DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!!
@Kirby5413 Lol you're an idiot. SSJ4 is in gt, which is not by Akira. Mystic gohan is the strongest in DBZ, not DBGT. DBGT is just a bunch of over powered characters. And that was gohan's character, he was a peace loving person who never liked to fight. THAT'S why it was so ironic that he was the strongest, when everybody else busted their ass off, he had the natural talent but never wanted to fight. You're just a dumbass..and don't understand plot.
@JohnnyD230 if you actually read the manga, you'd know that mystic gohan is strong than ss3. Akira himself said he was the STRONGEST non fused character.
@RsChances Dude, FUCK THE MANGA! SSJ4 beats the living shit out of Mystic! Since Akira went along with the story of GT, guess what! He might as well have taken back that statement! He fucked himself over when he decided to continue the story of DB! So quit complaining! If you saw the post kid buu saga you would know that Gohan became a useless nerd from then and onward and he didn't give a shit!
@101viva he didnt killed anyone nor he did anything on gt remember akira toriyama wanted gohan to be the strongest fighter in the universe before ending dbz but the fans insisted to goku being the strongest, and gt wasnt even created by toriyama so it doesnt count
@xirvin92 ugh. Akira himself said that GT was canon. Who cares about the manga! I bet you prefer the original Japanese dub where everyone sounds like they have vaginas over the Funimation dub too. In the original Dragonball Goku was the main hero and killed villian all the way to the King Piccolo Saga! SO Akira went along with Toei and decided to make Goku what he was meant to be from the very beginning! The main and only hero! Mystic Gohan is nothing compared to SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta!
@Kirby5413 As I said on another comment! Gohan became white and nerdy after Goku, Vegeta and Mr. Satan killed Kid Buu and from then on, he forgot how to go Mystic and only remembered how to use the basic SSJ transformations SSJ1 and SSJ2. Deal with it!
@101viva The problem is that Gohan was practically established as the strongest non-fused character in Dragon Ball, and yet in GT he doesn't have his Ultimate powers and is apparently weaker than Vegeta. Plus, everyone except Goku becomes fodder throughout the series, except Vegeta near the end for the Gogeta fusion.
I don't know about "fan complaints" or whatever, but it seemed like the writers of GT just went along with the Goku > Vegeta > everyone hierarchy because they preferred it
I can't believe GT Goten is this weak. He barely has the advantage here at his full power and Gohan isn't even a SSJ..and this is GT Gohan, probably weaker than he has ever been in his life since he came out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
@darkslayer2016 Gohan goes SSJ during this very fight, the video just didn't show it (as he doesn't get a chance to even fight Goten once he transforms).
Gohan is not mystic/ultimate in GT at all anymore. It's a plot hole or something left unexplained.
You may remember me from awesome moments like when I defeated cell in super sayian 2 or when my hidden power was released by old kia and I was fighting buu. Well I forgot all of that. So no I suck and useless.
Mystic Gohan is the most powerful level that any non pure blooded saiyajin can achieve. Mystic Gohan I would place somewhere between SSJ3 and SSJ4. I would assume only Goku and Vegeta have the capabilities to go SSJ4 because of being full blooded. There is no way to know for certain though, because we've all seen Gohan go oozaru when he was a little kid. Whether or not he would have the capability to control it or not I do not know. I do know that Mystic Gohan is > SSJ3 though.
@JohnnyD230 I heard when gohan went ultimate he became at same level of goku ssj3 but nowhere near stronger even though goten and trunks are still at ssj there stronger than ssj2
@wassup395 GT...Better than Dragon Ball?! Dude, you must never have watched the original Dragon Ball, GT is shit compared to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Evolution shouldn't of even be talked about it...
To be honest I think Baby was the most coolest villians. I liked how he changed and could do anything be anyone and have way more power than anyone else.
Isn't Gohan the strongest non-fusion character cannon wise? I mean, stronger than even SSJ4 Gogetta? What was the studio thinking making him lose this easily?
@plijuh123 just to clarify, Akira Toriyama said that Gohan is the strongest unfused character of Dragonball Z he's nowhere near as powerful as Vegito. If you're going by Dragonball Z rules he's the most powerful, if you count GT (which i don't) he's a shit tier fighter in comparison to others
@plijuh123 no dude, If your going to include GT then Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is the most powerful character of the whole Dragonball universe. What gave you the idea that he was stronger than Gogeta lol? In DBZ its Vegito > Gogeta (if you count movies) > Gohan
@lordoYYH255 You seem to be forgetting that Gohan, Trunks, and Goten didn't train after the defeat of Kid Buu, that's why he keeps getting his ass handed to him on a silver platter.
Let me try....to clarify this in a simple way cuz, clearly 'after dbz was aired on tv' watchers still don't get deal about gohan. Alright here it is......in dragonball z....gohan was a fighter, young and strong ..scholar last, in GT...he is now a scholar, all grown -up and weak. He put down the fighting for books and lost his fighting skills...but he is still a half saiyan which grants him automatic self-defense. .....that's why.
@romahnae actually what i find funny is gohan never got anyweaker during dbz but the simple fact that they never focused on an of the character but goku made him look weak he never went full power in dbgt and baby didnt know about ''ultimate gohan'' i really wish gt wouldve focused on goten and trunks they are cool..
My theory about the Gohan being able to go SS (which is in no way ever said or clarified during the show) is that in the time that between z and gt his lack of fighting and training basically made him weak like during the world tournament in z during the saiyaman saga, and thus un-doing the years of training and potential unlock that the elder kai gave him, so in order to reach his peak he is forced to transform once again because his base form is pathetic.
@karutobi Well no, because Ultimate or Mystic Gohan isn't a form (I know you meant SS), but that's the point, he shouldn't be able to go Super Saiyan at all, and it isn't explained, hence why its a theory. In Z the elder kai explains that while training Gohan he saw the Super Saiyan transformation as something counter-productive, which actually comes into play in the form of Goku when he couldn't power up to SS3 during the fight with Kid Buu because the transformation is too taxing on his body.
@StoneBeezt2 no ultimate gohan actually is a form it changes gohans looks slightly and his attitude elder kai said super saiyen is just a show biz way to power up but the mystic powers unlock his power he has dormant he has to find this power within himself when he goes super saiyen it breaks the link to his ultimate form because his genes have changed he cant do both at the same time because technicall hes not himself
@karutobi When does it ever mention anything about his genes changing? He looks older because of the training itself aged Gohan making up for years of lost training and the confidence comes with that, we saw a glimpse of confident Gohan when he powered up to SS2. Anyway, Ultimate/Mystic Gohan was meant to be just Gohan, the elder kai gave Gohan the ability to retain his Super Saiyan strength without wasting the energy on the transformation itself. He didn't say it should be LIKE going SS
@karutobi Continued - but to do that "Super Saiyan thing you always do", meaning to prove that the elders kai training worked, all Gohan needed to do was power up as if he was going SS,but the kai trained Gohan in a way that the energy wasting transformation wasn't needed, so why can he do it in GT? It's an obvious over-sight by the creators.
@StoneBeezt2 its not an oversight gohan onl faught in ultimate form once against buu it was his strongest form against buu he wouldve been killed if he went super saiyan
@karutobi This is the last thing I'm going to say because you're dense and I'm tired of repeating myself, he could not transform into a SS because the elder kai trained him so that he couldn't, the elder kai told him to transform and when he attempted to in episode 247 he couldn't transform, instead he had the strength of a SS in his basic form, hence Goku saying, "He's stronger then he ever was as a SS, but look at him, he's completely normal."
@StoneBeezt2 actually you are the dense one here.. you keep changing words his exact words were to fire it up like going super saiyen =_= it was never stated by ANYONE but fans that gohan could not go super saiyan after learnig mystic people got this misconception because he cant go super saiyan in mystic form and since mystic is stronger its normally all he needs to do!
@karutobi SIGH - I watched the episode, I even gave you which one it was, go watch it, I don't give a shit what you think, you were talking out your ass about his genes changing or something idiotic, I gave you examples and valid points and that's all I can do to try to dumb down my argument to you, and no it wasn't stated directly, but it was implied, when he powered up and was unable to transform that he couldn't transform...well you still think "Mystic" is a form, so no point even bothering.
what a lame fight man, i miss the good old DBZ fights where planets would be destroyed and hand to hand combat lasted, not just punch someone into a mountain and then he's almost dead.
Jesus, People dont know anything about gt and dbz. Sure its short and its story is disliked for many reasons but it does not have MANY Plot holes like everyone says it does. If you want to play like that, DBZ Has over 20 plot holes, and gt has less than 7. And Akira Drew the concept of ssj4 and co wrote and over saw the project. And "Ultimate" Gohan is a transformation, No one ever said he couldnt transform ssj anymore, if you have any "plot holes" i'l tell you if your wrong or if they are holes
Gohan's unlocked inner power isn't a transformation at all. Since he didn't need to transform anymore, he remains in his normal state while using his full power. Being that his full potential at the time was unlocked, he wasn't supposed to go super saiyan again unless he moved past that point, which is what seems to be implied here with the transformation being once again used.
Gohan's unlocked inner power isn't a transformation at all. Since he didn't need to transform anymore, he remains in his normal state while using his full power. Being that his full potential at the time was unlocked, he wasn't supposed to go super saiyan again unless he moved past that point, which is what seems to be implied here with the transformation being once again used.
You know....Goten might have become a whimp....but considreing he could take out Cell with only being first Super Sayan and like with the age of where Goku barely defeated Piccolo...he's not too bad.
Gohan should have just killed goten. then wait for goku to return and...well i dunno. apparently goku couldn't do instant transmission in his kid body. i was gonna say goku goes to new namek and use the dragonballs to revive goten.
@MikeyIV oh saheen... but if gohan put in the effort in training as his father did then he would no doubt be the strongest of them all... none fused that is
@youfailcrap i know what its called, to my understanding he could no longer transform into a super saiyan. because the elder kai said "you know how to go super saiyan, just turn into one of those" and when he did he went mystic not SSJ not SSJ2
omg gt made no sense, the baby saga could've ended at this fight, ssj2 gohan could've killed this goten easily and just use the dragon balls to bring him back, problem solved
@bloodgangssj1 it was never stated if gohan could go ssj any more the eldia kiao said it replaces them he said try go super saiyan when he did he just went elder kiaos unlocked potential his mystic form.
witch belives gohan can not go ssj any more becouse he dosent requier the power becouse this form is his apsolutie maximum meaning he cant improve it leaving goku to progress his ssj3 to its full power with out him losing any energy like he did against buu and possbile suppasing gohan
here some reason at the very beginning it was stated by vegeta that saiyan are born a ability that allows them to get stronger by fighting (meaning every fight there in while or lose they get stronger) they also have a second ability that allows there power to increase if they heal from a near dead state wich was proven when vegeta got nearly killed by zarbon and was put into that chamber that healed him and made him stronger
@HatakeDevon no they dont get stronger by fighting vegeta never stated that anyone that trains long enought with a partner will get stronger. win or lose that isnt a saiyan trait. further more the near death recover heal. seemd to have stoped after frieza saga becouse looking at the beatens they all took during androids and cell and buu didint seem to change them much like it did in frieza saga
@Hollowzanro so the whole gohan cant gett stronger is contradicting his saiyan genes, my gues is that the author never really planned it gohan ability's out and just left it as it was so that he can continue his story. i mean it was obvious from the beginning that gohan wouldnt be the one to kill majin buu because the whole plot was about fusion, that and he prob wanted goku to be the hero of story again even tho HE ALREADY PASSED THE HERO TORCH TO GOHAN!!!!!!!
@HatakeDevon he wanted goten to be the new goku but fans wanted goku back. he wanted fusion to beat buu so he had goku not kill buu as ssj3 when he was dead becouse goku said "its not his place since im dead" but fans hated that so gotenks didint win so he did gohan but fans didint want that. so they had vegito. they didint so he did what he did
@thetopherhaslanded yea well said. I dont think mystic gohan has the same weakness as the "peak of the saiyan power" so if he powered up to mystic baby couldnt possess him and he would've shit on baby goten. so they just completely throw away whats left of gohan's "badass" and replace it with "gay"
@rkofan35 mystic training takes a total of 4 years. elder kai said during the training he cant which GT took care of because its like 5+ years ahead lol. and when gohan fought buu he barely started the training. and i believe not sure though that elder kai said gohan had a hidden strength which could surpass the mystic training when he shattered the Z sword.
@justiswhite ahh that makes alot of sense. im gonna have to go back and look at some episodes. and @lordoYYH255 i agree super saiyan looks better than him powering up and nothing changing. thank you guys
@SergeantPepper99 actually i think he did! ima look at some episodes but i think he did make an appearence. it was when he tried to get goku's tail to grow.
@Music101V2 when he tries to turn super saiyan, he goes 'ultimate' instead of ss- 'golden hair and green eyes' after he got power unlock from old kai.
DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!! DESTROY US ALL!!!!
98ShadowWolf 21 hours ago
2:54 HE WILL DESTROY ALL OF US NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
mickomoo 3 days ago
Guru : your hidden potential has been released.
Krillen : i dont feel any different
Guru: it wasn't much
krillen : so its
Guru : all down hill from here
Krillen : just like GT Gohan
Guru: i dont know what that is but it sounds disappointing
megawolfslayer 3 days ago
it is not full
SuperSonicXDico 4 days ago
even as a adult gohan
he still cant DDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODGE
gocash05884 4 days ago
Gohan was holding back
Supersaiyan2jesus 1 week ago
Baby: "The force of that attack was much too weak! He must be holding back!"
Me: "No...Gohan is really that weak now"
ToggleBottle 1 week ago
*Sees this video.*
Oh, cool. This is probably pretty badass.
*Watches it.*
Well, it is GT.., *Sighs*.
pokeloveriscool 1 week ago
Why didn't Goten have "Hidden Potential"? He is half Saiyan just like Gohan.
Drixops22 1 week ago
@Drixops22 because goten wasn't born with a tail
paulpokeking 4 days ago
@paulpokeking I suppose that makes sense but at the same time why didn't he have a tail?
Drixops22 4 days ago
@Drixops22 genetics. Maybe his human half was more dominant than his saiyan. So he didn't get the tail trait.
paulpokeking 4 days ago
@paulpokeking Still would be nice to see Goten and especially Trunks go beyond ssj 1 without fusing.
Drixops22 4 days ago
0:32 Gohan! Why didnt you DOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE????!!!
....somewhere piccolo is hitting his head against a wall.
HannahBanana443 1 week ago 3
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RsChances 2 weeks ago
how r they full grown yet babies can someone explain?
Dumbledorvsdementors 2 weeks ago
@Dumbledorvsdementors there not man, baby(the evil guy)is controlling them
EliteMaster64 2 weeks ago
wait y r they fighting? is one of them mind controlled or something?
Dumbledorvsdementors 2 weeks ago
@Kirby5413 Lol you're an idiot. SSJ4 is in gt, which is not by Akira. Mystic gohan is the strongest in DBZ, not DBGT. DBGT is just a bunch of over powered characters. And that was gohan's character, he was a peace loving person who never liked to fight. THAT'S why it was so ironic that he was the strongest, when everybody else busted their ass off, he had the natural talent but never wanted to fight. You're just a dumbass..and don't understand plot.
RsChances 2 weeks ago
gohan used useless SUPER EFFECTIVE
paulinoking123 2 weeks ago
@JohnnyD230 if you actually read the manga, you'd know that mystic gohan is strong than ss3. Akira himself said he was the STRONGEST non fused character.
RsChances 3 weeks ago
@RsChances Dude, FUCK THE MANGA! SSJ4 beats the living shit out of Mystic! Since Akira went along with the story of GT, guess what! He might as well have taken back that statement! He fucked himself over when he decided to continue the story of DB! So quit complaining! If you saw the post kid buu saga you would know that Gohan became a useless nerd from then and onward and he didn't give a shit!
Kirby5413 2 weeks ago
I hate that people say Gohan became weak this series but you all forget Gohan can take loads of damage before he actually wears down
101viva 3 weeks ago
@101viva he didnt killed anyone nor he did anything on gt remember akira toriyama wanted gohan to be the strongest fighter in the universe before ending dbz but the fans insisted to goku being the strongest, and gt wasnt even created by toriyama so it doesnt count
xirvin92 3 weeks ago
@xirvin92 ugh. Akira himself said that GT was canon. Who cares about the manga! I bet you prefer the original Japanese dub where everyone sounds like they have vaginas over the Funimation dub too. In the original Dragonball Goku was the main hero and killed villian all the way to the King Piccolo Saga! SO Akira went along with Toei and decided to make Goku what he was meant to be from the very beginning! The main and only hero! Mystic Gohan is nothing compared to SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta!
Kirby5413 2 weeks ago
@Kirby5413 As I said on another comment! Gohan became white and nerdy after Goku, Vegeta and Mr. Satan killed Kid Buu and from then on, he forgot how to go Mystic and only remembered how to use the basic SSJ transformations SSJ1 and SSJ2. Deal with it!
Kirby5413 2 weeks ago
@101viva The problem is that Gohan was practically established as the strongest non-fused character in Dragon Ball, and yet in GT he doesn't have his Ultimate powers and is apparently weaker than Vegeta. Plus, everyone except Goku becomes fodder throughout the series, except Vegeta near the end for the Gogeta fusion.
I don't know about "fan complaints" or whatever, but it seemed like the writers of GT just went along with the Goku > Vegeta > everyone hierarchy because they preferred it
capefeather 3 weeks ago
Goten: Gohan! You need to show me what a true saiyan warrior is capable of.
Gohan: *gives tape of himself during his fight with cell. Enjoy.
asianpolo 3 weeks ago 28
@asianpolo lolol dasa good one bro
NULLLIQUID 2 weeks ago
is gotenks ever in this series?
mexicanLOUBForce 1 month ago
@mexicanLOUBForce sadly no
supercoolpunk09 1 month ago
Gohan! DODGE!!!
xXxShawny123xXx 1 month ago 3
I can't believe GT Goten is this weak. He barely has the advantage here at his full power and Gohan isn't even a SSJ..and this is GT Gohan, probably weaker than he has ever been in his life since he came out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Random1567 1 month ago
@Random1567 um dude gohan cant go ssj anymore he's ulitimate evan though everyone one in gtg sucks cept goku oyvey......
darkslayer2016 1 month ago
@darkslayer2016 Gohan goes SSJ during this very fight, the video just didn't show it (as he doesn't get a chance to even fight Goten once he transforms).
Gohan is not mystic/ultimate in GT at all anymore. It's a plot hole or something left unexplained.
Random1567 1 month ago
@Random1567 and just look to the sidebar. Gohan is literally right there as a SSJ from GT.
Random1567 1 month ago
Hi I'm Gohan,
You may remember me from awesome moments like when I defeated cell in super sayian 2 or when my hidden power was released by old kia and I was fighting buu. Well I forgot all of that. So no I suck and useless.
YouJustReallySuck 1 month ago 21
OMG 0:24 that sound is now heard around the world, am I right? the strange sounds? LOL so saiyans must be powering up somewhere, LMAO
nicohoot2007 1 month ago
Mystic Gohan is the most powerful level that any non pure blooded saiyajin can achieve. Mystic Gohan I would place somewhere between SSJ3 and SSJ4. I would assume only Goku and Vegeta have the capabilities to go SSJ4 because of being full blooded. There is no way to know for certain though, because we've all seen Gohan go oozaru when he was a little kid. Whether or not he would have the capability to control it or not I do not know. I do know that Mystic Gohan is > SSJ3 though.
greekkid856 1 month ago
@SasukeWWE12 i haven't really kept up with gt, so i didn't really know how strong gohan was in this
JohnnyD230 1 month ago
@JAYKM1000 ultimate wasn't actually stronger than ss3.
JohnnyD230 1 month ago
@JohnnyD230 I heard when gohan went ultimate he became at same level of goku ssj3 but nowhere near stronger even though goten and trunks are still at ssj there stronger than ssj2
SasukeWWE12 1 month ago
this fight should've been longer
JohnnyD230 1 month ago
i never understood why gohan can't turn into a ss 3 if he is stronger than goku
formis1122 1 month ago
@formis1122 Because he went Ultimate, and once you go ultimate
its stronger that ssj3...but GT...fucked it all up...
JAYKM1000 1 month ago
@formis1122 because hes not a full saiyan
marzs123 1 month ago
@formis1122 because he assended so far beyond any level of super sayain that he became Mystic Gohan when he went to fight super buu.
TheEpictoadjourney 1 month ago
GT IS SHIIIIIITT!!! FUCK YOU GT!! TO ME GT IS NEARLY AT THE SAME LEVEL IN SHITNESS AS DRAGONBALL EVOLUTION
markidaman 1 month ago
@markidaman well than ur can go to HELL!!!!!! GT I BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!!! but dbz is better it goesDragon ball Z > DBGT>>Dragon ball>>>> Evolution
wassup395 1 month ago
@wassup395 GT...Better than Dragon Ball?! Dude, you must never have watched the original Dragon Ball, GT is shit compared to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Evolution shouldn't of even be talked about it...
kabluwi 1 month ago
@kabluwi i wish gt never happened, it just ruined the entire story and ending of dragonball and z
MrKillerrellik2008 1 month ago
it was never said tha old kai permanently ulocked gohan's potential
Saruko9d9 1 month ago
@Saruko9d9 And it was never explained about his true potential not being permanent.
gruntguy007 1 month ago
@gruntguy007 yes so we shall just have to presume they went with the former in this case
Saruko9d9 1 month ago
@Saruko9d9 But the fact that they never explained is messed up.
To me, making it not permanent was just a cheap way to get Goku as the main character again.
gruntguy007 1 month ago
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Thunder36x 1 month ago
lol gohan doesnt need glasses?
kroxas123 1 month ago
To be honest I think Baby was the most coolest villians. I liked how he changed and could do anything be anyone and have way more power than anyone else.
theinkventor 1 month ago
Isn't Gohan the strongest non-fusion character cannon wise? I mean, stronger than even SSJ4 Gogetta? What was the studio thinking making him lose this easily?
plijuh123 1 month ago
@plijuh123 just to clarify, Akira Toriyama said that Gohan is the strongest unfused character of Dragonball Z he's nowhere near as powerful as Vegito. If you're going by Dragonball Z rules he's the most powerful, if you count GT (which i don't) he's a shit tier fighter in comparison to others
lordoYYH255 1 month ago
@lordoYYH255 Vegitto is the strongest fused character because of the Potara thingy, but Gohan should be second, even higher than SSJ4 Gogetta.
plijuh123 1 month ago
@plijuh123 no dude, If your going to include GT then Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is the most powerful character of the whole Dragonball universe. What gave you the idea that he was stronger than Gogeta lol? In DBZ its Vegito > Gogeta (if you count movies) > Gohan
lordoYYH255 1 month ago
@lordoYYH255 You seem to be forgetting that Gohan, Trunks, and Goten didn't train after the defeat of Kid Buu, that's why he keeps getting his ass handed to him on a silver platter.
Necroverse19 1 month ago
@Necroverse19 I wasn't saying that my point was that Gohan would still be weaker than Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta
lordoYYH255 1 month ago
@lordoYYH255 Everybody should already know that since SS4 Gogeta is a fusion of two of DBZ's strongest characters.
Necroverse19 1 month ago
@Necroverse19 That other guy didn't know that, i was trying to explain that to him
lordoYYH255 1 month ago
GT is an abomination that should've never been created. Akira T. didn't create GT! For me and many others, the Dragon Ball story ended with Z.
undone14 1 month ago
Let me try....to clarify this in a simple way cuz, clearly 'after dbz was aired on tv' watchers still don't get deal about gohan. Alright here it is......in dragonball z....gohan was a fighter, young and strong ..scholar last, in GT...he is now a scholar, all grown -up and weak. He put down the fighting for books and lost his fighting skills...but he is still a half saiyan which grants him automatic self-defense. .....that's why.
romahnae 1 month ago
@romahnae actually what i find funny is gohan never got anyweaker during dbz but the simple fact that they never focused on an of the character but goku made him look weak he never went full power in dbgt and baby didnt know about ''ultimate gohan'' i really wish gt wouldve focused on goten and trunks they are cool..
karutobi 1 month ago
How GT should have ended: Frieza comes back to life for the millionth time and blows up earth, The End
sugarpsycho 1 month ago
My theory about the Gohan being able to go SS (which is in no way ever said or clarified during the show) is that in the time that between z and gt his lack of fighting and training basically made him weak like during the world tournament in z during the saiyaman saga, and thus un-doing the years of training and potential unlock that the elder kai gave him, so in order to reach his peak he is forced to transform once again because his base form is pathetic.
StoneBeezt2 2 months ago
@StoneBeezt2 gohan didnt go ultimate in this form he knew if he actually fought hed kill goten but if he didnt he would die
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi Well no, because Ultimate or Mystic Gohan isn't a form (I know you meant SS), but that's the point, he shouldn't be able to go Super Saiyan at all, and it isn't explained, hence why its a theory. In Z the elder kai explains that while training Gohan he saw the Super Saiyan transformation as something counter-productive, which actually comes into play in the form of Goku when he couldn't power up to SS3 during the fight with Kid Buu because the transformation is too taxing on his body.
StoneBeezt2 1 month ago
@StoneBeezt2 no ultimate gohan actually is a form it changes gohans looks slightly and his attitude elder kai said super saiyen is just a show biz way to power up but the mystic powers unlock his power he has dormant he has to find this power within himself when he goes super saiyen it breaks the link to his ultimate form because his genes have changed he cant do both at the same time because technicall hes not himself
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi When does it ever mention anything about his genes changing? He looks older because of the training itself aged Gohan making up for years of lost training and the confidence comes with that, we saw a glimpse of confident Gohan when he powered up to SS2. Anyway, Ultimate/Mystic Gohan was meant to be just Gohan, the elder kai gave Gohan the ability to retain his Super Saiyan strength without wasting the energy on the transformation itself. He didn't say it should be LIKE going SS
StoneBeezt2 1 month ago
@karutobi Continued - but to do that "Super Saiyan thing you always do", meaning to prove that the elders kai training worked, all Gohan needed to do was power up as if he was going SS,but the kai trained Gohan in a way that the energy wasting transformation wasn't needed, so why can he do it in GT? It's an obvious over-sight by the creators.
StoneBeezt2 1 month ago
@StoneBeezt2 its not an oversight gohan onl faught in ultimate form once against buu it was his strongest form against buu he wouldve been killed if he went super saiyan
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi This is the last thing I'm going to say because you're dense and I'm tired of repeating myself, he could not transform into a SS because the elder kai trained him so that he couldn't, the elder kai told him to transform and when he attempted to in episode 247 he couldn't transform, instead he had the strength of a SS in his basic form, hence Goku saying, "He's stronger then he ever was as a SS, but look at him, he's completely normal."
StoneBeezt2 1 month ago
@StoneBeezt2 actually you are the dense one here.. you keep changing words his exact words were to fire it up like going super saiyen =_= it was never stated by ANYONE but fans that gohan could not go super saiyan after learnig mystic people got this misconception because he cant go super saiyan in mystic form and since mystic is stronger its normally all he needs to do!
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi SIGH - I watched the episode, I even gave you which one it was, go watch it, I don't give a shit what you think, you were talking out your ass about his genes changing or something idiotic, I gave you examples and valid points and that's all I can do to try to dumb down my argument to you, and no it wasn't stated directly, but it was implied, when he powered up and was unable to transform that he couldn't transform...well you still think "Mystic" is a form, so no point even bothering.
StoneBeezt2 1 month ago
@StoneBeezt2 also elder kai said going mystic should feel LIKE going super saiyen
karutobi 1 month ago
Gohan was wayyyyyy better in dbz
135impulse 2 months ago
I can't see the difference >.>
DeathReaper309 2 months ago
There's no earings dipshits -.-
LordCharlieK777 2 months ago
@LuciferMuGen The only reason GT has less plotholes is because it only had 3 sagas
JDingDong8 2 months ago
God they cant stop killing rocks! D: r.i.p rocks <333
chuuksful 2 months ago
Why did he say that the attack was weak, and then say that Gohan has the kind of body to stand up to brutal attacks like that? Gt Logic.
dbzallknowing281 2 months ago
what a lame fight man, i miss the good old DBZ fights where planets would be destroyed and hand to hand combat lasted, not just punch someone into a mountain and then he's almost dead.
kakazu50 2 months ago
Jesus, People dont know anything about gt and dbz. Sure its short and its story is disliked for many reasons but it does not have MANY Plot holes like everyone says it does. If you want to play like that, DBZ Has over 20 plot holes, and gt has less than 7. And Akira Drew the concept of ssj4 and co wrote and over saw the project. And "Ultimate" Gohan is a transformation, No one ever said he couldnt transform ssj anymore, if you have any "plot holes" i'l tell you if your wrong or if they are holes
LuciferMuGen 2 months ago
Gohan's unlocked inner power isn't a transformation at all. Since he didn't need to transform anymore, he remains in his normal state while using his full power. Being that his full potential at the time was unlocked, he wasn't supposed to go super saiyan again unless he moved past that point, which is what seems to be implied here with the transformation being once again used.
DOHCEJ22E1 2 months ago
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Gohan's unlocked inner power isn't a transformation at all. Since he didn't need to transform anymore, he remains in his normal state while using his full power. Being that his full potential at the time was unlocked, he wasn't supposed to go super saiyan again unless he moved past that point, which is what seems to be implied here with the transformation being once again used.
DOHCEJ22E1 2 months ago
No Goten, Gohan wasn't holding back. That was his full power before Super Saiyan...
narutofire332 2 months ago
You know....Goten might have become a whimp....but considreing he could take out Cell with only being first Super Sayan and like with the age of where Goku barely defeated Piccolo...he's not too bad.
Still disappointing.
Dannyboyyay 2 months ago
Gohan should have just killed goten. then wait for goku to return and...well i dunno. apparently goku couldn't do instant transmission in his kid body. i was gonna say goku goes to new namek and use the dragonballs to revive goten.
yatsutora50 2 months ago
*Goten puts on dragon ball z kai*
Gohan: No Goten stop it you'll kill us all!!!!
Arceus90009 2 months ago
Haha baby said there is no way Gohan could be done with that weak attack then he says ha Gohan has a body that can withstand brutal attacks.
IamKingseth 2 months ago
@NaiJorJul did you watch the series??
LinkStunna 2 months ago
Arent goten and gohan brothers?
NaiJorJul 2 months ago
@NaiJorJul Yes Goten debuted in the Buu saga.
MISTofDAN 2 months ago
@NaiJorJul Yes Goten was controlled by baby so he was talking to baby not Goten.
IamKingseth 2 months ago
And thus the grand canyon was created.
HyruleGaming2 2 months ago
GT IS FUCKIN WACK. THE WRITERS R CLOWNS
EsdotStPeter 3 months ago
gotens new voice is krillen's voice
danieluzumaki14 3 months ago
Gohan's progression: weakling---->badass---->weakling---->badass---->weakling. It all comes full circle :)
MikeyIV 3 months ago
@MikeyIV so when does he become badass?
tumidekona 3 months ago
@tumidekona ehhh when he's ssj2 against cell and kinda badass when he fights super buu
MikeyIV 3 months ago
@MikeyIV no i ment since this is gt episode, when does he become baddass? thought you had a circle planed out?
tumidekona 3 months ago
@tumidekona I meant that he started as a pussy and he ends as a pussy.
MikeyIV 3 months ago
@MikeyIV oh saheen... but if gohan put in the effort in training as his father did then he would no doubt be the strongest of them all... none fused that is
tumidekona 3 months ago
@tumidekona he always gets into those time periods where he stops training and his power drops drastically.
brandeezy108 2 months ago
@brandeezy108 yh man they efed him up!
tumidekona 2 months ago
if u cnt fight ur bro ud bettr doooooooooooodddddddddddgggggggeeeeeeeee
xmenfan1998 3 months ago
GT made a fool out of goten and trunks
theicechinchilla 3 months ago
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omg kill your own brother idiot
Rayqauzay 3 months ago
esta bien en ingles y en latino DBZ y GT son las mejores doblajes para mi :D
The1milton 3 months ago
I like GT because it brough back the non follow story line plot holes that DB had DBZ was kinda readable
justiswhite 3 months ago
ssj2 and ascended ssj does not exist in gt :(
brandeezy108 3 months ago
Baby has no right calling Gohan a coward, he's not the one who has to use other peoples bodies
david2742 3 months ago
@rkofan35 no that was the ability to go mystic or ultimate
youfailcrap 3 months ago
@youfailcrap i know what its called, to my understanding he could no longer transform into a super saiyan. because the elder kai said "you know how to go super saiyan, just turn into one of those" and when he did he went mystic not SSJ not SSJ2
rkofan35 3 months ago
what episode is this
omegaendou 3 months ago
who is the reall baby that takes over evrebody plsss tell mY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TugiDBZ 3 months ago
omg gt made no sense, the baby saga could've ended at this fight, ssj2 gohan could've killed this goten easily and just use the dragon balls to bring him back, problem solved
MANdrew257 3 months ago
@MANdrew257 the dragon balls were already over used so i think it wouldnt work
darkfenderbender 3 months ago
Mystic Gohan is just another transformation for him
bloodgangssj1 3 months ago
@bloodgangssj1 it was never stated if gohan could go ssj any more the eldia kiao said it replaces them he said try go super saiyan when he did he just went elder kiaos unlocked potential his mystic form.
witch belives gohan can not go ssj any more becouse he dosent requier the power becouse this form is his apsolutie maximum meaning he cant improve it leaving goku to progress his ssj3 to its full power with out him losing any energy like he did against buu and possbile suppasing gohan
Hollowzanro 3 months ago
@Hollowzanro no that theory has a hole in it
here some reason at the very beginning it was stated by vegeta that saiyan are born a ability that allows them to get stronger by fighting (meaning every fight there in while or lose they get stronger) they also have a second ability that allows there power to increase if they heal from a near dead state wich was proven when vegeta got nearly killed by zarbon and was put into that chamber that healed him and made him stronger
HatakeDevon 3 months ago
@HatakeDevon no they dont get stronger by fighting vegeta never stated that anyone that trains long enought with a partner will get stronger. win or lose that isnt a saiyan trait. further more the near death recover heal. seemd to have stoped after frieza saga becouse looking at the beatens they all took during androids and cell and buu didint seem to change them much like it did in frieza saga
Hollowzanro 1 month ago
@Hollowzanro so the whole gohan cant gett stronger is contradicting his saiyan genes, my gues is that the author never really planned it gohan ability's out and just left it as it was so that he can continue his story. i mean it was obvious from the beginning that gohan wouldnt be the one to kill majin buu because the whole plot was about fusion, that and he prob wanted goku to be the hero of story again even tho HE ALREADY PASSED THE HERO TORCH TO GOHAN!!!!!!!
HatakeDevon 3 months ago
@HatakeDevon he wanted goten to be the new goku but fans wanted goku back. he wanted fusion to beat buu so he had goku not kill buu as ssj3 when he was dead becouse goku said "its not his place since im dead" but fans hated that so gotenks didint win so he did gohan but fans didint want that. so they had vegito. they didint so he did what he did
Hollowzanro 1 month ago
Why is Gohan able to go super saiyan? i thought elder supreme kai changed that
rkofan35 3 months ago 43
@rkofan35 just another gt plot hole :L
thetopherhaslanded 3 months ago in playlist DBZ 33
@thetopherhaslanded wrong at the end he lost mystic.
Forevermoonlighte 3 months ago
@Forevermoonlighte umm no he didnt? you cant just lose an ability.
thetopherhaslanded 3 months ago
@thetopherhaslanded yea well said. I dont think mystic gohan has the same weakness as the "peak of the saiyan power" so if he powered up to mystic baby couldnt possess him and he would've shit on baby goten. so they just completely throw away whats left of gohan's "badass" and replace it with "gay"
Cha0sSkills 2 months ago
@rkofan35 honestly super saiyan just looks better so i don't mind this change GT made but everything else sucks
lordoYYH255 3 months ago
@rkofan35 mystic training takes a total of 4 years. elder kai said during the training he cant which GT took care of because its like 5+ years ahead lol. and when gohan fought buu he barely started the training. and i believe not sure though that elder kai said gohan had a hidden strength which could surpass the mystic training when he shattered the Z sword.
justiswhite 3 months ago
@justiswhite ahh that makes alot of sense. im gonna have to go back and look at some episodes. and @lordoYYH255 i agree super saiyan looks better than him powering up and nothing changing. thank you guys
rkofan35 3 months ago
@rkofan35 because dbgt is just shit
steg140 3 months ago
@rkofan35 like a lot of Z things GT simply forgot about it.
Andros1921 3 months ago 2
@rkofan35 As was said, another GT plot hole, but he could still go Super Saiya, but it would destroy the planet if I'm correct.
kakorot84 3 months ago
@rkofan35 He Could Always Go Ssj But The Miystic Form Is Better
Cartoonuploder291 3 months ago
@rkofan35
Only thing I can think of is since the manga ended after Cell and there was no Buu saga, the writers of GT chose to ignore any of the Buu anime plot.
I don't think elder supreme kai made a single appearance in GT but there's no way to know.
SergeantPepper99 2 months ago
@SergeantPepper99 actually i think he did! ima look at some episodes but i think he did make an appearence. it was when he tried to get goku's tail to grow.
rkofan35 2 months ago
@SergeantPepper99 Goku could turn ssj3, so that blows your theory out the windows Id say.
someguy5152 2 months ago
@rkofan35 ...no...just no. all he did was awaken his hidden potential
NikoruShihoin 2 months ago
@rkofan35 gt logic
Draclord17 2 months ago
gt is very unlogic
Draclord17 2 months ago
@rkofan35 i think elder kai just made him really strong so he was as strong as super buu in his normal state
KerrDogga 2 months ago
@rkofan35 Gohan didn't want to go hard on Goten so he used his weak Super Sayian Power instead of his awesome Mystic power.
McnleyVideos 2 months ago
@rkofan35 The one who turn super saiyan is baby goten duh
trainerking75 2 months ago
@rkofan35 no he still can go super saiyan
Music101V2 2 months ago
@Music101V2 when he tries to turn super saiyan, he goes 'ultimate' instead of ss- 'golden hair and green eyes' after he got power unlock from old kai.
Ghuntu1 2 months ago
@rkofan35 you cant take super saiyan away he just boasted his power to the point were its not needed
graydamane 2 months ago
@rkofan35 its gt so anythign that was established in dbz is forgotten and turned into complete sht
soccer81894 2 months ago
@soccer81894 agreed.
romahnae 1 month ago
@rkofan35 cuz akira toriyama wanted to leave the series to tend to his family, rushed and FUCKED IT UP with this GT BULLSHIT!
romahnae 2 months ago
@romahnae umad :3
TheGamekid96 1 month ago
@TheGamekid96 nah that's the way i TALK!!!
romahnae 1 month ago
@romahnae I DONT LIKE YOUR TONE CADET
TheGamekid96 1 month ago
I was mad at how baby took over everybody
DantheManO36O 3 months ago
full fight huh
blackdragon1998rock 3 months ago
Baby Goten > Gohan
SlitMouthWoman 4 months ago
@SlitMouthWoman foool obviously gohan was holding back
Mrfukhaters 3 months ago
240p we meet again..
xTrickShoulders 4 months ago
@xTrickShoulders so i herd u liek 2 copy comments?
matthewcardinals 4 months ago
@xTrickShoulders ahhahahaha your so funny dude
BlowerOfJobs 4 months ago
2:08 "I gotta save goten"
lordvoldemort578 4 months ago
2:08 "I love his reaction while being brought down"
lordvoldemort578 4 months ago
is it after DB Z is DB GT right?
xRedFoo209x 4 months ago