com. I see you haven't done that. You never will since it is impossible to prove using classical logic, which you have severe problems using. You have made nothing but outrageous claims that cannot be proven. Again, prove all of existence lays with the universe, prove the size of the universe were all existence lays.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Prove who, what and how the pyramids were constructed. You have not done that yet, you just said words. Prove you know where all photons are at all times. Prove The universe started with a random event. Which btw you have no concept that if you do you will prove that you do not know how the universe started since the very definition of random means you do not know the cause of an event. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves There,s a thing called faith,But the only faith you find is in an endless sea of words,and you should only deny 'God if you have taking it upon 'Yourself to find Him..you find only words agaisnt Him,I know you have never felt the "Holy Spirit or you would not deny Him,but Through 'God in my prayers God,s Holy Spirit will come to you(you will deny it) but it will come-best way I can tell u feels like wierd,deep down someones there tingling feeling,,Heads up +++
TheX2711 1 month ago
@TheX2711 Dude, chillax, I'm not a God denier, but I am a realist. If God does exist he will never be explained in scientific terms, his explanation is purely an abstract concept very similar to the concept of "one". Nothing could be more unreal then when atheists ask for the definition of God with the intention of proving that definition does not exists. It is just as dumb as a theist trying to define God. To me a theist and an atheist are the same person, philosophically speaking.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves I offer to prove Him,the world were in now there is nothing left for "God,but to be poven,I know I never knew the Lord"God.ever before.And when a person in completely filled by the Holy Spirit(accept it) they will also relize there is something else that is at work(unclean)=works through every single person who dose not walk with the Lord"God and His ways.I will keep sending the Holy Spirit as to prove Him it is up to each to accept or deny Him that all I can do +++
TheX2711 1 month ago
@TheX2711 Not sure what you are trying to say or prove here. I was referring the previous dude "clipsryan" who is basically clueless when it comes to classical logic. I grew up jewish, my rabbi basically taught God was infinite. This is about the only explanation that makes any sense to me. Since infinity is unexplainable in many ways and can not be completely comprehended by our feeble minds. Keep searching my friend, I'm glad you have found answers that put you at ease.
SummerThieves 1 month ago
@SummerThieves My search has ended,and I am trying to Help others because so many are searching and listening to men not 'God who is infinite and his power is the same and he allowed me away I can serve him and that,s giving what every one is screaming for to prove Him,So I am through ;God placing the Holy Spirit on them,and even though the evil that here working,they will deny Him but not all will be saved and all I can do is my part.before he waste this abomination of a world+++
TheX2711 1 month ago
@SummerThieves Holy shit, I guess ignorance is truly bliss for you. I just showed my evidence for the universe AND the pyramids. Like a coward, you avoid them and like a moron (yes, a moron) you insist on repeating questions I've answered many times now. Again, this is clearly alittle game you're trying to play and I have more important things to do than waste time with the intellectually dishonest.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@SummerThieves The pyramids of giza were built in the 2,000s BC and some were made out of stone while others were made out of brick. The earliest one (Djoser) was built during the 3rd dynasty. Imhotep designed it. Pick up a book and stop embarassing yourself. It's pretty obvious that egyptians built egyptian pyramids for their egyptians lords. Cooper tools? Nice, one. See we all make spelling errors.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@SummerThieves The truth hurts. You did imply god fills gaps because you keep bringing up the fact that I don't know everything and at the end of this comment you just did imply god fills the gap of what started the universe. Nice job. I've proven that 1+1=2 about 5 fucking times now! How many nails? 2 (1+1) of them? The universe came about by itself. Random is unknown and irrelevant. Same question for your god.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Well then let me educate you. To begin with, it is not, nor will it ever be, my job to convert anyone. My job is to preach the gospel of the good news (as Jesus said in the Bible which I will ignorantly assume you have read as you seem know everything) which is that Jesus died to save all of us. You ask how do I know that God loves you? God sent His son to die on a cross, a son who was blameless in His sight, so that we might be saved. All He asks is that you believe and trust in Him.
dubberrucckie 1 month ago
@clipsryan Hell is not a scare tactic. You wouldn't fear Hell if you knew that you would have eternal life with the Lord through salvation. And as for those thousands of kids that need His "supposed love," the Lord says that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. The Lord has given us dominion and power over the earth. However, because many souls have not accepted Jesus and would rather spend time doing what they want instead of His work, these thousands of kids are not shown His love.
dubberrucckie 1 month ago
@dubberrucckie I don't fear hell because other religions use hell and they lack evidence for it just like you. The greeks and romans that ruled the supposed holy land, had their concept of hell. This is before the bible was even written and again, no truth, needs a threat. No loving and mercyful being would use a threat. Heaven doesn't sound any better sense it's nothing but eternal worship of a being that allows children to die. How can an all knowing and all powerful one blame anyone?
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan Believe what you will. My only desire is for others to know Christ as I know Him, for them to walk in light and truth. I am not asking you to trust me, I am only asking that you trust God. However, I will write this. How funny it is that you say that faith is stupid, that it is devoid of evidence/knowledge. You have faith that God doesn't exist and yet you have no evidence or knowledge of that. You have yet to back up any statement with fact. So I ask this: why should I believe you?
dubberrucckie 1 month ago
@dubberrucckie I have no choice so thanks for the permission. You've had 2,000 years and there are plenty of churches and bible's. Pick something more helpful to do with your time. Why should I trust god? I don't have faith in anything that doesn't exist, not existing. I mean come one. I have justified reliance on the probabilities of certain things happening or existing. If you have knowledge, you don't need faith (believing things for no justified reason.). Because I actually exist.
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan They are not helped because many refuse to answer the call of God. I have answered. You have not. But I ask that you not harden your heart, that you not turn away from the love of God. The breath of air you just took, that was God. The fact that you woke up this morning, that was also God. I know who God is because I have spent time with Him. I don't need to see Him to know that He is real, that's what faith is. How do I know God loves you? He is using me.
dubberrucckie 1 month ago
@dubberrucckie Many of them have their own gods or none. If your god is too busy, lazy, or unable to prevent thousands of children from dying (even those that actually believe), your god is pointless. The breath of air I just took was air. Spent time where and what were you doing? Also, why should I believe you if someone said they spent time with him at the same time doing very different things? Faith is stupid. It's devoid of evidence/knowledge. Using u? Where's the free will in that?
clipsryan 1 month ago
@clipsryan When I get frustrated when you don't understand and won't believe, He reminds me not to give up. There is a reason why you clicked on the link. To be honest, I don't even remember how I got to this video. I have never even heard of the movie. But what I do know is that because I am willing, He is speaking to you through me. He has a purpose and a destiny for your life (believe it or not). He has called you. He is still calling you (that gentle tug on your heart) because He loves you.
dubberrucckie 1 month ago
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Humans wrote the bible.
Prayer is a placebo.
Atheists are generally smarter than religious people.
The bible supports slavery, sacrificing your child, and stoning people to death.
Morality does not come from the bible.
Most of the 10 commandments aren't even laws..
LOGICandREAS0N 2 months ago
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bawla007 2 months ago
I hate to say it, but white people will hate jesus bcuz he aint white.
Suffersosweetly 2 months ago
@Suffersosweetly LOL. I hope you're kidding. His Love, my unknown friend...is colorless, raceless, & pure. As for your judgement of all white people "will hate Jesus bcuz he ain't white..." well let me just say (& I'm white) you most likey are wrong, as most of us whites KNOW he was not "white." To be accurate, The Son of God need not be white, black, Jewish, Italian, African or even human, but came down to offer Himself to His Father as an unblemished sacrifice in order He save us from Satan.
Kazyman 2 months ago
@Suffersosweetly
Well Im white and I love Jesus whatever colour he is
So I guess you're wrong
Good luck to you and have a nice life
HammerJammerDingDong 2 months ago
lol and why is evryone talkiing aout god and stuff. If u believe n him u do if u dont then u dont. thats it. unless ur a priest its not ur job to convince people of ur beliefs
xCutieAmyx 2 months ago
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unknownamus 2 months ago
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unknownamus 2 months ago
GOD IS GOOD!!
GodisG.com
bawla007 2 months ago
Why does God let tragedies happen in the first place?
Why should it take a tragedy in order for someone to "grow" or "change"?
unknownamus 2 months ago
@unknownamus
It is not of gods will that bad things happen, it is either of nature or of the wills of humans that murder,sickness,and death happen. Life is a test and if anything were such a test then it would not be considered as such.
even so, if god dose tinker with our lives how could anyone meet to the needs of so many people at once to be happy.
Arexeum 2 months ago
@unknownamus because humans are stubborn and wont learn from words. only from experiences
xCutieAmyx 2 months ago
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Many Christians want to believe so badly they will ignore scientific evidence, reason, common sense and their own better judgment. Religions have perverted the meaning of the word "truth." The Websters Dictionary definition says what the word means: truth: "being in accord with fact or reality" - Search for "Church of Innerspace" in Google and read what it says. It is not what you think it is.
Moonlight7557 3 months ago
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You heard people say- "it will never be found", "it ain't true", "it just can't be".
I'm here to tell you these People are wrong- I found it. Using Google Earth -
I found God's Watermarks of the REAL Garden of Eden. Look at my Channel and see the short Video I made of it. I didn't point all of it out either- there are many things still hid for you to find. Come see !
downyourtube 3 months ago
i am god
the universe is my spooge
pinoypro87 3 months ago
This guy seems cool. I'll withold any religious comments, because I'd start yet another flame war.
TsubasaOnmitsu 3 months ago
god is fake
IAmANub 3 months ago
@IAmANub Good u can say that when ur ass burn in hell :D
AustinDarkKiller 3 months ago 2
@AustinDarkKiller hell doesn't exist mam, you are wrong.
rhombusskullvsteal 3 months ago
@rhombusskullvsteal Yes hell is real.I went there 1978.I also went to heaven at the same time.
moomman89 3 months ago
@moomman89 I actually experienced a both heaven and hell similtaniously on the substance known as "salvia divinorum" and felt very close to this god consiousness as well as the hell consiousness. they were in the room with me. beleive it or not it is a powerfull powerfull substance. one of the most powerfull spiritual experiences of my life besides birth which I can not remember. I'm telling you.
rhombusskullvsteal 3 months ago
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@moomman89 YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!
TheTruthisBackNow 2 months ago
@rhombusskullvsteal IF he doesnt exist then tel me how the earth was made and dont say the big bang if that was true who made the big bang? Where did humans come from? How do u knwo he doesnt exist please tell me!
AustinDarkKiller 2 months ago
@AustinDarkKiller what the hell in the world are you talking about? I didn't say anybody didn't exist.
rhombusskullvsteal 2 months ago
@AustinDarkKiller how does the earth being made and the big bang have any universal correlation to hell existing?
rhombusskullvsteal 2 months ago
@AustinDarkKiller ANOTHER DELUDED ASSHOLE. WHO MADE YOUR PERFECTLY FORMED GOD?? DO YOU THINK HE APPEARED OUT OF THIN AIR IN SPACE WHERE IT IS 400 DEGREES BELOW ZERO.
TheTruthisBackNow 2 months ago
@TheTruthisBackNow Thats ur opinion u didnt give me a straight answer how do u know there is no God. U cant answer it becaue ur narrow minded ready for hell ass loser. Stfu no one cares for ur false opinion u already done for! Im not going to argue with somone from the likes of ur retarted ass. Have fun in hell im sure it will suit u the best
AustinDarkKiller 2 months ago
@AustinDarkKiller GROW UP YOU ASSHOLE. THERE IS NO HELL OT YOU WOULD ALREADY BE IN IT! YOU ARE SO BRAINWASHED AND STUPID!
TheTruthisBackNow 2 months ago
@TheTruthisBackNow Im not brain washed i just know how to have faith in somthing that is real unlike u. U take ur facts from shit you cant prove. Like just now i asked u several question u never did answered. U just cused me out and told me to grow up. Now think do i really need to grow up? Nope i already did way before ur ass did.
AustinDarkKiller 2 months ago
@TheTruthisBackNow Prove it or shut up. Go ahead, prove your comments
devilndeepbluesea 2 months ago
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90trill1 2 months ago
@IAmANub ummm.....i wonder how many religious ppl will dislike ur comment..........just saying
oxMiyukI1xo 3 months ago
@IAmANub the only reason u don't beileve in god is because you see that he hasn't provided any of his promises to you, u can't say GOD isn't real if u never read a single page of the bible. i bet u my life if u read the new testament and understand wat ur reading u'll not only beileve in god but hes all u;ll ever want
hasoxtinaks 3 months ago
@hasoxtinaks Understand what I'm reading... maybe if you get hooked on fonics and you understand what YOU'RE reading you'll realize what a moron you are
IAmANub 3 months ago