Hillary Clinton Iraq War Full Speech 10/10/02 Part 1

[tsharpmac420]

"therefore on no account should dissent be discourgage unless it's dissent from Ron Paul supporters"

that is what the stupid cunt meant to say.

[ferimentodefoice]

Just die.

[ABBAS8953]

oooops what an evil

[viagemixtlan]

She`s a killer. in a normal society, this fuck would never get beyond a stove

[TheTeenSleuth]

wasn't his name sadDAM Hussein? why does she pronounce it SODdom? At least get the name right if you are going to make a speech about going to war with Iraq.

[NihilisticSliceshow]

didn't she end up apologizing for this speech and saying that if she had the chance to make a different decision, she would have?

[AmandaMeMe9]

wow you guys are all dumb!!! I love Hillary she would of been a great president.

[darkdudironaji]

No she wouldn't. She's never even run a 7-11. How would she run a country?

[iaccik]

Excuse me for the mistake.I'm from Canada and I highly admire and adore Hillary Clinton.I just enjoy listening to her speech and her voice!

[iaccik]

I'm from Canadian and I highly admire and adore Hillary Clinton.I just enjoy listening to her speech and her voice!

[machinedaddy69]

LOL hillary is a liar and an idiot.

[mrtyles]

why on earth did you vote for the war then hillary?

[Devin1488]

the senate never voted for war. the situation in iraq is a military operation conducted by the executive branch. what she voted for was the authority of the executive to use the military if Saddam wouldn't allow UN inspectors to do their job.

[machinedaddy69]

wich means inturn she voted for the war,............

[Devin1488]

@machinedaddy69 uh no.  because bush didn't allow the inspectors to do their job. george bush went to war. hillary clinton wasn't president in 2004, and the so called "Iraq War" was never approved by congress. it was merely funded by congress, thanks to votes from many, including our current President.

[triton609]

Dumbshit tax sponging cunt! I work untold hours so this stupid cunt can spout her leftist bullshit! I bet if she worked for a living her ass would not be so gigantic.

[Scotty7617]

It's good Hilary's no longer running for president. Now she has extra time to vote for more unwinnable wars and more Patriot Acts and other crap she'll later criticize and try to distance herself from when she runs in 2012.

[albumartist]

Scott, the Sec. of State doesn't have a vote when deciding to go to war. She can advise the President, but at the end of the day, it's still his call.

[Scotty7617]

@albumartist

If you recall this was 2002, and she was Senator Clinton at the time, not Secretary of State Clinton, so she very clearly could cast a vote to go to war.

[Govtflu]

Remarkably life-like.

[electrodyne1]

Does anybody really believe that Hillary (a Walmart Director) didn't know about the marts role in moving jobs to China?

Does anyone really believe that a family that has had HUGE wealth and power for years is not elitist?

Does anyone really believe that Hillary's repeated "mis speaking" is presidential?

Does anyone really believe that taking money from coke dealers for their "library" is OK?

Ok..then go ahead and vote for Hillary.

or maybe the Easter Bunny..some folks will believe anything.

[yahtzey111]

who is supporting Hillary? less educated, older, female voters. do we want dumb old women deciding the direction of this country? not a demographic I would be proud of having on my team.

[Thycid]

This bitch needs to shut up already. Fuck.

[Thycid]

I didn't realize that this was an "intelligent" batch of folks. Ok.. Her desire to attack her opponent in a very unprofessional way has done damage to the reputation of the Democratic party as well as her own image. Not to mention her changing of positions on major issues such as Nafta, and Iraq. The way her comments have damaged the Democratic party will hurt it during the general election as well. I can see McCain winning the presidency because of Hillary and I do not want that to happen.

[SaebjornBonesmasher]

she gives a very boring speech...

[4nola27]

Go see the movie out in April " Body of War" . Also, here on YouTube Body of War Bill Moyers PBS . You'll see Senator Byrd opposing the war and Hillary endorsing the war.

We must be very careful on our selection of President this year.

McCain = Dementia

Hillary = Lies

Easy Decision, I think.

[AmericanMarine7th]

go to hell you commie

[saxrider]

she has a lot of experience. that's the best "cover your ass" speech I've ever seen. She's covered almost all her bases in that speech. No matter how goes the future, she's left herself an "out", from any possible outcome. About one of the slickest politicians out there. She's learned a lot from her husband. "always leave yourself an out".

[conotoxin]

saxrider - "that's the best "cover your ass" speech I've ever seen."

Yes, because that is what we want in a leader... the ability to slither out from what you said, to mislead people and then blame your lies on others...

[Thornbackray]

Hillary Clinton made a mistake putting the awesome responsibility of not going to war into president Bush's hands. She authorized the use of force to a president eager to use it no matter what. Either because of lack of judgment or simple political convenience, she failed. Quite ironic, now she is trying to put down one of the few public servants, Obama, with the judgment and moral stands to oppose Bush's war since 2002.

[activistmusician]

it's true, she has a lot of experience...

at making the WRONG DECISION and getting a lot of people killed for it.

[wawbwc]

Ron Paul lost, so did you.

[smoothcriminal24]

this is only one speech. what happened when the votes were cast. Did she vote yes or no?

[ChargedFan]

You obviously didn't listen to the full speech! And only one speech? One of many for her--it is Obama who made one speech, at an anti-war rally. Hillary had the audacity to try to educate the President as to the various options and outcomes and warn the President directly about going to war. Please inform yourself.

[smoothcriminal24]

You did not answer my question. When it was time to vote on the war, did she vote yes or no?

[ChiGuy1978]

According to page 294 of Obama's Audacity of Hope, "Like most analysts, I assumed that Saddam had chemical and biological weapons and coveted nuclear arms."

During a July 2004 interview on Meet the Press when asked how he would have voted on the Iraq resolution, Obama answered "I don't know...There's not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage."

[yoacheckit]

cheers to hillary being right on day one

[terraform33]

Hillary helped ride the Bus in the Ditch. She cannot be trusted when the call comes in at 3am

[newdayo]

where was all of Hillary Clinton's experience when she voted for the war in Iraq....she was naive in trusting George Bush....we need change in this country and a President who has good judgement.....VOTE FOR OBAMA

[bradshaw57]

Read or listen to the entire speech. That is just a small portion. Hussein was a killer of his own people and others. Hitler was as well maybe we should've stayed out of that war as well.Maybe Obama was opposed to it because his muslim roots and Hussein and Obama carry the same name, a Muslim name.Obama wants our troops to go into Paksitan.If he is elected with a muslim name it won't matter if he is christian he still carries a Muslim name.

[newdayo]

yes, because he has an Islamic background makes him a better candidate because he understands d middle east better than any other candidate and will be able to handle them better. This is one reason why he was able to discern the negative outcome of invading Iraq. Voters keep forgetting Osama bin Laden is still alive and Al Qaeda is more dangerous than ever befopre, we need to go after them.This is what Obama has been saying "stop the war in Iraq and go after Al Qaeda". OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN !!!!

[ChargedFan]

You make the presumption he's a better candidate solely due to his heritage. But a check of the facts, supported by many top brass who've endorsed Hillary as CiC, shows she has a tremendous grasp of the Middle East & far more issues. To what do you give the credit for her being able to clearly discern and warn the President about the negative outcome of invading Iraq? Hillary hasn't forgotten about Osama bin Laden--and she's been recommending redirecting our troops for years, again before him.

[MarieCanSee]

You understand that the only reason the US joined the conflict in WWII is because we were attacked, right? And that previous to that we had been asked for, and had decided not to, aid Europe.

[Revere1776]

So, in other words, these Democrats are against the continuing of THIS war but they have absolutely no problem with preemptive invasion, empire building, installing puppet regimes and so forth. When you are "anti-war" and support fools like Obama & Clinton you are in dire need of doing more research. American empire building has been supported by both parties for the last 100 years. Obama & Clinton both don't intend to change that overall policy, believe me.

[CanadianPerspective]

HILLARY, YOUR "BEEF" SMELLS ROTTEN! BUYER BEWARE!The more factual information voters have, the more likely her campaign is doomed! Obama's website shows the "BEEF" is there. He has a detailed plan & strategies to resolve "issues". Just because the Clinton's say he's not qualified for "the Job", doesn't mean it's so. Voters should look & compare their "resumes" instead of relying on hearsay. If a candidate misleads Americans from the truth, what does it say about the candidate?

[Finethnx]

How about watching the speech, both parts, before you comment.

[mcline007]

I am not sexist; the only reason why i wont support hillary is that SHE VOTED FOR THIS NONSENSE WAR

[pafecktguy]

right.... ready from day one?

[Dekartdek]

How selfish this explanation is... The middle east is on the other side of the world. The first who would be in danger are the Europeans. So be honest: Why weren't they more concerned about Iraq than USA?

[winterspan]

Hillary Clinton is NOT THE CANDIDATE that can bring change to politics and most importantly bring our country together. She has the highest negative with nearly every 1/2 of the country literally hating her. She doesn't stand a chance against Mccain since her nomination would greatly empower the conservative base to defeat her.

Nominating Obama will ensure that the conservatives stay home on election day because of not being happy with McCain.

VOTE OBAMA FOR CHANGE! NOT ANOTHER CLINTON!

[atm4382]

I wish people would listen to the video in it's entirety before making comments.

Obama was not in the senate for or against the war. Obama has voted for funding the war since being in the senate.

Hillary makes some very good points in this speech regardless of whether you agree or disagree. Let's learn to be objective and focus on the facts.

[newdayo]

Continuation...I mean,do u have a loved one in the military and if u don't what if u did(perhaps a brother,sister,son,father,mum)­? what if Hillary sent the person to war and he/she died then she came to tell u " sorry, I made a mistake " how would u feel? what people 4get is that a President is also Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. Hillary would make a good President but not a good Commander in Chief. VOTE FOR OBAMA,d better choice of the 2. He's not perfect either but has good judgement.

[adarrow83]

speak for its self. It's what you hear,it's what you get. ...or go back to preschool.

Very clear message.

[oakalala14]

You know who voted against the war in Iraq from day 1? Obama. He knows where he stands. He's got my vote (no note just because of that, hes got great perspectives and ideas: which is what this country needs right now).

[311Transistor311]

But Obama voted to fund it. Ron Paul voted against the war in Iraq AND the funding.

[atm4382]

Obama did not vote against the war. He was not a member of the Senate when the vote was made. Since he has been in the Senate, he has voted to fund the war in Iraq.

[mcline007]

Obama did not vote against the war. He was not a member of the Senate when the vote was made. Since he has been in the Senate, he has voted to fund the war in Iraq.

GET INFORMED

[samanthaherring]

But he publicly spoke out against the war (the year that he didn't get a chance to vote).

[ohmercy]

Yes, he did. However the fact is he was not in the Senate and he was not privy to all the facts and all the information that those in the senate and on varying committees. As we now know everything they were shown wasn't factual. As we now know Barack was right in opposing the war... but it does not follow that he would still have opposed the war if he was in the Senate and had the same information available to him. No one can say that, even Obama himself.That would be intellectual dishonesty.

[Finethnx]

So did I. Big deal.

[darlynn12]

he also spoke about the war before the war happened, go look it up July 2004 interview on Meet the Press he said "his decision at the point would be no different than that of George Bush". READ Get informed don't believe everything you hear without checking things out. There are several interviews in 2002 that Obama agreed with the decisions made, he can lie and say that isn't so b/c most people won't look up the truth.

[Tlallen29]

As one who IS INFORMED. Obama opposed the war regardless of his ability or inability to vote on it. Clinton did. thats a fact. When Obama reached the senate he voted to fund our troops. Unfortunately that distinction cannot be stipulated to in a senate vote. the difference being he was against putting our troops at risk by sending them to this war BUT he refused to let them be there without the things they would need to survive.

GET INFORMED.

[newdayo]

Hillary Clinton doesn't know what she is doing on this issue of the Iraq War. Is this not the same person that strongly opposses the war now? VOTE FOR OBAMA !!!

[atm4382]

What makes you say she doesn't know what she is doing? Make sure you include all the other Senators who voted "yes" in that statement. Obama was not in the Senate for that vote, but has consistently voted to fund the war.

Have you made a mistake before based on what you thought at the time was the right choice, but later had to re-think the action. Yes this was a grave mistake but it was a mistake that was made with the intent to protect the American people.

[newdayo]

Obama has always opposed the war in Iraq from the start and voted against it...I don't know y u r saying he wasn't in the senate?even if you are right about his presence in the senate,he has always opposed the war even before it started. Yes, people make mistakes that's y we need someone with good judgement as President.Of couse nobody is perfect that's y we should choose the best option. I mesan the mistakes uo there can cause thousands of Americans their lives so there is no room for errors.

[Finethnx]

You do not deserve to vote if you are this uninformed. Everyone is saying he wasn't in the Senate because he wasn't.

He did not vote against it, because he wasn't a Senator. If you do not know this, you have no business talking about any of this.

[newdayo]

whether he had the opportunity to vote against the war or not is not the issue that bothers me.The fact that he was able 2 discern the outcome of invading Iraq and that he publicly opposed it from the start when Hillary supported it is what makes Obama a better candidate for President . I'm a fellow American and I have the right 2 vote;I've been watching all the debates and scrutinizing the candidates closely. So I have enough knowlegde to use in discerning who can be a better president.

[Dekartdek]

When your brother goes to fight his enemy, although you begged him not to do so, would you turn around and let him fail? Or would you at least help him to survive?

[NeoXC]

"Iraq has given aid, comfort, and sanctuary for terrorists, including members of Al Quada." - Hillary Clinton 5:17 to 5:27

She sounds exactly how Bush sounded.

[Diazt3r]

You are fucking retarded. Listen to the whole speech. She didn't support the war because it is dangerous to do so. She is basically laying out the options based on the facts. (historical references).

[AngryPirateProd]

She tried to take the 'safest' position at the time. Pure political maneuvering BS.

[atm4382]

That is a true statement.

[yasminbelkhyr2007]

RON PAUL SUCKS!!!!!

[snerkable]

RON PAUL ROCKS!!!!!!!

[roberto8ag]

Ron Paul sucks? You have to love America!

[alco19357]

because the american people are smart enough to look into how the illinois system works.

[gtijerino]

The sad thing is that the bitch was acting rationally then. Her arguments here are absolutely correct. The bad part is that now she is willingly contradicting herself because she thinks that being anti-war will get her ass elected. Wrong answer. The American people are alot smarter than that.

[srysresfd]

You need to learn how the illinois legislature works

[groenhagen]

Apparently, Obama needed to learn that as well.

[alco19357]

And what about Obama and his 140 present votes?

[ballchinboy18]

haha...she said saddam hussein wrong.

Hillary-isms...I can hear it now.

[alco19357]

Don't you understand that this was when the war was brought up... in 2002. Bush had plotted this war... there was no weapons of mass destruction... Bush had influenced ALL congress to vote for the war and these congressmen and women voted for what they felt was right at the time.

[cchrisshere]

Exactly.

[BoogieWithStew]

So bush was fooled by Bill Clinton's Iraq WMD claims, and then Hillary was fooled by Bush?

Bad week to stop sniffing glue.

Read and learn:

freedomagenda DOT com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html

[gtijerino]

You imbecile, if you knew anything about how our government works you would understand that no President can influence congress that way. Congress reviews the same intelligence reports the President gets. Their committees independently review information and will disagree with the President's interpretation if necessary. And I thought Bush was an idiot, but you are saying he is so smart he can dupe the entire U.S. Congress... what an asshole you are...

[groenhagen]

Hillary is on record as saying that the intelligence concering Iraq's WMD was consistent from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration. She cannot legitimately say that she was duped by the Bush administration.

sinsofthehusband dot com

[hannityforpres]

The damn democrats act like it was only Bush who said Iraq had WMD. Everyone said it. But now, all you hear is " Bush lied" like he was the only one. Makes me sick. I'm republican, i dont think Bush has been ver good, but all this Bush hatred makes me sick. There are people who wake up every morning, i think, and make noises like their back is cramping up, and then say thru clenched teeth "god I hate Bush!!" . Losers.

[btchr17]

wtf

she is saying she is against the war these days

[checkedyamate]

this is very important to the 08 election. today if she couldnt make the right decision then in 2002 what makes you think she will this time around. if obama could make the right decision when it was unpopular. means hes about making the right choices for the country,by steping outside political lines for the american people.

[sethie007]

hillary makes some pretty good points but it seems like obama is all for making the country whole like they did during the revoulution.

[schwirzl]

Oh my god she is dumb and i thought she is clever.

The genocide in Kosovo was actually going on when the Nato troops decided to intervene...

No wmd...

UN authorized the gulf war, so they don´t totally suck, she is referring to UN resolution, but gives a shit about what the UN says about the war......

[gusrostra]

every human being that can think for itself knew in 2003 that the Iraq-Al Queda connection was a lie, yet Clinton insisted on keeping the lie alive to wage war.

People: this is her TRUE voice!

[Finethnx]

Unfortunately, this vote was in 2002, and most people did not know it was a lie. And Hillary Clinton did not create this lie, nor did she want this war.

[gusrostra]

if she didn't want this war, she had a strange way of showing it by voting FOR it!

and if i knew it was a lie, she has no excuse for using that argument. Clinton has as much blood on her hands as all the other war enablers in the senate.

[lonjacquee]

Hillary starts by mentioning the constituents who contacted her office about the authorization. What she does not mention is that the comments were at least 100 to 1 against the war. Now, had she been right about WMDs and about trusting Bush, well I'd say okay, I understand. But to be wrong about such an important decision, when the people who elected her were speaking out so forcefully against it makes her unqualified for office in my opinion.

[ersachs]

Okay, she was wrong about the WMD. (Btw, nodebtnosweat, this is from back when Congressional approval for war was still pending.)

She's basically saying here that war should not be dived into, but the threat needs to be there and real enough to get Saddam Hussein to cooperate.

[nodebtnosweat]

So she thought Saddam has WMD? And said he used them. I mean, he did of course so that's why the US and British thought he'd use them again. She even talked about a connection to terrorists. She confuses me because last year she said she wanted troop withdrawal but now says that we would need a presense over there and that she thinks the war was probably the right thing. I guess that means she's thinking for herself...or that she is trying to pander to different crowds. I can't figure her out.

[Finethnx]

She means that we will need people there to protect our embassy. Obama and Edwards agree with her.

[barn26]

Go hillary you rock

[poiopoiuy]

NOT!!

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

This was not what I have thought or heard of Clinton. I still absolutely disagree with her global government views and oppose her run for the presidency on unflinching terms, but in this speech she seems to be far more cautious and less imperialistic than I have seen her. That does not change reality though. She voted for the war in Iraq as well as the Patriot Act. She will not take a nuclear option off the table when concerning Iran, and she seems to want to have US control of Pakistan.

[Finethnx]

I applaud you for taking the time to watch this. I imagine that most of what you thought is based on what you've heard, and not on what you have actually seen. That's a big problem for her.There are a lot of scary lies out there about her. Maybe you can find out more of the truth in different places. I am not sure what you mean by her global government views. I hope you will check back and explain.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

I watched an old video of Clinton supporting a global gov organization right before this one that may have been edited as you said.

Language is a tough thing to get right. I consider intervention into foreign affairs creating a global government (America as a global gov) and I consider Clinton a socialist because she supports expanding the federal government. To me, those are the real meanings behind those terms. It is because of those two terms that I oppose Clinton.

[Finethnx]

The ignorance alone, of the people who oppose Hillary, should be enough to make intelligent people rush to line up behind her. I think it would be brutally humiliating to be associated with the likes of heymisterderp orC4NDYB01.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, do we want them electing our next president? That is a truly frightening idea.

[schwirzl]

bs argument, just because idiots disagree with you, you think you are right???

She is responsible for the biggest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

[Finethnx]

Why do you feel she bears all the responsibility here? I am sincerely asking.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

Clinton is not solely responsible for Iraq, but she is in a position of power. I don't think that she should have that responsibility. It should rest on the people to be knowledgeable to check our representatives, but that is not so. She is also responsible because she supports the basic ideas of the war on terror. Not that she is alone in that stance, but she must understand that terrorist activities occur because of poverty and the feeling of hopelessness that accompanies it.

[Finethnx]

I like your thoughtfulness, but I can't agree with your reasons for terrorism. Poverty and hopelessness helps in recruitment, but terrorism is caused by propaganda from the terrorist leaders- for their own desire for power. It begins in the mind, and it begins with sick and devious narcissistic/machiavellian leaders-like bin Laden. Reasonable people do not bomb and terrorize others because of their own discomfort or problems. It takes malicious, false information to twist so many minds.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

I'm having this very same argument with my aunt right now. I believe that once the terrorists are in the groups they are certainly brainwashed by Islamofascist thoughts. However, there are thousands of Middle Eastern attacks for every Timothy Mcvey. The poverty is a definite issue, but the other part is a target. If we were not intervening in their affairs, I can see no reason why they would attack us.

[Finethnx]

That's exactly right. You can see no reason, but they are not you. We often see people as we are, rather than as they are. You are having a discussion with your aunt, and here. You are allowed your own thoughts & have access to information-anything you want to investigate. You don't have to just rely on what people tell you. I don't think one is either brainwashed or completely without prejudice. There are degrees of prejudices. What we learn influences how we think.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

You are correct. The two cultures are very different, and we have most likely led very different lives. In short, I am not them. However, I think that considering motivations is very important. If a foreign nation were to be occupying America, there is certainly a chance that my patriotism would take presedence over my humanitarianism. However, if they were to leave then I would be far more concentrated on rebuilding than on following them home.

[Finethnx]

For the record, my first reaction on 9/11 was not patriotism. I was horrified by the massive tragedy and my heart ached for all affected. I was moved by the world's support, then embarrassed by the term freedom fries, and much more so by Shock & Awe. I was against this war always. Not everyone close to me felt the same way, however, and some were persuaded by Colin Powell. I do want to get bin Laden, and I want someone thoughtful, capable, and wise to be our next president. I trust Hillary.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

I think of terrorism as a disease with a very complex cause. With our war on terror we are treating the symptoms. I want to get at the root of the problem, because attacking the symptoms won't make it go away. I don't believe that we should completely rid ourselves of intelligence and stop breaking up terrorist cells, but this cannot intervene in foreign affairs. We MUST not nation build. We need a change in foreign policy, we need to attack the cause, not the effect.

[gtijerino]

Isn't nation building, the creation of free democratic states in the region the best way to destroy extremism at its roots? Oh, sorry another guy for Ron Paul... That explains the shortsightedness...

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

Unfortuneately, nation building does not create free democratic states, it destroys them. Iraq was very near a first world nation when America entered. True, they had a vicious dictator, but they were economically on sound footing. This was the proper step toward destroying extremist terrorism at its roots.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

The extremist terrorists would not have attacked us had we not been in the Middle East. Our nation building might as well have put up a big target across our chest.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

The only true way to attack terrorism at its roots is to trade freely with all other nations, regardelss of political stance, to allow other nations to be prosperous as a result, and to have intelligence gathering so that we can attack the symptoms until the virus goes away. I do not believe that this is a shortsighted viewpoint, I think that it is quite to the contrary.

[Finethnx]

This is where we really disagree. I know what you are saying, but I think you are being way too charitable to the extremists. They do unspeakable things, all over the world. They don't just attack us. They are just cruel. They attack helpless people, too. They use suicide bombers- kids, for God's sake. They deceive & exploit their followers. You really think they need a reason to do evil things? They are without conscience. Period. It's about them, not ideals.

[Finethnx]

I am confused about what you are saying here. You think we were right to invade Iraq? I thought you were against the war. Or, do you mean their economic stability was the proper step? Please clarify. We have made a huge mess of Iraq. That's for sure. I don't think they were doing as well as you think before though. Still, I imagine many would return to that predictable misery, rather than the horror they are dealing with now. Absolutely.

[Finethnx]

You know, none of your comments are useful.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

Why is that?

[Finethnx]

If you are responding to my post about comments not being useful, it was intended for gtiferno.

[Finethnx]

I keep trying to reply to this post, but it goes somewhere else.

I'm trying to say that If you are responding to my post about comments not being useful, it was intended for gtiferno, not you.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

I don't know why they don't put replies under the post to be replied to. It gets complicated and confusing.

[Finethnx]

I know. I lost one completely. It just disappeared. Glad you got this one. I think we have been having a good exchange. I respect your opinions, too, though I really disagree with some. It's interesting to hear different opinions without all the screaming and name calling.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

Finethnx, I respect your opinions and hope that you feel the same, even if you don't agree with them. I am perfectly willing to stay open minded in the conversation, but I don't understand the motivation that you claim terrorists have.

Also, I suppose I shouldn't be so blatantly expressing my support for a candidate. I really do care about the conversation, not the politics. Political opinions just flow naturally from the conversation.

[Finethnx]

Oops.*This comment -"You know, none of your comments are useful" -was for gtiferno

[Finethnx]

Terrorism is "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims". It is a weapon of agrression. It is the problem, not a symptom of the problem. You can't ignore it. You either allow it, or you try to stop it. Terrorist leaders attack for their own desire for power, not to right some great wrong. They they have conned people into fighting for them, by vilifying us. Bushes invasion of Iraq WAS a change in our foreign policy. A horrible one.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

I agree upon your definition of terrorism. If there were no political aims, then it would just be psychopathic destruction. Those political aims are the desire to rid foreigners trying to impose beliefs. By this very definition the political aims are the problem, not terrorism itself. Therefore there are two basic ways of going about attacking the root of the problem in my mind. We can either take away the power of their political aims or we can directly go after the political aims.

[ronpaulfreedomforall]

We can take away the power of their political aims by allowing the poverty to cease. We can do this through a real change in our foreign policy from interventionist to non-interventionist. Those who are wealthy and with hope for a new life will not and have not sacrificed their lives except on very rare occasions such as the American Revolution. The second benefit for this plan complements the first because it takes away any realistic incentive to attack America.

[Finethnx]

Al Queda leaders are gargantuan versions of playground bullies who gets other people on their side by scaring them and lying to them.

Hillary knows that we have to stand up to these leaders-for everyone's sake, the misguided followers as well as their targets. She is a great champion of Human Rights. Honestly.

[heymisterderp]

neocon in bed with the media.

[womont41]

What will we give out of a Hillary Clinton's Presidency? I am afraid many people are deluded into thinking that Hillary will take us back to the so-called "good times" of her husband, Bill. With her we will still have the decisiveness that encumbered Bill's Presidency. She will have less success than neither John Edwards or Barack Obama in trying to pass a Hillary Clinton's Presidential agenda.

[democlean]

she has not read the intelligence estimate.

[C4NDYB01]

OMFG(GLOBAL COOPERATION?)ayo Hillary this aint no muthafukin gotdamn vacation you betta hop yo dumbass back on tha plane bitchCUZ IM FIRED UP...AND READY TO GO 08 Barack obama

[C4NDYB01]

ayo bitch...yeah you Hillary...first off we aint in no fukin history class bitch....... getcha mind right do you here Barack or ron paul talkin about this shit? IM FIRED UP AND READY TO GO 08'

[C4NDYB01]

by the wat everbody im blind so is this really DARIA? from the cartoon series Daria

[C4NDYB01]

ayo she sound like DARIA....you know that cartoon character from mtv...yeah but daria is probable gettin slutted up right now

[kkvh4026]

Analysis- pt.8: Bush and Blair need to be held accountable for choosing to interpret their respective votes as a black and white "yes" or "no", abandoning all their prior public promises to let the UN inspectors resolve if WMD existed 1st, and to pursue diplomacy 1st - conditions at which they were granted authorisation by those (not all) who didn't believe there was sufficient evidence to justify immediate, pre emptive, unilateral military action, but wanted to resolve if a threat existed.

[kkvh4026]

Analysis- part7: Hillary's approach to foreign policy has always been purposeful, consistent and practical. She believes potential threats should be investigated through the UN, not ignored. She's always advocated intensive joint diplomatic efforts with the UN should be exhausted 1st, but that US military action remains a last resort option only, to a legitimate internationally recognised threat. These were the conditions to which she gave authorisation, telling Bush NOT TO ABUSE THIS POWER.

[ChargedFan]

Hey just wanted to thank you for your very thoughtful analysis. I'm not sure how any intelligent person listening to (or reading) her words can continue to think she supported the war OR should be held accountable for it. And as you noted, this clearly shows her purposeful, consistent, practical (and I would add knowledgeable) grasp of the issues that need taken into consideration. And I trust her to use the same diligence and intelligence to most safely get us out of there!

[kkvh4026]

Thank u. I'm glad some1 took the time 2 read my analysis &that it wasn't removed. I can't belive it's been 3 months since I posted it & the national US media still won't show her unedited speech.I've been online campaigning every day from the UK 2 provide Americans with the unedited transcript &analysis of her speech on youtube,e-mails,facebook, blogs.I even e-mailed Meet the Press 4 editing2 30seconds. They keep ignoring & deleting my comments 2 selectivly conceal facts 2 distort her position.

[ChargedFan]

U'r very welcome! I commend & thank you even more for making such effort from the UK! It's truly sad so many here (inc. the press) seem to find Hillary's true expertise an "Inconvenient Truth" that it seems they're trying so hard to suppress. I'm truly more disgusted than ever by our political process and media here! But all we can hope to do is keep putting the facts out there where we can (I've been fighting the press too) & hope our American Idol society will wake up & educate themselves!

[kkvh4026]

Analysis- part 6: In part 2 of the speech she strongly urged Bush to seek a UN resolution for returning inspectors to Iraq to resolve if WMD existed, so that US intervention had global legitamacy, and to only use military action as a last resort if WMD confirmed and joint diplomatic efforts with UN to reach disarmamnt were exhausted 1st. She took the Bush administration and Blair to their public verbal assurances that this was the course the US and UK would pursue to avoid war.

[kkvh4026]

Analysis- part5: Unlike Bush and some senators however, Hillary made it clear that whilst there was reason to suggest he was a threat, there was no evidence to link 9/11 events with Iraq, and there wasn't sufficient evidence to suggest an immediate threat existed to warantee immediate preempitive unilateral war. She then outlined a third approach in the speech which she supported which would both avoid a rush to preemptive unilateral war and resolve if WMD existed.

[kkvh4026]

Analysis- part4: She stated that some UN members would never authorise military force even if WMD existed, unless Sudan actually used the weapons, and expressed concern of the dangerous consequences of ignoring potential threats having witnessed 9/11 as NY senator, explainig why she didn't want to surrender US decission of final action to the UN.

[kkvh4026]

Analysis- part2: Hillary then outlined a different approach that others suggested which was to work with the UN and to only use force given the authorisation of the UN. Hillary stated that she was strongly in support of working with the UN because it gave legitamacy to their cause by having global acknowledgement. However, she didn't believe that the final decission of US military action once a threat had gained global recognition, should be completly surrenderd to the UN.

[kkvh4026]

Analysis- part2: The very 1st line clearly states that the resoultion itself was to grant authorisation for use of force SHOULD DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS FAIL, not for authorisation to launch an immediate preemptive unilateral war as Bush chose to interpret the vote. Between 6.11 and 8.30 Hillary outlined to Bush why an immediate preemptive unilateral was a dangerous option that wouldn't realistically set up a diplomatic state.

[kkvh4026]

Analysis- part1: Most people's positions on complex issues are not simply black and white, but that doesn't mean they don't hold a consistent position. When analysing Hillary's position on the war, the problem is that many people define her position in terms of the actions that Bush used her vote for rather than what she personally voted for and why which are outlined in this unedited speech.