I would argue that it's reasonable to expect people to take the time to investigate candidates, their policies and their backgrounds for something as important as an election, especially when they don't happen THAT often. However, it's only worth it if enough people do it together.
However, you are up for jury duty as soon as you register.
If you have time to protest, you have time to understand what is going on in your own community. If you don't vote, your friendly Christian Conservative will make your decisions for you. (They vote... ever wonder how some of these wonderful politicians we have these days are being elected?) Make the effort and take the time to vote, before all of your rights are taken away. (It could be too late.)
Why not apply the same effort within our current system if the same protestors demonstrated directly to your local representatives in government would they not have to represent you there constituents . If there are only like 350 billionaires in the world the wallstreet assholes are mostly likely owned by the owners just like us . The 1% are the house niggers of the .000000001% who own us all . One family own more than 50% of the worlds wealth ! +1 awesome beard !
@jzxmissile Politics is the shadow cast by big business; if you want to affect change you have to get beyond the shadow (our representatives in government) and pressure, slow down and otherwise inconvenience various industries. And we do that in a myriad of ways, Occupy Wall Street is a great example of that model of social change.
@buddhagem I like and respect OWS but 1% of the worlds population is 70 million , the worlds millionaires represent 38 million or 0.5428571428571428% and the billionaires represent only 0.000017285714285714284% or 1210 assholes world wide . Also 1.3 billion or 18.571428571428573% live on $1.50 a day so we should consider ourselves the 80% or the global middle class . Sorry about the long numbers and thank for the conversation .
Thanks for putting into words and making a video and basically the same thing I was going on about with the PunkPatriot. I don't dislike the guy, in fact I think he's a very good guy and I really like his videos. But I also believe that voting won't do a goddamned thing. Maybe over an extensive time period something might get done but sorry to say, I'm here and now, I don't have 50 or 100 years to see what happens. There has to be a do-over, just like Jefferson suggested, that's about it.
@ThePunkPatriot That's just dishonest; voting, if you're serious about it, takes a tremendous amount of time to investigate and research candidates, getting involved in party politics, and organizing around the issues you care about to push the candidate forward in those directions. The physical act of voting is one very small piece of that puzzle.
@acromagnonman I'm pretty voting is just a way channel and defuse the frustrations of the people (whether a concious strategy or not it has that effect). It reminds me of welfare or handouts "benevolent" rulers have always used to pacify people just enough so they won't take over.
@acromagnonman Of course, some people like to say that upper middle class white hipsters have no right supporting the working class and nonwhite people in their class/race struggle, and it's supposedly "elitist" and stuff like that.
I guess they haven't seen this blog of who I like to call the "righteous rich." westandwiththe99percent(.)tumblr(.)com/
It doesn't matter how much money you have; what matters is what you spend your time and money doing.
Good to see that you're finally making videos on a more regular basis, but you've sure made a lot of videos on voting in relation to Occupy.
Is there anything else you'd like to touch upon? Like the relationship between the white upper-middle-class hipster-types at Occupy vs. the working-class and nonwhite Occupiers? MSM coverage of Occupy? The shift in political/cultural consciousness since the movement started? The tarnished reputation of "local" law enforcement (Police) since Occupy started?
@CrazyCheeseMagee All great ideas! It's an election year so I do hope to provide those folks who are on the fence about voting or maybe looking to back a third party that there something even better out there to spend all that amazing talent and energy on. You've got some great ideas there. Is there one in particular you'd like to see me tackle?
@CrazyCheeseMagee All great ideas! It's an election year so I do hope to provide those folks who are on the fence about voting or maybe looking to back a third party that there something even better out there to spend all that amazing talent and energy on. You've got some great ideas there. Is there one in particular you'd like to see me tackle?
@buddhagem I think I'd especially like to see two of those choices: the relationship between the upper-middle-class white hipster Occupiers and the working-class and non-white Occupiers, and one about the reputation of Police since Occupy started.
@buddhagem I've heard that sometimes, there white upper-middle-class Occupiers and the working-class and nonwhite Occupiers are often in dispute, as some of the nonwhite Occupy supporters feel that they're not being represented enough, hence stuff like Occupy The Hood.
@buddhagem And since the brutality of Tony Baloney and Officer Pike, police seem to be best known for brutality, especially with pepper spray, hence the "Casually Pepper-Spraying Cop" meme, and the exploitable making fun of Megyn Kelly's stupid pepper spray comment.
And I was also thinking about Anonymous's involvement, since Anonymous gave out the personal info, or "dox" of both Baloney and Pike.
Baloney and Pike are like Bull Connor in that their brutality just led people to support us more.
@NativeSunBear well you know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm in construction too and I can relate to how tired we get after a hard day of work. Spreading the message is awesome. We all try to do what we can. I trust you make the best choices you can and appreciate your efforts.
yo...i've been following you for a few years now. i have a question that you sort of touched on. i'm just trying to survive the day to day crunch, i do construction here in T.O- a very physical energy depleting trade (ironworker). i feel that sometimes direct action is too specific, or has become too specific a term these days, like FnB. I did some FnB stuff here @ my house and it's just not something that i can sustain. now i simply spread the message of occupy to fellow workers. thoughts?
Trade in your vote of the day, and all your future votes, right now for some personal-participation grassroots lobbying and organizing. It is an upgrade no one will regret.
You can also lift weights and eat hot dogs as part of a weight loss program. One will make you healthier, the other not so much, but you can do both at once.
Totally agree. Voting should never be about those who vote, and those who don't, it should go deeper than the simple minded black and white stance. Sadly for most, it is black or white, but hopefully it won't become so for the newer generations who are being exposed to new forms of thinking and acting, than even those in the 90s were.
Wonderful video that really highlights the situation a lot of activists are in.
It's not that we should adopt a mentality of "never vote, it just props up the system" but simply recognize that all in all it's a poor substitute for direct grassroots action.
Although I think people would be more turned on to voting if we had a better electoral method such as proportional representation that would allow smaller parties and independents to have a say in the representative system.
cool Daddy-o!
4854derrida 4 weeks ago
I would argue that it's reasonable to expect people to take the time to investigate candidates, their policies and their backgrounds for something as important as an election, especially when they don't happen THAT often. However, it's only worth it if enough people do it together.
grungeface87 1 month ago
Voting locally is very important.
However, you are up for jury duty as soon as you register.
If you have time to protest, you have time to understand what is going on in your own community. If you don't vote, your friendly Christian Conservative will make your decisions for you. (They vote... ever wonder how some of these wonderful politicians we have these days are being elected?) Make the effort and take the time to vote, before all of your rights are taken away. (It could be too late.)
armanflint 1 month ago
Right on!
DannyOKC 1 month ago
Why not apply the same effort within our current system if the same protestors demonstrated directly to your local representatives in government would they not have to represent you there constituents . If there are only like 350 billionaires in the world the wallstreet assholes are mostly likely owned by the owners just like us . The 1% are the house niggers of the .000000001% who own us all . One family own more than 50% of the worlds wealth ! +1 awesome beard !
jzxmissile 1 month ago
@jzxmissile Politics is the shadow cast by big business; if you want to affect change you have to get beyond the shadow (our representatives in government) and pressure, slow down and otherwise inconvenience various industries. And we do that in a myriad of ways, Occupy Wall Street is a great example of that model of social change.
buddhagem 1 month ago
@buddhagem I like and respect OWS but 1% of the worlds population is 70 million , the worlds millionaires represent 38 million or 0.5428571428571428% and the billionaires represent only 0.000017285714285714284% or 1210 assholes world wide . Also 1.3 billion or 18.571428571428573% live on $1.50 a day so we should consider ourselves the 80% or the global middle class . Sorry about the long numbers and thank for the conversation .
jzxmissile 1 month ago
Thanks for putting into words and making a video and basically the same thing I was going on about with the PunkPatriot. I don't dislike the guy, in fact I think he's a very good guy and I really like his videos. But I also believe that voting won't do a goddamned thing. Maybe over an extensive time period something might get done but sorry to say, I'm here and now, I don't have 50 or 100 years to see what happens. There has to be a do-over, just like Jefferson suggested, that's about it.
theoriginalprisonerX 1 month ago
wooooaaahh.... awesome beard man! TBH I only clicked the video to see it :-D
RazorX53 1 month ago
How is voting a waste of time? It takes like 2 minutes.
ThePunkPatriot 1 month ago
@ThePunkPatriot That's just dishonest; voting, if you're serious about it, takes a tremendous amount of time to investigate and research candidates, getting involved in party politics, and organizing around the issues you care about to push the candidate forward in those directions. The physical act of voting is one very small piece of that puzzle.
buddhagem 1 month ago
@buddhagem No it doesn't, it really takes just 2 minutes. Especially if you have absentee balloting.
ProgressiveAudio 2 weeks ago
@ThePunkPatriot An uninformed vote is much worse than not voting at all.
NocheezRecords 1 month ago
Please keep the beard.
JohnDavenportJunior 1 month ago
Its good to your passion is still burning. The Occupy Movement may just be the tipping point in the right direction. I believe that it is.
citizenkong 1 month ago
Dichotomous hippopotamus.
KenCat1337 1 month ago
@acromagnonman I'm pretty voting is just a way channel and defuse the frustrations of the people (whether a concious strategy or not it has that effect). It reminds me of welfare or handouts "benevolent" rulers have always used to pacify people just enough so they won't take over.
Simbelmyne13 1 month ago
@acromagnonman Of course, some people like to say that upper middle class white hipsters have no right supporting the working class and nonwhite people in their class/race struggle, and it's supposedly "elitist" and stuff like that.
I guess they haven't seen this blog of who I like to call the "righteous rich." westandwiththe99percent(.)tumblr(.)com/
It doesn't matter how much money you have; what matters is what you spend your time and money doing.
CrazyCheeseMagee 1 month ago
Oh friggin Punk Patriot.... not that asshole.
InvincibleNumanist 1 month ago
@acromagnonman Yes, I do. It wastes what precious energy and resources we have. It legitimates a system that was created by and for the 1%.
buddhagem 1 month ago
Do you use imovie?
onlywhenprovoked 1 month ago
@onlywhenprovoked Yeah probably 95% of the time; I have Final Cut but rarely use it.
buddhagem 1 month ago
Goin' for the beard shot. w00t.
egolayer13 1 month ago
Good to see that you're finally making videos on a more regular basis, but you've sure made a lot of videos on voting in relation to Occupy.
Is there anything else you'd like to touch upon? Like the relationship between the white upper-middle-class hipster-types at Occupy vs. the working-class and nonwhite Occupiers? MSM coverage of Occupy? The shift in political/cultural consciousness since the movement started? The tarnished reputation of "local" law enforcement (Police) since Occupy started?
CrazyCheeseMagee 1 month ago
@CrazyCheeseMagee All great ideas! It's an election year so I do hope to provide those folks who are on the fence about voting or maybe looking to back a third party that there something even better out there to spend all that amazing talent and energy on. You've got some great ideas there. Is there one in particular you'd like to see me tackle?
buddhagem 1 month ago
@CrazyCheeseMagee All great ideas! It's an election year so I do hope to provide those folks who are on the fence about voting or maybe looking to back a third party that there something even better out there to spend all that amazing talent and energy on. You've got some great ideas there. Is there one in particular you'd like to see me tackle?
buddhagem 1 month ago
@buddhagem I think I'd especially like to see two of those choices: the relationship between the upper-middle-class white hipster Occupiers and the working-class and non-white Occupiers, and one about the reputation of Police since Occupy started.
CrazyCheeseMagee 1 month ago
@buddhagem I've heard that sometimes, there white upper-middle-class Occupiers and the working-class and nonwhite Occupiers are often in dispute, as some of the nonwhite Occupy supporters feel that they're not being represented enough, hence stuff like Occupy The Hood.
CrazyCheeseMagee 1 month ago
@buddhagem And since the brutality of Tony Baloney and Officer Pike, police seem to be best known for brutality, especially with pepper spray, hence the "Casually Pepper-Spraying Cop" meme, and the exploitable making fun of Megyn Kelly's stupid pepper spray comment.
And I was also thinking about Anonymous's involvement, since Anonymous gave out the personal info, or "dox" of both Baloney and Pike.
Baloney and Pike are like Bull Connor in that their brutality just led people to support us more.
CrazyCheeseMagee 1 month ago
@NativeSunBear well you know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm in construction too and I can relate to how tired we get after a hard day of work. Spreading the message is awesome. We all try to do what we can. I trust you make the best choices you can and appreciate your efforts.
buddhagem 1 month ago
yo...i've been following you for a few years now. i have a question that you sort of touched on. i'm just trying to survive the day to day crunch, i do construction here in T.O- a very physical energy depleting trade (ironworker). i feel that sometimes direct action is too specific, or has become too specific a term these days, like FnB. I did some FnB stuff here @ my house and it's just not something that i can sustain. now i simply spread the message of occupy to fellow workers. thoughts?
NativeSunBear 1 month ago
Trade in your vote of the day, and all your future votes, right now for some personal-participation grassroots lobbying and organizing. It is an upgrade no one will regret.
not2tees 1 month ago
You can also lift weights and eat hot dogs as part of a weight loss program. One will make you healthier, the other not so much, but you can do both at once.
binhthanhvo 1 month ago
Totally agree. Voting should never be about those who vote, and those who don't, it should go deeper than the simple minded black and white stance. Sadly for most, it is black or white, but hopefully it won't become so for the newer generations who are being exposed to new forms of thinking and acting, than even those in the 90s were.
ManofWonder82 1 month ago
Wonderful video that really highlights the situation a lot of activists are in.
It's not that we should adopt a mentality of "never vote, it just props up the system" but simply recognize that all in all it's a poor substitute for direct grassroots action.
Although I think people would be more turned on to voting if we had a better electoral method such as proportional representation that would allow smaller parties and independents to have a say in the representative system.
MsSexySocialist 1 month ago